Short chat with The Cap

The uh two little kids and an actor named Vic Morrow died. The fucking a helicopter uh Uh they were using too many of too many special effect explosives. Mm-hmm. And the helicopter was flying really low because the director was telling it, Go lower, go lower and one of those um explosions Uh I don't know what I don't know if it like freaked the helicopter pilot out or if it actually, you know, caused a little explosion in the helicopter, but the thing

flipped upside down. Or not upside down, but kind of came down forward. Oh. And cut a couple of cut Vic Murray's head off and cut another little kid's head off and then landed on the other little kid. God damn. Holy shit, man. But uh You've never heard of that story, you should look it up. It's incredibly interesting. What's the what's it called? Hmm.

It's called um well it was they made a movie uh called the Twilight Zone movie in the eighties. Mm-hmm. And it's actually a really good movie, but it's one of those movies that don't be really Like nobody really talks about it anymore, but it's kind of a uh it's kind of like a like creep show. It's kinda like creep show. Oh okay, okay, I get ya. Where you have like these four or five different little homework stories, but it's the Twilight Zone, right? Mm-hmm.

But what's crazy is they made a movie uh Steam that they had already filmed with that guy Vic Morrill for that particular episode. And I think they actually left that helicopter part out, obviously,'cause they didn't have the footage, but um When they were filming they were filming this this guy's like a racist, right? He he's he uh the Twilight Because he's such a racist. Like he's in a bar and he's he's being really loud and talking.

to his buddies about you know, it's all the black people and blah blah blah, just all this horrible shit, you know. He He go he goes out of the bar like to go home and when he opens the door he's in suddenly he's in See Germany. Oh sure. Yeah, one of those kind of like chirp out kind of head fuck things. Yeah. And so I guess he the scene was is he was gonna be like a uh some he was gonna he they turned him into a Vietnamese guy in during the Vietnam War.

And um that was what they're they were filming it like he was he was with these little kids. Uh and yeah, it's the trip, man. You gotta watch the movie.

Yeah, I'm about to check that out, man. Yeah, fucking, what was I going to say? So, yeah, dude, last week, right? Hang on, one second. Well but don't worry about me. Go ahead, I'm sorry, buddy. Oh d if you have to go bro, I can uh you know we can do this another time. You good? I'm good. Alright.

Alright man, I just don't want to keep you if you guys have been going on or something. Yeah, I know, man. I just um my friend Richard's over here we're we're uh watching YouTube videos and bullshit, but he's he's fun. Oh, okay. Alright man, we'll we'll make this podcast short, I got ya. Fucking uh what was I gonna say? Uh yeah, so last week bro, it's Tuesday. I'm like, alright, we take off

We're making good time bro. I'm like right outside of St. George. I'm like right on the borderline of St. George in Washington, Utah. Yeah, Washington County. Yeah, so like maybe like five miles before Washington, I notice my p tire pressure goes from like thirty eight to twenty eight and I'm like, huh, it's not that cold outside. So I'm driving and then I see it go down two more.

I'm like, huh. Then I see it keep going down, I'm like, fuck, my tire blew out. Sure enough, man, my tires blew out. So I'm like, fuck. Uh hopefully there's like a twenty four hour place, like I don't know, one of those like I don't know, fucking mechanics that'll come to you and like fucking replace the tires shit, you know? Right. So I'm looking around and the closest one is fucking Vegas. Like they had tons of'em in Vegas. Like twenty-four hours, like your tire blows out, we got you.

Don't even trip, we'll come to you, we'll put the new tire on, we'll just a we'll ask you what size the tire is, bah we got you, you know? Right. So I'm like, fuck man, I'm like a hundred and forty miles from Vegas. I'm like, God damn it. So I'm sitting there fucking talking to my insurance and they're like, okay, we can tow you, but you can't get it fixed till the morning. Oh my goddamn.

Yeah dude and then like I'm like fuck man I still gotta pay for gas I'm like fuck this I'm just gonna go back home So then on Sunday the Jacob's like Yeah Jacob's like fuck this let's go to let's go to Mesquite for a night Like let's just go chill. I was like... Alright.

Fuck. I'm well might as well go to Vegas. That's when I was like, that's why I hit you up. I'm like, fuck where you at? That's when you told me you were Yeah, yeah, but we're actually planning on we're planning on going out to Vegas in like June. So Cool. Yeah, but yeah. man that just kinda it like it like it killed the whole vibe dude'cause we were we were like in Saint George in I wanna say it was like it was like seven PM and uh I was like fuck dude like we were gonna stop by

I was about to hit you up, be like, hey man, let's grab a quick drink. But then that bullshit happened, so I was like, Fuck. But yeah. Oh man. What a buzz kill. Yeah, this shit was as useless as the fucking Utah fucking DA B C liquor laws and shit. I was like, God damn. But I remember I remember when I first used uh moved to use uh Me and my wife at the time we were we went out to Wendover and she had bought a you've been out to Windover probably, huh? Yeah.

So she we had just bought an uh uh Oldsmobile Bravana. Which was uh you know, it's like a fancy blazer or a jimmy or something like that. Aho kind of thing. And um the we get out there and this thing it just gone past a its warranty. And We uh we get up the next morning to go home and there was some computer glitch on it where it wouldn't release the parking brake. And we had we had uh driven maybe ten miles out of town and so we ended up having to get some guy from Salt Lake to come tow it.

Oh yeah, You know, which is what a hundred and twenty miles or something? Yeah. That sucked so bad, man. It was like a thousand dollar total. Uh brutal. We were just like, we were so fun. Fucking cruise. That fucked man. And then it was a thousand dollar tow and then it ended up costing like four hundred bucks to fix it and Fuuu. But I'm good at pain now. Yeah man, I was just like. I mean it was kind of my fault too. I sh I should have went out. It was one of those things where like

You know when you take one of those trips where you're like, eh, I'm just gonna go and hang out, I'm not really trying to spend a lot of money, so I'll only take like two or three hundred bucks with me, you know? Yeah. It was one of it it was one of those stupid ass moments I had and then when I realized I'm like fuck I should have bought more money.

I'm like I need I have I'm like I have the money but I have to go home and get it, so I still have to go home. I'm like, you know what, maybe it's a sign just to go home, you know? So Yeah, like fucking Jacob. Yeah, Jacob was all pissed off. He's all man, fuck this He's all go across the street and go to Jack in the Box before you go home. I was like, Alright, go do your thing, man.

But uh Yeah, fucking uh What was I gonna say, uh la la la la la Oh so I've been trying to um I got that spokio finally dude so I'm like using it and shit. And uh what did that I actually uh was able to get a hold of uh post Malone. Oh, both smallone, right? Yeah, and uh So I was like I hit him up and he was like Like who is this? And I was like, Hey man, just a regular spic that lives in Utah you know, I kinda like explained the situation to him.

And he was like, Yeah and he's like if you ever he's like he was like if you're near Conwood Heights like He goes, I don't know, like I'd be willing to do it. So if it'd help you out, you know, he's all I'm just kinda busier. I'm like, I get it.

Well, I didn't have to meet you up. Like if you're just down to do a telephone interview, like Yeah, he g he gave me like his info for his people and shit to like talk to them and then like I I was kinda like trying like uh I don't know how much it would be, you know, like to talk to him. So I need to talk to his people just to like see how the fuck that'll be down, but yeah man, I was just like fuck and then I tried calling Snoop Dogg but it went to voicemail and I was like alright

I'cause remember that story you told me when you you and you all your kids called Snoop. And I was like Yeah, I was like, Fuck. Yeah he said something like I he they had it on the speaker phone and he said something like who does I'm like those girls start freaking out and be like, wait, what that actually That's funny man.

Yeah, I was surprised dude like it when he said hello and um it took me like two seconds to like actually respond to him and he was like hello and I was like oh shit And I even told him like I didn't think you were actually gonna pick up the phone and he started laughing. And he's like are using that fucking Spokio bullshit. I was like, Yeah.

Alright. So I could tell he was kinda Yeah, he was kinda like uh he was kinda I think he was Yeah, I think he was a little annoyed and I was like, you know what, let me let me break the ice, let me let me just kinda tell him why I'm hitting him up and Yeah. That's when he's like, if you want to do this shit in person, he's like bring a twenty four pack of butt light. I'll say if that's all if that's all it's gonna take, then fuck it, I'll bring you two, fuck.

But man. You should take him up on that man. That's amazing. Yeah. Like I was dude, I was like in awe for like a few days, man, because I was just like, what the fuck? Like And um I've been trying to like talk to other people too, just some people haven't just answered back or you know, they just keep going to voicemail. But um like I was I was just bored, I fucking called out Pacino, but he didn't answer. I was like alright Yeah.

Oh yeah, okay. Yeah, I was just like Huh I was like, Yeah, let me talk to the devil's advocate. But he wasn't answering bro, so I was like fuck it.

Yeah, you know, I it you gotta you you got some brass balls. call those people man, I I love it. Well, I mean fun, bro, like I don't know, like'cause I I'm not gonna lie to you, man, like I'm not the best at uh public speaking, you know? Like not even public speaking, but just like initiating a conversation with somebody. I've al I've always been the type to like

I'm just kinda quiet. I'll keep to myself and then once someone actually like talks to me then I'll I'll go I'll start. But I'm not one I'm not one to like initiate the conversation, you know? So like with this whole podcasting I'm like I have to break that if I want to get anywhere with it. I have to like Like be the one to put in the initiative'cause ain't nobody gonna come fucking hit me up like, Hey man, what's up? Like, no.

Maybe. Maybe but like not those type of people which is fine but I need to break that ice and I need to fucking, you know, just start taking the initiative and actually doing it so I figured what the fuck. The worst it can say is no. Like I that's what you thought. That's it. That's it. I mean if you can get past the you know, the worst thing they do is say Yeah, exactly. I remember like Like like you, for example, like

Just seeing you actually like be persistent with like sh situations and like you won't stop until you get it, you know what I'm saying? Uh like Yeah, I'm I I'm like that with certain things like you know, like work and shit, but like when it comes to like initiating a conversation or things like that, like before I was like ah fuck you. They said no.

But you're like, nah nah, fuck it. There there's a way around it. Let's try it. Like when we went to um When we were in American Fork and we w we went inside the Domino's and you're like, Hey man

Let me go on top of the roof and fucking film something. And like all those kids were like, Yeah and you're like, Alright, fuck you kids And like you just had like you were about to go up there and you're like eh, maybe I shouldn't I was like fuck it You got some balls, you know, like you gotta just Yeah, you just gotta take the initiative and sh Like when you went to that fucking therapist office. That masseuse.

And you you were like, What day he's like, Oh come back when you're not here and you're like, Yeah, we sure will I was like, Fuck yeah. No, yeah, he was a kind of a kind of a hardcore Mormon looking kid. Yeah. He was he wasn't into our little shenanigans. Some people are you know. Yeah, you just gotta you just gotta be brave and go for it, you know. Um but you know it's funny you I find myself the only time I really do it is like I'm in that mode, you know.

Like if if you were somebody that I knew some information I'm gonna pester you with until you die until you or until you talk to me. Yeah. But it's gotta be something I really want though.

But I don't know. It's fun. You end up talking to some pretty cool people so Exactly, and then like you like say you actually like I mean you you start off with them as uh you know like busin I don't want to say business friendships but like business associates like on a business level that's how you met each other but then the

Eventually like say maybe they're cool enough with them and they're pretty cool people, you know. Like what's his like what's his name, uh I mean I don't know if you know him but uh that cat that brought uh the car off of Bundy? Oh yeah, uh Brian. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure you became like I wanna say you became best friends with him, but I'm pretty sure you got to know the guy after talking to him. Yeah, for sure Don't yeah, I'd consider Brian a friend

Very very cool guy. Yeah. And uh anytime like like he's done things like some people came in into town from Australia and they wanted to meet him. Mm and I called him up and he was he was I'm happy to come hang out with him to the bar. Hung out with us, you know. He's a really cool guy. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, there's all kinds of situations like that. Um, I always thought it was a little sometimes calling some of the hardcore law enforcement guys could be a little trippy. Yeah. Uh like I remember I I called this guy named Rick Bullock one time. He was uh Uh well he was a retired judge but before that he worked for he was an investigator for the district attorney uh the county district attorney or the state, I guess the state. Wait, no, he would

Um but kind of an intense guy, you know. Yeah. I mean kind of like uh he's not he's not a guy that just likes to just jump around. Um so that was sometimes it's a little intimidating. Like a guy like that, you kinda have to have your shit together. Were you able to talk to him or no? Yeah, no, I ended up I ended up uh having a nice conversation with he was great. But he uh is the he was the kind of guy like you you you just shut your mouth and listen and he'll tell you the story. Uh yeah.

So sometimes it's kind of intense like uh What was I gonna say? Um So when you interviewed like uh all those cats that went to school with uh Bundy or were in the the same ward as him

Like there's I mean m some of them are still around, right? Like I mean you talk to them and I Did did you have a hard time talking to them or were they pretty open about talking to you after you told them what you were trying to do? No, they were they were all surprisingly really, really open and and warm. Um there I'm trying to think of any of'em. I spoke to C five of his friends from the from the ward. Wow. And some of them

Some of them were more open than others, but they were all cordial and and willing to to just chat with me at some level, you know? Yeah. Um which I was kinda I was kinda surprise them please. Bye. There was um you know that I don't know if you've seen that old picture of the bunny when he's washing dishes and there's like a a pretty blonde girl at that house that he was at up in the the avenues.

Yeah, yeah, we figured out that that's where that where that was, but that lady is still alive and she lives in um holiday. Oh really? And yeah, and it was kinda cool because I I know for a fact that nobody's ever interviewed this lady before. I mean she's she's written a couple of things on on the story and then they found their way on the internet, but she she's

She's really kind of quiet, shy, a little standoffish, and she does not talk to people about the story. But I was able I was able to get her to talk to me. She we house and um me and Paula and we hung out in her house and looked through her old photo albums and Was that the was that the last time that you came to Utah when you guys came for like that weekend? Is that when you interviewed her? No, this is uh this was uh this was two or three years ago. Oh okay.

Um but we were really lucky to get get her to talk. It was we caught her in a we caught her in a good time. Yeah. Um because I don't think she would if I tried to you know, or someone else tried to get hold.

And that and that's the thing too, man, like um I I'm realizing that it's a matter of uh Being at the right place at the right time and being able to get somebody on a good day, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's all about timing, man. That's what I'm saying man, like when I called that fucking uh that uh that attorney and shit. Oh. And yeah, and they were like, alright, what the fuck do you want? And I was like, alright. Um you know I'm trying to talk to so and so

Uh I kind of explained what I was trying to do and they're like, Okay, yeah, yeah, sure. Oh, you said your name was Joaquin? Yeah. Boom. Fucking catch it to the shadows, bro. just threw my shit out. And I was like, eh Yeah, which is like I get it. And I kept trying. But ever since like COVID, like I don't know if they're just not not in the office'cause their their phone isn't on, you know?

But I'm like, fuck it, like every time I got them it was just it wasn't a good day. Like I could hear the chick, she's like Is this does this have does this have to do anything with the case? And I was like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, not at all. And she goes, Then what are we doing? I was like, Alright then, well you have yourself a nice day in fucking shitty ass campuses, I'll talk. See you later flight. Yeah.

Yeah. That must have been the secretary or something. It's yeah, it's exactly what it was, you know. And like she should she was like, Oh, does that like as soon as like I called and I kinda was like, Yeah, she was like real she was nice but like she was like, Does that do do anything with the case? you know? I'm like, Oh no no

Just try to talk to him about a a case from back in the day and she was oh one of those. I was like, Yeah. And she was Yeah, she was no we're too busy right now. I was like And then like she she was cool enough to like lead me to his uh his voicemail. And uh I left him a voicemail and he actually got back to me. But that's when like literally like as soon as I saw that he left me a voicemail

I called back and that's when like COVID really like that's when everything shut down and fucking so then like I called him nothing. And I remember I just called like since last year and like his phone I think the phone at the office is just off. 'Cause obviously nobody's there, you know. Shut down his whole business, man. Yeah, exactly. I was like, Fuck, man. I was like Alright, well You got he's probably pretty he's gotta be

Exactly, uh and that's what'cause I could I think when I was reading he was already like in his fucking forties and this was like what, the eighties and shit? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm like, okay, fuck man, that's I mean I'm twenty years old, that's older than me. If he's already in his fucking mid to late forties, like homeboys homeboys already at retirement age, he's like, Man, fuck this I'm like, I don't I don't blame'em, you know, so Yeah, I don't blame him either. Yeah. I myself

Well don't let that stuff uh get you done man, just keep trying. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely, bro. I mean like you gave me the best advice, man. Just keep trying. Like for as uh for as many no's as you're gonna get someone's a bound to say yeah, you know. So Oh yeah, man. What the fuck?