Episode 20: Biden the Divider, with David Webb

show in series x M Patriot. He also hosts reality Check with David Webb on Fox Nation and as a Fox News contributor. Plus, David is a writer for The Hill. A proud conservative, David is unafraid to say what he thinks and it is one of America's most prominent political commentators. Today, we're going to discuss Trump, Biden, immigration, the black vote, and so much more. Buckle up and let's go, David. Welcome to Ally with Gianno called Well, thank you so

much for coming on, my friend. Anytime. Let's die absolutely so. Last time I saw you, we were having some nice cigars and a drink of it, your fancy, fancy place. Howe you been since then? That was about a week ago. I'm still you know, celebrating life. Living life gets tough times right for a lot of people out there. When I tell them they should try to do their best, my friend, it's uh, it's about enjoying what you have and making the most of what you have, no matter

what it is or where you are. Absolutely I agree with that. And the big news, as we know is Joe Biden was wanted as the forty six president of the United States. His speech at the inauguration focused on the theme of national unity, but he also spoke of the rise of political extremism, and a lot of folks considered him to be attacking Trump supporters again, folks who

just wanted the best for their country. They wanted their taxes low, They wanted to ensure that the country was on the right track, and it was American first priorities. What do you take from that is speech didn't seem that unified to me. What did you think? I mean? This is Joe Biden. This is not new to this campaign.

I've been watching his history for decades now. Within the first two minutes or so of his inauguration speech, which I carried on my show, he used the term white supremacist, very reminiscent of his launch of his campaign from Charlottesville, Virginia. This is Biden that has played the race baiting game over the years. He's a professional politician, part of the DC cesspool, and he's wanted to be president since June when he first filed. So he played to his bass.

He continues to play to his base. And you can't claim you want unity and then go out and go after some seventy five million people who voted for your opponent. It just doesn't add up. No, it doesn't. And the fact that his administration continues to not really have a true own statement on impeachment outside of well, the Senate can do business in terms of our priorities and also

try the president. I mean, that's not really a unified message, and I think most people would agree with that sentiment. Let's take a quick break now and continue the conversation in the moment. The Biden policy, they're saying that there's going to be legalization of eleven million and legal immigrants currently living in America, and that number has been something that has been mentioned for years. We at least can as safely assume that the number is way larger than

eleven million. And Joe Biden on this first day is talking about giving a pathway the citizenship to these individuals. Um, what is your take on giving citizenship to eleven million people who didn't come through the front door clearly of you know, I'm all for the Dreamers having a pathway to citizenship. They came here at no fault of their own. But there's other folks that are coming in trying to get be a part of this eleven million, which we

know is much more than that. What's your take on that? Well, I mean, let's start with the principle of immigration, which is designed to be selective, not necessarily fair. You select who you want to allow entry into the country legally.

I've been covering the border since nine nineteen, so I've seen this play and you know, they would have us believe that eleven million people, which is a number that is now over a decade old, did not have davies, did not produced, did not bringing more illegals that have been crossing the border, as you and I have in

this conversation or overstay in their visas. Biden said something that's key there, and I have been telling this to both call it minority groups and illegal aliens in this country and others that want all these proposals by the Democrats. He said, eight years. So if there's a pathway to citizenship over eight years, tell me where a current president Biden will be in eight years, and how do you get your promise kept. It's a deflection in the lie.

It's a wedge issue that allows us to go on and then at the same time balkanize the country with more migrants. They're over ten thousand by some reports, gathering in multiple caravan south of the border. If they make it through the Dairy and Gap to the Mexico border on the south, security, health issues, health issues with the COVID pandemic, other things will come into play. How does that actually work? The truth is he can destroy our infrastructure and they can be fund or not fully fund

ice in their operations to secure the country. That will have a great effect on their ability to do their jobs. And then what happens when they come in. You have wage suppression, You have an oversupply of labor for jobs that Americans need. What happens when you have an oversupply of labor. Now we have another problem. So Biden's promise is, like his political career, are words and the actions don't

often follow the way he's promised. What's kind of interesting about this is we were told from a lot of folks in the Democratic Party that Joe Biden would govern from the middle, he would be a center left president,

and we're already seeing that that isn't true. It I think a lot of conservatives feel is though, this is a president who really attacked the American norms that we've gotten used to over a decade after decade, do you feel any reason to be optimistic about his administration whatsoever. I'll give you one chance for Joe Biden that I see right now, and who knows, there could be others.

And it's only in the Middle East where stabilization after the abram Accords and now six total deals of recognition of Israel economic trade, the Bosnian Serbian Economic Trade Agreement, which actually obviously comes out of Eastern Europe with Israel so and and other nations recognizing that stability. And if you were to leave that alone, people on both sides of those equations Muslim or Jew or otherwise have stability.

But when you look at Biden's promises, the taxpayers will pay the price Giano when you rejoined the rejoin the Parish Climate Accords America is roughly thirty to thirty five percent of the funding for that. What was really upset into them was just like the U n we pay the price. Just like NATO, we pay the price while they get the benefit, which the world doesn't get because

China doesn't follow the accords. Burning a fibrous material would for fuel fire and more in Africa is also counterintuitive. So instead of solving the issues, they're just creating a sham of an approach on an issue that they actually don't have a real solution for, which is how we work, live and exist and grow a better environment around the

Now that's a really great point. Now. I find it to be interesting that on day one and off, as Biden signed and executive or there halting the National Emergency Declaration that allowed Donald Trump to use additional funds to build a border wall, the order also pauses construction projects into further review. What do you think of Biden stopping construction on the border wall, which of course was one of Trump's key priorities. That one really troubles me, and

it should Americans. We know what we catch, what we interdict in various ways along the southern border. For those of you who have never been to the southern border, it is a hell hole along the Rio Grand and other areas. It is a nightmare from a garbage trash disposal and human traffic in issue. So there's so many issues there. The walls funnel people into areas that are trying to cross illegally, so we can interdict them if they were too even leave it where it is and

not take action. Remember what I said earlier about reducing the on and taking away their capability, reducing the beds, all the things they can do, reducing the process in the judicial system. Then what we'll see is a greater danger not just along the border, but they will spread into many states, not just the more liberal states, and into the sectors of the economy like construction, service industry, and agriculture and more. But these are the areas that

will pay the price. So while people want to just focus on the border, and I'm glad you asked the question there, you've got to take that issue and go much broader and bring it home to your main street in your community to make it real for people. In other words, well, it is very real for them. For example, states that spend billions of dollars on education, billions of dollars on healthcare are taking that out of the taxpayer dollars.

Then you add English as the second language. People come from non traditional or non existent school systems to go into these systems there, or you have to hire additional teachers, special teachers. They're taking resources away from the Americans who are illegally, whether they came here illegally or were born here as citizens. You're taking resources away from their children.

You're taking resources away from their community hospitals, which, by the way, when you break that apart, it's not the really nice hospitals in the really nice areas of America that typically get the elites pulling up in their expensive cars for their treatments. It's community hospitals and localized state run hospitals that bear the brunt of this. And who do they serve, typically the underserved or lower economic areas

of our nation. So who pays the price? Absolutely. Now, my point was, especially when it comes to younger people, they don't necessarily see those things that may impact business owners. I think back, think back to my grandfather, who small business owner plumber construction, who often talked about in Chicago how there was illegal immigrants taking opportunities. They would underbid and undercut him because they were using illegal help for him.

It was a very real topic of discussion. It was something that impacted his business and impacted the way that he earned money. For other people on the street day to day, they may not necessarily see it, That's what I was pointing out there. So speaking of is as the point of immigration, Conservatives tend to comprehensive immigration plans and prefer tackling the issue piece by piece, usually beginning

with border security. Do you agree with that approach? I agree with that approach is part of the starting point, Gianna. But we need to go further with this, not just border security, but we need a proper functioning system of detention and processing with immigration courts, add and judges. The Trump administration thought that battling were stopped by the way by some Republicans who did not want to improve that.

So things have to work together, and to your point, by the way, breaking it real for people you know, the wage suppression issue is a big issue for young people. Starter jobs typically come where and starting positions and companies

at every level or locally in your community. So if the conservative approach is going to address this, we've got to address it from the border, but we've got to come down the main street into those neighborhoods and find ways to enforce and remove, not to mention the criminal component of what happens when you have more poverty and lower earnings which are then either supplemented by taxpayer dollars or embedded and unfortunately in a negative way, uh increased

crime in communities. And I understand that piece. What is the way, the right way of dealing with illegal immigrants currently living in the US. Would you be okay with putting them on the pathway a citizenship after the border secured in an effective, demonstrable way, or should we consider an alternative plan because we probably can't put out a level million people, we can send them home. Clearly, what is the right way of approaching this. It's not a

path to citizenship. There are steps along the way, and they might be a consideration for limited amounts of legal lawful presence, which is actually the proper term for that. I've worked on this issue for years, testified on this issue, and worked with groups that have returned home projects. The federal government actually returns to legal aliens. We need enforcement, and I know it's not the answer people want to

hear at times. And you will, You're right, you won't removal, you won't go in and weed out what is actually a higher number, uh probably closer to twenty how the high twenty millions or close to thirty million people. But you have more enforcement, more return and if you're removed, because there are parts of the population. Look, there are people looking for desperate looking desperately for help. They've come here for a reason. But unfortunately the law is still

the law, and the law had to be enforced. It's not inhuman because it's inhuman to someone if they're paying the price for someone else's benefits. So when an American loses and an illegal alien gains, that's not in that if you know, that is wrong as well. So we do have to return those that we catch. We do have to punish the employers to hire illegal aliens. And I realize that's a lot of businesses that are small in some cases and construction sectors and others. But if

you hire someone illegally, you're part of the problem. That's really interesting. I want to pick up through there in the moment, but first let's get a quick break now the side subject of the Dreamers. Why do you think Democrats didn't agree to Trump's deal of protecting the Dreams in exchange for enhanced bord of security Because it's a

wedge issue. Democrats have used illegal immigration as a wedge issue against the right for years, and I have asked this question that as President Trump, I know, did we and I talked about this in person when he looked at the Democrats And I've looked at them for years and said, you know, where's the solution that you actually delivered In the Obama years when they had the super majorities, they could have given comprehensive immigration reform on one page

with a swipe of a pen. They didn't. The Dreamers are a wedge issue, and it's an effective wedge issue because there's not a good solution that will satisfy the more art and or more strident conservative days. And you and I think we're closer to the reality of this is that we can find a path way, the lawful presence absent citizenship is my belief because it's no fault of their own. But this is the life they've known, and there's not a path to return home for them.

They were not you know, they were just too young and brought here against their will in many cases, or brought here by their parents willfully. So let's find that path. But that wedge issue is more important to the Democrats, so they want to to use it to run uh

and win elections. And certainly, if you're gonna illegalize, you're gonna give a pathway to citizenship to as you mentioned, just maybe twenty million, maybe thirty million people, then you have a new base of democratic, potentially democratic voters that will support you. And we know that that's a strong possibility because if you look at Florida, you see that there are some folks that have been who were really rescued by Republican president who feel loyal to the Republican party.

So that's a possibility there isn't it? Yeah, it is. And numbers matter here, you know, when you look at the black versus Latino population read large in America, Blacks represent a little undercent of the population Hispanics seventeen percent and growing at a faster birth rate, and in a blended community, which is natural communities, blend people live communally, illegally or legally. As you grow that base, you retain

a percentage of that base. This is the hardcore world of politics that I've been, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately de and in for decades now. So if you retain a number of that base, you keep your power while delivering nothing. And conversely, they saw it to your point, and I've been Deliberty City, Liberty Square for Drinko Wilson's district, other areas I work, My wife and I are heavily involved in some of these areas where these black voters were saying,

hang on a second. Trump got us some solutions, and I can tell you that bothers the Democrats, so they need to pivot to the next block to bring them in.

Talking about black support, those African Americans who chose to support Joe Biden, and he promised that he was going to deliver all kind of positive policy changes on day one of his administration, and that one of his administration has already happened, and we've not seen that our African Americans getting played once again by Democrats who run for office with their support and never seemingly do anything for African Americans like this, this is It just boggles the mind.

How do you team you to vote for a group of people who never deliver for you? Like I just don't understand it. Well, neither do I sometimes, But I've been working at this for years. It's going away little by little, uh And I think that's a good thing. But it hasn't gone away enough from the Democrat vote. And it's not even about becoming a Republican give you back. People should give themselves a choice, you know, make your vote worth something. If you give your unyielding loyalty to

one party, they owe you nothing. They've got you. And that's the istory of Blacks and Democrats when their freedoms came from Republican starting with President Lincoln and then working forward through civil rights, through the battle for desegregation and voting rights. So Blacks need to look economically, look at what policies, conservative fiscal policies, business policies, capitalism, free market competition, and economics is what lifts communities out of poverty. Rather

than keeping you bound to the government dime. And let me give you an example. Poss Off and Warnock in Georgia promised two thousand dollars to Democrat Baseballton County, Cobb County and others during the run to win the Senate, and now they're getting four hundred hundred dollars from Joe Biden and those same senators. Well, you just lost six hundred of your two thousand, you're getting fourteen hundred. If that's not an example of hey, vote for me, I'll

give you this, but I'm giving you less. I don't know what is or nothing at all. And what really upsets me about this whole thing. You saw people like Maxine Waters who said if if black folks vote for Trump, she would basically disown them. She was talking about black men, which we know that Donald Trump got a large supporter base there wounded a lot of Republicans didn't even think

was possible. And then we know that Donald Trump got the largest share of African American votes, or rather minority votes than any Republican and what almost modern history pretty much for the most part. So we saw the policy really resonated and it was you know, what do you have to lose this is what I can offer you, and this is what the other side has done for

your vote. Nothing. So it's one thing that is It's something that I stick on because it really disappoints me and upset to me when I see a lot of people kind of chucking and driving. If you will, I'm talking about these Democrat politicians that will not do anything for our community but talk we I say, were blocks

in America. The history of blocks in this country has been one of survival in very tough circumstances pre Civil rights, post civil rights, and what has helped family, god, community, building a business, owning what you know, using what's around you to better yourself. We gave that up for the government to be the provider of needs and determine what

our wants are. To go back to that independence and use that independence to go to school, get a trade, get a degree, or go to work, whichever way you do it, and and own what you know, grow with what you know. They were millionaires, were billionaires, are the highest percentage of millionaires of any country in the world. The wealth capital is there, and frankly, go back and reinvest in your communities and help others. I go back and work in some of these cities like New York

to help others get an education. You don't have to save the world, do the simple things that let blacks know they have a choice because education is a key component to that, and you will see the percentages rise.

Now I agree with that. I think representation matters in the sense that people like you and me ship go into these communities and mentor because one thing that democrats are very skilled it is saying, hey, you, because you're black, you don't have the ability, you don't have the resources, you don't have to know how, you don't have the talent to do X, Y and Z because the man

is holding you back. And that's really discouraging to me because as I was growing up on the South Side of Chicago, those are the things that I often heard. So it made me feel as though I wasn't empowered to move about my life and create a level of success that many people in my community have never seen because of what was told day after day. So these is really like a programming that goes on which makes

you feel like you're inferior because of your color. And it's so it disenfranchises people with disenfranchises because the people every day, and it's so sad that in we're still in that particular position. You know, think about this, Giano. When the man is telling you that the man is not helping you and you haven't gotten anything for it of any real value, Come on, when do you stop

believing them? It's it's not just the soft bigotry of low expectations, it's a very hard bigotry of we're not giving you anything to give yourself control, give you control of your life. That is a bigotry that is institutionalized by the Democrats. I absolutely agree with that. Let's dig into that further after a quick break. I want to bring this conversation back for a moment to where we begin.

Biden a national unity. Throughout his presidential campaign, Biden portrayed himself as a moderate savior who would unify us, the man who can bring Americans together. But we know that Trump and his supporters wanted tougher immigration laws, and Biden's team doesn't seem interested in compromising at all. So how hopeful are you that President Biden will help unify the country. I'm really not, And that's tragic because the success of America is what I want, regardless of who's in the

White House. I think, contrary to the or counter to the left wing poll for Joe Biden, who will play any card to any group just to keep himself where he is, uh, the American people will fight back out of just sheer need. Our unity is not down to a president. And this is something that I think we need to change. I amemeric, I know we need to change. Our unity is bound to our common needs, are common

goals outside of party. And I know it sounds erudite for some and almost pollyannish for others, But how have we been successful in communities which then become the communities within a larger community of a nation. It's when we work better together. If you're working in your neighborhoods, if you're helping to work, to educate your kids, to make sure your streets are safe, to work with law enforcement, to you know, to do what you can with what

you have. Think about that A force multiplier on that that's bigger than any politician. And yes, they can affect us. Packs, policies, culture, you know, consent decrees, failures in many way can affect us. But we really are this country. DC was empty for the inauguration. It's not the center of America, it's the capital. The center of America is all across this country. I think we're we are today and what our politics are

and with the media's role in it is. And I'm very interested in your thoughts because I think a lot of a lot of folks in the media have demonized all Trump supporters evil, and I want to know from New House and conservatives respond to leftists who say they want the Republican Party to burn down and they're making lists of Trump supporters for political retribution. We've seen prominent journalists and Democrats engaging in this behavior. What should conservatives

due to respond to this? For one, respond honestly, Okay, we have made our mistakes on the right, so let's let's be honest with the American people. Get them on our side again. Back to that eleven million plus that voted for not just Donald Trump, but for Republicans organst Biden in whatever way however they cast their vote, they chose a path for America. Focus on that, go into

these communities and stay there. The media, pundits, the social media influencers and others, they're not going to change because there's no real way to counter them. So turn off the person on TV. Turned to the community, the local political communities, local action groups, the local foundations, turned to your church members, turned to your your co workers at work, talked about your common ideals, and then keep working from there.

Make sure your kids are working together, they get to know each other so they can't be abused by the wrong information. We we want to be conservatives focused locally and then let that expand, and then we need support of people who will come in honestly on the those the platforms, like you or me. You know, we're Frankly, I love the fact that we consider and have a discussion, and you and I are not afraid to go out

publicly and help multiply that message. Yeah yeah, And I like your point in terms of making sure your kids aren't getting the wrong information. And truthfully speaking, I'm not one who I don't have any children, I'm not married or anything like that, but I would tell my kids, hey, make your own decisions, whether it be on the right or left. But here are the examples of what the left gets you, and this is what you get on the right. But you make your own choice and decision.

So I I really appreciate that point. Now this is something. Is you the series XM radio show host and you've been involved in media for decades even I really want to get your thoughts on this. What about those on the left who are targeting the sponsors of right wing host? What's your conservatives doing? Respond? How people they tried to shut down your show at all? Have anyone did that? I know that you're a very vocal voice and you amplified and listened to by millions of people. Have you

seen this on your platform? Yeah? Look, I had someone recently try to cut one little sentence out of the show out of context and take it. Management had a meeting. It's serious, and in the end nothing came of it. But here's what really happens, and it's someone who's been an advertising executive work with the big agencies in the past. From a broadcast perspective as well, advertisers go where the market is, and for example, Conservative Talk, my show is oversold,

my channel is oversold. On serious you know, advertisers are waiting to get in, so for a while they may target but the company, the service they're interested in business And after a while, when you look at all these called boycotts or targeting. While some cave in, the truth is after a while they come back and we've let them think and given them too much power by letting them think that while they're tweeting about it's actually having

an effect. Is the guy that's making the widget selling you a car or providing a service, you know what, They care about your business and if they don't have your business, they die. So the point is, do good work and have a marget sate that they can't try to target your show and take you off here because it feels as though what a out of your targeting that we're seeing even CNN going on and saying, hey, we want to take Fox News, Max and one American

news network off the air. We're seeing that there's a real targeting of conservative voices. Now that this this is one of the weirdest times I think in American history where they want to silence more conservatives versus having more opinion. They want less. They just want their their echo chamber, just like with Twitter and them silence and President Donald Trump. So that's that's really interesting. And speaking of Donald Trump, where does the party go? The Republican Party go post Trump?

I'm not sure, if it's post Trump, I don't know what form that takes, Giano, but probably after this kind of decompression period post presidency, we'll see whether the president comes out. He's a big figure in the party and the movement in American I think he's beyond the party.

I think there's a combination of you know, there are issues and Republicans that don't adhere to Republican principles and they need to be dealt with within the party structure and by the voting base who decides to put them in office or take them out. And I think Trump can work also from the outside, uh, you know, with effective activism and I've kind of coined my own not so clever phrase, which is effectivism. I think he can build provide a counter to the media if he chooses.

He's got the money to do it. He's a billionaire ex president, he was a billionaire going in. He's actually a politician because he is a politician now too, who didn't need to gain money from being in Washington, and he understands the ability to deploy money and finance to have an effect. You have a great point there, and I've been wondering myself what will President Trump do next?

And there's been talk of a Patriot Party, there's been talk ahead it Lord Trump on the podcast and she was saying that there was possibly a chance that they may do a Trump TV. She said that that that would be interesting. And now we see a lot of folks who are hungry, even more hungry for Donald Trump's voice because he's been silenced on social media, so people really want to hear from him. Now, what do you think he may do? Will there be a Patriot Party?

Will there be a Trump TV? Have you heard anything? Look, there have been some conversations between a group, you know, a group of us, are a number of us about what comes next. I can't say that I know the answer, and you know I wouldn't make one up because that's not how honest people do it. But I can tell you that there will be efforts. We've seen some packs shifting.

That builds the foundation. If you're going to build a third party, you need to build an infrastructure staff and you get to get set up actions for ballot access during races. So it's a big it's a big project. And that's why I say you can work within and without, you need outside. I believe in more parties. I'd never liked the firm two party system, and I'd like to see more growth and a real challenge to provide a

conservative uh effort, because conservatism is a movement. Republican is the party to fix the party and Rework and if you think about Lincoln and what happened Lincoln re you know, rebuilt the party. The old party has gone, the new Republican Party was born, and we're in that moment again. We just can't predict easily how it will turn out. So if there is a Patriot Party, would you join it? About to see what it looks like? This is the one answer I I don't know how. It was a

lot of silence. It's an honest answer. I've been a Republican since I was eighteen years old. Actually before that, I knew my values. But if this is what it takes, because I do believe in the Republican platform, if if, if there again there are good people there, We'll have to see what it shakes. That's so I can't give you an answer because I don't know what it looks like. I have two more questions for you. First, why are

you a conservative? Values? Family values? Fiscal values, national security, sovereignty, the Constitution, and the promise in our Declaration of independence. That's how I made my first decision, and uh, I'm still there. Final question. On your website web media dot com, at the bottom of the homepage, you write the definition of conservatism according to memory Webster, and then below that there's a quote by you trust in the authority. What does that quote mean and why it's trust so important?

How does that trust relate to conservatism When it comes to truth and trust, it's actually truth is the authority. Uh. When you find what is real, regardless of whether you agree with it or not, or it's a preference or not, it's simply is gravity is a truth. It may differ on the moon or on the Earth and its force, but it is the truth. And it's not that everything comes to that absolute truth. It may vary again here versus the moon when it comes to gravity, but it

still exists. We have to find our way to those things and understand that part of truth is that there will always be differences between people, but those differences have more what we have more in common than we have differences. And that's what I believe in in this country. I appreciate that, and thank you for having this conversation with me. I'm currently in Dubai and I know you're in Miami, so I truly appreciate it, and I appreciate the time

difference even more because it's before we go. Can you tell everybody where they can find you, your shows, your social media handles, in any big projects you have coming up. That's where I get to play Giano called well when he comes on my show. The man knows how to read. Yeah. Dot com is where you can go to really find out about me. Webb with two bees, as I like to say, serious excent Patriot Monday to Friday, nine am, two New in the Eastern Fox News, Fox Nation and

if you just google me David Webb. David Webb, thanks for coming on this show, and thank you for a really great interview. I appreciate you. Always look forward to your insights and you go beyond the surface of the news of the day, and um, certainly that historical perspective

matters so much. And I really really appreciate what you mean to the conservative movement because I wouldn't be where I am today if it wasn't for people like you who blazed the trail where before I came along said thank you, thank you so much my friend David Well, thank you, Geeto. You have yourself a great day and a great trip for that matter, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks to David Webb for a great interview. If you're enjoying the show, please leave us a review. Rate us

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