UFO News with Jason McClellan

scientific investigation. The goal of this podcast is to provide critible news and information to ground this cosmic conversation. Welcome to Open minds UAP News. Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio where Open minds UAP Radio. Now. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I have with me Jason McClellan.

back in the day. Although things were a lot more fun back then.

But the end of Open Minds. I'm not saying that Tom DeLonge had anything to do with the demise of Open Minds, but at the end of Open Minds we were working very closely, and in fact, you and Marine are colleague with open Minds. We're writing for him for a short period of time.

topic and we love it, we really do. And I think you and I care about genuine research and actively looking for answers to this incredibly exciting mystery. So that's what keeps pulling me in. And you know, I have done in my professional career lots of communications and marketing roles for both the public and private sector. I'm currently with NASA, but you know, I've done a lot of these roles, but I have maintained my active following of

UFO news. I've done a podcast. I put that on hiatus right now just because I don't have time with all my NASA duties. But you know something I do keep up is a weekly UFO newsletter, because again we're news geeks, and I love to follow it and you know, let people know because we hear that tired refrain that, oh, the mainstream media doesn't report UFOs. That's not true, and that's never been true. They've always mainstream media outlets around the world report on UFOs every single day. So I

like to highlight that. And so that's what I do with my weekly UFO newsletter totally.

But one of the reasons I wanted to go over all of this and cover this, and why I'm so excited to be talking to you, let alone that we had so much fun doing this in the past, is that you know, at the time that we started doing Open Minds and it was kind of you know, Antonio Juneez was writing with us, and we all felt like we had to cover this in a legit news skeptical kind of perspective, just putting the facts out there, not making assumptions what I think is the right way to

do it, and that wasn't being done before. And I think that once we stop doing it, besides some of the mainstream press that has picked it up here and there, that's not being done anymore.

or skepticism is a bad word. And to your point, I don't think you can responsibly cover the UFO topic or communicate about the UFO topic if you don't do it with responsible skepticism that is required. That's what makes it journalistic, that's what makes it unbiased. That's what is required for a genuine pursuit of truth wherever that leads.

are being moved to a central location. And hey, that's always a good.

were proven to be hoaxes. So a lot of people, of course, were getting excited by these incredible pictures that were in these articles when I posted this, as you know, unfortunately, a lot of people didn't read the headline, so they were debating, oh, those are hoaxes. I know they are what the article says, that's what they're adise. So it's a great article on that. But it's funny how that happens.

to you and Marine. I've kind of felt like, hey, that'd be great that if we had all the PDFs to all of the Open Minds magazines, and I've decided to post those, so we'll post all of those and then coming week in honor of you coming back to the show this way.

sides of the debate. But it's really funny because that article had the same effect some of the you know, other articles we wrote where you just get heat from both sides because one side is saying, oh, you're saying they're real, and the other side is saying, oh, you're not. You're you're debunking them. When really it's kind of good because that means you have a balanced article, but it's also kind of a bummer because you're just getting crap from both sides.

been really turned off, including NASA. Why do they want to stick their nake out and get beaten up?

You just you can't please everybody. You're not going to and again that contributes to what makes UFO so hard. That's why so many people flee this field. And you can't keep good researchers continuing this work because it's a thankless work. And again, you can't make everybody happy, and that shouldn't be the focus of UFO research. You're not trying to please somebody. You're trying to find the truth, and no matter you know what side you come out on, you're gonna piss somebody off.

is this normal? People are so upset. I'm like that, Unfortunately, it is normal. But I'm really proud of them because they're brave enough to still back it up and release this big video which talks about how they debunked videos and talks about some of those Navy videos that have been debunked. It's a really good video. I recommend people watch.

that we both believe that UFOs exist. I've seen countless UFOs myself that I haven't been able to explain. So we're not pooh pooing UFOs here. What we are poo pooing. I think a lot is how a lot of UFO research is done. It's incredibly flawed. A lot of the suppositions and a lot of the talking points that people rely on are incredibly flawed because humans are incredibly flawed.

So I think things like this need to be constantly put into or in front of people, because there's a lot of education that needs to happen when it comes to UFOs, because again, most UFOs are mundane objects. They're gonna be something that is just outside of somebody's experience and you know, is later identified. That is almost all

of UFOs. That's not saying that there aren't potentially extraterrestrial UFOs or something that you know that's it's exotic or should be looked at, because that is certainly the case. Those things are there, but most are mundane objects. So we can't just brush that fact aside and pretend that doesn't exist and hype up every single possible UFO is something anomalous because that just muddies the water and we don't get anywhere.

did cover it in the PBS special. What was interesting is in the PBS special Sean Kirkpatrick said he thought it was birds, but just prior to that airing of that show, Arrow had released their analysis and they said it was balloons. My argument is it can't be both, and if you look at the video, it doesn't really

look like either. And so the SEU, who's the group who did kind of the original analysis of that video, they came out with a response just a couple of days ago, just yesterday, where they said, great, thank you for looking at it, but we have some questions. You said you saw this, and you said you used this data point or that data point, but you're not showing your work. You're not saying how you came to those

conclusions in your paper. Could you please do that so we can look at this further because they have some good points. I mean, if they're saying, like they say, you know, it clearly moved behind a an electrical tower and so it had to be close to the ground. Well, if that's true, then we can figure out distance. And if there's distance and it's moving, maybe that doesn't fit your theory. So yeah, this is the way it's done. It's a back and forth process where all parties work together.

a touch on it. So and we'll probably more than touch on it, but I think, you know, for both of us, there'll be a lot of examples on how it's not should not be done. But one of the big pieces of news is Canada. So Canada was inspired by the US government looking into UFOs. So they have created this project called the Sky Canada Project where they're

reviewing their own records. They say, you know, we're getting five hundred to one thousand UFO siding reports, and they just announced that they will have that report ready in July. And you know, here's one of their statements where it's not meant to prove or deny the existence of extraterrestrial life for extraterrestrial visitors, just much like the United States reports. Even though they led with you know, we don't have

enough data to prove either way. I'm sure that's what the Canadians are saying, because we don't, but at least it'll give more insight and give us a better idea of what data they have collected.

from there. But I will say I have to fault a little some of the the you know, leading talking heads on this subject in the media, because even people like louel A Zondo, you know, in many, many interviews and talking points, kind of insinuated that, oh, we just realized that this isn't just a UF or a US phenomenon, and we're we're now just starting to talk to other countries about this serious issue, you know, making it seem

like they're just bridging the gap. They're just starting these conversations. We're starting to realize that, oh, this is more than just a US issue, you know, when that is not the case, and that has never been the.

discovering every little aspect of UFOs as something new. So if you're a young journalist or a young hobbyist getting into this, and you've got a blog or some social media presence and you all of a sudden discover there was something called the Cometa Report or you know some of these other things, you're all, wow, the US isn't the only place that has UFOs. It's all new, and you report it out is new and it's like this big discovery when that's been the case all along. So right,

it happens a lot with this topic. And again with any topic, you're not going to instantly know everything about UFOs, and I think that spawns a lot of, you know, the the UFO conspiracies that come out because people discover things they're not familiar with. It's outside their life experience, and therefore it's new, it's secret, it must be a cover up, and it kind of takes on a life of its own from.

so far. So when we started the app, what late twenty thirteen, we've already got like sixteen hundred and seventy sidings so far in Canada and then out of historical reports from other databases over nearly fifteen thousand. So yeah, a lot of sightings in Canada. And actually, if I back up, you can see the UK with thirteen thousand, Australia five thousand, So yeah, there's you know, sightings all around the world, all right, So getting into some of

the whistleblowers and hearsay type of stuff. This is kind of wild. So there was supposed to be a skiff meeting with Loua Alzando, who you mentioned that in intelligence guy who kind of broke all this out, and David Grush, who spoke in a congressional hearing claiming stuff about aliens and all of this stuff. But David Grush keeps shirking media and attention despite his claims in what he's uh and saying that he's going to participate in these things.

So there was supposed to be this skiff meeting. They had to cancel, and Representative Luna, who's kind of the head of this, said Grush couldn't make it. Luel Lozando said there was some kind of budgetary issues, But I just you know, I'd love to hear your perspective. I

don't buy that Grush couldn't afford an airplane ticket. What's really weird about this also is he's supposed to be a staffer on this committee now and he can't make it to one of his own committee's meeting that is centered around him and his claims.

ticket to fly to Washington, DC. If I had money at the time, not this moment, but maybe a few weeks ago, a couple months ago, I would have been willing to have some spare money to pay for that ticket. But I think that our listeners, even our skeptical listeners would pay money to help him get there. Let alone, people are bringing up these disclosure nonprofits that are collecting money. They can't buy him a plane ticket. Yeah, what so there's that.

to meet with them. It's just really wild and it kind of harkens back to the whole point of what frustrates me with a lot of the coverage and a lot of the community is like this assumption that he is credible or what he's saying is accurate, when we don't have any reason, there's no any like you said, things be piling up to undermine his credibility. Really, as someone who's writing about this, we should have a concern and be skeptical, and and those concerns are piling up.

And just one more thing, I think what has happened and from the media people and very credible people I've talked to, and we've seen some very high profile people kind of talk about this and that they were really excited with the Alexander revelations and then Grush came out and they were really excited and one hundred percent on board, but when nothing came of that, they all were extremely disappointed. They felt duped, They expressed their concern and then left UAP and talking about UAP.

person or they've got an impressive title. And you know, we saw that with Paul Hellier and other you know, government officials, where they blindly take on faith. And I would put Harry Reid in this category two. You know, they blindly take on faith what somebody tells them because they know that person and they trust that person. That's wonderful and that works well for you, but that does

nothing for proof. And humans are humans. Again. I come back to this point a lot, but humans are pretty awful. But even if we try to be nice to humans, humans are incredibly fallible. And it doesn't matter who you are, what your title is, or your your important sounding position, you can still be taken in by things that you

misunderstand or misinterpret. And most of what we're hearing these days that people get excited and hyped up about with UFOs and possible you know, government ties and proof of a government cover up, it's still based on people seeing things that they're piecing together and reading between the lines and making huge assumptions and then you know, making a big deal about and everybody's eating it up because again, the source comes from an important sounding person or government

official with an important sounding title that means nothing. It really means nothing.

we find it very credible. They have nothing to say. They're just a bunch of fan boy What they say.

And it's really frustrating because it's like, we don't want to and it's I feel really irresponsible of all of these guys in official capacities because they're using their weight and their credibility to bring credibility to things that they don't know are real, that are hearsay. And what's frustrating is you and I can say this because we don't even do this. When we write about these things. We say,

here's what we know, here's the information out there. I don't know if it's real or not, even if we feel it's real and we're like all excited. You know, we're being honest and responsible by saying, here's the facts, here's the situation. We've got to wait and see.

give those answers. Right, and this field is filled with no shortage of shady people who are happy to provide those answers because it gives them a following, because it provides them an income, and you know, they apparently have no moral qualms about that. It's horribly irresponsible and people are are We've seen this from the inside. It is really heartbreaking seeing how desperate people are for these answers

about UFOs. They spend all of their money money they don't have, you know, paying people to give them answers. And you know, we've seen so many shady people just and these shady people giving these answers are laughing at these people behind their backs. You know, we've heard them behind stages just making fun of the audience that paid to see them, that you know, pay for their livelihoods.

It's just it's heartbreaking, it's disgusting. And you know, again, that's why I think, especially with a topic like UFOs, where you know you have people desperate for answers, just hanging waiting for anybody to give them those answers, it puts more of an onus on us to be that extra extra especially responsible, careful with this information and not claiming that we have answers. We can provide the information

and that's that's all we can do. I mean, pretending that we know we can give people definitive answers is grossly irresponsible and disgusting.

Our boss had open Minds, bought one of his squirrel monkeys that you know, was a fake alien. He's still doing that. It's so funny.

You know, they asked me about Himan so Hai May of course took U opportunity and had this back and forth videos. Even though I didn't talk to him. They just took my interview and he disputed what I had to say. But he has been doing this forever, and he just doesn't care about the truth. We know for a fact there were a lot of times where he knew the truth, but depending on the audience, he would give different versions of what's going on.

major celebrity he is. I mean, I was in the car going down the street and people would come up and pound on the windows because they could see he was in the car and they would want his autograph, right, they would see him going down the street, and that's the kind of draw he has. You'd go to a restaurant, everybody would swarm him at the restaurant and want his autograph. I mean, fills auditoriums in Mexico City when he does presentations there. He is a massive celebrity.

He doesn't care. He'll still be like, can I interview you and let's debate, And you know he doesn't mind that. It's all part of the show.

it anyway. So he's done, just like I made the same thing where he covers stuff regardless of whether it's true. Or not. He just said, and we'll show examples of that. But I could go through those just real quick. Like Richard Doty, who's a liar. He wanted to bring him to the Area fifty one festival where he asked me to speak. I told him, well, then I'm not going to go to speak there, and so he got upset.

But he's like, fine, Doty doesn't even show up, Dody, you know, but neither did anybody else to see this show, so it was no big deal. But that was one of them. There's this other guy, the Nano man he was covering that stole the story of this psychic alien experience that he had from this person that he went and read search that Nancy Talbot was researching in Denmark.

And I told, you know, and there's plenty of evidence of this, because Nancy had been writing about this guy and this guy went out there and then totally stole a story. He didn't care. He still pushed this guy. And then the guy that we called mister Nanotubes, the guy who was examining the alleged you know, alien material and some material that our boss had had him examined. And we called him Nanoman because every mister nanotubes, because

everything examined was alien nanotubes wasn't. But Jeremy again, he includes him in his documentary and everything, despite all of this that I gave him. So it's kind of frustrating. Now I don't believe that of George Knapp. I think his heart's in the right place. But still always hard.

And Jeremy is somebody with a very strong personality and you know, I'm not saying this is what's happening with Jeremy, but I know there are people who get so emotionally wrapped up in this that they're full of fire, full of passion, and they need to they need to expose the cover up, and they're on a mission and nothing's going to stop them. And if you get in their way, you're the enemy. And you know what you have to say, you're just trying to obstruct the truth from getting out

or whatever the case may be. But some people get so laser focused on what they've put together in their mind is the truth that they've They've you know, put all the puzzle pieces together, that everybody else has it wrong, only they have it right, And get out of my way because I'm on a mission.

a celebrity very quickly. Yeah, And when I said that, I always say, I know this is probably a bad thing and it's going to cause people to you know, take advantage of this, and you know, I'm going to be responsible for this, but it really is because again it comes back to the fact that there are so

many people desperate and hungry for answers. If you, you know, are an unscrupulous, unscrupulous individual with no morals and you know, are happy misleading people, it's so easy to do in this field and get a massive following.

So we can go over UFO video and leak one after another that gets debunked almost immediately when they put it out, such as the video of the pyramid UFOs, which was obviously some sort of lens thing because every light in the sky was triangle shape. At least Travis Taylor, who is defending that, had to say, Okay, you know, there's obvious a lens effect that one that some others that we're going to talk about as we move on here.

But several of these videos that get quickly debunked where they come out and these are real, these are UFOs, these are aliens, and it's like, we don't know that. That's not how this works. Just because you're discovering something, you know it, that's when something needs to be researched and investigated. If there's a liar, you can't immediately jump to that conclusion.

we're just presenting the facts and asking questions. No, that's usually not what's happening. You're you're painting a narrative. You're pushing things into a corner and presenting things is anomalist when in fact, all you have is some random person gave you something and you know, because of mysterious circumstances or something that seemed bizarre to them, and because it was a military source, you're thinking this is non human intelligence.

And that's how you're pushing it to the world and sounding the alarm and going on the news and making it into a big deal when it doesn't need to be because you don't know what it is, and you don't really know the source of the video, you don't know all the details. You're operating with very limited details. You can't make these huge jumps. You can't sound the alarm, you can't excite people under the guise of oh, we're just we're just trying to find answers.

that should be understood. And again, as a responsible person communicating about this and really wanting to get to the bottom of it, or you know, pretending that you're trying to educate people or or get people interested in the topic, you have to be responsible. You have to lead with those those remarks like, well, here's something don't know what this is. Here are the circumstances kind of strange things here, strange things there. Don't know what that is, but we'll

continue looking into it. But that's an example of some of the strange things we're seeing.

and it's just that his perceptions. Then he gets into, oh, you couldn't mention this name or that name or you get fired. And they asked, well, was that you know that that wasn't something that was mandated. He's like, oh, no, that wasn't anything that came down. But I heard stories, and people said they heard stories, so it's like rumor. Again.

their scope, outside of their knowledge, with limited information. In this interview, he even says that things weren't spelled out in this document, that he had to put things together on his own and sort of what it was saying.

BS and I don't believe that whatsoever. But if you look at here David Grush, one of the things he worked on was the Shriver wargame, and the best So.

for these people being involved. So that again ties into the wargames mentioned on the first slide. So I don't know why one would assume that it's anything else.

much time correcting people. But this article that first actually was covered by Weekly World News. Yep, the bat Boy people that the Russian shot down in Ufo and it turned people into stone, and the CIA knew about it. The New York Post among others talk about CIA files detailing Soviet crash, but Scopes actually are doing an analysis with the Snopes with an accurate headline. It doesn't prove aliens to turn Soviets into stone. And it was never classified. It was simply a news clipping.

the worst. What's really frustrating about the Bob Blazaar story is that Jeremy and George Knapp, also the original person to cover Lazar, do not cover any of the dubious or just like they're doing to this day, the dubious or items that undermine the credibility of both of these witnesses or at least Lazaar, which there are numerous ones.

I mean, I've got an article coming out. But the biggest one for me is that he started these claims when he talked about aliens fighting at Area fifty one and all of this crap only weeks after Richard Doty said this on this UFO Live TV show for the first time, and then the public had ever heard, oh there's aliens in Area fifty one and he's like, the aliens have taken over the base and all of this crazy bes and then Lazar Jempson, Oh yeah, I was there.

Let alone is criminal background, none of which they cover, which seriously undermined his credibility. This lone witness who they take hook line and sinker that, you know, proves that aliens were or are at Area fifty one.

humanity is you know, is being given a great disservice, that we're all being harmed by this uh you know, government cover up and this technology being held under wraps, and that we have a right to know this information, and people are willing to risk their careers and their lives to come out and share this information with the

public because we all have a right to know. Well, again, if you're going to do that, it'd be great to have, you know, some something solid when a lot of this again, you know, even when you're you're trying to articulate, it is based on assumptions you've made on things you pieced together with very limited information and out of context. I don't know what to say about that. You know, that

seems incredibly shortsighted and irresponsible. I don't. I don't know the guy, and I can't make you know life choices for him. But also this narrative again has been so highlighted and pushed in recent years with the big talking heads about how dangerous it is to talk about UFOs and how your life is in danger and how you give up everything if you talk about UFOs, And that is just the biggest load to me, because you and

I know we've covered this over so many years. We've seen the people high ranking government officials and military personnel, let alone anybody else.

everybody loves UFOs. Everybody is interested in this topic and they always have. And when you talk to people and let them know that you're serious about UFOs, the flood gates open and they want to tell you their own sightings, their own stories. It's not ridicule, it's it's a lot of fear of possible ridicule that drives fear in people and keeps this such a mysterious kind of ooh topic that we can't talk about and if we do, we're

going to be executed. Again. Irresponsible to be pushing these narratives.

has to be some evidence something not zero. This is also, I think really interesting because one of the people speculated on that Reddit that maybe they created that war scenario to screw with like Aleizando and Corbell, and they were just taking things from the media to say, oh, you know what if this scenario happened, It's very interesting. This

is called immaculate constellation, this alleged program. When Jeremy created a documentary about the ridiculous things that John Lear has to say, why was Jeremy even highlighting I felt so uncomfortable when he was doing this because we were really close with Jeremy at the time. But John Lear, who just makes up all these wild conspiracies. Anyway, it seems like it's being buried because a website's down in everything.

But in twenty sixteen, Jeremy made this documentary Immaculate Deception, full of wild alien claims, none of which were verified are true.

it's very very interesting. In my mind, I don't know what's going on there. But again, because we've seen this happen before, because we know, and especially living in the age we live in now, this is a different world from when you and I were doing this at Open Minds. It is infinitely easier to fix everything, videos, images, documents, like it's all out. You can have all of the great images and videos and whatever you want, it's all out.

So I know that sounds incredibly just flippant and you know, kind of morbid with this topic, just like give up. UFOs are done. There's nothing we can do. And honestly, that's kind of how UFOs are always going to be when you're dealing with the unknown. That's the frustrating part of UFOs. We're not going to have definitive answers, but something we are guaranteed to have is a lot of bus and an endless supply of it.

released this one. This one I'm not as excited about. You know, it's these volcano sightings that typically turn out to be as you and I know, you know, just lots of weird stuff is pushed out volcanoes. Things.

to release that. But this was yet another one where Jeremy comes out, look proof of aliens. But no, very quickly it was the that's not how you do it, you know, you and I and I keep going back to this, but it's just the truth because we've got experience doing it. And that's what's so great about you and I talking right now. We wouldn't have released this story that way. We would have said, here's a new video.

It looks pretty interesting, just like I do all the time when the next segment of my show is going to be about some of the cool sightings this week from Enigma, but not one of them will I say is real. In fact, I always tell the audience I expect these videos that I put out that I think are weird to be debunked. But what I'm hoping is that there will be one that can't be debunked. And that's I think the angle that you have to have it out. Look, this is interesting, it needs more research.

We don't know what it is. Not look proof of aliens. The government tiding everything. Be careful who you show this video to or you might get killed.

starlink all the time. That's gonna get worse, infinitely worse. Amazon is getting into that game. They just launched a bunch of satellites and they're gonna have thousands of satellites in the air doing the same thing as starlink, providing Internet to remote locations. So space is just absolutely littered.

Our skies are absolutely littered, and you know we it behooves us all to familiarize ourselves and for us as researchers too, in stories like that where you have something weird, we can lean on our experience and share that and say, look, this is bizarre here that, here's the situation, here are the details we have. This you know strongly resembles this that we've seen many times before, and here's a video showing a similar thing, but we don't know at this point.

That's a likely explanation, but other more exotic explanations are possibilities. You've got to be responsible with this stuff.

really been. Yeah, it is just it's frustrating to see. I don't like seeing people take an advantage of I don't like seeing people given full hope and false narratives and told what to believe. This isn't the field where you can be told what to believe. Yes, belief drives a lot of UFOs, but belief is individual for all of us. We all have to individually weigh the evidence for ourselves and make our own conclusions.

But at least it's a different perspective, and we're just sharing our insights from our years and years of doing this much of that full time.

saw these three silver triangular shapes. We only recently got this video, that's why I'm covering it now. However, they say this event took place on October twenty four, twenty twenty four. So let's take a look here, and just for the listeners to tell you a little bit more about what we're looking at. Is you do see this palm tree in the foreground in the distance, then you see some hills. You see one hill, then another kind of larger hill, kind of cliff behind it that's more

kind of in shadow. Over the hill, you see these three luminous lights, and it kind of looks like three objects that are over the hill. However, I think they're further back in the background and actually on that cliff side or on that mountain that's in the background. It's hard to say for sure. When I look at videos like this, often videos that have a hill or mountain in the background, the objects typically turn out to be

something that is on the hill in the background. Here, the hill is in shadow, potentially three shiny objects that are reflecting light that are not in shadow, so they look more stunning. But yeah, there's no movement in them, so that's what makes me think they're not floating? Now the palm tree isn't moving either, so there's no wind. If they were balloons or something like that, that would be possible, but you would probably see at least some movement.

But yeah, very interesting video, and this one's gotten a lot of attention with a lot of people discussing it on that app So really interesting video. Love to know what you think. Moving on from Palermo, Italy, let's take a look at the next video. This one is from Maryland, Columbia, Maryland. This was on April fifteenth of this year, so just

a couple weeks ago at almost nine pm. Now, immediately most of you are probably gonna know what this is, but not everybody does, surprisingly, and that's why I wanted to show it, to make sure and educate people, but also because it's so stunning. It's such an amazing video and we live in such weird times. So let me describe this for the listeners. What you see is someone

on the side of the road. It looks like because there's some street lamps, and it looks like maybe they even pulled over to get this video, which is great. I'm glad they did that. Hopefully be safe if you do that and they're filming up above in the sky and you see multiple small dots of lights in a perfect row moving together, just a bunch of them, like probably fifty or sixty of them. These, of course are starlink satellites. Some of them are closer to each other

than others. But this kind of shows you what I've talked about before, where when the starlink are launched, they can be really close to each other and kind of look like one object. So you'll see this almost looks like, you know, there are objects in a long string, some are closer than us, and when in a couple of spots where they're really close, they almost look like one kind of longer object. When they're not, these are multiple objects in a row. But look at that. And this

is what a train, a starlink train, looks like. Now I haven't seen this, A lot of people have. Of course, a lot of people submit these to Enigma, so I've got a few of them. But this is one of my favorites, and definitely one of the best we've gotten recently. But look how cool that is. Isn't that weird? But yeah, that is starlink and I just wanted to show that to the audience for those of you who haven't seen that before. For you listeners, you know, look out for this.

It's something that is fairly common and a lot of people see these. I haven't yet, and I can't wait for my first time to see a starlink train. This one is Enigma three one two three ZHO five. And remember I put the links to all of these in the show notes, so you can go look at these also if you get the app. Some of these are in that content feed and what we call the content but it's the good videos in the first tab. We usually don't put much starlink in there unless they're really extraordinary.

But moving on. This one is a little bit more mysterious. And I don't know what this one is. So this is small white dots moving quickly. This is in Rosendale, England, so this is in the United Kingdom. The explanation says, the short three second video you have to watch in slow motion. It's just a flicker on normal speed. Forty to fifty drones were spotted. I don't see that many, all coming from the same direction, headed the same way.

They moved from a heel around two miles away to the next town over in five to eight seconds, somewhere under one hundred meters high, some few hundred, maybe it's hard to tell. I have lots of videos filming for a while, so it's really interesting here. A couple things about it is, first of all, what the witnesses described versus what's in the video, and I don't feel like the description fits very well. Still, this video is really interesting.

We see essentially someone zooming in and out of these three white objects that are moving together. They are obviously, you know, it looks like at their house. It almost looks like they're on a keel because they are at level with like the second story of the houses down the block. There's trees in the way, and you can see rooftops as they are filming these lights. And this video is only thirty seven seconds, so it's pretty quick, but it almost looks like a triangular object with three

lights at the end of it, kind of moving together. Now, this is a daytime sighting. The other the last one was was a nighttime siding, and this one's during the day. So you can see these three white objects, but you can't really see anything in between them. So you don't know that they're all together. In fact, I would imagine they're not because you don't see a song object between them. You just see these three dots at first their kind

of level, and then as it moves, they're not. What's weird about this is I don't think it's balloons because these lights seem to be self luminescent. They don't seem to be reflecting light. There are clouds in the background, so you can tell that these are under the clouds, although they disappear into the cloud so that gives you kind of an idea of the height. The clouds are very thick that they go into, and they don't seem to slow down at all when they do move into

these clouds, so to me, they don't move like balloons. Now, the witness assumed they were droned, which is kind of a weird assumption to make. I think I don't know why they make that assumption. It could be three drones flying together. It's a possibility, each with their own light. I don't know about that, but this is a really interesting sighting. Now. I posted this one online and I got some responses. I said, what do you guys think

this is? One person said Chinese balloons has to be and I understand why this user is saying that, because you know they are self luminescent. But Chinese balloons are usually orange because the lights that the skin of the object is usually an orange color or red color, and then you've got a flickering light which is also kind of a warm color that illuminates those lights, so usually it's kind of a warm color. These are seem very very white, so I don't know that these are a

Chinese lantern. But yeah, really really interesting video. The movement of the lights is just kind of strange. It does kind of move like it's one object, but you can see there's not an object in between them. It's clear daylight. So really weird, really great video. I like this one. I can't figure this one out, so I would love your suggestions and let me know. This is Enigma three one, two, four, eight six. Again you can find a link to these

in the show notes. But a really strange video from England. I'm not sure what the heck that is. So those are my Enigma videos for the week. Let me know what you think they are. And if you are on the Enigma app and you've got some cases that you've looked at and you're like, what the heck is this, and you would like some more feedback, feel free to share that in the comments and we will take a look.

Before I end the show, there is an update. So Jason and I filmed the interview portion of this show yesterday and today there was a hearing in the House Oversight Committee were dealing with UAP and information came out of it. Now, a lot of the people we just talked about who we had, you know, we used a word irresponsible a bit, who were sharing information and videos before they had done some research, were in this panel, and unfortunately they're back to their same old antics. Loue

Elizondo held up a picture. He said, was this huge disc floating over the ground, and we'll take a look here. The group that had sponsored it, the UAP Disclosure Fund, they're obviously really excited. Oh my gosh, look at this big disc. And you could see the picture there and at first glance, it does look like a shadow. But you know what, I now that I know what it is, I can't unsee it. And to me, it doesn't look

like a disc or a shadow at all. And those of you in the southwest kind of can have an idea. There's a picture of Lou showing this picture. Of course, the picture he shows is very, very very fuzzy, so it looks more mysterious, but within an instant people were very quickly able to figure out what it is. Here is a picture that Stephen green Street posted that I

think shows it more clearly. But they're irrigation circles. And you know, there's a lot of research going on out there now, even people taking the photo and looking at it from a different angle, and you can very clearly see that there is a road that is around this circle that is allegedly a shadow. Obviously not a shadow. They're irrigation circle. So once again they're trying to tell

the public that look at this evidence of aliens. Look at my amazing photo here, and the photos quickly debunked. I don't know why they couldn't have done just the smallest iota of research and looking on Google Maps, which is how people figured it out. Look on Google Maps of the area, and they would have noticed there are dozens and dozens and dozens of these circles around. So oh yeah, yeah, we'll talk more about all of this next time. However, you know, I just wanted to give

you guys this update before we move on. It's just gotten you know, I hate to use the term, but it's gotten silly. It really has, you know. I if these guys are taking this field seriously, I think that they just need to be patient, do the research, and work with others. You know, all of this is best when we work as a team and even get the debunkers in so you know what they're gonna say before you post this stuff, or you can argue, and it's fair just to say that, hey, you know, I got

this to some skeptics. They think it's this. I disagree with them. I think it's that, And here's my argument. And let your argument and your data speak for itself. If it's strong enough, then you know you will win the day, especially if you can get some other scientists and researchers on your side. But just to kind of put this stuff out there and then have it debunked

just really undermines credibility. And again, think of what the people who were like, Okay, I'm going to give these guys a shot, and I'm going to hear what they have to say, and then this happens, you know, it underminds the credibility of the whole field, and then a lot of people take it less seriously. So that's what we're trying to say. And it's not like we're trying to say we don't want to play a role. We

would love to help out. Jason and I have been doing this for a long time and we're always open to these guys and working with these guys and they know that. So, but to be honest, who are we We don't have any credentials as far as being scientists, so you know, that's who they should probably employ to do some of this work. But at the very least the credentials Jason and I do have is that we did this full time for many, many many years. But anyway,

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