Episode 18: Big Tech's War on Conservatives, with Liz Wheeler

an author, TV hosts, and conservative political commentator. From twenty she hosted the popular show Tipping Point with Liez Willer on One American news network. In nineteen Liz published our first book, Tipping Points, How to Topple the Left House of Cards. We're going to discuss all the big news that everyone's talking about in the path forward for the Republican Party. Let's go Well, welcome to the show. One of my very good friends, Liz Whiller, only for a

number of years. So excited to have you. You You wanted the smartest people I know, and so excited to have you on Outlow with Gianno called Wall. How are you doing Giano. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. And it is true. We've known each other almost since the beginning of both of our respective political careers. We were sort of up and comers together, so it's been really fun to watch your career blossom. And look where we are now. This past week,

we saw something that our country never expected. We saw a riot at our our US capital. Um. There's been a lot of conversation in terms of what that means to our country. Uh, it's been condemned from leaders nationally and globally in terms of President Trump encouraging his supporters to go to the capital. Of course, we know that he didn't tell them to go and riot or breaking

through the capital. We know that that's that's not the case. Um, But he has very passionate supporters and certainly there was the people's business going on at that time. And in terms of CENTERFI in the election, I've myself said President Trump should have not and or is just supporters to go there because you just never know what they're gonna do, especially at a time like that. We'll show reaction to

what happened at the Capitol. Well, I think condemnation is first, you know, that needs to be said first, and this should be a nonpartisan, non political thing. When people commit violence in the name of political differences, that is unequivocally wrong. UM, and I commend actually the entire conservative movement and the

entire Republican Party for recognizing that immediately. You can contrast that with how the left responded this summer to the Black Lives Matter riots, the Antifa violence, burning cities, you know, Kenosha, for one, Milwaukee. Um, there wasn't condemnation. There was almost a complicity, at least a rhetorical complicity on that side.

So I'm really proud of our side for recognizing that even if there's legitimate grievances that these people felt being violent, storming the capital, hurting capital of police officers, even murdering one is not the answer. That is unequivocally not the answer. I think though, that the mainstream media and the left jumped on it immediately, as you and I Gianno, who were who work in media would expect, and they twisted it.

They made it seem a like President Trump had called for violence, when if you look at the transcripts of what he said, he unequivocally did not call for violence. He even used the word peacefully and powerfully protest at the Capitol, I believe was his phrase. He then condemned those who did riot, those who did commit violence, and

told them to go home. If that had been the behavior from any other president aside from Trump, he would have been applauded by the mainstream media for handling it properly. This is not something that is an objective analysis by the mainstream media looking at Trump's behavior. They've had it out for him for five years and they're using this just as their last hammer shot home before he's out

of office. They wanted to vilify him, they wanted to demonize him, and yes, he's not always the smoothest with his rhetoric. To say I love you to the people who rioted in that initial video, that's not a wise thing to say, right because you know it's going to be misconstant rude. But even so, even if it lacks wisdom, it's not the same as calling for violence. Those are the first two things. The third thing that I would say is this is not representative of those who voted

for President Trump, seventy five million people. Giano you and I among them, voted for this man Uh to be president of the United States, and the vast, vast, vast majority of us are non violent. There are fringes on the left and there are fringes on the right. The guy, for example, who was on the House floor with those horns on his head, I mean, this guy is like a conspiracy theorist who's in his thirties, who lives in his mother's basement. I mean, he's an absolute ne'er do

well loser, and he doesn't represent Trump voters. But the left, of course, wants to conflict that guy with all of us. Yeah, And you know, I've actually because I know that President Trump realized that he has a very passionate supporters. And certainly, I don't believe by any measure that you can indict all folks who supported President Trump, whether they voted for him or not, whether he supported his policies or not, and say that this has to do with all of them.

And I honestly, I know that these are very passionate people who went out there, and I've actually condemned President Trump for even encouraging them, because you just never know what might happen in that in that stunt. So I do agree that this should be condemned on all all ends. But you should never be trying to indict all the Trump supporters for the actions of a few, and they would never do that if this was people in the BLM movement or anywhere else. I absolutely agree. I agree

with you on that. And we saw over the summer, as you mentioned, riots across the country carey about Antifa and some members of the BLM movement and the left not only did not condemn him, we saw Joe Biden who ignored it during the d n C convention and it wasn't until his poll numbers begin to be impacted because folks in the suburbs said, hey, why is this allowed to go on that they made any statements with regards to it. We should be against violence at all time,

not just when it's politically convenient for us. I mean, what the thoughts about the continuation of this, because I'm beginning to believe that some of these protests we've seen, I know that there's a Joe Biden presidency that's going to happen. It seems as though this may not be the end of it. In terms of the protests. We might might have seen during the country in terms of racial justice. Well, protests I have no problem with. And this is where I guess I would disagree just slightly

with you or push back just slightly. I have no problem with President Trump encouraging protests from his supporters. You know, anybody with any grievance is allowed to protest for any reason, and I have zero problem with that, even if I disagree with, you know, the premise of Antifa, the premise of Black Lives Matter. Even if somebody disagrees with the premise of the Trump rally and the Capital, I don't care if President Trump says, go to the capital and protests.

That's the people's way of communicating with their representatives, whether or not we agree that their grievances are valid. And I think it's a very slippery slope if we allow the left to conflate actions. And what I mean by that is words matter, right, You and I talked, have talked a million times about this, actually for every kind

of issue. When the left tries to obliterate objective truth, when they say there is no such thing as gender, no man, no woman, no right, no wrong, that makes a difference because what happens is they set up an environment where they can take a comment and you can

you know, look at Twitter. For example, Twitter banned President Trump for two reasons, because he tweeted that he would not be attending Joe Biden's inauguration, and because he said his seventy five million supporters, the people who voted for him,

American patriots, he called them, would not be ignored. So those are two like rather innocuous things, right Like, you can debate whether it's rude not to go to an election of your of your successor you can debate, I guess whether seventy five million Americans because they didn't win the election, are going to be ignored. But there's nothing

in centiary about either of those two things. But when we obliterate objective truth, when we let the left redefine words, then they can literally say, and this is what Twitter did. They can look at President Trump's tweets and say that could be interpreted by someone as inciting violence, and objectively, Gianna, you and I would look at that and say, well, no, it couldn't. He's not encouraging violence. He's saying nothing about violence.

He's saying I'm not going to Joe Biden's inauguration. Well, so what But if you allow the left to tell you that one word actually means something else, then they're gonna be able to define anybody's words to mean anything they want to mean to serve their agenda. And you mentioned this, and we're talking about big tech, and after after MAFI storm in the capital, we know that their silence are rather trying to silence President Trump on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,

and they've banned them. This censorship is very slippery. Slow. What are your thoughts on the suppression we've seen in the past few days. I know you lost a lot of followers. I lost over fifteen thousand followers. I know there's been a lot of other people followers asked yep, yep, I checked about an hour ago. Actually, um, because that's not even account I generally keep track of. But fifty

seven thousand followers is how many followers I've lost. Um. I mean, it's terrible, right I It's hard for me to believe that even left wing voters. I'm not talking about swamp creatures in Washington, d C. It's hard for me to imagine that the average liberal in our country thinks that this kind of censorship and silencing is okay because it's it's not it's not what our country is about. It's it's terrible to see what's happening they actually want.

I've warned about this for a long time. People have actually accused me of being hyperbolic about it, and I haven't been. But they want to take conservatives and they want to socially ostracize us. They want us to be unemployable, They want us to have our free speech restricted. They want to label us as violent, radical extremists so that they can force us to either remove ourselves from polite society, as they say, or else conform to their radical leftist ideology.

I have been saying this for years now, that this is their goal. We've seen it in every arena. We saw it in religious liberty with Jack Phillips at Masterpiece Cake Shop. They wanted to close down his business because of his Christian beliefs. We saw this with Little Sisters of the Poor and Obamacare. They sued Catholic nuns because

they wouldn't fund a board defacient birth control. You know, with some gun groups, they denied them bank accounts because they didn't want them to exercise their Second Amendment rights. They don't want conservatives to have the right to protest the right to free speech because they want to label that as violence as a pretext to ban it. You know what's interesting about that is, yes, you've been warning it.

A lot of other conservatives have been warning about this, and a lot of folks on the left and in the mainstream have said, you know, this is just a fringe opinion, and they in general and then they said, oh with social media because of conservatives. It was a study to show that nine of conservatives believe that social media was pretty much out to get them and censor them. And people have said, oh, that's not true. You know that this is just some lie that is being pushed

on the ride it and it's not true. And then you see people are purging, purging account you you barely can post anything without being considered banning. And you saw just recently where there was a trending topic of hang Mike Pence. How is the hang Mike Pence thing not inciting violence? The double standard is terrible. And here here's a confession, Giano. I have to say, over the past couple of years, there have been times that other conservatives

have made allegations that big tech is censoring them. They'll say, oh, I'm I've been shadow banded on Twitter and my tweets aren't getting the same, you know, reach that they used to. And honestly, I'm always a little bit skeptical when someone says that. I'm usually like, well, are you're sure it's really that good of a tweet. I'm just full disclosure, That's what I tend to think. However, this takes it to a whole new level. And this is the second

part of it. I started believing more of the big tech censorship this summer when I myself and again this is my fault for not believing, I guess, but I myself was so objects to a quote unquote fact check from Facebook, which are these left wing organizations that pretend that they're just checking the facts when really they're marking you as fake news based on their differing opinion with you. And the result of that is you either get demonetized, your reach is reduced, you have no ability to have

a platform on Facebook. And this has happened to me. It happened to me coincidentally the day I went independent and two months before the presidential election, when I was having a huge impact on the national conversation on this debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Those are the first things that happened. The second thing that happens is this full out censorship. But I mean, there's simply no

argument that it is happening at this point. Now walk us through this, because this there was a story dawn on you in the USA USA Today, wasn't so I do this video on a weekly basis called five Things five stories the mainstream media refuses to report, and I reported very early in the summer. I think it was

May at the Wisconsin elections that were happening. You know, it was the first big group election you know, quote unquote during COVID that they did not it did not serve as a super spreader event, as the mainstream media had warned and then insinuated after it happened. You know, it was one of those things were like, oh, if people go out and vote, they're definitely gonna get COVID. We have to do mail in ballots. And I was like, well,

wait a second, let's look and see what happened. I'm not the only one that said that people conducted actual studies contact tracing and found that the elections were not a significant vector of transmission. There was actually no real transmission that happened because they social distanced and did all, you know, all their different mitigation protocols. And so I did a little portion of that final point or that video that I make that said what the mainstream media

won't tell you. They won't tell you that after their warnings that the Wisconsin election would be a super streader event, actually the statistics show it wasn't so USA today they claimed that they couldn't find any mainstream media outlets who had made the claim that Wisconsin was a super spreader event.

And I'm just like mind blown, Like did you hear the coverage and the chatter and the narratives that were going down the liberal pipeline leading up to this election and then the silence after it when they were wrong and they didn't want to report that they were wrong, So they claimed that I had been misleading or told a lie or exaggerated all because they didn't want that facts to come to light, because had it come to light in the way that it should have, we would

never have had the mail in voting, which ultimately in my opinion led to Joe Biden winning the election. You know, I think that's really interesting and I want to pick up from there in the moment. But first let's take a quick break sticking with social media. What do you think should be done in terms of these social media giants. Should they be treated just like regular publications instead of platform Should we be looking at war anti trust losses

because they're too much like monopolies. What do you think both? I mean, I think we all know some about Section two thirty and it served its purpose, right. It's kind of like unions in the past. They serve their purpose and now it's time to abolish public sector unions. That's the same sort of thing with Section two thirty. There are arguments to be made about the benefits that it brings, and there's no doubt that in everything in life, right,

there's benefits and then there's downsides. But the downsides of Section to thirty now very clearly outweigh the benefits because these big tech companies are treated as platforms, which means they are not liable for what you or I or crazy you know, X y Z next door says. Yet part of that stipulation of Section to thirty is that they cannot editorialize at all. They have to just provide people a platforming, neutral platform, and they're not part of

what's said at all. Well, they're clearly not doing that right. They're a big part, a big part of editorializing. In fact, I don't know an editor that's picky as Twitter and Facebook are being about what other people post. So they can't have it both ways. If they want to editorialize totally, fine, that's their right their private companies, but they can't be protected from the liability of what they do if they want to editorialize. That's simply how the law is written

and ought to be interpreted. That's the first thing. The second thing is we should enforce the laws on our books. This is the problem with a lot of different issues in our country. We actually have laws against it, they're just not enforced properly. Immigration is an example of that, but that's a different topic for a different day. But monopoly laws, of course, they should be enforced. We already have them. We don't need to target big tech with

some new type of legislation. We should just subject them to antitrust investigations and if they qualify as the monopoly. They shouldn't be allowed to operate like that because that's the law of our land. You know. What's what's interesting, And I tweeted this recently because I'm gonna be honest. Is a Republican for well well over a decade. I mean,

I'm not that old. I don't know how much every meeting to a lot of people, but I feel as though the GOP has failed us in terms of really ensuring that big tech doesn't have as much influence that it has. In twenty I believe it was eighteen, there was almost two million people in the United States that were involved in social media. Almost twenty percent of those individuals get their political opinions from social media, and now big tech is editorizing content and for a lot of conservatives.

I mean, if you you talk to just about anybody, they feel as though they're under attack personally. That's whether you have one follower, follower or three million. People really feel as though they're being targeted. And the Republican Party did not protect us from it when they hit every opportunity to do so, what do you think of that? I mean, in the very recent history, meaning in the

last month, I'm very disappointed in the Republican Party. I thought President from vetoing the Defense Bill to get Section to thirty reform in there was a good move. I mean, he sees he saw what was happening. This wasn't hypothetical at that point. Republican senators should have known better. They can see what's happening too, and they did nothing. Republicans had an opportunity to make this happen, and they did nothing.

That's why Republicans get so frustrated with career politicians, because when we have these opportunities, these career politicians lack a killer instinct. They don't say, we're gonna play hardball on this deal, We're gonna get a provision that we want. No just Nancy Pelosi gets everything she wants and Republicans, who had the majority in the Senate and the presidency get left in the dust. It's it's unfathomable to me.

It's so annoying. My question to you is going forward, will the Republican Party still be the party of Donald Trump Ship? Or should be? Like? What? What? What should

we expect? It feels like we need something new, fresh, and different than what we've been seeing as of recent well let's talk about the stimulus checks for a second, because there's this narrative that's circulating amongst many people in the rights blaming Mitch McConnell for not voting on the two thousand dollar stimulus check and saying, well, that's why you know, Republicans lost the Senate in Georgia because Joe Biden went down there and said on day one, I'll

give you a two thousand dollar check. There was a poll down, the survey down that showed that the two thousand dollar stimulus checks whereas popular as like football in Georgia. Right, So, in a sense, people are blaming Mitch McConnell for that. But I want to take it a step deeper, a step in a more complex manner. I want to look at this in a more nuanced sense and ask this question why we're Republicans in the lose lose situation to begin with, meaning, it's actually not smart to give people

two thousand dollars. It's not going to help people who are actually losing their business. Two thousand dollars might help for a month, but it's a token effort that politicians use to comfort their own consciences for how much they've hurt the American people. It is not a game changer for people in need. So we need to understand that

first of all. So why were we in this lose lose situation where we had this choice between spending a lot of money but I mean a lot of money going into debt that's gonna be on the shoulders of our children and our grandchildren and our great grandchildren, or if we didn't do something so fiscally risky and irresponsible, we would lose the election. How did we get into that position? Because that's a choice, a lose lose that you should be able to have the forethought to see

coming and make decisions accordingly to avoid that. And here's what I mean. We have to go back even further and look at how even Republicans handled the COVID nineteen crisis. Even President Trump is not he is culpable in some ways for how he handled the COVID nineteen crisis. You know, how he elevated Dr Fauci, how he was very much against Georgia reopening when they initially after the quote unquote

first Wave, wanted to reopen their economy. We have to look at actions that lead us into situations where we're gonna lose lose to try to avoid that. It's like chess thinking versus checkers thinking. And I think if the Republican Party doesn't reform the way that we think to start avoiding some of these lose lose situations, then what's gonna happen? We're going to continue losing. So even in the unprecedented pandemic where we've seen business after business shutdown,

whatever what, no matter what state you're in. I mean, with the exception of Florida, which has been great. In Texas, I think they've also been great, and they've handled it pretty well in terms of understanding. For example, I'm in Florida right now. Ronda Santis understands that it's not just COVID nineteen that kills poverty, kills too. But we're in a situation that we've never really experienced as a country.

The American people have been sending over three hillion dollars of their money to the federal government in the form of corporate income. Isn't it right to say in a situation like this that they should get some aid. I mean, businesses absolutely deserve aid. That's what we saw, like some of the similars PPP money. I think that's appropriate. What why is it wrong for them to get two thousand dollars of them money. I know the debt is a big issue. We've been seeing the debt. I don't think

it's a right and wrong issue. I think it's a smart and dumb issue. Like if we want business owners to survive, we need to let them open their businesses and run their businesses. I mean, my my family is full of small business owners, some people, some of members of my family. My sister, for example, has been absolutely you know, hammered by these shutdowns. Her business is basically destroyed. Two thousand dollars barely pays for a month of rent

and compensation for what she's lost. You know, like I said, it's it's basically token. It's not a matter of don't they deserve something. Yeah, they deserve a government that doesn't tell them that they can run their business, the government that doesn't tell them that they have to shut down. A government that doesn't say sorry, too bad. You know,

we're gonna live. We're gonna continue to collect our paychecks and live our cochy lifestyle, and we're gonna throw you some uh some money that Nancy Pelosi, by the way, wants described an equivalent amount as being quote crumbs. It's a matter of is it actually going to help people? Are what is going to protect people's livelihoods well also sure protecting against COVID. And you know, it's been nine months, more than that, almost ten months. We know that the

lockdowns themselves shutting down businesses, that doesn't work. It destroys people's lives. It destroys their livelihoods. The lockdowns lead to deaths, to just as COVID nineteen does. I don't blame politicians necessarily for how they handled it. The first month, the first six weeks, we didn't know what it was. We were told that it was going to be this horribly deadly pandemic that was gonna cause millions of millions of deaths in our own country. And then we started getting

the actual facts about it. We realized that it is very risky for elderly people, it's not very risky for young, healthy people. It's basically not a risk at all for children. The vectors of transmission are not schools, they're not retail businesses, they're not even restaurants and bars. I think New York city's own data showed that transmission in bars was like one percent of cases were transmitted in bars and restaurants.

I mean, there are some governors, Rhonda Santas included, who recognize the scientific facts about this virus and are taking mitigation measures based on the facts, but most other politicians in our nation are not. They're basing it off of maybe their political agenda, maybe their own mass hysteria, their own fear, their own desire for power, whatever it is, their lack of understanding and compassion for non government officials,

for everyday working people. And so I have no patience for those politicians as I see my own family members businesses being shut down. Two thousand dollars is nothing compared to a year's salary, a year investment in everything that they've lost. And I don't disagree with that. I just

think people should get something. I also think in terms of how they build out the policies, in terms of the stimulus, where they're like, oh, well, last year you made a hundred thousand dollars or three hundred thousand or four hundred thousand dollars um you can't get any of this particular stimulus. An when you may have zero today is just like insulting and stupid that that's my point of view. I just think that there has to be

something done opening the business. Absolutely, but if your business has been shut down for nine months, you may not have money to open your business. So I don't disagree with that. Don't don't misunderstanding. I don't disagree with that. I just think that we have to engage in a

more complex form of thinking as politicians. Basically, we have to engage in a more complex form of thinking so that we don't get ourselves into that situation where we're saying, Okay, your business has been shut down for nine months, which means morally the government of course has an obligation to give you something if they've taken everything away from you. Yet it's not really gonna help, and it's going to cause a fiscal a massive fiscal deficit, which we know

is also a national security risk. Because I'm not disagreeing with you when you say, you know they deserve something if the government's shut them down. Of course, I just think that smart politicians, politicians of integrity, if such a thing exists, could think ahead and avoid these lose lose situations. That's what I'm frustrated the most in politics. Yeah, now,

and and that I absolutely agree with you on. On another note, Senator John Throwing, the Republican from South Dakota who's also the Senate majority WHI said, I think our identity quote, I think our identity from the past several years now has been been around built around an individual, and we've got to get back to where it is built on a set of ideas and principles and policies. And I'm sure those conversations will be held, but it needs to happen pretty soon. Would you agree with that?

And what's what's what's the path forward? I just I don't understand. I think I feel like we're a party where we're really trying to figure things out because largely we've not necessarily had a road map that's clear, and a lot of people are really concerned. I think we're gonna We've lost a lot of voters. People are upset, whether they came in because they just believed in Donald Trump and they wanted to support his presidency. They feel

as though the party has failed. And then people who have been Conservatives and Republicans for decades, they're saying, you know, what I'm giving up on the Republican Party. They're not gonna go vote for Democrats, but they're just not going to vote at all. So I mean, where did you really leave us? There's a lot of confusion going on today.

What do you think? Well, I'll tell you something that I speak at the Young America's Foundation often, and one of the things that I always tell the high school or the college students is um you should base your political loyalty on principle, not on politician. You must resist putting a politician on a pedestal for several reasons. First of all, they will always disappoint you, because there's never going to be someone who agrees with you unless it's yourself.

And second of all, when you elevate a politician to a pedestal position, you are giving them, at least in your own mind, power that we should not be giving them. You are giving them an unprecedented amount of um power, and that's dangerous. So it's actually basically a very non sexy solution. We need to care less about politicians and more about policy issues. And we live in a cult

of personality. I mean, look at how we always are elevating different kinds of politicians and public figures in Hollywood celebrities. Our culture has a problem with the cult of personality. We are applying that to people and to politicians instead of to God as we should. So I know this is not an easy answer, but we need to think in a cultural sense. Why are we disordered in this way where we deify politicians? I mean, Democrats did it

to Obama, Republicans did it to Trump. Why are we in a position where our loyalty comes first to the person versus the principle. If we can reorder our minds to only support people who are likewise defending the principle, our parties, both of them, actually would be much better off. Absolutely, I agree with you. I want to continue from there right after we take a quick break. Now, do you see any future leaders on the right beyond Trump? The catcher eye that would be the real future leaders of

the party. Oh, that's an interesting question. Isn't that always fun to play? Who's going to be on the primary debate stage? I mean, there's there's tons of them. Think about different governors. There's Rhonda Santis, There's you know, Governor Abbott of Texas. There's um there's NICKI Haley, there's there's governors all there's actually a lot of Republican governors who are very qualified. We've gotten and this is interesting, we've

gotten in the past since Obama. We've gotten away from governors being political candidates and towards senators being political candidates when it for president. I mean, when it used to be the other way around, right, It used to be the governors that would take the next step to the White House and the senators, you know, kept their place in the Senate. Now senators go to the Senate because

they want to be the president. So in addition to those governors, you know, we have the whole slew of Republican senators who want to be the nominee in who I'm sure are going to run again. So there's not going to be a shortage of choices. I think it's going to be a very crowded primary stage. And you, you're a very young conservative. I don't want to thank you. I didn't want to say that, But what do you

think conservatives need to do to reach out to younger vote? Um. I think they need to listen to the concerns of younger voters and they need to not try to convince younger voters to be worried about things that they aren't worried about, or not to worry about things that they

are worried about. They need to meet the concerns of young people where they are and then explain how conservative policies best address the pre existing issues that young people are worried about, because right now, Republicans have a tendency to not really actively listen to young people, but just to say, actually, this is what you should be concerned about.

And young people who have been told, you know, for years that the world is about to end for climate change, You're like, what do I care about my grandchildren's fiscal deficit? And there is a reason they should care. But politicians need Republican politicians need to listen to young people and explain how conservative policies answered the pre existing concerns that young people have instead of trying to tell them to

be concerned about something else. Now on Juniory twenty, and Joe Biden will become the President of the United States. Will this be a third term of Obama? Or what should we expect from Oh, I think he's gonna be much more radical than Obama. Look at who he's surrounding himself with. I mean, Barack Obama was the most radical leftist president that we had had up until that point.

But I think the people who Joe Biden has surrounded himself with, perhaps the people who are making Joe Biden's decisions and controlling much of Joe Biden's policy direction, they are more, much more blatantly leftist than Obama was, because he at least tried to be nuanced about it and tried. He didn't. I'm not saying he succeeded policy wise, but he didn't admit, Oh, I'm a socialist. Oh I'm a Marxist. Oh I think we should ban guns. I think that

we should, you know, stifle religious liberty. All the people Joe Biden is surrounding himself with, including probably most importantly Kamala Harris, his vice presidential running mate, are extremely extreme radical leftist. If they have control of the Senate, the House, and the presidency, Gianna, the next two years before the midterms are going to be a blood bath. And I don't mean that literally, I mean a blood lath of

policy um that's going that's obliterating essentially our constitutional principles. Yeah, and Kamala Harris has been rated the most liberal senator even beyond Bernie Sanders. Beyond that, do you predict there's gonna be some infighting between Biden and the more progressive Bernie and AOC wing of the Democratic Party. Yeah, for sure.

And by the way, let me go back for a second, because media matters always tracks every single thing that I say, so I want to give additional context so they don't lie about the word that I used, especially in the wake of the capital rights. When I say blood bath, I do not mean a physical blood bath. I meant, uh, the on the chopping block would be our constitutional rights, life liberating in the pursuit of happiness. Are individual liberties? Are freedom as a nation? That's what I meant when

I said that. Just for any liberal who's looking to take me out of context, make sure you listen to my full comment before you misquote me or misconstrue what I say. Isn't it fun being conservative? Jano? I just wanted to put that up there. No, I mean, and you're so right to do so, because legitimately, now it seems like it's such an interesting, insensitive time where liberals in places like media matters. They're really trying to take

us out of context. So it's good that you provided that, but it was clear enough for everyone who was listening. They knew exactly what you what you were saying, and you clarified it as soon as you said it, so people can understand. But thank you for providing an additional clarification.

Of course, of course. Um, But as that's your question, which is is there going to be conflict between the radical leftist portion of the Democratic Party and Joe Biden, I don't actually think Joe Biden's gonna put up much of a fight. I mean, he's gotten what he wanted, right, He's going to be inaugurated the president of the United States. He knew what he was doing when he picked Kamala Harris.

I mean that that's the thing about Democrats for the most part, at least democratic politicians, is they're not that principle of people. They might be ideological, they might have a political agenda, but it's not like Joe Biden is going to stand up there and say, wait a second,

I am principally against packing the Supreme Court. He might recognize the political impracticality of it in certain senses, he might recognize from his past that it's hypocritical based on what he said, but like he's going, he can be convinced to move further left. I mean we've seen that under our very noses. Compared to what he said uh in the primaries versus what he's saying now, I don't

think he's gonna put up much of a fight. I think it's gonna be very far leftist because they're not gonna They're not going to listen to Republican minority voices in a House and the Senate. They're going to do whatever they want. Absolutely, they're going to dominate it. And to conclude our conversation, I just have two more questions. First, sure, you became a prominent media figure at a young age. What advice would you get the kids in college or recent graduates who would want to make it in a

political world or as a journalist. I would say, read a lot of books. Read as many books as you can any any books that you would recommend, Yes, So I actually made a list in my book. There's a whole chapter dedicated to fifty books that you should read

if you want to be an educated conservative. So, at the risk of sounding like I'm promoting my own book, which we're going to do that anyway, but Tipping points how to tolp the less House of Cards, and there's a whole chapter I think it's chapter seven that has a whole list of books that young people should read.

So um, that is my first piece of advice. The second piece of advice builds on that know what you're talking about, really understand why you stand for what you stand for, or and understand why the left stands for what they stand for. Because when you start undergoing scrutiny, when the firestorm of the left starts criticizing you and hacking you, you better be strong and what you believe and understand why you believe it, or else it's an

untenable situation to be attacked like that. The third piece of advice builds on that if you're going to be attacked, you need to be surrounded by a support system family and friends, church, community hopefully who support you that you can come home from the political fray from and live a regular life. Those three things are the most important things that you can do if you want to be

successful in conservative politics today. All right, And finally, America is currently divided, and a lot of people are pestimistic about the future of our country. Can you give Americans a reason to be optimistic? Of course, I wouldn't be fighting the fight that I'm fighting every day if I didn't think there was hope for our country. If I truly thought we were about to be flushed down the toilet, I wouldn't be involved in this fray. I am involved

in this fray. Of course, we have hope. We have undergone as a nation, tremendous conflict, tremendous wrongdoing with Gianna. We underwent a civil war. You know, we have correct course corrected from a litany of evils inflicted on people, whether it was people of color, whether it was women, And every time we have managed to course correct. Do not give up on the principles enshrined in our founding documents that allow us to both be sinners as men and course correct as a nation. We can do it

if we don't abandon those principles. There it is, Liz, will it On't you tell us how we can follow you. We're gonna mention your book again, but go ahead mention your book for us, and and certainly you put you put out these dynamic videos every week that a lot of times go viral on your Instagram. So give us your social media handles and how we can keep in touch. Definitely. So you can find my book Tipping Points on Amazon

or Barnes and Noble anywhere that you find books. You can subscribe to my YouTube channel, which is where I release those videos. You can just go to join Liz Wheeler dot com. It's all three of those are. One word to join Liz Wheeler is the U R L Join Liz Wheeler dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at Liz Underscore Wheeler. You can follow me on Facebook at Official Liz Wheeler pretty much any any platform. You can follow me on parlor for you know, as

long as parlor is set to last right now. Uh. You'll find a blue checkmark by my name on any profile that is really me and I hope you connect with me. Absolutely. Thank you Lois Will for joining out loud with Gianno called about truly appreciate your time and inside. Thanks Gianna, it was great stock for you. Absolutely, Thank you so much. Thanks to Liz Will look for a great interview. If you're enjoying the show, please leave us a review and rate us with five stars on Apple Podcast.

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