Our Anime Mt. Rushmore! - Otakus Anonymous Episode #110

Anyway, for context, because I know I started this conversation before chat showed up, someone DM'd me, and they were like, hey, when are you going to kill yourself? And I... I'm always fascinated by stuff like that because like we've been saying, I've never... found myself compelled to even press the dislike button on a video, let alone DM somebody something that mean, especially considering that my videos are at worst annoying, you know? Yeah. You're not like a fucking historic.

bad malfeasance on the planet like I get like political streamers of both sides. I get why people would get heated in their comments. You're talking about genocides or like the lack thereof. Yeah. I'm like, the worst I've ever been is like incorrect about an anime. Yeah, exactly. It's like, I wish they kissed more in like this beat.

yell um but so anyway he was like um when are you gonna kill yourself and then i you know was like hey uh what what part of my content made you this upset and then we went back and forth a bit and he was just kind of like not giving me anything specific um and then i told him basically what i told you i was like

I'm not defending myself. I'm just trying to understand the mindset of, like, DMing someone something so mean. Like, it's so easy to just ignore a thing you don't like rather than go out of your way to be hateful. And they go, um... Uh, I told you to do that because of one simple fact. If you have nothing to contribute to the world, don't, which is exactly what you're doing. Let me ask you, how many people have you actually helped?

You make the same video over and over. Get the same amount of likes because of mindless idiots suckling up to your balls and all your BS. Yet what do you actually do? Not a thing. So take yourself off the board. I've done things I'm not proud of, which is a crazy insert.

Hey, writing your fucking monologue over to me like you're about to blow up a building in Oklahoma City is probably one of the things you should not be proud of. It's like what the Joker is texting on his way out of that hospital before detonating it.

he feels like right now you know that scene where light gets the death book he's like ripping through it that's what this kid feels like right now he goes i've done stuff i'm not proud of and things i'm extremely proud of because they didn't benefit me in some hollow attempt for validation You're just like me, except I ain't lying about what I am. I'm a miserable person, but at least I've made a difference. You make a YouTube short and suddenly you think you're a paragon of what?

happiness, togetherness, don't make me laugh. You're a fraud. And the fact that you act so proper when all you want to do is tell me right back to kill myself is why this is happening. You're a product, buddy. Just not one people need. Crazy. That's a truly insane thing to say to another person. But also I can tell you right now that kid is sitting somewhere windowless with an Avenged Sevenfold shirt on listening to like.

I hate everything. Like just thinking he's cooking up something for you. I just love, this is after me just being like, why would you write something so mean? And he's like, you think you're what? A paragon of happiness. No, no. I think I'm just parenting is what you're doing. Yeah, I think I'm just making a silly video. I also love you being like, yeah, that dude's wearing an Avenged Sevenfold shirt listening to a different band. Yeah.

I mean, it's two divorced dad metal rock bands about being angry at women. Anyway. Hi. Welcome to the podcast. You want to know what's going on in my DMs right now? Oh, yeah. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. We got... You got overly horny one night and posted a picture of us. pregnant. I didn't make that. Oh, somebody in our discord made that for us. And so I decided, Hey, you know, their artwork should be spread amongst the masses. My bad. Um, Bob, uh, okay. Oh, I got a long one. Okay. Um,

Or was that from you putting your water bottle down? Oh, I thought we were doing earthquake right now. Acknowledging the true reason that Sasuke left the village, LOL. It wasn't because Naruto had caught up to him. That only wounded his ego and further proved that he was going. Is the table shaking? Are you shaking? I might be shaking. I don't know. I believe there's an earthquake going on right now. There's not. I'm not entirely sure if we're not experiencing our second odd earthquake.

to be waiting for this light fixture to just crash. You know what? Most of these are just about Sasuke, if we're being real. I was waiting for the end of that, like after a long, like respectful analysis for him to be like, but also kill yourself. Yeah, like stick that in your ass and smoke it, fucker. Yeah, and you're like, all right, you got me.

But yeah, that's what it is being a content creator. It doesn't matter what you talk about. Somebody out there is going to ask you to kill yourself. Yeah, somebody thinks you're trying to be God for some reason. I mean.

I mean, I am. Give me a shot. I think I'd do a better job. First, first, uh, new commandment as God. Yeah. If you had to drop a new commandment, what would it be? Six, three and up dead immediately. Oh, height? Yeah. I thought you were like ages six and up dead. Oh, dead immediately. We're doing War of the Pigs or Bay of the Pigs or Island of Pigs. I don't remember the one. Lord of the Flies? Lord of the Flies. That's what we're doing.

I got it mixed up with Bay of Pigs. Anyways, 6-3 and up, too many resources. Okay. Sorry, you eat too much. Give me one more commandment because I like this train of thought. Um, okay. Give me your top five commandments. That's good. That's not a commandment. If you're like, hey, I command you all to drink salt water. I think we would adapt. We all fish do it.

Just do a little bit every day. Yeah. Do a little bit every day and then your kids will be able to take a shot glass of it every single day. By the time we're 10 years down, 20, a thousand years down the line. That's just a martini. Just a blinding martini. Dead immediately. Anyone with a spray tan? Dead immediately. Anyone with a natural tan also dies pretty quick, though. Oh, true. Very true. True. Um, hmm.

What else? What else are we doing here? I feel like I'm just doing a lot of execution rules, unfortunately. These aren't commandments. Yeah, you're right. It's like attitudes, right? Like, do not do this. Do not do this. you're so die if you do this you're so kill yourself if you make videos uh yeah exactly yeah if you think you're a paragon of happiness death immediately i like to can you imagine if the doctors just came out one day and were like by the way um

A sip of salt water a day. That'll keep us away. I'd do it. Yeah. I'd do a little bit of salt water a day. I'd go surfing sometimes. I feel like I've probably consumed more salt water than most people. I'll be honest. I don't think I'd do a sip of salt water a day. No, you definitely don't. Why would you? No, but I mean, I wouldn't, even if they were like, it's healthy. Why?

Gross. It's not. It's kind of fun. I like salt. I'm not saying scoop it out of the ocean. What do you mean? You're like, that was a blast. I'm not saying, but it's like, it's spicy water, you know? It's not like... Salty water. You don't even like seltzers, though. No, I don't. I don't like the bubbles. They hurt. Fuck, I forgot to pull your smoothie out of the freezer. I still have it. Do you want it? No, I was going to give it to you.

You're the fucking one you sent to my house. Danny hit me up about a week ago because we get treatems here sometimes. And so Danny texted me. He was like, hey, by the way, there's two boba. To Bobai outside of your house. I was like, by the way, there's a milkshake outside of your house. And then Nick responds.

Two. Because I didn't tell you. Because Danny was ordering himself a strawberry Oreo milkshake at 11 p.m. Shout out to Sarah. She got the exact order I would have gotten. I drank hers, but I was like, I'm going to drink this 24 ounce fucking milkshake.

on a Tuesday night at 11 because I'm a fucking adult. Dude, it was stressful too because I still wanted the treat and I had like three minutes before they closed. So then I had to like rush over to the one by me and dash it again. What a nightmare. it's good i'm simply i i don't have i can probably have like

three ounces of a milkshake nowadays before I'm like, I am shitting currently. My body simply does not bang with milkshakes anymore. Um, all right. Final commandment. Cause I still like this. Final commandment. Real one. I want to do a real one. Um, man, it's gotta be something about like, uh, like I don't want to do another death one, but like, don't.

None of them are death ones. If you send me an AI message and it's like an AI photo and you're like, isn't this cool? I'd death immediately. Like, I like, if you fall for AI, I think it should just, that should be like, you know how we like test robots, see if they can feel love. You should have a human, like a test for humans. Like, oh, once you get.

are tricked by AI. That'd be funny if you know the thing where it's like you're entering a website and it's like testing to see if you're a human and it's like, oh, Click the two letters that are the same letter. Yeah. Be funny if they start getting really hard. And it's like, is this something they are getting harder? Is this something Obama actually said? And you're like, oh, that's it.

If I'm being 100% real, the other ones are all fake. All information has to be verified. Literally all information has to be peer reviewed. That's it. I'm down. I fucking, there's so much like, the amount of people that send me just like half baked like things on TikTok and they're like, oh, I heard this on TikTok. I'm like, I'm gonna choke you until your eyes pop out of your head. Because, oh man, being raised like-

In a science, like in a science, well, not in a science household. Being raised in a science lab. Yeah, I was raised in a religious household. But like becoming a scientist. And then like, like, like do it, getting a master's in biochemistry and like everything is peer reviewed. Like it's so hard to get information to become fact. And then like just watching the last like decade information just become like subjective and everyone can be correct. Like with no basis whatsoever.

drives me fucking insane. So that'd be my actual, my actual first amendment of, of the eight, whatever. Yeah. And the bill of don't do these 10 fucking ice. Oh my God. I scratch these into a stone. Yeah. Everybody comes over six feet nowadays. Yeah, that'll make you think about pulling out. Anyways, a lot of anime to talk about. Sure. Yeah. That was a hard transition. Well, I'm trying my hardest here. A lot of anime always, all the time.

I watched The Last of Us also, episodes two and three. About goddamn time. Two and three. Okay. Did you watch it with Sarah? Of course. Did she play the games? Hey everyone, the boys are going to be diving pretty deep into The Last of Us and discussing spoilers for the latest episodes as well as the upcoming episodes. If you haven't watched the most recent episodes or played the second game...

and have any interest at all in watching the show, I highly suggest skipping this section. They will be talking about major plot points. Timestance will be in the description to skip over it. She knew what was going to happen. She knew it was coming. Why? Dude, we were at Universal the other day. Oh, no, I forgot. No, Danny, I suppressed this memory. No. We were at Universal the other day. Nick was invited. For Universal Fan Fest.

Universal FanFest, Nick was invited, I was his plus one, thank you. Of course. And I love being a plus one. I love not having to post a damn thing. The way I hardly fuck. I posted three stories and I was like, that's enough. Just seeing everybody being like, I got to get a picture with this. And I'm like.

I don't, I don't have to be here. They don't know I'm here. I'm not entirely sure I needed to post anything for being real. Yeah. I don't think they check. Um, but we were with Andrew Waffalo of the escape pod podcast, which I love. And we're on the endless escalator. There are like four escalators you need to ride to get from the back lot to the other lot at Universal. Spoiler for season two of The Last of Us and also Last of Us 2, the video game.

Which is a spoiler I wouldn't think I need to make except for this experience. My God, I thought everyone knew. Yeah, we're on the escalator and Nick just whips around and goes, how did Sarah feel when she saw that Joel died? And then Waffle is just like, ow.

What? Like, I literally, I shot like a crit into his heart. He was like, oh, literally like, oh, like a repulse noise left his body. He was like, oh, he was like, I haven't spoiled for anything in that. And I was like, oh, that's the big one.

Like, how? How have you not? Eight years! I know. Like, eight years! I mean, like I said, Sarah knew ahead of time just from TikTok and stuff. Sarah's also a chronic, like, self-spoiler, though. Yeah. She gets stressed out during an episode of a show, and she...

will go on wikipedia and see if things turn out okay yeah um i haven't played the last of us video games and i spoiled the end of season two for myself yeah yeah i'm not gonna do it for everybody else but i got angry i'm watching episode two and i typed in something and i was like

And then I saw that it didn't, it didn't, the season is not going to pan out in the way that I want it to. And that's aggravating. Yeah. Yeah. How, so how'd you feel about upset too? Uh, episode two. I mean, it's great. Like I, like I said, I told you last week where I was like, Oh,

I don't think this is the right actress to be playing Abby. Not big enough. Like, I think like she just simply isn't big enough. She doesn't carry the physical intimidation factor, incredibly talented actress, but just doesn't carry like the physical intimidation level that Abby should have. It should be real.

collection of how much work she's done all this kind of thing um that being said the episode itself i think that might have been the most expensive episode of television maybe ever i'd buy it that was so you know what's crazy none of the battle of jackson

is in the game. Really? So it just didn't need to be the most expensive episode ever. That's crazy. And it's... awesome because i saw like the running like those are all extras in makeup like they had like a they must had 400 500 600 people on set that day yeah fucking crazy dude i love when they unleashed a dog team six on the fucking like I love Tommy.

For some reason, just being the point man in every line of defense. Yeah. Like, he's on the wall. He's commanding orders to get through the wall. He's the first one with a flamethrower. He's the only one left with the flamethrower. Yeah, and then he's the one. letting the dogs out of the cages like tommy's a fucking real one oh maybe maybe they run past him yeah but like the dogs were sick yeah that battle was so fucking cool and i think

This is like my conspiracy theory. I think they added that battle because they were like... People are going to be so mad about the Joel thing. We need them to be like, this episode is hype otherwise. Other than the Joel bit. That's really not in the show at all. It's not in the game at all. Do you hear it happening? No, it doesn't happen. Like, Jackson's not attacked.

holy shit dude i mean they do figure it like they figure they get that shit figured out yeah i think i wonder if it's to add a three month time skip because in the game Ellie just leaves immediately like right like the next week or like the next day even after Joel dies. Yeah. Ellie leaves to go find him. Yeah. And doesn't Tommy leave as well. So that's the thing. Episode three is like.

There are no similarities. Yeah. Like they change so much from the game. Which a lot of people are upset about. Yeah. I think I'm the only one who liked episode three. Okay. Judging from TikTok. Okay. How do you feel? I mean, I haven't played the video game, so I don't know. I have no preconceived notion about what story should be being told right now. But I have seen clips from the video game of Tommy ripping through Seattle with a bolt-action sniper rifle.

like fucking like operation desert storming. Yeah. Motherfuckers. And I want that. I think Tommy's crash out should absolutely be a part of it. I get that he's turning the other cheek and he's trying to be like, oh, he's trying to help Ellie get 16 or so people to go, which was an insanely high number to begin with. Yeah, it's a lot. I was like, oh yeah. I was like, I would also have voted no on the, send four, send five people maybe. Like I'm biased because I know that like.

it's gonna work with two people. Or like, I don't know how it ends. Yeah, I'm playing through The Last of Us right now. Well, how much they're changing it. like with how much they're changing the story who knows objectively and differently yeah but it's like the fact that like my video game brain is like well the mission like you could do this mission with two people yeah because i know that they do it because i'm one of them and i'm a fucking problem yeah so

It's like, so I'm like, yeah, 16. Like you're asking a lot. Like Ellie should have been like, but I'm willing to negotiate the number of people. Knock it down to do a four, a slot of four. Give me Tommy and the, unfortunately the guy who took friendly fire.

yeah yeah how about seth making a fucking come around here dude from homophobic to angry to father figure maybe seth's so funny to me i like i wanted a scene where he like is just out there like with a pile of sandwiches and he just is unloading slur after slur and each one he hands a sandwich.

Like he pays for him. He makes fucking great steak sandwiches. He can call me whatever he wants if we're being real. Yeah, I'd love if Ellie, like, when they leave, like, Dina's like, hey, it was real big of you to accept Seth's apology. And she's like, Oh, I never cared. I egg him on because I like those sandwiches. I just fucking love his sandwiches. I brought you in front of him to kiss. Yeah. That was...

So then there's an episode three where he once again comes out and he's like, here, take my gun. It's better kind of thing. And he's like, I caught some friendly fire. Ellie just, listen, I do better episode for her in general. But like, I just, I don't. I don't love her.

currently i'm gonna like i'm obviously coming i think we're not really supposed to like she's not supposed to be your favorite character right now it's supposed to be like a a grow like you like she grows on you kind of thing but like seth is just like out of busting his ass like he's apologized he's making her sandwiches he's like

He's the one supplying their entire trip to Seattle. And like, like he has to stick his hand out to shake. Like, just say, thank you. Just say, thank you. I guess he called her a word. I mean, well, also Ellie, here's the thing. I feel like a lot of people. aren't allowing Ellie they're not allowing that she's 19 that she's gone through just wave after wave of trauma and they didn't allow her that in the first game either or season because like we talked about it with Joel

Like everyone is like, Hey Ellie, get over it with Joel. Joel's the sweetheart. He's the nicest guy, this and that. And it's like, we know that because we watched it and we were like in his shoes. Ellie. was unconscious. First, Ellie was like brought to this commune where she thought like she was going to join this new big family with David and like, you know, everyone respects each other. Everyone loves each other. And then she finds out they're eating people. And then David.

tries to essay her. Yeah. And then immediately after Joel brings her to this hospital. She goes unconscious. When she wakes up, Joel's being real weird about what happened. And she can tell he's lying to her. So, like, all of her experiences with adult, like, guardian figures have been weird and dangerous and unsafe. We know Joel, like...

only wants the best for her. But like, she doesn't. Like, she's a kid and went through a bunch of crazy shit. Counterpoint. Okay. I'm hearing you. I hate kids. Fair. And I'm not saying get on your hands and knees and like prostrate. Just a thank you.

Just a simple thing. Just one thank you. Hey, Joel, thanks for fixing my guitar. I'm not saying go spend the rest of your life with him. He's like, oh, well, that was sweet of you. Hey, man, thanks for the gear. Yeah, but were you nice to your parent figures as a kid? By the time I turned 17, yes, I realized I was being, I was like, why am I being a dick to my mom?

I literally like woke up one day and I was like, why am I being mean to my mother? And then I just stopped. Like, I think literally my frontal lobe stopped, like stopped growing. Just got over it. Like 17 and a half. And I was like, there's no reason for me to be a dick to my mother. Yeah. I don't know. I think like, I think the writing is like very realistic and like every character beat that's happened in the show makes sense to me. And I just feel like- Because you're angsty.

And angry. Well, cause I'm angsty and angry and I hate everyone who speaks to me. Yeah. But like, I just think like a lot of people are having like, like viewer brain where they're like, like Joel's, uh, Joel's the best. He's a sympathetic angel. Like why doesn't she get that? It's because she fucking didn't watch with a God's eye, everything that happened like we did. And so similar with like,

Seth, we're like, we see a guy trying to make up for his mistakes. And I'm also sympathetic to like people being sorry about things. But I also get that Ellie's like, like. I don't give a shit. Like, who cares? Like, being, like, giving him the apology or, like, the acceptance he wants doesn't benefit me. It just makes him feel better. So who cares? Like, I get her angst. It's just such a, like, I don't know. Like, that's like, that's such a nihilistic way to approach it. Like, oh, only-

Like me, like acknowledging the good that this guy's trying to do in admittance of his own faults only benefits him. And then like, if you take that approach to like, oh. doing this only benefits that person, then you're not going to do anything. Yeah. Like fucking anything that you're not, if I'm not shitting, sleeping or eating, like fucking everything else benefits some person in some other regard. Well, like I said too, though, like other than Tommy.

Ellie has only had fucked experiences with like adult male figures because she considers what happened with Joel at the end of the first season, like a fucked experience. Listen. Well, I'm just saying. I'm not saying I'll just.

Thank you. That's it. Just one thank you. Just, I'm not saying, oh, wow, you're the best. You're forgiven. Just say thanks. Like, I'll learn. Cause like, here's the thing. Like, oh, we're learning the lesson of like, oh, you didn't say thank you to Joel. Like when he was trying to be sweet to you at the end of his life. And I was like, cool.

You would think somebody who just lost this figure in their life who was trying to be sweet to them and trying to mend a bridge. Oh, I missed out on that opportunity. That's why I say I love you to my mother every time I hang out the phone. You never know. Never on a bad note. Yeah, but has your mom ever called you a slur? 100%.

What are you talking about? 100%. What do you want from me? I'm not trying to air out Mama Connor's dirty laundry, but yeah, 100%. That's tough. Yeah, we've been in heated fights before. What's it called? But otherwise, I like the episode a lot. No one else seemed to. Because people are like, oh, Tommy went before Ellie. Well, there's that. People don't like Dina because in the game, she's like...

A lot more. Confident and open. About like. I guess her sexuality. Like Adina is like an out and open bisexual. And I thought she was in this. But apparently. Her being like. I'm not gay, you are. I thought that was Dina being like, I'm bi, you're gay. But I guess Dina is like a closeted bisexual right now, which I didn't pick up on. How did you not pick up on that? I thought she was, it's because I knew from the game that she's bi. Like I thought Dina was already like.

confirmed and knew she was Ellie. And then they were like, Oh, you were so high when you kissed me. And then she was like, I wasn't that high. And I was like, cool. She likes Ellie. I know it was me like being programmed from like already knowing what happened. But, um, so people don't like that. And people like,

their relationship in the game is, like, instant. Like, they are, like, fucking in the first hour, Dina and Ellie. Like, like, actually fucking? Like, yeah. Like, you, like, see them fucking? I think, I remember they're not wearing pants. Wild. They're like in a, they're in that weed thing. Remember like in episode two? Oh, oh, the fucking gas station place. Yeah, so that's another change. In the game, Dina and Ellie end up in that weed place. Instead of...

Ellie and Jesse. Jesse. Yeah. And in it, they have what I believe to be an outrageously cringy scene, but people like it, but they're just like flirting and then they end up smoking and then they end up like making out. I don't think they like full. have sex but they like their clothes are off gotcha um But they just made Dina like more like insecure in her sexuality. Yeah, yeah, in the show. And it's to make it like a romance that like progresses and evolves.

And people don't like that, apparently. Very interesting. They just want to fucking, I guess, see it happen. I don't know. I guess they're like... apparently it's a trope of like bisexual characters and it's like oh they have to like discover they're bi from straight you know like they have to go on this spectrum rather than just like have a character it's like oh yeah i'm bisexual and there's no like Asterisks about it.

wouldn't most people have to find out that they were like a different sex? Like, it's like everybody's raised with the assumption that they're straight. They're programmed by society to believe that they're straight. And then there was a, like, there's absolutely some people who figure it out earlier than others that they are not. They're bisexual, pansexual, trans.

anything like that but like that is still there's still a journey of some sort to any part of that I think I think the bit is that they're like we're sick of seeing the journey. They're like, just have a character that's bisexual and like finished being bisexual. Like we don't want to see the egg cook. The egg is already, the egg is ready to be served. It's like similar with like a lot of minority groups are like, I'm sick of seeing like.

a story about slaves. Yeah, like a slave story. Just like be superheroes or something. Yeah, just have them be like black and happy, you know? Yeah, like living in the suburbs or something like that. We don't need another 12 years of slave. Yeah, but... Interesting. I'm more upset with the Tommy bit. If I'm being real. Yeah, I'm not like I'm playing the game like alongside the show. So I'll watch an episode and I'll get ahead in the game and I'll watch one. Fuck, that's a...

That's a video idea right there, Dan. It's been fun as hell. That's a video idea. That's what I did with Soul Leveling. Just talk about like the differences between the video game and the episode on like a per episode basis. Oh, really? Oh my God, it'll fucking bang. Well, it's been sick with this because like I said, episode three is like...

honestly brutal you should do it honestly you should maybe honestly that'd be brutal yeah um maybe i mean like yeah maybe but uh episode three has so many goddamn changes that i'm like I feel like I'm playing a game from a different franchise, which I get upsets people, but I think the show is doing it way better. You think so? Way better. So if Tommy doesn't end up in Seattle, you wouldn't be pissed about that?

I like Tommy in the show. I haven't gotten to him in Seattle yet. Like in the game, they're not looking for Joel's killers right now. They're looking for Tommy. Oh, cause Tommy dips like immediately. Yeah. Tommy like. They end up in Seattle because they're looking for Tommy, right? Well, Ellie's like, Tommy, let me go hunt Joel. And Tommy's like, no, we can't do that. This and that. And he's like, here, give me a day. I'll ask my wife.

And like, like they do in the show, I'll ask my wife and then we'll let you know. And she's like, all right, next day, his wife shows up to Ellie and she has a note from Tommy saying, don't let Ellie leave. I've gone off to find Joel's killers. Gotcha. And so then the wife is like, go fucking bring back my husband. Yeah. And so that's a big change.

Another big change. I get that like we're trying to empower the main character of the story, which is Ellie to like be the one who's like the guiding hand of revenge here. But I feel as though Tommy has an equal share and responsibility of like, that's his brother. Yeah. Like, that's like, he's done her way, like, he knew Joel way longer than Ellie ever did. I like, I like, don't mind.

Again, I think a lot of people have like video game brain where they're like, not that this is a bad thing or a bad opinion, but where a lot of people are like, yeah, like Tommy should go fucking get revenge. I find it like. fine and realistic that tommy's like hey joel would joel would go after me if i was alive he wouldn't go after me for revenge also i'm a father with a child with a family and i'm running this city yeah

I can't be going on revenge missions. Like this isn't a movie. No, a hundred percent. I don't know. I am not going to ship up, like schlep up to Seattle, hundreds of miles by myself and go take on like a one, like a literal army. So like I buy it from him and I like, they gave him. a lot more screen time that made it feel more like like I liked him looking over Joel's corpse that's not in the game

anything with the therapist isn't in the game. And I like her. People don't seem to like, I don't know where, like, first off, I'm not understanding how anybody's paying her, but second off, like booze and weed, dude, that's my thing. They're like, Oh, we don't have the resources to send 16 people to fucking.

We have the resources to send 16 people to Seattle. Meanwhile, Gail's getting stoned and drunken in the left field of a fucking Little League game. And what if the resources send people to Seattle? What? I love how Gail's like shortstop in that Little League game. She's just sitting like...

like 10 feet out of the infield getting fucking a ham skeet on, on, I forget what they call the, the, when you make fuck way learn shine. No, they're beers, but like when they come in a big bottle, it looks like a Modelo. Yeah. It's just like uncorking beers. It's having a great time. Like, We have resources. There was a line where she was like, I used to have seasons tickets to like this fucking team. I thought she said, I have seasons tickets.

to like the little league team. And I was like, you guys are charging for these games. Apparently they're charging for everything. Yeah, I guess so. But anyway.

I'm loving it a lot. I really enjoyed it. It's probably one of the things I look forward to every week. Yeah. Most. I would say I kept it until the last thing I watched this week because I was like, I'm going to, like, I probably will enjoy The Last of Us more than anything. And I do. I like Dina's character. I like Ellie's. I'm liking Ellie. character more um i think she's on like what is like

I'm not saying that I dislike Ellie as a character. I'm saying I dislike her right now. Yeah. And I think that you're supposed to, I think like this is the entire season is supposed to be a like, Oh, Ellie revenge tour kind of thing. Like goes from ungrateful to appreciating Joel's life in episode three and then going to avenging him. way um so i'm not saying ellie's a bad character if anything my ability to dislike her in this moment is a characterization the fact that she's written well um

So I look forward to The Last of Us every single week. When this episode finished, I was like, fuck, I want another episode. Yeah. Because I want to see Ellie and Dina just fucking piecing people up. Yeah, I think next episode is going to be crazy. Yeah.

Speaking of episodes that we thought were going to be crazy, you want to talk about Fire Force? That was wild of you. That's called the segue right there, baby. Dude, I... When's it going to happen? Yeah, oh boy. When's fire force. Oh boy. Um, yeah. Uh, okay. Here's my thing. Episode four is we're talking about episode four of fire force. I want to establish right now. Um, that I have the capacity. to not only judge the shows that I like, but also show forgiveness to the shows that I don't.

Because this week, I do genuinely believe one of the best episodes we got was from Lazarus. And I have been very down and out on Lazarus. I call it the worst episode of the week the last three weeks. This Lazarus episode was probably second best episode of the week. I very much enjoyed it. So I want to establish that I am not biased. I have the ability to talk about things I like from shows I dislike and things that I don't like from shows that I do like. I love Fire Force.

fuck me are we not heading in the right direction um wow not a good episode not like fine just objectively fine but like the they're using more cg than they used to I didn't even notice. What was CG? The sputtering flare, the shield. Uh, well metal, like, yeah. Uh, like vehicles and metal stuff is typically CG, but yeah, it's just, and then like, man, I listen.

There's so much standing in this fight. There's so much standing. Yeah. It's so much. The moment when they decide to melt iron on Tamaki's ass furnace. Yeah. And then. That. Yeah, that was. Oh. Oh no, all my notes, please come back. Okay, I got them back. Go on. Jesus Christ. Anyways, so when they were just cooking up Tomaki's ass metal, which, you know. Yeah, I forgot about that. That was fun. It turned into an episode of Food Wars because I kept being like...

We can't get it hot enough. Don't worry. If you do this, it'll get it hot enough. We just need this ingredient. We have this ball of thermite and 20 cans of condensed oxygen. We pulled out the cans of oxygen. I was like... What? I'm like learning to do this. Like what? Yeah, I'm learning how to fucking make my at-home thermos or my at-home fucking furnace here. And so anyways, there's like four people trying to cook up.

metal on Tamaki's ass and the redheaded girl whose name I'm currently spacing. I used to know. It's a J. Jill? Yeah, it's something like... American ass name. I think it's Jill adjacent. Yeah. So she's just up there looking like Ursula, just batting away Golds or whatever her name is. All of her like bullets and all that. Cut.

That was my one positive note. I said, we got a cha-ching. We got a cha-ching. And then, so yeah, it's just like 20 minutes of kind of stand fighting. Everybody takes their pants off. It's a funny episode. It is a funny episode. You know what? I was.

wrong that was my other positive note i wrote nude calendar bit is one of the funniest jokes i've seen in an anime you live in the nether so you didn't know this it sells really well dude i loved when they took them all when they took off their pants i was like oh that's a funny image and then She's just like, yeah, he's like, yeah, we do a nude calendar week every month. We're not ashamed. And then she's like,

Does that do well? And he's like, it pays extremely well. We sell out, motherfucker. Yeah, I just love, I love her being like kind of interested. Yeah, they're just like, but new Hinawa has been like, like fucking overzealous, angry Captain Hinawa. has been the best part of season four everything else has been like kind of severely lacking unfortunately yeah so they heat up the furnace so basically they realize because leaked is using his analytical goggles that um all of

I believe her name is Gold's ability is tied to her gold, her gold fucking gauntlet. She heats up a gold gauntlet because when- Which makes it magnetic. When gold is heated, yeah, bloof. it turns magnetic. Which is the worst thermodynamic power one could ever. Oh, cool. Not only do I need some of the rarest element on earth, I also only have power when I superheat it. Yeah. Stupid.

Also, so they heat up a bunch of like steel or iron or whatever. Heat up a bunch of iron in Tamaki's ass. Yeah. And then. For those of you who haven't seen it, Tamaki, who has two. flame tails does a tornado with her flame tails mind you at this point she's lost her pants so it's kind of just straight um you know in backroom casting couch where he always makes the girl bend over and then pull her underwear down slowly yeah you know what i'm talking about

No, what? It's kind of just that shot. What, you're not a big backroom casting couch guy? I don't know what that is. That's all I fucking watch from like ages. Sounds illegal. I want to say 15 to 19. That was my bag. BRCC. Yeah. So it's basically just that shot where Tamaki's legs are out at like a 90 degree angle. And then it's just like up between into her taint area while she spins her flames around. Like she's miles tails per hour. Yes.

Nice. Thanks. I see what you did there. And everybody else is throwing iron into her newly made iron ass furnace. And then they're heating it up with condensed oxygen. Yeah, well, and then my beef with it is then she's able to... What happened? Got a hair? My beef with it is that then she's able to like... form it into like a flaming ball of like molten iron. Yeah. And then she throws it at the villain, but not like directly at her head. No.

Cause then I was like, they throw it at the gauntlet to like, uh, neutralize it. And I'm like, Oh, okay. That makes sense. Like they're going to take her down peacefully and they just shoot her in the skull. They just shoot her in the fucking, they're like, Hey, she's got the perfect marker from a bullet in her forehead. Yeah.

You know what? Just fucking execute her. She shoots her in the face. I was like, hey, if you're going to go through all this trouble, just cover her in molten iron. High heat resistance. She's a third generation. I guess so. Low bullet resistance. Low, low, low, low bullet resistance. Well, and then, oh my God, speaking of this being a stand fight. Yeah. Cause then they kill her. And then another guy's like, well, I'm up. And I literally was like.

Oh, don't be up. I was like, I don't need more from this crew. It's like a Pokemon fight. Yeah. Like, and then thankfully Arthur like deals with it real fast. Yeah, and then it's just a bunch of standing on the roof, too. It's crazy that they were like, uh-oh, Lieutenant Burns or Captain Burns or whatever. has this ability and he's doing this. Let's do nothing about that. Yeah. Because then they just put the bug in whatever his name is. Obi. Captain Obi. Obi. Yeah. They're not.

like adapting around the manga, like they're adapting. the manga on almost what seems to be a panel by panel basis. They're not filling in the gaps. Like there's no, like it's just all of the story beats of the manga. And because of that, it's just like a lot of standing and dialogue because that's what manga is. We talked about it and got flamed about it on TikTok where we were talking about anime that elevates the manga versus anime that I feel like.

worsens uh or is like a lesser adaptation than the manga yeah and fire force was our like premier example of like elevating yeah yeah of an anime that absolutely elevates the manga This just feels like it's doing the manga. Exactly. This feels like MHA. Like it feels like, oh, I'm getting a beat for beat of everything that happens in the manga here. And that's not what the show has been about for a long time. It's added a lot of like supplementary scenes. The sound design is.

always like masterful like there's like really i mean there's still very good voice acting um but yeah man i am not loving it and like the problem is and the problem it's not like oh I've grown out of Fire Force I just rewatched Fire Force I loved it yeah it's awesome yeah it's so good here's what I'm hoping

Because we're like, all right, the fights have started. So ideally the animation should kick in. That was the least important fight of the upcoming fight. That's what I'm hoping. Because really, if you think about it, if you gave this like JJK's budget. They're still just standing. Yeah. Like it's still just a long range wait and stand fight. Yeah. Which is like, it's just a poorly written fight. Yeah. Because it's a ton.

Of her just letting them do a bunch of shit. And it's a ton of analyzing her gauntlet while she's just like, I just can't get around Ursula here. Like when they're cooking this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I guess she's trying to get past Ursula. So yeah.

But still, it's lazy. It's lazy, and it's like, I'm not seeing them fight. There's no interesting, like, she's just like, oh, I've analyzed your magnetic tentacles. It's like, oh, cool, convenient that fucking whatever her name is, Jill Joy, I forget her name, is like, has. a magnetic ability as well because otherwise how would we stop her and it's like cool i guess that works for this but like so yeah i am hoping that like the next fights will still kind of kick into gear yeah

Anyway. Speaking of things that we're changing our tune on, though. You want to talk about Lazarus? Speaking of things you're changing your tune on. Oh. What made this the best episode of the week? The second best episode of the week. I really enjoyed this episode. It's fun. My biggest complaint from Lazarus this entire time is that the first three episodes are almost entire.

devoid of emotion um and it's like it's just like it's guys go it's dudes and ladies going places uh doing things and there is no opportunity for any of these characters to shine in any meaningful capacity that isn't parkour related like i Until this episode didn't under, I got no personality beats from any of the four characters. But this character I felt like was like, this episode was very full with personality. Like you have.

The classic, the young kid has to be a girl. Yeah, that's a trope I haven't seen in a long time. That's an assassin's classic callback right there, dude. Like, that's a pretty boy. Now he's a girl. And now, mind you, the bad guy, he's trying to get in with that girl. I really liked when he was like, they're like, hey, why aren't you shaking it bad style? And he was like, I need someone to dance with me if I'm going to get comfortable. I like that his response was like,

I'm not going to dance alone. Someone dance with me. And then I really liked the dude. being an awful dancer. That was fun. I'm getting all the attention. That's personality. They're like, that's personality. Like, and then it's like, Oh, the, the girl and the main character whose name I don't know. I don't know anybody's name. That's like, that's a symptom of like, Oh, this show may not be like, it's not that compelling from a character standpoint. I don't know anybody's name.

But them all being in that club, I felt like gave them this opportunity to shine as like personalities, which is only heightened by like the helicopter chase and all of them coming together to work together in said helicopter chase. And so I thought it was like also.

I think it was the prettiest episode, personally. I think that when the blonde kid gets dressed as a girl, does he not look like Howell and Sophie had a kid? Yeah, he does. Like almost to a T, looks like Howell and Sophie had a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I just, I don't know. I thought it was like a fun, my, I will say though, even regardless of this being the best episode, the sound design on the show was a fucking nightmare. Like to this day, it's like almost distractingly bad how bad the sound design is when they're in the club.

And this is so ironic that the director of John Wick is working on this show. Think about some of the most iconic scenes in John Wick. All nightclub massacres. All nightclub fucking massacres. But what's the one like through line of them being in a nightclub?

Good music? Well, it's like music, but it's overwhelmingly loud right yeah it's like oh like it's like you think there's like four of them there's the one in four where he's in the one in japan yeah uh there's the one in the i think the second one where he's in like the coliseum yeah he's in like creek coliseum yeah in athens yeah

Yeah, he's like in a Coliseum club. There's the first one where he's like going through the Russian bathhouse. The through line to all of those is that they're in a club. It's loud. You can barely hear the gunshots kind of thing. For some reason, they're in this nightclub. So I'm like, it's in an action. It's so hot. in the sky it's in its own extrajudicial space and for some reason the music is like

And you can hear, everybody can hear each other. Every, like the gunshots are like clearing people out. And I was just like, it's such a weird choice. Sound is like a drown, like heightened the action by drowning it out with the music of the nightclub. Yeah, that's fair. I just, oh. they have so many talented people working on it from a music and like sound design perspective. I don't understand how they're fumbling the sound design so badly. Yeah. I mean,

To be fair, though, the John Wick guy is just doing the fights. He's just doing the fights. He's doing choreography. I'm not saying that. That's why I'm like, it's ironic he's working for his fault. So yeah, no, I don't know. It was fun though. I had a lot of fun with the episode. They even busted, I said it looks like Studio Ghibli. They even busted out Nausicaa's glider.

Yeah, they did. Yeah, that was crazy. Like he's just like ripping around on Nausicaa's glider, ending the entire Ghibli scene. And I also wrote the least realistic thing about this club is how fast the drinks are served and the fact that the bartender can hear you.

Yeah. The fucking, she walks up, she's like another drink. It's just, it's just her. It's just there. Yeah. That's, that's a good note. They even show her like waiting behind four stacks of people to go get their $14 vodka seltzer. Yeah. What didn't you like about this episode? No, I mean, I liked it enough. It just was like, there are character beats.

The characters still just aren't on a level where I'm like, oh, can't wait to see what this dude's doing. I'm not saying I give a shit about them. I'm saying it's the first time. This should have been episode two. Because nothing leading up to this has meant anything. Like, and like, that was like the cool thing about this episode is that something that happened had consequences. Yeah. They went to fucking Turkey and they ate baklava and they were like, well.

And then they just left. And they're like, that's a rare flower. Didn't do anything with that. Remember when they're leaving the fucking baklava, the grandma's house? They're like, where'd you get that flower? And it's like, oh, Skinner or whatever his name is, sent it to me. And then they were like, oh, wow, it's from a rare area.

Yeah. Next time, next episode, they're like, oh, by the way, we hacked a digital wallet. Fuck are we doing? Well, they called it a, yeah, I wrote, this opening is incredible. The opening scene was. awesome it was a weird artsy thing talking about how like why the youth has gotten into the drug and how it's like uh

Like, essentially an antidepressant. Yeah. And it's just really well done. It's really cool. I wrote, someone goes, what's a hidden wallet? And then I wrote, it means he shoved it up his ass. Nice, got him. Thanks. um dude meowing at the cat is the most relatable anime character in history oh the fucking patrolman outside yeah there's a dude just a like uh security guard standing outside and a cat

like falls off a roof and jumps on his head. And then when jumps off him, he's like, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow. That's good. Just got to tell him you're upset with him in his language. Um, At one point, so they're infiltrating this nightclub and this DJ is there. I forget what his name was. I knew it like a second ago. Like viscous. Visionary.

Visionary. Yeah. And someone goes to Axel, the main character. They're like, you've never heard of this DJ and wanted him to whip around and be like, I'm serving 88 life sentences.

the only people i care about are people who build prisons yeah but uh no i mean i was just the same amount of like sedated as i was the last four weeks of this show which is to say pretty bored i think i very purposely watched this show pretty early on and like i sat down for i think what ended up being close to four and a half hours yesterday and watched all of the episodes because we're watching everything under the fucking sun i still can't manage to watch a yaiba

Uh, I never have time. I simply will never get around to yaiba. I apologize to all the big yaiba heads out there. Um, but yeah, no, I just like, I was like, oh, this should have been episode two because I liked that it ended with them being like,

Oh, well, we didn't find anything about like the guy, but we did find that this like pharmaceutical company had knowledge that this was going to happen. So now we have to investigate the pharmaceutical company. Like I like that, like an action had a consequence in this episode on top of there being like personality. Right.

That was what, because like, and that seems like the lowest bar of all time. Yeah, it felt like movement finally. Yeah, that felt like the lowest bar of all time, but that's because like all the other episodes objectively haven't accomplished that. Yeah. Cool. All right, Devil May Cry.

Uh, sure. We get to see young, this episode four. Episode four of Don't May Cry. Of everything. Uh-huh. We get to see young Dante and young Verge. Okay. Is that big for you? That was just fun. Another game, another anime or show where I haven't played the video games. Oh, I just mean, like, not that it's crazy. It was just what happened in the episode. Like I liked their little backstory. I liked that the entire episode was basically just Judge Dredd, the live action movie.

Like it was just like, hey, by the way, you're locked in a fucking high rise with demons. Yeah. Really cool episode. I, I guess they're trying to like get the trigger. Like he's the trigger for the fucking, like he's the decoder or something. I really liked in this episode the dialogue about the fact that Sparta was a selfish hero.

Yeah. I like the fact that there's like demons trapped in the demon world. Like I actually kind of like found myself sympathizing with the bunny guy. Cause he was like, Sparta might've closed the door. but he closed the door. Like he identified that there was a type of bloodthirsty tyrant. And then he closed the door and put himself on the other side and he locked us in with him. Yeah. That's fucking cool. That is really cool. I've really liked.

all the lore and plot stuff. I really like the story of this show. Yeah. And I... alluded to in past weeks that like a lot of discourse I've seen on TikTok is people don't like that this show makes the demons sympathetic and we'll get into it more as the show progresses because I don't want to get to like...

potentially spoilery, but like, I mean, this is a big episode about the demons being sympathetic. Yeah. Well, it's like, they don't like that. It like, apparently it like evolves into just like a blatant, like America versus immigrants story. Gotcha. With like a Dick Cheney being one of the characters and like, and talking about like how God is like, like guiding Dante's hand. Yeah, exactly. And so like, I, you know, we're only on episode four, so we don't know like fully about that.

But it's also like, this is, the discourse around The Last of Us and Devil May Cry has both been so weird. Because on one hand, when The Last of Us 2 came out. 95% of people hated it. Yeah. And then now when the show is out and changing stuff, you have all these people frustratingly coming out and being like, why are they changing shit? Why are they changing the thing I hated? Yeah. So that's annoying. And then Devil May Cry has been weird because the games.

are so just about the action. And obviously, I mean, I'm assuming there's a story. There's a plot, but it's like, what's like an equivalent? Like, I don't know. It's like. I don't want to say it's not a game you'd play for the story because anyone who likes anything is going to be like, oh, like the story is great because I love it. And this and that, like there are people who love the story. I would say your average outsider.

it's like a skipping the cut scenes kind of game. You know what I mean? You're just like here to like hit nasty triple S combos or something. Yeah. You're like really, like they introduced some like one dimensional bad guy. Dante is like, clearing through bosses, getting sick, unconventional weapons, and then you kill the bad guy. And then there is like, you know, there's stuff about his past and there's stuff about this and that, but it's all like... Metal Gear Solid.

It's no. I've never, every Metal Gear game I've ever played, I'll just skip right through the story. Metal Gear Solid has like 40 hours worth of cut scenes and that's like the primary driving force. And I skip right the fuck through them.

It's just like a popcorn. It's like Diablo. Yeah. You know, like it's a popcorn kind of game where like there's a story, but you're not there for it. You're here to run through dungeons. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. It's like... Probably doesn't help that I've only ever played Metal Gear Solid 5.

I was going to say, that one's got the least story, but the worst one also. Yeah. Did you ever play the For Honor campaign? Oh, yeah. You know, it's like that. It's Mortal Kombat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is. It's like, oh, you're like, okay, cool. Oh, okay, I'm fighting. I'm fighting fucking Katana now. Nice.

Yeah. I wonder what happened. Was I walking through a fucking battleground and she happened to appear in front of me? Yeah, was I walking and then Katana showed up? Probably. Yeah, awesome. Cool, I'll fight her now. And then she won't die and I'll probably see her three hours from now, gameplay-wise. But so since it's a show... They have to like make the story matter.

And so I can't tell if it's just people. Cause I've seen comments be like, why are they going so try hard on the story? Like it's a show. You simply, you're not playing. Yeah. Like if you're watching something, it needs to be interesting. Yeah. But at the same time, like. I've also been on the receiving end of being like, hey, stop changing the thing I liked. Like I watched the Borderlands movie and it's just a fucking mess. But to me, that's different. Okay. Because to me, that's like soulless.

Yeah. Like that was like, and to a degree, the Minecraft movie was also like, we're like, we're not like staunch defenders of the Minecraft movie. It's like. Are like, Hey, we enjoyed it. Like it was a fun hour and a half watch. Like I'm not like, I'm not like, I didn't leave the movie theater being like, wow, I need that hour and a half back. I was like, I giggled. I had a fun time. Um, I.

Think the Minecraft movie and the Borderlands movie and like the Assassin's Creed movies, Dragon Ball Evolution. Those are soulless cash-ins. Those are like kind of like what Marvel is doing over the last decade or so where they're like, look, it's that name you love. Look, it's that thing you love. Look, they made the joke about the-

But again, like those are soulless cash-ins off like existing IP. When you change the story to try and tell a more compelling story. Yeah. Because you can tell you're watching the Borderland movies. Like, oh, we didn't even try to make this compelling or interesting. Yeah. The second that you cast. Jack black and Kevin Hart in the same movie. You're like, you've absolutely signed off on the idea of writing a compelling story. Right. So it's like they, the, the, to me,

Devil May Cry, even The Last of Us. Like, The Last of Us, I'm very vocal about. I want Tommy to be in Seattle kind of thing. But, like, I can tell that the reason they're changing things is because they're trying to make the story as compelling and believable as possible. Yeah. So. Agreed.

But, um... anyway but you liked it you liked the sparta backstory and you like yeah i thought it was sick i also like it i like the idea of like hey um it might from a human perspective it might have seemed cool to shut us off from hell and i also like and this is something we've talked about with invincible at nauseam

I like when there's two sides of an argument for a show. Yeah. I like that. Like, Hey, but if he hadn't closed it, you guys were going to invade the human realm and probably destroy humanity. And it's like, cool. Like some people got trapped behind the gate that probably shouldn't have been there in hell.

But like the only reason that needed to be closed in the first place, because you couldn't coexist with humans. Yeah. Isn't this. What are you saying? It's a thinly veiled out like allegory for immigration. It's isn't it? What was it called? I thought there was a name for it when Britain came and they're like, all right, all right, here's what the countries look like now in India.

Are you talking about like the Silk Road? Is that the East Indian Trading Company? With the Sikhs? The Sikhs? You know the Sikhs? I mean, I understand what the Sikhs are, yes. Where Britain... There was like a war going on. I saw a movie about it and I studied that movie. This is like one of those 1800s ass wars. I know. No, it's like 19. Help.

Help, India? You mean where Britain fucked shit up? Yeah, but specifically the one where I was thinking. I mean, Britain definitely fucked India up. Well, that's what happened. Like... Everyone just saying colonialization, colonialization, the genocide, question mark. There was an instance, no one like.

take a history test after listening to me. Can I give you something better here? Uh, no. Uh, there was an instance where Britain was like, there was war going on and Britain came in and like helped, but then they were like, Alright, here's what we're gonna do. We're just gonna redraw the lines of all of the borders. And then some people ended up on the wrong sides of those borders. Uh-huh.

And then that resulted in a lot of religious warring. Can I give you just like a substantially more prevalent? Okay. It's just, it's just what the entire UN did to Israel. Like when we made Israel exist. In like the 40s after World War II.

And we're like, oh, hey, Palestine. And like Palestinian people, I understand that you've existed there for like hundreds, if not thousands of years. But everyone got real angry at the Jews there for a couple of decades, and we need to have a place for them to settle down. So we're like, cool that you've been there, but we're actually going to-

Right. We're going to take what you identify as a holy city in Jerusalem and we're going to give it to the Jews because they also believe it's a holy city. Everyone believes Jerusalem is a holy city. And so the Palestinians were like, oh, that's not great because they don't like us all that much and they're really mean to us. And then we funded the fuck out.

to israel uh and so we just separated we just drew a new line in an existing thing called the gaza strip uh so that's if if you do want to take an actual history lesson based on actual true realistic fact and not i mean like i understand what danny was trying to say almost definitely happened but he doesn't know what he's talking about. Partition, apparently. Partition.

That works. Why not? The thing in limousines. That thing. There's also like, you know, apartheid would be a good, another example or like the Rwandan genocide would be another good example. I know, but I don't know enough about those. Yeah, you should watch Hotel Rwanda. Real light watch.

Unlike the thing I described, which I clearly know a lot about. Which you are a fountain of knowledge on. Anyway. But it is definitely a thinly veiled talk about like, oh, immigration. Yeah. And it's like, oh, well, there's the argument to be made that like, oh, we need to keep our country safe by like not allowing.

people to emigrate, because what if bad people emigrate? And then it's like, oh, well, like, by closing our doors forever we're locking the other people inside the people they don't want to be with yeah um so i think it's a really cool like and unfortunately as we've said so often with like anime and comics like touching on these like topics it's not a one-to-one comparison yeah because like You can't be like...

oh, well, fucking, well, if it worked for them in Devil May Cry, then keep the door closed. Like, keep our country closed off. And it's like, well, other countries aren't hell. They're not hell filled with demons that can, like, flatten buildings. So it's like, it's not a one-to-one comparison fucking at all, actually. Yeah.

I just love the idea of like, yeah, it's like, well, it worked in Devil May Cry, so I think it's going to work. Well, Mexico's not hell full of demons. Yeah, Mexico doesn't have fucking nine-foot demons with energy swords, all right? They might have coke. They might have fenced and all, but it's not nine-foot demons. Yeah, it might.

My advisor, Dante, Dante McStabs. He advised me. My advisor, Dick Cheney, but the ripped buff kind. He's actually, I got him from Devil May Cry. Super cool. And when things get bad, I'll call on Travis Scott and he'll come. That's world champion to you. World champion Travis Scott. Anyway. Good. Good. So, yes. Devil May Cry. Also, they said to Millennia.

They're like, oh, Sparta closed the gate two millennia ago. And then Dante was like, you think my dad's 200,000 years old? And then I was expecting somebody to be like, Dante, dumb, dumb, that's 4,000 years. And then nobody did it. So I was like, I.

They don't know what a millennia is. I was like, either they don't know what a millennia is, the joke is that nobody knows what a millennia is, or... The joke is that you do know what one is. The joke is that I do, or that, like, they fucking are gonna try and, like... change how long a millennia is. We're doing a Gulf of America thing here. God, this is a liberal show. I know. Trying to change what a millennia is. Trying to change how long I think a millennia is.

Christ. That's so funny. Speaking of millennia. All right. Well, that's everything on Devil May Cry. You want to talk about Windbreaker? Yeah. Okay. This was a cute one, huh? Right? You're going to feel. You're like the Grinch. Your heart is going to double in size. Well, hold on. Don't get too hasty because my first note is get the fuck out of his house.

Just kicking the door down for no goddamn reason. Breaking into his house. How long has Hakura Sakura actually known these guys? Like a couple weeks, right? Maybe a month. Maybe a month? Just tracked him down and broke into his home while he's sick. How did they know where he lived? I don't know. Yeah. Like school directory.

Oh, because that school, the school with no teachers and like more graffiti than actual paint as a school directory and up to date school directory. Do you remember when your school used to send home like phone books of everyone, every student in the school? No. That's how I used to make kids invite me to their birthdays. I was like, hi, Mrs. Jefferson. I'm aware your child has a birthday coming up. I'd like to go. Just cold calling birthdays because I had no friends. Why?

that's the saddest thing i've ever fucking heard that is I wait. So not only would you become aware that a child in your class had a birthday party. So you would be like, Oh, Timmy's got a birthday party. Great. I heard him talking about it. And then you wouldn't go to Timmy. You go around, Timmy. Of course. I go to the top. You would go to your phone book of your classmates, call their parents, and ask to go to their birthday party. Yeah.

Man. And then guess who got cake? Danny, no wonder you didn't have friends. I'm assuming the reception was mild at best. It was confused at best. Oh, and Danny, the kids you did not invite. this year man if I ever get a phone call from my child's like classmate being like can I come to your birthday I think I'm hitting them with a flat no or I'm like hey my son can answer that for you

I just like, I was so the kid where like, they're all having fun. And then someone's like, Hey, is that Danny Mata? And I'm just like fisting cake. And like, you're supposed to fight everyone in the clash. Oh. Maybe the guy DMing you was right. Maybe it's been too long for me. Yeah, maybe it has been too long. Maybe you're not bringing anything at this point. I just want to get invited to a party. Have you tried being funny and or compassionate about things? I have. It gets me death threats.

Why were you not being invited? I was invited to plenty of birthday parties. Yeah, well, you know. What were you doing wrong? How are you fumbling these interactions? Were you too small? Were you bad at dodgeballs? I was both of those things for sure. I was bad at every sport. I used to wear jeans in baseball. Yeah, but a baseball top. Why? I don't know.

Well, uh, no, mostly just like edgy and dumb. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, no, I'm on their side. You don't need baseball pants to enact the absolute dandelion genocide that I was enacting in, in center field. and you're telling the story through rose-colored glasses. Basically, you were the kid in jeans who they threw out in left field who just spent, I don't know, an hour kicking the fuck out of the ground. Just decapitating.

out there and they're like yeah danny's not coming to my my fucking water country birthday party tomorrow yeah that was me um i was look in school i was like friends in a lot of like friend groups, but I had no best friends. So like in school, I was bouncing around a bunch. People loved me. Like I had a bunch of like in school friends. No one invited me to.

Shit. Crazy. Yeah. I had no friends outside of school. You were literally a co-worker. You were a school co-worker. And that's how you get nominated and won. That's how you get won for best sense of humor. Both eighth grade and senior year of high school. You know what I got in terms of superlatives? Uh, why is this guy at my birthday? Oh wait, that was me. Yeah. Uh, nothing actually. Nothing. No supportive. That's tough. Yeah. I, I, I also, I had a best friend. Um,

I don't, I don't know. Things went wrong. Things. I also wasn't popular. I also, I, now I'm looking back at it now. I was kind of in the same situation where I was all, I was in all the friend groups, but I did. I got invited to everything because of that. But then I, I also, man, did I not crush it with girls?

until I hit college. Something clicked. I think I was like, I stopped being mean to them. I think that was- Yeah, that'll do it. I was like, I just gotta start being mean. And when I was mean, man, there. No, actually, in reality, it was like, stop texting them back. And then- And then I just started getting laid. Stop being needy. That was literally, I was like, literally just stop texting girls back. And I just was just rolling in it. That's a mix of drowning and rolling.

Good lesson. Unfortunately, when you're 18, that is a good lesson. That works, yeah. If you want to get laid as a dude when you're 18, don't want it. That's how it works. I don't know. Like, be funny and don't want it. And then it just happens.

Oh, man. I wish it wasn't because boy, oh boy, was I giving. Boy, boy, did you want it? Boy, oh boy, was I giving girls attention and it was not translating to dip. I know. I've also been in conversations where this has turned into the most toxic podcast. I'm not saying as an adult.

do that like you grow out of it because girls grow out it's a very high school and college thing where i've been like driving girls to a concert i wasn't invited for for no money um but like where like me and my buddy austin How about that? Dropping a girl off at a concert. And picking them up. Hours later. How about that? How about that? Can I see your vulnerability and throw one right back at you? Yeah. I went to a party once, hooked up with a girl, gave her.

That's already better than my story. Oh, buddy, it gets worse. Gave her the best. I'm going to say 52% hard penis she's ever had in her life. Barely could get it into a condom. Got a note back a couple of days later that she rated it a C plus. And so I thought passing grade. And so I visited her at work for the next, I'm going to say two weeks. I brought her a smoothie every day. Every time, every time the response was basically, hello, thanks. And I was like, she's loving this.

Yeah. Yeah, buddy. That's tough. And that was 17. So 18 is where I realized we're doing not, we're not doing that anymore. Yeah. Yeah. This is really unlocking some like simp ass memories. I didn't remember that me and my buddy used to drop girls off at concerts an hour away from our house and then go to Cabela's hunting range.

with a laptop and then watch shows because they, they had a little sitting area in that mall. We'd watch shows for like three hours. So you and a buddy would do this together? Oh yeah. And we got paid nothing. They were seeing, like, Drake. We dropped him off at, like, a Drake. Just with all the way cooler dudes.

And then we'd pick him up and we'd be like, how'd it go? And they're like, oh, I absolutely fucked Will Simon on the grass. Yeah, they're like, oh my God, dude. I was grinding every dude that was there. And you're like, that's good. That's good, honey. up in his truck on the way back because she was so drunk and then didn't help clean it up because we were like, we got it.

I know what, guys. Do simp. Do simp. You need to understand. It's how you get funny. What doesn't kill you makes you funnier. It does make you funnier. But the reason I brought it up is because I've been on those drives and girls are like, yeah, like, I don't like this guy. And they're like, why? And it's like, he just likes me too much. And I'm like, girl, what a dick.

Anyway, Twizzler, ice cold Twizzler. It's your favorite, your favorite snacks. Ignore the flowers. Those aren't for, they're for you. They're for you. I knew you were going to be upset. Dude, and the worst part is we'd be hyped for it.

Like we're like, oh, we're driving those three girls to the concert tonight. Dude, I did the same in college. I had like a group of friends that were girls and they were all like attractive. And I was like, man, they chose me as their male friend. And I was like, what the? Literally got like six months into it. I was like, what in the fuck am I doing?

That's why we're two white guys on a pod. That's why we're two white guys. Honestly, girls be meaner to the guy friends that you have in your life. Just like be like, you're fucking a stepping stone in my life. Yeah. If you meet a guy and he's not that funny. Hurt him. Hurt him. Don't actually hurt him. Make him do things for you. And then he'll reflect on that years later and he'll be like, oh, yeah, I need to be funnier. Anyway. Oh, wow. That was bad.

That helped. Fucking Andrew's idea of doing therapy hour. He's such a good goddamn idea. That should be our Patreon content. Just be like another hour of the podcast where we just unpack like childhood trauma to each other or something. Be funny to bring on a therapist. Do we have anybody? Therapisty in our life? Do we have a gale? No.

No, everyone's mean. Everyone's mean. Everyone's, yeah, everyone's mean. Everyone's mean or funny. Because no one's fucking emotionally, everyone weaponizes therapy in LA. Nobody's actually listening to their therapist. They just go to their therapist and try and fucking get enough validation on their bullshit claim, like, their bullshit narcissist. They're like, well, now I know big enough words to weaponize. Yeah, that's true. Fucking bullshit. All right. Vigilantes? Still like it.

Oh, wait, we didn't even finish Windbreaker. Oh, it was cute. But didn't we, though? We did. It was cute. It was cute. It's like just a slice of life slash BL episode. 100% a BL episode. Yeah. Except for the fact that like Hakuro Sakuro's like supposed female love interest shows up. Also kicks in his house and is like, hey, I'm here. I'm the girl.

and then you're like okay i guess he's gonna end up with you eventually i never saw her at that i i thought she was like a nobara to yuji you know just like a girlfriend maybe like maybe yeah because like boy oh boy does he have more chemistry with like 90 percent of his like With the homies. If he doesn't end up with Sue, I'm going to be very upset because he 100% should. But though, they're definitely going to end up. Like that's going to be the end of the story is like, hey.

You thought I was old in the beginning, but now we're together. I don't fucking know. There's going to be, I hope it's going to be a Yuji Nobara-esque situation, but I just don't, I don't see, like there is like some good emotional character building in the show. I just don't think it's like that level.

Yeah. Yeah. But a great study and like the, like the difficulties of solidarity. I thought that was really cool. They're talking about like, Oh, he's adjusting to not being alone. Yeah. I thought that was really nice. Yeah. I re I liked it. I liked it. more than I thought I would. Can I bring up, I didn't take notes on the episode so much as I took notes on, it just clicked with me. I find it fascinating that,

anime has anime-specific genres. And I was wondering if other countries or mediums also have... Slice of Life? I'm talking, no, because there's slice of life in like every country and every genre. I'm talking isekai is like anime slash Japan specific. I'm talking delinquent. anime 100 is like an anime and maybe there's i'm not very worldly but like america doesn't have like delinquent anime adjacent can i can i counter that gone it did uh the outsiders

Yeah. You're right. You're right. It's like, you know, like socias versus jocks kind of thing. But we don't have like isekai. Like we have accidental isekais like Spy Kids 3 is an isekai. Um, I thought of one the other day, but. Ready Player One, kind of. Ready Player One's an Isekai. But I would say any and all Isekai-esque.

shows now that are represented in Western media are heavily influenced by isekai in Japan. Well, it's not like, we don't call it a genre here. Like if you go on like Crunchyroll. there's a category for all isekai and it's got like like you'll never run out here like if you did that you'd get spy kids and ready player one like you wouldn't get like a lot narnia narnia counts yeah but it's like we don't It's not, there's not a word for it. Yeah. You know? Like, hi.

fantasy, but sometimes it's cyber punky. Right. We definitely look more into the trope. We don't look into the medium. We look into the tropes that are displayed in the show. It's not a genre. And so I looked up some others, right? We have Westerns. That's obviously like in America specific. Other, well, other countries have done it. Yeah. Other countries have done it for sure. Cowboy Bebop's like a Neo Western. It's like Space Noir. Our biggest Westerns are. from Italians.

You know, interesting spaghetti, spaghetti Westerns are like the most famous Westerns to be made. Aren't made in America or by Americans, which is funny. Your least favorite Tarantino movie is like a, that's a good bat. Like of once upon a time.

Hollywood is like about spaghetti Westerns and how they're made in Italy. Yeah, exactly. Well, when you said Tarantino, I was like, well, Tarantino is my favorite Western, which is Django. So Django is probably the best Western ever made. Django is pretty fucking sick, but I looked up others. Okay.

free to add to this list we have isekai delinquent anime okay uh and then i have giallo or probably giallo which is an italian murder mystery that incorporates horror and thriller elements and apparently this is like a very italian specific thing so it's like a murder mystery like crime thriller but with horror gotcha that's kind of cool i guess that would be like um uh true detective

Yeah. Right? Yeah, it would. Not Dexter. Dexter's not horror-y, but like True Detective, at least season one, would be like Fargo maybe? Is Fargo horror? No, probably not. And to be fair, I haven't watched an example of this. That'd be more smart of me to do. Maybe on an off-season, but like...

You know, it's like noir is a genre that's not really specific to America, but people in my research said- I almost exclusively tie noir into like 30s, like black and white, at least black and white leaning in terms of aesthetic. Yeah. Like I would say like the Watchers or the Watchmen is like very noir. Oh, yeah. Cowboy Bebop is very noir. Like there's an aesthetic. Yeah. Well, that's what I mean. So with these.

Like I have descriptions of the genre, but I'm sure there's like more nuances where it's like, oh, you know, uh, true detectives isn't a giallo because it doesn't have these tropes that I don't know. I would say like telenovelas.

For Spanish? Yeah, like, for, like, telenovelas, like, very campy. Yeah. Like, soaps. We have soap opera, but not like they do. Like, that, yeah, telenovela's good. I have G Daigeki, which is... a period drama and refers to a genre of Japanese film, television, and theater that depicts stories set in... The pre-Megi restoration period of Japan. So Seven Samurai Rashomon. If you want to do like period pieces, China's also huge. I have Wuxia. Yeah, Wuxia.

Wuxia. Yeah, is like Wuxia Films, is like, oh, everybody has a super long, like, pristine straight hair. They're all using like, they're like, like they're straight blade kind of thing. There's like crazy, like jump up kind of things. The best Wuxia film I'd say that like hit American markets would be like a crouching tiger.

Hidden Dragon? Yeah, Crouch and Tire Hidden Dragon with Michelle Yeh. I think it's Jet Li also. Michelle Yeh. Michelle Yeh. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and Jet Li, yes. Like, that would be the best, like, Western-known whooshia film. Yeah. So, and the last one I have is Bollywood, which is very much a specific genre. It's an action movie with a fucking, like, a 200-person dance in the middle of it. Like, that is very specifically India. Dude, Bollywood?

low-key fucking sick like it wasn't until i was older that i uh probably around 43 42 um that i realized how fucking impressive those dance numbers are oh yeah both in terms of how expensive but also just like the level of coordination and choreography yeah they're really fuck like it's like a fight like john wick fight scene level physicality yeah

And you're trying to incorporate it into a three-hour action movie, mind you. So, like, you're like, oh, not only do we need to block out, like, this incredibly dangerous car jump, but we also need to figure out our 200-person, like, dance hall dance. Well, they also do, like, romance.

will also be like yeah but anyway do you have any what about you do you have any uh other genre ideas i think like yeah like wuxia and like telenovelas would be like my big thing um like that's like To me, like, telenovela's almost been adapted into the vertical series that we now see, like...

that are huge in China. Yeah, like what? Do you have any examples? Oh, and then also like at Vligo, Vigloo, I believe, is where you can find Jennings Browers, my close friend, who is now starring in My Trillionaire. Trillionaire carekeeper and my secret billionaire cowboy? What are you?

talking. I think those are the two shows that Jennings is in. That's so awesome. I wasn't referencing that. Do you really not know what I'm referencing? The vertical series? But what is it like? A system, perhaps? A system? My system? Oh, my vampire system? My fucking vampire system? The show that just paid me a jillion dollars for an ad? Hell yeah, dude. Shout out Pocket FM. Do you know what's wild? What?

I think we're hitting a precipice. And this is something that I've realized because of like vertical content and like this kind of stuff existing. We're hitting a precipice in content where it no longer pays to make good content. That's so true. We are, we're hitting a level of saturation in the content market where people need so much content that it is better to produce high quantity, low quality content. And so like.

You watch these things and you're like, I can do better than this. And you probably could. but it's the willingness. Like, like if you wanted to make a, my vampire story kind of thing, you would get caught up in how bad it was. And you wouldn't like, you'd be like, we need to spend triple the amount of money on getting like good actors and all that. But that is no longer like it, like it's no longer.

advised yeah it's like hey find the cheapest hottest worst actors we can find some people will like it people who barely speak english will be like oh wow this is a cool like it's almost the story itself is sky high meets soul leveling um make that make fucking 14 of them a year. And then like, because it's so cheap, we'll make money. Yeah. I mean, it's the soups mentality where people are like, I don't, I don't care if it's like,

peak content. I want it now. Yeah. And so, yeah. And also the direct response, like direct. cause of that mentality is stuff like this existing. It's tough, especially because I did watch the entire episode. Yeah. Like, I do recommend watching it. It's really funny. You can't find it.

It's hard to find. It's hard to find because there's 250,000 views on it. There's four comments. I'm pretty sure all of the views are bonded. It's like catching a Pokemon. Like you have to hope you get the ad and then you got to click on that ad. You got to get in there. You're selected. Now that you've heard us talk.

about it you almost definitely will your phone is listening to you yeah you'll get it for sure um uh food doesn't need to be good just cheap see man oh yeah that is to me though that's very interesting right because like the food argument

is very different in the fact that food keeps you alive. Yeah, we need it. Yeah, food keeps you alive. I can't be like, oh, I can't go out to fancy dinners. I was like, cool. You're just trying to stay alive. I completely understand that. Entertainment doesn't keep you alive. Entertainment is inherently meant to-

It's inherently meant to elevate and like make the human experience more enjoyable. I can't imagine just consuming something because it exists in front of me. I think as you get older, I don't know. Cause I, cause I watched. bad stuff as a kid too there's always there's always need for slop because like josh my roommate who is also like my cinematographer and all of my like big ventures and like

I value his creative opinion. He's very smart, very creative, but he also will come home from a 14 hour work day and just crush episodes of Lucifer. And I'm like, This sucks. And he's like, yeah, isn't it sick? Like, he's like, I don't want to think right now. favorite shows. Dorothy loves Lucifer. He's like, I just want some fucking garbage in front of me. And then he'll give me a rundown on every plot beat that's happening. And I'm like...

I'm like, so this is Lucifer? And he's like, no, this is his evil twin, Lucifer. Only the name is a lie. Like, he does get an evil twin. The only difference is he has an American accent and a scar on his eye. That's so fucking...

funny i was like i can't believe they're doing an evil twin like that's awesome is that bible canon and he's like i don't think so i don't i don't think i think lucifer is the good guy in that show mind you oh yeah um that's how i feel about like shows that aren't anime that we're keeping up with like

I love watching Vox Machina or Archer because I'm like, oh, I'm not working right now. Yeah, right. It's like a literal weight off my shoulders. If I'm watching an anime that were like To Be Hero X, which I... Fucking love. Oh, yeah. But like, I'm like, oh, I still need to be taking notes. But if I'm watching Archer, I'm just like, nice. Yeah. They said the funny. I was like, nice. They called Pam a Cocor. Yeah. Huge for me.

Should we talk about Vigilantes, actually? Yeah, talk about Vigilantes here. Still like it. My first and maybe only important note is, gee, I wonder who the B-girl is. Maybe the girl with B-socks, B-backpack, and B-pens. That's maybe my only important note. Yeah. That and there's not one but two pedophiles revealed during the course of this episode. Just your average run of the mill.

we were doing come monster last episode. And then this episode, it was like, everybody wants to fuck this B girl. And I'm like, she's wearing a high schoolers uniform. The streets are mean. The fucking streets of Tokyo are real mean. Apparently I wrote, um, so we meet. Ingenium. Yes. One. Yes. Eda's older brother. Which is awesome. I also love that. I said my favorite part about the series is seeing older heroes in their pride. Seeing young Eda though.

gave me like a weird like a weird heebie-jeebie about the protagonist of this where i'm like oh he's like 30 in like the main timeline he'd be like 25 in the main timeline

Yeah. He's 20 in this, and the main timeline is five years later. Oh, I see. So he'd be younger than you, actually. Yeah, that's not bad. Well, it's just like, oh, it's weird to think that, like, in the main timeline, he's, like, significantly older. Yeah. So at one point, Ida... or Ingenium, learns about his power, his slide and glide, and he goes...

wow, you got me jealous. And then the protagonist goes, how can you say that? And I wrote, yeah, seriously, how are you going to look this guy in the eye and say that? I also loved, um, the fucking main character of the story whose name I, I know it don't know.

He doesn't have a catchy... I mean, it took me forever to learn... Deku was a catchy name. Deku's catchy. It took me forever to learn Azuku, you know, like... Oh, Azuku Midoriya. Yeah. Because he's Deku, yeah. I was like, who the fuck is Azuku? Give him, like, name him, you know, like, Scooby. yeah fucking sweeping something else probably yeah fucking we're just gonna write a story one day where everybody's names are just fucking sounds yeah um so this

I love him being like, oh, when I stop, I just use the soles of my shoes. And then Ingenium just being like, have you considered accelerating the other way? Like the most fucking milquetoast advice of all time. He's like...

you've changed my life. I know. You've had this work your entire goddamn life. You never run the slots like, oh, maybe I put it in reverse here. I know the second he was like, I'm bad at slowing down. I was like, like that thought popped into my head. I was like, what if you do reverse? Yeah. Go the other way.

What did you do? Also playing racing games teaches you that because break, if you hold it down long enough, reverse. What did, what a doofus. And this is why I don't remember his name. Um, he goes, being brave and strong is great, but speed matters more. Yeah. The fast guy would think that. Yeah. The fast guy. Yeah. The fast guy whose entire team is comprised of slow people as well.

Like, I love it. Like, I love his goons trying to catch the guy who has two quirks, mind you. Yeah. The fucking super speeding bat who, you can't have two quirks. It's not how it works. But the super speeding bat and everyone's like, oh. He's got bat speed. Bats don't run. It's like Spider-Man where it's like he's sticky and strong. Yeah, but Spider-Man doesn't exist in a universe where everybody has one power. Yeah, but bats are fast.

He has a proportional speed of a bat. They don't run fast. That's my thing. I understand that Froppy can climb on walls and has an extendable tongue on account of being a frog. I get that. I get that Mirko is fast and fuckable because she's a bunny. But a bat doesn't mean he gets to run fast. I guess so. I guess that's fair. Yeah. Like if he was, if he was, what's a bird that runs fast? Road runner. A road runner.

What? We just went with hugely different sized birds. Similar birds, but the same like idea. I guess Roadrunners can fly though. Enos can't. That'd be the issue. But a bat's not a fucking, that's not a flying. Is that even a bird? Is a bat a bird? I was stuck on as an emu a bird. I think a bat's a mammal. Yeah, it is. It's a flying rodent. Yeah. Here's my beef with emus. Emus are birds. They lay eggs. That's too big.

It's still a bird. Ostrich and emu, if you can't fly at that size, don't be that size. Do you know Australia lost a war to emus once? Yeah, I did their borderline bulletproof. There's too many bulletproof animals. Okay, have you seen the gorilla thing?

Uh, 100 people versus one gorilla? Yep. 100 people. Easy peasy. How? All right. Tell me right now how you're killing a gorilla. What do you mean? How are you? 100 people? How is 100 people killing a gorilla? Getting its eyes? One person gets in its eyes. How are you getting to its eyes? What do you mean? How are you getting to, exactly what it sounds like. If everyone attacks it at once.

A gorilla? How? Okay. What? A gorilla is what? Yay wide? Yeah. How are a hundred people attacking it simultaneously? What do you mean? Everyone's in a field. Everyone's in a field. Okay. And? They just rush it. What are you talking about? Okay. Like in a circle? If a hundred people. jumped on a gorilla, the gorilla would die from the weight. Okay. How are a hundred people? Yeah. In a circle. In a circle. Yeah. So everybody like, it's like fucking cowboys and Indians, that toy movie. Um,

Do you remember that toy movie, Cowboys and Indians, where they give all the Indians guns and they shoot in a circle and then they end up shooting each other on Buffalo? Toy movie? Yeah, you don't remember that movie? Fuck, what was it? I think it was called Cowboys and Indians. I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't like that you keep saying Indians when referring to Native Americans. I've come out and said that it's fine multiple times. Ten minutes for a reservation. It's back and forth. Okay. I'm sorry. Anyway, go on. The movie is called Cowboys and Indians. What do you, I think it's called Cowboys and Indians. Are they toys? Yes. Cowboys and Indians. Are you talking about? Movie. Like toy soldiers? Is that what it's called?

Is the movie called Toy Soldiers? Is it? No, that's the one where they're fucking G.I. Joes. Am I thinking of Small Soldiers? No, the one with their G.I. Joes. That movie fucks. Dude, that movie's incredible. No, that one is, that's a great, that's a great movie. When one of them gets caught in like the garbage disposal and it like dies. Yeah, it's frightening. Chat, what's the name of the movie? Night at the Museum? No. Regardless, look, you get a gorilla in a field.

The people circle around it. God, that's gonna annoy me. And then just a hundred people dogpile it. The weight will crush it to death. Okay, how do you make a hundred person dogpile? What do you mean? A bunch of people get on its back and then they keep doing that. Okay. Meanwhile, other people are kicking it in the legs. Do you know how much a gorilla can lift? 1,400, 1,500 pounds? That's 10 people.

It's 10 of you. A hundred people are killing a gorilla. A hundred? Okay. How though? What do you mean? They're just crushing it to death. They crush it to death. They get in its eyes. They do what we were going to do to Luffy. Enough people beating a gorilla with their fists and fists and kicks. You know, they have thicker bones, more dense muscle. There's nothing we could do to kill a gorilla.

Even if you stab its eyes out, how are you killing the gorilla? It's blind now. How are you killing it? You could die of that. Die of eye stabs? Yeah, you'll bleed out of your eyes. Not until, okay, probably not fast enough that it couldn't kill the other 100 people. We'll probably pass out through the pain. Okay, but- Also, how deep?

You get a middle finger in the eye socket, you hit the brain. Okay, but you're assuming that you're going to be able to hit a gorilla in the eye while a hundred people are piled on top of it. Think for a second. In that scenario, if 100 people are on top of it, it's already dead. So why do I need to get in its eyes? How do you stack 100 people? How do you stack 100 people? You climb the tower of people. You climb a tower of people. Yeah. So everybody 50 people and down dies? Yes.

But so does the gorilla. That's the challenge. Okay, but you're telling me that the initial setup to climbing on this gorilla is that eight or so people have to initially hold this gorilla down. Yeah. That is not, it won't work. Eight people can't hold the gorilla down. They get on its back and then other people are kicking its legs.

The legs, which are this. You're telling me the gorilla is going to stay on its feet the entire time? I would reckon a fair chance the gorilla stays on its feet the entire time. No way. 100% yes. The first. First off, unless it is, I'm not saying that it's not a possibility, but unless it's highly coordinated and nobody faults, nobody surrenders or runs away, I don't think it's that hard.

I, Danny, the first- A hundred people is a lot of people. Remember when you say, oh, I'm going to fight kids. What kind of people? Remember you're like, oh, I'll brutalize the first one to make the rest run away. That's what's going to happen to the first five fucking people. That's reasonable. What kind of people? Like are we issuing it out in challenge?

By saying it's 100 Navy SEALs? Like, yeah. Are we issuing out a challenge? Like, hey, we need 100 people to fight this gorilla? Or is it just like random in a crowd grandma, child? I'll even let you say 100 fighting age men. Easy. No. No, there's no way to kill a gorilla. The only way to possibly kill a gorilla is to sacrifice one of the guys that you have.

break his legs, get his bones. That's a possibility? Like, if you grip the bones out of somebody's body and use said bones to stab the gorilla in the neck. That is the only fucking way humans are beating a gorilla. Okay, can we do that? Maybe. Then we win. It's not easy to get bones out of a body. They're connected to tissue and muscle and sinew. Well, the gorillas...

Dealing with a bunch of other people, someone will take a corpse and get the bones out. Okay, but with what? Just ripping bones out of a body? That's not... These are like Navy Seals. Bones don't slide out like it's pork belly. You break it. Fucking pulled pork. You break it.

I guess, but then it's still connected to an arm. Are you going to try and compound fracture? Do you think a bone just slides out? No, if you wiggle it around, it'll cut all the flesh off. Why would it do that? What do you mean, why? Because it's a broken, shattered bone. So you think. Or they use their teeth. They bite around it. So somebody chews all of the meat off a bone.

Why not? They're trying to survive. It's either that or they die to a gorilla. One forearm bone. They can then stab a gorilla in the neck. Why not? Mostly for a thousand reasons. I mean, because your strategy of. Piling a hundred people on top of a gorilla is asinine. Then we... And the only good idea I gave you, and that's not a good idea. That idea is such a fine idea. You bite the flesh off of the arm. Why is that ridiculous? Have you ever tried ripping raw flesh off a forearm?

I haven't had the adrenaline of a gorilla about to kill me, but I'm pretty sure I'll figure it out. You don't have the teeth or the jaw to do that. I'll tell you that right now. You can do it. You got a weak jaw. You could do it. I simply could not. I'll tell you that right now. You could bite through skin easy. You could bite through skin. Now imagine doing that for an entire forearm as you try and peel the flesh off it to build a tibia, a fucking tibia bone.

that could also break as you try to stab the gorilla with it because its muscles are that dense. If I gave you a knife, do you think you could kill a gorilla? Just me? Yes. Yes. If I gave a follow-up question, because I figured there's no way you were dumb enough to answer yes. Here's what you haven't thought of. How big's the knife? Give me the knife.

Pod knife? Pod knife. You have pod knife. Could you kill a gorilla? This is so much knife. It's a lot of knife. It's also a lot of gorilla. I throw it. What if it hits the handle side? Well, you said could. What do you mean? Like, could I kill a gorilla? Could you kill a gorilla? Not saying will I, but that's possible. I have, you know, a 30% chance at the blade part getting into its face.

Into its face. Yeah. You couldn't throw a blade through a gorilla's skull. Why? You couldn't throw a blade through my skull. It's A, too small a target for you. B, a gorilla is faster than me. And C, they have thicker bones than we do. I think I could with a knife. I threw up a gorilla skull. You think you could throw us a blade? A moving gorilla skull. I'm saying there's a chance. If it hits.

there's a chance that the heat death of the universe stops the fight midway through and that for some reason one of the people survives. Look, I'm 100% certain 100 people would kill a gorilla. It's asinine. We figure it out. We? You'd be there? The people. Oh, the humanity, a hundred of you, a hundred of you.

Not even just 100 fighting age men. I think 100 of you could fight a gorilla. No, 100 of me are cowards. That's 100 cowards. Fair, fair. Exactly. And you think 100 randomly selected people, no one's going to run away? I didn't say that. I said 100 sign-ups. People sign up for war every day, Danny. They still run when they see their fucking best buddy's head get concave. That's different from a single gorilla. Uh, no, I'd argue it's fucking not.

You know the indicator of how much PTSD a veteran ends up with? It's the proximity to the people they watch die, which is why snipers, drone pilots, helicopters, all those kinds of people usually end up with less PTSD than people like. infantrymen that checks out because sometimes they have to stab a motherfucker to death your question isn't could a hundred people

kill a gorilla, all survive, and then be mentally okay after it. You, as long as the gorilla- Hey, Nick, as long as the gorilla dies by sundown- I'm telling you it won't. Then I win. I'm telling you right now- And I'm saying it will. I'm telling you, you're losing half the people. Okay. To running away. No, wait, hold on. The other half are getting beaten to death. No.

The gorilla will get tired. Everyone acts like animals don't get tired. I'll tell you right now, a gorilla is going to get tired a lot slower than the hundred people trying to fight it. On account of the fact that it will have all of its fucking limbs attached.

Well, the people with their limbs won't get tired because they're waiting to get killed by the gorilla. Yeah, it waves. It fucking waves, Danny. Insane. Absolutely insane. This is worse than two wolves. This is so much worse than two wolves. Danny's ego versus Andre gorillas. Yes. Danny's ego probably wins. All right. Speaking of things that me and Danny can agree on, I think we're done with vigilantes. Fucking who gives a shit. To be hero X. To be hero sucks.

Remember I'm armed and I have, I don't think you can hit me. I really, I genuinely do not. Let me tell you something. Yeah. In eighth grade, I can admit to a murder right now because if you are, remember. This does go out to people. I'm going to admit to a near accidental blinding and or murdering. Okay, cool. In eighth grade, I forget why I did this, but I was sitting.

Uh, across from my friend, Sam Sessions, who I think I mentioned earlier on this podcast. I think you did as well, yes. Um, I was sitting right across from him. I had my pencil and we were, you know, you're in your little like... like one of those like rigid fucking iron desks with like the cubby in it. Yeah. Uh, and so we're close. We're about half the distance. You and I are facing each other, facing each other. This isn't like,

Me, someone, someone, someone. Yeah, it's like a quad. For whatever reason, I look at him, I take my pencil, and I knife throw it. and it hits him right between the eyes. A perfect shot. Point side? Point side draws blood. And I was like, whoa. I fucking aced that. It wasn't until years later that I realized I would have either killed or blinded him for life had I been a little bit off. That's what people don't understand about growing up as a man, like as a boy, is that...

They're like, why'd you do that? And you're like, I don't know. I don't fucking, the lack of impulse control I had until I was 18. 20, maybe 21. I got in so much trouble growing up because they'd be like, why'd you whip an eraser across the classroom at full speed? Dude, I... I just thought it'd be sick. Yeah. You're just doing shit. You're just doing shit. I literally once took, I had one of those like pink erasers, the rectangle ones. I was at recess and I just.

fucking side armed it as hard as I could. I was trying to like throw it into the bushes. smokes a girl in the face smoke fortunately this girl's got a crush on me yeah and i she's like crying and like no no no no no i was like i was like if you at this point i've been i've been suspended like four times and i was like they told me they're like one more they're like you get one more and i was like

if you tell the teachers, I'm getting expelled. Oh no. And because she had a crush on me, she was like, okay. And I was like, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. And so yeah, I would just do shit. Can I one up that? uh i was in gym again this is a i just did shit like move and i had a crush on this girl and her and i were like close friends and we had like a will they won't they from like fifth grade to sophomore year of high school um

And she was always dating like jocks and stuff. And so I was like, ah, she's not, she's not into me. I'm just pining, but it turned out she was into me. Um, but anyway, it's like spin the block. It's like, what? Spin the block. Spin the block? Block. Never mind. I don't know. It's all right. Anyway, that sounds like a, like a nineties Brooklyn insult. I'm going to knock your block off. It just means go, go.

go try again. Oh, I see. I see. Um, but so like freshman year of high school, we're in gym. She's standing like 12, 15 feet away from me. I'm holding a basketball. Yeah. Just like standing there. I don't think I'm talking to anyone. And I just fucking beam it right at the side of her head. Like knocked her lights out. Like feet in the air.

nice hands feet just fucking did a whole like just rocked her like her feet went up like a cartoon and the second it hit her for some reason as if somebody possessed me and then left my body I was like Why'd that happen? And then, well, that's funny. That's the worst feeling when you're like, oh, I did that. And I don't know why. You're like, why am I in this position right now?

Who did this to me? But so, yeah, like you do it and you're like, I'm the victim. But, uh, and then, and then her and I are like sitting down. She's trying to like shake off a concussion. And we're against the wall. You lied to me, right? And the gym teacher comes over and he was like, he was like, I'm using a fake name, but he was like, hey, Jessica, how's it feel to have your boyfriend give you a concussion? And she's like, we're not dating. And he's like, oh. And I was like.

Dog, you dog. Come here, Mr. Diglio. You're fucking doing me a solid, man. You were like, oh, I was pretty jockey, right? That was a pretty athletic boy. That was pretty weird of Mr. Diglio, huh? Or no, though? Or no, huh? What if we dated to make up for this grave injustice I've inflicted upon you? What if we, like, kissed just to prank him? Oh, fuck. Dapping up the coach while the girl's got stars spitting up off her head.

I'm just like, come on, come on, you know. I'll do it again. We think if we get her enough, we get enough head injury, she'll think she's my girlfriend. Are you telling me Wolf Emperor Dan didn't get the girl?

That's a good chat. Great chat, dude. They're on one over here. No one else had intrusive thoughts. That's the issue. I saw a TikTok where people- I don't, listen, I- growing was stopping acting on them yeah that's the issue i saw a tiktok where people were like everyone's like oh when the intrusive thoughts win and it's just like getting an extra cookie from the jar oh i went to in and out on the way home yeah like no one's digging up the real

intrusive thoughts when you're just like a teenager and you're like, I'm just gonna hit someone for no reason. I think I brought an airsoft gun to school once.

I wanted to show everybody. That's intense. I've also been a victim of the, I just wanted to show my friends this cool thing. Those were the real intrusive thoughts. I brought a, like... like a 40 caliber bullet to fourth grade show and tell because my mom brought me to this, like, uh, she worked for Pratt and Whitney, which is like, they make aircrafts and like fighter jets and shit.

We went to this like, it was insane. But we went to, you know, like an event they held, like a convention. And for whatever reason, there's just like bullet shells. all over the ground like leading into the park like as a fun as like a fun little thing that's a sign to not go to the park that's a sign that somebody else has been having a day at a park and i don't need to enjoy it They're like ever like planting. They're like sniper rounds or they're like, you know, from a plane. Yeah.

And so I was like, well, can I have one? And my mom was like, sure. And then I just, there's a big gap. And then I remember crying on my dad's bed as he's like, you brought this to school? There's six police at my work. They're wondering where you got a fucking AA-10 bullet. Yeah, like an anti-tanker. Are you working for fucking, like, are you working for a home defense? Like, fucking.

National security? Anyway. Holy shit. All right. Tupi Hero X. Yeah, cut all this. I don't even want to talk about anime. I want to talk more about... We're like, oh, it's a new therapy hour. We're just doing it now. Cut all this. Keep it all. This is not a great look. It's our best podcast. We're shitty kids. We're better people now. We learned. We were shitty kids and then simps. What an overcorrection. I 100% went from bullied.

it doesn't get the girl to like kind of nerd. And I like, I really don't understand how it happened. I got laid the nicer I got, but like, I don't know. There was a, there's a weird X, Y trajectory. Anyway, man.

To Be Hero X was pretty good. To Be Hero X was great. You said it was the best episode of the week. I... Or of the week, yeah, probably. And of To Be Hero X. No, I disagree with that. Okay. I think episode three was better just because Furman's such a fucking real one. I just love him. Furman was a real one. I just loved him. I do love me some Furman, 100%. This episode, though, listen.

I don't want to talk about the reveal yet, but the reveal at the end is what made me be like, this is the best episode. That's what made me annoyed with the show. Boy, oh boy, do I understand? Because wow, is it a trend. Yeah. It is a trend.

It's a concerning trend. All right, so this episode starts with what I've now begun to realize is just like maybe the coolest power system in the history of power systems. Oh, yeah. Because Nice is trying to get to like try to go to fight the Enlighter, trying to save Moon.

and everyone's like oh we don't want nice endangered uh and so like he like literally cannot go to go get her and people are like people are kind of split on this power system and i find that really weird because i think this is one of the coolest power systems of all time because

It leaves so much open for possibility, but you also really don't need to explain how people's abilities work because you don't know their fans. Well, are people split because it's so abstract? People are like, oh, like the abstractness of this power. Yeah. leaves a lot of questions in terms of how this universe works. I mean, there's questions, but not in a way that I'm like, oh, it's bad writing.

Anytime something like that happens, not only am I like, oh, that feels like a natural fit, like nice not being able to leave because they kind of set the seeds for that. with Furman not being able to bend. True. And so, like, Nice not being able to leave. I think, honestly, well... I'll get into the gripes, but like, not only am I like, oh, that makes sense, but I'm also excited. I'm like, whoa, I didn't even think about that. Like that's sick. I will say.

It's weird that it's not just the power system. It's like their reality. So like... Because Nice is becoming like a perfectionist. Well, like if it was his power system... And that it was like based on like perception. I think he just lose the ability to flight, to fly. Like, I think it's weird that like, it's like, no, you stay right here. Yeah. You know, like.

I could see why people are like, that's doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. People are like, Oh, well it just like opens the door. So a lot of inconsistent. I don't really know what it was. Um, but I thought it was fucking sick as hell. And then I think like, even if you wanted to be like, Oh, I don't like that. He was like confined.

the building kind of thing that's not part of his power it's like oh that moment needed to happen because it needed to like there was like something that we talked about last week that i think this episode did a fantastic job of addressing

was the fact that you're like, I don't want him to like, I don't want this to be easy for him. Like he just lucked his way into a top 10 spot. And it was like, like, he just got to be nice. He was top 10. He has to shed in that moment. The only reason he's able to leave is because he sheds nice. He's like, I'm not.

And that brings it back to the firm man comment from last episode. It was like, whoever you are, just be yourself kind of thing. And so he just like sheds being nice. So he loses all the powers because the trust is no longer to him. I thought that was fucking sick. Yeah. I like that. I mean, it's hype when he starts. Fucking just having a real rodeo beat down on the roof. Just two dorks.

Yeah, two dorks who aren't trained in Muay Thai and fucking ballet, like fucking nices. Two dorks having a crazy, brutal, like just messy fight. And then speaking of all of the stuff that's going to get cut from this episode of the podcast. it reminded me and I said this while we were watching it his big power up punch was like how I used to punch as a kid where like not like people but I'd be like in my room

and like, you know, pretending, like playing in my imagination. Do your Big Mac or Little Mac fucking like. I do like a huge like wind up and then I scream and I like spin around because it's me like creating speed lines. And I'm like the farther back my fist is, the more powered up it is. Yeah. And I do a big. old Popeye wind up uppercut. Yeah. But what's cool is over the course of him fighting Aslan Lang, the only thing he throws is that right punch. That's because it's all like, it's like.

He's just using his strong hand to try and attack in the most common way possible. I just like, oh, cause he's the common man or whatever. But, um, I liked, yeah, this was like the most dramatic over the top, like. insane uh punch I've seen in a bit the like the impact frame shift with like the white screen and all that is it like hyper like like Gets crazy bright. Tearing along the helipad, like with his fist, like to the uppercut that gets like IG'd. Um, I wrote, my first note is doom fist.

That dude did was Doomfisting. He was. Oh, oh, fucking the boxer dude. Yeah, the boxer. I forgot he even existed. I know he had like a similar color scheme to Doomfist in terms like his armor and stuff. And then also his power is to have rocket punch. Yeah.

So I thought that was funny. I thought it was really cool that in lighter's ability was like exposing heroes that immediately just like tanks all their trust value. Yeah. Like that, like just quick little look into like, Oh, Hey, the only reason people ever thought he was powerful is because he cheated in box.

yeah i thought that was sick i also thought that was cool um at one point they go not only do his punches deal physical damage but they also erase memories and i wrote dog that's just a concussion I also wrote, I said, what kind of belief gives you memory wiping power? Memory wiping punches. Yeah. Was he just like fucking like people were just waking up from their fights just being like, I don't know who I am anymore.

That must be it. Like he's knocking the daylights out of them. And people are like, Oh, if you get hit by him, you lose your memory. Yeah. He must've punched a dude so hard that it like gave him brain damage. And he was like, that's every punch from this guy, which makes sense. Cause he put metal in his.

I was going to say, when you have metal gauntlets that are rocket powered, yeah, that'll fucking do it. No, but I mean, even when he was like growing up in the league and cheated, like he had weighted gloves. And I think this is a really cool look into like, oh, like how easy and how cheap. um like clout is yeah because like it's that one it's like one little like piece of evidence and all of his power is gone yeah

And I think that was like a really cool look into like, and that's like, there's like really cool undertones to all of us that talk about like being a public persona and all that. And it's like, you need one little, like one little hiccup and you're gone. One bad day. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting. It's weirdly like a pro creator commentary, anti fan commentary like that this show is taking where it's like.

Yeah, like this one little thing comes out about him that isn't like really that bad. Like I guess he cheated, which sucks. Yeah. But like.

You assume since then... He's been a hero. Yeah, he's built up a lot of goodwill. And then it's like, oh, no, that dude's cooked. Like, that guy's done. And then it's also, like, anti-fan in that it's like... when nice can't leave it's like no like you're their bitch like they control what you do i think it's very interesting that the enlighters entire thing is like he's trying to tear down like the falsehoods of heroes kind of thing and in this universe that makes a lot of sense

Because they're like, a lot of them are just lying about being heroes, right? Setting up fights against rivals and all of that. It's really not all that- compelling in terms of like they're actually doing actual hero work because i think so far we've literally seen no actual hero work done outside of like the lighter attacking nice and all that um

But I do think it's actually a really good look into like, I think like as, and this is like why I'm like, oh, you should love Oceanoko. Like as public people, like we have this like.

understanding we're like oh people will definitely put us on a pet like on a pedestal but the pedestal is made of glass yeah you know it's like so the second that like there's a crack and that pedestal can't bear weight anymore gone yeah kind of thing so i think that's one of the cooler undertones and like underlinings of this entire

show yeah uh that like that trust is so easily lost but i think the sloppiness of the fight like with him like coming in as lin ling was like directorially chosen to be like as like antithetical to nicest fighting style as possible i like i think that's kind of funny because i feel like

If you had to compare this fight to any of the other fights in the show, these first four episodes, where would you put it? Like, would you say this is the best, the worst, the middle? Oh, probably middle. It really didn't like. chump out like it was cool but and that's i think that's kind of interesting because i think that's going to be the way that a lot of people think about it like oh it's not that interesting but i think that's kind of cool that it's not because like

it wouldn't make sense for it to be as highly choreographed, super like strategic and flying and high level fight because it's the enlighter whose entire ability is exposing weaknesses and exposing heroes. And then Lin Ling, who's not a superhero, he's like the commoner, right?

So it being just like right punch and just brutal, drawn out, hair dragging, just bloody mess of a fight, I thought was really dope. I actually liked that the fight was like kind of mid because I was like, that's how it should be. Yeah, it was definitely brutal. When he grabs one of his... little drones starts beating them with it that was crazy that was nuts can we talk about the end uh so yes we can now talk about the end here um so

I, so it gets revealed that Moon isn't actually there with the Enlighter and that the Enlighter had no idea where to find Moon. He just made a clone so that he could like draw out Linling or Nice. And so the episode ends with Nice or Linling now, I guess, or the comic.

using Moon's portal gun somehow. I have no idea how he uses Moon's portal gun. Yeah, well, it's her like power is so weird. I guess her power is just the gun. Well, because it's a gadget. Yeah. But that's weird. You would think that like. It'd go away when she lost her trust. But she still had trust. Like she had some trust. She probably still had enough trust to put her over the threshold. I guess so.

Linling goes to find her. And apparently it's revealed that like the portal that she walked through, like what brought her to an abandoned Island. Ridiculous. Cause she was like, Oh, but I thought it was cool. She was like, I wanted to go somewhere that nobody would like disturb me or something like that. And it's the only place that you would find that.

A fucking island where nobody lives. And so they're about to do this big kiss. They're about to like get back together. She's like, oh, I'm coming back. I'm done with vacation. And then out of nowhere, fucking Rin Amini. Yeah. Like him inventory just gets shot in the head and then boom, it's the ending of episode one. Yeah. So good. And listen, I get it. Everyone's like, oh, stop killing Moon. I understand that Moon has been killed.

in three out of the four episodes, but one of them is fake. Yeah. One of them is fake. The second, the other one is a setup for this moment. Well, so he can see the future? Is that the bit? I don't know. Yeah. That's the things that we don't know. And we also don't know who she is and why or who the person who killed her is or why he wants her dead or why he has beef with Lin Ling. And then there's like some kind of hero tournament coming up in 15 days.

Um, and that's why I think we're going to be introduced to all of these heroes. Cause they're going to come together probably in combat against this guy. Like he's going to be this great unifying force against all the heroes. Like he seems like some like reverse flash S type, but he just domes moon. So moon.

dies and i think i get we keep killing moon but i think fake killing moon was such a good uh smoke screen to what happened in the first episode because you'd be like like we talked about it i was like oh well like maybe she's gonna die or maybe like this is like a a way to like this is a way for them to be like oh look she died you know like she fake died and that was like us looking forward to the idea of her fake dying or something like that that reveal at the end caught me off guard

Yeah. So hard. Cause I, I was so caught up in the romance of all of it. Like I loved them. I loved, I love Lin Ling. I love moon. I was like, Oh, I'm so stoked to get to be together. What a good ending to this four episode arc. Dead. Gone. Well, it's funny. Like, I mean, I guess. it caught me by surprise, but I also just didn't care because with her dying at the end of episode one and then episode two being about fake killing her. Now, now like.

seeing her die again i'm like 75 of this show has ended with her dying yeah yeah so like i was like oh whatever um but i also wasn't i didn't care too much at the end of episode one and you really liked it yeah um I don't know if I believe that...

this is running in four episode arcs though, because it really feels like next episode is just going to pick up immediately instead of changing perspectives. Like you said it would. I mean, like I said, this is something I heard like a comment. Like I, I have no, I don't, no one really knows except for the showrunners.

yeah um and so i just think like it's gonna i think this is gonna be the end like i think that's gonna be like the hard stop yeah uh and then it's gonna like gonna cut to another hero or something because like the commoner story is like kind of done like he might try and fight against them but i think that's the final bad guy

I think we're setting up a final bad guy here to be fought by the combination of all the heroes. Yeah. Do you want more common or do you want a new hero? Uh, like a new hero would be cool. Like just. because it's something new and exciting for sure. And a new like art style and all that. Yeah. Like, I mean, potentially, who knows? But that'd be cool. All right. Cool. All right. Well, that brings us to our best boys. Do you have news?

Do you have news? Do I have news? Yeah. No. God, no. Never? No. Bob's doing Best Boy first. We always do Best Boy first. Oh, do we? Yeah. We always do best. For the last 110 episodes, we've done best boy first. Do you have a best boy? Do you have a best boy? Do not. No, do you have a best boy? I have a best boy. Yeah, who's it? Expedition 33, Claire Obscure.

Have you seen about it? I've seen it, but it's turn-based, so I have to hate it. Well, okay. I'm kidding. I want to play it really badly. Well, I was going to say you love Baldur's Gate. Otherwise, I would have bought that. Baldur's Gate. It looks... dope as fuck i've heard like everyone's giving like 9.5 yeah i am just in the in the midst of a sons of the forest playthrough right now i have not beaten warhammer

Lots to do. Subnautica 2 got announced. That's my best boy. Yeah. Subnautica 2 got announced. And I was like, I thought Subnautica 2 has been out forever. And they were like, no, Nick, that's Subnautica below zero. Yeah. I was like, well, then why the fuck are we calling it Subnautica?

So yeah, my best boy is also a video game. Nice. Talk to me about, have you been playing? Nope. But I like that it's doing well. Why? Because it's an indie game. Because it's Mother Fluffin' turn-based, which is cool. People keep being like, turn-based is dead. Like, content creators will be like, oh, this game's smoked. Like, it's dead on arrival. It's turn-based. Nobody wants turn-based. I don't think there's any section of content creators dumber than video game content creators.

I think they might, like if we had to eliminate one, it'd be like that and like maybe family vloggers. That's. Fair. That's fair. I was going to argue because I like a lot of video game content creators. Arguably, that's the only kind I like. But the only kind I dislike are also video game content. Like, yeah, I'd kill. I do like prank. ah fuck yeah because there's no good prank channels yeah that's the issue now it's like almost impossible to be a prank channel without pissing me off yeah um i

I am happy that it's a turn-based game that's doing really well because I keep seeing content creators being like, oh, it's dead on arrival. And then... Baldur's Gate does really well. Metaphor ReFantasio does really well. This does really well. And I'm sick of people.

for some reason, pushing this anti-turn-based agenda for no reason. I kind of like a turn-based game. I love it. I love having a second to think about things. I love it because it makes me feel strategic. Like sometimes I get... insecure playing like shooters like multiplayer shooters because I'm like why am I even playing this like I can't be the best of the best I'm not a 13 year old like infinite time yeah with infinite time and infinite Ritalin like

So when I'm playing a turn-based strategy game, I'm like, you know what? I could be the best in the world at this. It doesn't require reflexes. It just requires thought and strategy. So even though I won't be the best... there is a possibility. You can gaslight yourself into thinking. Yeah, exactly. Um,

But yeah, and it looks beautiful. The story I hear is like incredible. Like people are saying it's an instant classic. So I'm happy it's doing well. It's also an indie team. I think like 30 people made it. Yeah. Which is dope. Mine is Subnautica 2. Nice. It was announced a long time ago.

but go off game. It was not announced or it was an update or something. Something happened with Subnautica 2. I mean, Subnautica 2 was like announced like months ago, I believe. Amazing. I don't think you're right, friend. I don't think you're right. October, 2024 confirmed. There won't be any weapons of any kind. Oh, they, they. They kicked off a developer blog series for the game. Subnautica 2 teaser trailer, October 17th, 2024.

Oh, four days ago, Subnautica 2 releases date window, early access trailers, and more. Your best boy is that you found out somehow. My best boy is that I love survival games, and I just remembered that about myself, because I'm just out there, and it's like all these things trying to eat me, but no. I'm better. Do you play the first one? Yeah. Do you get scared? Fuck yeah. It's scary. Oh my God. I'm terrified. Yeah. One of my favorite games of all time. I'll never play it again. When you.

get to like the trench for the first time and it's like multiple leviathan class entities are you sure whatever you're doing is worth it and you're like nope you're right it's not whenever you get to the back of the uh of the ship for the first time you see your first leviathan you're like oh i'm and you're still in your little water scooter thing, you're like, yeah, this is where I die. Oh, fuck, man. I know. They haven't, from what I've seen of Subnautica 2...

They haven't like talked about like, you know, oh, we're really going to like bring fear back and this and that. Like. They don't have to. I have to be underwater and it's dark. That's scary enough. I know. Well, that's the thing is that like Subnautica 1 also wasn't like, we're a horror game. They're like, water's just scary in general. But I'd love if they like leaned into it where they're like, we know most...

like a lot of the appeal is that it's scary to be in the water. And so I wish they were like, darker trenches you know like fucking like you need like you like it's that's been i've been playing sons of the forest recently and it's like the darkest game i've ever played the second the sun goes down you're like i can't see my own hand right like it's fucking terrifying uh all right

And do you have news? You have news. I have news. Has Been Hotel and Hell of a Boss both got an update. Hell of a Boss has been bought by Amazon. and has been hotel was previously owned by Amazon. Yeah. And has been hotel is getting seasons three and four along with two, obviously. Um, but what this means is that one, just security, like,

there will never be a risk of them being like, hey, this is too expensive to make. We're gone. Yeah. But two, it means that since both properties are owned by Amazon, they can now have as much crossover as they want. It's kind of crazy how much Amazon is doing in the animation space. Yeah. Because they're doing Invincible.

They're doing Vox Machina. They're doing Hasbun Hotel. They're not doing hell of a boss. I would say if I had to be like, oh, for American animation, I'd say Amazon Prime are kind of like doing the most. Yeah. For American. Yeah, for sure. Netflix definitely has like a couple of like anime. like big animated to come out but it seems though amazon's prioritizing like american anime yeah um so stoked on that fucking i feel like it's been forever since i watched

Hell of a has been hotel. Yeah, I know. It's been like maybe a full year. I think I like has been hotel more than I like hell of a boss. That's wild. I think hell of a boss is so much better. I think hell of a boss has more film out there. What? What makes has-been better? Charlie Morningstar? There's no way. That's your answer. That's a ridiculous answer.

I mean, it's not, the music's better. In actuality, that's- The music's better and more frequent. I mean, I love Angel Dust. I love, I like a lot of the characters. I think there's- I'm not going to say that there's deeper themes explored, but I think like objectively the writing in Hasbun Hotel is better than Hell of a Boss. I think Angel Dust is really strong.

I don't think there's a single other character that is better than Blitz, Millie, Moxie, or Stolas. Well, that's the thing, but it's like also just a matter of like, oh, how much tape is out there. Yeah, I guess so. I guess I'd have to compare, like, season one Hell of a Boss to season one Has Been Hotel. Oh, after eight episodes. Which do I like more here? All right, that brings us to our favorite part of the episode. Love Letters from me and Danny Paul, our live audience.

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Almost definitely at some point this week. And we are going to hopefully beat the game at some point. So that's going to be our next couple of videos. Me and Danny trying to cooperate together like it's take two. Except we're not trying to mend our marriage because it already works perfectly. Super Squatch 420s, who would be on your Mount Rushmore of anime characters here? We're going to do a draft because there might be some light overlap here. Yeah. So you go first. Okay.

Um, give me, I'll take Naruto from you. Naruto wasn't on my list. Really? Not on my list. No Naruto characters. Not the most influential character in his own show. Genuinely, I don't think he abides by the lessons told in Naruto as well as a lot of other characters. We are... Do I have a tattoo of Naruto on my body anywhere? I'm doing influential characters, but in a way that I don't think you understand. I'm doing influential characters, but also my favorite.

Okay. Yeah. I'm doing characters who I believe defined generations, but also characters that I think are the best in their own respective universes. Gotcha. My first, I'm going to take one from you. Thorfinn. Not on mine. Not on your list? Super no impact on. Are you just going to have like Naruto, Goku, Ichigo, and Luffy? Because that's stupid. I got stuff like it. That's objectively dumb. I'll throw curveballs. That's just so stupid. Thorfinn is like, Thorfinn, you have to understand.

is one, the emcee of the best seinen manga out there and is probably the driving force in a lot of people identifying that seinen manga even exists and that they're interested in it. He is so atypical to your standard anime MC that I genuinely believe he's a genre defining presence in anime and manga. Yeah, I mean, he's great. He's like one of the best anime characters ever. I don't think he's got like the impact.

that would put him on a Mount Rushmore. Name all four presidents on Mount Rushmore right now. I don't know. Yeah. So, I mean, all right, fine. Name four presidents. Bill Gates? That's basically, yeah. All right.

So it's not always about like, oh, the most influential. That's what Mount Rushmore is. It's like the founding fathers of the country. Not the founding fathers of the country. Is it not? One of them is the founding father of the country. I don't know what Mount Rushmore is. Well, it's in South Dakota. No, I don't know what it is. It's for presidents that, you know, America likes. Oh, I see. It's Teddy Roosevelt, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln. Andrew Jackson? Not Andrew Jackson.

I actually don't know who the fourth is. Is Thomas Jefferson a president? Thomas Jefferson is not a president. Damn it. Wait, was he? We don't want to. We don't. But listen, I can name four presidents. And those aren't necessarily the four that I would name. All right. Coming up at two, you have.

Uh, Edward Elric. Edward Elric is a good choice. Yeah. That's a good choice. Yeah. Because that was like the, the MC that made us realize that not everybody has to be like, you know, a Naruto or a Luffy. Like they can be more complex shown in. Right. FMAB is not a seinen, it's a shonen, but it's more complex, at least thematically. At least it feels more complex than a more straightforward story like One Piece or Naruto. On the surface level.

On the surface level. Speaking of digging holes, my God, what are you doing? I'm just saying like in 60 episodes, it accomplishes a lot more thematically. Well, it's tight, which is good. Exactly. Like it's a completed story in 60 episodes. Yeah. I would then have to go with Meruem. Okay. I think Meruem is the best character in Hunter x Hunter by far and away. Kiloa is a close second. Gon is a close third. Meruem is the first antagonist that made me like...

actually appreciate what it takes to write a villain. I think he's probably the greatest antagonist of all time. I think the Chimera Ant arc is probably the best anime arc of all time. Uh, and so he is a core, core, core, core, core part of that. The entire conversation that revolves around his development from a monster into a human, I think is some of the best writing in just fiction in general. Uh, and so yes, Merrim is at my number two.

I'll do a character that doesn't get put on these lists very often, but is wildly influential and I would argue got like most of our generation into anime without them even realizing it. I'll do Ash Ketchum. Ash Ketchum. Ash Ketchum. Fuck, that's a really good choice. He's so buried. People are like, yeah, Naruto got me into anime. Yeah. It...

Probably did. It was probably Ash Ketchum or Yu-Gi-Oh. A lot of people don't consider Pokemon as an anime. Or fucking Yu-Gi-Oh because it was so integrated to their childhood. Yeah, because they think it's just like... A kid's show. And they were just cartoons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, no, it's fully a Japanese anime. Yeah. I'm going to go number three here because I'm afraid you might have them. Okay. Denji.

I didn't. You didn't have Denji? No, but I love Denji. My issue with putting him on here is I think similar to Thorfinn, like you said, where he's like, oh, he redefines like... that genre's protagonist. I think Denji does too, but I think 90% of the fan base doesn't realize it. It's less than 90, but it is a lot. Yeah. I do love that that small group of people does exist. Yeah. That means.

a lot that's fair uh all right who's your three uh i'll do aaron jaeger aaron jaeger for four is good because you gotta you gotta like you gotta if like If people didn't watch Pokemon or Naruto, like the next one that got him is Attack on Titan. And he's by far and away the most compelling character in that story. Like him, agree with him, doesn't matter. He's the most compelling. I know so many adults that got into anime as adults.

through attack on titan like not these are people who have no business liking anime and attack on titans what reeled them in yeah uh my last one somebody from naruto but not naruto itachi Interesting. By far and away, I would say if you polled most Naruto fans, the number one most favorite character in all of Naruto, Itachi. Maybe Minato is a close second. But the best story in all of Naruto, the biggest reveal in all of Naruto.

the most prolific character, the most beloved, the most overhyped. If you're talking about a character in Naruto, I do think more than Naruto, Itachi is the face of it. That's fair. Yeah. Well. All right, guys, that's all we got this week. We appreciate you so much for checking in for another week of Otaku's Anonymous. We've been Nick and...

Danny, we're going to get filming on that split fiction video this week. We'll have Stank edited up, and then you Patreon members will have additional content to dive into. Anything you want to say to anybody before we go here, Dan? uh zatch bell is a sleeper hit totally agree music um yeah cool good stuff all right guys bye bye