Open The Voice Gate - Kobe World 2025 Preview with Jae

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like him and Bahu feel like to be like the two out of like that realm that are still kind of going. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess sometimes I see Irving of like the Alchipan fans I ever get what it was called. [SPEAKER_01]: I see him at my timeline occasionally, but as always it's a fun J. episode. [SPEAKER_01]: We talk a little bit about the July third quirk and before getting into a big Kobe world of preview and that's pretty much the lion's share of the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: A bit of a programming note before we get into the talk with Jay. [SPEAKER_01]: So this is coming out on a Monday and that that should be it for our little bit of abbreviated early July late June. [SPEAKER_01]: Break will be back normal time next week. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, clearly after Kobe World to give our Kobe World a twenty twenty five review show and by that time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll have more of an indication on when the next those days will come up, but expect us back to a normal schedule pretty much starting from the next episode, but I've paddled on far too long. [SPEAKER_01]: Let me pitch it back to me and our conversation with Jay. [SPEAKER_01]: Hope everyone has a nice week and enjoy Kobe world coming up on Sunday. [SPEAKER_01]: Take care, everyone. [SPEAKER_01]: It is Kobe World Pro Wrestling Festival season.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as we are, this is our last show before Kobe World, we have the official English voice of Dragon Gate, Jay Church joining us for. [SPEAKER_01]: What's kind of become the traditional preview, Jay? [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, thanks for coming board again. [SPEAKER_03]: No, happy to be here. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you guys again? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very hot.

[SPEAKER_03]: very hot in the pan right now, but I assume that's kind of the same for you guys. [SPEAKER_01]: We've actually because of a weather event, it was for the fourth in Texas was only like EV, when I was at my father-in-law's ranch, but we've had an insane amount of rain. [SPEAKER_01]: only. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there was like a really bad flooding event in Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, unfortunately down and actually closer to where Joe lands of the flagship lives than Dallas for at worth. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's the Texas Hill country. [SPEAKER_01]: The rain just came through over the last few days and the Guadalupe River went up twenty three feet. [SPEAKER_03]: So if you want good, you have to go and reach that as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's real sad. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, sorry about that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's earlier than usual this year. [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't it feel like it's earlier than usual? [SPEAKER_03]: Or old season? [SPEAKER_01]: I thought so. [SPEAKER_01]: In a case, and I were talking about it over the few weeks, like it feels like traditionally Kobe world just in my head, like the window of it's usually the fifteenth through the twenty-third, like it's usually like the twenty-th twenty-first or twenty-second, but this year it's a full week early it feels like.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then I was thinking last night, I was like, oh, you know, I kind of like twenty twenty three when they had world and then a cork and July, and that might be my preferred motive scheduling, but it does. [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely snuck up on me last week. [SPEAKER_00]: There was like, oh, that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: World is next week. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's exactly it. [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that it's both tuned after the July cork and what is what's growing me.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go ahead. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was going to say so that cork in was on Thursday. [SPEAKER_01]: Just for just in case there was anything that breaks a recording this on this six. [SPEAKER_01]: It did kind of feel like at least for a case I really haven't talked too much about the show since it happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: uh, everything was kind of already set up going into this show by enlarge and I I was very excited about Shinskay Walker and how Mara and especially seeing how home home and how how Mara was going to progress against your motto in the main event, but there's a little bit of a feeling of well we had an extra an extra cork and before a Kobe world, but we've already finished our project. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I could agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they did really well and kind of have every match be a girmish for something.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely a show that I think has been incredibly well built, you know, outside of the two or three week long shoe and distraction where we weren't really sure what was going to happen there, which, which isn't anybody's fault, but that definitely turns them into a patient that I had some excitement that I had in an nervous energy, but shoes back and that seems to be, that seems to be going okay. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you call it? [SPEAKER_03]: It's all the injury wasn't real. [SPEAKER_00]: See, that's that's incredible to me because that got me, you know, especially I don't think I got all of it. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we all get work.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, ah, you know, you know, you know, that he shows up at the New Japan show with the [SPEAKER_00]: The stipulation that he's talked about, and I want to get into that just to for the sake of clarification of the if soon loses, you know, he's going to leave drank stipulation, but there was just this two week period of the the injury that wasn't the injury and then him showing up on the new Japan show with I think some people still not entirely sure what.

[SPEAKER_00]: The reality of that stipulation is where it's like, oh my god, are we are we about to enter a shoe sky walk or less universe, but if you if you take away the nerves of the dream gate build, I do think that matches the biggest match you can book and I'm quite excited for that and I think the result there is interesting and then it's a twin gate match that is fresh. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a triangle gate match that I think has a very high ceiling.

[SPEAKER_00]: if they're able to deliver to the degree that I hope they are. [SPEAKER_00]: And then a brave gate match, which is the best built brave gate match since Daya and Hill last year, in one that feels really, really exciting for me. [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I have an issue with the undercard. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not exactly thrilled about the five way guy or a match.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little bomb that Mochazuki and Kaze specifically are spinning their Kobe world doing that, but [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, then there's strong machine J. Kucuta, which I think has been accidentally built. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's, there's a lot to like on on Kobe world. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this cork and I was telling Mike before we started recording, remind me of an A.W. [SPEAKER_00]: paperview build where let's say there's seven weeks in between paperviews.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've got an amazing six week build. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they really nail it. [SPEAKER_00]: And then they happen to have another week of TV. [SPEAKER_00]: And this cork and felt like that other week of TV. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, I mean, this fair, definitely fair.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I thought it did a pretty good job of, you know, giving kind of preview, giving preview for everything, like you mentioned, all of the title matches, like all the championship matches on this card are the best possible challengers you could have for a Kobe World card, you know, given in the current, you know, in the current climate. [SPEAKER_03]: So I agree with you with all that. [SPEAKER_03]: I love the championship. [SPEAKER_03]: That's in for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's exciting to see, you know, I think like the love and peace stuff has been fascinating that we haven't talked about that. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the last time we talked was in May when we were, we were like, maybe there's not a place for natural vibes anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: Then Flavita came in and it was like, oh, no, there's a place for natural vibes. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was, you know, right before the coco to turn.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then this love and peace thing that I think is fascinating. [SPEAKER_00]: I just to [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not not to jump all around and go out of order here, but I'm continuously fascinated by the fact that gold class seem to have finally found the five members that worked for them and seemed to have had some momentum and then they changed the unit branding. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I'm okay with that. [SPEAKER_00]: I like the way they look.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't love the name, but I do love the colors, even if I wish common and retail would get some new gear. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's all in all when I take stock of where this promotion is and I think about [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the last few podcasts we've done with you at the beginning of July, I'm very happy with this Kobe World Build, all things considered. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've been kind of going back through a lot of my archive on things, kind of put them in order and organize things. [SPEAKER_03]: better so I had easier access on to like my my memo's and stuff on making commentary notes and I went through you know basically everything since I started commentary so what after final gate in nineteen yes and like twenty twenty one twenty twenty two or two dire comparison you know especially twenty two yeah yeah [SPEAKER_02]: for sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot a lot to look forward to. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you guys want to start with Corriga? [SPEAKER_03]: Do you mentioned that you wanted to talk about the Corrigan Chilper or... Yeah, Mike, run down the Corrigan card real quick if you don't mind. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this was the aggressive gate from Thursday, uh, announced, ten, sixty, six attendance, uh, Rioia and Montet, team up, uh, an affiliated versus UT and Fulmita, all strong brave gate build.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that, are we now calling like the two crossevers, just crossever in general or is it always a crossever combo? [SPEAKER_01]: It's become one of my favorite closing sequences is to not go with that. [SPEAKER_01]: The lift up and drop and then roll through pick up up and hit the thing [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just like now that it feels like one full kind of like multiple impact to move like sequence.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, all right, like this, it does kind of feel like for Tanaka, everything is kind of together. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not doing the survive total world school boy as much like it feels like he has like that closing finish.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as y'all were saying, UT and Tanaka have been really been [SPEAKER_01]: a highlight of the, of the build to Kobe World so far and that the chemistry of those two guys is really going to be a fun opportunity to display at Kenan Hall on the third team. [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the opener. [SPEAKER_01]: Dragon Bane and Alpha Wolf, the Gold Podora, is where came out, fortunately, Alpha Wolf is doing much better. [SPEAKER_01]: They're doing a match at the next core again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Veteran and rookie ten man tag Fuji got the one over to Kashi Rita and Ben Dito Rita got the one and Ben Dito with it with a really like that I had to go back and rewind it and watch it a couple of times the way that Rita went off the top ropes with his finish that he had on Ben Dito here and felt like it was somewhat of a oh

[SPEAKER_01]: Rita now has like a big move now that's able to put down someone of the size of Ben Tito that's going to really play into the triangle gate match coming up at world. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we had Asim J and KZ go to a no contest with Kakudah in Kai. [SPEAKER_01]: Probably my favorite few going into world is a star machine J and Kakudah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's been great saying them. [SPEAKER_01]: Just lose complete control going up to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Zebrats versus love and peace. [SPEAKER_01]: Bin K on Menorah getting the win. [SPEAKER_01]: Kazuma Kamora is making his debut on that August cork in. [SPEAKER_01]: Decorate versus not hug. [SPEAKER_01]: It was Dragoncate of the Doble on Yoshioka. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the main of it, which I kind of wanted to take some time with a little bit Jay just because how much at least on voice gay between case and I, we have

[SPEAKER_01]: really been enjoying how this Hamari in the first half of the twenty twenty five storyline goes from being like kind of a Kobe sambal hall based like push for him through Ray Day per a house he gets a larger tournament and brave gate and going up to the last that our life we talked about that with you in May and now less than a year into his career this guy is a headlighting a

[SPEAKER_01]: Corquant Hall shows that it's a real remarkable, uh, twelve month period for Hamari since he's just debuted. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just find him absolutely fascinating. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man, they're behind him and he's not part of, you know, he's not perfect in it by by any means, but for, you know, nine, nine months, nine months into his career. [SPEAKER_03]: This gives us as good as [SPEAKER_03]: Even if you can be for nine months into your career.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're covering up quite well, you know, by having a vehicle and having them kind of be like this little bit like we the falling and you know, running and hiding behind behind the other guys and getting out of the way. [SPEAKER_03]: It does quite a bit to cover up some of his weaknesses while he, you know, while he worked on them. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, there's not so the arm up so [SPEAKER_03]: was really, really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just like with him, like I think the other really smart thing starting him off heel, like letting him kind of pick and choose and grove and by hiding kind of the things that he needs to kind of work on being a heel. [SPEAKER_01]: You're already like I really notice it in San Bo Hall, but it's kind of pulling over the Tokyo as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's getting a good amount of crowd calls, like to the point that whenever like the this period is done and they're ready to [SPEAKER_01]: turn the the turn the page and turn him face it feels like that he would be off to the races if he's able to kind of maintain this level of support that he already has nine months in and fully yeah I mean it's gonna be it's already hard to keep him heal because of how popular he is I think his number he was number one in the portrait

[SPEAKER_03]: the portrait ranking, if I could climb the most recent set. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he dropped her third because the U.D. [SPEAKER_03]: fans wouldn't know. [SPEAKER_03]: And rallied him from out of the top ten to number one. [SPEAKER_03]: And somehow, most of the junior also jumped ahead of him. [SPEAKER_03]: Most of the junior wasn't in the top ten in the previous one either.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jay, what do you think it is about tomorrow that that has allowed him not only to receive the push from the beginning of his career, but to to stay relevant, you know, something that we talked about a lot on this show is there's no better promotion at day viewing wrestlers than Drang eat the first chapter of a lot of these guys careers is absolutely incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: It's once the Luster wears off of, hey, we've got a new Drang eat wrestler.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's when [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they tend to struggle, you know, I think we're at that point with Sahara right now. [SPEAKER_00]: I know it was hurt, but it's like, all right, I'm I'm going to be anxiously anticipating to see what Sahara can do now. [SPEAKER_00]: Post rate A per a house and teaming with coaches who can't things like that, but with Humara. [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like everything they throw at him, he's able to succeed.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was doing the trios matches where he was really hit in and he did well on those. [SPEAKER_00]: And then Ray Day Prayos happens that he has a middling tournament until that final night. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's this star making performance. [SPEAKER_00]: And now we're seeing him headline, cork and haul on singles matches. [SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen a lot of people debut in my life. [SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot of people debut in Drangate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I've seen this entirely. [SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me a little bit of S.B. [SPEAKER_00]: Kento, which, you know, I say that complimentary because it was Kento when he was in Drangate, but Homari feels even different and like almost like a safer bet than that. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like far. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: He's much better than S.B. [SPEAKER_03]: K. was. [SPEAKER_03]: At that time, you know, my home RA really hasn't walked yet.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about that, but yeah, home RA doesn't feel like the push isn't as overbearing as if the case was. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that helps a lot. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the closest comparison might be like the Hulk, be the Hulk. [SPEAKER_03]: But that's twenty years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, but I couldn't, I can see that. [SPEAKER_00]: Is there [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to phrase this question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is this a deal where Hommari is legitimately under shunes wing and that on a show when show out basis? [SPEAKER_00]: He's his go to mentor a shunes guy walker. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you happen to know that? [SPEAKER_02]: Probably not. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody goes to show them for that. [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, he's got a lot of, you know, he's got a lot of support inside.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's got their Kai, their ASC, their Lee, you know, he can learn from example, Kai by how he's in the development character over the last year. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we joke about, you know, well, G-breath is not a nurturing environment for a child to be in, you know, it's like, you know, can't really put you, you shouldn't raise a thousand or crack out. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's a lot of experience, a lot of people that can help him out in the breath.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it doesn't help. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, doesn't hurt that he is also that good. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it's not like, well, he's good looking or like FB and that, you know, he's got a lot of sponsors and he's bring a lot of money into, we have to push him sort of thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, like he, you know, he's going to just just wait until he turns.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's going to be this year, like it could be a long way off, but when he turns, it's probably going to be a really big deal. [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to surprise a lot of people. [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: What I just exactly what you can do is you haven't seen what you can do yet. [SPEAKER_01]: And we feel like seeing now like, especially going through the sombo hallwork that he's done.

[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like that we get glimpses of, okay, this is what he could be as a face or like, especially like seeing the work that he had against Kameh in the Brave Gate tournament year.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're just going like, well, you put him in the ring with [SPEAKER_01]: perhaps one of the the the best entering wrestlers in the company and he's already able to put out this kind of output as a pure rookie and it really does kind of it will when we do at least voices wrestling doing things like the thirty under thirty project when you like look at how he is at least within the first nine months

[SPEAKER_01]: equated himself and you can trust that to other wrestlers even in Japan or throughout the rest of the wrestling world and you're just like is there someone who might have as many like

[SPEAKER_01]: projectable tools as a wrestler as this guy has and especially at his age and at his time in the career and it's just one of the I will never people start talking or like asked me Mike when you get into dragongate it seems so a overbearing it seems like that there's a lot of lore and I don't want to mess with lore too much I just [SPEAKER_01]: talk to them about, like, how rewarding it is to see a young wrestler debut and then follow them throughout their years in progress.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Humara might be the one that as he progresses and as he, like, has finally that face turn maybe in twenty twenty six or twenty seven. [SPEAKER_01]: seeing him be able to have more of those kind of performances like he had against Kame as a singles wrestler. [SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to not just want to just invest to everything into Hummari and just try to attach yourself to the rocket ship and see where it goes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you make a good point about getting in on a group of work you've [SPEAKER_03]: and that being the jump on point in the investment point, because that's been one of the big, big things, retardums this year.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tommy Tommy is the MVP for the year period across men and women's wrestling depends, but like that group of rookies that they debut this year has, or all of the fans that left, when, time, or [SPEAKER_03]: you with honey left, a new fan was coming in to follow Kudada or Kiko or you know, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's Dr. I can get strong point against all of the other men's promotions in Japan right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully Kimura does well when he debuts and Sahara can get some momentum going on that as well. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we can use it right now. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we can use it right now. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we can use it right now. [SPEAKER_00]: That Hommari Yamato match took us into Shune Skywalker coming out, had it been seen in a few weeks in a Draingate ring.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then this Yamato versus Shune five in a singles match where Shune gets the win, you know, just before the five minute time limit. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the second time he's beat Yamato clean in a singles match this year in Corcorcan Hall. [SPEAKER_00]: Jay, for this sake of just clarity, Shune Skywalker has been saying that he's going to leave Draingate if he doesn't want to Kobe world, but that is not an official stipulation correct. [SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_02]: What's your read of all this then? [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I'll go in and I'll go anywhere. [SPEAKER_03]: He could lose and it would not be out of character for some guy walker to have lied. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that I, you know, I don't want to be smurf's reputation and cast the versions on him, but, you know, if he can be a liar, you know, or he could, or he could lose him, you know, show up, show up at the end of the G one.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, attack whoever wins. [SPEAKER_03]: But do you, could be a lot of different things. [SPEAKER_02]: What has your gut tell you right now? [SPEAKER_02]: I got [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of the result here. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't keep it going anywhere. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're asking me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's that's that's what I'm worried about because.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would say there's no one else on the roster that it'd be I'd be afraid of leaving and there's no one else on the roster that I'd be worried about long-term if they left. [SPEAKER_00]: But I also I do have to look in the direction of New Japan and I see a company that is it's starting to become pretty desperate. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have the money though. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't pay attention. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like the big rumor.

[SPEAKER_01]: I heard is that they get no bushy road money and basically what the backbone or a lifeline that we saw, the conglomerate promotions have in the past is pretty much gun like that they have to spend it and earn their own money from here on is what I heard. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I haven't heard anything about that because I couldn't tell you. [SPEAKER_03]: But let me let me reprise it. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me put it this way. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just leaving, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think this would, they would make an angle out of it like this? [SPEAKER_01]: I did the only time you could really kind of go back to that. [SPEAKER_01]: You would think about twenty eighteen when shingo. [SPEAKER_01]: Lot like it was not word that shingo was already on the way out, but like with like the hindsight and especially with what we have been able to discern over the years about old dragon gate and new dragon gate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that that's kind of like the only like comparison would be [SPEAKER_01]: getting one last Kobe World out of Shingo where he kind of shot his own angles, claiming that he wanted to become president after winning the company, and then very quickly after saying that he was on the way out.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that there was no stipulation whatsoever, that was more okay, Shingo, you have that one last Shingo Dreamgate match at Kobe World, and then you kind of start the typical graduations where that we've come to see over the last twenty years.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think pro wrestling logic would tell us that if soon we're going to leave they were trying to milk it for everything that they can now pro wrestling logic doesn't always apply to drag it logic and that's always an interesting thing to confront. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going anywhere but.

[SPEAKER_00]: If anybody was going to go, if anybody was going to be courted with a major offer, it would be shown and they do have an exit ramp with him losing a dreamgate match at world, which is the only thing that I'm nervous about is it just, it feels like there's a few different things aligning here to where I can't entirely shoot it away and go, now you're out of your mind, of course, he's going to stay.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he was going to be written off, it would be in a scenario like this, at least that's what normal processing logic would tell us. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's backwards, though, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Like these sorts of stipulation are usually the champion is the one that says, I would give you the title shot, but you've got to put something up. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_03]: But like the, like the Comitani Tam thing earlier this year.

[SPEAKER_03]: which is another thing, the fact that, you know, it literally the company has been a buzzword or a popular thing in in twenty twenty five.

[SPEAKER_00]: very much so very much so I look I think I think the build of this has been excellent you know we were kicking around especially after the coco to turn all what are they going to do with the amount of you know it it could be this it could be this it could be coco to once again but by the time the dust it's settled and we got to the amount of earth is shown it was one of those where you look back in January look back at the result of that first quirk and showing you go okay well this is this is the right match this is the biggest match they have and it's a match where I could believe

[SPEAKER_00]: any result, you know, if Shune wins the title, great, then Shune Skywalkers Dream Gate Champion, my favorite wrestler holds the top prize. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait. [SPEAKER_00]: If Yamato wins, even just removing Shune from the equation, I think this is the career defining run of Yamato's career. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the best champion in wrestling. [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see him defend the title more.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want to see him have another Kukuta match, and I want to see him have a Flamita match, and maybe a Junior match. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, all these different things that he can still do, [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, assuming skywalker six or at least, let's go with the idea that he's lying. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great. [SPEAKER_00]: Now we've got another possibly super fascinating shoe and skywalker angle to come out of this show.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm invested no matter what. [SPEAKER_01]: It also kind of, this kind of run that Yamato has had. [SPEAKER_01]: And in case and I took about an hour of a recent show, Jay, and we decided to see, like, okay, just to put current day Yamato's six-dringate run, [SPEAKER_01]: in context.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a look at the other thirty nine during gate champions and net net, not outright go this one's better than this one, but let's say, okay, we we all consider these S tier A tier B tier K said something called two thousand eight shingo Takagi as a tier, but as we were going through this exercise, we very quickly kind of came to a point where there weren't very many

[SPEAKER_01]: Dreamgate runs that we would argue or much better than what we've seen out of Yamato and at least for me the whole shune added stipulation. [SPEAKER_01]: I just [SPEAKER_01]: There's a part of me that wishes that this was that soon just shut his mouth and not said, oh, if I don't win, I'm going to leave this company to, but because like you have so much like still possible defenses lining up for

[SPEAKER_01]: uh... your motto if we if he gets pastion skywalk or there's always the idea of or at least i feel like there's always the the place of after you do the you geosheo gets his groove back like that's on offer like there's just so many more places that you can go to on a tile run that's already approaching that three hundred sixty five day portion and

[SPEAKER_01]: the the other aspect of this program that I find really kind of interesting is the at least the framework of usually this company likes everyone to have to go home happy after [SPEAKER_01]: the after Kobe world and in for like the longest time there weren't very many heels that would win at Kobe world at least in the main event. [SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of like you have this position where we did not get a super long shun sky walker.

[SPEAKER_01]: He'll drink it run when he picked up the belt for Mochioka and held it until dead or alive to drop it against Kakura. [SPEAKER_01]: But like there's a part of me where I'm where Jay, I'm trying to go like, well, [SPEAKER_01]: It soon can't be turning face if he wins this immediately, but even though there is the part of me in my lizard brain that's going, but that's what happened in a day very quickly turned a shingo out of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't feel like a Kobe world main event in recent years has had [SPEAKER_01]: this amount of like just open possibility coming out of it because I'd argue that there's still a lot of leash left in Shun's guy walker as a heel before wanting to turn him baby face after winning a drum gate belt here at world this year. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, the two thousand eight ending is definitely something that could be on the table. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, what I'll.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you mean wind title, they feel [SPEAKER_03]: Um, loses, these are the company, loses, little liar. [SPEAKER_03]: When the company, your win the championship and, you know, the drafts turn on him anywhere between the, the bell ringing at the end of the match or, you know, be, or, you know, or at Otaku or after Otaku or, you know, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, those are all things that are on the table.

[SPEAKER_03]: You do have to keep in mind what, you know, what is he could to keep that focus right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, his focus right now is killing strong machine J, but I think once he gets past that, I feel like it's not the result that I want the most, but I do feel like the most likely result is soon wins and then gets turned on by Zebra. [SPEAKER_00]: I had to then you're setting up a Kuku diverse issue in program.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, with what I was getting at with Keith, Keith, that is the fact that, you know, his heel turned ultimately was not about him turning on D courage because of because of, you know, they couldn't get along or because he didn't like the Oceoca. [SPEAKER_03]: He hurt, you know, he joined D rap because he's trying to get revenge on all of the other Raywood generation guys that he feels. [SPEAKER_03]: They let him down.

[SPEAKER_03]: He handpicked them and they've all failed for different things. [SPEAKER_03]: So he's in Baratheofioka. [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to try to embarrass Drunkimbe now. [SPEAKER_03]: And then that leaves, you know, Benke, Benke's in Aminura. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, we can be cool with Aminura for a while. [SPEAKER_03]: Can he be cool with Shun for a while? [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you get distracted by Benke first and then go Christian.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's something else that you have to watch. [SPEAKER_03]: with the rap and all that. [SPEAKER_03]: When thinking about the next step, he's going to make, then he does something that you're going to have to keep in mind until he runs through all of those guys. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the idea of all right. [SPEAKER_01]: Somehow, they all keep it together within zebra, so you don't have Kakura to turn towards them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is, at least since the days of RAD, and if you want to kind of go further back, you're talking about like initial Mad Blanky, if not blood warriors.

[SPEAKER_01]: we have an enormous seal army at least for this time in dragon and especially what if Johnny shows back up randomly what with the sirens blaring like there's that there's also I feel like the the chance that you know what maybe even [SPEAKER_01]: Shune when Shune doesn't win, but you have the ideas that you have now Zebras with Shune Skywalker being very much like Shune trying to accomplish his missions and aims with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now that eventually you have a figure like Akuta who has completely different motivations and how long can that all [SPEAKER_01]: hold in a helium net that is now usually walking around at eight and it makes you wonder like, oh, is this a time where we could be possibly be seeing a heel split coming out of this too. [SPEAKER_01]: It does really feel like whereas in past years, we would go like, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's two thousand and sixteen we assume your motto is going to win this title and that's kind of off to the races here with it and that was very much like the tip hand that's where things were going we don't have that at Kobe world and it feels like that not having a tip hand and having all these opportunities is how when we've had this main event that really it was always going to kind of be like this it does feel

[SPEAKER_01]: very new the idea that there's so many different possible outcomes and what when we might be sitting here talking before a before Oda and dangerous game. [SPEAKER_01]: It could be a a plan Z that we are not even aware of that just feels like that this is a main event that there have that many possible outcomes out of it and it's really it's real exciting and I had to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: comparing it to some of the booking that we have seen from this promotion under this leadership group as it relates to the during gate. [SPEAKER_01]: This is pretty easily like the best book dream gate program they've had go into Kobe world in the entire Rio Cito administration. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd wager. [SPEAKER_03]: I would agree with you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's interesting thing you mentioned, Y'all have been communicating though because that was [SPEAKER_03]: last time we had a cathartic, a cathartic phase turn from late from a top guy, you know, it's been almost ten years now. [SPEAKER_03]: Think about, you know, you mentioned Blood Wars and RED to, you know, I thought someone mentioned a couple of people mentioned actually, but the end of the end of debtor alive felt like the RED at final gate when he twenty moment.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you could also [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you could also say blood warriors at final gate, twenty eleven moments. [SPEAKER_03]: But neither of those groups got to come up with. [SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully it wasn't. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right. [SPEAKER_01]: RED just kind of then gets invaded by a tune and they go off on their own completely new direction and that was only year later though. [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, they just kind of existed throughout twenty twenty two until that point or twenty twenty one and then eight and then eight that were gone. [SPEAKER_03]: And blood warriors, they a lot of people forget. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and a lot of the long time ago, a lot of people forget about this. [SPEAKER_03]: So that they, you know, they, they did the incomprehensible scheme of faith turned like the second or third show.

[SPEAKER_03]: of the following year, just completely resetting everything. [SPEAKER_03]: The junctions we get defended blood warriors when they turn in, and then they turn to bad blanking and get clowned on. [SPEAKER_03]: And it took a while, you know, it took until really Yamato joined them in the next version of bad blanking for [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know for that to finally get back on the feed. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like they have a great track.

[SPEAKER_03]: There isn't a historic track record for like yield group being at their most dominant and then getting their come up in. [SPEAKER_03]: So if they can make it happen here, hopefully, you know, this would be the first time in a long time that they've pulled that they pulled it off that they've actually pulled this sort of thing off. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, you also have to consider who the bread do turn on, and who you're going to want to team with the guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, that's the, that's the Humari piece of that where you wonder if Humari jumps at that point, too, if they keep them heal a little bit longer, which I think is a fascinating dynamic. [SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, we, we were talking about this in the preview for that our live where, soon spent three years alienating the entire roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to take him a long time to find allies [SPEAKER_00]: If he does turn, you know, people that are already faces, because if you're in natural vibes, why would you want to do that? [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're in love and peace, why would you want to do that? [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're in paradox, you know, I think that's the least antagonistic unit that that shoes been antagonistic towards, but also soon, just wrestled your motto.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I find that to be really fascinating.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm curious to see what comes of that, but I also [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jay, this is your fault because you laid out such a good plan, but I'm still married to this idea of Yamato wins here, and then you turn shune, and then it's this baby face run for the title at Fukuoka that shune has, which is what I really would like to see, which is Yamato, Break the Dreamgate record, shune turn face, and then shune when the belt in twenty, twenty, six.

[SPEAKER_00]: That team is the most entertaining option, but it feels like the clothes we get to world, the less likely that is to happen. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was kind of my assumption of where before the, before the need to work, then could be, you know, put the tip on it was my assumption was, you know, it'll be on that one. [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, soon we'll go in super confident, track talk all the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then lose.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then it would be, you know, in get turned on and the story would be, you know, the soon redemption story would be goes from [SPEAKER_03]: I'm above Dragon Gate and everything in it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm above the Dream Gate Championship. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm above all of the, for lack of a better term, come back down to Earth and realize that he's not bigger than the company, but he loved the company and he wants the Dream Gate not for his own person.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, have that kind of change of heart. [SPEAKER_03]: and come around on that and change the black costume to a white costume. [SPEAKER_03]: And then, by then, Yamato's still the champion, or by then, maybe Kikuta's the champion. [SPEAKER_03]: And he's the one that ends up vanquishing the monster Kikuta. [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, such as life. [SPEAKER_03]: Not gonna be that life. [SPEAKER_03]: Here's another thing to consider.

[SPEAKER_03]: Another thing to consider though. [SPEAKER_03]: If so, let's say if soon win. [SPEAKER_03]: Because right now, you know, everyone's worked into issues over the earth, right? [SPEAKER_03]: You know, everyone, like, well, he's got to be going to the Japan. [SPEAKER_03]: He's got to be doing this. [SPEAKER_03]: The nation fans are in hysterics and everything blah, blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the end of the day, if he wins, [SPEAKER_03]: Even if he does it, and there's not a turn immediately, or even a turn in the short term, the fact that he won and stayed does plant even if it's very small. [SPEAKER_03]: It does plant a seed in people's mind, the dragon gate, dragon gate fans that are worried that he's gonna leave. [SPEAKER_03]: It does plant the seed that shinsako in anywhere. [SPEAKER_03]: He really, he really is staying.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that is a seed that can eventually grow toward, they can go a long way toward helping fans accept him as a good guy. [SPEAKER_03]: So in that aspect is also masterful. [SPEAKER_03]: But assuming it plays out that way. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like with the fan base at larger?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we were talking a few years ago when you had all of these departures, some new guys, some older guys, but it was just there's a period in the early, twenty-twenties where there was a ton of roster turnover and you had mentioned that perhaps fans had become a little anxious and a little worried to latch onto some of these rookies because you don't know if they're going to be around or not.

[SPEAKER_00]: Within the fan bases, they're like an overwhelming sense of trauma of like, hey, our favor could go at any time. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you never know what's going to happen and drag it anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, that's that feeling that that's not a strategy anymore. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's never about, you know, that every it. [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, that trauma definitely does. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's any more in dragging it than the [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I think it's worth in New Japan that anywhere right now, just because of the Dragon Gate has a lot of, you know, let's just say post-COVID. [SPEAKER_03]: There were a lot of vicious departures and a lot of disappointing departures, but none of them cooked the bag and ran. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, go cut off or operate.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so from in that sense, due to pant pants, I've had it much work over the last few years. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and you'll, but you do all have to think, do, do you consider this? [SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's being talked about over two years ago now, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I did departure was two years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they haven't wrestled in Japan in over three years to our kentos coming up on three years, but, you know, Taco left after the June, twenty twenty two, Sombo Hall show. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's the left after a world, twenty twenty two. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, and you talk and Taco was only around six months. [SPEAKER_02]: So, I think we're far enough removed.

[SPEAKER_03]: from those departures that there's quite a few newer particularly like the newer fans don't even remember any of that. [SPEAKER_03]: So as we create more distance from that, and when there's newer fans coming in, that anxiety start to go away. [SPEAKER_03]: Old fans are always going to be anxious. [SPEAKER_03]: I've been, you know, shit man, I've been anxious since, two thousand four. [SPEAKER_03]: I've been, you know, I've been anxious for twenty one years.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't go away, but, you know, it is what it is. [SPEAKER_01]: I would have to say that not to do like compare and contrast pain with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Within like the dragon system and the low line anxiety that I just just think like I came in later than you Jay and I still have like the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when certain things that just kind of happen or don't necessarily pass the smell test, but when you like look at it, I feel like though [SPEAKER_01]: the dragon system, not they have like condition fans to be ready for graduations and such, but an aspect of the life of like the dragon system is the idea that

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's become more true. [SPEAKER_01]: The older the promotion gets is that it's always a young person's promotion. [SPEAKER_01]: It's it started as the place that would take anyone. [SPEAKER_01]: But now it's really seen as kind of more more so like this great producer of young wrestlers that there seems to always kind of be that aspect in the back of your brain going like, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: even if we take shune for his word and if we, and that's a very dangerous thing considering how he was ranting about colors on YouTube. [SPEAKER_01]: But if you take him by his word at the very least, and you look at it as, okay, on the thirteenth, that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: Arguably, we're talking about someone who maybe has had, within a ten year period, the most successful ten year period of anyone throughout the twenty-six years of the promotion, I would say.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's been one of the things that's been kind of ringing in my head lately. [SPEAKER_01]: Part of thing, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what was your perspective? [SPEAKER_03]: What was your perspective? [SPEAKER_03]: What was your perspective? [SPEAKER_03]: I can get experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, geez. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would probably say, and this is very low lying, the breakup of Tizawa Juku. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was very traumatic for me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I, I know, I mean, you're per, um, oh, shit. [SPEAKER_03]: They know vaguely worded press relief, really hoated at one a.m. [SPEAKER_03]: on the blog. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just because of when I entered like this because of ring of honor and all that it would have to be the core scandal. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess it would have been. [SPEAKER_03]: It would have been.

[SPEAKER_03]: It would have been Ken Ken. [SPEAKER_01]: Then he was the. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kenchen, blended to kickboxing. [SPEAKER_03]: Ken Ken. [SPEAKER_03]: I'd been leaving to do quote unquote kickboxing. [SPEAKER_03]: Realma or yo, hey, bailing on his pension. [SPEAKER_03]: and referee Olya leaving silently all in that kind of six-week band. [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been that, or Kenta Tomanaka's arrest. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but pretty good one.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been Kenta, because Kenta happened before, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it was right around dead or alive because that was just talking to somebody somebody was deeming me saying they just watch mochi and Yamato from dead or live. [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty a left of the first time and they were wondering what I read shoes was the referee on that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was right after the after the earthquake in twenty eleven.

[SPEAKER_03]: Beginning beginning of April. [SPEAKER_03]: before the champion gates that replaced the real Goku show. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for people don't know, you guys know, but for people that don't know, I want to context what the hell we're talking about. [SPEAKER_03]: You see a referee in Kintatamaoka. [SPEAKER_03]: He was part of the third ultimodragon gym class with [SPEAKER_03]: Cytel, Cytel Rio is the GM, is the one in that class that made it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he was like kind of the first example of someone that was in the system, you know, he was in Mexico training, but he wasn't any good and had injuries, but he ended up staying to become a staff. [SPEAKER_03]: He became a referee. [SPEAKER_03]: And he was, he was [SPEAKER_03]: The main, he was the heel referee from up a lot. [SPEAKER_03]: If you go back and watch all that, he was the guy that was heel referee.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he was one of the, payment ponder, were the primary referees from, two, two, going ponder, came back and put Kanda Yagi and this guy. [SPEAKER_03]: In two thousand eleven, he got this fucking guy off the clock. [SPEAKER_03]: He got busted and arrested up for, you know, he was doing [SPEAKER_03]: they is stimulant is what they call it, but he was doing speed enough and arrest up and he got arrested and that's why you've ever heard of him because that was the end of him.

[SPEAKER_03]: He got, you know, he got fired that night, vague press release at one thirty a.m. [SPEAKER_03]: and then when the police report came out, they had to acknowledge it, but yeah, kinka that guy fired for a contract violation. [SPEAKER_00]: And has never been heard from again, I don't think. [SPEAKER_03]: Nope, he was a mosaic on a lot of stuff for a long time when they would show highlights, past clips, or on DVDs, and things like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: They mosaic to face for a long time. [SPEAKER_03]: Because, I mean, dude, he was probably, he did time, you know, he was in jail for, you know, for how long he never came back. [SPEAKER_03]: The other referee, Oya, he can't, he's a wrestler now. [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if you guys want to talk about vaguely because it always was at that time period.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kenta was always the super recognizable one in the Niyagi and kind of, of course, you would know because of the wrestling kind of past. [SPEAKER_01]: So, Oya just kind of, sometimes with like some of the referees that kind of come and go, I remember him existing, but I couldn't put a face on. [SPEAKER_03]: No, he was about he was another.

[SPEAKER_03]: probably don't do a class, two thousand six, two thousand seven around that time and he had some kind of injury and he also wasn't that good. [SPEAKER_01]: So he was going to agree with the rest of them. [SPEAKER_03]: He was a he was the next referee. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Now I know I remember him from the big photo with Ape Commada and MCKZ and in the in the Lydian and Thomas and Jersey. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And he wrestled. [SPEAKER_03]: He wrestled.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tom Oca on like the muffler-outlaw show. [SPEAKER_03]: They did like a referee versus referee, Matt, and who can take a bully him and squash him and hit him with like a super dangerous style clash. [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like ran away in the middle of the night when night was ever heard again. [SPEAKER_03]: But like this he's forty. [SPEAKER_03]: No, like thirty, eight, thirty, nine years old, and he just he debuted as a wrestler at a young age. [SPEAKER_03]: thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: The American. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And like the ring, the Friday fight. [SPEAKER_03]: And at rings, they'll like either, they'd be really the restboard over there. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, wait a minute, I can, what is that? [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen it fail. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, no, it's said it's fucking, it's fucking the way I use it. [SPEAKER_03]: So life's still in Kobe. [SPEAKER_03]: And he's, he's wrestling now. [SPEAKER_03]: How about that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Huh. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's just me sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: And they don't, never say never. [SPEAKER_03]: And for wrestling, you never know. [SPEAKER_03]: people come back all the time. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess like if you are a real dragon system had traveling to Japan, it's not trying to go find wherever in Chofu, a secret base, it's running.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get to Kyoto, you got to get to Ring Soul because you'll get to see Shisha and probably like former dragon system referee is wrestle. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it seems like Ring Soul is the place you got to go on Friday. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, they have like a wrestling, they have like a wrestling school type thing, because they have the ring and the rest, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, she's teaching there. [SPEAKER_03]: He comes and teaches every now and then.

[SPEAKER_03]: What I understand, I think they have rotating, you know, like Tanazaki is there, you know, Tanazaki does a lunatic, but, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: Do Tanazaki and she still have beef with each other? [SPEAKER_02]: Tanazaki is a lunatic. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like, super, super lunatic. [SPEAKER_03]: I think if you're, like, if you're talking, like, you know, there's no such thing as never intro wrestling.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about a close to never, you can get above probably everyone else. [SPEAKER_03]: Really? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a lunatic.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Gamma wasn't a ultimate dragon gym child. [SPEAKER_03]: He married into a family. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: No one's going.

[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I hope Gamma comes back. [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Time to talk to you. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Just from a personality standpoint, or is he like a crazy political guy or what's his deal? [SPEAKER_03]: He is like an anti-vac, conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory guy, but he's also just like, [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, he talks shit all the time, even though he's a nobody.

[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's always, I mean, this was a few years ago, like he was like, when Gamel retired, the Gamel retirement show, and they're all, like, everybody's done flowers, and nobody from giant gate sent flowers to the show. [SPEAKER_03]: I was talking to you, I was on, on Instagram, clicking pictures of all of the clicking pictures of all of the pages. [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, wait a minute, there's no flowers.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's no flowers from anyone from Dragongate. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they probably can't afford to buy flowers. [SPEAKER_03]: Then, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh,

[SPEAKER_01]: Blake has never used to use that as kind of sure that I mean that is the real toxicity test right there if you can't get into that room of broken toys. [SPEAKER_00]: As she reverses, not congima singles match. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe us either as either just happened or is coming up. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to if you want to do it? [SPEAKER_00]: Man, what are you doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Man, what are you doing? [SPEAKER_00]: Man, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, what are you doing [SPEAKER_03]: uh, well, it would have been twenty minutes, twenty thirty minutes, we were talking about the corrican hole show, but there's been so much of that, like, there was, you know, him, there was just arena on the third and so a few days ago, there was a second motel, there was, you know, Takanaki in DDT, the other thing, kind of a lot of really scary stuff going on and in the ring, um, there's a large of hand kid that

[SPEAKER_03]: the the all Japan tour bus ran him over and he's yeah been in ICU for like you like you know twenty twenty two years old I think and like critical condition critical condition for three weeks and that was three weeks ago we haven't heard anything good news or otherwise and you know now you know late have you know only Zuko just committed a committed a [SPEAKER_03]: in contract infraction and he's like, what a shameless boy who you know that you had to do something bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know you don't keep up with them at all. [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of have, I think it's like a wookie life step to keep track of these kinds of things. [SPEAKER_01]: They were, they went all in on only, basically, as like, [SPEAKER_01]: Like strapping him up, they finally put a belt on y'all a more with him on it. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was very clear that like that they're like, well, we're at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got to push someone we were choosing on azuka and then this happens. [SPEAKER_01]: Two titles, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Two titles and they made and he was the fan. [SPEAKER_03]: They made him like the fan club. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, possible. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: He won that the dumb seven minute, the gimmick belt and then the tag match where you want to talk about scary things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I he almost took a complete header on his finish and that match against S being taco on a shoot. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see the the crazy the the Korean kid? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: That was terrifying with the AAA guy. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, so for those, you don't know when they brought in AAA guys into Glate, there was a match with JD Lee with I think it's Bella Sagoer is the guy's name where he went over the top and went like from like the top rope to straight to the floor, the loudest streak that happened on that show was that. [SPEAKER_01]: Was it like a superplex? [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a superplex that he was like outright dropped. [SPEAKER_03]: Like they stole.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was like Jimmy Jacob power. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Type of accident. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good way to describe it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There was a streak that you do not hear very often in that building or any sort of commotion around this promotion.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the the air of it is already toxic and just bad vibes throughout it, but it just took a different tent. [SPEAKER_01]: Dragon back into the ring and make him take the finish to. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, they went pretty much straight to finish and then got had rolled them under the road. [SPEAKER_03]: He was on the floor. [SPEAKER_03]: How do you go straight to do why why do you roll them back in the ring and make him take the finish?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know who was teeming with the triple eight. [SPEAKER_01]: I know who I know who was teeming. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly why they made the kid to get back in there. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no. [SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, if it was happened in a promotion that people actually paid attention to versus seeing, hey, we're going to watch it because it's free or I'm not paying eight dollars a month for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been a much bigger like social media outcry. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel because it easily was like one of the scariest moments I've seen a long time in a wrestling. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you type that you acted in, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: People leaving company in Sacramento, you know, JTO is probably going under, you know, a big Japan, probably going under, you know, the countdown is on for Glade, the countdown is going up for Isra, then for, you know, however, it doesn't, it doesn't matter if anyone under contract anymore after what happened last year.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea, but they'll probably survive, you know, I, like, will, then a big Japan will find a way. [SPEAKER_03]: No, not big. [SPEAKER_03]: I think them in zero one will find a way. [SPEAKER_03]: Big Japan found the Fekimoto gun. [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like we're on the countdown for them. [SPEAKER_01]: You don't think they'll just keep open as like a vanity for a Kajika until he passes. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't know man.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's possible, it's possible, but it seems like the writing is like really on the wall for them. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Glate to, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: They can keep it going, but, you know, it seemed like the, I think, you know, they've gone all in on Kathiiko, which is, you know, like, they could be banking on the idea, okay, we go in all in on Kathiiko for a while. [SPEAKER_03]: We beat him and he goes away and then following, Noah got rid of him and got hot.

[SPEAKER_03]: All the pan got rid of him and got hot. [SPEAKER_03]: that they're kind of hoping that maybe when they get rid of him, they'll get hot, counting on you, casting out, you know, casting out the harbinger, the harbinger of doom. [SPEAKER_01]: The bigger problem they're going to have is that they don't even like, [SPEAKER_01]: that they can't even run a cork anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: They found like this like void room, go tanda that like they get like three hundred people and in Tokyo and that was their anniversary show instead of running Tokyo at home city hall. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, well, don't put you. [SPEAKER_03]: There was something happened with Tokyo at home that makes it even more expensive to run. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it got, you know, on a pitch. [SPEAKER_01]: Do they just raise it again? [SPEAKER_01]: They used to be three times cork in.

[SPEAKER_03]: kind of, you know, kind of gave you a haul is what it's called. [SPEAKER_03]: No, like someone bought naming right. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, but it's what you're saying is well though that they had to rather than find another thousand feet venue, they had to downsize their anniversary show to a three hundred. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, they've all they admitted that it was downsizing, you know, like, yeah, you can't hide that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But the run and cooking, boom tie on November third, [SPEAKER_04]: which is, like, that's a pretty big, like, a thousand feet. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the beelie is there, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you'll come up, I don't turn it with our team image, but like, yeah, it's like a full basketball arena. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is where it's part of the garden that they're big fill.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the one that they did, twenty four hundred for the Tom retirement or that, right? [SPEAKER_01]: When Tom was at, I was a Simahal, I thought. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw my dates mixed up. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know that was grand slams. [SPEAKER_01]: That was at Yokohama Arena, not Buntai. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Buntai was last year. [SPEAKER_03]: If I'm not mistaken, I'm going to look it up and see what it is. [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, it's infinity.

[SPEAKER_03]: You do, you do six hundred people in cork and all and you're going to run. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, you know, more power, more power to them. [SPEAKER_03]: It's on November third and we're going to be, get it up to me. [SPEAKER_03]: Got it out. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you guys saw that. [SPEAKER_03]: Get it up to me. [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to, is officially two days in number two because number one is close.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just a little longer short of it. [SPEAKER_01]: And with how they kind of switched at least the end of February, early March, two shows and ED onto away from champion gauge. [SPEAKER_01]: You think they would just call this, I know it's already marked as gay destiny one and two.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you think that we were probably going to anticipate card make-ups where you would have to two belts one night, two belts the other night, or do you think they're gonna try that on the different format for this? [SPEAKER_03]: More than likely, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I think more than likely, yes. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's probably specifically why they didn't do a champion gate this time. [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: And next year, because the next year, the champion gate would likely be the last show in Eddie on at all, or twenty-six. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, because they're flipping between one and two. [SPEAKER_01]: One of them. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: The entire building is closed. [SPEAKER_01]: Back here. [SPEAKER_01]: One and two are both are going to be closed, texture.

[SPEAKER_01]: So is that a change because our member for a while, it was like, OK, one's going to be down, but you're still going to be able to run two for a little bit, but then two's going to come down, and then you can run one a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: So the whole building is going to shut down. [SPEAKER_03]: It's all, but it's basically one is closed, this is closed until January.

[SPEAKER_03]: from January to April, both will be open, and then from April to the end of the year, the entire building is down, because they are electrical. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, that's a building that I mean, everybody. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's been there forever for the, like, it's been the sumo building since, like, the sixies out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, they, they, I thought, [SPEAKER_03]: It's good that it's getting renovation, because it wasn't getting renovations, and they were just letting it turn into something that would mean that it might close. [SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that they're spending money on renovation, you need to get at least another ten years out of it. [SPEAKER_01]: At least for how things are looking into twenty twenty six, then I mean, did do we know?

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that you talked about on blue sky, the new building in the Goya that's opening up that seems to be the the like magic kind of number for at least for non, New Japan promotions to run it. [SPEAKER_01]: Did do we think that that that we can expect anything like that getting announced, uh, neckable months or not? [SPEAKER_01]: We're all talker. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, no, for Nagoya, the Nagoya building.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, you know, and here's, it can be about, it's going to be like a, um, they said, a thousand seats. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, the, you know, access is not great, not to work. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the access is probably not a deal breaker, but it all comes up. [SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, brand new venue. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a brand new venue going to be to run. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I haven't had a chance to talk to you to you about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you even know about it. [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, if it's super expensive, then it's probably probably not worth it. [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, we just have to wait, have to wait and see. [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully, you know, hopefully it, you know, hopefully it's reasonably, you know, you can have pretty good, you know, good sponsors down there that might be willing to help, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: get in and bring a big show back to Nagoya.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you got to remember, you know, Congress Center is closed now too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that they're hoping that they can, that, you know, you can eventually build, start opening more and more of this, so you have a venue to make it work while. [SPEAKER_03]: There is, there's a, there's a two-ney key hall, I think it's called Margold and Barton and maybe DDT have run there before, but the Dragon Gate Ring won't fit, is what I heard. [SPEAKER_03]: He's small for the Dragon Gate Ring. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we kind of talked about the main event.

[SPEAKER_01]: At least a Kobe world around it a little bit with Yamato defending against Shinskai Walker for the Dream Gate.

[SPEAKER_01]: At what point did you kind of lock in and go like, oh, this is the clear Dream Gate program because it [SPEAKER_01]: I can't speak for case, but for me, when the, after the, the fence again, some of Mocha Zuki and Shune showed up, I was like, oh, I should have known this from January, sixteenth onwards that this is the program that's going to be the main event.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I said before, I kind of, my assumption was always going to be, if, if the, if the, [SPEAKER_03]: If there wasn't a term from its own in the cage match, and I think we talked extensively about that and it ended up just being the, it ended up being the simplest result rather than all the complicated one.

[SPEAKER_03]: But the, I was always under the assumption that it would be Yamatooshan, but I was going under the assumption that should lose and it would lead to the baby face. [SPEAKER_03]: the stipulation through me. [SPEAKER_03]: And made me doubt, you know, my, my head cannon booking was thrown out the window, which means, of course, I'm going to be completely irrational. [SPEAKER_03]: Regardless of what happened, because my head cannon didn't happen. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is entirely fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Mike, you want to talk about you, uh, you can, uh, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been, you Kyushuoka, he has a, I just find all the build that they've done with them really kind of interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was the one who kind of was like, when as soon as I saw it was an X, my mom, my brain was going, oh, they have to be bringing Tana Hashan for M. [SPEAKER_01]: And I knew the Gifu aspect, I did not know the whole, oh, he actually played on Tanahashi's baseball team, like at high school, same high school kind of aspect with it. [SPEAKER_01]: But Yoshiyoka getting kind of a heavy promo cut on him by Dragon Kid on Thursday.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's still kind of in this, this rebuilt thing, my original idea, when [SPEAKER_01]: uh, Kobe world was coming about. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that, okay, as soon as it wasn't going to be Yoshioka, Shune doing like the, they heal lost to the baby face turn as well as expecting because I kind of, in the back of my mind, I was going, oh, the rebuild of Yoshioka does kind of feel like the thing for a,

[SPEAKER_01]: monster kind of title run to end it there, but Yoshioka is I know Casey you've been a little bit more kind of trepidacious about him at least in like after the cage and like where is Yoshioka kind of going, but I thought the match with big hug that was I or not hug not hug is [SPEAKER_01]: whatever do I indicate in the ring.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's also like kind of like their later chapters of their career doing this tag team work, but my mind immediately goes to like am I seeing some of the best tag team wrestling in company history. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but it is with two of those tag team to the best tag team wrestlers in the company's history with that. [SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_01]: Yoshioca, I've just been kind of fascinated about and his return and the lead to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do you think at least for Yoshioca and the specter of like Tanahashi as like this ex here? [SPEAKER_01]: Where are you kind of fitting on the Yoshioca reconstruction tour so far? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think there's absolutely only one rule that can come out of this map. [SPEAKER_03]: Yoshiyoka pins in with the frog glass, Tana-Hafi wins the G-One. [SPEAKER_03]: Yoshiyoka comes out at the end, so they beat you at world.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm coming to, and I'm your retirement opponent. [SPEAKER_03]: He retired Tana-Hafi, field the high five low, and we all move on. [SPEAKER_01]: Does this mean that like he becomes then the linear, best wrestler in Geifus and Sana-Hafi beat soccer at Chicago? [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And then at some point Yoshiyoka, [SPEAKER_03]: and take a promo. [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm solved.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, another death. [SPEAKER_03]: No, um, I mean, I don't know how he giving him permission to rename to call his frog slash the high fly flow is probably what we want that, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I think that'd be huge. [SPEAKER_03]: That'd be a huge seal of approval. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do know that on a hushie, [SPEAKER_03]: have a news pan wrestler in well a news pan wrestler in mind that he wants to pass the high-fly flow to.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think that's kind of what we want out of this. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, there's been moments [SPEAKER_03]: kind of instant the cage match. [SPEAKER_03]: He's had a couple of singles matches against the in top row with KV. [SPEAKER_03]: He had a single match. [SPEAKER_03]: He had a single match with Ben K. And then where you kind of get the differences of what he was doing when he was doing gay champion.

[SPEAKER_03]: He hits the battle hook and he gets that look in his eye and he has that that smile and that glare. [SPEAKER_03]: He goes up and hit the frog's left and all that. [SPEAKER_03]: But then he could cut off or go into a dream gate champion like that was it. [SPEAKER_03]: Once he got that look in his eyes, the master's over. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's still in there, but he's just got to figure out where it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the person he's the big superstar that came from the same hometown as him does. [SPEAKER_03]: He's the frog class because of this guy and all that. [SPEAKER_03]: The great, it's a great story. [SPEAKER_03]: Is it does he jump right to the dreamgator? [SPEAKER_03]: Does he have to vanquish keep the fur? [SPEAKER_03]: Or does he vanquish keep the dreamgator at some point and Yoshi will be vanquishes in there?

[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like the the mirroring that could happen if it's that [SPEAKER_01]: With the schedule going to be like what it is, if King of Gates moved a little bit sooner, you have to have him run through King of Gates first before getting to Buddha.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like [SPEAKER_01]: It would put him in that rare two time king of the gate can you get winner category for yo shioka, but I do feel like with the amount of like we basically got to see for three months, at least from when he returned through rate a very awesome to the into the cage, really just him kind of [SPEAKER_01]: floundering it and in a way like we thought that that was the start of his rehabilitation road.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, his rehabilitation road started at Dalton's arena and I feel like having at least like that sort of and maybe it's all tack going like oh he's showing can you get the belt here? [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like for this kind of rehabilitation and like the idea that they're [SPEAKER_01]: that I mean, he had to go and face his mentor in Kobe, a couple months back. [SPEAKER_01]: He had to go, he had a much azuki match.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that to have that kind of roadback, maybe making sure that it's double underlined with the king of gate before that match of Kakura. [SPEAKER_01]: That's what that's where I would go. [SPEAKER_01]: But I do feel like if it's not going to be a motto dropping it to Yoshioka at the end of the year, Kakuta does feel kind of like the right person.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're just talking about Yoshioka's story and not just like the overall situation with the promotion, I feel like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kakuta is the guy. [SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder how long you want to string it out until I'm done.

[SPEAKER_00]: really hot and cold on your show because since his return and it makes sense given his injury and and how long he was off that it's not like he was going to hit the ground running and be the twenty twenty two yoke you show you you show call over again. [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like in the June cork and I was like all right we're back. [SPEAKER_00]: This is who I want he's shown a ton of fire.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's super engaging and then like this cork and match I thought was a total nothing match. [SPEAKER_00]: I was really disappointed by it and so. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm of the belief of like if they're gonna go from this ton of how she matched into a dream game match, he better lose that dream game match.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whether it gets, it gets you motto or shoon or kukuta or whoever, I don't feel like he's at a point where he's performing consistently enough to where you can once again have him lead the company. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's all for the angle.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I, there's nothing that I see in the, [SPEAKER_00]: In the actual work that he's doing that would make me go like, oh, yeah, that's, you know, if the options are, if it's a forehead and drag in between Yamato, Shun Kaku to Yoshioca, I'm going to do what I can to have the belt on Yamato, Shun or Kaku to because I think the work that they are doing is laughing what Yoshioca's doing right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think when you got like the glimpse of him, like, like you're saying in Sapporo, like there was a moment where you got to see kind of the Terminator look on YoShioca that you got to see. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that he's not able to fully tap into that. [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I kind of like how long and drawn out this could be because it shouldn't be him going in there with Sahara or Kazuma and just like being the crap out of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's going to have to take those kinds of higher level opponents like your kz's like the one thing that and not to go full completely fan book kind of situation here with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Though, the one person that I, that if I was doing the Yukiyoshioka gets his groove back storyline and I was with the pencil, I, you almost kind of want him to like have to face the people he face and his dream gate run to bring that back a little bit and we're knocking eight to back here. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's not gonna happen, but that that's kind of where my mind kind of goes with how long you want to take to build back up Yoshiyoka.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think you, I got to do the big names, Tanahashi is as big as you get. [SPEAKER_01]: as it gets and then kind of start from there to see those glumpses and like the big matches before you get to kind of see it in the day and day out stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the the most you match is kind of the is the one to really look at out of all these odd vaults.

[SPEAKER_03]: The recent single matches that you've done because he got to the Terminator mode, like you said, but got cut off. [SPEAKER_03]: and couldn't beat him. [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't lose, but he couldn't beat him. [SPEAKER_03]: And the story of that match where he came out after either in the ringback phase or on social media somewhere and he was talking about, I beat this guy with ease three years ago. [SPEAKER_03]: And now he's fifty-five years old and now I can't beat him.

[SPEAKER_03]: What's wrong with me? [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like that's [SPEAKER_03]: what we need to be looking at on a lot of these single matches and a lot of the things that he's doing right now. [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, whether it's, yeah, I remember he missed fifteen months that I surgery, you know, it doesn't, it's not easy to get back into it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Particularly, you know, Ray-Dray-Demaria, you know, Mark April, you know, right when he was coming back, like, that was a someone who's career might have been over and, you know, there, [SPEAKER_03]: It's real that he has trained different. [SPEAKER_03]: His body's different. [SPEAKER_03]: He had to learn how to bump again. [SPEAKER_03]: And he had to learn how to bump in a way that he had to change all of that, keeping in mind that his eye was damaged before.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now that it's surgically repaired, it's never going to be one hundred percent again. [SPEAKER_03]: It could be ninety-nine point nine percent, but there's that point one percent. [SPEAKER_03]: So there is still a lot of UTOCO get the human getting new to becoming UTOCO the wrestler again, but under different circumstances. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's that being said, KOG would be way too fast.

[SPEAKER_03]: If KOG happens, if KOG starts, they in September, you know, KOG's end of the year. [SPEAKER_03]: and it leads to final boss, which whoever in Fukuoka, yeah, but if KOD is any time earlier than I think. [SPEAKER_03]: One, I wouldn't do a league this year, I would do a tournament.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I would run them out in the first round, just whether it be from kick the coming in and hitting them over the head with a chair, or if you just, you know, whatever loses some one, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: If it's a, you know, before the end of the year Yeah, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we haven't really talked about love and peace so far on this episode of J, but the semi-main event of Kobe World, Coach of Menora, Jason Lee Menoli, making a defense of the open-the-twent-gate champions against now the the two leaders of love and peace and members of the twenty-sixteen Dojo class, Binkke and Heo and [SPEAKER_01]: It love and peace. [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm more into them necessarily maybe a little bit more than case because then okay, it's how strong.

[SPEAKER_01]: How strong a place you have for gold class, especially how they ended out with these five guys. [SPEAKER_01]: Love and peace feels like a different kind of face unit that we've seen in kind of recent years. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's more successful at what they're trying to accomplish than maybe other attempts at it. [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a part of me, Jay, and I want to see if I'm way off the track here with us.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a part of me that when I look at Heo and Binkke, and especially the Love Peace Contra, [SPEAKER_01]: goal class match that we had last month and seeing just kind of how light-hearted and just in genuine it's funny, but it's not comedy wrestling for the attentive comedy. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting what I'm getting to is I'm getting a major Jimmy's kind of vibe from these five guys at least so far.

[SPEAKER_01]: How has been your response to golden piece so far since the rebrand? [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're supposed to think of monster for [SPEAKER_03]: rather than the general. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they are wearing orange. [SPEAKER_03]: Orange and the origins of monster threats were, you know, we just want to make for wrestling fun again. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to hold hands, but we're also a unit of like, we're also kind of a super group.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think that more, um, what we should be looking at them at. [SPEAKER_03]: I do think they kind of invalidate the existence of natural lives entirely. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think we've talked about whether the existence of natural lives is still necessary for going on probably three years of doing these cookies. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It was a joke. [SPEAKER_03]: Like the love and peace thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think they just came up with it as a joke. [SPEAKER_03]: They were kind of riffing through [SPEAKER_03]: what he was going to say to you like they told him just like okay you know just I'm up with something as a signing bonus type of thing and love and piece of just something he came up with on on the spot so um I didn't think but I guess somebody ended up liking it and they ran with it it's cool you know I didn't think they need I it was while it is ironic that gold class

[SPEAKER_03]: was interesting for three months, and then sucked for three years. [SPEAKER_03]: And then when they finally came around, is when it ended. [SPEAKER_03]: But none of the original members are there. [SPEAKER_03]: Doi, doi is a freelancer, you know, or as you feel, the other guys can go to the guys completely gone. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to get into keeping the name for a long time, because you're not sure if the new unit's gonna get an infant song or not.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like you couldn't be afraid to rebrand. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's fine. [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think it's good to that end. [SPEAKER_03]: I also hope that we get a rebrand if they kick out at some point. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if they kick shoot out, they have to rebrand. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that'd be. [SPEAKER_00]: and say not to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look, you know, I think the love and peace, the five guys that make up that unit, it's my favorite unit in the company now because I think the ceiling of what they can do is incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't love the branding, like I said earlier, I, you know, the comics and systems on wearing ugly gear, and now reach that point. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Say it again. [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's it, him. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't.

[SPEAKER_03]: Comey. [SPEAKER_03]: Comey is very much on like the Mark's intention, Eldra. [SPEAKER_03]: type of thing in that you. [SPEAKER_03]: And necessarily doesn't necessarily want to spend the get entirely new ring gear made so he just keeps breaking out, you know, sending the old gear back to the sewing machine to get recolored. [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's mind. [SPEAKER_00]: He's as good of a restaurant as he is and yet he looks as bad as he does. [SPEAKER_03]: It's awful.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is awful. [SPEAKER_03]: Read the costume is loud. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I can go back to the book to go back to the book to go back to the [SPEAKER_03]: the long pants though. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely a big big fan of thinking going back to that look. [SPEAKER_00]: Ben looks great. [SPEAKER_00]: He'll look great. [SPEAKER_00]: Junior looks great.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if I was going to rank out my three favorite wrestlers in the company would be soon for me to junior. [SPEAKER_00]: So I, you know, we've got one of my guys in this unit coming and Rita. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm completely obsessed with. [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're one of the best tag teams at wrestling this year. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the bin and heo team is super exciting. [SPEAKER_00]: So I love this unit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just going to take me a little bit longer. [SPEAKER_00]: to embrace the branding and, and again, the gear thing could be a real issue. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, like, I mean, they look like the, the creamsicle color scheme is a, is a, is a choice, but yeah, I, I think the sum of the, the sum of the parts were despite the name being kind of a total meme and the, the theme song just being heroes by the damn.

[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, yeah, no, I'm, all, [SPEAKER_03]: Big fan of the big fan of love and taste. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a corny name, like everybody, but when they rebranded, you know, when they actually did it, like, I got, you know, like, I think, okay, this is pretty cool. [SPEAKER_03]: I got, I was pulled on it pretty quickly. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I, I like the colors a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, I'm rooting for my hope it goes well. [SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: They have the potential if they really want to just run whatever combination of Z-brats or whatever the healing unit becomes versus love and peace for the next six months. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's, those are the two units that have the highest ceiling with one another. [SPEAKER_00]: I really like their chemistry. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, agreed.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think you can have that kind of beat. [SPEAKER_03]: And we've seen it, you know, over the last two weeks, you know, from Corrican, Pupuoka, Kyoto, back in Corrican again, it's been, [SPEAKER_03]: The rest versus love and peace in various constellations, the elimination map in Fukuoka would great. [SPEAKER_03]: I love that the stuff in Corcorcan has been really good. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the three ways, the three ways going to be pretty insane, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do, which of the two do you think? [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're only walking out with one title map out of the two. [SPEAKER_03]: Might be, might end up being zero, but I think one Mac, which, which of the two would you go with? [SPEAKER_03]: If you if only one of the two love and peace being could win, would you go on with it? [SPEAKER_00]: I think there are mortal lock for the twin gate belts. [SPEAKER_00]: I would be stunned if they lost that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think zebra as well retain the triangle gate, but I don't, I would be absolutely stunned if been and he'll lost in the twin gate match. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's kind of the other way around. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sell me on that because I'm curious. [SPEAKER_03]: But this is just more kind of a gut feeling and reading the feeling than something I'm pulled on myself.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be like a belt shot, not shot, interference type of ending to the twin gate. [SPEAKER_03]: That was otherwise mean, otherwise mean, or I have nothing to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be that would be disappointing because I was thinking last night when I was starting to get my thoughts together for this show is like man that Ben and heo team is really fresh. [SPEAKER_00]: They have very good chemistry.

[SPEAKER_00]: We saw that in Las Vegas when they team with one another and it was like, oh, wow, that's a thing. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing they could very easily run within the have. [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, obviously think the world of. [SPEAKER_00]: Jason, I think the the world of this Jason manure team, but they've been champions for six months. [SPEAKER_00]: They've had two defenses and a bin and heo twin gate run.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think would be a total shot of the arm for that division. [SPEAKER_00]: I really like to see that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: I won a hundred. [SPEAKER_03]: If it were up to me, loving people to walk out with bull with bullpitals, but I think I think it best they're getting one. [SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I almost feel like in that triangle game, actually, again, I think zebra's would retain, but well, I was gonna say, because you've got Monte and Flamita sticking around, but Bindito seems to be going home after world, right? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys think? [SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys think of him?

[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't, there's been times that he's been pretty bad, but in general, he's been fine, but I haven't, I also like, [SPEAKER_03]: would it like if we never came again like I wouldn't I wouldn't be bothered. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is this is where I've landed is if he gets a second to or great, you know, I'm all for anybody getting over in Draingate. [SPEAKER_00]: I wish they had the budget to have a few more whether it be American indie guys or luxury guys on the roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've always liked that aspect of this promotion. [SPEAKER_00]: Do I think Ben Dito has done anything that would warrant dragon gates spinning the money on a plane ticket for a second to or no, I do not, you know, you look at the work that leads to consistently does. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me to just he blows me away. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me talk a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me talk a little bit seriously into somebody every time he comes over.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is tremendously unfortunate. [SPEAKER_00]: You're right. [SPEAKER_00]: But at the very least, there's work there with the lead to that I think it's incredible. [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't think it's, you know, it's the problem with him is that it's taken or leave him. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he hasn't left a really strong impression. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's had the time to do so. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's been over here since the beginning of May now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel like he's going to be coming back. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a little situational though like there's some guys like Rita having him against Rita in this match.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really helps not because I feel like that it it seems like for lack of better words like guys who are willing to kind of fly around at least work around him seem to be doing work or doing best work with him and at least like I think that [SPEAKER_01]: Overall, Ben Dito, like I don't think he's having as bad of a tour say as like the initial days of Dia Monte, but I do think that if you're trying to, it's not like dissimilar from what's his name. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm blanking on him.

[SPEAKER_01]: He ended up doing Vice Principal's after he got injured case. [SPEAKER_01]: The guy with Gabe's ring. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Peter Kossa. [SPEAKER_01]: Kossa. [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like it's not to similar to how Peter Kossa really was a case of you want to have the right people around him to make it work here and I feel like you almost get that with this at least Ben Dito in the three way. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would kind of like you were asking me to play Ben Dito somewhere.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would have somewhere above Jimmy, but below Peter Kossa. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I would agree with that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably like a calculator. [SPEAKER_00]: He really was. [SPEAKER_00]: The bummer with Bindita was there's just other guys that I would rather see in that position. [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather see the Panther brothers actually wrestle and get it not just train there, or some of the guys in Vegas that we saw just I feel like we're doing better fits.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd bring him over in a heartbeat. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he can with the, and now I don't know what's left of WWE ID, you know, that idea has completely flamed out, but very. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, I don't, Mike, do you hear anybody talk about ID anymore? [SPEAKER_01]: The only time you hear ID talked about is at least after WrestleMania weekend because ID kind of was the top of the week in case of your member.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it does seem like the only time to kind of pops up when it's doing a booking against someone from a notable parent company like if it would like if someone for me W's on a card against Marcus Mathers like my only [SPEAKER_01]: thing that I have about Marcus was during that Wednesday night Dragon Gate USA show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a pretty good amount of Marcus Mathers before WWE, WWE ID, and him coming out and immediately doing like hard cam working and going like, oh, well, they they've already indoctrinated him a little bit, but

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that whenever Dragon Gate has been in the U.S., the people that have worked best with a Dragon Gate, guys, I would say Marcus Mathers probably is number one outside of people like Swan who, of course, have that backstory and history with Dragon Gate to kind of do that. [SPEAKER_01]: If Mathers is available and you don't have to deal with any of Gapes of Polsky's history on XI go for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: If I would, if you, if I had to pick, you know, if not Ben Dito, who, then I'd be bringing Kuhui in a heartbeat. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And we saw them team together in Vegas, Ben Dito and Kuhui. [SPEAKER_00]: And we were like, oh, well, that's clearly that's something. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the way those two guys look is really compelling at the very least, but after seeing Ben Dito solo on a tour, I think I would rather see Kuhui than Ben Dito.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: For matter, I guess, I don't feel it value. [SPEAKER_03]: There would be any great wrestler, of course. [SPEAKER_03]: So aside from like, well, he can come and upgrade matches. [SPEAKER_03]: I guess as long as there's this vector of, again, I don't really know exactly what being WWE ID entails. [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't have anybody does at this point.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it like a letter of intent to a college type of thing and that you committed to go there after a certain time or is it like or is it like someone like you got drafted and now someone owns your right and they can. [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's more my reading for matters specifically.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's you know [SPEAKER_00]: At some point, if he actually organically catches on, he's going to be signed to a real contract and a heartbeat and he'll have to cancel, you know, three months of booking that they won't let him do anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: So he's growing their one way or another. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of when that happens. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And that kind of where I was going with it and that why we the money on a plate for him to come in.

[SPEAKER_03]: for, you know, a tour, and yeah, you know, sure, you know, great matches. [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think WWE ID is a drawing point. [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's, you know, like WWE fans are not going to say, oh, the WWE, this guy's WWE ID and he's in Brian Gates, look what's trying to get because he's there. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, they're going to be WWE fans and just look down on it until he gets called up and then, you know, whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: So do you realize this WWE guy went to Dragon Gate and had these great matches because he's WWE talent, whatever, whatever fuck they say. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I don't see wasting the money in the time on a flight to bring him in, pushing him, giving matches. [SPEAKER_03]: There's no point bringing him in and having him put over. [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, I haven't lose everybody. [SPEAKER_03]: You can come in and lose the dice.

[SPEAKER_03]: You put a saw hard on consecutive nights and then go home. [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, that's not. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that helped anybody. [SPEAKER_03]: And as long as they're the, at the end of the day, if you're bringing somebody in for one of these chores, you're hoping that there's a reason to bring them back at the end. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's for someone that's WWE ID that you can't count on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, you know, it's hard, it's hard in that aspect. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then you're kind of getting into, like what we've talked about on past episodes with you, Jay, in that why should Dragon Gate then invest in someone and have them take up a bus seat and a spot on the cards when who's to say one day triple H decides, hey, Marcus, we want you now.

[SPEAKER_01]: like you don't get anything out of it in the end and the WWE ID thing, that's not going to be, and you'd be a better judge of this than I am, but I would guess that the idea of having someone as WWE ID going over to Japan means absolutely nothing to the fanbase as like a draw a value. [SPEAKER_01]: So why invest in that when you could have someone [SPEAKER_01]: in the dojo either natively or so it's an international wrestler committing to dragon gate. [SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why have one person be a dragon gate wrestler? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like it kind of, and it's way kind of turns out to be kind of that old conundrum kind of popping up again with him. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a hundred percent. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's kind of, I'm personally kind of at point where, well, you know, we got mom today.

[SPEAKER_03]: We got a whole [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, put me to when he comes in. [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of think that's enough right now. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when when food isn't getting booked, isn't getting matches. [SPEAKER_03]: When Oxy isn't getting matches. [SPEAKER_03]: When Kimura is debuting in a month, it's going to be, you know, fighting for matches.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't really think this is the time to be, you know, spending money on flight for a guy who may or may not get over. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm with you on that. [SPEAKER_01]: It's also a situation like we just taking like this Kobe world card at at its hole and looking at it, kind of that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're already like struggling to find places to put your problem dragons and your Sachi boys and the people that show up only for like these kind of cards.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then are you really when you want to find a reason to put [SPEAKER_01]: Cogatora on a Kobe World card when he's not in a title situation is it really worth giving up like that kind of spot for the potential of someone else coming in for it and I feel like I'm largely with you like it if there was some International Younger Esler who wanted to just do go through the system and go through it for Dragon Gate.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing, but it's just as we've seen through time Jay that [SPEAKER_01]: those kinds of individuals truly end up being far and far between and then the specter of money always kind of comes into it if they're an international wrestler down the line. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, pack, pack, ricochet, uh, you know, those guys were [SPEAKER_03]: What? [SPEAKER_03]: Just teenagers ago now?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the fifteen years. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, pack was almost twenty years ago. [SPEAKER_03]: Side L was almost twenty years ago. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Rick is, Rick is, it was only around for, even Rick is, it was only around for three and a half years. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, for New Japan, picked him up. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, people of that level of talent are going to be all elite or assigned to NXT.

[SPEAKER_03]: Long before they have a chance to make a pack. [SPEAKER_03]: Ricochet, Uha, level of reputation in Dragon Gate. [SPEAKER_03]: New Japan's different, New Japan's different. [SPEAKER_03]: But even then, I don't have the impression that they have the days of Kenyan, Kenyan, Osprey, and it is dialed there far behind the foreigners over there. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they were championing again, I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Gabe kid's really good, but whatever they're doing with him, booking is not helping. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think last time we talked some guy had never heard of it getting in. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't call him newman. [SPEAKER_00]: And that match ended up big fantastic. [SPEAKER_00]: It was new when a goto was really good. [SPEAKER_03]: What is it? [SPEAKER_03]: That's all good. [SPEAKER_03]: Good. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm good. [SPEAKER_03]: That sucks for goto.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that really does suck. [SPEAKER_03]: That sucks. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know if he got injured. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they've got [SPEAKER_03]: It's forbidden door, forbidden door in London. [SPEAKER_03]: But we're forbidden door in London, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then there are mocks, probably a couple months after that, too. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go. [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. [SPEAKER_00]: Jay, what do you know about the kid debuting in August?

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know nothing about him. [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I have it. [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully I can get my debriefing on him this weekend. [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's like, I believe he has a judo background. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I like that. [SPEAKER_03]: I believe he has a judo background. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, don't want me on that because we got like I said I haven't talked in directly yet, but it's bad. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's actually a vision for like two weeks ago or two.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, he started to get the vision. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you have one? [SPEAKER_03]: Was he doing them in support? [SPEAKER_03]: No, because that was to do good. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was also, yeah, they did. [SPEAKER_01]: They were rerunning, uh, Oshima, because Oshima's from Hokkaido, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's Hokkaido. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and he more, uh, and comics dad didn't start doing, um, future matches until like June. [SPEAKER_03]: So he has turned around. [SPEAKER_03]: Super fact. [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: Super. [SPEAKER_01]: But NSE, eighteen, nineteen, I guess, without being that fast of a turnaround. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no, they're both him and comics, betterable, twenty three. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, twenty three, he's twenty three.

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, twenty three, comics, that is twenty three. [SPEAKER_03]: Look, fifty three. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, some of us get this curse. [SPEAKER_01]: We can't help it, you know? [SPEAKER_03]: I was telling you, I was talking to somebody about this. [SPEAKER_03]: Like one of the rest is like, you know, I think Tommy's dad and then they stopped and looked at it. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was calling him Tommy's dad for, you know, six months.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I said it to one of the, one of the rest is, and they looked at they stopped and you could see them. [SPEAKER_03]: thinking about it. [SPEAKER_03]: And then they started laughing. [SPEAKER_03]: Though we, that they should do the reverse little Suzuki Junior with it, that, you know, they have Bigihara, they've come a, from, you know, from an attack. [SPEAKER_03]: And Kame invites him to join, you know, to team with love and peace on a show.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then you reveal that his name isn't Bigihara, his name is John Kame, or Kame senior. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have him also tag with Ben and that can be the the oldest looking twenty and thirty old tag team ever. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, look thirty the second he showed up. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm, you know, comedy can be like. [SPEAKER_03]: Jack's my father. [SPEAKER_03]: Call me Jackie. [SPEAKER_03]: But I him, him, Oshima and did you Gucci? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, did you get to see how she might have been getting a very long time for them now? [SPEAKER_01]: And with Oshaman, that there's always going to be the thing of waiting to see what whenever they're in Hokkaido.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like I kind of figured if he was progressing right, then back in May, what have been his debut at least because of been over a year and I know that he's done at least two of those tours because that's usually when I remember, oh wait, Oshmasil in the dojo. [SPEAKER_01]: And now are we waiting for it? [SPEAKER_01]: Now feels like we're waiting till September before they would probably make it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't like maybe because they haven't been doing exhibitions. [SPEAKER_03]: There will be like those who really didn't show any show much in the in the Hokkaido stuff like Kimura. [SPEAKER_03]: I actually did when he maybe is just because he's so much bigger than to be hard.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: That I was like, okay, but like he kind of jumped [SPEAKER_03]: out from that again I didn't I absolutely did not expect to be the soon but he was the one that out of the four was showed something so well apparently they think they think the same so let's see let's see what they what they do with him now he's got he's good looking he's pretty you know he's got that's inside on him and uh boy you know he's got really

[SPEAKER_03]: unfortunate, but cute boy that will make him endearing. [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like Akki Harrow. [SPEAKER_03]: They can probably put him in Akki Harrow together with the listing guy. [SPEAKER_01]: They could be the lineman. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, they could get. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: did do the football pads on a hockey was that. [SPEAKER_01]: A straight thought just flew into my mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: The other person that conveys that and can make kind of look like I don't know where he is. [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of dropped off the map. [SPEAKER_01]: Got to find where Masato Yakuciji from Mitch and Ogunosaka Pro goes and he can show him as they're a long last uncle. [SPEAKER_03]: I think I know. [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably great granddad at this point. [SPEAKER_01]: That is true. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he would be.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw the news that your mask for is about to retire. [SPEAKER_01]: So like he has to be at least mid-fifties now. [SPEAKER_01]: Ten years to late. [SPEAKER_01]: Come back. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There was the moment of wait. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he already did retire.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, talking about mask men and the limitations of, you know, if Sean worked to work, leave that, that being a mask man, it's probably the thing that would limit him with app his feelings, the most anywhere, but like that guy keep in the tiger mask mask and on for, you know, forty-five years or however long as he's been wrestling is like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: He'll feel like the thing that made everybody lose interest in him during the dark ages of New Japan.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's also something of what would that guy be without that mask for the last fifteen years? [SPEAKER_01]: Or what do you just mean? [SPEAKER_01]: Back in exchange for it. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, who was? [SPEAKER_03]: I thought I was maybe different, but you know, who was Continental before he took the mask off, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, no, that is true. [SPEAKER_03]: Who was, um, I don't know who is, who was Luis Montague before he took the math card?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, Luis Luis Montague. [SPEAKER_03]: Who is Luis Montague? [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great question. [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I feel like I knew twenty-twenty-two D. Montague better than I knew, twenty-twenty-five Luis Montague. [SPEAKER_03]: Where do you think he is? [SPEAKER_00]: God, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I like him and Fulmeta as a team so much. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think you want that. [SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, well, I guess it's whatever comes of decour.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, you know, and this gives us a chance to talk about the brave game match here with Tanaka and UT. [SPEAKER_00]: And I made the joke to Mike last week, I go, you know, if we didn't know what the dream gate match was, I think they were pushing Tanaka for a dream gate challenge with how hard he's been pushed, which is great. [SPEAKER_00]: I love a focused and well-built brave game match, which is what we have here.

[SPEAKER_00]: it does it does seem like just based on math and bodies available that Monte would end up and whatever becomes of this three-man decourage unit assuming they want to shuffle the deck on them. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would love to see Mochizuki Dojo, those kids get into a unit, decourage do something else and throw Monte in there with them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, um, yeah, I, I, I, the brave gate and I [SPEAKER_03]: going to be going to be difficult because this one kind of like whole guys have very, very logical reason to win. [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we can't from our bookings, but I guess from the April wrestling bookings standpoint of it. [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the ways that where you hate you really hate to see either guy lose.

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's more, maybe more, how I should frame it. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the thing with UT is ultimately to Tanaka, I think you're building up as a guy who one day will headline this show. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's worth it to have him win. [SPEAKER_00]: This is that we've seen the peak of UT's career, which him winning the belt. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love, I love the match that he won. [SPEAKER_00]: Dead or alive. [SPEAKER_00]: I love the junior match.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would be all for it if he was brave gay champion again and had a much longer reign. [SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: I think they've actually perfectly served the purpose of UTS champion to get him that amazing moment in Agoya. [SPEAKER_00]: And then to have him continue to be a strong, incredible champion only to get squash like a bug by Tanaka. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that kind of, yeah, that's kind of where I am.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think if it were me, you know, I wouldn't get squash like a bug. [SPEAKER_00]: But no, but a dominant dominant one. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, this would be. [SPEAKER_03]: Joker, yeah, across the paper, kick out Joker strizer or the, the front of the, the pre-mort one Eddie does and, you know, new, new champion for sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, there, I don't really talk about, we've probably talked about this a million times about, you know, the idea of [SPEAKER_03]: is when you have moment. [SPEAKER_03]: We were framing it. [SPEAKER_03]: I've probably talked about this four years ago when it was the world double main of that, where it was KZ, you know, KZ showed an mention, Yamato.

[SPEAKER_03]: In kind of the, I think we were framing it in the context of Kofi Mania at the time, where the moment, Kofi, you'll Kofi winning the title, or in the context of that, KZ winning the title, you've got the moment that was enough. [SPEAKER_03]: And is that the case now with UT that you had the moment and that was enough? [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it really, really disappointing to see him finally get the moment and have it be over so quickly?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in this specific context, again, it's to knock on. [SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody knows that this is only the beginning for Tanaka success at this event specifically. [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't imagine a better use of UT where it leaves us wanting more and it leaves the door open for now a second brave gate run. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they nailed [SPEAKER_00]: This twelve-year bill essentially to him winning a debtor alive. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, they got that moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: We all enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_00]: He can now win it again at a cork in or a soccer number two or, you know, if they ever find another venue in the Goia, they can do all of that. [SPEAKER_00]: What I don't want is to be rolling into November for the two night gate of destiny in UT beats Tanaka here. [SPEAKER_00]: And then let's say he beats Rita. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, oh, is it going to be UT and punch for the brave gate belt at that point?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's going to be horribly depressing. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's what I mean, that kind of the fear of the breaking general because it can very well be really and punch. [SPEAKER_03]: That's true. [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think you can't, you couldn't have drawn up a better scenario for UT to win and then subsequently lose the title and have a defense in the middle of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is when I think about it when I really zoom out on this booking, it's actually been incredibly well built. [SPEAKER_00]: It's phenomenal that they've gotten to this position. [SPEAKER_00]: everything should be telling you, okay, UT, thank you so much. [SPEAKER_00]: You've done a great job. [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations on all the merch you've sold. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll circle back to you having the brave date belt again in six months.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is really it in August time because, you know, based on what Tanaka's doing with his body, this might be the only time that he's able to win the brave gate belt, too. [SPEAKER_03]: He's probably probably the lightest he'd ever been in his life at this point. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: He just looks insane. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of blown away by it. [SPEAKER_00]: But he looks good. [SPEAKER_00]: He just looks insane.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was, they had him at Seventy when he used to get any when he debuted. [SPEAKER_03]: He's probably probably at around Seventy right now, which is insane. [SPEAKER_03]: How much of that is, how much of that is insane volume on his pair, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess.

[SPEAKER_03]: Again, previous, the thing, yeah, if it were me really walking out of this, but what did, what has given me pause on this is, I really like the idea that UT has spent so long as the underdog spending so long as [SPEAKER_03]: someone who was in the, I don't want to say lower here, but I've got, you know, being in the rookie ranking tournament in two thousand nineteen, when he was six years into his career. [SPEAKER_03]: And everybody else was one, one to three years.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, okay, the, how long is he gonna be classified as a young guy? [SPEAKER_03]: And him, not, him being so focused on winning the brave data, him being, [SPEAKER_03]: being so focused on coming back from injuries or being so focused on all these things that he didn't notice that he's currently becoming old guy and he's not a guy scratching at the gate. [SPEAKER_03]: He's the guy holding the gate now.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that that perspective was very compelling and having him knock back some of the young guys is [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I do think there is a path with that because the potential, like you mentioned, you know, is it going to be, we get to get a desk and either we got punch left. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's a brave gate problem, not a YouTube champion problem. [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say that we have the larger issue of that it has felt like that this has been a belt that was dominated by very few people and then other people just always kind of hung around at that division when there was not anything else for them to do. [SPEAKER_01]: And until kind of there are [SPEAKER_01]: It better routes out for like your punched hominogas.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like we're firmly past the time of Monday where you're showing up asking for a brave gate title match, but you have like that this is always kind of been a sticky belt where you would have people that are usually not [SPEAKER_01]: Like featured players just out of nowhere going like, yes, I'm punch him in augum a former brave gay champion.

[SPEAKER_01]: I should have a title match here and and I think that that goes back to what is this title really about and yeah does feel like that when we had this tournament. [SPEAKER_01]: to crown the new one, having people like heo and the tournament seem to kind of tip the hand that they still kind of have this problem with the belt. [SPEAKER_01]: I do think an argument for UT at least.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can offer the idea of like, we've had Tanaka really be this figure throughout the last month, but in getting kind of the upper hand in matches and at least showing that he has now the double cross saber as like another finish along with the firebird.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like the aspect to UT that he showed in the Mocha Zuki Junior match of basically [SPEAKER_01]: Not being a Yuki Yoshio, a Terminator, but being kind of the guy that is like, oh, you're going to give me your best shot, but you're going to have to solve my problem of how I'm going to wrestle you before I get you to tap out. [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like you could have an aspect with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: with the Sanaka match of how much is UT able to with like his ring skill and like the adaptation to try to get him out of those situations and it does kind of to me it feels like a more compelling kind of title reign to have a guy in this as a champion who presents like a different kind of match on the card then [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like we can kind of think in our mind, go like, what Rio, you have to knock out as Brave Gate Champion is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's a lot of other Brave Gate champions we've seen over the recent years. [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's me being a UT fan and then enjoying the his take on Yaveo and that. [SPEAKER_01]: But I kind of wanted to see him [SPEAKER_01]: be that gatekeeper as you're saying, Jay, and be that problem that he, that the young were also members have to figure out before moving up the car.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's that is, at least for me enough of a reason to want UT to retain the belt. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And that brings up a good point of like kind of the story of his defenses so far. [SPEAKER_03]: doing your pinned him with German Suplex, so you immediately set out to find a way to counter the German Suplex. [SPEAKER_03]: And he was able to successfully do that and turn it into eventually what won the match for him against Junior.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now with really, it's been figuring out the cross-saber. [SPEAKER_03]: And he figured out ways to counter the cross-saber, like he's pinned him. [SPEAKER_03]: Pinned him with a counter to it, but at the same time, he's also been pinned by it, so he hasn't completely figured it out yet, so that's kind of the race against the clock.

[SPEAKER_03]: Will you be able to figure out the way to counter the move that's been put into the trouble spot from his opponent, and then how he solved the puzzle? [SPEAKER_03]: At the end, I think would be a really satisfying, it would make for a very satisfying title reign, like you said. [SPEAKER_03]: that, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at the roster right now and I'm trying to figure out who, so just this is in the order that they're on on the homepage.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, easy, you can be a free breath, only home are a diarrhea, yamato, probably cognitive, probably cognitive Torah, hoho, Buddha, Dikes, [SPEAKER_02]: Hill, Tommy, Rita, Jr. [SPEAKER_03]: Hunt, Kimata, Yosuke, and so are the only ones that make Brave Gate wait. [SPEAKER_04]: So there you go. [SPEAKER_04]: Ben, Ben, Dito has a profile, and I won't pay it, but I'll probably be coming back. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I noticed that too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a real interesting kind of groupings when you have to have the eighty-two kilos because [SPEAKER_01]: there are people there that you could just immediately go, you know, uh, uh, Esra is doing great stuff internationally. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to be doing his visa stop for a brave gate shot. [SPEAKER_03]: And you have to renew the visa. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And they're after him in the current climate. [SPEAKER_03]: There's no guarantee you're going to get a new one. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's fair.

[SPEAKER_03]: I heard that there's like, like, there's a lot of, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that he has a green card, but just like, I would not necessarily be wanting to chance getting back in if I had qualms, you know. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, so when did I still leave last year after World, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It was after World. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that means, you know, clock is probably taking on his visa. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, much to his own secret.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to have to come back to do the paperwork at some point. [SPEAKER_03]: And then he might be stuck at your pan. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then he then we might be a stray brave gate dream might come true then. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, you know, and he's got a new look over there. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's kind of will Lee kind of moved moved away from the alien and then like the fifth.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now he's, um, you know, he's got kind of the ThIE inspired gear going and like a thumb and kind of like, uh, you know, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I haven't, you know, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to be getting booked pretty consistently now. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't the case before. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was the case.

[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I mean, he seems, he seems to be busy, which makes me happy. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if he, even if it's just a routine paper work, he'll be able to be absolutely miserable the entire time he's back here. [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he seems to get on a pretty solid work in Austin too. [SPEAKER_01]: In Texas. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you know, UFC is a Mexico visa. [SPEAKER_03]: I have to teach all the different things, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: You could only get more go to the UFC's and just be based out of Mexico permanently, maybe. [SPEAKER_03]: fly, you know, do Mexico, Canada and everywhere else and it's not that putting you up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would dub the interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, he seems to be getting booked, which is nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Although I would like to see him have a few months in drink and I look, watch on the guy work.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually now seeing him in that as I get up. [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is actually by far his best mask that he has with kind of the shoulder tassels, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no. [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting with the Brave Gate. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I mean, now firmly you could say, you could say Gucci is like fully in it, Nike is in that division who's to say if Buddha gets the string together and finally get that Brave Gate shot, he wanted.

[SPEAKER_01]: Although, like, I feel like I can only speak myself. [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping for like a completely refresh break gate division. [SPEAKER_01]: They're does seem to be an option there. [SPEAKER_01]: And then I mean for Tanaka, there's also the, I mean, talking about that double header in Osaka too. [SPEAKER_01]: They might, they might be some emergency there about making sure he can do that appearance in his home building and have the belt there for that too.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I think [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe I'm just being a UT Homer a little bit, but it does, I do feel like that this is, whereas I feel like that the twin gate, I'm a little bit more with case and expecting that to be a title switch here, I think you can make an argument really for other guys. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's closer to a coin flip than we like to think.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I said, one of those you hate to hate to get a guy loose in the, um, [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: What do you, what do you, what do you, what do you do? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of like, like, I'm kind of like, I'm not into it this time around at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it served its purpose in the tag league, but maybe maybe Sahara's injury just throw us a timing of it, but now it's weird because you have the dikey thing where it's like, okay, I'm not going to be the cork and employee anymore, but then nothing changed about him other than he's not wearing a jacket to the ring. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, man, that's a parlor. [SPEAKER_03]: That's very the broom in a bag anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, man, I thought we were going to get a much harder reset on die key than we did. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm ready to break them up and just throw them in units and see what happens. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, I don't have a specific plan. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I held on to food a stock for as long as I could. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I finally sold all my shares on food. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not, I'm not out of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I love Nike and I love Sahara and [SPEAKER_00]: I just think the quicker those guys can be integrated into a non-Rookie role. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for decades, two and a half years, first of all, are you coming up on a year? [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to see these guys get sort of thrown into the deep and see what happens. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought after Mochi Dreamgate match, I thought that that was where I thought for sure that they were going to end it there. [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe there's something, maybe there's something else planned. [SPEAKER_03]: for in the after world after Otaku. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cause then you have to think about what you do of Mochi too, because other than like, you don't have to do anything with them, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's just kind of here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just kind of felt like that. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go ahead. [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, that's who he was from, two thousand six to two thousand eleven and then again from two thousand twelve to [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, mochi doesn't need anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I guess like my more my main point of that is at least when you had like mochi dojo, you would have mochi zucchini teaming with these guys against the veteran's unafiliated sides and you had a little bit of juice to the matches because it was kind of rookie's versus vets there and him going and doing like a five way TV title match. [SPEAKER_01]: or going back and just been like Mochi Fuji and Ultima versus Horiguchi Sachi and Don Fuji.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that he will go back there and be fine. [SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of like that we had some more stuff going on with Mochi this year when it felt like after I'm three K that was it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I see what you're saying, but I think ultimately with Mochi, like you can [SPEAKER_03]: You still would perk up if you looked at a card, you saw, you know, oh, most you're teeming with Kimura on this show.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't really, I don't think you need to explicitly have most of the kidojo for that for those types of situations to be interesting, to happen and to be interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, and especially with the way of the undercard being what it is being able to plug them in there and still have a little bit of juice when it is someone like that is definitely. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: With Mochi, you know, the story with him is always just when you think Mochi doesn't have a place anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: He finds a way to make a place for himself. [SPEAKER_03]: until he's a hundred years old and dead. [SPEAKER_03]: And even after he's dead, that's going to be, that's always the most interesting part of Mochi is the how he finds this when he thinks he's irrelevant, he makes himself relevant again.

[SPEAKER_03]: And explicitly attaching him to Mochizuki Dojo, I think, takes away some of the, somebody intrigue of that because it more, [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it gives chances for the heels to say things like, you know, while you're, you're trying to, you're, you're touching yourself to these young guys to keep your own name relevant. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there is that aspect to it, but, um, I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[SPEAKER_03]: And also, as long as it exists, you kind of have the feeling that the young guys are just, there's a lot of them. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's plot it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, since we're in the domain of Masaki mochizuki, the one thing on this car that I'm struggling with, because I'm pumped for Kukuta and strong machine J, like I said, I really know all the title matches except for this five-way guy or a TV title match.

[SPEAKER_00]: J, am I, am I looking at this the wrong way? [SPEAKER_00]: Is this a match that I should be optimistic for? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm a little bummed at all of the great wrestlers that are attached to Yoshida, or I guess I should say to Kashi at this match. [SPEAKER_03]: If that didn't exist, what would it be doing? [SPEAKER_00]: This is the argument that I can't get past in my own head, but I just feel like, I feel like there's a better option out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know what that option is. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, looking, looking at the. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm on man out of zebra, so you kind of need to plug them in somewhere. [SPEAKER_03]: You take, you, it would be motion, do a, would be thrown into the opener. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Easy, Casey's got nothing. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be actually before this became a five way.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking along the line of they would hold the machine to kick the single until Otaku. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: And do machine to kick the Kai and have it and have it and another no contest or no DQ. [SPEAKER_03]: because you've got, because the rest of the card is so strong that you don't necessarily need this year.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, but, you know, with the fact that McKinjaing Peak does a single match here, then, you know, there's nothing else for KZ, you know, for KZing Kai to do, and you do KZ Kai singles match, but, you know, I don't necessarily think that. [SPEAKER_03]: Markidly better over the over what this is. [SPEAKER_03]: you know, considering the fact that the rest of the card is what it is, you know, I'm not, I'm not angry.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: If this was twenty twenty two when we were getting this match, I think I'd really have to look at the mirror, but there's six matches on this card that I'm super excited about and this one. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, I mean, it would be interesting if a dragon gate wrestler put the championship from Takashi, because then you could talk [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the Pacoci boom is in so-and-full swing over there.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if someone like KZ, you know, KZ were to win, KZ has never been over, like even though Doy or Kai would be kind of un-not interesting because Doy is a regular over there in Kai, it's from there. [SPEAKER_03]: But let's go to your KZ, winning it, and now a drag and gate wrestler has firmly taken the Gower TV Championship as taken the All-Japan Championship. [SPEAKER_03]: That is, that is a gallery championship. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think that there's some views in that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, and then it trades around to get for a while before going either somebody from all Japan comes and takes it back or talk off. [SPEAKER_03]: He wins it back at the end. [SPEAKER_01]: So what's a caution? [SPEAKER_01]: Of course he's now drop Yoshida and the YouTube is now seems to be his number one kind of outlet.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got like his YouTube theme song one cork and and [SPEAKER_01]: The top we got in the response from it, it made me a little shocked that why why we didn't start just using that for now on for him because like him coming out with the cyber number is kind of weird a little bit. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one hundred one hundred for that. [SPEAKER_03]: When he came out to the regular music, oh, and I looked at each other with the same look on our face.

[SPEAKER_03]: That, you know, does absolutely should have been absolutely, one hundred for that. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm completely completely completely with you on that. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting to go our TV aspect of it. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess like the bit of me that once Mochi to win it would then be like, all right, let's look at all the his titles that he's one outside of the dragon system.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I really fascinating like he has that GHC national win is that his GHC tag run and then even like [SPEAKER_01]: like the, uh, uh, no salad guaranteed, uh, or the Tokyo guaranteed shows with like those belts. [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if we pull up like his Wikipedia entry and we see, uh, all Japan, gay or a TV champion and his, like accomplishments, it feels right for Mochizuki to have that, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like it, I'm not off on the limb here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't really talk too much about Jay and Kakura. [SPEAKER_01]: Did we kiss? [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think we've just glossed over it a few different times. [SPEAKER_00]: Jay, I'm curious from your perspective, it feels like this is perhaps the most complete that strong machine Jay has ever felt.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously it helps that Kukuta is doing the work that he's doing and I've been blown away by just how naturally Kukuta has transitioned from decouraged his e-brats. [SPEAKER_00]: But what are your thoughts specifically on what strong machine Jay has brought to this future so far? [SPEAKER_03]: He made great. [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't, he didn't, he didn't cruddle.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he close everything very seriously, you know, like there's no going through the motions in anything with him. [SPEAKER_02]: So when there's pressure on him, I mean, he's always delivered.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the, the, the, the last year, the arc from [SPEAKER_03]: into the cage match into you know him being devastated at the first year the the first base I show to how how he portrayed himself in the build up and him coming back becoming leader leader of natural lives and everything like he's been doing excellent work for for I mean shit almost two years now over two years now if you [SPEAKER_03]: consider everything leading up to leading up to the cave map.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, problem is he's wearing a dead single it right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that can't help. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I also, you know, because we've talked about that before, where it's like, okay, well, there's a look and maybe that's holding him back, but also he is he is strong machine J. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I don't know how to pivot that character unless you're going to completely rebrand him, and maybe he keeps the mask, but then goes under a different name.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's okay. [SPEAKER_03]: That was super strong with being and losing, I mean, he came out and said, you're here at the, and then he was here at the, you know, that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be stunned if they took the mask off him without a mask match, but, well, you know, that's where I thought this was going. [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that this was finally going to be it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And well, and you've got cocoo to with that head of hair now. [SPEAKER_00]: You'd almost think that they could run this back if they wanted to and do hair versus mask them. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, are you going to shave the doo doo braids? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: That requires a lot of time and effort. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like we see. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: I did initially when I saw his hair getting grown out back earlier this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, Oh, cocoo does going to mark him for possible cage hair loss. [SPEAKER_01]: But as soon as he started doing the braids, I was like, no, he's, you're not going to buzz that off now. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's been great. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've been talking to some people that are trying to do a Dragon Gate catch-up before a world. [SPEAKER_00]: They want to make sure they know what's going on by the time world comes around.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the feedback that I'm getting is that they're really, really impressed with this field. [SPEAKER_00]: They like the way that it's been laid out. [SPEAKER_00]: They like all the non-finishes that have happened. [SPEAKER_00]: They feel, they feel warranted and justified in their minds. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're really impressed with both Kakuja and Strang Machine J. I think this has been a big win for both those guys. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they had a while.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming you guys haven't seen Neil talk a show. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I saw the photo that I got posted with the ring barricade and Kakura and SMJ, I'm looking forward to that. [SPEAKER_01]: That is how I'll be show. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, do you mind if I spoil? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, when we get to move in, I have to give a spoiler. [SPEAKER_03]: Was there anything else on the undercard that we haven't hit yet?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, let's talk about the main event. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, um, go ahead. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, let's talk about the main event. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I always talked to talk a lot about the main event, but I do, what was something, what was from Yamato and the five-minute Corican match? [SPEAKER_02]: Was there anything that stuck out to you from that match? [SPEAKER_03]: that happened during the match.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was kind of noticeable, at least, during that, basically, he kept on going for the blaster throughout, and then kind of turn that blaster into that SSW to get the one that was kind of the thing I noticed was how kind of force the knots move the SSW was. [SPEAKER_01]: The only good jump. [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, go ahead, Jack. [SPEAKER_03]: No, good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say the only thing that jumps out is that my notes when I think back on that match is that shoot at the Oshla for the first time in what feels like forever. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And he won with it today. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: First kind of concerning heal. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: What is where does the name come from? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's a tracking. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what is what is his name? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is the Star Wars reference. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Angela, it took me a second. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a Star Wars thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a light side of the court. [SPEAKER_03]: And I talked to Sean a long time ago when you first turned feel. [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, you don't use the aflo anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, yeah, because [SPEAKER_02]: Angela is the light side of the poor and. [SPEAKER_02]: And. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's. [SPEAKER_02]: There he is there. [SPEAKER_01]: I did not tune together with say a Jedi part about him with that. [SPEAKER_01]: Dang. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the awful kind of kind of the issue that you get that I made the mistake first to until I knew that. [SPEAKER_03]: If you translate it, it gets translated as Asura.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you're just looking at the Japanese result. [SPEAKER_03]: You might not even realize that it's Asura and not Asura. [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: something to think about. [SPEAKER_00]: Some people think about for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the, if there is ever an appropriate usage of the plot thickens, I think it would be there. [SPEAKER_00]: Jay, let me ask you before we go, you know, I think we've praised the booking.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've, you know, we've all got our eyebrows raises if you add a few different things. [SPEAKER_00]: What's the thing you're most looking forward to on Kobe world this year? [SPEAKER_03]: I think get out of the main event. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll be here. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, otherwise I'm most likely the opener is something I'm interested in because I'd be really interested to see one of those three guys can get to get the win.

[SPEAKER_03]: Dike, Fuda, or Aoki. [SPEAKER_03]: I see this is where motion up being in the matter is actually a bonus because, you know, paradox, particularly whole Tsushima and Kage, [SPEAKER_03]: have been, you know, on a bit of a losing, you know, they win, but they've been on a bit of a losing streak losing matches that you wouldn't expect them to lose for particularly Hulk has been getting pinned.

[SPEAKER_03]: And in matches where you wouldn't think Hulk would be the one getting getting the pinned. [SPEAKER_03]: So Buddha, Diky or Aki, getting a big pinball win in the opener, I think would be really cool. [SPEAKER_03]: Yoshiyoka getting the high-fly flow officially, or getting permission to call it proxbash the high-fly flow. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it would be good. [SPEAKER_03]: The triangle gets through it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be insane as always.

[SPEAKER_03]: The twin gate map is probably going to be more along the line. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what can we compare it to. [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of feels like Jay that in the past, when we were talking about Kobe world shows, we would always kind of go like, well, the twin gate match might be a parometer of this being an all time show or this being like a very good one. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the rare Kobe world where the twin gate is not in that position.

[SPEAKER_03]: It feels more of like a horror Gucci title versus single Yamato. [SPEAKER_03]: do like the deal or a hugegie site though. [SPEAKER_03]: And then you have the, you know, Yamato and Shingle. [SPEAKER_03]: Freshly back together as partners are pretty analog to the bank aid and kill. [SPEAKER_03]: So, and, unfortunately, that mess sucks.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully it's not, it's not like that, but that's kind of, that's [SPEAKER_03]: kind of where I have the twin gate plotted in my head right now. [SPEAKER_03]: And then, yeah, I'm on the main of it, but it's, again, like I said, this is, with the current length, give us where I can get this as a depth possible card, they could have put together for the, for the major matches.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you have your big outsider, not really in the title situation you were as in the past, the outsider might be higher up the card right now. [SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, match six. [SPEAKER_01]: So like the go-ton or mission match, we're coming back from a mission match right now. [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like in the past, like, especially when Haromu came in, that was a, it feels like the X and the outsider factor is a lot lower on this one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I'm saying that about Hiroshi Tanahashi, the biggest star in pro wrestling over the last. [SPEAKER_01]: Eighteen years in Japan making an appearance here, but it does really feel like that if you gave someone the dragon gate roster and said you have to build this card based on this roster, I can't think of ways to make this card much better, I think. [SPEAKER_01]: showing the work.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the, and especially for the companies out right now, like this is the biggest car that they can do. [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that this, especially in the, with the way that houses and everything kind of have been and with the schedule changes that like putting this kind of card here at this time and what will be your biggest venue that you'll run. [SPEAKER_01]: up until you run this venue again next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what else you could do to make this car stronger personally. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I really wish, you know, it was really, and again, I don't, it could be something that's being really, really hoping and still am probably misguided. [SPEAKER_03]: This is very misguided, but I'm holding out hope that [SPEAKER_03]: the spot at the end of the year, where Coca-Cola used to be, is going to be the new, the new Kobe venue.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it is, again, I hope it's probably very, very misguided on this. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I ask what I would get as getting my briefing for Corrigan, I was like, is there? [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're in a prize announcement for COVID and they were being on the web, the pre-election of the colonial. [SPEAKER_03]: We haven't heard anything.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it was kind of like, like, I don't know if it's the they haven't heard anything because there isn't anything or they haven't heard anything because they legitimately haven't heard anything. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if I can do what I've done that. [SPEAKER_01]: I gotcha, I gotcha. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think we've talked about this new Kobe venue before. [SPEAKER_01]: Is the how much, oh, what are we talking about size wise?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like are we talking about like a second big show in Kobe or is this going to kind of be added into their rotation the way that like sombo and arts center have been in filling back. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the time to be venue is the new thing of the art basketball venue. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's all that's being built right now. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like you're gonna do the con day to the art. [SPEAKER_03]: place for basketball.

[SPEAKER_03]: The new, the smaller one in, well, I mean, the bare one in Nagoya. [SPEAKER_03]: The new giant venue in Nagoya is the art for basketball. [SPEAKER_03]: And this new one in Kobe state of the art for basketball. [SPEAKER_03]: So just have to hope that these state of the art for basketball, then you eventually become affordable for pro wrestling companies to run. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, now it's a brand new state of the art basketball venue.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's ten thousand people, better access than Kobe World, World Hall. [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it's COVID, so you really want to get there before coming out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, and at least for a company that's always been Kobe and greater concied based having like losing a gate of destiny or body maker one for this time period and that already being able to have another venue there that could be possibly pick up when that's not like the case that's happening really in the Goia. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fascinated by the idea of like having that second Kobe venue.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that especially for like the end of the year shows with how they always would finish up in Kobe, at least like that local fan appreciation show traditionally. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that'd be a real positive sign personally if they end up doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would, you know, unfortunately I don't because my, my instinct is that they because of Kobe.

[SPEAKER_03]: Even if you take a bath on it, you want to run it just to be the first thing computer run there. [SPEAKER_03]: But the reality is, the company can't afford to take a bath on anything. [SPEAKER_03]: The company can't afford to run their water hands under the hose on anything much left. [SPEAKER_03]: Take a bath. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So if they could find the sponsors, if they could get all that to make it happen, I would love to see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I would love for that to be [SPEAKER_03]: The prize on the screen. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know if like, as I know, like, one of the situations, at least with the older venues, especially, well, the international fans might not pick up on, is that most of these venues, like, when they say prefectural, that means it's owned by the prefecture.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do we know if these, I know that the Nagoya one does have a little bit of a public [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's publicly owned, but like at least with the JSA and Sumo being around it, like there is a level of public like interest into it. [SPEAKER_01]: Do we know if the Kobe one is privately owned or if it's owned by the city? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, private.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, because that was always the thing that surprised me when I was looking at like rates was as soon as it's owned by the prefecture, how much cheaper it is in comparative to private venues. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no. [SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty, pretty expensive. [SPEAKER_03]: when I was last looking at it, again, you know, maybe hometown homie just come and get a Hunter. [SPEAKER_03]: Petton for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is the be league really like I've always heard like the soccer league really gaining seem in populate or popularity is the be league is this chasing the fandom or the fan base or is this actually a thing where the be league is kind of making that position to become like a major sport within the country. [SPEAKER_03]: Really have the contact on it. [SPEAKER_03]: All I know is that they're really a lot of really nice things. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: All that you have.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if the demand is because they're they're meeting demand or they're trying to trying to make it a thing. [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, hey, hopefully they're trying to make it a thing and then it doesn't become a thing and then the record down. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it just trickle down and the way that these prefecture gyms kind of like a lot of them were like places at least in Osaka and the goya that were uh, sumo venues that kind of trickle down. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's essentially the case with like sumo hall, but having the ability of like, oh, this uh, that this flash in the pan thing that everyone built these venues for tailed off and now everyone else can use it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That seems to be, but like what at least what kind of I'm hoping for at least. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe all the giant to return for the better that we're built for AI, get turned into when that from that bubble pop. [SPEAKER_03]: We get to go get turned into everything that needs.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's going to be a lot of at least for from what like what buildings that I've seen, like the one that just make like a bunch of dojos, because I feel like that almost like every dojo kind of looks like that. [SPEAKER_01]: And I couldn't, I couldn't get you to do the new one. [SPEAKER_01]: Really sanctuary. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm not going to reveal the sanctuary, literally, maybe three.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is, the dodo is,

[SPEAKER_01]: pick it up, pick it up and put it down, wait, doesn't. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, so you have anything else you wanted to ask you before we get out of here? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited for world. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I try to say this to you every few months, but I think you've developed into, if not the single best play by play guy and all of wrestling, then then absolutely one of the best. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I do?

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, something that maybe you don't believe, but I think you and Ho Ho have just developed into a knockout commentary tag team. [SPEAKER_00]: I look forward to the English commentary on Kobe world. [SPEAKER_00]: I look forward to Kobe world and I don't have anything else. [SPEAKER_00]: It has finally dawned on me that we are a week out from Kobe world and as always, I couldn't be more excited. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it, even if I don't believe it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Funny. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, my, my, uh, [SPEAKER_03]: My team, my immediate team at work got re-orded at the beginning of the year. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like me, our manager is Japanese, which is never a good English. [SPEAKER_03]: And we have another Japanese guy saying they did me who thinks it's English is good, but it's English is not very good. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, girl, she keeps Malaysian, who has a lot of charisma, but is also very, is really green.

[SPEAKER_03]: So she doesn't, she doesn't speak and speak, but she can't speak confidently. [SPEAKER_03]: And then, uh, Brazilian guy who, um, is not comfortable speaking. [SPEAKER_03]: He's in English, but he's not caught. [SPEAKER_03]: He isn't competent enough with it. [SPEAKER_03]: So, unfortunately, who do you think has become the go to person when we need to present [SPEAKER_03]: in front of senior management or presented all hands and present at all these other things.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I can't, I can't escape it. [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think, uh, I think you're excellent. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I, I, I thought the Yamato versus Mochuzuki match for instance. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, hey, I feel like every few months. [SPEAKER_00]: I, I've got a new new match right ago. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the best call J's ever had.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you and Ho Ho, you know, I think you guys have excellent, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: charisma and chemistry with one another. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm very impressed by the entire deal. [SPEAKER_00]: And I, like I said, I can't wait for a world now. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm training, I'm building a, I'm building a, um, an AI, trying to train an AI. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm hoping that it can replace, you can play replacing on commentary.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm currently uploading all of my knowledge to it right now. [SPEAKER_03]: And then I will, I will train it on my voice and then I will. [SPEAKER_03]: I will just I'll be in it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll have them be in the signal over to it and I'll send it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll send it to them. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we need, we need you on the call. [SPEAKER_00]: I will come to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have to say, Jay, I would go for it no more having to worry about making the last train out of Fukuoka. [SPEAKER_01]: You just can just comfort your house. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and this is the last, like I think world is less than I have to travel this year. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm gonna have to go or get a desk in the year or not. [SPEAKER_03]: That's still up until up in the year. [SPEAKER_03]: I was asking, I was like, am I gonna have to go for that?

[SPEAKER_03]: And they looked at me and made the finger thing mean, being money. [SPEAKER_03]: And I hope I don't have to, I hope I don't have to. [SPEAKER_03]: The second fill is a three p.m. [SPEAKER_03]: so it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be too bad. [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be able to get home and it'll get open enough time.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm kind of, I'm kind of really psyched on the idea of after, after this weekend, I don't have to think about leaving my neighborhood aside from going to Clark in Hall, until next year, because I am that much of anxiety or anxiety at this point. [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be amazing. [SPEAKER_01]: Is Korkin going to be the biggest venue for Dragon Gate after the third year? [SPEAKER_01]: After Otaku. [SPEAKER_01]: After Otaku. [SPEAKER_01]: After Otaku.

[SPEAKER_01]: After Otaku, after Otaku, it's Korkin and then, basically, whenever they have Saturdays for big, bigger, quote, quote, then yes. [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing. [SPEAKER_03]: There's no venue over a thousand people until Kukuoka. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was going to be that way by hearing it come out of your mouth. [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of lets it settle and even more. [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the unfortunate reality.

[SPEAKER_03]: When we get to the end and all of, I don't want to go on the attendants, the attendants tell rent against. [SPEAKER_03]: But when we get to the end of the year and everybody is doing their total attendance [SPEAKER_03]: for production for the year. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, driving it's not going to do well this year. [SPEAKER_03]: They're not doing well this year.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, houses have been down compared, you know, compared to last year, cork and especially it's still, you know, pretty difficult and different point in a lot of places. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when, you know, we had, you know, the two days and the first day was all title matches and you kind of see the crowd, you know, like shit, a moral, moral with, you know, desperate out of it's going to, [SPEAKER_03]: going to have more people.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you have to kind of take the optimistic view on it. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, today, the title matches, these are all the Dragongate fans. [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to get the same people tomorrow, plus the Deferado fans. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why tomorrow's going to be the higher attendance. [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, you know, you know. [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, maybe maybe maybe that is the case. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not.

[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it's [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be, you know, it is what it is until kind of using the Nagoya, see you hockey idea, you know? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's no big venues that are, you know, there's no over a thousand seat venues, but there's not a lot of places that you're drawing a thousand people. [SPEAKER_03]: So even if you have a thousand seat venue, if you're only doing [SPEAKER_03]: five hundred six hundred in there anyway, then you feel there's still growth.

[SPEAKER_03]: So as long as, you know, as long as even in this situation, you see growth. [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, Sanbo goes from, I don't know, whatever, whatever the current average for Sanbo Hall is a good pick and number. [SPEAKER_03]: You have to average for Sanbo Hall this year, three, three, fifty. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, let's build on that three, fifty until [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you can afford to run the ten thousand feet new COVID venue.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: So you have to be right now is three hundred and twenty, but there's an entire second floor of seats that you can fill. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just try and fill. [SPEAKER_03]: Hope that you can start putting people in the second floor of seats until Congress center is back open and not hair. [SPEAKER_03]: How the total number is at the end compared compared to other promotions. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, compared to the old vala shock or commitani.

[SPEAKER_03]: or even compared to how Drangated a year ago because the context is in the same. [SPEAKER_03]: Fukuoka is not there and Eddie on isn't there. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, last year, you know, last year, again, attendance numbers and everything, but it was over, it was a week over a hundred thousand. [SPEAKER_03]: I think was the total number at the end and just taking Fukuoka and Eddie on off that, like you're taking big numbers off the board.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it, you have [SPEAKER_03]: to expect to be that way. [SPEAKER_03]: But you have to make the best of it just help you see girls in the venue and the places that you're at now. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think when you look at this Kobe World card, the one thing you can't say is that this company is not trying to put its best foot forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how one can make a card for dragon gate using a dragon gate roster that feels as big as this one that we're going to have next weekend. [SPEAKER_03]: And I, can I make a cryptic comment? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, please. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, please close this out. [SPEAKER_03]: Because I have been spoiled on certain things, not everything. [SPEAKER_04]: OK. [SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be something pretty exciting. [SPEAKER_02]: Can I make this? [SPEAKER_02]: Probably.

[SPEAKER_03]: After all, I don't know exactly when. [SPEAKER_03]: After all, talk to us. [SPEAKER_03]: There's something coming that if it, if it pans out, it would be pretty. [SPEAKER_03]: Should, at least get you guys talking. [SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll keep our eyes and ears peeled at least for that. [SPEAKER_01]: Jay, thank you again for stopping my attention. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not important.

[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, it's not going to do. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, thanks for having me. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, uh, Kobe world is on July, thirteenth from Kobe world, Kenan Hall J, at least in person J for now before J, A.I. [SPEAKER_01]: is launch. [SPEAKER_03]: He will have the call on. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks again, Jay. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll, we'll get you next time. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, guys. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to, I'm going to work.