Tye Eastham 12-7-23

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And welcome everyone to another episode of Orlando Magic Pod Squad. Dante Marcatelli, Jeff Turner, David Steele, George Galatee, and oh, we're gonna have some fun here with this one. Joining us on this edition is Ty Eastam. He is the producer for all Magic telecasts on Bally Sports Florida, the vice president of broadcasting for the Orlando Magic and we thought would have some fun peel back the curtain a little bit on what it takes to put a broadcast

To do, Tie, is it? I would imagine it's.

It's similar to being like a kindergarten teacher.

I think, yes, I would imagine.

Is this yeah, this night where we're going? Okay?

Is this?

Is this a nightmare for a producer to have a day off and have to see all of us again right away?

It's like, let's just start talking about tomorrow.

Yeah, let's do it. We'll get on our meeting meeting.

That should be what it is. It should be the production meeting right now now that don't hit a good podcast, that would be well, we could do that.

We could have a little, a little little production meeting at the end. We might have a reveal on this podcast, by the way, so you definitely want to stay tuned for that, right, We might have a little little reveal at the end, and technically tie all all five of us are on the broadcast every night, right, the three of us and then George. If the official makes a bad call.

That squeaky voice you here through the headsets. I know I'm always I'm always too loud.

When Dante looks over me and he goes, hey, settle down.

You can enter George every home game right behind David and JT.

But my question is do the rest know that they don't know it's you?

Now.

I feel like I've masked it.

I have.

I have a pretty good routine. I like to you know, if.

I've seen it.

I like the shouts.

It's just this, by the way, it's just this, that's all.

Yeah, we'll look to act like I'm looking off to the side.

I do one of those like I'm not paying attention to the game at all, Like like one of those Joel things.

I should get the COVID mask back on. Though COVID mask.

For that certainly helped you. Well, Ty, give us a little insight for everybody listening to Magic fans and all that kind of the day to day what it takes to to kind of put a television broadcast on it. We'll get a little bit into your background and stuff like that, tell some fun stories of a young David Steele and Jeff Turner, But what kind of the day to day on what you're responsible for now?

Well, like today, you know, we're the day before a game tomorrow, you know, so I'll sit down here soon and try to map out what we're going to talk about in our pregame show with you guys, and then what we're going to do in our open before the tip, and just some of the sponsored elements throughout the game. You know, what those graphics, sir, video might look like. Figure out what Dante's moment's going to be with you, and then we'll have a meeting tomorrow after a shoot around.

You do it.

But gotchaate, So I got to play for the findouts anymore, right exactly.

We'll find out.

What is this anything is tomorrow and then we'll we'll so we'll meet that and then I get to the truck around twelve o'clock. Who gets around twelve thirty and uh, and I, you know, print out all the rundowns for everybody and they they start building the graphics and building the uh, all the video and everything like that to get us ready for the game that night.

Now, would you can describe what it's like in the truck during a game? What what is like controlled chaos? Uncontrolled? Yeah, it's controlled chaos.

I mean, you know it.

It's uh, if things are going well, it's it's a pretty smooth operation. We've all done it so much that it's I know, if somebody on the outside coming in looks at it and go, oh my gosh, you know all these monitors, all the you know, everything going on, it's it's crazy. But after you've done it, you you know where everything is, you know what what's going on, and it's it's it's not that it's not that crazy to me,

Ah, it gets a little more amped up.

Is the craziest time, though, time when David Steel's monitor goes out at the desk, you know, and and he starts yelling on his talk back. I mean, is that is that the really the hardest for you? It pretty much is that's when my iire gets up. I'm like, oh my gosh, the monitors out. Yeah, we have good audio.

That's pretty good impression.

It's like, uh, well, you know, the thing is is when you've got an obstructed juice to begin with, which is what we're gonna Yes, I try.

Coming out and calling the game like this.

It's a jealousy.

It's you know, but but the bigger challenge is I can literally not do anything other than rely on someone else to do something. So I can, like, you know, and and I'm on headsets and I'm we're yelling at people, hey, get this fixed, blah blah blah, but we have no idea what they're physically doing. All we can say is we're working on it. We're working on it. So I'm like, you know, meanwhile, the game's going on, so I got to you know, focus on that.

But you know, luckily we did get your monitor backed last night.

Yes we did, after forty five minutes. It was quick, I'd realize that. Yeah, yeah, no, I think.

Those are frustrating things for me.

Those are pretty sands for me as well. Fans, you know, if we do it right, fans have no idea that that there's crazy things going on. And in Mexico City, I was not there, but Jeff and Dante had just an insane situation and tie you too in that situation. I mean, it was a challenging night for everybody. But but I you know, I was at home and I watched the game, and as I told all you guys afterwards, I couldn't tell that you guys were having all those problems.

Experience of my career. It was really, really a bad one. I think that's fair. I think that we would probably second that. It takes a lot to get JT worked up.

But he took his headset off and said, I've never been a part of anything like that in my life.

I saw JT on the soup cam throw his headset.

That's exactly right, that's exactly what I'm gonna say.

I was sitting next to those guys and as soon as Dante goes good night everybody, both of them just took their headsets off, swammed them on the.

Table, looked at the guy next to him. I was like, that was the worst thing we've ever done.

First, we had a I had a former director a while agoes when someone would go bad and we'd be like, got at.

Home, don't know?

So yeah, yeah, an auto at home, don't know. Then it's all right, Yeah, I know it's funny. You know what's funny is the A two in Mexico City. There's a language barrier. So the audio people in Mexico City gave me the same look as the audio people in Charlotte's For some reason. There's certain cities you go to where you know you're going to have trouble. But I think what would be interesting, guys, wouldn't it?

Uh?

You know, Ty, you used to be with the team, used to travel with the team and go to every city, and you know, the everybody's seeing the big television trucks that are out in front of these big arenas, and you do that at home, but that truck, you're no longer with us on the road. Kind of the way technology has evolved, and that kind of lends to what

So the industry it's called cloud control now. And there's still a truck.

There's a truck at the arena, at the venue, so like last night, where were you last night?

Cleveland? Cleveland last night? So there's a.

Truck outside still and our director is there. We still have our technical director, all our cameras, the same crew that would normally be there, but myself, our editor, our graphics operator, and our score bug operator all stay back in Orlando and we work out of a room called the Cloud Control Room, and basically we're just watching everything on monitors and our graphics operator Derek and Nate, our editor, they can control their machines through basically an Internet connection,

So it's a different way to do it, you know.

So it's literally when David's monitor goes out, I cannot do anything from our landown other than tell somebody. But but it's actually, you know, when it first started, before last season, I was a little skeptical of it, you know, I you know, one I didn't you know, I like being on the road with you guys as far as you know, we come up with ideas and the dinners and things like that. We really, you know, we talked magic basketball all the time and you know, a lot

It wasn't midnight. There wasn't midnight midnight. You know, not good. I wasn't in Cleveland the night before.

That's true.

That's what you didn't get.

You didn't get Mabel's barbecue.

So that's right.

The downside, that's what I miss. I missed the food and I missed the company.

Well we miss it, Pi, we do. He does.

PI Isny is a he's a triple D guy. He's a diner, dives and drive ins, dying and needs time. Sir. Yeah, he's a foodie. And we've found Mabels in Cleveland because of time they'd read about it. So do you miss that part of it time do you just just the restaurants and different dining dining coordinator we missed for sure, and.

I don't miss I don't.

I kind of don't miss the pressure you don't eat.

It's always a lot of pressure.

But for those that don't know, David's tie comes up with the venue and David's got to get us there. So that's kind of the arrangement, right, there's a pressure on both.

Of you guys.

It's hard. Listen, it's hard for us to go get dinner.

Now when David and time trip, I don't I don't even know how we go eat start.

But luckily, luckily we've established our places in different cities, so we've now we know, oh, preachers that place.

Yeah.

So so those triple D spots that we like in certain cities we tend to go back to, like like Mayboles and stuff. Oh, the Mabels is in a triple D spot.

It's a chef Eric's.

Michael Simon's restaurant, you know, celebrity Shyes, there you go. This is barbecue place, very good, very good.

Just so you know, lead dive.

These guys have had nothing but oatmeal and grilled cheese. Sandwiches.

One more peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Good God, do I think that?

Oh?

Go ahead?

So when was the first I was in the truck for the first time? When I was an intern, I I didn't even know what the truck was. I got sent out there to do something for for an NBC national game. I had to do stats, but you had to do it from the truck. And I had no experience of what the truck was, who was in the truck,

My eyes were just like boulding out of my head. It was so intense. People were cursing at each other.

It was it was why what, what was your first experience in a TV truck?

Like, how did that come about? Well, after my.

Junior year of college, I read to tell him where to go ahead, go ahead, just kidd of course it was Indiana University, the mess college in the land. So after college or after my junior year at Indiana, I did an internship at then Sunshine Network, and it was it was during the summer.

You know, it's for of course credit also.

But I knew I I kind of knew about Sunshine Network. I kind of started to know about these uh sports networks a little bit and I was interested in it.

So I interned with them.

And it was during the summer, so they didn't have a lot of things going on, a lot of events going on. They did Orlando Predators football, They did the Florida Georgia High School All Star game that was at over at the Citrus Bowl then, and I believe that might have been my first experience was in the truck for that Florida Georgia High School game, or it might

I was like, this is you know, this is this is great.

And you know, I will say thirty years ago, the industry was a lot different. There was a lot more cursing and yelling at people in the trucks back then, but nowadays it's a little more hr friendly.

I would say, you.

Know, David has been a good evolution. I would think all those early days.

Yeah, yeah, Tye is he's great.

You know, I've been sitting here thinking what probably fans don't understand is that the producer of a game is like another broadcaster.

Yeah.

I mean he really is, because he's uh, he's in the truck like you said, or in the cloud whatever wherever you are.

Now. I still don't understand how that works.

But you're in you know, you're in our ear and we've talked with ty about what we're doing, you know, throughout the day, and so we're all on the same page.

And it's like having.

An announcer who's not on air that is part of the broadcast team.

And Tie is that's what a.

Good producer is, and that's what a really good producer does.

And Tie is he's the best.

He's right there with us and helps us figure out the topics and how we're going to present ideas that we have. So yeah, he's he's top notch. Come a long way from those early days, that's for sure.

Still got me going early on, said this is what we should do in and open, this is what we should do here, and I started to grasp it started.

Along the way.

You know what's interesting. I remember walking out of a game on the road. Sometimes Brian Hill and I will travel to do the pregame show, and I remember walking walking to the bus with Brian. This was early in his broadcasting career. And he looks at me and he goes, you know, because there was some I forget where Rhoda was. There's some interesting people in TV time. There are some very interesting people behind the scenes in those television trucks

Arthur, Well, ty ty ty, tell me if I'm wrong time, and I think we've talked about this. You at one point you thought you wanted to be an on air play by play or sportscaster, right or earlier, maybe in college or prior to that.

No, No, I don't know what you got that one I wanted to do that.

I knew I was behind the camera.

That was Al Michaels. That's when you talked to Al Michaels. Yeah, I guess.

So let's got an al mixed up.

Maybe I took some classes, you know, obviously I took a lot of production classes in college.

And that there are some tapes of me on camera, and oh, i'd love.

To see that.

Now you're not going to see that.

That'd probably be better than us producing though, I'll tell you that. But yeah, but what But there's some interesting characters and what made you right and what made you get into that? That's what you right. When you got in early is when you knew this is what you wanted to do. Did It's not something you always knew.

You wanted to do.

No, you know, I went to Indiana. You know, I grew up here in Florida. I went to Lake Holle High School.

Drop another one there, But I I grew up in Indiana until I was thirteen, and I always wanted to go to IU. And so after I got to from high school, I went back to Indiana, went went to college there.

I was going to go to business. I really wanted to.

Get into advertising, and because I like to be creative, I liked you know, I watched a lot of TV as a kid. I watched you know, obviously commercials and things like that, probably too much, but so I wanted to get into advertising. And I was you know, Indiana has a good business school, So I was going to go there for business and I figured I'd learned marketing

How do I do this?

Then and there then they directed me to telecommunications, which is radio and television department.

I knew nothing about it, so.

I started reading there you know, syllabus and reading about the classes like, okay, cool. So I took a class that was kind of an introductory class about television and cable television, history of television, all this.

Kind of stuff.

And I took it and I loved it. And from from that point on, I decided I'm going to go into you know, radio television. You know, track and then go into advertising, and they had advertising classes in there, so I did that, but then I also took production classes, you know, while I was doing that as well, because

So and the advertising.

Side I learned was very competitive as well in Chicago and the big you know, the the glorified advertising executives that's you know those pitch meetings and things like that you see on TV.

It's hard to get to so hode.

So yeah, so so yeah, so once I once I did the production classes and everything and got in in into all the editing and the camera work and all that kind of stuff, I was I was voting and that's when I when I knew I wanted to work in this business.

Yeah, so, Ty, where was your favorite class at I do you know? I mean, you gotta gotta tell that story, come on.

Yeah, my favorite class was coaching Basketball by Bob Knight.

Ah so yeah, that it's an actual class that they taught and it taught everybody how to coach.

Well, he taught, he taught. It was an eight week course that he taught at Assembly.

Hall in a room and you go in a room and.

He would lecture for an hour, walk up and down the aisle, lecturing, and it was mostly I mean, he would tell you from the beginning that it was a it was the only people that were in there should be education majors, because he was he was trying to teach people how to coach basketball at like a high school and and be a teacher as well, and kind of manage your time and all that kind of stuff.

Time and things like that.

And then afterwards then you would go out to the lab, which was to go out to the actual court at Assembly Hall, and the assistant coaches would run you through drills and teach you all these different drills that you would you know, that you should use as a high school coach and stuff. So that course went on for like eight weeks, uh, and it was it was awesome.

It was great.

And uh, you know, he would bring in you know, he's got a lot you know, JT. You know, he's got a lot of friends that are just you know, through this industry, and so, you know, so he would have friends stop by just to see him, and he would bring him in to the lecture and have them talk to us. Like one day Dick shapp talked to us for an hour, gave us, you know, a little lecture. Was it was great, you know, so definitely my favorite class.

That must have been.

I would think a lot of students that I wanted to take that class. Yeah, you know, I had to have been. And I don't remember.

I remember trying to get in, and actually myself and my roommate got into it, so we took the class together. So I don't know, I don't remember it being difficult to get in. It had to have been to get in, but somehow I got lucky, we got it. So because it's only an eight week course and he only teaches it for what eight weeks during this during the year, so we took our senior year.

We were able to get in. That's great.

Well they were there for some good who your teams too, I imagine, right, so that that experience could have only helped, right, So getting to getting to be around that entire experience.

From a ballot, yeah, standpoint.

Yeah, we went to a final four. Iieve it was my uh sophomore year, you know, Calvert Channing, Red Calbert Cheney, it was my neighbor my junior year.

We had Yeah, we had some some great guys.

So well to take us take us back to so now you're you're out of college, you're here, you're trying to get into this TV industry, and now you've got a team that burst onto the scene. Right, You've got an expansion team down here in central Florida. There's a huge buzz in town. I've only seen the videos, but I see Maddy Gucas with this giant olive garden pin on him. Right, Like, take us back to some take

Yeah.

So, I mean I I came, you know, I was in I was in.

Sorry.

I graduated from high school in nineteen eighty nine.

That was the year the Magic came along, and so I immediately went, you know, to IU and the team started year. So I didn't really have much I wasn't around the city or that much during the early years other than just every once in a while seeing them on TV and stuff.

And when I would come.

Back, I would try to get tickets and come to a game.

But then after you know, after I graduated, moved back, you know, I immediately started working in the in arena in the dumbotrot room, and that was like you know, so that was nineteen ninety three, and yeah, I mean it was it was just a different time. I mean, you know that, you know, when I started, that's when things were really good, all right, right, teams, So with Shaq and you know, Penny was my first year and everything.

And things like that.

Got to know, you know, Shaq and Nick and Penny and those guys, and you know even the you know, Anthony Bowie's of the world and Donald Royle's and every once in a while we did talk to j T and stuff.

But uh, but yeah, but no, it was.

Ty.

So when when you guys are having production meetings, there's a lot of there's a lot of cooks in the room. How do you manage everybody's ideas, including your own ideas and Greg Vartung's ideas, and how do you manage what is going to make it into the broadcast that night.

Well, ultimately it's it's you know people, Yeah, someone has an idea. It's it's a matter of how are we going to present the idea, you know, video wise, graphically, how is it going to look? And if we can make it look good and they want to talk about it, then that's what you know, that's what we'll do. So there there are sometimes there's ideas you're like, well, I

Nique group, we're a gig group.

So if somebody has an idea, you know, it's usually pretty good and we're usually able to figure out the best way to present it, and that it's it's mostly just a conversation of of how we're going to do it. It's rare that you know there's something. You know, somebody comes up with something and we're like, no, that's that's so good.

It's usually Dante's idea where you go now.

You're very good.

Well yeah, but I started I start talking. Everybody's zipping up their bags right as soon as hey, what do you guys think about? Okay, well, time to go, time to go.

Thing.

It's like, can we get this and this and this and this. I'm like Dante, there's only like so many hours of the day.

I can't do that.

Well, we got one hundred and twenty sponsors to get into.

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Is that.

Let's get a word from Florida Lottery. When I'm in the truck, those are my favorite. I when I when I know, when.

I get your tie, say all right, roll out for whoever steak and shake, roll roll out for Florida Lottery.

I put somebody my favorites.

Yeah, gotta tew right tag you gotta fail again, tyd, How would you explain for everybody?

Give us an example of is this anything?

So we go through our meeting, We've got it all laid out and you always save it for the end, all right, David, what you got for is this anything?

So?

How is it?

Let everybody know how it's presented to us, and how we alt ultimately.

Land on is this anything?

Every night, well, usually David, he'll start out with, well, I was wondering, right, and she says on, I mean truthfully that what he says on the air is not too much different than what's in the meat.

That's a good point.

Well, I was.

Wondering, and he explains it, you know. But and then he'll lay something out and we'll go, yeah, okay, but right then I got something, but I got something else blah blah blah, you know, and then then we're like yeah, but then there's this other thing.

And so usually two or three get he saves the best.

One for last money knows we're gonna use, you know, but you know, sometimes there's like, well this one we could use you know later, you know, you know, when we play Cleveland next week, or you know, let's wait until you know, we'll see how this plays out.

For a little bit longer, and and everything like that.

So you try to say too much sets me up.

He doesn't want to say much because he doesn't want to tip whether he's whether it's going to be a bell or a buzzer, And I don't want to totally give away who's deciding that, but let's just say he saw this podcast.

But the thing is, hold on.

Oh so do we happy?

Are we making our big reveal here? Is this our big reveal? Are you saying Ty Eastam is responsible for the bell or buzzer?

Possibly?

Possibly?

But is that from what I hear there? There's uh sometimes a boat goes on in the truck?

Is that right, Ty? Yeah, it's not.

It's not totally on me. I mean, I'll I'll take a poll sometimes in the truck and say what do you think?

You know? What do you guys think? You know?

You don't have a lot of supporters in the truck. So the times we're overruled a little bit hard on that's final? Say top tie is the final word I used the truck.

Yeah, I just make let's just let's just get this out of the way, guys real quick. For for me, for David's is this eighth on Twitter? And all that tie is the truck? Right?

JT doesn't have a buzzer under the tape. JT's not out to get David right now.

I wait in and I'm sure time maybe think about maybe what I say, probably not, probably trips some of it.

Sometimes I'm relying on JT to help me. Right, has JT ever swayed you tie? Has your decision been made? And then all of a sudden, JT makes an argument on the air and you go, oh, that's not that's not a bad point.

I've never been swayed from a bell to a buzzer or vice versa.

You like, when I've been what I've been on the fence, that's when it's like, I don't know.

And then then I got a.

Buzzer to a bell, a buzzer to a bell, yes, but not a bell to a buzzer, right, just get that.

Let's lay it out there.

Wait.

JT gets very sensitive when well you got this is.

This is George.

People will walk up to me and you know, and it's like bell or buzzer tonight it's a buzzer. Oh wait to go, JT.

You know, I mean, but no credits for the ballast. David gets all the credit. David gets the credit for the bells.

Yeah, my favorite is like David in the meet or even like when we look at elements, I show them elements before, you know, before the game, so they can see everything we've built, and he can see his graphic before we go on the air and everything, you know, in the meeting and then and the grat you know, where we're doing it. You know, it's nothing. He's like, he's saying, it's nothing, you know, and I'm like, don okay. Yeah. Then when he gets on the air, it's like, oh,

That sale it you gotta sell.

And he tries to reel be in like it's you know, it's not anything. But then you know, then he starts to make me feel bad, like you know, yeah, but you know when both ways because in the meeting, you'll you'll you'll give me the old.

Oh yeah yeah that yeah, let's let's go with that.

I like that one.

And then you know, I sell it hard and then rope that.

It's interesting this like a lot of times time we don't know, like David has all this other information he doesn't reveal right at leading everything. So oh yeah, there's a little bit of a surprise for us.

You know, we weren't where there's a there's a game within within the game that comes on.

Really, I will I will say though he's he's got a lot of bells this year.

Yes, it's yeah, Well there's a lot of material, good material out with.

Yeah, I do. I love a good buzzer.

What's the impetus? That's the what's the impetus for a buzzer? Before he even finishes speaking, when do you decide?

Just decid?

Well, we've done that a couple of times that day.

Those are fun. Those are fun.

Those are fun.

But you know what, David, you did this what says it's seven years to seven or eight years ago. Seventh year we started just because of what we're all talking about, entertained ourselves because the team was not waiting, you know, not waiting many games.

So you know, we we came up with this idea collectively to do something fun because I'm always at meetings, production meeting throwing out, you know, crazy things that I've found in my research. So we just decided to put that in the show every night. And here we are seven years later, and I can't get rid of.

It because because you know, it's not just basketball things where that pops up, like we'll be at dinner talking about something and you'll throw something out there and go, is that anything like like that's we had become part of the vernacular.

Yeah, well, this is certainly a lot more fun when you're winning. I guess, ty, I guess as we close this thing out, like, what would your advice be. There's a lot of people that are trying to break into this industry, and you know, there's opportunities behind the scenes.

I think that maybe people.

Aren't aware of you know, you don't know that everyone can can get to kind of where you're at. But what would your advice be two people that are kind of coming into this industry and then what you've seen. I mean, we're we're we're a close knit group.

We really are.

It's kind of like family through the course of a season, all the time we spend together. I know that helps, right, you have good chemistry with the people you work with. But maybe maybe some some advice for people trying to get in.

Yeah, I mean, I obviously it's been the same thing for me and for years it's like just if you can get in, just work hard and just try to learn as much as you can and show that you you know that you're valuable, that you can be of value, you know, you know, just whether it's you know editing or you know, taking the initiative to edit your own stuff and things like that.

I mean to in today's world with technology.

You know, it used to be when I started, if I wanted to edit something, I had to go go to a room that had you know, a million dollars worth of equipment, you know, expensive equipment to edit with. Now you can edit on your laptop. Any any any college student can get one hundred dollars or whatever it can get editing equipment on their laptop.

And and just.

Just start editing stuff.

You know, you can get stuff off the YouTube, off the internet, you can and make videos and things like that and just show that you can tell stories and things like that. So it's a lot easier to show, you know, what you can do or to practice and be creative than it used to be. So that's what I would tell somebody that wants to get in the industry, is like, like, use the technology that that's out there that anybody can get to and show. I mean, people

And then, you know.

Just make sure your research. You know the the industry and know where where the internships are and where the opportunities might be. But don't be afraid to you know. You know a lot of times, you know, people are like, well, I'm not getting.

Paid for this or whatever.

You got to just pay your dues and just get out there and work. And you know, that's how That's how it worked for me. So I had no idea about I had no idea about sports television until I took a class in college and I had to do a paper. I was a sports television class, so I had to do a paper on something to do with sports television. So I reached out to the people at Sunshine Network and asked them, like, you know, can you send me some info? And they sent me a whole

And then I was like, hey, you guys have the internships and they're like, well, we haven't before, but we're going to start this year. So I was actually Sunshine networks first intern just because I reached out to them and ask them about it.

Oh so yeah, so that's just you.

Just gotta's got to do the work, be proactive. I think your advice is good pretty much in any profession. Everything you said is true, George, I'm sure in your world. And you know, I talked to a lot of young broadcasters and tell them that too. You know, they've got so many opportunities now that we didn't have with the Internet to get experience or at least get a tape or I don't even know. You don't even call it

Like you said, Ty, that's great advice. Yeah.

Well thanks for joining us, Ty.

We figured once we got our third interview with Peg from Finance that it was time to have tie on.

You know, it's not that's way overdue, way overdue.

With thirty we don't work with you for thirty years and we've never had John, So this was great to finally great to finally catch up with you.

This is this isn't your first podcast. I thought it was the first guest. Oh yeah, you guys have been doing it a wife.

Thanks for you.

Aren't you in charge of us? You oversee?

Well, let's see if we can't.

Work in one more dinner at Cattleman's or something before this is all, before this season is all said and done, right, or you're you're not missing this road at all type, You're not missing being on the road at all.

Only the food and the company.

All right, Thanks so much, Ty. That'll do it for this edition of Magic Pod Squad. We'll see you next time.