A New Generation, with Representative-Elect Madison Cawthorn

Is that how you pronounce your last time? Carthorne? Gianno, that's how you pronounce it. But man, it's weird not seeing you with the Fox News blog more than the ankle. Well, welcome to Allow with Gianno called one and I think I'm pronouncing that right. It's not that often that we get super inspiring young leaders of the generation of the concern pervative movement who happens to be the youngest member elect or congressman elect in modern history. So thank you

for coming. And I'm sure you get plenty of platitudes on a day to day basis, but it's certainly an honor to be on with you. Well, you know, I gotta say, man, it's great to be on with you. I think you're a real h just a real culture changer, because, you know, I feel like there's the policy battle that needs to be fought to make sure that there's a this radical wish list of the Democrats have been trying to push through for the last few few decades doesn't

come to fruition. But furthermore, I think the more important battle right now is the culture battle because many people, and I'm sure you've seen this in our generation. You know, most people have conservative belief but as soon as you label something Republican or Democrats, they freak out and they go very, very far left. And so thank you for finding that cultural war. You know, you're absolutely correct. Now, I want to ask you, it's been a world win.

You won an election. A lot of people thought you weren't going to win, but you you push back and you kept moving forward and certainly you prevailed. So now you've done orientation for Congress and you just got back from that. How are you doing these days? Man? I gotta tell you, my life could not be much better. You know, I got my wedding coming up this spring. I'm squaring in on January three. Uh So, just two major major things that are going on in my life

coming up. And you know, I get to go Christmas cheer years everywhere. Everybody's happy, my my family is healthy. Couldn't ask for much more, I gotta tell you, Gianna, I did gain a lot of weight on a lot of barbecues. Go aside from that, I'm doing great. Barbecue isn't a bad thing in my view, Manfred, I appreciate

that that kind of weight is great. So for the viewers who may not be familiar with you, and I'm sure it's probably like one or two, but everybody else knows who you are because you're legitimately a rock star. And we thank you for joining us today. Can you walk us through your upbringing and what led you to pursue a career in politics. Absolutely so. I found out pretty young that I was an abnormality because I was raising the household where Paul Ticks were talked about very

often around the dinner table. You know, it was very much probably you know, if it wasn't every night of the week, it is probably five nights of the week. We were just talking about the current events that were going on and my parents wanted to get our opinions. They weren't trying to sway us one way or the other. But you know, they'd answer our questions that we have. And I always say I was raised on push up some proverbs, so real good Southern discipline. But you also

have the good word. You got some wisdom portant be important to your life from great mentors, great parents. I got one of the best older brothers you could ever have, And you know, all of those things kind of formed in me, this this person who refused to give up, someone who always wanted to push on and fight hard. Little did I know that was gonna serve me very well, because when I was eighteen years old, I stepped into a car, and I did not know that was gonna

be the last step I ever took. Yeah, I want a road trip. One of my best friends. I got a pool right scholarship to NC State. I've been just been nominated by my congressmen to go to the Naval Academy. Wait and hear word back from them, and then you know, I'm on this road trip. I'm taking a nap in the passenger seat and or whatever reason. In the middle of the day, my best friend fell asleep behind the wheel. We run headlong into a concrete barricade and car goes

up in flames. My my buddy was able to get out, help get me out. But you know, the next thing I know, I wake up in a hospital. I think my legs, my left arms paralyzed. I can't even speak severe internal believing. But in the ICU for months and all of that, really I didn't realize that, you know, all of the time that I had been growing up.

You know, I'm very a devout Christians, so I had topic a lot saying, you know, God, why did you give me these attributes of a warrior when really you know I exist in an era of peace and a prosperity. You know, I feel like these actually would serve me well if I was born and you know the nineteen thirties fight in World War Two. But you know, this is the greatest era of peace and prosperity of the

world has ever known. But little did I know that those actually serve me very well going through that ordeal, because you know, Jis, I'm sure you can imagine it taught me one perseverance. You know, no matter what you face in life, you've got to stick keep your head now, keep moving through it. Because just like we know, the good days don't laugh, the bad days don't laugh either, And you can turn an obstacle to a steppings film.

But really, the thing that my accident really taught me because it was a recovery of over a year that I was in the hospital, but it taught me. It taught me an interesting lesson because after that year was out, my very first outing out of that hospital was to a professional baseball game with my older brother. You know, he kind of but kind of jail broke me out of that hospital, got me in the car, and we went to the ball game. We lost, and we went

down seeing the Atlanta Raids. But man, when I rolled into that stadium, just in this huge crowd of people, although you'd never see that now, dear in COVID, which is just I can't imagine what that's like. You. I rolled into that that crowd, and I used to be six foot three, used to be two two twenty five pounds. I had the world on my fingertips, everything I wanted I can do, and then you know, I wrote in that crowd and I was invisible. Nobody nobody, nobody knew

who I was. I just I felt like I was left behind by society and so interesantly enough this accident, which you know obviously teaches you perseverance, strength, stick tuitiveness, it also taught me empathy, you know, I know it taught me that, you know, we don't all come from the exact same background, and that can really affect how

you outlook on life. Wow. And you know, I say wow uh in this moment because I think it's such an inspiring story to have come through though that great tragedy, if you will, and and really bring about something that's so positive and optimistic, and certainly you being a believer, I think it helps with that. And I'm glad you mentioned proverbs. I'm a big fan of Proverbs Proverbs three,

four or five and six. Stressing a log with all your heartening not to your own understanding, and all your ways acknowledge him, and he share the direct your path. So that's that's amazing. Now I want to know how did this accident inform your approach to politics? You know what, I would say that what it did, it didn't really change any of my beliefs when it comes to politics.

But yeah, we just had this this conversation about empathy, and it made me realize that a lot of the ways that the conservative leaders for really the past two or three decades have been messaging our beliefs aren't saying them in a way that makes other people understand them and feel good about them. You know, you can look at somebody and say, you know, people have two equals four.

But you know, if you if you give the backstory to why these twos came together, if you you explain to them, you know, the relationship that was built, it makes people buy into what you believe. You know. Unfortunately, we live in a culture where you know, everybody like

the underdog story. Everybody likes to believe in something. And you know, I think a lot of people, and you know, the millennial and the gen Z generation, unfortunately they want to vote for what feels good, whereas Republicans and a lot of our our predecessors that we now stand on the shoulders of they voted for what actually did good.

But so I think we need to find a way to have a marriage of the two to where we can message our beliefs to say, hey, we believe that we need to have a limited government and here's why. And so I think that's that's something that's really been appealing about this kind of movement for these young Republicans that are coming out, people like you, people like you know, Paulina Roginal Handley. So it really incredible young people who are stepping up to take on this mantle of conservative messaging.

I think Dan Crenshaw does a good job with it. And so I think I would say that's the way that my accident reinformed my my my politics the most. Okay, now, you've been talking quite a bit about being the leader, one of the leaders of the young generation and saying that you think that things need to change in terms of the GOP, and I'm just intrigued to know what lessons do you take from the aftermath of the election in terms of the direction you'd like to see the

Republican Party and Conservatives in general pursue. Uh. You know, the biggest one is I believe a lot of our elected officials on the Republican side. Uh. And you know, obviously there's a major problem of these career politicians existing on the left. But the biggest way I'd want to change Republican politics is to get rid of these career politicians, for people to go to Washington, d c. And practice what they preach. You say you want to balance budget,

then stop spending my tax dollars so frivolously. You'd say that you want to have you want to, you know, be the party of values, be the party of convictions. Then define what you believe in and actually stand up for. Don't just don't just kind of cower down to the mob and concede and capitulate every chance to get you know, I think Donald Trump did a really great job of messaging the people that hey, the Republican Party is gonna stand up and fight. But unfortunately the term GOP and

the term Republican, it's been altered its true meaning. And when when people think about that, they think of people who speak out two sides of their mouth. And so I think that's the biggest thing that we need to change, is just be a party that practices what we preach. If we really want a limited government, let's actually push for a limited government. Can you think of an example

as to something maybe within the party. And I'm not here to say, like, okay, things in the GOP are just so horrendous that everything needs to change, not at all. But from your point of view, what would you advocate that needs to be changed the Republicans aren't doing in the right right part of your opinion, Well, you say

you want to limit a government. I'm talking. Can you know to the GOP at large you say you weren't a limited government, but yet for you know, the past few decades, you want to get involved in every single social issue that comes up. I know a lot of people to find the abortion as a social issue. I don't define that as as a social issue whatsoever. I think that's a matter of life and death, and so I think that's something that the government should be involved in.

But aside from that, let's truly be the party of freedom if it and this kind of leans a little bit towards kind of more of a rampat Republican, but if what somebody is doing doesn't directly hurt somebody else, then get the hands off. Let's let's pull the federal government out of this, and so truly be the party of freedom, the one that people say, hey, we're gonna we're not gonna spend your tax dollars previously, we're not

gonna get involved with your life. We're gonna give you extreme security, and we're gonna let you live your life on your own terms. And I think that's the way that the GOP should be messaging. I think it's the way the GOP should be thought of. It should be the party of freedom, not the party of no. Okay. And and to that point you just mentioned in terms of if you're doing something that's not hurting someone else,

leave it be. Are you for decriminalizing cannabis? Absolutely, I am, you know, I we just uh, you know, Matt Gates actually stood up and spoke on behalf of a Democratic bill trying to get it through Congress, which yes, indeed, yes, indeed. Now, the one thing I didn't like about that is that it happened to involve some pieces that that created new taxes. But aside from that, you know, I think we do need to decriminalize cannabis. Okay. Have you ever had any

experience with cannabis? If I may ask, you know what I did? Yeah, it was over in Amsterdam where it was legal, you know, but I figured at one point I was like, I want to have an opinion on this. I figure I give it a shot. But it was you know, I'll tell you I've never heard of somebody, you know, getting high on cannabis or using it for medical reasons and then wanting to go beat your wife.

Uh contrarly though. You hear about alcohol abuse all the time, and then that leads to you know, angry drunks at least these people who make terrible decisions. And so you know, if we're going to have alcohol I legal in this country, I think marijuana might as welcome to I agree. I want to pick up from there, but here's the word for my sponsor, don't go away. I think that you're absolutely correct, and I come from a family this battle dediction and drug use and and those kind of things.

But I do think that cannabis should be decriminalized. So I agree with you on that. Now you've argued in favor of several reforms on how Congress operates, including imposing term limits on members of Congress. Can you walk us through what issues are more important to you as you prepare to take office and why you think that's so vital? Absolutely, you know, I think there's the kind of generational threats

that Americans face. Uh, you know, in Word War two, it was the Nazis in Germany, which fortunately we're able to overcome that dead, terrible evil. For the next generation, it was the Russians and the threat that they posed, you know, and then you know, I was in a millennial generation, it was the Taliban, it was Islamic extremist militants.

But really I feel like the really large general sational threat that my generation is gonna face and for the next you know, probably forty sixty years, it's gonna be China. And so one of the number one things I want to focus on is how we conduct our foreign policy because you know, if we continue to offshore our manufacturing jobs or textile meals, you know, are critical infrastructure components, whether that's our telecoms, satellites, or whether that's you know,

it's pharmaceutical drugs. I find out until when the coronavirus hit, when my heart medicaged him with late getting to my house, that my pharmaceuticals are are created in China and then they're shipped award. I just feel like that's sharpening the store that could one baby used to kill us, you know, were we were attacked with the virus, Imagine if we were attacked with the real war, they would have a

night do our throats. So one of my number one priorities is going to be standing up for China on behalf of the United States. I think that is had had off sincerely because I think that China has become

much more of an issue than people realize. And everyone knows that China wanted to have an echo economic superiority to the United States, and governors and local elected officials all over the country has helped propel that by virtue of the closing down the economy, continuously putting small businesses out of business. So I applaud that, and I I hope you succeed on that front. I think that would be amazing because they absolutely need to be stood up to.

Now do you think Eric Swalwell, someone who's um had a close relationship with the Chinese spy, do you think he should be taking off the Intel Committee? Is that like one of those things that the Party and geoo. Absolutely, I cannot believe that Nancy Flogal still has him on the Intelligence Committee. It's absolutely mind boggling. We don't know how how much information he shared with this with this

female spy. We don't know if he's if he's personally has blackmail against him to where he can act on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party. Uh. And you know, one I was surprised to find out that he actually had a girlfriend. Uh to find out this on our Intel Committee, you know, trapesing around with a Chinese operator. You know that that's one of the largest security risk I could ever imagine. You know, the the Intel Committee, for those of you that don't know, meets thirty feet

below ground in an air gap bunker. The only way you can know what happens inside of that committee room is if you hear it from a committee member. Well, the Chinese get his party and said, okay, well, you know what, turns out one of our spies is dating one of those congressmen. Uh. And now we have Nancy Pelosi's just sitting on our hands saying, you know what, Eric, you stay on that Intel Committee. That is a national

security threat. Yeah, I would agree with that. Now I'm I'm looking forward to seeing what's gonna happen with that because Democrats, especially someone like Swawell, who's four years of investigation, conspiracy theories and flat outlawes. Now he's getting a piece of his own medicine, and he honestly should say, hey, considering what's going on, I'm gonna come off that committee just so there can be an investigation and clear me

if he's innocent and go from there. I think that would be the right thing to do, especially all the things he said about Donald Trump for the last four years. That would be the patriotic thing to do, That would be the mature thing to do. But you know, that's not something that we normally associate with our elected politicians. Hopefully the generation of conservatives that are coming up can change that perception of people's minds. Yeah, I agree with that. Now,

let me ask you this question. You face scrutiny among many in the media for what they deemed to be a white supremacist view. I know people you've talked about this a lot um and it was with regards to an Instagram post you made about visiting the Eagles Nest, a Nazi compound in Germany. What's your response to these kinds of allegations? So my number one responses, You know, Ji,

I don't know. If you watch the HBO theories Band of Brothers, it's all about easy company fighting World War two and kind of followed, you know Captain Rivers as he goes through, you're really just entire war. It's an incredible series. Encourage all you watch it. But you know, I come from a long line of people who've served in the military. So that was a show we commonly

walked in our house every few years. And the way that show ends, it's easy company still brating their victories, and it's an iconic photo of them smoking cigars, and that we're in the humor door of the Nazis at the Eagles thatst celebrating and so where they declared victory over the Nazis. And so you know when people just say that they thought that I was celebrating Nazis and

going there, that's that's absolutely incorrect. I was there as an American speaking English, someone in a wheelchair rolling across these these floors, someone that the Nazis would have had put to death, celebrating having a good time with my older brother. And so you want to tell me that that makes me some kind of a Nazi sympathizer, That makes me someone who celebrates American dominance in World War Two.

We've defeat one of the greatest evils the world has ever known, and so I think that makes me the exact opposite of a Nazi sympathizer. That makes me someone who would fight against the Nazis willingly any day. So in that case, you were celebrating the fact that America one exactly means where we declared victory over them. There it's a pretty legendary spot. I'll send you a picture that we're all smoking cigars. I'm a huge cigar enthusiast. That's something I wanted to do myself, but it was.

It's it's sad that the media can take someone who is objectively not racist. Now I'm getting there to a viracial young lady, and so my children are going to be biracial, So that you're telling me that my future children, I'm gonna have some kind of disdain for it. It's absurd.

So I believe that our media today, because it's so focused on profits and driving up there's clicks so they can get more money and please their their their their overlords, that has created this this tendency to create sensationalized news whether it's true or not, and really damaging to our republic. Well, you're a Republican, so therefore you must be a racist.

I mean, that's that's that's the narrative, and it's not even for me like I might I might sound like I'm joking on that front, but truthfully, I grew up on the South Side of Chicago believing that everybody who was a Republican was a racist because that's what everyone was taught. And then you research the history and you find out none of this is true, is all propaganda, And then you see Democrats have used this year after year,

decade after decade as a tool the smere Republicans. So I'm sure this won't be your last experience with with that, considering what they've been willing to do in other cases. So switching gears a little bit. COVID nineteen has obviously shut down the country. People have died, a lot of people have been sick. What response or what changes would you'd like to see in terms of how COVID response is being carried out across the country. Yeah, I gotta

take my hand off to Donald Trump. You know, he as someone really walks what he talks, and you know, Republicans consistently talk about having deregulation and what we saw Operation Warps be this this mission this operation that the President had administrated. It was a removal a lot of the regulations that are in place, you know, in form of the FDA, these three better agencies who rule our lives.

It was these these regulations that really tie the hands of these pharma studental companies from being able to quickly produce an antidote to what COVID Night Team was. So with operation work speed then being able to get this vaccine done in record time. I think it's an absolute testament to one that Donald Trump will have the right idea of deregulation and two that deregulation is the right move in a free market society. Uh. And so I

think it's being carried out very well. Fortunately. You know what, A lot of people want to look at the number of cases. That's one. You know, as someone who spent a lot of time in the hospital, I I understand suffering, and I feel for people who have to suffer through that. I have a lot of friends who got it themselves.

But you know what, the number that I am more focused on is fatality rate, and that fatality rate has stayed consistently below one per cent almost for the entire duration of COVID nineteen, not a single person in the United States that needed a ventilator went without a ventilator. And so I tip my hat to people like you must people like Donald Trump who really got this job done for Americans all across the countries. Absolutely, I want

to discuss that further, but let's take a quick break. First, stay with us, everyone, And to continue on that note, a COVID vaccine is on the horizon. When you advocate for his distribution, how do you plan to balance the needs of your constituents versus the needs of everyone else? You know what I mean? The needs of everyone else is great all but I represent people western North Caroline, so I will do whatever I can to make sure that they have the better in this day, Okay, and

and that's that's what we expect. So thank you for that. That responds. Now here's an interesting one because I had um someone that you know very well. She's a fellow North Carolinian and her name is Lord Trump. She was she's been on this show, and she discussed, well I discussed with her, and we actually ended up breaking news. The possibility of running for Senate in your home state in two could you, Congressman elect? Could you see yourself supporting her if the time were to come. You know,

I think Lord Trump is incredible. I think she would be an incredible senator. I she loves this state. She knows the counties, intrigrating. We have a hundred counties in North Carolina. She knows every single one of them by names. She knows the intricate details of the inner workings of each of these counties. I think she'd do a great job. My number one guiding principal, although is a number my My number one priority in life, in virtue is loyalty.

There was a good congressman, Mark Walker, who really supported me all throughout my primary campaign. And he was really backed me and got me through the very vicious primary. But I know he is running for senator, and so I will be supporting him. But you gotta I will tell you my hat is off for Lord Trump and I I if she happens to be our nominee, I will be behind her. I think she'd make an incredible senator. But as of right now, I'm I'm behind Mark Walker. Okay,

Now I understand that completely. That's the speaking of the Trump's president. Donald Trump is certainly a fighter and I can't imagine him continuing or not continuing into every every court challenge is made, and we'll see what happens. What do you think about a Joe Biden administration? What would you expect to see from that if he if he were to be victorious, rather if the court challenges don't

stand up. I'll tell you, I hope I'm on the oversight committee so I can really rip into his administration because I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of quid pro quo. I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of the old boys Club. I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of it. Really kind of going back to the policies of Barack Obama, where you're, you know, you see the world leader of the United States of America bowing down to other world leaders. That's something that I think

is just is despicable. That's something that I don't ever want to see America have to do. And so I am going to hope that we're not gonna have to have that Joe Biden presidency. But if we do, you know what, I think that his administration is just going to be filled with, you know, a return to the status quo of Washington, d C. And that's something I think that it is detrimental to America as a whole. Okay, very good. Now let me ask you this, what's kind

on the plan for you? Because Congress? I mean you're you're the youngest person to actually be in Congress in modern history. You actually just turned twenty five, which is the required age to be in Congress. So I'm just so intrigued if you if you're starting the bar here, I mean where to next? I mean president or governor or what what are you thinking us in it? Well, I will tell you my only goal right now. I will serve until I get term limits on Congress. That's

my main mission. If I achieve that, I think I'll be happy going back home and raise my family. But I'll tell you you know, I'm here right now to focus on serving the people western North Carolina. If if later, way way later in life, I would love to get to lead the state of North Carolina as it's as its servant as governor. But that that's something way down the road. And I uh, I think that the duty of president, that's them that's got to be ordained by God.

So I won't even speak into that that that's that's a hectic job. Man. You see all these presidents who go in looking like young men and they come out as withered. And so I don't know if I want that. No, And I tell you, I want to thank you for your for your service, and certainly for being an individual that a lot of people can look up to, whether they be young or old. I think your story is one that's truly inspiring and is one that a lot of folks in the media, including myself and many others,

will be paying attention to for years to come. I mean you, you're going to be taking this spot which AOC recently held as the youngest member of Congress, and she's been kind of leading the charge for the Democrats on that side. How how will you combat that? Well, you know, when I see her, I'm gonna ask, I mean, is there like is there a handy off process, is

it a plaque? Is it like like a small metal I don't know what example for being youngest and Congress is, but I will tell you you know, she has been a ferocious fighter on behalf of the Democrats. She started a superPAC called Justice Democrats, which that's the reason you've seen the squad's numbers increased throughout the election cycle. But I will tell you that's it's got to be fought very,

very ferociously from our side. You know, you've got people like Morgan Seekers, who runs the the organization Young Americans Against Socialism, and I think that is so critical. I look forward to, you know, fighting alongside Morgan fighting against this the socialist policies because you know what, of course we want everybody to have health care. Of course we want everybody taking care of and have a high standard of living. Unfortunately, we live in reality, and unfortunately those

things cost money. And unfortunately, when you start giving health care to every single person, eventually you run out of other people's money to spend, and therefore you were going to have to start ration and care and that's something

we can't have in this country. So, you know, as AOC has been kind of leading the charge on her behalf, I I really do want to help be a servant to the American people and lead the charge of the Conservatives to say, hey, let reigin government back in, let's reduce these three letter agencies and let's make America work for us again. Absolutely, and on a last note, what advice would you give to a young person who would

like to one day run for office? So I will tell you, uh to that young person, when you sign up to run for office, when you're going around doing your stump speeches, you're going to your local go ops. You're going to have people who have been involved in kind of politics in your area for a long time approach you, and they are going to say these words. You know, I love your zeal, I love your fight, I love all your values. But it's just not your time.

You know you're too young. You need to wait in line, you need to pay your dues. To that, I say, screw that. Who who the hell are we in line behind? And whoever is not doing a very good job. So I encourage any patrie, no matter of your age, stand up and fight for your country. If you want to support term limits, if you want to support making Congress work for the American people again, and I'm limiting our federal government, I will support you. I will come to

bat for you, and I will fight for you. So I encourage you in this upcoming cycle stand up and and and try and get elected. And I know that very well. The wait your turn kind of lingo and certainly I've not waited my turn. You gotta go and take your tone or at leather created is there anything

else you want to say? Congressman elect Well, Gianna, you know, I think that if you and I are the future of the Republican Party, it's gonna be one that's ferocious and one that does it back down, because I've got to say, you are very problematic as that Rob smith leone would say to the tow to the the integrity of the Democrats message of them really saying that they own the black vote, you know where Joe Biden really says, if you're not voting for me, then you ain't black.

But brother, you are probably one of the as I said, if we're not seeing you on Fox News, you're one of the most articulate people I've ever met or ever heard speaking. You carry our message and I really are are our standard, very very well. And so I'll tell you I think that you're going to be a thorn on the side of this uh these our left socialists for a very long time. Wow, I tell you this an honor to get those words. And so Condie, thank you so much. I appreciate you uh, Congressman Alex soon

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