Episode 23: America Is Burning, and Democrats Are Helping Antifa Light the Flame with Andy Ngo

a journalist and editor of the Post Millennial. Andy is also the author to newly release New York Times bestselling book titled Unmasked Inside Antifa's radical Plan to destroy Democracy. This must read book draws upon Andy's extensive research and experience covering Antifa on the front lines. He tells the story of Antifa's history and tactics as a violent extremist

movement right here in the United States. Today, I hear from someone who's been attacked and repeatedly threatened by Antifa extremists. We also discuss what happened last summer between Antifa and Black Lives Matter during the George Floyd protests, which turned into riots across the country. Let's go, Andy No. I am so honored to have you on outlued with Giano called well today, how are you doing? I'm okay, it's

a pleasure to be speaking with you. Thank you. I want to start with a simple question, and it's one I think a lot of Americans may not even be aware of what exactly Antifa is. Joe Biden called it an idea, not an organization. The former FBI director Christopher Ray described it as more of an ideology or a movement than an organization. How do you define Antifa? So it's not necessarily how I define it, it's actually how

they define themselves Antifa. It's also a movement made up of networks of groups and cells who followed this violence extremist ideology UM, which the eupheanistically call anti fascism. But it's anarchist communism with a revolutionary agenda. And so I think what can be confusing for the average layman in UM journalists as well who write about politics, is that because ANTIPA organized as essentially phantom cells, there's always a

sort of plausible deniability in their existence. And that's by intention UM. But you can look at some of the groups that are organized as formal organizations like Rose City Antifa, which I write about extensively in my book because they're one of the largest selves in the United States, based in Portland, where I do most of my reporting and where I'm from, and you'll see that there. They have a formal membership process that involves a six month vetting

process where recruits get radicalized. Over time, they get introduced to training on how to endure and made their opponents, and there's also training on how to take up arms. So it's not we're not just dealing with people who are quote anti fascists, were really dealing with an ideology that is calling for the overthrow of the United States, and its adherents carry out outs of terrorism to further

that goal, to get closer to that goal. Do you think, and we know this is a very extreme movement, would you consider them domestic terrorists at all? I know President Trump was discussing the idea of designating them a domestic terrorist group. It feels to me, and when I read the reporting, when I see what they do, if this is a group of domestic terrorists, and I would like to know, especially since you spent so much time on the ground covering them, would you agree with that assessment

that they should be designated as a domestic terrorist group. Yes, and it's not just me. I mean, people can dismiss my opinions on it, but they should look at the internal memos that were published by political of the Department of Homeland Security, and they describe the actions of Antifa groups as um domestic terrorists activities. That's significant, and very

few people are aware of it. Um. Regarding this label though, I lament that it's being thrown around just as sort of um uh, like a political volleyball, like you hear it use a lot from both the left and right now just to describe any individual group that they disagree with,

and it's making it lose a lot of meaning. You're seeing, for example, the label terrorism applied to Trump supporters or people who peacefully came to listen to Trump speak on the sixth of January and implying that scene label too, ah,

any anybody who just expressed support for him at some point. Um. But I do consider Antifa a domestic terrorists organization because as I write and en masked with some of these primary documents, you can see that their training, it doesn't just radicalize people until having a ideological base, a theological ideological basis for UM their acts of violence. They also

teach their followers how to do it. So you can look at the riots that they were involved in Portland was particularly egregious because they the riots happened for more than a hundred and twenty days, night after night after night. UH, and they were setting fires to buildings where people onside police were inside. UM. They tried to barricade police stations with quick drawing cement and then set the fire, set

the building on fire. UM. As I'm speaking to you now, last than twenty four hours ago in Portland, Oregon, the anti fur gathered outside the police union building and try to tear down the front door to get inside. So UM they bring guns, they bring nines, they bring I E. D S. They give out weapons and explosives to people

to use at the rides so as well. So it's a very sophisticated UM act of organized maths violence that is meant to destabilize UM the state, and they have particular have had quite success, I would say, in Portland, in Seattle, and that at times they've been able to actually claim territory as sovereign, if you will, So you can look at the chads. That was in Seattle last year, which scancer Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. They took over six city blocks of an area in nearby downtown and they

actually set up a hard border with checkpoints. It was guarded by their so called security. These people had rifles and other weapons that they were brandishing. You had to go do the checkpoints to go in, So if you happen to live in that area, you were essentially one of the hostages. And that was allowed to go on for several weeks and it devolved until many shootings and several murders. In December, anton selling was established in Portland

for a week UM. As recently as a couple of weeks ago, the ANTIFA and Washington State UM took over a Red Lion hotel and created a hostage situation involving some forty occupied rooms. And according to the hotel staff, the Antifa we're bringing in hatchets and batons and nines and other weapons. So we're having these these insurrectionary activities being done in the open, but they're not being covered as such in by i mean stream media or the

legacy press UM, so people just unaware of it. I think if you're going to if people are going to describe what happened on the sixth of January as an up as an insurrection or uprising, whatever you want to call it, you should apply that same label then to people who do similar things and worse, such as what the antiphone the BLM did and do. Then let me ask you this, because I've seen some reporting that at least suggested that there were white supremacists within the Antifa movement.

Have you seen any evidence of that antiphone? Whenever they are involved in really violent activities against either property or people, um, some of them go out and try to say it's a false flag. I haven't found evidence for that that they are actually people, evidence for the claim that people on the far right are pretending to be Antifa to

blame criminal activities on them. When I was beaten by Antifa and twenty nineteen the game Your Brain Homorrhage, the anti fun have quite negative press coverage for that because they attacked a person of the press in downtown and then they started this rumor that these were a secret right wingers who were beating me up to frame Anti fat So antifil, always trying to deny their involving in

criminal activities. In regards to are they're like um, Antifa frequently get accused of being racist, even though they claim to be anti racist, because the type of um hatred that they show for people of color who are conservative or Trump supporters is just as vicious and violent as for anybody else. So important, and last year, for example, there was a black conservative activist, mean Andrew Duncomm who went to Portland and he got stabbed by to fund number.

And so they do violence against black people, against people of color, against gay minorities of color such as myself. UM, as long as if you have the wrong world view, or if they think you have an opposing view to them, they will in violence against you and even potentially try to kill you. So quite likely that there are white supremacists that are members of the antifa movement, and certainly they've been embraced there from what it appears to be. I want to turn to the Democratic Party and the

refusal of many Democrats even to acknowledge Antifa exist. But first here's a quick word from our sponsor. Now I want to ask you this question, do they care who leadership is? They obviously were anti Trump and appearing to be very providing people or is it just about chaos. It's just about chaos. This perception that these are bidens important as is wrong. I hear that a lot on the right, and I know people want to use it to try to near Biden because his administration hasn't um

done much even in condemning Antifa. But if you listen to an antifate actually say themselves, they don't recognize any American government. This is the anarchist side of their anaxis communist ideology. So we've had now more than a dozen riots in the Pacific Northwest since it was known that Biden had one, and some people were puzzled at the time, They're like, why are Antifa rioting and Biden want why

did they smash up the DNC headquarters in Portland. They do that because this so called resistance that they put up against Trump was always pretextual. It was always an excuse for the extremism. If it's not Trump, it's something else. Now that Trump's outther way, it's Biden. If it's not Biden, it's America. It's not America, it's a capitalism. They always have something that they have to um be angry about

and to respond violently to. So on Inauguration Day they helped banner that said we don't want Biden, we want revenge, and there was an image of a clash Nakov rifle on that banner, and then they launched to the headquarters of the organ Democrat Party and destroyed it. And that's the second time that they had talkeeted one of the Democrat buildings in Portland. So I think Democrats are thinking that they can control anti filing use them as sort

of like helpful indirect foot soldiers. They're realizing that this is gonna this is coming back to bite them. This is not something that you can control. Portland's Mayor Ted Wheeler, who's caught all Antifa for many years now. He's actually had a flee from his home because they Antifa rioting outside his home and set the building on fire at one point um last last year, and he's been assaulted

in public. So um, I mean, it's it's really too late, I think for Democrats to wake up because they've allowed, they've given anti for years to develop more sophistical, sophisticated ways of organizing, better streams of funding. So um, I mean, what makes me angry is that you know, somebody like the mayor of Seattle can retire because she's not she's

not running again for office. Um to Wheeler can exit office and have These people can have a good life, but the consequences of their act, their poor decision making in the cities where they were elected, is going to be felt for years down the line. And you can see when you go to these cities in the pacistic Northwest that some parts of the city are they look

like slums. So you see antifas a direct link to the Democratic Party, almost as if it's a gang that's affiliated with the Democratic Party, but of course much more than again as you would see like say the Gangster Disciples in Chicago or any of those localized gangs. This is a real legitimate movement with a national organization that the Democratic Party has supported in some way, shape or form. Is that right? No, I do not see them as

directly linked to the Democrats Party. What I see them as is a violent extremist, violent extremists, buggish, ah paramilitary like group that the Democrats cynically used against their opponents on the right, Trump supporters and Trump themselves, And it was always a tenuous sort of unofficial partnership. UM. But as we are witnessing now in some places, anti Flip cannot be controlled. Their goal is not to be subjected

to a Democrat run UH government. They want to seek the destruction of the republics, so they don't recognize any party, any politician. As you mentioned, you left Portland's for London because of increasing threats of violence against you buy a TIFA extremists. Are you still in London now and can you tell us about how hard it was for you to leave the country because of these threats. Ever since I was beaten in the summer of twenty nineteen, I've

been subject to increasing death threats. I mean really like threats are like people posting my address and saying they'll shoot me, they'll set me on fire, and how people show up at my family's home, um, just to make me feel terrorized. Seven and all of it was reported to Portland police UH and nothing was ever done. Ever, nobody was ever arrested, for example, for the beating against me when I had the brain bleed, even though that was partially caught on video and it was actually like

right in front of a police station. UM. None of the people who have sent me threats and showing about my home have been held accountable. So there's just a breakdown in the rule of law in Portland's Um. I mean it's not just me who's being affected, like the city itself. People asked like, how did the riots go on for months on end, NonStop every night, And it's because the district attorney, um were dropping charges for the rioters.

The police weren't arresting people, they were staying away. So you just have this whole breakdown in water in public safety in a major American city in the Pacific Northwest. And I was really on borrowed time there. I stayed there because I needed to be on the ground as I was writing and researching for this book. But I put myself at great risk and I have been um there they looked from me at their protests and riots. UM. So it's uh, it's been I didn't want to leave.

I mean, this is Portland, is my my hometown. But um, and the thing is like, it's not just Portlands as well. If I go to any other urban area, any city. Uh, the ANTIFI well connected to their comrades in different places and they just they just made it clear that they were hunting me down. Um, So for the time being, I've had to leave and the police there just wouldn't protect you. They wouldn't offer you any protection. After you gave suspects names and other information. Uh, they still wouldn't

protect you. All they did was take a report. But that's just procedure. And then when I email and call and I was like, so did you interview this person who sent the strut to me? Um? I would always there would always be some type of excuse. Sometimes I'm told it's free speech. Apparently it's free speech to say I'm going to put a bullet in Andy. I don't know that's these other types of threats that I'm getting and it's getting treated as sort of whatever. But I mean,

I guess I shouldn't be surprised given that. I mean, the Portland police had sort of stood back and have watched, or rather I should say, they're the people who are hiring the command chains have allowed police to stand by and watch while citizens get beaten on the streets of downtown. And what's happened for several years now. Now you mentioned the attack that you face, which happened in June and you had to be hospitalized with a serious hand injury.

Can you recount that experience for us? Yes. So Ever, since sum political street violence involving ANTIFO has become really routine in Portland's. Portland's is the epicenter of American anty

for organizing in and so UM. For several years I have been documenting in reports and videos and photos what was happening on the streets, and the ANTIFO became inflamed and irritated that I was writing critically about them, describing what they were doing as UM violence, wanted violence against people and property, that it had nothing to do with so called ancy fascism, that these are people who were operating essentially as a street game to intimidate the public,

and so eventually it became a target. By nineteen they were routinely singling me out these public protests and riots that they were doing. Uh. And then in the summer nineteen UM, I was there recording on my OPRAH, I had my mobile phone. I was just recording, That's all I was doing, and they suddenly punched me repeatedly and kicked me. It was the punches that likely give me the brain bleed. UM there was a whole mob of them, and they were all masked, dressed in black. Um. They

stole my go pro, which is my evidence. Um. And then when I was trying to leave, they then threw all these drinks and liquids in my eyes and my face. So the videos and photos from that time you'll see that I'm just dredged in all this liquid and white stuff. I don't know what it is. That is an insane experience. And for people who I'm wondering, you can find that video online. It's just I mean it. It made national news that I remember it was just playing it on

a loop on how violent these people really are. And it's just unbelievable that they the law enforcement there would not offer you protection considering all the things that you face,

the violent threats in the actual violence. And this leads me to your recent ouped in the New York Post titled Biden won't stop them and neither wild Cops into Portland has burned down, paying a picture for our listeners about what's happening in Portland these days and what has been like over the last several months, even a couple of years. How badly is the TIFA terrorized in Portland.

And you mentioned a little bit earlier about something that happened over the last twenty four hours, But is this a continuing engagement by Antifa terrorizing the city. It's treated as just sort of normal now. And that was my fear that as the riots went on and on week after week, turning two months, not the citizens would just end up sort of just a something that there are certain parts of the city at night you just don't go to because that's where I'm kind of shut down

the road. The violence has has never stopped in Portland. I mean, at its peak, it was happening every night for more than four months. Then um in around October November it started to slow down just because of whether it got really cold and wet. A few of people were showing out, showing up, but the violence has still been weekly. And like I said, it was just yesterday that they tried to break inside the Portland Police Union building, so um on on. On Inauguration Day, they mass rioted.

After Election Day, they just destroyed the front of a church and numerous businesses. So Antifa they're trying to they feel they have a once in a lifetime opportunity to push Portland's or any area any city passed a point of no return, like they really want to see the city economically destroyed and never able to recover because it's in these sort of devastated areas that they then claim to have legitimacy as a source of power. Um and

I'm I'm scared about the future of Portland. There was a really great piece that was publishing Forbes recently that wonders if Portland will be able to recover. I mean, we were already dealing with the economic devastation from COVID policies last year, and then just as that was beginning to mildly let up at the end of May, then these riots broke out and they have continued, and they continued in some of the most important economic areas of

the city in downtown. So Portland does the local first world slum in these areas that are at the heart of the city, um antifore continuing to smash out storefronts. They do that on a regular now. Police just don't have the resources or the will to confront them, and neither does anybody who's elected the city council. It's not just Portland that's dealing without Seattle is as well. Um, these are things that Antifa also trying to replicate in

other places as well. So like people on the east coast of the U. S. Shouldn't be sort of just thinking, well, I mean the Pacific Northwest is far away, it's not a big deal. I mean Antifa, for example, after their violence in Minneapolis last year where they torched down neighborhoods and people were died as a result of the riots. Um, they actually published an after action report on what worked well,

what didn't, what they could do better. It was a huge win for them that they were able to take over a police station in Minneapolis and to actually burn it down. That's something they were trying to repeat Importland when they try to burn down the federal courthouse and they were bringing explosives and so, um, yeah, these are

we have. We have terrorists operating in the open, and the response from uh, the entire liberal media class and liberal politicians is to call these people anti racist, peaceful process and nothing peaceful about that. And you just mentioned something that I want to pick back up on, and it was quite interesting. You said, basically the folks on the East and West coast shouldn't get too comfortable, and it brings me to something you wrote in your wrote

in your New York Post, OpEd, and I'm quoting you. Now, some believe in TIFA would fade away after Joe Biden's electorial win. They're wrong, with the convenient excuse of resisting Donald Trump's fascist regime no longer applicable. Antifa are just getting started now. If they had great success in Portland, which they did, and they continue to as you mentioned, terrorists operating in the open. Can you elaborate on that point and what does it mean nationally? What what can

we expect to see from that point of view. But we can expect likely is that any time in this coming year or in the near future, that there is a police involved shooting and there's somehow selective video that is out of context, that that will be used to make the public rage and to take to the streets.

And Antifa is most effective and most destructive when they're able to embrow themselves in larger left wing protests, as they did last year, Because the number of actual militant anta on the streets is relatively small, um We're talking about in the hundreds. Look, depending on the city, and when they were carrying out mass violence. There were thousands and thousands of people involved, so they're very good at

manipulating and turning um inflamed angry protesters into rioters. So we just needed I mean, last years the spot was the death of George Floyd. All that needs to happen if as some other instance like that should be captured on camera, and in a country a million people, it's likely that there will be some video that will make people outrage. And that's what Antifa used to get people out.

They then public size their tactics that they've been successful in in sort of these blueprints that are then shared with their other comrades in different cities so that they can replicate them in different ways. So for example, when riots were breaking out in Kenosha last summer, there were Antifa from Portland in Seattle who drove all the way

out there to try to help their comrades there. So they are they move around as well to different states, and they are creating and constantly refining and improving there um riot methods so that it can be than just put into action at any other place. You know, you mentioned something and I just wanted to get some clarification on a point that you just made in terms of

the selectively edited videos. Did you believe that George floyd tape was selectively edited or you just referring to things that have happened in past time that was selectively edited in people tick to the streets. I'm not referring specifically to George Floyd's video, and just mean other videos, other narratives that come out from videos, And by edited, I don't mean necessarily that their doctored. I just mean that it's a snippet of something that could have taken place

over hours. Let's say, so for example, people have it burnt in their minds the image of the the officer that had his knee on George Floyd's neck that was part of a much longer interaction. And then on top of that, people neglect to mention the results of the um autopsy from the medical uh, the County Medical Examiner, which found that there was a fatal level authentinel in

George Floyd's body, which is relevant for this. So you know, using terms like this is a murder, this is a murder that was caught on video, that he was murdered by cops like those type of words for like murders determining a court of law, and that officer has not been found guilty. The investigation is still ongoing. There's actually some evidence to suggests that Floyd may have died of

other reasons. So, Mike, I mean, part of why I wrote a mass is just because the UM journalists have been so dear and their duties to inform the public accurately immeasurably about UM these very sensitive topics. Instead, everything they do is just about pouring fuel on fires and exploiting sensibilities over over race and racial justice. So in many ways they are doing the bidding of Antifa by

sensationalizing these instances of use of force by police. You know, it's interesting, as we were talking about the George Floyd case, there was some other folks, some some political commentators that recently mentioned the fitting all. And I recognize that fitting all may uh uh decrease your ability rather to really breathe. So I get that. But the officer's knee on his neck wasn't proper police procedure. Therefore he certainly bear some

liability to the death of George Floyd. And I think when we talk about these things you can talk about the drugs that was in this system, absolutely fine, that's okay, But are we looking to talk about it in the sense of this miss what happened and what was wrong? And a lot of African Americans truly feel trauma from

police interaction because of the history of this country. We're talking about um after the Civil uh, the Civil War, when a lot of these um um Confederate soldiers became police officers and they begin to inflict the same pain on African Americans as they were as Confederate soldiers. So a lot of this is very real trauma that a lot of people don't necessarily understand because they've never lived a day in a black person shoes. So I hear

everything you're saying. I get it. I think it's so important to provide that contactual, contextual UM element to these kind of conversations because people often forget how real fear is for people and how they can respond in different ways. But moving beyond beyond that UM for a moment, I know you've got a best selling book out New York Times bestseller which people should definitely take a look at, and it's called Unmasked Inside and tief is radical plan

of destroy democracy. Why did you write the book and what is it about? What are your main arguments. I wanted to provide just to the average American or reader on the world, a book that they could have in their hands to understand antipas history and ideology and organizing organizing tactics and why they are the threat that they are.

Um And, by the way, I think it's important to to respond to what you just said, like all those points are really important and they're true about the reason why there's a certain salience or palatability for the actions of the alament to FAZ because there are these chronals of truth in things that they purport to say they're

flighting for. So, right, the history of racism in the United States, particularly for black American citizens, is something that's real, and there are certain um we have within living memory of these policy is that were you enacted at the state level and carried out by law enforcement to justify um racist policies and discriminatory actions. So Antifa and b ALM, in my view, they use these traumas to carry out their extremist activities and to justify what they're doing. Um So.

In the book, I also write about I map out the relationship between BLM and Antifa and sort of the very steeries that kind provide the framework for a lot of their arguments, because if you talk to an Antifa, ask them why are you why are you setting fires to businesses? Why are you looting these small businesses? These people are part of our community. They don't see what they're doing as bad at all. They don't see it as criminal activity. They see it as a good thing

because in there there world view. For example, they view capitalism property rights as linked to systems of oppression, linked

to fascism. So, like too about to understand Antifa, you really have to understand their ideology and see where they're coming from, how they justify their actions, because I think in addition to um a law enforcement response that is needed to break up some of their criminal networks, we also need to be looking at how do we UM counter their arguments that have made its way to the mainstream and is appealing too many people on the left. Okay,

then thank you for that point of clarification. And I was intrigued by what happened over the summer because it appeared that in a lot of these cases, when we saw in some of these communities, which I agree, Why would you be destroying your own community. You saw Antifa with Black Lives Matter at least in the in the same area, and it appeared to me that Antifa was

hijacking the Black Lives Matter moment in that scenario. But BLM, which we want to separate because there's the organization and there's the people that I know who I happen to be friends of, who are professionals, who aren't destroying businesses and property, who just says use the term Black Lives Matter and it's not necessarily linked to the association or organization in any matter. Did you see Antifa hijacking that movement? And we saw a lot of reporting on that on

my network, Fox News Channel. We talked about it a lot, and the fact that BLM wasn't making any statements with regards to it. Did you see that a lot personally? Yes, I did see that a lot. So going back several years for the BLM events in Portland and Seaho, I

saw the Antifa. We're volunteering security for these events, and since some that sort of the partnership between the two has become a bit more explicit in is very explicit in some chapters BLM d C, for example, what's calling m their supporters to come out and support some of these events. I don't know if I would say that ANTIFI hijacks. What they do is they exploit these events, because, as I said earlier, there's a lot of people who go to these um left wing protests that are done

in the name of racial justice. And these are people who are just regular left wing people, liberals. They don't really understand that they are being used as human body shields in a wider agenda of creating turning protests into

riots that ANTIFA is so good at doing. UM so my criticism and blum the organization in addition to their Marxist revolutionary views that have been espoused by the founders, but all so that leaders in the organization by and large have not done the work it takes to expunge the anarchists communist elements that are coming in to engage in criminal organizing. In fact, they usually ignore it, deny it,

or welcome it. So um at some point, in my view, you you do place blame on them for being complicit, and but I think it's worse than that. I don't think they're just complicit. I think they welcome it, and you, as writ in the book, you can look at some specific chapters in the US for BLM where they actually consider anti Feather comrades and allies. I want to pick up from there at the moment, but first let's go to break Gee Soars. He's funding We know he's been

funding BLM. I think he gave him thirty three million dollars. Is he also funding Antifa? The funding for Tifa is. There are a lot of theories about that, and most of it is unfounded. One of the most common ones is that shadowy billionaire millionaire figures channeling money to Antifa groups. I haven't found evidence from that. It's actually much more simple. So, as I write in the book, the the funding sources is actually done through campaigns, ong fund me, cash app envenoment.

So with the aid of big tech, these people make campaigns and accounts that are then shared with their very large and expansive networks on the left, and people are donating. Suffer hundreds and the amount of money that some of these Antifa groups have been able to raise is significant. I'm talking hundreds of thousands to millions. Some Portland alone, hundreds of thousands was raised to cover everything from food, food, to accommodation to travel, riot gears, weapons, jail money, jail

bill funds, UM, legal aid, absolutely everything. It just became a really well oiled machine. They were swimming in cash. And then some of these groups because they just opened up out of the blue after they would get all this money and they would just closed down their Twitter account and you would you would have no idea what happened to the remaining let's like three hundred thousand dollars

as one of these groups in Portland. UM In in Minnesota, the Minnesota Freedom Fund raised thirty five million dollars with the help of celebrities and people like Kamala Harris UM and that money was used to bail out every single person who was arrested up the riots throughout Minnesota, and some of the people that they were getting failing out included those being held on charges of attempted murder and rape.

So UM people are using big tap to aid in their right organizing, which is why the decisions to dan Trump and then many pro Trump accounts on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram have been so hypocritical because they've turned a blind eye for years now two left far left terrorists who are organizing and crowdfunding on their platforms. As you probably predicted, the mainstream media and the PC police

are not fans of your book. The Los Angeles Times called it extremely dishonest, writing you pretend and Tief is the real enemy. Leftists have even tried to cancel your book, bullying Portland's iconic Paul's Bookstore into not selling your book. I believe Pals gave it, gave in to the mob somewhat and said they wouldn't sell it in the stories, but they were doing online. I'm guessing you expected some of his backlash. What do you make of all of it?

That particular review was written by a man named Alex Nazarian who is a White House correspondent for Yahoo News. I think um, his certain things he said in the review were really disgusting, for example, linking me to Gebbles and calling me, in other words, a Nazi propagandist. Um. That type of language is um, I mean, I don't think it has place. You don't just flippantly use Holocaust references just to make a point in a review to

try to sme as somebody like, Um, it's disgusting. If he wants to challenge disagree with my analysis, all that is fine, But going down this route of really unprofessional language like that is not becoming on somebody who works as a reporter and covers the White House. So that's that was my initial response. I think, Um, of course,

it's entirely predictable. I think our papers of records, whether they be The Valley Times or the New York Times or Washington Post, have published a lot of material that um bring Shane to the profession in my opinion, and it brings me to another point you mentioned in New York Times. A reporter there even called you a dangerous threat who should be censored on social media. How do you respond to all this? Are there any effort to real, legitimate efforts to sense to you, whether they be on

social media anywhere else. Yes. So you're talking about Sarah john she um, she's a walks of the New York Times. She wasn't added her UM and she had been calling for me to get banned after Trump was banned. Um. It just goes to show you, as I wrote about in the book, an you felt have a lot of fellow travelers and useful idiots and media um is are actually some of their strongest allies because they help mainstream nanti fause ideology and wrap it around these simple marketing

terms like anti fascism and nanti racism. I'm not surprised that a lot of gentlealists, do you they feel threatened in foment work because they have poured their entire lives until making the public ignorant about the extremism of the far off. Yes, and I appreciate you making your voice known and certainly putting the research out there, because there's a lot of Americans who don't understand what antifa is, and some people legitimately think it's just simply an idea

and there's no real action behind it. And I think that that certainly a lie, and we've seen that as evidenced by way of the way you were treated in many other instances what we've seen neither on social media or live on our televisions. But before we let you go, I just wanted to know what's next for you. Do you have any big projects coming up? The folks at homes you know about, and what can people find you on social media and elsewhere? So I am on Twitter

at Mr Andy Ngo. My website is Andy dot ngo dot com. I post whenever I give interviews, and I write news reports, and all I have to go on my website or my my social media so people can follow there. I'm going to continue doing what I've been doing before, which is primarily to work as a reporter and covering the Andy for Beat because this is an issue that is not going to go away, and it's not going away absolutely, and I'm following you on Twitter myself.

So I want to thank you again for coming on out loud with Gianno call Will and certainly educating us on many of the instances and intricacies rather of Antifa, because a lot of us are simply misinformed and don't even know what it is. But you lived life in a real way in terms of exposing them for what they are reporting on the ground, even getting beat up by this violent group of people. So thank you again for all you do, and we look forward to as seeing more from you and picking up a copy of

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