Episode 41: The Women of the Bible with Shannon Bream

and I'm so excited for this week's show. My guest is someone who I'm a big fan of and I'm sure you've seen on TV Fox News Channel, Shannon Breen. Shannon has been a pillar at Fox News for years, and she currently works as an anchor in the network's chief legal correspondent. Shannon is also a New York Times bestselling author, number one in that slot multiple times over.

For her latest book, The Women of the Bible Speak The Wisdom of Sixteen Women and their Lessons for Today, it rose to the New York Times bestseller list number one over and over again. Such a good read. Today, I want to discuss Shannon's latest book and examine faith more broadly. I also asked her about the Supreme Court, reliant on her former legal career and years of reporting on the nation's highest court. Plus we discussed family and get a bit into Shannon's personal life. With that, I

want to welcome Shannon bringing to the show. Thank you so much for coming on Allow with Gianno Caldwell. You know it is my honor. I've been just so blown away watching you over the years and just um all the amazing things that you're doing, and I'm always cheering for you and so interesting to know. You were the first person I've ever met who worked at Fox News Channel.

I think it was the Hills Most Beautiful event and you you received the honor of that year and I was able to say hello, I'm I'm interested in doing television. I think I was doing TV at that point. I think it was more on CNN as a as a guest. But it was so nice of you to give me your your email address and correspond with me, and here we are now colleagues at the same network. I love it. And that's such a cheeseball Washington thing that we would be at a party for the Hills most people, but

I love it. I'm glad that that was an opportunity to meet you, if nothing else, exactly exactly so I want to get into something that I think Um has certainly woken people up to women in the Bible today. I think especially in our day and age with the culture that we see the cultural wars, and you see a lot of folks that have been moving towards darkness. If I'm being honest with you, they're not necessarily utilizing the Bible as a tool to get through those very

difficult times. In some cases, they're shunning the Bible in any religious teachings. And you came out with a bomb selling a book called Women of the Bible Speak, which New York Times best Selling Author, number one best selling author week after week, and that was earlier this year. And the book is titled The Women of the Bible Speak, The Wisdom of the Sixteen Women in Lessons for Today. So what made you decide to write this book? It's

just it's it's such an interesting term for it. Yeah, it it actually Fox came to me because you know, they were putting out their own book label book series, three different books, and they said, listen, we're thinking about doing something in this space with women and religion. We know you're very open about your faith. Is this something you'd be interested in and I was like, man, what an opportunity. I was so excited, and we dove in

and decided to put together these women in pairs. We kind of look at the parallels in their lives and the lessons we learned through them, and the more that I studied because I grew up in the church and in faith, and knowing these stories, I learned so so much about these women. And I was writing this during last year, which was probably the worst year for just about anybody that they can remember, with fear and anxiety and loss and pain and worry and financial trouble and

just such a stew of terrible things. And it really was such a blessing to me, this book of being inspired remembering these stories, reading the Bible in a deeper way, and thinking, you know, that's working through things all the time, whether we can see it or not. And I saw that in these women's stories, and I'm just amazed that it's really connected with people. And I love that that.

I think for some people, um, you know, the toughest times like the year of the pandemic and of social unrest and a and of open wounds and of things that we've got to have tough conversations. I think all of those things made a lot of people more open to talking about faith, into finding something bigger than ourselves that we can root in. And you know, the book they came to me, but it turned out to be such a blessing to me and writing it. Now, were

you surprise how popular and successful it's been? Oh? Absolutely. I mean, you know, when you write a book, you don't ever want to get expectations about what it's gonna do. And for this, because it was this message that's so faith based. You know, I just prayed over the book

when it was being written and getting ready. Um, you know, God just helped this to be a encouragement to people, help them to find you if they're looking for you, if they know you, may they be encouraged and just inspired by these women to see that you have purpose in everything and that people great and small. And you know in this book I joke about it, but it's true. We've got a queen, we've got a murderer, we've got a prostitute. I mean, all of these different people, some

women who made really bad decisions. But God redeemed it and he can use our messes. Uh, he can reach to us wherever we are. We don't have to be Queen Esther. We can be somebody who you know is no name, is just living our lives, is just trying to be faithful, and he can work through all different circumstances. So I just came at the book from such a spiritual place that I wasn't thinking about how it would do or trying to tell myself, don't look at those

worldly measures of this. So to see it do so well, Yeah, very surprising. Yeah. Absolutely. Let me ask you this for our listeners, especially for those who may not be familiar with the work, can you explain for those who may not even be familiar with the Bible in and of itself, can you really give us the crooks of the book book and why it was so so important today. I know you talked about the pandemic. I agree with that, but even beyond that, because the country is opening and up.

L A just opened up. I think it was yesterday, June June. It just opened up. So you're seeing all across the country and now people are kind of out of the pandemic in some respects, and now we need to really get those folks who might have said you know, I'm out of this now. I don't need to think about faith. I don't need to think about God. I don't need to think about the Bible because my life is going back to how it used to be. This book is going to be important for years to come.

Can you can you just dig right in and and talk to us, talk us through the book. Yeah. So, what I love about the book is that the more I looked at these stories, I thought, gosh, they're timeless, because these are women who deal with family squabbles and jealousy and fighting, and infertility and widowhood and longing for something and praying for years and hoping for something to

come true, chronic illnesses, financial ruin. I mean, these are all things that over time we're all going to experience in one way or another, or the people that we love or our families are gonna walk through these valleys. So I was just struck by the fact that these stories across time translate to today. I mean, there's still very problems and beyond um. But like I said, to see how God worked and sometimes these women we did years or decades a lifetime to see His promises come

true for them. I think we've all been in seasons of uncertainty or of waiting, or of struggle, whether it's you know, relational, financial, physical, spiritual, whatever it is. Those stories just give us encouragement. They challenge us, and they give us tools, I think, and point us in the right direction to say, you know, have faith, continue to seek God. He hears you, he hears your prayers. They don't have to be fancy. You don't have to be

a theologian or have gone to seminary. I mean sometimes it's the simplest things. There have been times in my life where I've been in a really dark place and all I could say was God, please help me, God, Please help me. I mean, not not anything fancier than that, or knowing every in and out of my faith or of doctrine, but just knowing that God is there and

he's listening. A man now, you know, I think, uh, one of the first woman of the Bible that everyone, uh it seemingly talks about is the story of Adam and Eve and the eating of the apple from the tree. Did you dig in there? You know what's so funny is we had to cull it down at some point because there were so many stories. Eve did not make the cuts, sadly, but maybe there'll be women of the

Bible speak too, and then we'll get even there. I mean, she is the mother of all humanity and all that we know, and God's earliest, you know, human creation, She and Adam. But we had this process of going through and saying, gosh, what do we include? What do we cut out? Because all of these stories are important and fascinating. We don't have to add anything to them, by the way, I mean, there's so many twists and turns and drama um with each of these stories that they're all kind

of you know, Hollywood movies in their own right. So we don't talk too much about Eve in in this um study. She's not one of our deep dive studies in this particular book. But we do include a lot of the Old Testament, a lot of the New Testament. And honestly, there were so many women after we did the nine chapters pairing them together that I said, listen, excuse me, eight chapters. I said, there are all these other women that we don't some of them we don't

even know their names, but their stories are important. They're included in the Bible, and they show the interaction with Christ and how he didn't judge, he accepted and loved them. He would and whatever their circumstances, you know, say to them, go and send no more. But he didn't ever be raped or belittle them. I mean he went to these women who were outcasts from society, who were not accepted by the religious elites or the elites of the day. And so he went to people where they were modest,

humble people that needed his help. And so we did a whole other chapter that we added on the end about Christ's interaction with another eight women. So it was really hard to cut. In the end, I ended up adding instead of cutting. But I think there are plenty more women there for hopefully more books down the line. We're talking to Fox News anchor Shannon Bring. We've got much more with her right after a quick break. You did your study and your research, and for some people

the Bible can be confusing to them. You talk about the distinctions between the Greek and the Hebrew and how it was transliterated. As an example at second Timothy one and seven. For God have not given us a speed of fear, but of power of love in the sour mind,

but yet it says you have to fear God. And you know, I know from my study that that that fear is reverence respect versus be afraid of How did you deal with those different translations to really pull out the true contextual meaning behind the words in the Bible? As you you did your study and research here. You know what helped me so much is that, UM, I had a basic familiarity with these stories and with these scriptures.

But I had a couple of world class theologians who actually have been to seminary and know the Greek and the he run all those things. A couple of folks who work at a First Baptist Dallas, and Pastor Jeffers is a Fox News contributor, UM, and our viewers and listeners will know him well. And I reached out to

these folks in his church. He connected me with them because I would have these really deep questions, like you said, trying to get to the meanings behind the words, or what were the customs of the day, what were women allowed to do not to do? Why was this woman's circumstance unusual or was it common? UM, so honestly, being able to lean on these super educated UM seminarians and to say to them, give me a fuller understanding here. Even though I knew these stories, they brought them to

life in such a different way for me. And we talked through different translations, and sometimes we would say, even the scholars don't agree on a particular point, so let's flash out what we know. Let's not add or speculate, but but let's say what experts have told us here about these women. And I think it leaves a lot

of room for additional study. You know, every chapter we end with study questions, and I love that because when I read a book, I love study questions that then, you know, give you the task of, you know, digging into the scriptures more praying that they will personally be

more understandable, more enlightened for you. Um. And I like when people do it as a group, to have a number of women who have said to me, we're doing this as a church Bible study, because I always feel like in conversation with other people studying the same scriptures, you're going to get different perspectives and different ideas. So I was very blessed to have those experts to lean on. And I hope it's just sort of a jumping off point for people that they'll be encouraged to do their

own study as well. Mmm. No, I love that. Now, out of all the women in the Bible you wrote about, from Queen Esther to Mary Magdalene, is there anyone you really identify with or found especially inspiring? You know, I've always loved this story about the woman, and she's in several gospels, but we don't ever know her name. Um when we meet her, she'd been suffering with an issue of bleeding, is what we're talking the woman with the issue Jesus. I love her story. It is so comforting

and inspiring. Um. I just she'd suffer for twelve years and we meet her. She has no money left, because we're told she spent everything she had seeing worse exactly what exactly? So think about how despondent she must have been at that point. She's she's penniless. Now she has no cure, she's only getting physically worse. But she hears about Jesus, this guy who's going around performing miracles, and

some people say as the son of God. And so she's like, I believe that this guy is who he says he is, and I am just gonna go touch the hem of his garment. That's going to be enough to heal me. So what I found out in writing the book and studying is that she would have probably been considered unclean in those days because of this illness and this bleeding, meaning shouldn't have been around crowds, not been in the temple, not been in the marketplace, I mean,

very isolated in her home. Probably is a lot of folks felt this last year over the pandemic um, you know, very lonely at times. But she goes and finds jesus Us and she does that. She touches the garment, the hem of his garment, and all the gospels tell us she was immediately healed. She knew it, and Jesus knew because he's got that something had happened. And he turns around and one of the gospel says, who touched me? And I almost can hear the disciples laughing, sort of

like the responses, everyone's touching you. You're in a crowd all the time. Everybody wants a piece of you right now. So he clearly knows who it is, and we're told she was. She fell down in front of him, trembling, and afraid to confess the whole thing. And he says to her, and all the accounts, the very first thing he says is daughter. He doesn't say, how dare you? You're unclean, you shouldn't even be in this crowd. How dare you touch me? This esteemed rabbi, the son of God,

he didn't see any of that. So he telegraphs his acceptance directly to her, but also to everybody who's watching, that she did the right thing. And he says to her, your faith made you whole, and he sends her on her way. And I think, what joy for not only this one woman, but for her to then be able to go tell her story all these pople who have known her for twelve years with this illness, every doctor that she's seen, everyone in her community, to say, oh,

my goodness, this person healed her. I mean, that was the purpose of a lot of the miracles, was to show that Christ was divine, and so um. I love that he was so kind to her and just telegraphed complete acceptance of her, even though what she did would have broken the norms of the day. Absolutely, And I really appreciate the part where it says, as she went

she was healed. So just to hear that compliment from Jesus to say, your faith has made you healed, because it was literally the touching of his garment following instruction that she believed to touch him. Her faith activated when she touched his role and I thought that was so so cool, and I think something that people can learn from today. And when you just believe God and you

just follow his instructions, you'll get what you're requesting. And the thing is, his timing may not be ours, his answer may not be ours, but he's listening and he is going to answer ours us and a lot of times it's better than anything we could have dreamed up. Um. I've seen that in my own life, and I saw that in so many of these stories of these women

that we include in the book. And you know, my hope is that people who maybe are intimidated by the Bible aren't people of faith, they'll still be inspired by these women and what they went through and to see their resilience and um, how they stood up with real courage in times of challenge and at the threat of

their own lives in some of these cases. Um. But the fact is that some of them prayed and waited for years and decades, like I said, to see the answers, and they came about in a different way than these women would have thought, but an even better way. And we can trust that God is going to be always working for our good. Absolutely. Now, you know, men are usually the ones that are referenced in the Bibles of the scripture, mostly outside of Mary the Mother of Jesus

or Eve as A as another example. And you think about the women of the Bible, is this something that men sometimes would think? Maybe I shouldn't get it. It's talking about the women of the Bibe. What what can I get from this? Have you had any experiences with that from either men or people from other faiths beyond jud Joe des Um and Christianity or atheists or you know, nonbelievers, and say, why would I want to read this book? This?

This won't apply to me? Right? And let me start with the men, because the thing is they'll have familiarity with a lot of these stories because in many of these stories you've heard before, but probably primarily from the male point of view, like Abraham and Sarah, the foundation of all the world's you know, most prominent, biggest faiths out there come through this family. But we've heard about Abraham a lot, and we do hear about Sarah. But in my book, I tell the story from Sarah's perspective.

So you're getting, um, just another angle on the same story you've probably heard or studied if you are a person of faith. I've had men say to me, I'm buying this from my daughter's we're going to read it together, or I bought it from my wife, um, and she's sharing it with me and now we're going through it together. So I don't think it's john or specific at all. And like I said, I do think even if you're not a person of faith, um, you know, I think

there's so much there. The principles are the same, about perseverance and about community and about finding strength in really difficult circumstances. So I've had a couple of Jewish people reach out to me to say, you know, I thought maybe this would only be from the perspective of the New Testament, because you're a Christian, you're very open about your faith. But to me, as a Christian, the Old Testament is the foundation of my faith. And so I've

had Jewish believers say to me. I love that you included our stories and that Queen Nest and others that are so important to us from our faith traditions, from the Old Testament, or at least half of your book. So I think there's something for everybody if you're just looking for something positive and encouraging. We need to pause here for a quick break, but we'll be back straightly. Let me ask you this question in your in your life, because you've had many examples of how your faith has

worked for you. You're clearly one of the most sought after individuals, and news media and the network has been promoting you. You've done a great job. You you're the chief legal correspondent if I'm correct, and I believe that you are. You work on Supreme Court issues regularly and consistently when the court is open. Have you noticed any shift in terms of legally of people's rights is in terms of their religious faiths being usurped and they have

to take cases to the Supreme Court. I'm sure that happens all the time, but do you see more of that occurring now in this day and age. Yeah, we certainly did a lot during the toughest lockdowns during the pandemic. There were several churches and you know, synagogues and different faiths that actually joined together to go to the Supreme Court and say, um, you know, why can people fly around in planes or go to Costco or go to liquor stores or pet stores, but they can't go to church.

And so I mean, we saw cases out of New York and California, all over the country that ended up at the Supreme Court with the justices basically saying, listen, there can be times of enormous distress and emergency in

our country, but you can't suspend the Constitution forever. And you can't treat churches differently than you do non religious organizations if you can say, you know, there was a case out of California where these churches are saying, listen, if you're gonna say strip clubs can be open during the pandemic, we are not going to close our doors. So you know, the Supreme Court came down in favor of a number of these religious groups saying you've got

to work out the accommodations. If casinos and other places are open, you have to find a way that you're not discriminating against worship places, houses, of faith UH in the same way. So we saw a lot of that during the pandemic. And we you know, there's a case pending that we're waiting right now for at the Supreme Court too, which sets up something that's a very modern conversation about how you balance religious faith and freedom in this country UM against the rights of lgbt Q and

their community and anti discrimination statutes. And in this one case deals with Catholic Charities groups and Piladelphia who who UM work as a foster care placement system for children in need, and UM, because they are a Catholic church based group, they don't actively place children with same sex couples.

So there's a lawsuit over that now pending UM and I know that for the case, and the record shows there's never been a same sex couple who's gone to Catholic Charities to try to be part of the foster program and been turned away. So the case is based on something that hasn't actually happened yet. But I think that's going to be one of those very tricky places where the Court's going to try to find this balance of respecting the rights of everyone involved. Can you find

that balance? UM, And we'll get that case in a number of days, and so, um, yeah, I think there are a lot of important conversations on that space that are happening in the legal world. Now. We've seen in recent years that each nominee, each new nominee to the Supreme Court, becomes a political circus. We saw that with Brett common all Amy Coney Barrett, which they tried to

really really derail her nomination as well as Brett. Why does the Supreme Court become such a politically expulsive, explosive point of contention. Is it healthy for the republic I think it's tricky because the justices themselves don't want to be viewed as partisan. They know that either Republican or a Democrat president nominated them, but they very much want

to be seen be seen as untethered from that. They have no obligations, they make no promises to any president who interviews them or considers them for nomination, and so you see them across the ideological spectrum. I think it's healthy to have Justices, all nine of them across the board, different ones now speaking up and saying, um, you know, Justice Prior, who's viewed as a part of the liberal wing, he comes from a Democratic nomination President Clinton to say,

this court is not political. We do not want to be viewed that way. We for the Chief Justice John Roberts, obviously a Republican nominee, say the same thing. We as the court or above that separate from that and we don't operate that way. They've, you know, many of them have said things that have indicated they're not happy about this talk of packing the court by Democrats and progressives

who are really pushing that. So when you have even Stephen Bryer coming out as a Democratic, democratically nominated nominee who votes primarily with the liberal wing, to say, stop talking about packing the court. You're undermining the institution and making it look political, where we make every effort to

not be political. And I think they genuinely do that, but I think because they're the highest court in the land, there's so much at stake for every seat that changes, and so right now they're just like we saw with Justice Ginsburg, we're seeing a number of people step up on the left and right these articles and give these interviews saying it's time for Justice Prior to go. And my experience has been that the more that happens with the Justice, the more likely they dig their heels in

and they don't want to leave. So it's really tricky. And you know, one of the things we watched for is I'm now coming to the end of the term for the Supreme Court, which ends the end of June. We always watch for those retirement announcements, and there are always rumors, but we haven't heard anything concrete from Justice Bryan, and I suspect the more of the left calls for

him to go, the longer he's going to stay. Yeah, unlikely. Now, what do you think about Mitch McConnell's latest statement saying that if Republicans take over the Senate and he becomes the majority leader again, he's not going to allow any Joe Biden nominees to get a hearing. And that's clearly if someone were to retire at this point. Yeah, he

says in election year four, if that happens. Now, he'll say to you that that is consistent with what he did with the open seat of Justice Scalia when there was an election coming and the Senate was in a different political party's hands than the White House. He says, what's consistent is to wait for the election and let the voters tell you who they want to fill that seat. So it's really wonky, is very nuanced, but he says that's been his consistent argument the whole time. And listen,

he and President Trump. There lasting legacy, I think will be the enormous number of federal judges they got seated to the bench during President Trump's year or his term that he absolutely so. Um, that is what Mitch McConnell is about. That's what President drump was about, was getting those seats filled. So listen, I think it's tricky Democrats are looking ahead to next year and knowing that you know, historically it's not a good year for the party whose

president holds the White House. So I think that the House is very much in play. I think the Senate less so. But again, um, you know, looking ahead too, who knows what the political landscape is gonna be. But Mitch McConnell says this statement he made this week is consistent with what he did. I wanna I want to close out our interview by asking a couple of questions about you beyond Fox News and your best selling book.

You've spoken before about your eye condition that you may you had to endure extremely dry eye and how painful it was for you. You described waking up in the middle of the night and feeling like someone was literally stabbing your eyes. For our listeners who may not know, what was that experience like and what lessons, if any, that you learned from it, it was clearly the darkest part of my life. I'm very open in my first book talking about that and how when you live with

chronic pain. And I'm sure a number of people listening to this know what that's like, or they have someone they love who knows what knows what's that's like. Every day you're questioning how do I get through this day? And what is the purpose? I mean, if my whole life is going to be nothing but trying to survive excruciating pain every day of my life, why should I go on living? And I was really asking myself those questions, and I went from doctor to doctor with this excruciating

I pain. Finally and I had gotten to a really dark place and just kind of had a breakdown with my husband, like I can't go on like this, I can't do this anymore. And when I you know, log onto message boards for people who are suffering the way that I am with the same eye conditions. People are talking about suicide, and that doesn't sound crazy to me. It sounds like it would be a relief in some ways.

And I knew in my head, even though I was exhausted and going through constant pain and emotionally exhausted, that that wasn't clear thinking. I knew that, and so leveling with my husband, having this conversation and deciding that I was going to start the hunt again for another doctor, and praying that God would lead me to somebody. Listen, if you're not gonna heal me, may not be your plan. Please just lead me to somebody that can get me through this. And the very next day I found the

doctor who finally diagnosed me. And I always embarrassed him when see him. I'm like, you know, you're an answer to prayer any sort of like he laughs a little bit uncomfortably, like, okay, thanks um, But he really is um. And what he diagnosed me with was not only the dry eye that I was struggling with. And I hate this because I know millions of people around the world struggle with this, but on top of that, I had a genetic condition to my corneas that is not curable.

It's manageable, but there is no cure for it. So that was a blow when he told me that. It was such a high to hear that he knew what I had finally, but you know, really difficult to hear that you're never going to be free of this. You're going to manage this the rest of your life. And with his help and God's grace, I have been able to get out of that chronic pain situation and found such relief and help were the time. I'm doing amazing

and I'm so grateful. So you ask about lessons, and that's such a great question because a couple of things made me way more empathetic to other people. Because I would think sometimes at the gym, when I'm on the treadmill or something and just can barely hang on, I'm like, I don't you know the person next to me has no idea what I'm struggling with. How do I know what they're struggling with. Maybe they are in depression, maybe they are have lost someone they love, maybe they're unemployed

and terrified. I mean, you don't know what people are going through. It doesn't have to be physical it can be mental and emotional. We're all struggling with those things of the last year. So it's made me much more empathetic um to other people's pain, which is a good place to be, to be humble and to care about

other people. But it also gave me great hope and deep in my faith because there came a point where after I found out that there was no cure for this, that I was in my car just sobbing, having left the doctor's office and saying, God, how can this be? You know, I feel like this guy is my answer to prayer. But what do you mean there's no cure? And as I'm thinking, I just can't do it, um, I felt him say to me, not out loud. I don't feel like I've ever heard God's voice out loud,

although I believe, you know, people can. For me, my experience was sort of feeling him say in my spirit, but it was very clear saying I will be with you. Those words, not I'm gonna take you out of this, or I'm gonna heal it, or it's all going to be rainbows and sunshine, but I'm going to be with you. And I think that's a truth that we can all claim whatever we're walking through that he promises us to be with us in the best and worst of it.

So I would never want to relive those years, but I learned a lot and I'm thankful for what I learned through them. Wow, thank you for sharing that story. And is so and thing you mentioned your your husband Sheldon, and I see you all's marriage. You will be married. I guess it will be thirty years in a few years from now, like maybe three years now. We just we celebrated our so five years from now. Yeah, yeah, And you know what we always say, we are non perfect,

but we're perfect for each other. And our faith is the foundation of what keeps us together. Like everyone has been married for longer than five minutes, you've had an argument, you've had ups and downs, real world struggles and real crises, um in your marriage. And so we don't ever want to act like we've got it totally together and um it's perfect to bliss for twenty five years, but we know that you can make it through tough things. And I am his number one fan and I think he's

mine too. And I think if you come from a place of where you're cheering for your spouse and you want the best for them, because listen, we're all born selfish beings. I think we come out of the womb that way. And marriage really makes you fight that you have to want the other person since, um, you know, benefit before your own. And if you're constantly trying to serve and care for each other, it's going to be a beautiful circle where you're taking care of each other.

And it feels like a really nice place to kind of have shelter in your own home against the rest of the world because you know you have someone who has your back and you have theirs, and that's and I appreciate that. Thank you for sharing that. And as someone who's certainly looking to get married at some point in the in the future, maybe even the near future, who knows the near future, Yeah, I would love that.

But for me, it's it's you've got to really beyond everything looking okay, if a person has, you know, all the things in which you desire and a mate. It's also this this instinct, this it factor that comes into play in my mind. And of course I've never been married, so I don't really really know. But my question to you is, is there do you believe that there's that one person or is it maybe one peron sin or the one person in a particular time, or is it just a one person God has created for you and

there can't be any others. Yeah, that's such a good question, and I've wrestled with that because I can't imagine my life with anyone other than Sheldon. And I see how perfectly his strengths fit together with my weaknesses, and I think, Gosh, God sent him to me, for sure. But I do believe we have free will and God has all kinds of wonderful people out there created. You know, some people it's a gift of singleness in marriage is not for them, but I think for a lot of us it is.

And I think, you know, God can work through all of our decisions, and hopefully we seek him and really, you know, try to get good counsel when you're looking at whether this is the one for you. So, I mean, I personally believe, because of the path of my life and because of what a good fit and a wonderful, amazing person shallness to me, I feel like he's my person.

But I don't want people later, But I don't I don't want people to feel like, oh gosh, there's only one person to miss him, I'm never getting married, or if i'm you know, miss him, I'm going to marry the wrong person. Like, I don't know that that's the case. I just think in my case, I'm really grateful for the one person God did send into my path that I'm married. But I think there are a lot of

amazing people out there. So I don't know if it's like, oh, if you don't get this one, then you've done everything wrong, you know. And I've been wrestling with that question myself, and I think to your point, and I love what you said because it's what I've I've believed as well. As you have free will and it can be something that's intended to be. But for that person, maybe they're not right there at that right moment, and they have the free will, let's say no or not move on

and God will place somebody else in your life. So I think that. I think that's amazing and I really appreciate you sharing that. And before we go, do you have any big projects coming up that the folks at home should know about? And where can they find you on social media and elsewhere? Well, you can find me at Shannon Bream on Facebook and Twitter and instaff. I drew the line at like TikTok, I'm like, I'm tool

for that. That is not true if I'm doing that. Um, Although I have an amazing assistant, Tessa, who is young and hip and knows how to work everything. Um, but I stick to those three pretty much. I'm pretty prolific on Twitter with news. Um. We I've got something out on Fox Nation now which is called Hero Dogs, which is a lot of fun. It's amazing stories about dogs that go into battle or their police dogs or you know, the dogs that went on the raid for Bin Laden.

I mean, we've got amazing stories where you see them with their handlers and the military men and women that they work with, or the police officers they work with, or the d e A Drug officers, and that's just kind of a feel good um story. Those are on

Fox Nation. They've just been released now this you know, the next couple of weeks are going to be crazy covering the Supreme Court, and I'm feeling it for Bret and Martha and a lot of other people the summer as it gets busy, and of course at midnight we're there for Fox News at nights on the East Coast nine o'clock Pacific and hopefully we'll see you there with us soon. I hope so too. Thank you, Shannon Brain for sharing with us today. We really appreciate your valuable

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