Episode 26: The best is yet to come.

what to expect. I've never had a platform like this before, but I was so honored that they chose me to give my voice two issues that I really care about that I'm very passionate about things that you wouldn't necessarily hear me say on the Fox News segment. I have the opportunity to do that here with you all week after week. So this week I want to do something very very special. I want to take you back to some of those very memorable moments that I've had with

numerous individuals. As you know, I've had people like Herschel Walker on. I've had Dr drew On, I've had Treta Sheet, I've had Janice Dean, I've had my pastor, Dr Bill Winston. I've had a Lord Trump. I've had Daniel Cameron, the Attorney General from content Ucky talking about the Brianna Taylor case, I've had some really really really great guests, and on

a number of occasions we've broke news. So this week I want to share with you some of these moments, and I want you to continue to listen and continue to take this ride with me, because without you, this show is absolutely nothing. Take a listen to the first clip with none other than herschel Walker, who was actually my first guest of the podcast outline with Giano Caldwell. So we're back and we got the great herschel Walker.

Here's somebody who's been school and so many of us on what the values of just traditional values which I call conservative values have done for you for your family, which got you to where you are today, which I think is such an inspiring story. What what is it like? What are you see in with the political landscape today? In let me first say this. You know people got upset when I spoke at to convince you and I said, uh, I didn't just get in politics because I wanted to

be a politician. ID just just said, oh man, I want to be in politics, or this is what's so interested to Donald Trump and just called herschel Walking and said, hersch, I want you to speak for me because you're my black friend. Well, I've been talking with President Trump for third or seven years, even when he was president, and I used to talk. Not one time has he ever asked herschel Walker to speak for him. But when I

started seeing all those lives Ben told about him. When I started seeing all that stuff, Ben said that I knew that wasn't true. But I knew it. But yet this man never asked his black friend to speak for him. I said, I wanted to speak. I don't even think he knew I was gonna even do that, And I want to speak. I want to tell the people what I know about this man. This man cares about his family. A matter of fact. In Night five, I remember Donald Trump and myself and a reporter front of New York

Times walking down the street. And I said to this reporter, as this man could be president of the United States of America in nineteen if I do. The reason, I said that is because he loved the United States South America. And I said, who should love in the United States of American more than your president of the United States South America. And I said, so, I'm confused what people think I'm gonna now be something different. I'm gonna tell you the truth. You don't have to like it, but

that's gonna be the truth. And then they brought me into politics, and I said, when you bring hershal walk into anything, you better be ready because what I'm gonna do now is educate myself. So I started to educate myself. But I was educating myself before I came into politics, because one of the things I did is I started reading about the Democratic Party. I started reading about the Democratic Party, and I go, what are they doing for

any black person? Not to be me? You know, like they kept me in slavery if they wanted to keep me there, But what are they doing? I said, I'm gonna be delivered out of slavery. About Jesus Christ, what are they doing for anyone? So I started, yeah, I'm already out of it. So I was like, so they're trying to put me back. So as I started educating myself and so looking at the different policies and so

looking at the different things. And I said, Hershel, what you know not that my eyes are open, But I said, you know all my life because I was black, And don't be honest, all my life because I was black. I thought I was democratic. I did. I thought, Oh no, no one ever told men. I just grew up because I heard people talk about it. You didn't know the neighborhood. You know, in my neighborhood. I'm in the country. So the next house next to me about five miles away.

It ain't like I can go next to a ring the doorbell. So I just heard that we were a Democrat. So you know, you always thought that. So I didn't know any better. Well, when I started educating myself, I was a wonder man. And why don't I learn who's best for the job, who is gonna benefit what I believe in. So as I was learning this, I said, while this part over here seemed to be the one that on the same track with what I believe in

and what I think this country should be. It wasn't just about herschel Walker, because it's not about me as an individual. It's about this country. Because when you have kids, it ain't about you any more. Was about your child. Because my father was an African American may my mom is an African American woman. My father educated his son to make the next step into making this country better. Because my father to had the great things first, walk ahead.

He worked his tail off and put me into position that now I could help my son to have something better than me. Well, if I vote Democrat, I can tell what he's hot. This is under truth. I've seen this now, I meant Washington, I've seen what they believe in. I've seen what they do. You see the chaos going on today. They don't even talk about one of the

worst things that happened to me. The reason I jumped up out of my seat and I got angry is when I saw a BLM sign held up by a young kid and he's burning a wholely Bible, burnard his flag and burning across And I said, no, no, no, no, no, that's not the country that I grew up in. That's not the aren't you I want to be in. That's not the country I want my son to grow up in. That's not the country I'm gonna fightful. So they gotta go.

So I started looking up all this BLM stuff and I was told a shock and I started looking at that, and they said, guys, you want to get hershelwork in politics. That's your fault. It's not my fault. Because I started educating my set, but educating myself. I started studying BLM, and then I started getting upset because I see all these companies giving all this money to this company that wanted to destroy the African American family, but yet they

haven't been held accountable. And I'm like, wait a minute, they're more racist about giving money to someone without knowing who they're giving the money to. But you saw, like you know, you don't what I'm talking about. You go to church, you go out on Friday night and you parted like a wild part of like the nineteen nine and nine and then all that. Yeah, and all I'm saying on sudden as you go to church and you pay your ties and on money and you go out

and do the same. Yeah, you think that because you're paying your ties, that all that is forgiven. But that being the hell of account That's what I wanted to ask you. Do you think that there's a true distinction between a group that's a clear organization that founders have

been training Marxism. We understand that against the nuclear family, all the things that as conservatives we would naturally oppose, not because of the politics of it per se, It's more of the ideology of we're pro family, were pro business, with pro all these good things and a lot of the things that they stand for. Clearly, if you're saying it's okay to Luton riot and its reparations, that's a problem. But then there's a group of folks that are young

who are saying we're against police brutality and racism. Do you see the clear distinction between the two, And to be honest, I'm telling no, I don't, and limited the reason why BLM and the organization don't have an office that I know. I've never seen them give us sent to colleges. I never seen them give a dime to build a school. I never seen him give a cent to black businesses. I never seen them give any money. Unless they have, they haven't shown the Herschel walker and

that's my fault. Build in Black lives matter. Well, to be honest with you, remember earlier I said that any pastor, our bishop, or any man of God is preaching separation, which is black lives matter. I can't go for that because in God's eyes, all lives matter. And what I mean by that is why are we separating people today? And one thing that's weird is Why do I have to be a colored man rather than a maze? Why do I have to be in an Africa American rather

than just an American? So why are we not saying this American? And you know, I go back to I was in a talk with a couple of players, you know, athletes called me today sometime some of them do still like men. So I was having one the other day. He said, uhrcial, uh, the president, what has he done for African American? As I started running that down for him, I spid a minute, wait a minute, and I stopped

running it down. I said, why are we worried about what the president has done for Black's He did not do that for black to get no votes. He did it because it was the right thing to do, because it was dumb by no one else. Remember when he did this, it wasn't about no election. He did because it was the right thing to do for African American and it just so happened that no one else in the past I did it. Yeah, let me ask you this question, because a lot of folks have said that

President Trump is a racist. Clearly you've gone out to the r n C and said that that's not true, you based on your personal relationship. But the question is do you think that people should be offended by some of the things you said, like when he said, excuse my language should hold countries or any of these other things, like people get offended by what he says. And I'm against PC culture all day. This show as a sworn enemy of the politically correct culture where you can't just

speak your mind and say things. And you know him to be, from your personal view, not a racist, and clearly he wasn't before he ran for president. Jesse Jackson gave him an award. But do you think that there's some things that he said that people can rightfully be offended and say, you know what, that was racist or that was wrong. Let me tell you what's so funny. This man is so far from being a racist than anyone. And I remember, I know racism just by listening to

some of the guys today. If they don't like this president, they don't like this president. So everything he does is wrong. He on on The Apprentice he said this here, It's like, what are you talking about? It's like, what is this man doing for this country? One of the most strongest thing I've seen you this guy just signed a peace treated There's something that I haven't been done. And you already said Obama did some peace treatise. I said he did. This guy is the the greatest guy to be president

for the United States for right now. You know, maybe four years after this he may not be I don't know. Someone may come up that may be better. But for right now, for the next four years, Donald Trump is a man that need to be president. I heard sentim to Harris called Biden a racist. I heard her in the debate said he wasn't prepared and fit to be president of the United States. So why is she now promoting and to be president of the United States is America?

You know. I also heard David won in a debate everyone in a debate almost saying he wasn't fit to be president of the United States, but not as supporting it the most powerful man in the country. You're supporting a guy that I heard you earlier on said he wasn't ready or prepared, and after four to seven years

he's shown what he is. We have to take a quick break, but when we come back, I want you to listen to this interview with Jannisteen, who lost her two in laws and a nursing home in New York City due to the government comos executive order stay right there. In the responses report, which was interesting to me to

hear from the governor, he was incredibly defensive. During a press conference, he dismissed his critics as politically motivated and said this exact quote, who cares whether thirty or died in the hospital, died in a nursing home. They died. How callous can you be to make a statement like that. That's him, That's that's him. Unfortunately, I've covered him for ten months now, and he he just has no empathy.

I actually think it's a personality defect. I know that sounds that might sound callous, but I do think that's part of his personality. He doesn't He isn't able to have any empathy at all for the families. If he had come out in the very beginning and said, I'm sorry for your loss. I made a mistake. I got bad information. I shouldn't have put those patients into nursing homes. I feel so bad. Um, we wouldn't be here today.

I would have accepted that. Had he said, you know, we're in the middle of a hundred year pandemic and no one saw this coming. And I am so sorry for your loss. Had he done that, but he's not capable of doing that, um. And so you know my responses. I always assumed he really really didn't care about our families, and now with that response, I'm sure of that. And tragically both your in laws dot in New York nursing

homes from the coronavirus last year. I was hoping you could take us back to that day and just describe what that tom was like for you and your husband on the personal level, if you're comfortable doing so, of course, I mean it's very difficult, but I will tell you I feel like it was his parents, my husband's parents making Indeed, that gave me the strength to continue, because there were many times where I just thought, I'm not going to win this fight. He's too powerful and he

has too many people protecting him. You know. I felt sometimes like I was this little aunt with the bolder going up the mountain, and they were great, wonderful people. Um. And you know, I feel for people like my husband and I, who for many months didn't know how to care for his parents properly. They were in a four story walk up in Brooklyn for you know, over fifty years.

And their health was failing them. And you know, my husband had aids that would go in to try to take care of them, but there were still trips to the e er and trips to the hospital. So there are many months of trying to come up with a way that we can take care of them and have twenty four hour care. And Sean's dad had dementia and he his health was failing him. His mom had trouble walking, but her mind was spry. I mean she you know, every day he talked to her, sometimes two or three

times a day. She was just this wonderful, wonderful woman. Um. But yeah, they both needed care. So we had to get his dad first in better shape to join his mom and assisted living facility which was close to us on Long Island, so that we could go visit them, bring the family, um, and that was the plan. So Mickey was in a nursing home for rehab to get him in better health to join his wife. D And coronavirus came in shortly after that and we were in quarantine. Um,

we weren't able to see them. We didn't even know his father was sick until a Saturday morning in late March when we got a call saying he wasn't feeling well and he had a fever, and and then three hours later we got a call saying he had died. So we had we had no idea he was ill. And I remember getting a phone call a week or two before he got sick saying that he was going to be moved to another floor to allow more to allow more UH people in, to allow more people to

come into the nursing home. And so that was a red flag for me, especially when I started to find out about the governor's mandate to put infected patients into nursing homes. So his dad, we lost his dad first, and then my husband had to tell his mom about his dad passing away. That was the hardest thing he

ever had to do. And she got sick and was transported to the hospital and she was diagnosed with COVID and she died shortly after being transported to the hospital, and her number didn't count because the governor didn't count those who got COVID in their elder care facilities but

died in the hospital. So that's what I've been fighting for That's what I have been vocal about is the two things the COVID positive patients in the nursing homes for forty six days because of the governor's executive order and the fact that he wasn't counting those that died in the hospital. And so the release of the a G report last week helped bring some of those answers. So again we see a governor who was looking to manipulate the situation in his favor. Meanwhile your family and

many other families and pretty much suffered the consequences. You know, this is this is such a tough interview because it's such a serious subject matter, and as one where you have an official who's in power, who's decision making, and still impacting the lives of thousands of people, millions actually in New York State. And it's just troubling that there's been no apology, there's been no confession. Um in fact, he's tried to say that he's pretty much been a

hero in a way. And I'm kind of confused about what was the initial reasoning for this executive order as you understand it, do you know what the rationale was to send COVID patients was at the idea to prevent hospitals from me and overcrowded with COVID patients. Uh, what was it? Do you know? We don't. Um, And that's one of the reasons why I think we have to

have an investigation. So, you know, the excuse is they didn't want to overwhelm the hospitals, that they had to put these COVID positive patients somewhere, and that they thought the nursing homes would have the you know, the proper facilities to do that, the proper equipment to do that. And as it turns out, they didn't, and they weren't allowed to test the patients coming in. They didn't want

to discriminate against the patients. It actually says in the order you you you don't you don't test these people. You know, you have to accept them. And the nursing home owner owners and the operators that I've spoken with always thought that they could not turn them away. Uh. And the governor likes to say, well, it was based on it was you know, the federal government, it was

the CDC and that and that's pretty much been proven wrong. Um. We had the comfort Ship, we had the JABBT Center, and we had other makeshift hospitals that taxpayers spent millions of dollars on to put patients in. And my question has always been why weren't they used for the overflow of COVID positive patients instead of putting them into nursing homes.

There was a Wall Street Journal report that was issued a couple of months ago that said that Cuomo was told by one of his hospital lobbyists, who's a good friend of his and who has given millions of dollars to his campaign, that he was the one who suggested to put the patients into nursing homes. So this is, you know, this is bigger than all of us, To be honest with you, UM, I really think that there is a money trail, there's corruption. Um. But you know,

I'm only one person, and you know I can't. I would love to be spend all of my time trying to find these answers. Um. But but that's you know, that's where I hope this opens up doors to further investigations, to find truth and to help those families feel like there is closure. We we never had a Waker funeral, and we're Catholic, we never had last rites. My husband never saw his parents at the He was called when

his mom was in the hospital. She died in the hospital and he was told she he could go see her when she had passed away in a room in a hospital. Jans, it's terrible, I know it is. It's terrible. Wow. Oh jeez, you're a good man, you know. Thank you. But I'm so sorry. I really am. I'm really so I know you are. And that means everything. I mean, you know, that's all we wanted. We just wanted an apology or something. We never we never got it, you know,

we never got it from him. For the administration, you know, they just continue to blame others and he still continues to do that. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation that I had with Janice Dean. There's a lot of you can tell. I was moved to tears listening to her retail the story of her in laws going into a nursing home and dying based on Governor Andrew Culmo's executive order on nursing homes. Thankfully, she's finally getting justice.

I want you to stay right there, because when I come back from break, I'll be talking to television personality doctor true about my personal life, something that was actually something I was very, very ashamed of for many many years, and he diagnosed me live on the podcast Stay right There, Don't Go Anywhere. I think about a scenario that took place in my life some years ago, and you you

know about this personally. So about seven years ago, almost eight years ago, I've been single, and I've been single because I had fell in love with a young lady

who was outstandingly beautiful. She seemingly was very into God and church, and spent a great deal of time together because I I want a woman that to believe her Christian and she was very hungry to improve herself, and we spent a great deal of time together and things just begin to feel very unsettled, and I couldn't figure out what was going on why it felt so unsettled. So I ended up getting onto her smartphone somehow and and being able to see the contents of it while

I was away on a business trip. And what I discovered is this woman was a secret escort and she was dealing with some of the most powerful people in the country. And as you can imagine, I was completely and totally heartbroken. I couldn't trust anyone. I couldn't trust

any woman. But in that case, I just couldn't figure out what to do until I went to counseling and things became better, because at one point it seemed like I was just kind of pushing all the attention away for me, you know, women who wanted to date me and women that I was actually I found attractive, but I was kind of pushing it away. And I began

to feel and think was I a commitment folde? And I come to the realization that I'm not a commitment fold but the very real possibility of me becoming one, I think was present. Well, what what happens again, This is sort of the typical pattern is that people with that I mean first starts of all, you you avoiding intimacy at that point with sort of a self preservation

movement as a reasonable thing. But what happens is the typical pattern is that people will sabotage real relationships or just not be interested in them and have lightning bolts for these people that they shouldn't be involved with, and then get re traumatized by them re traumatized and you you see that in relationships romantic and other relationships. The love line was, the love line was every call was,

you know, pointing out these patterns to people. So so the recommendation from you for people who have dealt with those very dramatic situations is to go get with the therapist and you can be here. Recommendation is to take yourself by the hand and see if you what it's like to get involved with somebody that you don't have an intense attraction for that you just have sort of a mild attraction for again, butterflies, not lightning bolts, And

see what that relationship feels like. And if you sabotage it or get bored with it, or pull away from it, you have your answer, because then that's that could have been a relationship that you are sabotaging and you can't tolerate. You have an intimacy disorder at that point, and that needs to be treated. It can be treated quite readily. Intimacy. But here's the thing you said, just a mild attraction to.

Aren't we you all looking for the best looking person and as the best qualities we can be attracted to, not necessarily I mean, and by the way, that means very different things to different people, and so you know, it's you'd be surprised as you do this work, what you're attracted to changes markedly. Can you tell us about one of these cases you experienced. It was a tough case and you you ended up getting the person on

the right track. Well, I mean the one that thing people can can watch is um we in the Sex Addiction show. It's funny that we're talking about. That show was just one of the shows we did. But we treated a porn star. Her name in the porn industry was Penny Flame we knew, or Jennifer Ketchum. And what you will see is and she came in. She had no intention of getting treatment. It turned out she had a dit. She had all kinds of stuff going on,

and she didn't really realize any of it. But we got through to her right away by calling her Jennifer.

Jenny no one had called. They've been calling her Penny for the last ten years, and this was a pseudo self that she was living in and we just cut through that and said no, I want to I want to use know Jennifer, And she started dropping some of the bullshit and you will see her go through the process of really sex addiction treatment at that point, but ultimately stayed with therapy for quite some time after we did the acute treatment, realized she had a cocaine and

cannabis problem also and got into recovery from that. And now she is a really talented social worker, married with a kid. Wow, social worker. Yeah, her therapist, she's a therapist, and she has a child that she has a stable relationship with, somebody she loves. And she had severe intimacy problems, severe and lots of similar trauma as to what you're describing. Lots of stuff with the dad with cocaine and the

mom abandoning the kids and the whole thing. Usual stuff are These are common stories that we have to get much more realistic about their impact. And how long did it take for her to get on track to to that degree? It was the years? Was it was years? I mean it was years, but it wasn't decades. I mean it en't of a decade. She was a social worker, you know, and she I'd say, i'd say five to seven years. She was well in hand. She was well

in hand. Wow. Okay, well switching gears because I know you you you have to get out of here shortly. The show wouldn't be complete without at least gazing the field of politics. What is your impression of the outcome of the election in the current state of things, I am my my My fundamental position when I just examine my feelings are that I'm I'm tired. I'm just so tired of the weird negativity and the Trump derangement syndrome. And I'm just so tired tired. Mr Trump makes me

tired to some of the things he played. You're not the only one, but so so. I'm happy to see things settled down. How they settle down. I almost don't have a I don't have an opinion. I'm just glad they're settling down. We've exposed some things about ourselves in the process of all this, and we did take a very good look at ourselves. We've been behaving like the

mobs during the French Revolution. There's a certain I'm gonna reread I just got out of affect them in the room where I'm gonna pull the book out right now, Notes from the Underground by Dostoevsky, because everyone has become like that main character in that, in that, in that, in that novel, And I'm wondering what that means. We have to start, you know, this is pertinent to this conversation. We have to become empathic. We have to stop acting

out envy. We we have to change because it's we're behaving like the mobs during the French Revolution and pulling out the guillotines for every little thing that it's ridiculous. And so we'll see and you think that trump the arrangement syndrome, that that that And I was going to ask you about that, but that's like a a real thing. For it's not a ds M five, you know, outgory,

but a boy. You sure see it everywhere. And because I don't have it, I don't have any I'm a very middle of the road moderate if if anything, I lean libertarian. But I see the craziness on both sides, and so it's really easy for me to call it out because I see it, I see it operating. It's like you're this is any these it's it's what we used to call neuroticism. We have to we have to we have to get much more critical in our thoughts.

We have to recognize envy where it's corrosive. We have to be more empathic and we have to be more thoughtful and not so hysterical. I mean, look, with the COVID thing is another part of that. We started talking about that. That's another that's another derangement syndrome that we have. And uh, it needs to change. We need to change.

We need to get ahold of ourselves and we need to you know, go back to the golden rule, go back to communities, go back to our family and relationships and all the good stuff you and I were talking about. You know, we need to function better in our relationships. And if we have trauma and it's been delivered to it. I've had trauma for my parents. You know, there's a lot of intergenerational trauma. You know, my family escaped the Ukrainian genocide and uh, and that stuff gets transmitted to you.

It just gets through to you and you have to be aware of it and you have to deal with it. And on a final note from Dr Drew, have more empathy and I appreciate that. And for folks who may be interested in knowing my mom is doing well. She's no longer on drugs and she now works in the in the health care field, caring for people who were in similar situations like her, but at the same time, the kind of people that I keeps me working every day.

These recoveries are miraculous, but you have to recover too. She was very sick when you were a child, and that illness not your mom, the illness had an impact on you. Well. I look forward to doing counseling sessions with you, doctor we end up writing together. As we've this, I'll pull the curtain back a little bit. We've talked a little bit about. Trust me, those are extremely emotion very therapeutic sessions when we really get deep into writing

the writing process. Listen, I'm all game, and I want to thank you so much for coming on out loud with Giano call aswell, and we certainly appreciate your very logical and research based opinion. No conspiracy theories here. So for folks who may want to listen to this, you know you've got folks. We got democrats that listen. In some left wing publications, they love to drum up some

some hate. So for those who are listening this fact base, I am conversation or something I said, here's my approach. If I stepped on a landline somewhere, please help me do a better job. I want to do better, and if if my mind needs to be changed about something, I want my mind to be changed. I don't want to sit in a silo and here an echo. I would love to grow and expand my view of things. So please, if anybody takes issue with any of these things I love, but but don't, don't use envy and

aggression as a way of feeding back. Just give me the feedback and that will change my mind. You know, we say to our kids, I can't hear you when you talk like that. It's hard to hear people when they're being aggressive and envious. Just just just tell me how I could do a better job, and I'm all for it, Doctor Drew, everyone is when we have the collapse.

All right, guys, I hope you learned something from that conversation I had with doctor Drew about my personal life, as one that I talked about in my book Taking for Granted. Now, it is my great honor to introduce my pastor, Dr Bill Winston of Living Where, a Christian

center in Forest Park, Illinois. He's someone who has helped me greatly throughout my life and one in which I had to share on the podcast, because he has so much wisdom about life and faith and God and certainly how to move to the next level in business or personal development. Well, I'm super super excited about having you on Dr Bill Winston. I've been a part of your ministry since two thousand and five. I remember coming into

the church and what that experien was like. And more importantly, I remember when I first saw you on television and had dynamic you were. And I must say that you've made an incredible impression upon my life. You've influenced a lot of my decisions, and you've been a mentor to me since two thousand and five without me even knowing you personally. But of course I know you personally now. So I want to thank you for joining us today, and I think it's going to be a blessing for

all to hear you. It is my privilege. Gian I thank you. I thank you so much. So for those listening who may not know much about you, let's start with your early life and your personal journey. You were born in Tuskegee, Alabama. What was it like growing up in Alabama during the age of um This is most of our parents were Tuskey, German and so the legacy of that was very present in the Tuskegee area. And so Tuskege itself small town, but but at a big legacy.

Had Tuskey German and also had the sixth the largest view hospital in the in the country. And so because of that segregation in that time, you have most of the physicians who African American came to do their internship and so forth at the VA Hospital in Tuskegee. And also you had the university, which look at the Washington founded in and that had the professors and so forth and so on. So you had these three professions there.

So when I look at my life growing up, I went to the school at elementary school, which is a lab school of the university, and we had to visit Carbon Museum once a year. We had French in the third grade, we had all of us had by the fourth grade, we had carpentry and we had all this. We had to have made a lamp and so forth, and so they were grooming us really for leadership. Just about everybody, myself and Lionel, Richie and wherever else grew

up with us, the universe. Everybody grew up We're going to save so all of us. We had something in us and that's a lot of times how people see themselves as the way other people see them. And so we all were taught really that we weren't missing anything. So I wasn't eager to integrate because we had everything and we were taught things that that Normally most of the people who finish elementary school with me went away

to boarding schools in the north and so forth. I had to say, uh, they're at Tuskegee High School because the dad said he didn't have that kind of money, and so I stayed there and so but growing up there was really experience. But what it did it worked on my esteem, which is I think you know eighty of what somebody can do and perform and how they can see themselves. So that was the foundation of it. I've finished undergraded Tuskegeeon ended up going to r OCC

and flying fighters and that was a background of that. Wow, and you talk a lot about your military service, and we we certainly honor and thank you for your service to this great country. I'm really intrigued to know, especially knowing the kind of man that you are, how is that experience being in the military at such an interesting time and fighting and flying fighter as a fireplan. A couple of things about that one is that it would it did it pull on a potential in me that

I never knew I had. And the word potential means hidden abilities. And what happens is people don't want to make a step because they don't think they will succeed or whatever have you, but not knowing of what has been placed in them. Every one of us has a gift. I don't care who you are, what country you are, You've got a gift. And a gift will make room for you. The Bible didn't say your education, would it say your gift? Would it will make room for you

and bring before great men, not down on education. But what I did is is I had to fly and compete. And that's where you go to pilot training. Where I went in uh San Antonio, Texas at Randolph Air Force Space. But when I got there, I had thirty and other students in the classes coming from universities, and we had to learn progressively that we could do things that we

never thought we could do. And he started that a little light airplane that had a propeller, and you progress right on up and to the supersonic jets and then you've got your assignment. And I ended up going to war and so forth and fawn and a lot of people don't know it, but I wrote the op ed on this that you can go and be in the military inside of war without hating. They think you have to hate to be on the other side, but you don't.

And um that it was a military experience that I had, and I have been trained there in leadership and leading a flight and so forth. Now that means you've got to be making decisions on the split second, and you just have to develop some leadership qualities that that I didn't even know I had in me. So I wrote that book on Spirit of Leadership. The name is Spirit of Leadership, that everybody's a leader first of all, and that all leadership is spiritual. So as I developed that,

it really taught me how to lead. So when I came out of the military and went to work for IDM, that I was in training for a year in each one of those class had four schools I had to go to, and three of those schools they didn't even know me, but they wanted me to be the president of the class. And so for now. I didn't choose this. I didn't. They come from all kinds of schools, either league, universities and so forth. But I think leadership qualities can

be detected. I think people can sent them and so forth. It's interesting how the Bible says the blind leaders of the blind, meaning that they have no vision. And I think one of the real qualities of it is vision. Book at the Washington had vision, George Washington Carver had fish and and because of it they could leave people and expand and so forth. And one so Tuskegee, the growing up there, the legacy of that, I think part of that book at the Washington, legacy of educating people

and so forth, and teaching. I think that's still on me right now. You know, you've mentioned something which I think, uh shows great parallels to where we are today when you talked about you being in the military and you you're fighting against the enemy, but yet still not hating someone. And now we're in an environment of our politics where it's you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're an inependent progressive, you're a libertarian, and everybody's fighting against each other. Ever,

everybody hating each other. You look at social media and you see nothing but hateful comments coming on all sides. Can you go into why you think that is? Well? I think that's part of the results of Adam and Eves fall in the garden. I think that they got into selfishness and and I think many times hate is rooted in fear and selfishness, and love is just the opposite.

It's a product of faith. And so I remember when I was in IBM, and I was now turning the corner and kind of doing well in my sales and computers, and my boss called me in. Boss's boss who happened to be African American. He was he was trained by in the chairman's office, and at that time he had two branch managers in the United States and and one without the West Coast, and one was in Chicago, which was my boss's boss. And he called me and they Billy,

why don't you come on in. Let's see what you do. How you doing on your accounts? So I came to start talking to him, and then I was talking to him about my accounts and and I said, now this account this CEO here, I think he's kind of an idiot. And he so forth. He said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, don't say that, I said, sir. He said, don't ever do that. That's what he said, call him a name like that. I said, well, you know we're behind closed doors. He said, no, No, If you call

him that long enough, you'll believe it. And if you believe it, you'll treat him like that. And IBM does not treat its customers like that. I never forgot that. You see, you can be on the opposite side and not hate, because hate takes you to a whole another level. And their fruit to hate, there's a fruit to actually

doing that to your neighbor. And the op ed I just read and sent over to you, it's on this thing called the man who went from his this good Samaritan, he went from his place, and next thing, you know, he fell into some need, and and three religious to religious people passed by him. And and then one man who was a Samaritan who was rejected, he came by, and and he bandaged up his wounds, so forth and so on. And Jesus said, well, who was neighbored to

this man? And and so I'm just saying that he was teaching me a lesson about how to treat people because of what drives hate is people feeling that they have been put down there for some reason, disdained some of the words. Kim has a word for it, but yeah, yeah, and and they get like that, and you who is it. Will Roger says he never looks out on a person or something like that, or book at the Washington says he never looks down on the man without picking him up,

and that whole thing. But I learned that, and I learned to treat my marketing reps like that when I got into management, and and learn to treat people like that. The next thing, you know him in the in the ministry. And you've got to look at people as in accordance to what God says they can be and not so much of how they're performing right now, because many times they don't come up to your professional standard. But you've got to teach them. And so that's that's my piece

that I learned. That was a heavy piece. Now I understand all of this is scripture because it says faith work it by love. Now I didn't I don't think my boss's boss went invested too much in the scriptures. But but the company taught those principles because it knew that every seat son there's a harvest to it, and that if you say that long enough, then the harvest of that will come forth in your actions towards that customer client. Next thing, you know, IBM will get the business,

so lose the business, and so forth like that. So it's that that's that's what I learned from that. But hatred, this thing is going around today and it's almost like almost like a plague. Wow. Just listening to those conversations that I had with those individuals, that just brought back memories and it got me even more excited about what's to come. So I want to thank you guys for listening to today's episode, and I want to encourage you to listen to next week's episode where I have a

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