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Hey, what's up Chris? Hey, how you guys doing? What are you doing, my name? What's shaking? Getting over bullshit twenty twenty. Hey yeah, it was pretty pretty lame ass here, man, I I must say. Yeah, fucking it sucked ass for sure. Um how you been, man? Good man. Just uh Just getting off the uh two week Christmas break, which is nice, but gotta go back to work tomorrow morning. Just got back from Kansas City. How was that?

Uh it was fun. It was um just a big video project. Were you doing uh a video like on a case or something or No, I I I have a friend. This uh he's an artist named Tom Shaka and he he uh he does some pretty incredible stuff. It's a lot of um Uh really elaborate. Well, a lot of different styles, but he does this uh circus sideshow banner work. Well, okay. kinda old timey style, but uh ri really quite amazing. You just get you'd have to see his work.

You know how hard it is to just kind of pigeonhole an artist like that. You know, I don't I don't know how to sum him up in a few sentences, but um really, really amazing artist. He lives in the Um art space Uh in this old neighborhood in Kansas City called the West Bottoms. They've never seen anything like it. Uh this old bombed out

neighborhood that's these old brick buildings and stuff. Looks like uh looks like New York City back in the sixties or something. Gotcha. Um a lot of empty old tenement buildings and Railroad tracks and just really kinda kinda sketchy looking. This is Kansas City, Missouri, right? Yep. So did got about 300 gigs of video footage, uh interviews and different things like that and what's a local footage of the area and um putting together a pretty pretty elaborate um

Profile video for this guy. That's awesome, huh?

That's cool. How how long were you out there for? I was out there for about a week. Oh, okay, okay. Just you? Not Paulum? No, not Paula. My son Braden went with me. Oh okay. You uh you drive out there? No, we flew out. Uh I'll tell you, man, I don't don't ever fly in this pandemic bullshit. I can imagine bro. Yeah. I can I can imagine. Yeah, yeah. I I'm sure you know what what I'd say. It's just the spazzy security measures and the how many um

So was it like just like literally I mean, I'm guessing everything was all spaced out, right? Like social distance and on top of that you had to like fucking sanitize the shit out of yourself and everything. Yep, and you have to wear a mask, you know, it's about a three hour flight and you get this mask. You just stuffed in it. You know, and they just the regular security stuff too. You know, they just turn me upside down and

Sticking their finger up your ass and no, I'm just that didn't happen. I'm just kidding. But they're just kind of um I don't know, man. I I really don't like those customs people. Uh TSA and Yeah, I know they're just, you know, supposedly just doing their job, but they're they're just they're rude people. Some of them are fucking they're straight up fucking just ass. Yeah they yeah. Yeah. Just straight up. It's like it's like T you know, they've been given a a license to just

be an uh impatient, pushy prick. Yeah, exactly. I've I wanted to slap the swan guy so hard. He was just mouthy and and pushy and I was just like, you know what, kid? About twenty-five years old, you know, I just wanted to backhand him. But So just the whole travel experience was uh You know, I just I hate traveling. Don't do it during this time. It's such a pain in the ass. Plus it's

Kansas City's cold boy. Yeah, I can imagine it's fucking cold man. Yeah. They get up there's a big storm when we were out there and it was it was snowing like a beast all day one day. And um yeah, they got like a foot of snow. Fuck. I was driving this, I rented uh I rented a a car and they ended up giving me this Dodge this big big Ram truck. Oh, okay. Look at those monster trucks with um you know, four door extended cab thing.

Four wheel drive. It was kinda fun. We were out blazing around, four wheel driving in the snow. Did you have uh did you have a bush light on hand with you or no? Oh yeah. No. Oh yeah. Of course. I had them I had them in the car, outside of the car. We drank some wild turkey. Oh did that was good.

Yeah, how you guys doing? Hi is is that Jacob there? Yeah, it's Jacob and I. Hey, what's up, please? Jacob and and uh and Joaquin, man. I miss you guys. How's everything been going? Uh it's it's going, bro. I mean Uh We literally just we we did the podcast like two days ago? Friday. Excuse me, yeah, we did it like on Friday, Saturday. Friday. I'm sorry, we did it Friday. Yeah. And uh you know, we still got people listening, bro, even though we've the last episode we did was like

I want to see back like in August maybe? Yeah. We still got people listening and we still got people like hitting us up like, hey, when's the next one? What's the next one? You know? Yeah. You know, like but between like Me trying to fucking like get back on my feet and then I finally was able to find a job. And then with Jacob, you know, like his whole thing going on with his son and all that. Right.

This is what we were able to do when I mean I'm not gonna lie to you, like this is what we were able to do when we did this shit half-assed, and we still got people listening.

Imagine what we could do with it if we actually put our fucking time and effort into it and we actually try to uh you know, so That's why we were just like okay, like you know, we're gonna talk to different people and we're gonna make it a little more serious because if anything it's I think it's just gonna be Jacob and I. You know, Quentin's doing his own thing.

Yeah. Yeah, did his own thing and it was cool, you know, but like some of his friends were just that, you know, they were kids. So and I'm yeah that I can make it a little more serious and Um we like we got like a YouTube channel we're gonna try to start up try to like go in depth about just different things, ghost towns, some true crime. I wanna get more into it, especially like with the whole

Daniel David thing. And like if you're ever back here again, bro, like we'd be down to do that video. Fuck the whole ghost bullshit. Fuck all that. Just the historical aspect of it, bro. That's pretty it's pretty fascinating. So Sure.

But yeah man, I mean like it's just been crazy'cause like eventually I'm like Jacob's gonna leave Utah, I'm gonna leave Utah. I'm just like deuces. I'm fucking I'm if I could bro I would You done with Utah? Yeah, I'm done with Utah, bro. I'm like, fuck this shit. I'm I'm done with it, dude. But um Yeah. I can't. Like I'd be kind of a dick to just up and leave this guy and my aunt with the fucking lease, you know, so

Man, you st you sound like me a couple of years ago. We've been like this for like what, bro, the past f six months maybe? Uh, we've we've both been like I mean like Jacob can't stay here for like, you know, his medical condition, you know? But like Jacob but Jacob too, Jacob's like, I don't wanna be here no more. So I'm giving myself like three years. Honestly dude, if it wasn't for my kid I would've took off last month. Yeah.

What are you you guys thinking going back to Cali? No fuck no we go to You both go, you both look good. Ah bro, I mean Kelly's Kelly's cool to visit, bro. I mean, like we still got our grandma out there. Yeah. That's honestly that's probably the only reason why we would still go out just to make sure and like go check on it from time to time, you know, but other than that, bro, like I yeah.

Dude, it's it's too fucking expensive. Taxes outrageous. Fuck out of here, bro. Like Yeah, too expensive. Yeah. Plus that governor is just a fucking Nazi. Newsome or whatever. Yeah, tell that motherfucker to go do the fucking footloose dance and Lehigh, fuck out of your boat.

What's been going on with Utah that made you guys suddenly feel really definitive about getting out of there? There's just nothing for me out here, dude. Like yeah, stuff we wanna do like business wise, bar wise, like like eventually bro, like yeah, we w like we wanna start And we were just looking into like starting up like a cigar lounge and even like a bar, you know?

Sure. You would have to go through like an act of fucking Congress, bro, to get a bar just started out here. Like a legit bar, like a bar that you would see like Just a little hole in the wall like in fucking Deadwood or something, you know? Yeah. But just with like the regulations on the alcohol, bro, you can't have this, you can't have that. Yeah. It's just it's stupid. I I feel like I'm a child.

You know? And I I'm trying to explain that to people. Like a lot of my friends are like yeah bro, but it's cheap. I'm like, Yeah, dude, it's cheap and it's nice. It's a pretty it's a it's a pretty place to like If you don't feel like leaving and you don't plan on leaving and you wanna start a family, don't get me wrong bro. It's a it's a nice place to start a family. If you could get you could get by the whole Mormon shit, cool.

But if you can't, then you're single, then there's nothing for you out here. Get the fuck get out. Sure. Get out before you get some fucking twenty five year old fucking Mormon chick who's not married and your fucking family hates you'cause you're a fucking color person of color. I I don't know bro, but just stupid.

Before you pull at me and knock somebody out before you knock someone up like Jacob over you. I hear you. Well what what was I doing when you when you guys first met me? What was I always talking about? Getting in the fucking

Get in the fuck out of Utah. I couldn't I remember when I first met you, bro. And I remember like I remember I hit you up on YouTube about like oh this this place would be cool to go check out in burst and you're like I'll take you bro I got you and I was like alright so I was talking were like yeah and I was like yeah man Utah's a cool place you're like yeah fuck this place and I was like Alright like

But you were like, I'm done with this place, bro. I've been done with this place and I was like, Hold on, I wonder why. Like it's a cool place. And at the time, like my My priorities were different. Like I wasn't trying to Of course. Yeah. I wasn't trying to be self employed. I wasn't trying to do all that. So I was just like, okay, like

But me realizing I'm like, all right man, I'm twenty eight. I don't really got like I don't have a kid, I don't have nothing really holding me back. Yeah. I I mean no, like I don't I don't have And I'm like, okay, so what the fuck, right? They have a fucking hold out here with the alcohol, with bullshit. Like I'm not really a big wheat smoker but Just the fact that that shit is not legal and it's already 2021, bro. Like come on. And every every other state around us has it legalized.

Didn't they um didn't I a friend of mine was just telling me that uh He just got a medical marijuana license for uh Utah. Didn't they just open something or something? Cancer, like barely dying. Yeah, you have to literally be like on fucking heaven's doorstep, bro. Yeah. I try to get one, I was like, oh. and they were like, oh, you don't qualify. Like you need to have forgot the list. If I could find it.

Yeah. Like if I can find the list I'll definitely read it off. But yeah, bro, like the list just to have for the medical that shit was yeah. Yeah, like really bro, like you have to have like a terminal illness and then they'll give But when they do give it to you though, like uh that guy was telling

That Utah Satire did? Yeah. He w then he was that's what he was saying too, is that like the big problem with it a big problem that they they had with it is that they were saying, like, Yeah, okay, cool, like we'll give you guys medical cards but If that's the case then your name's gonna go on a database, so you're gonna go on like the DEA, you're gonna go on the uh you're gonna go on all these uh you know central database federal database.

He's like okay, but like why? Like that doesn't If someone's trying to like get I don't know Government job government job or something and like even if they're not doing anything shady, like why would you have to hinder someone's privacy just because they want I don't know, like help their fucking inflammation or they wanna do like, you know, what if it helps them with stress or Why would you do that? So they could do like ra yeah, they could do all this kinda like shady shit of what

You'd you would be in every like local uh I wanna say like police print synced database as well. So Yeah. He was saying that there was there was like they're trying to do like uh shortcuts around it. But Yeah, he was saying that it's pretty shady, so th if you plan on getting one, like, just watch out. And I was like, eh. If I really wanna smoke p which I really don't, I'll fucking smuggle it across like a fucking web back, but You know, yeah.

That's motherfactor. Thank you. Well that's the name of the bird of the place. What's the name of the bird of the place? Yeah. Ευχαριστώ. Hey Chris. Chris. Hey, Chris. Well, I guess it's just us. Hold on, guys. There's a little technical difficulties. So, Chris, I'm sure he's there. I'm never going to.

Hey, what's up? Hey, what's going on man? Sorry about that. Yeah. No, you just cut off, bro. So we were just here chilling. We're like, all right. I could hear you, but you couldn't hear me. Yeah, yeah, and that's what I was just like. All right, man. I was like, Well we're like, Mr. Morrison will be back right now. We were just like, Yeah, but

Um are you able to just to uh still get broadcast with me on the phone? Yeah yeah, so we're just like I have it right here recording on the the iMac. So on Jake's iMac and then yeah we'll just After we're done, you literally just fucking just work on it and then just upload it. Yeah.

Well man, so you guys have basically more or less you guys have come to the conclusion it's like time to get out of there. Yeah, like I'm not gonna lie to you, man, like last year I kinda had the idea like, okay, um I think it was more like the I was flirting with the idea of leaving, but I was just like I wasn't completely like sold on the the idea of leaving, that makes any sense. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then this year bro just

Like after I lost my job and then after I was just like, Fuck, I couldn't catch a break, dude. Like literally like a every every job offer I got They would be like, Okay, yeah, you got a job. I'm like, Okay, cool. But then it would be one of those things where like, Hey, yeah, you know, like you're just

temporarily covering for somebody who's on maternity leave or somebody who's on COVID and I'm like, Well fuck bro, how come you need to tell me this from the get go, you know? So then as soon as that person would come back, I'm out of a job. So I'm back at square one, you know? And then the idea was just a pain in the ass. That's what I was telling this guy, like, bro, if twenty twenty one's gonna be like twenty twenty.

Fucking that's it bro. Like I'm going out like fucking I'm going out like fucking Richard Ramirez bro. I'm getting my ass kicked in these how way Fuck this. Like, yeah. I mean, I'm not doing all those fucked up horrible crimes, but I'm fucking done. Fuck this. But yeah, dude, like But yeah, bro, it's just been a pain in the ass, man, and then like

Um and I like I was saying earlier, bro, there's just nothing out here. Like you know, I know Jake Jake has his reasons for leaving as well, and he's kind of in the same boat besides that, like I don't know man. Utah's cool, like I said, it's just it's a different state. Like I tell people it's a cool place to visit. It's a different animal to live here. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it just it just depends on what you want out of it. Personally, you know, it like that was there for eighteen years and

Um you know, there's a lot of great people there. But and some people absolutely love it. You know, and I complained and bitched about it the whole time I was there for different reasons. Some people look at look at you like you got two heads when you complain about it, but it just didn't it wasn't a good fit. Mm-hmm. It just for me, my personality, things I want out of life, it just wasn't a good fit. But uh it is pretty and it's you know, but it's got too many

Too many things that don't click with me for me to be there. And uh I was also there for too many years where I got some point rest. I couldn't handle it anymore. Yeah. So I I totally know how it feels and if you're the kind of guy you guys are you guys are trying to pull some business things together and you're you're trying to Trying to do something a certain way, you know. The opportunities just probably aren't there if that's you know like for a thing. Yeah.

So I know how that feels, man. Yeah, and then the thing too, like we were looking into Like the license to just get one. Yeah. Like the amount of money just to get a license to sell the liquor was like 20,000 more than like the states around it. Like you would have to put down like twenty thousand just in order for you before you're even approved. Yeah. So it's like it feels like

thirty to like forty grand. Yeah, and I'm like just to get the actual paperwork started. I'm like, well, I've got that kind of fucking money. Like You know, like yeah, it's ridiculous, dude. And the thing is like Arizona they um they don't require you to have uh a tobacco license in order to like sell like you know, so I'm like, okay, cool, like there's fucking money I don't have to spend already and Yeah, bro. And then like

a legit Mexican restaurant up here'cause that'd be sick. Yeah, there ain't shit out here, bro. Like, you got fucking taco time. Fuck a taco time, like you know? Taco time is like the worst. I remember when I first moved out here, bro, and I was like, Hey man, like I want some good Mexican food. Oh go to Taco Time, you won't regret it. Alright, fuck it. Taco time it is.

I go, there's like this little fucking redheaded fucking kid with braces. He's all oh hi sir, like welcome to Taco Time. So what the fuck? What? And he goes, Yeah, like and I remember he was like telling me, like, oh Would you like this combination of an enchilada and a burrito? I'm like, fuck this. Like god damn it. Like And I I I remember that he was all like, Oh I'm sorry, I just work here. I'm like, Yeah, bro, it's not your fault. Like fucking Utah. Oh god damn it.

But soccer time is terrible, man. It's like l low budget, generic, white people who eat no Mexican food. Yeah. Like a wider version of Taco Bell. Yeah, exactly. It's like a wider Mormon it's the Mormon version of Taco Bell, bro. Like I didn't think it could get any wider, but here we are. I even think they have like a Joseph Smith special and I was like, Yeah, I'm not taking that, bro.

Yeah, I'll just I'll just walk out right now before I can, you know, so trying to picture what the fuck now. Exactly. I'm like uh when he told me that I'm like, I don't even know if I want that. I'm all right, but let me just walk out of here. Um when we're when we were in Kansas City we just Yeah.

place which we didn't want. Like people are spinning everyone's got like these little low riders and they're spinning out in the drive stream and we're like, holy shit, we can't even go through the drive. So we said screw it, we went next door to this Taco Bell. I think I be I I think dog shit would probably have tasted better. Wow. It was just so fucking disgusting. And um yeah, I was queasy the rest of the day. Um I don't know, what about uh Reddit Wanda, did you guys ever read there?

Uh yeah, it's alright, bro. It's once, yeah, it was pretty i it for if you want like mole, then yeah, it was really good. But like any other Mexican food, it was alright. Like It's not it's not traditional Mexican food, it's very American style. Yeah, yeah. But the mole was good though, like I know I know that's what they're known for, so it wasn't bad but A fucking little Mexican woman who's like eighty years old, who has the skin of like a fucking football fucking ball.

And she's like sweating over the goddamn food and there's Mexican music playing in the background, like that's what I'm talking about, bro. Like authentic fucking shit, you know? So I wanna see I wanna see a little bit. There you go. And I wanna hear uh I wanna I wanna hear the traditional mariachi stuff or some songs we go on. I wanna see like the little red

Those little candle holders that are red. Yeah. Oh bro, so check this out man. So a few months back I remember I was hanging out with uh this guy's mom, my aunt. And she's like she's like, Oh, like we were in Draper. She's like, I want Mexican food I said, then fucking keep driving'til we get to like Kern's or some shit. Like You can don't get that Mexican food right here.

She just she decides to stop at this fucking Guadalahanke's, right? And I'm like, What in the fuck? And she'll let's just try it. I'm like white people up there? Yeah, I do so like I walk in there And like you know like most Mexican places, bro, they have like Mexican music. Yeah. Nah, this motherfucker, I felt like I walked into like a curves. Like you know those fucking gems and shit. Like there was like some fucking like horrible ass like nineties fucking

electro music from like Night at the Roxbury playing and I'm like the fuck? Night at the Roxbury. So I remember like yeah, like this is when Covid first kinda hit. So I remember like this is when they first implemented those uh Those menus where you have to take a picture and it'll upload to your phone. Yeah. And I'm like looking at the menu and it says honky items. I'm like, oh, this is cool. So I'm looking at it. It's like chicken nuggets, pizza, and a burger.

As like everything else is Mexican, these this is our honky items. I was like, Alright bro, we're walking out of here. Like nah. Honky. I was like, What the f Yeah. But uh I mean it's it's been interesting to say the least, dude. Like I'd say for like six months, bro, we met these fucking people in the same apartment complex as us. Yeah. Which was probably a bad thing at the same time. We just fucking drank, dude. We just drank and drank and drank and drank and drank.

Like you talking about COVID, like whole COVID period or Yeah, but I mean like when we f so when we met them, I wanna say it was like end of March, early April. Yeah. So when stupid ass Quentin locked my fucking keys in my car when I told him to just start my car. Yeah. So then like this fucking one cat comes down and he's like he's all fucked up bro. And he's like, Hey man, like you want a corona? I'm like, eh, I'm pretty pissed off I'm like, yeah, fuck it, I'll take one.

He comes down with like four of'em, you could barely stand up. So I'm drinking with him and like these new people we meet. And and after that, bro like it that was a Sunday and like when we met them it was about what, four in the afternoon? I fucking I drank we drank with them till about like three, four in the morning and I think only one of them was still drinking with us, the other ones blacked out. And then like after that, bro, we just drank like almost every day, dude.

Not that not not to that extent, but we were drinking, like, hey you wanna have a few beers? Sure. All right, yeah. Yeah, it was to that extent. For the first like four months, bro, it was pretty bad. Like after a while I was like, Hey man, like I need to chill, like we we gotta kick back and they're like all right.

And then yeah man, like we just drank and we drank and we'd go down to the little garage we have right here. We'd have like forty people right here at our fucking garage just drinking and shit. Yeah. Yeah, man, like literally, I would be like, all right, we're drinking and shit and

You guys uh you guys still out in that out in uh Taylorsville or whatever it was or West Jordan. Yeah, West Jordan. West Jordan. That's same that same condo? Yeah. Yeah, we're out here in West Jordan, like all the way out here by Copperton.

Yeah, yeah exactly. Okay. Yeah, I hear my fucking oil deal. Yeah. So thinking uh Arizona, huh? Yeah, so I know there's a lot of jobs for like what this guy does'cause he does like call center stuff. Yeah. So like he'll thrive out on that shit. And then I actually just got a new job about two months ago. It's this uh youth center that's like literally right across the street from our fucking apartment complex.

Okay. Yeah, so it's like with kids with like uh trauma and shit. It's cool. It's you know, it's cool for what it is. It's actually kinda easy, like when they're not having their little issues and stuff, you know? Yeah. Um for like four hours out of the eight hours, bro, they're in school. So it's easy as shit, you know? Usually just sit you sit in the classroom with them, just make sure they're doing their work and

Other two hours they're probably just chilling, watching a movie, but that's it. That's their whole day, you know. So Yeah. Um Yeah, so I've been doing that and then uh I know they have like a sister unit out kinda like and where more or less where we're looking at going So if I have to just while the time being while we're trying to get everything situated with the business, I could just do that. So I can transfer, you know. So

Yeah, and then this guy he was actually telling me that he can probably stay with his same company and he could just work remotely from home anywhere he wants, you know. Nice. Yeah, so you know, we just we got it pretty much set out for us, we just gotta

So then your dad's out there too, right? Uh I think that's what we were like, we were talking to his mom. We were trying to see more or less what she was trying to do and she's trying to go back to Cali, so we're like, okay, like So for the timetable that we wanna leave after we save up money and all that.

It'd be about what, three, four years? Yeah, about me it'd be for me it'd be about three years, for him about four. Yeah, for me it'd probably be like four or five just until my kid hits about five and then at that point I'd be okay with leaving.

kind of just Oh, you're gonna you're gonna be after where in Utah for a while longer? Uh yeah, yeah. Okay, I gotcha. Yeah, so that's the thing, I don't wanna just leave and I don't have like You know, money and shit and uh I'm not really trying I'm like I don't mind being with my parents, bro, but I'm not trying to just like go empty handed, you know, like so Yeah, yeah, so like um

So yeah. I think my my parents are wanting me to move out there like right now and I'm like, nah bro, I can't just sleep right now. Like the fuck? But Yeah, so that's what we were saying, like his mom, she's planning on staying out here like another three, four years as well, so like, okay, it's perfect then. Like I think the only one that's gonna stay out here is Quentin, honestly.

Which is interesting. He's well he's still is he in school? No, he's not in school. He just yeah, he just graduated, yeah. Yeah, no, I hear you guys are you guys are kinda making a long term plan. Yeah. A long a long short term plan. So we're like, all right, fuck man, three, four years, okay. Like All right.

I remember when you were telling me about it, and you were like, yeah, man, I'm done with this motherfucker. I was like, what? Like, I'm done with this shit, man. You're like, I'm going to the sand and never sleeps. I'm like, oh, New York, fuck that shit, Sin City. I was like, all right, fuck it.

Yeah, it's just I don't know, dude, like Nothing against Utah, it just it just doesn't work for me, you know, long term. I it it served a purpose, you know. I I went to college there, I got my degree and you know, I mean all that stuff. I got a lot of experience in my job. I have some good friends that live there and all these things but it's uh Yeah, I d and exactly don't get me wrong, like I'm not gonna sit here and like bad mouth Utah the whole time'cause like

You know, I was able to get situated out here, you know. We were able to meet you out here, bro. Like we consider you a good friend and shit. We consider like the people we met, you know, that we drank with. We must consider them good friends. We met like really good people out here, dude. But like you just said, it's not a long term ideal situation for us, you know, so Yeah, I understand. You gotta have something.

As well, you know, like you guys have a plan to to get out of there and head there or something. Yeah. Yeah man. What uh doing any videos or anything new or No man, I mean Lily bro. We literally like just like when COVID hit, I we were still kinda doing'em but Not like the way we were before and like after a while we just kinda like took a hiatus, bro,'cause I was trying to like financially just find a job before I took more of a hit than I already have, you know? And

Yeah. Yeah, so like now that everything's like okay, everything's trending upwards, like okay, now we can get back into it. Take this shit more seriously, do it full time, like al outside of like work, you know, just kind of fit it in where we can. But actually like take the time and do it and then uh You know, like go check out like some of these like abandoned ghost towns and

like these silver mines and shit, all that stuff, which is cool.'Cause like that's what we wanna do as well, like historical aspects and whatnot. But yeah, man. Uh

Yeah man and then like so that's the thing too, like well so I'm sure you get sick of this shit, bro. I'm sure you get tired of like answering all this So like is is that like Is Ted Bundy like kind of like is that in your rear view mirror now for the future? Uh it is for the next foreseeable while and I felt composed, you know. Yeah. I just got to I I was a long time coming. I just got to a point where I mean I still talk to people about it all the time. There's people that uh

that hit me up on there and ask me questions and on Facebook and otherwise and I don't mind talking about it and but uh yeah I I'm just kinda over it. Yeah there's so there's so many talks people in social media. Um thereas, yeah, there was I just had some bad experiences. And then I realized Uh it that was okay because I'm just really kind of sick of uh the whole subject. And there's it's funny, there's another There's another Utah person, uh lady named Selene Beth Calderon.

Who she's the person that was doing that that Tim Bunny miniseries. Oh, okay. Yeah. Probably s probably seen the name. It's called Killing Theodore or something like that. Yeah. Oh yeah. I know that I know for a fact that she's exactly the same You know, she's talking to me about it. Yeah. And she is just entirely sick to death with the whole Ted Buddy subject from top to bottom. So I think it's you know that subject seems to bring up some of the word. April and the whole subject.

It's you know, you get to a point where you've kinda done it to death, you know. Yeah. That's the thing too, that's why like That's why I was asking you'cause I remember for a while there like you were telling me how long you were doing it before I even met you. And then we've known you now for Two years? Two years, yeah. So that's why I'm like, fuck dude, like I don't even know how long you were doing it beforehand, but I can ima I mean I saw one of your videos back to like oh eight.

Oh yeah, and I was like fucking you forgot I was like uh a junior in high school when you were doing that, just that alone. So I'm like, God damn, bro, that's a long fucking time of talking about just one certain subject without I mean, consistently without I get it, like maybe some other cases in between. Yeah. But that that's some longevity right there, bro. I'm like, god damn, that's a that's a long fucking time.

Yeah, I don't know if it's been that long but it's been it's been a while back for sure. I mean possibly I'm not even sure. It was the one that I saw the one that I saw it was you on a ride along, um in Midvale. I I wanna know if it was one of the detectives, but it was with somebody. But it was a ride along. I do remember that. Oh, okay. Yeah. So So yeah, but I remember like I was like, fuck, dude. And I don't know, man. So I was just like, eh, well.

I guess my next question would be like what what do you have planned more or less for twenty twenty one? Are you like diving into uh Are you still diving into true crime? Are you diving into like something away from like the Vegas scene? Are you trying to go to like LA or somewhere else in the country? Um hangout so you're asking me

Ask me what what I have going on right now as far as video stuff? Uh more or less like what do you have going on right now and like more or less what are you trying to dive into for this year? Like opposed to uh opposed to like Ted Bundy, like are you trying to do like

Richard Ramirez, uh are you trying to do something else, you know? Um, you know, that's uh it's a good question. I've been talking to my friend Mike, who's uh he'd really like him, he's looking I mean, first of all I just got back from Kansas City.

Um I have a nor I have like three minutes of video with the guy for the starts. Uh his name's Tom Shaka. If anybody wants to check him out on Facebook. or Instagram's really incredible artist. Uh that we're doing this is the first time he's he's ever really had any uh some anyone covered him in a video exposure sense. And hey, even though he's been he's been a uh artist commercially and otherwise since 70s, um, and he does he's been in major publications.

Uh and he's done tons of book covers for fame like um Ray Bradbury and uh but on the s on the side he the last eight or ten years or two he's been focusing on these these kind of uh the style of the circus sideshow same with Jerry Everything he does is with pencil and Maybe colored pencils and little Protractors and compasses and things and so it's very old school. Oh he's the well, for example, he's the guy that drew from Captain Wrack's logo. The band Oh, okay, cool. That's cool.

Yeah. And I've been friends for a number of a few years now. She's like four or five years and anyway, so we did a really broad broad in and More more closely as well, but we we really kind of pulled apart his entire career. And a lot of different things that he's been involved in in the past and things he's currently involved in and various projects. And uh he's just a wonderful artist and a great guy. He's from Brooklyn, New York.

And um he's he's a few years older than me, but he's been at it for a long time and he's he's been a professional. He's very popular. But that's the same. work, he's got a lot of fans. Um so basically I'm just doing I guess maybe a biopack kind of oh okay the documentary on the work of Donkshaka he jokingly calls he never he never puts himself out there like you never see pictures of him and he doesn't he doesn't put things out about himself. He just

It just kind of like it has a low profile. Yeah, yeah, it has a person, but

list. Um but anyway, so that's the big thing I'm in right I'm involved in right at the moment. I'm trying to there's been some other things I would like to come back up to Salt Lake and do the manual data thing. Yeah man we're we're all for it dude. Just let us know more or less when. Yeah, yeah, that'd be awesome. I don't think some true crime stuff there's that'd be picking round at out here but it's Vegas is kind of a hard town to

to investigate just because everybody trying to contact out here has as a hustle, you know. Oh what can you do for me if I talk to you about this? I heard uh so so Frank Calada passed away, huh? Yeah, Frank Calada passed away and I it was kinda weird. I I'm so glad I got to finish that video. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so again you probably saw it or maybe you saw it. Yeah, we did that in September.

two thousand and nineteen and then I finally it took me a few months to get around to doing it, but I I put it together. It's about an hour and ten minutes long and uh I put it out in June or July. And he pa he actually passed away with COVID. Damn. And um but he was and that was this December, January, he was I want to say that was in October when he passed. And um he loved it. He told me he loved it.

He thought it was a good video. He liked he loved the whole thing. He liked the music and the the photos and contact or contact con Sort of uh content yeah. And just the way I put the whole thing together, he really enjoyed it. So that was thrill, you know. Yeah. He's kind of a a famous underwater character, you know. Yeah. So that was really neat. I'm glad I'm glad that he got to see that least and a and I knew he liked it because he told me

He said, hey I sure I'd sure like to have a copy of that. Can you send me a a DVD? He wanted me to burn it on DVD and give it to him. And I just barely it was it was so stupid, I just barely gave it to him. And then two weeks later he passed away. It's crazy. I was like, oh my God. And I was actually texting him a couple of days. Very bad as well. Yeah, it was kinda sad. He was a cool guy.

having such a uh uh checkered past but I mean his yeah he's an interesting guy. He was uh y you know, he had really tried to turn his life around and not not not like a bow face like you. Again, Christian or anything like that, but But uh he was still making money from his name. He was giving tours and Out here and uh I don't know, he was kind of a he was a fun guy. You could tell that he liked talking to people. That's good man. Yeah, that's good.

and I'm pleased that he enjoyed it. But he died in October. I think it was September. R.I.P. to uh Frank Lawrence. He was eighty one, he was a heavy soaker his whole life and so I don't think that really helped. Yeah. Oh he was on oxygen. I met him and then COVID hit and of course you know people compromised. When you uh when you met him, did you have one of those portable uh C O two things? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It was funny, man. That's that story about how I got him to do the gig was I thought it was hilarious. I uh I called him up and I said, hey man, can I take him to her? And all this and he he's got this whole Chicago thing. He really talks like that's so funny, but he's like, no, you know, you know. And he's like asking me my name, Mortensen, that's not Italian. No, it's not Italian. I think you never had any run ins with my relatives.

But he was late, he was like, Morks, I'm gonna have to look that game up and I'm like, No, don't do that, Frank. But um he uh he didn't wanna he didn't wanna let me video it. But I was prepared for that and I said well how about I uh how about I double the tour price And it was hilarious because he just lit up like a crypto. It's like, really? Yeah, fuck you, dude. I love money. How yeah, money talks, man. The power of money. Yeah.

It was cool. It was a good time, man. That was a it turned out good, I think. But there's been some other things out here. There's a there's Ted Binion case is really interesting. I'm thinking about doing a video with that guy. A lot really Dark true crime history with that. Stereo killer that was out here. It's he named Ricky Lee Rhett West that I was thinking about doing some. I would like to do some Ramirez stuff or some.

Oh, God. What was that hotel down in LA? The the Cecil Hotel? Cecil? Cecil Hotel. Uh which is the place that had that groove. At least a yeah, at least a lamb. Yeah, that's crazy shit, man. But um you know in LA the way LA is so shut down right now, man, it's just like I don't even want to go out there.

That's why that's what we're thinking too. Like we're just gonna wait until that shit clears up, man.'Cause I heard that they're not even letting people stay in hotels with if unless you're not gonna quarantine. But fuck bro, they want you to quarantine for like two weeks. I I know, right, man. LA it's like a you know, it's a very much Yeah, exactly.

And I mean I don't watch the news in the last week, but restaurants are shut down, everything's shut down like you know, the whole the whole town is turning into a homeless central man.

And uh it's just it's just a fucking mess out there. So I don't even wanna go out there and work on stuff'cause it's a pain in the ass. That's what I was talking about like that, not until we know that this shit is like trending upward and things actually open back up then and only then will I you know go back out there but by now bro fuck that.

Yeah, exactly. So it Well there's a couple other things out here. I'd like to um remember the that old show Facts of the Life or not Facts of Life. Um uh different stroke. It's like an old TV, it was like an old uh sitcom from the eighties and like seventies before. Oh yeah. Uh little black kid on the show. He was a little little shorthead, some sort of kidney. Didn't he have a house out here?

Yes, and and recently, well maybe a year ago, I I was able to actually get into his house. Nobody's ever seen the inside of it before. I got into it. I was giving a a Bundy tour to some Australian friends that came in and asked me to You know, asked me if I'd be willing to do a bunny tour. So I drove up there. And um just we were coming back from Sam Pete talking about the Libra Gamy thing. And I said, let's go check out Gary Coleman's house.

We stopped by and there's a lady out front shuttling. And so I swung in and I said, Hey, can we can we see what the inside of your house looks like? You know, just kind of sweet talked her. Yeah. And she led us in and I snapped a picture of I actually got off a couple of pictures. One of the the actual staircase that he fell down. Uh which is uneasy. Because you know he the big conspiracy thing that his wife at the time, Shannon Price. Yeah.

And um anyway the house has been super closed up. I actually got nobody's ever seen it. those kind of companies dying to get in there at the time when he died. And um anyway, I was able to snap off. That's that's what a little sleaze ball journalist I am, man. And I th that was amusing. But anyway, um Dave Plato was the She was the only one sister where Gary Coleman and his brother the actor Todd Bridges lived. They were like adopted kids with this rich guy.

And um anyway she lived out here and she had some real problems, man. She was uh she got kicked off and showed written off the show because Uh she got pregnant. It was like a wholesome kid show. Yeah. And so they're like, uh, you're pregnant, we got a new season coming up, you're gone. It wrote her off the show and she was like barely or something. And she just kind of spiraled into drug abuse. And um she was doing a lot of shady stuff out here for drugs. And the crazy thing about it is

She lived literally right down the street from where I am. God damn. And um she worked at this dry cleaners that's right down the road from me. Um, she actually went into a video store the spec in like nineteen ninety one and she walked into the video store with a pellet gun and she was Jones in some dope and she she robbed the place for like a hundred bucks with a pellet gun.

And there's like a famous nine one one call, you know, Hey Kimberly from different strokes just route me help you It's funny stuff, but I was thinking about doing a a little video on that because in becoming involved in a lot of radio stuff I've heard after that.

Um anyway, it's long and complicated. Hey interesting story on that. Hey man, what uh what city is that that his house was in? I remember I I think you like took me and you swung we swung by I think you showed Quentin and I and then it was like kinda right near like a bowling alley which kinda looked like it was from like the sixties or something, like the seventies.

It was like yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember you told me like he's to go there. He was kinda like a regular there with his with his old lady at the time. Yeah. Well the story is this play it it's house The story is that Gary Colbang had this, he was a really angry young man in his whole adult life because his parents Ripped him off of all his different stroke money. Yeah. We're talking about a million dollars. He made, he was a

The show was a hit. Everybody in America watched it every night for like eight. And he made he made millions of dollars as a really young kid, all the way to becoming a young adult. And his parents one hundred percent ripped him off. They took all his money that he made before he was eighteen and just wandered it now. Me as a parent. That's fucked up, right? Jacked him out. And so the guy was the guy was broke, right? Yeah. He had just come up and say you're run with this killer show, hit show.

Tons of money, he was probably making like a hundred grand an episode. You know, if we're a half hour episode, come on. Yeah. And that's stupid money, especially protecting those days. Hell yeah. And um Anyway, so he was a very angry guy. Now at one point he was he was working as He was still living in Los Angeles in the nineties and he was working as a security guard.

at a mall and some lady approached him at the mall and asked for his autograph and get his uniform, you know, when he pulled up and hit her. I remember that. Yeah. He what? Yeah, he hit her'cause like she was like bugging him for like an autograph. I mean I remember there's like a video about it and everything. It was like a big news story and shit. Yeah. Well so we so we just married some gal named uh Shannon Price out in Utah and he was filming well he was filming a movie in Santa Cruz.

This is where this house. And it's yeah, it's got my payson south of Provo. And uh he so he married a lady who was way younger than him. She was like twenty two and he was like thirty nine or something. And it's got a big pick up truck with a lift kit and he's you know he's clearly got some issues and he had um they used to go to this bowling and I like And pasting this little, I can't think it was called still there. And some guy apparently had been pestering Gary all night for an autograph.

Or a picture on a cell phone. And uh back in 2009, maybe 2000. No, no, wait, wait, wait. And the kid the kid was uh following Gary out in the gallery out out in the parking lot and Gary's trying to leave with this big truck. And Gary hit him with his truck. The guys like banging on the side of the truck, you know, just being a little dick. And Gary just said, Oh yeah, I'm just kinda like busy.

And there's some people that there's some reports that say that he actually ran the guy over, but I don't True. We just smacked him. Uh regard knocked him over. But um yeah, he and his wife used to fight. They were they were public fighters of domestic abuse stuff. They they got arrested twice. uh public assault, both of'em.'Cause they were in public smacking each other in the mouth. Yeah.

I think actually I think both times on University Avenue down in Provo they were smacking each other in the mouth or you mean they got picked up both times. Um so they you know So so of course he a few a f few years later he dies. Well, he falls down the stairs and there's this This big crazy staircase in the house you gotta see that's insane. Um I've got a picture And um she calls nine one one and it's this famous nine one one call.

Where she's she's gonna oh my husband's bleeding from his ears, but he's okay. J Gary, just get up. Stop acting like this, just get up. He's taking selfie while he's laying in bed at Pool Hospital and he's got tubes coming out of his nose. To do so and he's asleep and she takes the selfie with him. And then sells it to the National Enquirer. You know, it's just a totally sleazy little brot. Um anyway crazy stuff.

Um it's a lot more complex than that. But yeah, you lived in um the house is in Santa Clint. Santa Quin, okay. Yeah. When we uh Well we went to Laura Amy's graveside. That was pleasant view, right? Is it Mount Pleasant? Mount Pleasant, there we go. Okay. Mount Pleasant or or Fairview. It's gotta be Fair Play. Fairview. That's it. There you go. Fairview. Fairview. That's when like we walked into the fucking gas station and like

The typical fucking music stop playing when we walked in. I was like, what's up? I was like, I was like, what's up, homies? And they were like, get the fuck out. Like, nah, we're good. I remember that now. That's funny. I remember us going down there now. Yeah, that's when we like walk that's when we went through and there was like nothing out there. That's when you were saying that uh

You know, if he took her'cause remember you went we went to like that small like brush area on the other side of the little hill where the cemetery was. Yeah. And I remember you were saying that like If he took her there then it especially like back then it's perfect'cause there wasn't that many houses. I mean there wasn't a lot of houses to begin with. But if he took her there then like

With the wildlife were gonna do its job like they were gonna you know, fucked up but they were gonna hide the evidence, you know.'Cause you were saying that there's there was like mountain lions and shit in the area, bobcats. So Well yeah. There's the this error now where The police believe and the way Ted describes it because I've seen the when I've heard the the confessions. And now it's just like this area that I I think we went up there, you and I didn't

Um but I've been up there before two or three years back, four years ago maybe, and walked up even further up there. And it's Scrubby oak stuff. But when you walk around, You see nothing but uh mountain lion track. I mean just hundreds of them everywhere you go and then if you walk around enough There's nothing but a whole mountain side that's just littered. If dear God wasn't

You can tell that it's you know the the deer go up there and uh the mountain lions just pull their bodies apart, just rip them apart. Yeah. Yeah, so Ted Bundy took a girl up there and left did the cans up there. More than likely the yeah, the wildlife took care of that thing.'Cause she hasn't been found, right? Like they haven't found her uh body No, they found they found a piece of She had a piece of her bone. A knee bone. It was like a fatala bone.

Oh. Um uh Patel Bologna it's kinda interesting. Um this cop I interviewed, this guy named Bill Collard, he was one of the guys that We're surveilling Ted Bundieta's apartment in Salt Lake. in nineteen seventy five and he was also involved in the the Debbie Kent disappeared uh case, you know, the Because he was a powerful uh homicide detective. And he also did uh he did other things too. He did um Uh poly drink.

or if he was a a professional polygraphist. But anyway, he um he was involved in the whole hunt for her down there in Fairview. And he showed me pretty much where it was. I mean, I have a general idea where they sound that oh. Um, but they They were able to validate that that was with your DNA testing, that was indeed a remote. That's insane now. you know, I think it was maybe two years ago, her mother Suddenly came out of the year.

The public announcement, uh, she actually had Diddy Kent's knee bone or her daughter's knee bone. The reason is is because they actually confirmed it back in the nineties. that it was for Goddard's bone. But he didn't come out with it publicly and announce that till a couple of years. Really interesting. So she had it all these years, like twenty twenty plus years. David never said a word about it. Nobody knew the story.

But he told me that they had DNA confirmed it. And then like six months later all of a sudden there's this public announcement about it. Interesting. That is interesting. So just uh you know the dead giveaway was that she had the bone all this time. Yeah. Exactly, yeah, like that's

Yeah. I don't know man, like there's one uh there's one there's always like one story that like always interests me and uh it's the trolley square one, dude. Uh The the shooting that happened at the mall up in Salt Lake?

Oh, yeah. Uh the trouble corner? Yeah, I do, like the one with that that refugee kid or that yeah. Oh yeah, the the yeah, that's yeah, I did a bunch of work on that one too. I did I remember your videoing when You like you told the cop, you're like, Hey, can we go into this freezer? Oh yeah, sure And that fucking manager or whatever, the owner looked like he was all fucking cracked out and shit. Yeah. So sh shit was funny.

Look like he looked like you just got a bump. Yeah, look like he just did a bump or a fucking eight ball and I was like, God damn bro I should find'cause remember even Chris is like the the guy's like, Oh, like, you wanna come in here? Like and the cop and the copy and Chris are like, Yeah and he's like, Oh I'll be like yes and Chris is like, All right, don't mind if I do, he just goes right by him with the camera, like, Fuck, yeah.

Um yeah, that was so funny. We were um the the cop was this this friend of mine'cause I worked at Uh at West High School Hey I've done um Oh it'll come to me in a minute. But anyway he gets a he's a flying guy and he's kind of a big, burly looking dude, you know. Scary guy. But really cool, great guy. And um He was actually there for the when they were cleaning up that. when they were helping. And so he was involved in the campaign. And then...

Of course I interviewed one of the guys that actually end up Uh when they quartered him in the But uh yeah, he um he was I loved it'cause he's like this you know, he's kind of a nice quiet shy cop, but boy, once you get you start talking to him about police work, yeah, it just comes. Yeah. And um we're just we're just storming around that whole building acting like we own the place.

And uh just walked right over and opened up that door and that guy standing there. Is he uh is he still on the force? Ja, ich glaube so. Yeah, I uh I'm sure he is. He's still a pretty young guy. Probably f maybe forty five or something like that, but There's a port twenty or something, I believe. Oh, okay. Yeah, there's a pot in me in that like wants to go back to West. I think we went you weren't there. Like you were you were still living in Utah, but you weren't there at the the time.

And it it was me, Jacob and Quentin we went. I remember we were able to talk to the janitors. They were like sitting in the Oh yeah. The cafeteria. And and I was and I was like, hey, like uh I was like, hey man, this is kinda random, but you know, like You know, we know Chris Morrison, you know, he works here. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Miami man. So like you know it's kinda sound kinda weird, but fuck it, we're all like

we're trying to do like a like an overnight, you know, paranormal kind of shit. We hear that there's a lot of like ghost stories here, like ghost activity. Like, you know, what we what would we have to do in order to get that to happen? And he's like, Well, so you might have to talk to the principal, but Fuck it. If you come back whenever you're ready Fuck it bro, just give me like 200 bucks. that's it yeah fuck it that's it like

You know, well one of us will go along with you if you want us to, you know, we'll give you guys the keys. I said fuck, fuck, all right, cool. Like Well that's it though, two hundred? Yeah, that's it. Because if he says no, you know, he's like he shouldn't say no, but Fuck it, that's the alternative I'm giving you. I'm like, fuck it, sounds good to me. All right, I'm all right. We're up there in that way, yeah, I gotcha. And that's why I said, what day is all I am?

Probably like on a Friday or Saturday night. Fuck it, sounds good. All right. Then COVID hit, you know? So Yeah. Yeah, so that that that is one thing I do wanna do though. Like just I don't know man. There's a weird vibe to that school. It's crazy. Yeah, it really is. Um Um, you know, I was there you know, i there was a couple of times when I had to go there

Because I left something in my classroom and I had to go there on the weekend and and try to grab it and they locked the place up tired in four knocks, you know. Yeah. I I found the door that was unlocked. Well walked in and went to my class and got my thing, but it was like eight o'clock at night and on a Saturday or Sunday and there's nobody there, the place is just a tomb. And It was creepy. You know, it just has a vibe to it.

Yeah, it's just a it's a very old building, I think nineteen twenty three, I believe. Yeah, it's it's old dude. Like you c just a structure, like they were they were remodeling it. I think that's what they're doing, but yeah. You could tell that it's an old building for sure.

Yeah, I thought It's um yeah, it's definitely an interesting building. There's a lot of interesting buildings there. I like that uh ever get a chance to get in there should check out the old uh hot springs building that was like a children's museum for a long time. Okay. When you're heading out, you if you're following third west, heading north around downtown. kind of twists and turns. But there's an old building from the eighteen hundreds there that was hot springs.

Uh it was like a gymnasium back in the old days. But they turned it into a children's museum in the nineties and it's been closed from that for several years now. fifteen years and shut up, but it's just full of You know, but there's these these old guys that and run this thing of iron spike and go to the basement. Thank you. Um they have this big model real road setup. It's really impressive.

Very creepy all. I was gonna ask you fuck what was I gonna ask you. I was talking to Jacob about someone was bitching to me about our like content that like we cuss too much and we're racist. And uh they got mad because I in one of the episodes, like I put, you know, with uh conversation with uh Captain Borax, the Blanco Spick, that's one of the episode titles. So like this girl got all mad at me, man. She was like yelling at me through like fucking messenger. And I was like, well

You know, no one's kind of bitch to me about it or anything. You know, so like that's not my intent to be racist, like it's just a stupid ass saying, that's all. Well as long as that person that's cool with it, then okay, we're cool with it. And then um I was telling Jacob about when you did that one podcast you were telling me about it. It's with some it was with like a podcast from up here.

And you were saying that and you were saying that one of the the the people who were like interviewing you, I think she was a woman. You're saying she was kinda like snotty without realizing she was being snotty, you know? Yeah, yeah. I'm trying I'm trying to remember what the fuck and Jacob's like what what what uh what podcast is? I'm like I don't remember but I just remember it was on SoundCloud.

That's what I do remember. And he's like, Fuck man, like did he tell her off or anything? I was like, No, just like You could tell that like, you know She was doing like little sudden like jabs at Chris and Chris was like, Well fuck you too then bitch, I'll do it and direct back at you and he was like doing it back at her and I was like, Yeah, but

I don't know, but y you you can't please everybody, you know, like I don't remember what that was, but yeah, it's a you know, you you you get in you get into some strange situations with people. Yeah.

I don't know. It's uh that's one of the reasons you know I don't I don't fight with too much. Well I you know, it's one of the reasons I've kind of backed off of uh uh social media in general because I just I mean I I haven't really been on Facebook at all lately. Yeah, I know. That's one thing I was gonna tell you too. Like I noticed you haven't really been on and I was like, Yeah,'cause even myself, like, I took a little break from it, you know.

I I suppose stupid shit all the time. I mean I still I still kinda do, but like Not not like before though, you know, like I don't know. I just kinda took a break, man,'cause I don't care what people say but There's so much negative stuff in describing other people and traffic or stores or wherever they go, just morons and idiots and you then you have people that are you know, so much stuff

elections. Just you know, friends, people are just supposedly friends. Yeah. That's the thing too, bro. Like, yeah, I'll put some stupid shit on there, but like when someone's like telling me like, hey man, like, you know, like What are your politics? I said, Listen, asshole, like Did your parents ever tell you it's one thing you don't talk about? It's politics and religion, like

It always stirs up a conversation and a debate and a fucking argument. You just don't. Just don't. What's that for? Just politics and religion? Oh yeah. And I'm like, listen, asshole. Like, no. I'm a look, man, like That's one thing I I even tell people too, like when I like because you're the only person I've never really had to tell that to who I brought on to the podcast.

Yeah. Like I tell people from the get-go, like, hey man, no politics. What is off the like for them personally, like what is off the topic? Like what do you not want to talk about? And more or less they'll tell me like politics, religion, perfect. Good. Good. What else is new? Same stuff that none of us won't talk about. Exactly. I don't want to talk about that shit. There's enough of that shit on the news, bro. I don't want to talk about that. So

But yeah, man, like I remember you I remember a while back you uh you posted a video of you on um You were in the store in Vegas. And so someone would d someone didn't want to wear a mask? And and you were and you're like, Get the fuck out then asshole. You're like, you're holding up the line. I was fucking dying, bro. Like this guy was just being an asshole like

You know, it's one of those things like, Hey man, you don't wanna wear a mask? Cool. Like, don't get me wrong, bro, I don't want to wear a mask all the time either, but I know if I don't wear a mask I can't get groceries or I can't I can't do this, I can't do that. Like

Yeah, just fucking put it on for half an hour, then get out. That's all you gotta do. Yeah. Exactly, yeah. But like I think it was like a gas station or something and fucking it was it was something. It was like a smaller store, but I remember like you hear Chris like And there's like the guys yelling at the fucking like cashier. He's all get out that asshole, you're the one that's being an asshole. And the guy's like, You guys are fringing on my ride.

And the thing is too, he was like an older guy, bro. He yeah, he was like I don't know, maybe like s fifties late fifties, early sixties. Yeah, I don't know, but Motherfucker look like a fucking Great Valley version of Danny Bonaducci and shit. I'm like what was this fucking asshole doing? It's probably a Terry's head's like fuck it if I die I die. They fucking grave the off off brand version of shit. Man, what's this fucking asshole doing?

That's funny to know. Um yeah, I've seen a couple of things since I've been down here and freaked it out, but that was more seemed like it was mostly in the beginning. Yeah. When it was uh uh the whole COVID thing was first. Comes around the initial freakouts. Um But Vegas in general

People are pretty good about wearing their mask down here. How was it up in Salt Lake? Um it's about it's not too bad, huh? Yeah. At first it was kinda like, all right, like Yeah, like you would walk into like uh Walmart or something and nobody was nobody was wearing a mask, you know. Like now that they like they issued the state mandate, you know. People are put people are pretty good about wearing it.

Yeah, like like if you don't have one, most of the places they'll give you one, you know? Yeah. So um Nobody was wearing them there. Yeah, I'm not surprised. Like Where? Price down down south a little bit. Yeah. Nobody nobody in this town wearing masks, nobody. Um

And I I don't know if that you know, if that was like a random thing at the time. Yeah. A few months back. I wasn't gonna say, um That's crazy though man,'cause like I wanna say About what, a month and a half ago is when they did the state mandate for the mass? About a month or two ago. Yeah, about a month or two ago is when they like when uh Herbert issued the s the state mandate for the masks. Yeah.

And um because for a while there dude like uh Utah County did not have a mask uh effect in date, so yeah, they didn't and uh so then finally they did it. And then for a while, dude, up until about two weeks ago Uh they had a liquor liquor sales ban after ten PM. All the bars had to close down. Gas stations Yeah, gas stations couldn't sell liquor at uh beer after like ten o'clock. Oh wow. So then like I don't want I don't know. I think it was like thirty bars. Mm-hmm. Like thirty bars.

and thirty other restaurants fucking signed a petition and they fucking sued Herbert and the state of Utah. Yeah. Yeah, because they were saying that like uh the scientific the sci the science behind COVID along with uh

the sales of alcohol being banned after ten PM had nothing to do with the correlation between the two? Yeah, they're COVID based Again, they were saying that like if especially if you have like inside dining and you have people in bars and if you're following the C D C the C D C guidelines and you have the spacing and you have the whole sanit sanitization and all that, you know?

So they were saying like where's the evidence? So then finally like Gerber and uh Herbert and them were like okay like fuck it. So they they lifted the ban but yeah bro people are people getting tired of that shit up here. Now it's interesting when when I was just in Kansas City, it was kinda happening out it was uh you would go to uh I don't know, it was um it was you know, if you went into some places it was very strict, you know. And usually the bigger two.

for you know they had their their policy but there were plenty of places i walked into were and like guys and that worked there weren't wearing them. Uh oh what I was Um because most businesses you could think we'd be a little more compliant with that. But it was kind of hit and messed. But down here in Vegas people they'll they'll wear'em.

Everybody wears basket everywhere you go. I mean'cause for a while there, man, fucking Vegas looked like a ghost town, dude. It's coming back. Well I I just come back last night and Driving back from the airport and this place is full. There's even some bars that are having live music. Um I have a

play this one down here and they I haven't been out. I haven't seen anything. There's a cool bar down here called um uh the Sand Dollar. And yeah they straight up by me at Do they still um do they still have the live music right there on Free One Street? Uh oh like when you the big outdoor stuff? Yeah, yeah, like right there like kinda like towards the end, right there by the plaza and all that. Like how they have it right there on the couple of pages in Fremont Street area.

I don't I don't know if they're doing music right now. But they worked for a long time. But that's a good question. I'm not sure. I haven't been down there much now. Um, I went down there a couple of weeks after COVID. And it was kind of funny. Everything's wide open down there. And they're you know they're they're uh asking everybody For their IDs, you know, for whatever reason they walk

Just just really odd stuff had nothing to do with COVID. But because COVID was happening, they were asking Who's asking? Um but like I had my son down there. who was uh just barely twenty and then they didn't ask him for his ID. Well w where was this that? In Vegas? In Vegas, yeah. Wow. Really weird. It was it was almost like they were trying to Hãy subscribe cho kênh La La School Để không bỏ lỡ những video hấp dẫn

they were IDing anybody at all. Was it just to walk the strip or like what were they IDing for? Uh oh yeah so the Fremont the Fremont Street area to go through That's weird. And you walk across the little plaza thing there at the stoplights? Yeah. Oh yeah, okay. You can picture that, right? And um right there they had these gates up and they had guys sitting on stools. There are you guys.

And they were IDing everyone that came through, but it didn't seem to really have a point'cause they were letting kids through. So what what was the point of that? Um The only thing I can honestly think of is like that what was that shit called? That contact tracing? Oh yeah. You know? Like That's on that's only th that's honestly the only thing I could ever think of was like, okay, like this is where you were, this is where you were, you know.

It's very odd. I remember like we went to Wyoming a while back, like a few months back when all this shit started going down. I remember they were like, Oh, like as we were leaving Wyoming and it's like, Thank you for coming to Wyoming. Don't forget to quarantine for two weeks. I was like, Yeah, sure. Yeah. Oh yeah, remember when we left the state and we got the message. Yeah, like it literally, bro, as soon as we crossed state line and told us we had a quarantine, I was like.

I was I I was like these motherfuckers or what? That's scary shit, yeah. I was a little worried about going to Kansas City because I didn't know where to Get caught up as some quarantine thing trying to get back in Vegas or West for you know. Exactly. That's the thing with Cali too. They're like, Oh yeah, like well if you're gonna come and like as soon as you leave you have to quarantine for two weeks, I was like, Yeah, sure.

I'm quarantined in the fucking mail, sure. Yeah. After no mail FedEx. Sure. After no mail FedEx. Oh fuck out of here. That's gonna happen right away, guys. Yeah, I know. But I'll probably wait to go to Cali. I'll wait till the summer to go out there because may I think by then it'll be hopefully be able to chilled out and I don't know man, it seems to be like every other state is fucking moving along just fine, but

New York New York and Cali are the only ones that are struggling. Fucking literally a fucking post apocalyptic world and shit. Cali It's a it's a hot mess between the the fires they've been having out there. Yeah. That's every year I guess. I don't know. It's a it it's just crazy bro. Dat is fucking... Dat is fucking nieuws. I'm still the governor. Yeah, alright then. So what does that mean son of a bitch?

Really as long as Newsom is there, we won't be That's just I don't know man, it's just ridiculous, dude. Like how much longer you can have that shit shut down, bro? Like literally people are losing their livelihoods and sh bullshit and you know the people that Hospitality hospitality kind of businesses like restaurants, you know, I they've got a valid point. You know, they are

Maybe, you know, I don't know, you know, you hear a lot of conspiracy stuff like, Oh, it's a way to wipe out small businesses permanently, you know. Yeah. I don't think that that's really the intent, but that's exactly what's happening. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Like um

Just a shit ton of shit is like growing down. Like all these little small businesses are just like dying out. Like if you literally go down State Street, all these little small businesses are all boarded up, bro. It sucks. Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, State Street I can imagine. And they f I mean State Street once you get a little bit south of it south or whatever.

I mean honestly man, like the only reason why I go down stage for you just to see like All these people all strung out right there in front of the fucking the Carls Junior. Drinking drinking mouthwash in front of a family dollar. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy, bro. Like'cause I know they're gonna knock out that Carl Jr. And they're gonna make like uh another skyscraper right across from the Harmons, going right up to the Capitol on State Street.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't know what it's gonna be, like, but it's gonna be a skyscraper talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you can okay. Yeah. I've been up there a while man. I'm sure there's a lot of a lot of new things up there. Yeah man, I mean it keeps growing, bro, you know. Like they just they just put this fucking Amazon right here, right out here in West Jordan. Yeah.

How was uh how is West Jeremy are they just building a lot of condos out there and things like that or not really, huh? No, not no not really, man. Like if anything I th I know like off of the Batches Highway going towards Magna I know uh I know they wanna build homes, but there even if you build homes, man, there's still so much open space. Like There's some beautiful, like out towards Bagna. There's some beautiful neighborhoods out there, man. It's really nice.

I know I have a couple of friends who have some spots out there that would be interested. They're you know, they're mostly unattainable. I mean I couldn't I couldn't afford to buy one. Yeah. Well it just depends on who you are.

Yeah man, so I'm sure you're I'm sure you're busy but I'm sure you wanna just chill out. So if anything if you're done to do another episode maybe sometime next week or something. Whatever you guys want, man. If I have time I'll Sounds good man. Well it sounds good it's it was good for hear from you man and uh you know stay safe bro Oh yeah you too both you guys man don't do one thing man don't go off

Uh we're we're trying not to man, you know, but women and the women in the economy killing us right now. So you kill them be the death of all of us. Yeah. All right, man. Sounds real, bro.Take care of yourself.All right, man.See you.Bye, man. Thank you. All right, guys. So we're done with this episode. Come check it out. Let us know what you think. See you. Peace, bitches.