Captain Borax is back! Episode 6!

Hi man. Hey what's up man? Can you hear me okay? Yeah I can hear you pretty good. Can you hear us? Yeah yeah. No, I'm trying to solve uh headset with a microphone, see if and it's see if it works. It sounds like it is. Yeah, it sounds pretty good, man. How you doing? Good good, we'll scroll out, guys. Not much, man. It's just Quentin and I, fucking Jacobs and fucking China trying to cure the coronavirus, so that's where he's at. Sound sounds like a sounds like a buzz kill to me.

So uh so you guys have a uh another another podcast episode right on you guys. Yeah man, we um To be honest with you dude, I didn't really think the shit was gonna take off. Like not trying to be like negative or anything. Uh uh yeah, I mean it seems to be I mean, even though it's just gradual, I mean uh it just seems to be just getting more and more numbers as the days go on. So That's some real growth for a two week old channel, you know. Yeah, I mean excellent.

I mean I'm surprised anybody's even fucking listened. I mean, some of the episodes are just us being a bunch of dumbasses. I mean, we're just being ourselves, but like Uh we just want to get more into depth about, you know, like crimes here in Utah, cold cases, unsolved cases, uh murders, Utah history, just I mean really anything, like just a little bit of all the above. So try to keep it like Not just one topic, you know, just a bunch of multiple topics. For sure. But yeah.

So that's where we're at right now. Hey Chris, Chris? Hang on, can you hear me?

Better? Better. Okay, cool. Sorry, man. I I turned off my uh turned off my phone, stuck it in my pocket, and I could still hear you, so I don't know. But yeah, no, I know podcasts are They're definitely becoming kinda the rage nowadays. It's interesting. I mean I I just feel like it's the only place where people can actually Depending what depending what depending on what kind of job you're in, like what kinda what kind of field you're in. It's like the only place where

It's your own platform so you can kinda create what you say, but it's all free form. I mean, we're not really trying to fucking get like onto fucking Saturday Night Live or anything. So yeah. I mean whatever we say is what we say, but I mean I'm not really too worried about fucking people getting mad at shit. I mean if they do it whatever, you know. Yeah. Well I think I think that's the beauty of it is that you can really kinda say whatever you want. It's not it's not as um

What's the word? It's not as censored or or uh screened as something's like even YouTube is becoming quite quite sensitive anymore, you know? And that's the thing, man. Like, that's another part of me that like we want like we got our YouTube channel for sure. But it seems like they've come up with like more and more fucking demonetizations for any little thing now. So it's like Yeah. Yeah, I'm like

There has to be I mean, I think it's just a matter of time'til someone else makes something besides a YouTube and that kind of just takes over, you know. Yeah. That's that's funny. Oh go ahead, I'm sorry.

We were talking about that at school, you know, it's um you know, I I'm kinda waiting for another platform to come along, but the problem with that is is that the same thing will happen to that platform too. You know. They'll uh uh it's just a thing, like I mean it's you, so obviously like your platform, but it's not really if you think about it. Not anymore, man. Not anymore. Yeah, it's uh

I mean I get the whole copyright shit with like songs and all that. Like you can only play a song for so long. Bye-bye. Yeah. I mean any little thing, dude, is like demonetization, fucking demonetization, this, that, fucking. Someone doesn't like you, so hey, fuck this guy. We're gonna flag his channel. Boom, a strike, boom, a strike, and then fucking the channel the channel's deleted, you know? Oh it's true.

They uh I I remember when I got started on YouTube, you know, it you know, i uh my first channel got blown up, but it was my fault, you know. I mean I deserved it. But I was, you know, I was uploading what I thought were d was old like you know, just old bits of old movies that I thought nobody cared about. But of course, you know, it belonged to somebody else and it was copyright. I get it. But But they when I when I first started doing increasingly better with the Captain Borax thing

They they suddenly made it so that you had to have a minimum of a thousand subscribers to get any kind of monetization whatsoever. Oh, gotcha, yeah. Just like that. It was like as soon as my channel was up they did that. I was like, you assholes, man. And and now they and now they have this thing the the latest thing they've been doing is uh your i your your channel can get or your videos can totally get scrubbed if they are not kid friendly or something that uh

kids could watch and it's just like, Oh my God. So if your if your video is not made for kids, quote unquote, then they won't monetize it or they'll limit your any kind of advertising. That's fucked up. It's crazy though because even when I was a little kid, like I remember YouTube was a fucking no man's land, bro. Like you fucking. Yep, that was the beauty of it. Yeah.

Uh I think I remember first seeing YouTube in maybe like two thousand and five or six or something like that. And and uh it was yeah, it was beautiful and I couldn't believe how many people were using it and I mean you could find the craziest stuff and it was just really kinda wilderness, uncharted, you know, everybody was just having a good time. But now it's so big And kids watch. I mean I I I understand, you know, people tripping.

To an extent, but but then it it becomes a it becomes censorship. But that's the thing though, like you made its own app. But that's the thing I that's what I'm saying. Like so why don't all those ki all those videos that are for kids put it in the fucking YouTube kids? Don't put it with other fucking regular YouTube. Yeah, just like yeah, I mean just like Netflix for kids, that's the same fucking thing. Do you know Yeah. Yeah, well I think they're they

Th I mean I believe me, I hate'em. I it's I'm not protecting them at any level, but it's like kids can Anybody can get anything they want on the internet. If kids want to watch porn they can watch it and if they can yeah Yeah. Yeah. I I I understand what you're saying. It's just that's the thing though. It's like, well, what the fuck? Like Yeah, I mean it I just feel like it's too uh It's too controlled, man. It is. Unfortunately it's just too controlled now. So it's like

It should be like anything. You know, uh there's all kinds of pornography on the internet, and the way they do it is you click on it and you say, Oh, I'm eighteen years old. You know. Yeah. And I mean it they should have a a YouTube kind of gateway just like that, you know? I don't know. It's annoying as fuck. I know, I mean I can imagine just I mean I like I said, like I mean we don't even really have that many I don't even think we have a fucking do we have a video on the channel?

We have video, we just haven't uploaded them'cause Yeah. But

I just see how I just see what people have to go through and it's like, do I really want to go through that fucking headache? Like I do and I don't, you know? So it's like Yeah. Well, I I just kinda look at it like I I'll keep doing my thing because I I never was under any notion that was gonna get rich doing YouTube videos or is gonna make any money whatsoever.

Fuck it. I mean it could be cool. I mean I learned a lot of shit about Utah that I I didn't even fucking know. So I'm like, yeah, why don't we just talk about it? Talk about like I guess our point of view about Utah is fucking people as from the outside who moved here. Uh talk to people who've lived here, you know, their pros and cons. Or pros and cons, fucking, you know.

Uh history about Utah, uh like I said, like unsolved crime, unsolved murder, uh whatever. Uh, you could go on and on, you know. There's a lot of just different kinds of shit. And then just like you know, we'll just fucking be us comedy wise, uh talk about fucking personal stories, just differ you know, whatever. Whatever it leads to. It's there's not like a a one specific topic or platform. It's just, you know, whatever.

Whatever's the case, we'll just talk about it, you know. I mean if we happen if we happen to make it like successful and big, cool. But for the time being I mean, for the time being it's like It'll always be for fun. We're doing it for fun, you know? Yeah.

That's that's kind of the spirit you you gotta have for it. I mean, unless you're a uh a nineteen year old chick with really big tits. You know. Like, you know are you you're like Jenna Marbles or one of those those chicks, you know, that I mean, not that they're all that or they're trying to sell what I just said, but y y you know, unless you

have some sort of potential to have a crazy fan base for eight year olds. Uh you know, I don't know. You know, like uh think about some of those like YouTubers like um uh what's that guy uh Oh, um he does that yi thing. Um what's his name?

PewDiePie? Oh no, not cute uh no, I like that guy though. He c he's kinda funny. Yeah, he's got a s yeah. He's funny. No, there um I'd have to ask Paula. She she's got a couple of YouTubers she watches, but You know, it's just I don't know, for for the kind of stuff I do and I sense the direction you're going, you know, I I just for fun, it's a passion project and

And that's the way that's the way it should be for me anyway. I mean I mean I hear what you're saying. I mean like like I said, you know, like if we happen to if you know it continues to grow as it is and people are actually interested in it and Like we are like doing it and like, you know, if it just happens to just grow as it is, why not? I mean Absolutely You know, but like it's not one of those things where we're like, all right.

Not gonna lie, maybe at first, you know, earlier, like a few years back, you know, like obviously everyone wants to be young and not have to fucking work. I mean that would be nice, but that's not real that's not reality, you know. So it's like Yeah. If if we could do if we could talk about shit that we like talking about, actually, you know, dig into fucking

missing murders and like, you know, just different shit about Utah crime. And then why not move on to like Wyoming? Shit about Wyoming. Shit about Nevada. Fucking Idaho, uh Arizona. Just kind of branch off onto different topics and stuff and It'll be cool, you know. So it's just one of those things where it's like

Let's see where it goes. It's exciting to think about these like you think about it. This has been in the planning for maybe two or three Two years, I want to say. Yeah. Just took yeah, just took initiative and I was like, yeah, I just had I was just tired of it and I was like Wow. You know, we gotta throw in the snow into effect. So I'm like, what's something that we can always do regardless of the fucking weather year round? And I'm like, why not a podcast? Why not? Yeah. Right. No that's the

Yeah, it's great. You looked into what, I'm sorry? I looked into this app because I was like looking for an app that's like What about an app where you don't like, say if you don't have the means to fucking get like all mic and all this shit, you know, like There has to be an app that lets you do it off on the phone. And I looked into this one, it had a lot of you know good ratings about it. So we shouted it out. We did it. I can't complain man, I mean

Some platforms I manually distributed it to and some of it it did it for me. It it does it for you. So that's like the cool thing and uh you could add into loads, you could add you know. We have our own fucking and that that's the thing, you don't have to uh you don't have to have a specific um number of uh audiences to have uh paid sponsorships. So

Sure. As soon as yeah, so as soon as you do it, uh they give you a fucking uh ad sponsorship for the app. And that's one that we've been getting fucking You know, the whole fucking dollar and fifty cents that we have so far from yeah, but I mean fuck it it's fucking fuck it it's a start, you know. No yeah. No, absolutely. I think it's I think it's great. Yeah, so What's that, Quentin? Did you say something?

Uh I just said it's exciting man'cause that buck forty means people's listening, you know. And that's the thing, like I told him, uh yeah, fuck it, you know, tell some of them fucking kids. You know, be like, hey fuckers, like listen to this shit. You know, expand your spit mind. And I told other people, I told some other people and then I you know, I was just like, Yeah, if they listen, they listen, if they don't, it's cool. And yeah, man, I mean every day it seems like we get

Ten listeners, twenty listeners, fucking twenty. I think last Thursday I d I think this past Thursday we had like fucking thirty I think we had like thirty plays, I think, or some shit like that. So Wow. So so how can how do you uh monitor that? Is there I mean there must be some sort of like um a scale on there that shows you how many clicks people have had on your how does that work?

Yeah, so like at the like so when like when I log in it'll say like episodes, uh money and then it'll say analytics. But right at the top it shows you uh your uh list you know plays and then it shows uh your si the size of the audience. So I think right now we have like What was it? No, I I think it's like we have a hundred and fifty three plays and we have like thirty people as our audience. So like thirty subscribers basically.

That's cool. Yeah, man, I mean like I I was signing Jacob and Quentin, like to be honest with you, man. I hope it works, but like I'm not expecting anything the first few fucking months. I really wasn't, you know? Yeah. So every day I thought I I I just saw the numbers going up and I'm like, oh fuck. 挺 cool man so like i was actually telling Quentin and Jacob like We actually talked about it about changing the the description of the the podcast, just uh

be a little more specific about what we talk about'cause I don't want people getting the wrong notion of us just being fucking a bunch of jackasses and just being silly. Yeah. And uh not not cov not c you know, like not covering fucking like this and that. So we'll add you know, true crime, uh fucking cold cases, history, comedy, etcetera, et cetera. So at least people know where it can jump from up between all those topics, you know.

Sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's how do you do that? I mean, I guess I guess it's kinda like having a playlist, you know, this Yeah, this is a section of these are similar things that we speak about, you know, we're talking to people about. Um but yeah, why not? Don't limit yourself. Make it uh make it wide. Yeah, and and that's a thing'cause like It's cool'cause like you can always edit the description and like it's cool'cause as soon as like say after we do this episode

You know, I would go, I'll fucking listen to the audio real quick, just make sure it's cool. I could add interludes, I can add fucking s uh song background music, I could add uh then you know, I'll just throw a sponsorship in there. And then uh Yeah, I could just edit the description of the podcast itself and I'll just put, you know Basically like, you know, fucking the Borax is back, you know, talked about this, you know, between all these topics and then um

I think it'll be episode six. Yeah, it's episode six. And like that's the thing, an average uh our episode averages are like fucking an hour and like I wanna say twenty minutes each episode, if that. Okay. Which is which seems about right. You know, that's about what a solid conversation would be, you know, with somebody. And that's the thing, like I was telling uh Quentin, like

You know, some of the people I mean,'cause like we know you, you know, like you know, we we got love for you, bro. We love you. You're you're a fucking homie. So like we're gonna go. I know, like our conversations are always cool. Like it's just the energy we do weach have the energy, we could just bounce off each other with different topics and shit. But I was telling him like when we s when we talked to that guy Paul, I never met Paul. I've never talked to him. I I have him on Facebook.

But I I didn't know the guy and then I feel like really for the first time ever talking to him, it was a good conversation. Like it just kinda just bounced off like You know, and I I'm not gonna shit on the I'm I'm not gonna shit on like ghost hunters and shit, but I mean it it's cool. I'm kinda getting away from it a little bit like I can take it serious, but I can't at the same time.

I just think that I just think yeah,'cause I mean like as fucked up as this sounds, like nothing against him, he was cool as fuck, he was a nice guy. But like just there's just some assholes out there that just fuck it up for everybody else, just like anything else, you know? Right.

You know, he was telling us stories and like you know shit he was talking about. Like I know it's real shit. So like I'm not gonna be like uh you know, like yeah, fuck this guy. No, he was cool, it's shit. He you know, he took time out of his day to talk to us and he was a he was a good guy. And he even like invited us out to like Uh if it's not Fear Factory. It's a it's one of those other ones. I think even invite us out to like a Asylum forty nine.

Um yeah. But like he's you know, then'cause like we even told him about fucking Zach Bagnon so he's like, ah fuck that guy. And he's like he's like he's like that fucking guy fucks up he's like he's like that guy fucks up for everybody else. Like that's why no one takes this shit serious, you know?

And I was like Yeah. And I was like, Yeah. I mean and that's what he said, he's like it's a god honest truth, you know, he's like People have different experiences and he even said it straight up, he's like, Bro, ghost hunting is boring. He's like, You're just sitting and you're just he's like, You're just waiting for something to happen. He's like, It's not fucking fun. He's all it's boring. He's all but when you catch something.

It's cool, you know. If you do experience something or you catch something on audio and you don't know what the fuck it is. So yeah, he's always it's it's uh he's always rewarding, he's all but he's all for the most part, he's all you're just sitting there like a fucking asshole. You're just sitting there like in the middle of a fucking dog, he's like he's always he's always boring.

Yeah. So like yeah, what like what happened? No Yeah. Sorry, I'm just listening. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's what he was saying, you know, and uh And he was like talking about like, you know, his personal stuff and we asked him, you know, like

you know, he was from here and just, you know, talk to him a little bit. And that's the thing, I don't want people just to think like, Oh yeah, we're just interested'cause of this, you know, or that like I was telling that girl from the new Utah, uh Jess Jessica? Jennifer? Yeah. Jessica. Jessica, yeah. Sorry. We you know, I was talking to her

And like that's the thing, I didn't wanna like intrude and shit. And then she was and she was real cool, you know, she was just asking me questions, you know, like about like the the fucking podcast and uh, you know, where I was for where we were from and just, you know, different shit and she was cool as fuck and

You know, hopefully we c hopefully we can make it happen. I know she she knows she was telling us a r she was booked out until April and to hit her up like in March, so Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, it sounds like you had a good conversation with her. That's great. Yeah, no, I I really like those guys. They were fun. Uh and and she's really nice. I've been I've been talking to her on and off for the last year. I think they

They were uh just kinda using me as a reference for a Ted Bundy podcast they did a about a year and a half ago. Oh they were da that's how they found me. They were digging into um Uh the LDS. piece of the the Ted Bundy case in Utah and and I had all those I had all those interviews with the Mormon guys and but anyway, yeah, no, they're really nice. I I like'em a lot. I couldn't believe how many

How many podcasts they have. Yeah, man, I I think when I was looking at the episode that you posted, it was like one one something. It was like almost in the two hundreds. I was like, Oh shit, yeah. So well that's good, man. That's um that's a nice hookup, man. Um

So she might have on the show or you guys or uh yeah, vice versa. So that's what she was saying, like so if you want to be on our show and I was like, Well, I mean we're not gonna intrude, but if you're gonna offer, like, yeah, why not, you know?

And that's when she was like and she was like, Yeah, she's like, you know, we're just booked out until April, so just, you know, keep keep in contact and uh like around March just hit me up and I was like for sure and then I told her the same thing, you know, like We know we could always have Holland on, you know, whatever. Uh

And she was like, Yeah, we're all you know, we're all for it. And yeah, she was she was cool as fuck, man. She was nice. She was real nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's um I don't know how many uh how many people are doing that in Utah.

Uh I mean there's probably just a handful yourself, them, and I mean not very many people are doing it. So it's a good it's a nice niche. Yeah, and like a a lot there is a lot of podcasts, but it's a lot of um It it uh I'm not gonna shit on anyone, but it's a lot of like L D S stuff, a lot of uh sports. Um yeah, it it's a lot of like that's what I noticed. A lot of uh

The Utah podcast or it's like a lot of like, you know, Ute Nation, fucking VYU, which is cool, you know, if you're all into that. I mean I like sports to a certain extent, but I don't know if I could do a whole podcast on'em, but um Yeah. Right. Right. I know I couldn't. Yeah, yeah. I mean I'll talk about it. Like it's cool, like

But I can't be like oh yeah I can't throw statistics. Yeah, like like hey, you know, like in uh fucking nineteen oh five, you know, uh fucking Bobby Boucher let the scoring touchdown. I I I yeah, I can't get I can't get that deep into it, you know. So

Yeah. Right. Well, you know, it's funny, I I I spent a lot of time just like like thinking about people that I that I think are interesting and and how the hell do I get them on video? And um and so you know, it's funny, man. I used I used to cold call um Celebrities No, not not really famous people that would sick their lawyer on me, but um just kind of like old washed up hasbins basically.

Um Yeah. And and actually I have I enjoy talking to those people way more than I would ever want to s talk to some You know, some benefits. kind of dude or something. You know, I'd much rather talk to Sergeant Cotrera from Chips, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like to be honest with you, I didn't know, but uh you know Roseanne Barr is from here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I got a I got a funny story about that, but go ahead.

Yeah, no, I mean uh uh I saw her on uh Rogan's podcast and he was asking her like, Oh, so how's Salt Lake?'Cause she she lives right off of uh She kinda lives up there like up in the avenues area. I know she's over there. She's always in City Creek. Um over there by the downtown. Yeah. She's always over there and shit. And

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And like they said that she's like real down to earth. She's real chill. Um obviously, you know, people give her her space, you know, they don't wanna like bombard her, but Thank you. Yeah. Uh that like you know, if you tell her hi and shit, you know, she'll actually talk to you. And I was like, Well, you know, if we use that fucking app, Spokio, just call people, you know, and fucking like Roseanne Bower, we're out here in fucking West Jordan, you wanna do a podcast?

Like we'll we'll fucking smoke you out with fucking hash from fucking Wendell or some shit. Well we'll do some mess we'll do some mescaline baby and get out the twister back. Show you good time.

I didn't fucking know this man, but you know Butch Cassidy is from Utah. Yeah, he's um from Circleville down south. Yeah. So was uh so was uh the Sundance Kid. Um yeah, they both they were they're both middle middle Utah. I I went to Circleville one time and um uh did a lot of digging around on his history. He was from there and uh there's a lot of strong evidence that

says that he actually died there too. Oh even though they say, you know, the movie makes it sound like they got killed this big shootout in Bolivia. Um I think it was Bolivia but but uh I I've got a really interesting book if you're ever interested in seeing it. There's this lady who who uh I met down in um in uh Washington County one time. She was selling books at the uh Little Historical Society down there. And uh she had actually

I mean sh dude, you think I do research, man. This lady crazy research on shit, man. I couldn't believe it. But she had tracked down to Circleville, having been born there, but she also knew that he died there and she had all kinds of evidence pointing to it. Nothing concrete, nothing DNA. But she actually she actually had DNA evidence that Sundance was buried in um the Fish Lake area. I think it's down by Pereguen. Oh Yeah. I mean she's she's got like history changing evidence. But uh

It's crazy. Anyway. Yeah. Because I was reading I don't know, I was just looking into like different cases and just, you know, like uh you know, mysteries of Utah and that's when he was saying that. fucking Butch Cassidy, you know, yeah, he was born there and I, you know, that whole shootout in Bolivia.

But they were saying that like uh they believe after that shootout, you know, obviously he's they thought, you know, they think he survived and he went back to visit his parents in Centerville. And that's where they yeah, they think, you know, he passed away there. There's just no real concrete evidence like you said that

Like catch himself like he died there, but they're saying that there's a lot of strong evidence, but I mean that would be pretty crazy, man, if it's true, you know. Now, you know what, dude? That's a lady you should have on your podcast, man. Yeah, I I could find her name. I have the book here. She is compelling. She's very, very interesting. That would be a really good

If you got her on on the telephone she'd chew your ear off about it. It's it's riveting stuff. Um I mean I I would let her talk. I mean that that's fucking awesome, dude. Yeah.

That's the thing, like, you know, we uh we went to that fucking Bullshit ass Lehigh fucking archive shit. Oh what happened? Nah dude when I went with you, remember we were like, Oh yeah, could we just check out the place real quick? And they were like it it's seven dollars and I was like, Alright, cool, like maybe we'll see some shit. Bro, that shit was like

I thought it was like a walk through a fucking it it was like it wasn't big, bro. It wasn't, you know. Apparently apparently it's haunted there, you know.

And they were like, Oh yeah, it's like no, but like it's haunted here and I was like, Man, I don't think that's fucking haunting as these fucking prices. Give me my goddamn much better. Yeah, that was pretty core. You know what it what's always I I hate when I go to a place like that. You think To yourself, okay, there's gonna be some really interesting local history stuff here, at least, even if it's not like

super uh compelling stuff. At least it's local. You know. Uh this you'll find you'll find some interesting evidence about Just some old, you know, infamous characters that are from there or, you know, something about the town history, you know, the but that place was full of fucking antiques from other states, like, oh yeah, these are some old lanterns from California.

Yeah. And I was like, bro, uh the only thing that was cool there was uh I I think it was uh it was an eighteen ninety four Winchester that was found over there by Utah Lake and I was like, Okay, that's the only cool I said yeah, that's the only cool thing. That's my amount everything else can fucking go back to wherever the fuck it came from, like, you know.

Well that's that's the kind that's the kind of stuff you would you would expect to see if you went to Lehigh and you went to the local museum And you were in town hanging out, seeing the in laws, and you were bored one day and you wanted to go check out some local history, that's what you'd expect to see, right? Yeah. You know, I I'm like, all right, like show me something.

Show me a fucking an axe that was found, you know, in a fucking creek by like a a Ute warrior or something like that. Show me so show me something like that. Like that'd be cool. Some some local Native American, you know, after stuff like that, you know? Yeah. I'll fucking see John Radicorn's tractor from fucking Arlington. Like I don't wanna see this shit, bro. Like someone show me some fucking show me some local stuff, you know, but

Did they have that thing? I remember that shit though. They had they just had shit from like California. They had just I'm like, yeah, this this has nothing to do with Utah, man. Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I hear ya, you know but you know, I mean if see that see that lady's an a uh pretty interesting example of somebody that I would probably shoot for if I wanted to if I lived down down in that area or if I wanted to know more about that case I'd totally find that lady. But she's completely obscure. Nobody knows who she is. She did these books maybe ten, ten, eleven, twelve years ago and she's an older lady and I think she's just kinda given up on it and

She's uncovered some insanely interesting real history that is the kind of stuff that would change the narrative on that whole story. I mean I I would always be I mean, you know before she passes, I mean that would be cool to fucking get in contact with the talk to her at least, like even just local shit about fucking besides Butch Cassidy, just Yeah. Maybe even even shit around the surrounding fucking, you know, old little towns like

That'd be pretty cool. Totally, totally. But um yeah, red on. Yeah, no. That's the kind of stuff I'm I'm always thinking about. But uh But then again I also want to talk to Isaac from the Love Boat, you know. I wanna talk I wanna talk to uh uh Sergeant Kacher from Chips, man. I wanna talk to ridiculous people. Yeah. Fucking Carlos

Unfortunately fucking Charlie Bronson, you know, but I've got a Charles Bronson story and it's true too. Let me hear it, man. Oh mate, dude, so like back in the nineties I was uh Uh ski patroller or not ski patroller, what the hell am I talking about? Um ski lift operator in Snowmass Village. Okay. Um which is, you know, coincidentally is where, you know, Ted Bundy had some ties there but

Uh you'd you'd say it wasn't like a big stretch to run into celebrities like Charles Bronson. Like it's basically aspen. Um You know, it's the next ski resort over from Aspen. It's literally like five miles away from Aspen Mountain. And so they all like if you buy a ticket for Uh Aspen Mountain, it's good for four different mountains all in the same area, the Aspen Skiing Company Mountain.

Buttermilk, Tayak, uh Aspen Highlands, Aspen Mountain and Snowmass. But you'd see celebrities all the time. It wasn't a big deal. But And you'd talk to'em, but it wasn't like a big deal either, you know, it was like Hi, bye, hello, how are you? That kind of bullshit. Yeah. You know. Yeah, who cares, you know? But uh I actually had a conversation with Charles Bronson. Fucking awesome, man. Oh man, I was shitting bricks. It wa it was'cause like I I was weaned on Charles Bronson movies, you know.

That's that's my shot. It was crazy. He's uh he's passed has he passed away? Yeah, I think he he's been dead for Yeah, he's been dead for a minute, right? Yeah.

Maybe ten or fifteen years, yeah. A little while. I fucking found that picture bro of fucking uh Charles Bronson as Charlie Brown. I was like, bro, this is fucking epic. Like I fucking love this picture. Like every chance I get I fucking use it as a response to someone on fucking Facebook. And I'm like, I yeah, I use that one or the one with fucking uh Michelangelo holding up fucking uh Saddam Hussein when they captured him. He's like giving the thumbnail. ¡Suscríbete al canal!

No, I uh that Charles Bronson was fucking hilarious. He threw that on under mine somewhere s recently. Was that today? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's when uh Fucking Paula had that picture of you with the fucking shades on and I was like uh tremendous with fucking Charlie Bronson. Yeah, man, we used to I used to play in this band back in the day and we'd always We'd always wear stupid shit. And I remember I I had a pair of like those cataract those old

Old man cataract sunglasses. They're so fucking dark you. You like trip on a cord on stage and you fall off the stage. I fucking fell off the stage one time because I was wearing those goddamn things. I couldn't see anything.

I was fucking like I was saying earlier I was looking up some fucking like you know uh cold cases of Utah and stuff and they were saying that there was uh the how's her name, Amber Oh, um Amber Fuck what's your name? I don't know you're I don't I don't know if it was a cold case, but it was like one of like the most famous like, you know, crimes of Utah.

Oh yeah, okay. She was abducted by her pad in up in Salt Lake at her parents' house. She was like fourteen. This was back like in oh six. It was the father's friend, right? Or like he worked with the dad. Something like that. Yeah. Like I I don't know. I I gotta look into it more. That's the thing. Like what the fuck are you talking about? I never heard of that. Like what's the one I can't remember that girl's name, man, and I feel kinda bad. We we went out over there by Logan Canyon.

What the hell is her name? Oh uh that the one we all went up to, right? Um god, Michaela Lewick? Lewick? Mackenzie Lewick, I think. Mackenzie Lewick. Yeah. Um Something w I forgot what the fuck. I think I even sent it to you, Chris. It was uh they found some of her I think it was like clothing or like

In the Jordan River over here? Yeah, I saw that. About right that was right about the time I was moving down here. I was yeah I was driving down and I saw that they just found some shit over by over by the golf course, man.

It's like a little bridge or something that goes over there. Uh just one of those it's it's just one of those cases, man, where like, you know, someone was kinda giving me shit at work about it'cause I was like That's why you gotta be careful who you talk to on fucking those social media sites and all that. Yeah. I mean yeah. I mean I I know she was doing what she had to do to fucking make money, but

I mean that's unfortunate that could be one of the fucking the consequences, you know. Yeah, I mean it's just it's it it is what it is. Like you gotta you gotta be careful, man. I mean'cause You just gotta you just gotta approach it, you know, whenever you talk about it people just.

You know, you don't make'em feel like you're not being judgy. You're just you're just discussing it, you know. That's what it'cause someone someone mentioned it to me like if I heard it and I was like, Yeah, actually uh I was like, Yeah, actually I was actually gonna fucking do a case on it and they were like, What? And I was like, Yeah, you know and they were like And they they're they they're like, Don't you respect her and her family? I was like, Yeah, dumbass, that's why I was gonna do it.

Well of of course. We're not we're not going to desecrate her grave or anything. Yeah, we're not gonna be a bunch of assholes and like fucking uh throw a fucking Mexican fiesta around where she was fucking found. Like we're not gonna You just wanna get some more details'cause you don't understand the case. I get it. Yeah. Like for example, bro, like

Yeah, unfortunately, you know, they didn't find Lynette Culver, but I'm sure you gave the family some fucking closure with that fucking memorial. Like Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome, dude. Like for you to do that. Like and y you d you didn't have to do that. You just did that because, you know, you're interested in the case and you wanted to bring some sort of closure before, you know, unfortunately that family passes on into the next life, but

You did that. Yeah. Many other people did, you know, like they helped they contributed. Yeah. But it's like I mean people could just I don't even want to say go out of their way, but like some people just have the fucking heart in them to do it, so why not? Like if someone can bring closure to one's family, even some sort of closure, then why not?

Yeah. Or or just stop the or or just bring anything positive to it at all, you know? Um the fucked up thing is, dude, like You know, I watch some of these fucking bunny documentaries and stuff and No one ever fucking really covers that one. No one really covers fucking Melissa Smith. No one really covers

A lot of'em. Like this kind of brush over. I mean like who knows if there's who knows if there's even some that they can't even fucking cover because we don't even know about them. Who knows if we ever will know? Like unfortunately. But like Or like Yeah, or like they'll say like misinformation about fucking uh you know, Laura Amy. They'll say misinformation about this this girl or this girl, like well yeah, she was a party girl, but you know, deep down she was like

A good girl, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the fucked up thing with it, is like Yeah, I mean... That's why at the same time it's like fuck, um you got some assholes that would just say anything just to get their fucking five seconds of fame and like they'll they'll misinformation shit, you know? It's like, come on man, like you gotta you gotta respect the deceased, bro.

Yeah, no for sure. And you know there's a lot of reasons that Free you know, it's just funny, I g I mean I could tell you a couple of little little things I noticed from some of those documentary guys that that was that was interesting with that. Like it you you brought up Lynette Culver, for example. Um when those Discovery ID guys are in town from London Really cool guys. Re I mean they were they they were great guys. I mean I really respect

uh their work in the sense that, you know, they were doing something a little different, man. Like they spent like a ton of time interviewing this guy Gene Flat from he's the guy that uh arrested Bundy and in Aspen. And he dude, that's a guy. That's a guy. I can give you his number. That's a guy that would chew your ear off about The Aspen Valley, the Bundy Case, Spider Savage, all that stuff. He's a great dude, man. He would he's he's really fun to talk to.

Um and he loves to just chat about that shit, dude. I mean he's he's no cowboy cowboy lives in Ill Illinois now and I think he's You know, he's he's having a hard he can't work. So he's the poor guy's just kinda he's having a hard time just uh

Um, you know, keeping it together'cause he he's you know, he's having a hard time financially and stuff, I think. But but great guy, really smart, fun, interesting. Anyway, but Uh what I was gonna say was is that the Discovery ID guys I I mentioned that whole culver thing to'em and laid it out to'em and they they just didn't really

You know, they they didn't really want to go all the way up to Pocatello and cover it. And I think partial partially that's'cause You know, when you're doing a big production like that, they have time frames and there's all this money involved and they have to stick to a schedule'cause they just flew over from London and

You know, so they they kinda get bogged down but they also just kick stuff out real quick, get it done. And but they didn't they weren't interested in covering that. And I think like the Melissa Smith and Laura Ink stuff Nobody really covers it because uh is it's not an open book. Uh there's n you know, there's people don't know much about it, you know, and it's and it's gonna take a significant amount of digging to get at the truth of that stuff. It's hard work and they don't have time for it.

Yeah. I think that's one thing like It was the schedule. And then but like here's the thing though, like I g I think that's why like I gravitated towards your channels because you're saying you're going and doing cases that no one else is doing because one, you wanna sh like shed light to these cases.

And you're also like digging. Like how come they're not covering this? Okay, well there's not enough information. So fuck it. I I'm I'm a local guy. I'm gonna dig into it and I'm gonna dig in more. I'm gonna dig in deeper. And then same thing with you know, Laura. Melissa Smith, fucking uh Nancy Wilcox you

You just went you went deeper than the average Joe and like that's that's one thing I think other people don't bother you. That's one thing I could respect is like you know, you're bringing light to a case that like everyone just kind of like you said, unfortunately they just fucking kinda blow past it. And yeah, I get it. If I was like in that

If I had the fucking means and the money of production, that's the one that I would want to fucking dig into because Yeah, right. That's it's one of those things where it's like fucking like, yeah, me, this guy and Chris. Digged into this. We bought this, you know, we bought this to like we bought some fucking closure to her family, their families. Why not, dude? Like that would be fucking awesome.

Well right. And it's you know, it's so obvious. I mean, you know, granted like when I was there I had kind of an edge on other people covering the Bundy case. in the sense that I lived there and I could I could really spend a lot of time on it. And there it just it didn't seem like a there was many people doing that. So, you know, in a way that was kind of just dumb luck, you know. Uh but here's the thing here's the thing, man. Like, yeah, I'll give you that.

But you're persistent. You you went out and you fucking looked for it. Some people just want that shit fucking handed to them. That's not how it works, man. You gotta go out, you pressed, you called people. Yeah, you called people multiple times. Maybe some of them hung up on you the first time, you know? Persistent. Hey, you know what? Let me talk to this guy. And then when they actually looked into your stuff.

Like fuck, this guy's actually taking this serious. He's not just another fucking asshole. Boom. Yeah. You know, like they yeah, they saw your fucking persistence, they saw your channel. Maybe, you know, like yeah, this guy actually this guy is actually like a he he actually cares. He's a fucking you know, he's a historian and he actually wants to bring some fucking light to this case. Why not? Let me let me tell him what I know.

And like bro, y you have that fucking piece of trash that that that piece of trash that they fucking mailed to you from uh Kevin Sullivan, yeah. That's fucking awesome, dude. Like no one else I bet you has that shit. Like Well, I I think a few people do, but it's um but I know what you mean. I I I know what you're saying.

Well, and you guys are in a position to do that right now, man. You guys can be hitting some of this stuff super hard. Uh I know. I'm I'm definitely gonna dull that fucking spokio and I'm just gonna like Whoever's willing to talk, man, I'm gonna, you know,'cause at the end of the day, bro, they're doing they're do they're doing us a favor. Like they're taking time out of their day to talk to us.

And if not, I get it. I mean they don't have to. I'm sure they get tired of it. Like I I understand. But if someone's willing to talk to us. And'cause we actually fucking care. There's just a lot of assholes out there who just want that fucking one minute of fucking clout and money. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. No. Like if you know, if they're actually willing to talk to us and give us some fucking light and

share their knowledge of what they know. Cause once they're gone, bro, unless they don't have that shit written down, that all that info goes with them. No one unfortunately. So it's like I I'm all for it man. Like d this fucking podcast could be fucking four hours. I'll I'll let them talk. I don't give a shit. Like Yeah. Who cares? Right? Just let'em roll. Let'em talk. Absolutely. You know, I and there's and there's um there's a load of people out there, you know, that have interesting

things that would be wonderful for anybody's podcast. You just gotta I guess you just gotta find that focus, you know? And it's and it's hard as fuck, man, to find. To to find that. But uh when you do, it's like, damn, you guys are in a great position, man. There's a lot of interesting history in Utah. Uh yeah, there is definitely I mean that's that's one of the reasons why I wanted to start this like

Just just Bundy alone, dude. Just Bundy alone. All the history of Bundy, just Jesus Christ. You could go down that route, you could go down history of you you could like bro, I didn't know, you know, and I was like I kinda laughed about it. Whoever's Mormon, I'm not fucking hating, just fuck off. I didn't know bro that

The United States of America and Utah were at war once, before Utah was a state. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean there was never a fucking shot fired, but they were at war. Yep. And I know one of the reasons why Utah such had such a hard time wanting to become a a state, they had to give up a lot of their, you know, religious I guess uh practices.

They they had to give up uh legally they had to give up polygamy. That's one of the big things yeah, they had that's one of the things I knew that they had to give up. But they wanted to be like California and um Texas. They wanted to become like its own thing, like a republic, you know? Sure. But yeah, I mean just and then like so that will lead you into Mountain Meadows Massacre. Yeah. And then that it just leads into different things. It leads into uh

Fuck, what's the fort? It's it's present day Provo, but there's a fort out there. I I think it's a replica now of the fort that was there, but that's where the the Utah militia like Fort Bennings in Georgia.

The the fort, uh that's where they fought um it's not Chacatao. It's not Ute, but that's where they fought some Native Americans. Okay. Uh yeah, then like you just Yeah these uh cult cases and you know I just kinda just go and do whatever I gotta do to get some of these fucking police r uh reports on some of these fucking uh you know, open open cases and shit. I guess try to bring some light to it. I mean

You know, the the uh that Susan Powell stuff is really hot right now, you know? The the Susan the Susan Cox Powell, you know, Josh Powell thing. Is uh that's fucking fascinating, man. Uh but there's so many people on it right now. The problem the problem with um there being too much interest, I think that's what I was

I was th I was trying to figure out what the hell I was trying to say to you, but I think that's it.'Cause I was I was kicking around in my head. What am I trying to fucking say here? Um I think it the sometimes when you Like with the Bundy case is a great example. When I when I first started looking at it, um

That one summer when I was bored and I started just, you know, kicking around and looking for people to talk to about it. There wasn't a whole lot of people really talking about it at the time, just for a minute. And then gradually in the next two years it just started snowballing and it I don't know what it was like the collective unconscious. Everybody was interested suddenly.

And what that what the problem with that is, is it's a double edged sword. You get a double sided sword, you you have a audience that is interested in what you can find. And this could be with any case in Utah. But So that's beautiful, right? But guess what? The problem is is that it scares away everybody uh that has

something to say about the case, some some evidence to reveal about it. It's like you're you know, it's like you're going fishing and some jackass is throwing Is is dynamite in the lake, right? Yeah. scares all the fish away. Um the other thing is it is it um it makes I don't know man, you just get people people get really weird about it. I don't know. It's it's hard to explain but I noticed

that after a couple of years of digging into it, it suddenly everything dried up. It was like suddenly like You can talk to people but it it just got weird. You know, like people I don't know. No no everyone I I hear what you're saying, like and that's the thing too, like um And you know what's funny, man, uh since since you mentioned that, I remember when we went to do that uh

Laura Amy. Was it Laura yeah, it was Laura Amy. Like where you showed me where they they discovered her body up over there in uh AF. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I remember when we went and um We went right behind where that uh Is it where that that little hangout was? What the fuck is the name? Oh, the the old Naughty Pine building, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Naughty Pine. Okay. I remember how w those people came out of that Lehigh, uh like the Lehigh newspaper outlet right there right next to it?

Oh yeah, right. Right. I remember how right away they were talking to us and like, Oh yeah, you know, we knew them, like we went to school with them, you know, and uh you know, like they were they took time to talk to us and we were fucking um We were in the back and you were doing there was a coincidentally there was that that blue uh little Volkswagen. Yeah, right. Okay. I remember it's funny, off camera I told you straight up

Watch this fucking Ted Bundy movie blow this shit up to another fucking level. Because of this movie, it's gonna be that much harder to talk to people. And I get it. Some some people are gonna want money. I get it. I get it to a certain extent. I get it. Right. But like I I know Carol Duranche is always, I'll talk to you. Give me some money. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess

I guess she has the right. I mean, she almost fucking died. She's she's the reason why he ended up getting caught, real really. Sure. Sure. I get it. So it's like but I I remember I told you like watch this shit blow up, bro. Yeah. And I remember I remember we were talking like, Yeah man, we'll go you know, we'll go to his old apartment.

Said, all right, Chris, this will be cool, homie. And then you were like, Yeah, man, they were basically like the owner was like, Man, fuck off, you know, with this video And I was like fucking I was like, Man, it's fucking Just this whole thing, you know, like and that's a that's and that's the thing sometimes with these uh cases, unfortunately.

It'll it'll kinda hit a plateau for a good while. No one's really talking about it. And then as soon as they make the movie, fucking boom. And then it'll go back and then it'll do the same thing. But Yeah. You know, then you got and then you got assholes vandalizing the property. I'm sure that's you know that I get that. So And that sucks, yeah. You know. Yeah.

So it's just one of those things where I'm like, these fucking assholes, man, like you take it away from people who are actually interested and want to fucking look into stuff, you know? Yeah. Like sure. It just like with just like with everything, you have those one assholes that ruin it for everybody else.

For sure, for sure. And and uh yeah, I mean that's a great example, like the Um, you know, like those those those girls when we did that that one video, the girls that live there are really nice girls. They one of'em's a DJ at I I wanna say

is I can't remember if it's Deviator if that's an old club that I'm forgetting about. But anyway, they're they're great girls, but guess what? As soon as the movie comes out, as soon as all the Uh, I don't I don't want to say it had anything to do with me because it was like a snowball effect that was already happening with or without me, but the case was becoming more and more

popular. I mean it was becoming teeny bopper land, man. Um and what was going on is as you can imagine, people were swinging by the apartment, you know, from out of town. They'd swing you know, you go to you go to Salt Lake, first thing they do, let's go to Ted Bundy's apartment. Yeah. And I mean I'm not saying it's what most everybody did, but a lot of people were d a lot of people. And then there's, you know, endless, you know

video being taken there for different documentaries and stuff, you know, and after a while these chicks are like, fuck off, man. No, I mean I get it, man. Like it's uh it's an evasion of private after a while, yeah. I mean it's like, hey man, I just wanna come home. Fucking relax, watch some TV, do whatever you're gonna do without some fucking asshole coming in here like

Oh hey yeah is this where Ted Bundy did this? Man, fuck off like Well and that's that's the th that's the thing I was saying about scaring the big fish off with the dynamite in the lake, you know? Um it's like I don't know, you know, any more like I mean I could I could tell you a lot of crazy shit about that whole Zack Baggin shit if you wanted.

Uh Um if if if you're comfortable bro, I mean I know you g you know, I know you got I'm not gonna say it, you know, I know you got your things going on, but i if you're if you want, man, it's yeah, we're all leaders, bro. But if if you don't want to, I understand.

Nah, we'll talk let's talk about some other time. I don't mind talking about it to you guys. It's uh as I don't know Yeah, I don't feel like talking about it tonight, but it's not like a No, no, fuck I you know, and that's the thing, every time Every time that guy's name comes up, everybody seems to say, Yeah, fuck that guy And it's like who wants to talk my thing is is who wants to talk about that guy anyway? You know?

So but uh when we do the Emmanuel David case, you can tell us off camera. Oh yeah, I'll tell you all about it. Um, but the point but the point for me is is, you know, um it all kind of came to a head for me about six months ago or five months ago that I was like, you know, I am so fucking sick to death of this Ted Ted Bundy shit.

Yeah, no, and that's the thing, man. Like I I know like that's the thing. Like you s you know, that's why we tell you, hey man, if you don't wanna talk about it, yeah, man I get it because I could sure I'm sure it burns you out just like anything else. Like And then that's that's what's cool is like you're getting into the Frank Collada and then you're getting into like the whole

outfit out there in Vegas and you can just fucking dig deep into all that stuff, man. The star does fucking just Yeah, fucking untap. You can yeah, you can just dig into h all that Chicago outfit out there and you could dig into so much shit, dude. Like Just that just that whole mob scene alone. Then you could dig into fucking Tupac. Then you could dig in unfortunately to the uh

That fucking asshole who shot all those fucking poor people at that concert, bro. You could dig into so much shit. Like Oh, there's so much, I know. It's crazy.

Well, you know, um one you know, a couple of couple of things I got going. For example, I'm pretty much ready to publish the that Bundy book, it's it's ready to go. You know, it's just a matter of dropping it. But the other thing I'm doing I'm I've decided to focus on is uh I'm gonna do a biography on Pete Hayward, the sheriff of Salt Lake back in the Back in the uh sixties, seventies and eighties he was um

Hey anyway, he's a very important uh law enforcement character in Utah. Um incredible story. I've been I've gotten to be pretty good friends with his family and a lot of people he used to work with and stuff. So that's my next Focus that one I'm doing interviews on on him right now from people that knew him. But one thing I'm you know, as far as like videos, yeah, exactly, man. Like it's like I got this culotta video, it's fucking enormous. The summer I'm gonna go

do a big video on the Leonard Lake case, which is out in California, uh, where I'm from. I'm gonna go spend spend uh three or four weeks out there and just film that and interview people and I mean yeah, I if I wanted to I could do a thousand fucking little videos on a lot of different things, but it's really time consuming, you know? Oh yeah, I can imagine that man. It's a lot of shit to just kinda information just

Yeah, totally, Quentin. It's just um you know, you can wear yourself out, man. It's uh but that's you know, I I think uh in a roundabout thing I was just saying with the Bundy thing, the the lesson I learned for it from myself is is, you know, get what you can and get the hell out. Don't let it consume you. Try to find something that's not um

Like like for you guys and me too. Me too is like I'd I wanna find shit that people aren't really talking about en masse because sooner or later that's what's gonna come forth anyway and even if it doesn't you can be the guy that brings it forth you know and that's the thing man like

The whole Emmanuel David case, yeah, like it's covered. But not really but it really isn't at the same time. Exactly. So it's like so that's that's why I'm like fucking it uh and like I people here don't know what to fucking talk to. And I told you and I was like, Fuck it, why don't we fucking like why don't we bring some light to it? And um and like that's the thing, like you I'm not gonna name anybody, but you were like, Oh yeah, that flame at the cemetery. Um you were like

Yeah, I mean like we can always go and like hey man this is where they're at. Like like you we he told you where they are, like he showed you where they are. And like Yeah. I bet you I bet you you could ask people Do you know where they're buried? None of'em will say. Oh, nobody knows. No. Yeah, no one knows, you know. Nobody knows.

And that's the thing, man. It's like we could bring light to that shit. And unfortunately, as much as I want to do the high fight killers, a lot of those people are fucking gone, man. Yeah, and the a lot of evidence is gone too. The buildings are gone. I mean there's just It's uh to me it's a fascinating case, but they covered that one up pretty good, man. They you know Yeah.

That one, like the shop is gone. Yeah. The guys who did the fucking face are fucking I think one died in the eighties, another one died like They were executed, I think. Unfortunately the The people, they're they're gone, man. So it's like But like some of the people who were there during the Manual David, they're like Maybe late fifties, early sixties, like so they're still around. Oh yeah. Like that like that that kid, what is it, uh, the bell boy?

Or the front desk attendant. Yeah, yeah. There's other people. Yeah, I mean there's a and then the one that always fascinated me, man, and like a lot of people don't really cover it besides when I saw it on your channel was the uh the the Charlie Square fucking massacre dude like Oh yeah man like that is just the whole thing is just interesting dude like Yeah. No, that one's that one's crazy interesting, man. Um and there's and um yeah, I mean that one would be worth covering again'cause uh

Uh they there's just a lot left to say about that one, but um that's a crazy when you if anyone if anyone hasn't seen his video, I don't give a fuck. Go fuck your mother. But fucking When you went into that freezer and that fucking dude looked like you just did a bump and shit. I'm like I'm like yo, this Chris almost got this man arrested right now. Like people, you you you wanna come in the future?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess you can. I guess you can. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? That was so funny because we were with uh Uh we were with Morona that that cop and he uh Yeah and Morona is like Morona is like this um he used to he was a resource cop that West High when I was working there. And he's just the he's the sweetest guy on the planet. I mean, he's just a for a cop, you know what I mean? Like he's just he's a sweetest.

You know, he's a uh very religious, faithful man, you know, faith based man. But he's walking around that day when I was interviewing him, he's walking around Trolley Square like he owns the goddamn place. And he's just he walks right back in that kitchen. Yeah, that was so fucking funny.

And that's it. I was actually laughing, bro,'cause I remember like he's like walking around like, Hey, I mean, can you open this up? And like you open it and the fucking manager looks like he just like his his hair was all fucking spiky, like His eyes were all fucking wide, like, Oh you you wanna come in the freezer? And he's all Yeah, like step aside And he's like, Oh yeah, yeah Then let me just grab this. I'm all this fucking guy like Yeah, yeah, let me let me just grab this bag real quick.

And he's looking it was funny'cause he comes out and he's looking at Moroni and he's just freaking out. You know, like oh God, what is this cop back in my kitchen? Talking to me about what? And then he looks over at me and he's like, And this guy's fucking filming it Oh, it was yeah, no, that was brilliant, man. Fucking great. Those are the little things that happen when you're just kinda having fun, you know.

But um you gotta get some more uh some more uh you gotta find yourself some Moroni type cops that'll just take you wherever you wanna go, you know. Let's go do that. And that's the thing, man. Like you know, I'm sure there's a handful of'em. We just gotta reach out to'em, you know, see who's willing to. And if not, I I get it, but it'd be cool to reach out to some of'em and see if they'll let us, but You know what always makes me laugh is uh

Well where we went to that uh where that fucking uh I hope you just said the name of it,Pani 혹시 반응이요? 반응이요? 반응이에요. Yeah, the hangout over there in the highway. Naughty fine. Naughty fine. Naughty fine. Okay. Yeah, I'm not finding these. I'm showing that. Okay. Naughty fine. Yeah. We went in there. We went in there and the fucking...

Though the it's it's like a chiropractor office, right? Yeah. And then the guy comes out like all fucking like trying to act like I got my degree happy life here, you know, I'm the shit, you know. Yeah. What's up, man? I'm like, hey, what's up, dude? And he's like, Yeah, what are you guys doing? Like you can't film in here. And Chris is like, Hey, hey, it's okay, man. Like we're just you know, we're doing the whole bunny thing and he's like,

Like a fucking plane. And he's like Oh, um okay, well you can record that. I don't know about those other businesses, but yeah, you can't record my stuff. And Chris is like, All right, uh and he's like, uh He's like, Well, when when he's like, when are you not here? And he's like, Oh, like you know, Tuesdays and Thursdays He's like, Okay, we'll come back then the guy's like, You fucking asshole right through his phase and I was I was fucking laugh as you can hear me on the camera laughing.

And the guy's like, I'm serious, you can't come back. We'll come back when you're not here. And all the other businesses were cool, they didn't give a fuck. They were like, oh yeah, go ahead. Oh my god. Yeah, they don't care. They yeah. Well it's some some people are just so bizarre. Yeah. I don't know what the deal, but um

Yeah. I I I even told him I was like I didn't even like mentioned so I'm like, wouldn't you want people to know that this is where you know, maybe unfortunately this is where she was abducted? Like Like you your your your place of business is a part of like Utah history for unfortunately a fucked up reason, but it's part of history.

Yeah. Utah wise when it comes to fucking murder cases. I'm like, no one really gives a fuck that it's off of here in fucking you know, Main Street a fucking chiropractor business. Like Hãy đăng ký kênh để ủng hộ kênh của mình nhé! Isn't that weird though, like that um You know, they like nobody has any idea about any of that.

Bundy stuff associated with any of those places in L I mean that stuff is like completely forgotten history. Completely fucking like seven eleven, or that's what's crazy, man. Like you would think it would be like Like, oh, this is where it happened. What was that city, man, that we went to when we saw Laura Amy's Burg? Hãy subscribe cho kênh La La School Để không bỏ lỡ những video hấp dẫn

Did we go all the way down there? Um yeah we did, bro. It was like It was it was all like oil dale, like Oh, you guys both came, yeah, that's right. Um the music just stopped. Like it went from fucking Uh Hank William Senior to fucking Freddie Fender. They're like, Get the fuck out, bro. Like, all right, bro. We're out of here. Yeah um that was uh Fair Fairview. Fairview. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. It was beautiful. I'll give it that.

Fuck it, I might end up having to deal with some fucking Billy Ray Cyrus Fox, but it's a scenery could come through. It was beautiful scenery. It was it was pretty scenery, bro. I I love that shit like.

Bro, if there was more jobs in South Dakota, I would move out there. Yeah. Just because of how fucking beautiful it was, like out there by the black hills and even the like the breeze and it's just fucking beautiful, dude. But I'm like It was fucking cool, man, just going down there and then going to all those other little small fucking towns, you know?

Yeah. If anyone here if anyone listening to this fucking shit, like Chris's words, if anyone's listening to this shit if anyone lives in fucking Brigham City Man, fuck that city. All right. Oh, is that that Bro if I was fucking dying. Yeah. They're like, Oh yeah, hold on and then they fucking hang up. I'm like, you know what, bro, I'm dead. Yeah, it's like it the door doesn't it's supposed to be a safe space where you can call this it's like a bulletproof place.

Well you can it has like a payphone and you can call nine one one directly for'cause I just told you should have been a phone. Without without any quarters or anything. So it's like so you pick it up and someone says, please hold. And we're waiting for twenty minutes, we realize that the fucking door doesn't lock, so if somebody actually was being chased Yeah, we're fogged. I would just be like, Oh hail Joseph Smith and the door just opened. Like Did you talk about

I don't know about this story. Yeah, you don't think I've Yeah, you were It we that's when we went and that that's when we went that's when we went looking at in that uh Mackenzie Lewis case. We stu we stopped there. Oh it was that Sunday and uh Yeah, I remember now. Dad, what's that?

That was Brigham City. Brigham City. Yeah. That was Brigham City. Okay. That's right. That's right. Yeah, because I I remember because it like it it is. It's nice. Like the area is nice. And I was like, what do you think about this guy? I'm I'm thinking about this place. Man, fuck this place. I wouldn't live here. I was like, all right. I got my answer. And then I'm like, let me see why. And then when we went to that sheriff's office, I was like, you know what?

Yeah, yeah. And people there were like real standoffish, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like when we went to what was it, that sh uh Chevron? Oh yeah when we walked in. And we told those old ass fucking No those old ladies wanted a fucking lynching. She's like no, we don't talk about that here. I was like, Tell him, tell him large barge sent you. And I was like, all right, relax, segregation. We're out of here.

It was a dark night. Go But that's what she reminded me of, like Lord Marge and I was like, but like she wasn't fucking with us, dude. Yeah, no, she just did it fucking wanted to. Like it's it like Ray Shit, I don't give a fuck. I really don't. She just wasn't

Maybe'cause it was such a new case. Yeah.'Cause it just happened like the week before, right? What whatever it was she didn't fucking fuck yeah, she just wasn't fucking with it. And I remember like she even asked the other girl and the other girl was like

All right, segregation. Well, we're out of here. Don't worry. You're like, why not, man? What is the big fucking deal, man? Yeah, I was just like, okay. And then they're they're like, yeah, you might want to check with you know this police department. And they fucking sent us all over him, ever the only one that was cool was the uh that fucking cop at that Maverick. Yeah. Yeah, at the Logan PD. Yeah. He was like getting gas. Chris and I went up and talked to him and he just holds shit up.

We're actually not covering that uh Salt Lake County is. And we were like, Fuck, bro, like fucking two hours back. All right, fuck it, let's go. And I was like

I thought that that that was kinda interesting how those guys didn't know anything. You know, it's like really? I I think they're kinda scary because it's like the same shit we see with like funding. But it but it's not even it was but it wasn't even that though. It was just like

He was like the guy was nice, he was cool. Yeah. But as soon as we brought it up, like his reaction just kind of went like what the fuck? And like and like he even like he even asked us like for what? And we were like, Yeah, you know, just like we're we're being respectful, we just wanted to And he's like, Yeah, unfortunately like we're not covering it at Salt Lake.

And maybe may maybe because that guy who lived off of uh what is it, nine hundred west? Yeah. Wait. Nine hundred west, is it's right, nine hundred west. He lives over there off of uh Over there by that fucking Santo Taco and was it Temple, right? North Temple? Oh, yeah. That like that where yeah, unfortunately where like the remains like where she was burnt. Oh the Airbnb the Airbnb house.

Yeah,'cause it's over there in like the Rose Park area, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Yeah, yeah. Um and that's when that girl that lady Yeah, the lady, she's like they got cameras. They got cameras in like, yeah, shut the fuck up. Like, I don't give a fuck. Like we're not being assholes. Coming over here throwing fucking Mexican fucking voodoo and shit, we're just Yeah. Yeah. Like what the fuck, dude? We're not doing we're not doing Santo Rio.

And it's fucked up because I remember like I looked over and you could see just all the whole floor was like black. Yeah, I just uh the fucking camera over the ledge. That's where I got that footage. Yeah, so it's like one of those things where I'm like, all right, man, like And then like I think a few weeks later I went I went to uh I I went back to the house on my own. Like this guy was in school and Jacob was fucking

on the fucking operating table and well no he was. That's when he was like in the operating table and shit and uh I uh a cop was there and he c he was down the the block looking at the house. So when I put my car up he came I just cool about it. I just told him straight up what, you know, hey man, you know, I just you know, we came a few weeks back, like when it was still kinda fresh and

We uh you know, we just kinda wanna bring some light to it, man, because you know, like we know you guys are doing your thing, but it doesn't I don't it just seems odd. Like the whole thing is odd.

And he was real cool he was real cool, man, and he told me, You know what, man, it's still a crime scene. Like that we're still trying to get shit from it. Give it a few months and then always like just go down to the Salt Lake, uh just go down to the fucking the the department and then just kinda tell them hey, you know, you wanna you wanna get like a a police escort to go check it out.

It's like we're I'm sure the morals like we'll be willing to do it. He's all just it's still an open case and we're like, All right, cool man. Mm-hmm.'Cause he was yeah, he wasn't tried yet. He he he hadn't been tried yet, shit. Yeah, he's some something's been going on with that lately. Aren't they aren't they trying to pin another Girl's death on that guy right now? They're trying to pin like I think another one or two. So it's like

I get it. It's a fucking ser it's a fucking serial killer, man. Yeah, exactly. You know, and I'm like Yeah, no, that's why I was like, Okay, fuck it, I'll be respectful, you know, like as soon as and like yeah, it's been a few months. It's been what, July? July. Yeah. July. So it's gonna be six months. So I figured maybe when it starts getting a little warmer, we could always go check it out and then just kind of be like, hey

More or less, you know, if if it's if it's kinda closed now, where did you guys more or less find more of her remains at up there in Logan Canyon?'Cause Logan Canyon is fucking huge, bro. I'm not gonna find it. Yeah. Like Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so Yeah. Trying to be respectful about it at the same time. It's like... Yeah, I don't know, man. It's it the way the just the whole thing is weird, dude. The whole fucking thing is just weird.

Yeah. Yeah, I just didn't get to know enough about it. To me it just seems like um okay, so he had an Airbnb. He had written a true crime novel about a murderer, right? And and then he he was um trying to trick girls like Mackenzie back to his house. Yeah, basically that, you know,'cause I don't know if it's true, don't fucking quote me. But I know she was like a they were saying more than salon, like a sugar baby. Kind of sugardaddy dot com, wasn't it? Yeah. Okay. So

Hey girl, do your thing, you know? You gotta get by, you gotta pay that tuition. Do your do your thing, my queen, do your thing. But this motherfucker ain't no fucking sugar. And that's what No That's what happened. And he met her at that park over there by that fucking garage on bed going that way towards the fucking The distilleries and all that shit? The the factories? Well it's yeah heart. Yeah. Patch Park wasn't it? Yeah, there you go.

like tender fucking crageless, you never know. But that was a that was a specific fucking sugar daddy fucking website. So it's like'cause you even with that shit you never know, you know, are they gonna Show up with your sugar daddy or are they gonna show up with fucking bag of he was from um Al Sagundo? Yeah Al Sagundo ain't no That ain't no fucking Oh really? Yeah, she was from Osagundo. That's a nice area, bro. That he was. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like

I mean, unfortunately, she, you know, that's what happens. I don't want to say that. I mean, that's what happens. Well, you know and you know and and of course You know, you never wish something on somebody like that. Of course. You know, she's doing what she's she wants to do and but but it is what w the game she was playing is very dangerous. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

And and you know, it's just it that is that's just a fact. You know. Like um, you know, she was she was playing with fire. Yeah, exactly. By I mean there was uh you know, yeah, I mean how many people how many prostitutes over the over the decades have have been victims of serial murder? I mean just

fucking thousands of them over you know, and all over the world I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just i it's it's just what happens, you know. I'm not saying it's right. The other day, what was it? Yesterday. Yeah, yesterday. I fucking seen some I seen some shit over there by uh Conwood Heights, you know? I I s I was in uh I think I was like in the Mill Creek area. I was coming home. I seen this fucking like trailer trash couple fucking arguing outside of a fucking maverick.

And this fucking chick drove off with like her man's truck. And this fucking guy was like pissed off that she was taken off. So he threw his fucking like bacon and egg and cheese fucking sandwich at the fucking back of the truck. And he was like, he's like, you just made me fucking ruin the best thing of my morning. And he's like, that shit was gonna be better than your fucking blowjob this morning. And I was like, that's what America's all about, right there.

Like every everyone's looking at him and like some cop was right there just like shaking his head, like uh I'm like uh it feels good to be stupid shit, like just some of the shit that I see here, man, in Utah, I'm like Like the billboard signs, you know, like fucking pull out, it's not worth it. I'm like tremendous, dude. Like a fucking huge ass billboard going into Salt Lake, it's like pull out, it's not worth it. Save yourself from sin. I was like So, yeah, man. Fucking God love you, Tom.

Five Mormons. Yeah. Hey Christie there? Time's still going. It might just be the end, like the connection. Oh, still going. Chris? What's it say on there? Like is that connection or connected? Can you hear me? Yeah, what's on? There you go. Sorry, I don't know what I did. Um

Yeah, sorry, bro. Um yeah, Utah's Utah's a strange place, man. It's uh I don't even know what to what to think about it. It's been interesting having a little perspective away from it for a while. Um But uh yeah, you guys are you guys will have plenty to f to research up there.

Yeah, there's all there's all kinds of shit, man. I mean we're just starting from I think we're gonna start from uh I I know I'm not gonna be able to talk to anybody, but I think we're gonna start from like the Hi Fi I'm uh I'm gonna look more into it, you know, later on tonight and tomorrow and then just kinda dig into it and then

Just kinda take it for what it is, see if I could dig more into it and then from there just dig into some more of these other cases that you don't really hear about and then just history with Utah and Just different shit. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Sounds good. Yeah.

Things will be gifted to you, you know. Things will just come in all right in your lap. You'll be like, Damn, what a gift. This is really interesting. So yeah, just keep digging, man. Yeah. So uh what do you uh So besides your uh you know, the Frank Collada and all that and uh You know, besides your book, what else you got planned, man? Uh come anything you wanna promote, man, go ahead, shoot, you know, shoot shout out. Oh, shoot. Uh thanks, man. Um

You know, just uh just keep an eye out folks. Check out Captain Borax once in a while. I'm getting uh I'm getting a new computer because I found that my computer just can't handle my videos, man. It's choking and sputtering, but I've got about Five videos all lined up, ready to go. One of them's this uh a large video on Frank Collada, the the uh one of the members of the Hole in the Wall gang for Tony Spilatro who is uh

The guy who was guarding the skim down in here in in Las Vegas from the Chicago outfit. Absolutely fascinating story. And I should have that I should have that done any time. Like it's like it's three quarters of the way done. I've just been working fixing it up a little bit here and there every day after work and then doing bigger pieces on the weekends. But the biggest challenge is just rendering that. So I have that and I have um

Uh I have a couple of drive around videos. I still need to finish that uh that beloved Rhonda Stapley one that you and I did. Uh that that one's on the list for sure. I have that one. I was just looking at that one. Um uh the Ted Bundy book, you know, well that's that's gonna be published sooner than later. I just haven't been spending a lot of time thinking about it just because it's been kinda nice.

Nothing else. Avoiding to buddy. But it's the book is the book is finished, you know. So it's just it's ready to come out, ready for some light editing and and that'll be coming out probably this summer. Um And then uh I'm working specifically. I'm just spending a lot of time digging into the research on Uh, Pete Hayward, I was telling you about that. Uh we need we need to do our video on uh Emmanuel David for sure. Yeah, for sure, man. And

And then I have another one in California I'm doing this summer and a multitude of just little small videos and so Captain Borax folks, just check it out. I'm on Facebook, I'm on YouTube, always looking around. Um I've been spending a lot of time digitalizing old eight millimeter videos of Las Vegas and California and

just interesting things and uh dishing it in and out of of videos that I'm putting together and then creating videos in in themselves, you know. So a lot of work man, other than that I've been Just working at my job and putting my ham and organ together, which is a blast, man. Just playing some loud music. Awesome, man. Awesome. It's what I do, brother. But uh

Uh yeah, man. Thanks for letting me uh babble tonight, man. Oh yeah, cool. You're always welcome on the podcast, man. Um it's always good talking to you, dude. We always fucking dive into like Just different topics of crime and just bullshit. So I mean like I said, you're always welcome, dude. Um

You know, we'll we'll you know, we'll get together pretty soon and we'll talk about different stuff and get that fucking Emmanuel David case going within the next few months pretty soon, hopefully. So Yeah, man. Uh Well yeah, we're gonna put your we're gonna put your link and all that stuff so everyone could, you know, check you out on YouTube and everything else. So Yeah, man. Much love, and thanks for being on the podcast, man.

Yeah, brothers, same at you, man. Uh we'll talk soon. We talk all the time, so We'll uh we'll arrange that uh Emmanuel David thing soon enough, man. But yeah, tons of stuff coming and thanks thanks for your time, guys. Of course, man. Top uh topologies said hi, man. Take care. Take care, man. Will do. Will do. Tell Jacob I said hey, and it was good talking to you and uh Quentin. See you guys. Bye bye.