Breonna Taylor's Aftermath, with Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron

General Kentucky. Cameron is the first Republican elected as Kentucky a g and more than seven decades, and the first Black American independently elected to statewide office in Kentucky history. He's a rising star in the Republican Party, and I have a feeling Americans will be seeing a lot more of him in the years to come. Before we get to Daniel Cameron, I want to play an audio clip

from a press conference you're here. Tamika Mollery, a prominent activist who was one of the organizers of the seventeen US Women's March. Following the decision by gran jury not to directly charge the officers involved in the shooting of Brianna Taylor. Her comments were then echoed by a number

of celebrities across the country. Take a lesson Daniel Cameron is no different than to sell out negroes that sold our people into slavery and help white men to capture our people, to abuse them and to traffic them while our women were raped, while our men were raped by savages. That is who you are, Daniel Caron. You are a coward, You are a sellout, and you were used by the system to harm your own mama, your own black mama.

We have no respect for you, no respect for your black skin, because all of our skin folks ain't our tendfolk, and you do not belong to black people at all. Well, Daniel Cameron, thank you so much for your time. You've been a friend of mine for many years. I've known you before you ever decide to run for office and on Capitol Hill many years. And you know, it's good to be with you. We got a lot to talk about today, but thank you for joining. I allow with you.

I don't called well man. I am so honored to be on here with you, and I really want to just congratulate you on this show and all the multitude of success that you've had, and you are a living testament to what hard work in person variance is. And I'm grateful to be your friend and grateful to be

on here bro. Thank you and faith and God more important. Amen. Amen, I appreciate that and interesting that we're talking about faith in God because on November thirty of you filed an emergency application with the U. S. Supreme Court in the

case of Danville Christian Academy versus but Share. The case involves religious schools that want to keep their in person classes going after the Kentucky Governor Andy but Share, a Democrat, issued an executive order saying all schools need to stop in person classes and go back to virtual distance or distance learning because of COVID nineteen and the application, you asked the nation's highest court to allow ruling by the district court judge stopping the enforcement of the order to

take effect. In the US Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, disagree with the district court inside with the governor leading you to file this application. Can you tell us more about this case and why it's so important. Yeah, well, I it's You've summed it up pretty well in terms of what's at stake here. The governor, in a recent executive order shut down religiously affiliated schools and as the

Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. It's my responsibility to defend the constitutional rights of our citizens, and in particular in this case, that's the First Amendment and the free exercise of faith. UH. And so look, I've said repeatedly from the beginning, whether you're the president, governor, or local officials here in the Commonwealth, I understand the responsibility to keep people safe uh and protect people during this

prolonged or protracted pandemic. But we have an equally important respon WUNSI ability and Gno. You'll know this from hearing Attorney General bar say it, or Justice course in his own way say it as well, that even in the midst of a pandemic, the Constitution cannot be suspended. I

wholeheartily agree with that sentiment. I think most Kentuckians agree with it, and I dare say the majority of the country agrees with making sure that we are standing up for the constitutional rights that we hold so dear and that we value. And again, the responsibility of this office is to be vigilant and protect those rights. And so when a governor says that a religiously affiliated school has to shutter its doors, when faith is at the core

of a religiously affiliated schools curriculum. Therefore, confronting and attacking the First Amendment, it's our responsibility to defend. And so we've taken this case all the way to the Supreme Court. We got to the right ruling in our judgment at the Federal District Court that said a governor cannot in fringi on our First Amendment rights the Court of Appeals.

We're obviously disappointed by that decision, but we have applied for immediate review by our circuit judge, which is just as Kavanaugh, he's now in the position of determining what happens next in this case. He's already asked for a response from governor Butscher's team and we'll see what happens

from there. But again, this is a pretty simple question in our view, which is Canada governor, in an executive order infringe upon the First Amendment right of parents across the Commonwealth to send their their children for in person instruction that that religiously affiliated schools, and it certainly would have, especially if it comes out in your favor, to have an impact across the country. So we'll continue to monitor that and see what happens there. Now let's turn to

the death of Brianna Taylor and it's aftermath. And I know it's been one that's impacted us all, especially as African Americans across the countrymen, women, I know that, uh, there's been a lot of hate directed towards you. If people go to their Instagram, they'll see thousands of comments people calling you a sell out of Uncle Tom. You got Rappers, Magotea, Stallion, and many many others who have personally attacked you, and they've sent a lot of hate

your way. And me knowing you for many many years and us having these conversations over dinner or or just being together and having conversations, I know that you have a great care for the black community, and you've you've mentioned on air that you know, we got to care about our black women. You've you've made those comments. Now, this seemingly isn't enough for a lot of the critics

that have come out after you. And I'm just really intrigued to know after the death threat you receive, your wife has had to have security, how are you doing on a personal level when it comes to all of that. Well, now, thanks for the question. Look, Uh, it has been a difficult period and I never want to sort of look at it. Um you know my perspective, and I think

you've framed this appropriately. A young lady in the prime of her life, Brianna Taylor lost lost her life, and as I've said repeatedly, that is a a tragedy, and make no mistake about it, it is hurt and had ripples throughout the Black community here in the Commonwealth and just the entire nation. I mean, this has been an important case and I am been pained by just how difficult it has been. And whether it's Tonka Palmer, Brianna's mother, or family members or folks in the community, I mean,

this is a heart wrenching story. And what I've said is that in the midst of this tragedy, sometimes the criminal justice system is inadequate to respond to a tragedy. And what I've meant by that is that there is great pain and sorrow connected with this woman who's was, in many ways the glue in her family, was a

strong pillar, was moving forward in her professional career. But at the same time the role of the Attorney General is to look at the facts as they are and not try to pick out specific facts, are certain facts to meet a narrative. That is not the role of the Attorney General, nor should it be. The responsibility of this office is to follow the facts and marry the

facts with the law. And what happened in the early morning hours of March thirteenth is officers were attempting to execute a search warrant and when they attempted to enter Kenneth Walker, miss Taylor's boyfriend UH fired at the officers, and the officers then were justified in returning fire. Again, the tragedy here is that Miss Taylor was hit in

that return fire. And again I cannot fully understand the pain and so or I've I've spoken candidly about you know, I know how much time and energy that my parents, my mother specifically have invested in me UH, and if something was to happen to me, I could I understand how how challenging and difficult it would be. But again, the officers were justified in returning fire. And as a prosecuting office, and I and I want to make sure that people understand that it's not me making these decisions

in a vacuum. So I have a team of of prosecutors UH and investing gators with over two hundred years of combined experience. We took this case because we had the resources and the the the breath of expertise and experience to handle this matter as as opposed to farming it out to another commonwealth attorney. You'll recall that the initial prosecutor on this case was conflicted out, and so it came to our office to make a decision about whether to keep it or to give it to somebody else.

But because of the resources in the relationship that we have with our federal law enforcement community, we were able to handle this case appropriately and have a meticulous and thorough investigation, and at the end of that investigation, we concluded, in terms of a recommendation to the grand jury, it was appropriate to recommend UH an indictment as it relates to another officer that was at the scene, but not to the two officers that fired in the doorway, if

you will, Miles Cosgrove in Jonathan Mattingly again, because they were justified in returning fire. Again, I fully said from the beginning that sometimes the criminal system is inadequate to respond to a tragedy, and that's certainly the case here, But that doesn't mean that I cannot dispense with my

responsibility and role as the chief law enforcement officer. And I hope people over time recognize that and understand that our job was to the law and of the facts in this case, and we tried to dispense with that responsibility appropriately. I'm completely confident in the process that we had here and in the prosecutors and investigators that we

had working on this case. And UH, it's it's important for people to understand that, UH, and it's important for us to continue to prosecute this, uh, the sub this other officer that was at the scene. And I also remind people that the FBI continues to lead an investigation

into this matter as well. And so I tell folks to to stay tuned because the case as it relates to the two officers that were in the doorway is concluded, but there are other things that are at play here, and the FBI continues to lead the way on that part of the investigation. So what would justice for Brianna Taylor's family even look like. Well, I think that you know, obviously, they have had a pretty large settlement with the city

of Louisville. But again, my responsibility is to the facts and the law, and UH, this is a very hard and challenging case. And as we look at the landscape related to warrants in that process, I think there continues to be very healthy conversations, very candid conversations about the execution of warrants, UH, the implementation and the process that

goes into those warrants. And again, the FBI continues its investigation to any potential civil rights violations, and so we continue to have these ongoing conversations about, you know, how can we honor her legacy and how can we best

move forward. But it's it's a tough it is a tough and challenging situation, and I again I understand those that are hurting and who take issue with our office's decision, But my responsibility is to the facts in the law, and we dispensed with that responsibility appropriate, you know, Attorney General, I think that's such an important point that people need to recognize. I want to pick up from there after

we take a quick break. Something Grand juris in the case I've said, you didn't give them the option to indict the officers directly for cars and Taylor's death. Because you never actually presented them with the homicide charges against the officers, they accuse you of lying and misleading the public about the grand jury deliberations. How do you respond to such accusations. Well, I'm fully confident in the process that we put forth, and I've I've said that from

the beginning. It is our responsibility to present the all the evidence to the grand jury, all the facts to the grand jury, which we did, but we also had a responsibility to put forth an appropriate recommendation. And that recommendation was to this third officer who was at the scene of the the incident, Detective Hankinson. And and and I won't say anything further about him because there is ongoing

criminal prosecution against him. But at the end of the day, what I've laid it out to you, as it relates to the justification for the return fire by Mattingly and Cosgrove, it was not appropriate to put forth a recommendation for any murder charges against them. Part of being a prosecutor requires that not only we have sufficient information at the indictment stage, but also something that we can actually pursue in the criminal jury system. And again, as a prosecutor.

You have to look at your responsibility on that angle, and that's from that perspective. Uh, and we just there was not evidence sufficient to bring forth a recommendation for an indictment for murder for either John Mattingly or Miles Cosgrowth. I'm just very intrigued by your opinion on this, because there appears to be, especially in the African American community, the very real truth that officers in some cases don't be brought to justice for murdering black folks, and in

cases unjustly. Is what I want to say. I think back to instances of police officers pulling up I've seen viral videos of the police officers asking in African American men for their driver's license, and they go in to get their driver's license and then they're shooting a car. Or I see Caucasian individuals who literally attacked the police and they don't seem to die. Do you think that we need to reform the system of policing so there

is greater justice. And LK was cleared in justice anywhere as a threat of justice everywhere, and a lot of African Americans do feel that they're under attack. I'm concerned when I get pulled over by a police officer, of ensuring that I leave this safely, I do whatever they tell me to do. But there's a very real concern in fear among our African Americans brothers and sisters that they can legitimately die from an interaction with the police.

And it doesn't seem as though there's much justice when it comes to um them actually being held to account when they do something wrong. Do you think we need to reform that? Well, what I don't say is that I think it's completely appropriate to have these very important conversations about our criminal justice system and equality within our country. I I don't know anybody that disputes that we need to, in order to form a more perfect union, continually have

these conversations. We want to be a part in the a g. S Office of that dialogue. As a black man, I want to be a part of that dialogue. Again, I don't know anybody who comes to these conversations in good faith that doesn't want to have a significant and substantial conversation about equality in the pursuit of equality in this country, regardless of what the industry or profession is.

I think it's always healthy to have that conversation. What I have tried to be very clear that in the midst of having that conversation, it's important that we not conflate situations or what happens in one particular instance, say, for instance, what occurred in Minnesota, or what occurred and other All of these cases are very fact specific and very fact intensive, and so the responsibility of a prosecutor in a prosecuting office is to make sure that we're

looking at the specific facts of a particular case. And for me in this office, it was what happened in the early morning hours of March thirteen in the June of Miss Taylor. That was what our scope, and that was what our analysis was about. I couldn't look at what happened in Minnesota, or I couldn't look at what happened in Georgia to inform the decision making process and the investigative process here in this case, I think that

would would not be appropriate. Again, as in my responsibility as a prosecutor, and I know that my prosecutors and investigators that were handling this case knew that they had to shut out everything else but the facts specific to this case. So, but to your original question, I mean the conversation around justice. It is always This country has had a long history of of protests to bring forth

grievances or concerns or to highlight issues in society. And so I've said as a as a advocate of our First Amendment principles and foundation, and obviously as we continue to fight for those principles here in Kentucky, protests is okay.

Peaceful protest is appropriate. Where you don't want to go is And where some of these peaceful protests can be undermined is when violence starts to bleed into those But I know the majority of people that have been involved in this process as it relates to justice and equality in our country have sincere, sincerely held beliefs. And I think it's again healthy to be a part of open and honest conversations about peace, justice and equality here in

the country. And I want to be a meaningful contributor to that conversation. Even with the fact that we've we've had this this really heart wrenching ace here in Kentucky. That's one that is a stroke fear across the nation of what could happen to another person next. If you can be in your home safely with without maybe dying. UM. So I can understand that. And I know you're talking about honesty and transparency. And I want to ask you a question about um, something uh that's been in the

news recently, or rather it happen in the news. And it's about the release of the recordings and the transcripts of the deliberations earlier this year. And I know you didn't want to release them. I'm not sure if you've released them yet or if it were it was a court order for you to release them. Why did you want to keep them? Well, this has nothing to do

with whether we wanted to keep them or not. There is a process whenever grand jury proceedings occur, those are held in secret and in confidentiality so that frank and honest conversations and questions can be asked. Uh. And it's to protect the grand jurys themselves. It's and so that

here and in cont hockey. As soon as this became apparent that there would be an open conversation in court about whether to release this information, the Kentucky prosecutors wrote a letter encouraging us and in part of the litigation, asking the judge not to hold this information or not to disclose this information to the public because of the dangerous president that it would set in opening up grand jury proceedings. That was our only interests. I have no

qualms with grand jurors speaking of about the case. Again, this was all because of the history and the precedent that would be established. Grand jury proceedings since the beginning have been held in secret, again, to protect grand jurors, to protect the information that is shared during that process. Uh. And so that was our only interest, was to to make sure that we were consistent with precedent. Uh. This judge in Lolibile had a different view of that, and

that's okay. And I don't know what this means for other cases in the future, other high profile cases. I'm not entirely sure. But if you talk to any prosecutor involved in the criminal justice system, it is it is without question that forever these proceedings have been secret and closed. And so that was our only interests was to keep with that precedent as opposed to allowing that information. All of the information is out there now and and uh,

and that is fine. And grand jeurs obviously are are allowed to speak now, which is fine as well. But the fact of the matter is is that what the grandeurs we're going to say, what's not and what was going to be released was not an issue for us. It was the process itself. Again, grand juries have been secret,

and so too. Do away with that policy or that process is pretty remarkable and unprecedented, and I don't know ultimately what the ramifications of that will be, but I know we had prosecutors not only in this office, but prosecutors across the commonalth that didn't want to see that happen. Again,

the judge made their decision. We respect that decision, and all the information is out there, but it is it was certainly consistent with the role of a prosecutor to protect the secrecy of the Grandjuri proceedings, but the judge

decided otherwise. You know, Greg Fisher, the mayor and the city that Brianna Taylor was killed back in March, declared when we recently declared racism a public health crisis and announced a plan to advance racial equality for those who live in the city of the African Americans that live

in the city. This plan includes steps to reform the city's police department, which got me to thinking would you support a federal consent decree on the police department there to have a federal monitor watch over what's going on in that police department. Well, I don't want to, you know, think about hypotheticals. I don't think it's appropriate. That is a process that is um is all handled at the at the federal level with federal U S Attorneys in

the Department of Justice. And if that was to be undertaken, and again I don't have any knowledge of that process, we would obviously again we would have no real involvement in the Department of Justice decision. But if they were to make that decision, um, you know, obviously the lm p D I mean Louisville would be required to follow it. But that is a completely separate process from the state

attorney Attorney General's office. But uh, and again I have no knowledge of any potential consent process that might be underway. Do you do you think that there should be some monitoring of the police department there? I know, consider to create I know what they do. I understand that it's a contractual piece where attorneys kind of review the operations

of the police department. For those who don't know, but do you think there's any need for any form of reform, as the Mayor say that he believes that there should be well, again that is uh. I think it's healthy to have this conversation. And I know even at the state level, there's an ongoing conversation about the warrant process and what that should look like going forward, and we

need to have these conversations. And as I've talked about, it's important for regardless of whether it's the law process or other policies and procedures that are in place, it's always healthy to have those conversations. And so I I don't know specifically what the Mayor has in mind, and again I don't know anything specific about any consent decree process that might occur out of the Department of Justice.

But we are obviously interested in seeing these conversations, whether if it's the lord process or other things continue to happen here in Kentucky and on the state level. Obviously we would you know, our session begins in January. To the extent we can be helpful in that process, we

will do so. And you know, I was a lobbyist in the state of Illinois, and we work with the Attorney General's office and the Attorney General's office sent out bills in our state capital in Springfield all the time to reform things processes that that was involved in their office and other offices as well. And you mentioned your legislation legislative session is in January next month. Do you have any policy or any bills you're gonna send down there to improve what's going on with, whether it be

police departments and law enforcements anything like that. Well, I think you know we've we've begunned those conversations. And one of the things that you know, I've talked a little bit about is the need for us to to review and consider our wark processes across the common if not just lowals specifically, and so we will continue to be engaged in that dialogue and see whether there are things

that need to be changed or should be changed. There's obviously a lot of different views and perspectives on uh no knock warrants or just other types of warrant processes that are that are that exists, and so will be a productive member of those conversations. I know some bills have already been pre filed by members of the legislature, and we will continue to monitor that and continue to you know, have our own sort of piece of the pie, if you will, in terms of the warrant process and

looking at ways, if necessary, to reform it. Okay, So if I'm hearing you, clearly, you're saying that you're going to work with legislators and perhaps offer up some policy for them to um introduce and sponsor that can change the dynamic and some of the things we're seeing in

terms of law enforcement. Is that, right? Yeah, we've been talking about here, and I don't want to get into the specific jet about a assembling a group of folks that would be led by this office to look at the war process across the Commonwealth, again not singling out any particular department, but just as part of a healthy and ongoing conversation we've been looking at, specifically in AG's office. Is how we can be a part of that conversation

and bringing in other stakeholders to help inform those conversations. Okay, Now, switching gears just a little bit, because we know the Brianna Taylor cases one chapter in a larger story, we see calls to defund the police, rioting threatening law enforcement, and certain politicians supporting the chaos and cities across the country. We also see citizens who aren't extremists and don't engage in violence, but are still concerned about the police in

this environment. What do you say to those individuals who are looking to take the law in their own hands. We've seen the protests, of course with Brianna Taylor and just African Americans like George Floyd in general. But people are going out damaging property and they're trying to take the law in their on hand because they don't believe that the elected officials who have been appointed to these positions are doing their job properly to keep people say,

what do you say these things? Well, I say violence is never the answer. And again I've I've said repeatedly that peaceful protests is a part of our republican form of government or democracy, and so we should always be sensitive to those who expressed themselves in in peaceful protests. But whether you're from the right or left, violence should

never be accepted as a part of these conversations. And so I know President Trump was very strong, strongly opposed to any violence, and I also know Joe Biden was opposed to violence as well, and anyone. Eventually he was yeah, yeah, he didn't. He didn't mention any NC like, we got to be clear about that. Eventually they started talking about it after they saw the poll numbers dip. I'm talking about Joe Biden. Then they started speaking up. So he

wasn't No, you're initially saying much of anything. Kamala Harris again bailing out those who were rioting and looting. They had her folks on her staff, had a whole fund that they were um encouraging people that contribute, contribute there there in my in my view of part of the problem. Well, they I agree with you. I think they came to the party late. I think they recognized that you cannot have a message that calls for the dismantling and defunding

of our police departments. Look, the folks that you know have the loud largest and loudest sort of microphones aren't representative of all of our communities or the thought process in our respective communities. And the fact of the matter is that a lot of folks appreciate you don't hear these voices as much, but appreciate our law enforcement community, and they're they're sacrifices that they make to to keep

us safe. And again, I understand that we have to have open and honest conversations about there are bad apples in in in our communities or in the law enforcement community or any industry. Then you need to get those folks out. By by and large, I think most respect. And yet you are exactly right that Joe Biden was late to the party and eventually recognized that he had

to speak out. Again, President Trump was very strong on this particular issue, and I think it's why it resonated with so many so many people because of the fact that you know, we cannot just disparage a whole group of citizens that day in and day out make sacrifices to keep our families home, to make sure that we can can sleep at night sadly at our homes. And so I'm in this role as as chief law enforcement officer.

You obviously you know I have to to play it down the middle in terms of any investigation that you

conduct and any prosecutions that you might pursue. And the idea that you would defund the police is just beyond me and I we cannot have a society police are not present and that police are not respected, and I think it's it's sad when you see, you know, folks on the on the left side of the aisle that are calling for this sort of this sort of idea, because again, we have to have the rule of law and we have to protect our communities and the men

and women of the thin Blue line. I have to do that daily and they should be a blotted for it. And you know what's interesting, President Obama recently said that the idea of defunding the police is basically lose your audience once you say that. And you've got people like AOC Alixander Cosco Cortez and is very much in favor

of defunding the police. And when Democrats have tried to explain it and said, no, we mean to take some of the law enforcement department funding and put it in community and programs, Kamala Hare said, let's reimagine the police, and she's pushed back and she said, no, I mean

defund the police. Exactly what that means, So putting millions of people in danger, putting people on the South Side of Chicago and other payer areas where it's extraordinarily dangerous, putting them in the been more danger and making them

potentially victims. What do you say to somebody like alc Well, it's scary when President Obama when he comes out and makes a statement of we can't you know, have these you know, grand slogans a defund the police, and he gets attacked by his own members of his own party. I mean, that's that is, in my judgment, a sign of of in many ways how far left the Democratic Party has gone, in particular as it relates to to AOC and some of the folks that subscribe to the

same value set and belief systems that she has. And and again it is I think that is part of of President Trump's the reason that he resonated with folks is that he stood and stands for the rule of law.

And uh, I'm hopeful that people, regardless of of of what the ultimate outcome of the election is, and I know there's a lot of different pieces that are involved in that, that men and women across this country will continue to respect the men and women of our thin blue line and the sacrifices that they make in protecting our communities is as you so so well stated it.

I mean, again, the people that have the largest microphones, they sometimes drown out the voices of the folks that are are getting up and going to work every day and coming home, and I want to make sure that their streets are safe and and don't want folks dying in their streets and and being murdered. They want to help help the police. And so I'm hopeful that you know, even as we move into this this next year, that folks will continue to see that really our law enforcement

community is of bright spot in our society. And they again, you can have bad apples in in any industry, in any profession. Like the folks that I know of the thin blue line, they want to keep community safe and and they risk their lives to do so. Absolutely, I

totally agree. I want to dig into that further after work from our sponsor m h and And one would argue because there's been a number of police departments that have been defunded, they've lost funding Los Angeles and a number of other New York City, a number of other large police departments, and there's been people who have been murdered because there's not been as much police presidents in areas.

So I mean, I would say that these folks blood is on aoc hands you've been leading the movement, I mean, is that something you would agree with? Well, look, I um, I certainly think that anybody who is calling for the for defunding of the police is setting a very dangerous perspective and viewpoint that can have long term ramifications and it actually hurts and hinders success and upward mobility in

those communities they think they're trying to help. And so I am completely opposed to that idea or that viewpoint that says we need a defund police because the very same communities that you know, AOC or or her folks say that they are trying to trying to help. It really is, it's counter productive and counterintuitive because these communities are some some of the communities that need this help the most. Yeah, what can be done to build more

trust between police in the black community. Well, I think that you've got to on the front end before you have these you know, high profile or very sensitive incidences. You've got to establish relationships before on the on the front end so that you can have the tough and difficult conversations when it comes to these specific cases or just how to better focus the police efforts in these particular communities. Obviously, I think recruitment is incredibly important folks

that look like the communities that they're serving. Having them in the positions of authority is important to helping establish the credibility and building stronger those relationships. But it's a you know, it is a labor of love. I think it's the best way to put it that there has to be real, real interest in establishing and investing in those relationships and not just showing up to pull somebody over, but also developing those community ties that can help even

when there are very significant and difficult situations. Well, let me ask you this this question, because I know there's been a lot of talk from activists all over, most active activists on the left people have say that they believe that America systematically racism and broken and can't be fixed.

What do you say to that America is certainly the land of opportunity and uh, you know, I'm grateful for this country and general your story and and and so many other folks story is one of upward mobility, and I hold on to belief in this is the greatest nation on the face of the planet. And you know, they are always going to be challenges. That's regardless of if you live here in any place, but this is

the best place on earth. And the idea that you know that we we we've obviously got a ways to go. I mean, I think that's always going to be true. I mean, we're always trying to perfect this union, Um, and there will always be more that we can do to to be sensitive and to be good to our neighbors, and good in our communities and good to our families.

But you know this, I whole heart to believe that this is the greatest nation on earth, and that upward mobility can occur here, can happen here as long as that as we have the we remove the barriers in our society allow people to do that. But I continue to believe that if you want to do something in this country, you can uh if you you know, have faith in the Lord, and if you you put your best foot forward and you persevere and show grit and determination,

you can do whatever you set your mind too. And and I believe that when partnering with God, it doesn't matter what the obstacle is, you will win when you're

a true partnership with God. And I appreciate that, Um, your response and certainly, although I'm not gonna say the country is systematically racist, I would say the ninety four crime bill pushed by Joe Biden absolutely was systematically So I mean, that's that's my point of view, and I know I don't have much time with you, so I want to ask my last question because there's been a lot of conversation about your political future. You spoke at

the Republican National Committee. There's been a lot of talk about you possibly being a future president, which is something I'm sure you're you're excited to hear somebody who's a first term in the office you're in. What is the future like for you? Because people say you might replace the Senator McConnell and the Senate, maybe run for governor. And I know your response is gonna be, well, I'm focused on my job, but what with those that's the

typical politicians. But as my friend get about the microphone and what are your thoughts? Well, Jeah, look, I I'll be honest with you. You know, I'm here my my first year. It has been a eventful and busy year, and so thinking beyond at this point seems overwhelming. I'm honestly very h you know, obviously very grateful for the opportunity to have to speak at the Republican National Convention, and yeah, what I what I hope it did was

a couple of things. One that if you look like me, and I know Representative Electric Powen's and others would Senator Scott others would say this as well, that if you look like me, I hope you recognize that there is there is room for you in the Republican Party, and that you recognize that this party was founded for the very um for the very reason of ending slavery in this country. And so yeah, and so I hope people that look like me recognize that at least be open

to the idea of of the Republican Party. And then the other thing I am grateful that it gave me an opportunity to do is just to say really thank you to you know, my my parents who raised me to talk about the common values in our communities and the role in importance of faith in our communities, and that grateful for the work that President Trump has done over the last four years. Too. We talk about upward

mobility and how important that is. And so I again I was thankful for the opportunity to speak there and to to share my perspective on on what the Republican Party means to me and what it is and and it's future. And again, UH, at this point, I'm just focused on getting out of and and in getting to one in terms of the A. G. S off us in this space. And and we're doing some really good

and meaningful work here. Obviously, we've had some pro high profile matters as it relates to COVID nineteam and and Brianna Taylor investigation. But we've also established really for the first time, a new child abuse prosecutorial tool kit to help our prosecutors across the Commonwealth fight child abuse. And we've taken some very meaningful steps in fighting human trafficking here in Kentucky as well. And so there's a lot

of great work that's left to be done here. Unfortunate and honored to be the first African American independently elected to statewide office here in Kentucky and to be the fifty first Attorney in general UH and to fight and stand up for folks rites. So it is this is an incredibly important office, a lot of important decisions as evidence by UH some of the stuff that's happened over the last year come across this desk, uh and I'm

just grateful to serve in this capacity. And we'll see ultimately what the Lord has in store down the road. But but my my my focus is on is on and the rest of this year and then seeing what exciting things we can do in the A G. S Office in Kentucky. Come one, Well, I thank you for your time today. I know this wasn't a softball interview because people really want to know what's going on with

the case and it is handled fairly. They want to make sure that justice is done and actually know that there's a federal investigation still ongoing, so we'll wait for the details on that. But thank you again for spending time with me here at out Allowed with Giano Caldwell, and we'll continue to monitor what's going on with you. Thank you so much. All right, thanks brother. I want to thank Daniel Cameron for coming on and speaking with

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