Welcome to the USA Think Tank Craigio with your host Alejandrol Lhan. Hello, this is Alejandro Rojas, your host for UFO Think Tank Radio. And I just realized something I like to you all, and you know what, I don't care deal deal people, No, just kidding. I'm not much of a liar. I have this scene where I do not like to lie, and I don't do very well because it's like, why, let's live in reality people. Anyways, It's more like I spaced something out, which isn't
too bad. This is all about space, right, And that was to make some news music. I was gonna make some news music. I told you guys, I was going to do some news music like CBS, like you know or something. And I didn't do that, and I apologize and I'll try to do that for next week. It's just that this week has been so so busy. In fact, I wasn't planning on doing a show
tonight because I just had so much to do. But anyway, I did do one, and I'm so happy because I've got a great interview tonight, and that is with Tracy Austin, a very lovely woman from who comes from England. And now she lives in Las Vegas, and so going from this, you know, lovely slopes with lovely English people, drinking tea and having a good time too crazy Las Vegas in the middle of the desert. We've actually had her on the show before and we've talked about all of her personal
experiences. She shared that with us before. However, what we're going to talk about tonight is pretty cool. It's this brand new book that she has put together on the UFO sightings in the Western United States, so mostly California, I think, Utah and New Mexico or something like that. She'll talas
in a little bit here, but you know, the Western States. So she's written about nine cases in particular, mostly doing with abduction, alien abduction, donta dum some kind of scary music there, because that's mostly scary because people know in the middle of the ninety and they're being taken and weird stuff done to them and oh my goodness. And it's of course very hard for people to understand or even believe that, you know, people are being taken
in the middle of the night. It's like, come on, right, but uh, you know a lot of people believe this to be happening to them, and it's interesting that they have similar stories. And more so, a lot of researchers have looked into it and feel it. There seems to be some sort don't don't freak out, but some sort of like hybridization program going on. Okay, subtle down, settle hand, don't freak out. I told you not to break out. So yeah, is that what's happening
there? I don't know. So we're going to talk to Tracy about that. And this is gonna be a lot of fun. Otherwise things going on in the news, So I talked a little bit about this. There's been some news regarding Gary McKinnon. Gary McKinnon, of course, with a man who hacked into government computers at several locations to look for et information. He did find some he does and people get mad at me, but I'm sorry. These are case words. He said he was stoned and drunk much of
the time, and that's not to say anything bad about him. He did this ten years ago. I'm older than him, but I would say about twenty years ago, I was drunk and stoned myself. So I'm not saying that's bad. I'm saying we all get drunken stoned during our twenties, don't we and a couple of them, well, at least I did a lot, you know, in my early twenties. I apologize if that offends you,
but I'm through it now. I am clean. I found meditation, and I don't want anything screwing with my inner groove because I got a good groove going on here, so I don't touch that stuff anymore. But Gary did, and you know, then he hacked into these computers and he was inspired by Stephen Grinn's disclosure project, and he says he found some stuff, so I'm like a roster of non terrestrial humans. And he saw a picture of a UFO, he says, but unfortunately he did not save any of
this evidence, so it's all hearsay on his part. Regardless, he really did hack into computers. He was then arrested. He was given the option, Hey, you would best up to this, we'll throw you in jail for a few years. He said, he gave the US the middle finger and they said, okay, we're throwing the book at you. And now
that he doesn't want to be extradited, and I don't blame him. We talked, I talked about this before, about how the English and really fear American prison because they see it on TV, all this crazy stuff, and so just the mere thought of American prisons because people are just watching too much American TV, they freak, They freak, the flip out. And you know what, if I was facing the possibility of being in an American prison, I'd freak out too. So I can't blame him. So he wants
to stay in England and I hope he can. And what's interesting about today's news. I already talked about how on October sixteenth they're supposed to be deciding what they're going to do, whether they're going to extra diem or not. This has gotten up to the top ranks. I mean, the Prime Minister and the President have talked about this. Obama the last time says do what you want, and they haven't decided, so on October sixteenth they're supposed to.
However, a report did come out where the Deputy Prime Minister had said this is bunk man. They're like, he's like chill, dudes, that he's essentially saying that this extradition law that we have with America should be scrapped and a lot of people feel that way. Garry McKinnon would be here right now if people other English people did not feel this way because they're upset about this extradition law. They think it's biased towards the US and they ain't digging
it. Nobody's digging the US these days. They're kind of all getting mad at us. But what can you do? Come on, you know it's not our fault all this stuff going down. Anyway, Moving on, there was some news this week about a UFO being seen in the sky and some this is here in Arizona and these these strange pictures and everything, and it turned out to be a rocket test interesting enough, which is kind of weird. The rocket decided to shoot something out of white sand and people were able
to see it for miles and that doesn't seem very safe. And I hope that they don't do that anymore because that scares me because people saw it out here in Arizona. I'm in the desert of Arizona. I'm not too far from Goldwater Range. Don't shoot stuff out of your missile range, dudes, because it could land on me and I would not appreciate that. So that's all to do. With that story. Other sightings that made the news.
There's UFO photographs that were taken in Africa over some diamond mines. I'm sorry this is Canada, but still over some Arctic diamond mines in Canada. It's a strange round circular cloud and these three lights that come to seem to go down. A lot of people are saying, well, it looks like maybe something was reflecting from on the window when they took the picture. Does look like that? It looks that. I don't know. It's just a still
picture though, so it's difficult to say. This was in the International Business Times again, International Business Times writing about UFOs quite a bit. So thank you guys for being cool and writing about UFOs because we all know that is the it's the coolest of the cool that writes about UFOs. Oh yeah. Other UFO news UFO sightings over Melbourne. Here's another one. Three aw six ninety three Talk We've Got UFOs on the Air has written about UFOs over Melbourne.
That is an Australia and this is an Australian news program and some they sent them some pictures and they actually posted these pictures and they did some analysis and it looks very strange whatever this is that they're looking at. So you can go look at these pictures. Remember, if you go to UFO DailyNews dot com, you're going to see under the UFO news feed all of these
stories. You can actually go to UFO Thankank dot com also because that will redirect you to UFO DailyNews dot com where you're gonna find the latest UFO news, including these stories I'm covering in these pictures from Melbourne, Australia. Yeah, I don't know what to make of the pictures. Some people have said maybe it was a bird that was reflecting. It's very strange. It's almost like the saucer sheeped like, yeah, it's very difficult to describe, I
would say. So you're gonna have to look at this thing. It is at night and some light in the light in the sky, so very interesting though. Finally a story on other Australian UFO sidings, so supposedly there. This is a story about some burn marks that were found in Perth. And these are stories by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, so similar to the FAA, but of an orange light being seen in January twenty fifth of last year, and something flying around of this sort and it was also seen by a
pilot, so it's a it's a very short story. Unfortunately they don't have much here, but this has been posted by the Harold Sun, which is a paper out there in sunny Australia to where they have the out black and the crocodiles and the marsupials come from Australia. And marsupials are very strange, aren't they. I wonder if some people theorize that they are actually from another planet. And it's interesting to think that we have this breed of marsupials.
So super Wallaby, so Wallaby is a marsupials. You know, these strange animals here on this planet that you can't find anywhere else. I think that's cool. Speaking of Australia, so lots of UFON news out in Australia. They are UFO crazy as well, which is wonderful. The whole world round is just fascinated with this phenomena, as are we. You know who else is fashion fascinating. I mean, they just can't get enough of UFO stuff. That is the National Atomic Testing Museum in sunny Las Vegas, Nevada,
and also in the middle of the desert. Well it's where Tracy's from, who we're going to talk to in just a minute. But first I want to mention this, but they are having a special lectured called Military UFOs Secrets Revealed. Holy Moly, the people here are going to be Colonel Bill Coleman. And this is significant. Especially these two are really significant. Colonel Bill
Coleman, he's retired, he's been retired for some time. He was the chief public Affairs officer for Blue Book, so he worked on Blue Book. So that's why this is significant. Also Colonel Robert Friend, who also worked in Blue Book. He was a director for a period of time. And of course blue Book being the official UFO investigation investigations by the US Air Force
which ended in nineteen sixty nine. Now, these guys you can see here and there doing interviews, not too often though, especially you can see them. In the nineteen eighties, there was a video called UFOs Live Terrible. It was really goofy, but it got a lot of people interested in this stuff, and there was some stuff that was kind of not bad, including
some of the interviews. In the interviews with these guys, you can actually see that if you go to the UFO Daily News YouTube because I posted that whole show, and I don't know that I've seen a pop in and out here and there, but I don't know anybody else who had the whole show posted. So it's something to watch because it's definitely part of UFO history. But I'll tell you now, these guys are skeptics. They're major skeptics.
They say pretty much that they didn't find anything in blue Book that they couldn't explain away. That's pretty much their feeling and has been their feeling for all along. I've talked to Lee Spiegel, who's going to be there, I might be there to be honest, and he feels that Bill Coleman's possibly going to tell him about a secret. Now I'll tell you next week what happens, because Lee's going to write about it, and Bill Coleman did have an
incredible UFO siding. But I'll bet you here's my guess. I will prophesize for you that Bill Coleman will say I do have a big secret to reveal that the UFO that I thought, I'm sure that it was just a duck
or he was probably an early unmanned aerial vehicle something like that. I mean, this guy's not going to come out after years and years of saying there's nothing to all this, and say, especially when he's asked so much about it, obviously, and he's hidden from the limelight regarding all of this, and come out and say, oh, however, even though you know, we might not get some exciting news out of those two, it's going to
be really cool. At least they're talking, and there's this whole presentation supposed to be videotaped. There are three other gentlemen who are going to be there. Nick Pope, who we've had on the show multiple times. Of course I've talked about him a lot. He was worked the UFO desk for the UK Ministry of Defense. Also Colonel John Alexander who's also been on the show.
He worked in non lethal weapons, but also had a little working group of some friends and intelligence where they did look into paranormal and UFOs and they believe there are UFOs. He's not so sure there's a grand conspiracy. And also Colonel Charles Holt, who he's also had on the show, who was the deputy based commander at Bentwaters when there was that extraordinary UFO occurrence where these things had been seen for a couple of days flying over the base and beaming
lights. Colonel Halt saw this himself, lights being beamed into the weapons storage area. Some people gave Lee heck because he said Colonel Halt was the base commander, and actually he was. He was a deputy deputy base commander when it happened. He wrote up the report that actually went to the UK because they said, well, you know, we saw this thing land but it was not on the base, so that's UK property. Let's write them a letter say hey, here's what happened. It's your problem, now deal with
it. Of which the UK said, oh, we don't know what to do, so they ignored it, supposedly, but he later became the Bentwaters based commander. So that's why Lee said that, and it is accurate. And I think that's very interesting to note that after his siding, and after he submitted a report on this siding, that he still went on to become the base commander. And of course he's had a lot of interesting things to say, such as the other witnesses such as Chargon Peniston and I can't remember
some of the other witnesses right now. I apologize, but said that they were debriefed by some mysterious group, and Colonel Holt suggest I do believe that some third party intelligence group could have gone come in and debriefed them without my knowledge or debase Commander's knowledge. It's like, whoa dude, But these guys worked that way. People doing whatever they want, I guess. So that's
the whole show. So a lot of people, So it's going to be interesting, and that's in Las Vegas on Saturday night at six pm, So getting your cars, head out there and have a good time. People rock on. So we'll see what comes with that, and I'm sure on the next show I'll be talking about exactly that what comes of it. If you want some more information, you can't go to the National Atomictestingmuseum dot org.
And they're also going to have in November, says Shostak. And of course this is the museum if you remember me talking about it, and I have some pictures of it on my website where they did they have an area dedicated to area fifty one, and this area fifty one exhibit is actually three quarters UFOs and aliens, and so you know they're definitely playing up that mythology that
there have been aliens and UFOs worked on it Area fifty one. Who knows right, very mysterious stuff, I'm telling you so without further ado, however, we do have a great interview with Tracy Austin, and you know what, let's see what Tracy has to say about all this. I am happy to have back on the show. Tracy Austin, Hello, how are you? I am great, Talahandro and Sanks for having me back on the show. I really appreciate it. Yes, well, it's exciting. You've got
some big news. You've got a brand new book out. I do indeed Alien encounters in the Western United States. Nine true accounts in the book of actual Alien Encounters alien abductions from people in the Western United States. We've got some cases from California, cases from Las Vegas, Utah as well and Colorado. Okay, great, I was going to ask. I'm kind of a Southwest guy, and of course I'm from Colorado. You spent some time in Colorado also, though, didn't you not in Colorado? No? No,
my husband's from Colorado. Oh okay, and now you live in Las Vegas. I do how's that beened? How long have you been there? Been here since two thousand and six. And it's a great place to be, you know, it's a world class everything here as I'm sure you know. You know. But I lived in California for about five years, and I have to say I do miss that ocean and the dolphins. Yeah, I can see that. The ocean's beautiful. It is. It's spectacular. That's
why the coast is so full of people. That's right. But you know, I haven't actually made a trip back since I lived here, you know, in two thousand and six. Well, I tell a lie, I took a trip to Santa Barbara last September. That was a year ago, but it was literally an overnight thing. So that was the only ship I
made back there. So when you've gathered some of these stories, now nine accounts doesn't sound like a lot, but when you read the book, I mean, you've got a lot of different topics and things going on here, So it sounds like it's a jam pack full of a lot of information. Are these cases mostly abduction issues? Yeah? They are. They experiences abduction
issues. There is a section in there about alien implants as well. I had interviewed my dear friend doctor Roger lear who was so gracious about doing the interview for the book and allowing me to have actual photographic evidence of alien implants as seen under the electron microscope. So we have some photographs in here of those that were taken out from some of the patients of doctor Leah, and like I said, he was very gracious to allow me to do that.
Barbara Lamb also writes a forward for me in the book as well, which is from a regression therapist's point of view. I mean, Barbara is a well known lady in her field of expertise, as I know you know, and she has regressed hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of people and very much knows that this is a real phenomena that is going on, just like doctor Roger Leo, who has removed sixteen alleged alien implants to date. So when was
it that you first heard about the abduction phenomenon? Kind of how is your evolution gone as far as what you've learned, and maybe how your thoughts may have changed on the phenomenon. Well, to be honest with you, Alejandro, I first got into this whole subject in nineteen eighty seven. I think I covered it briefly on the previous show, but I was studying in London.
I was training as a concert pianist there and that's when I personally had my very first UFO siting in the middle of London nineteen eighty seven, and it got me to it was almost as if they said to me, you know, you're not going to go down this path that you think you're going to go down. You're going to go down this path and you're going to learn what we are all about. It really stemmed from that, I think, to be honest with you, and went to various conferences both in England
and the United States, got to meet with people on alleged circuit. Of course, you know, you make friends with these people, you get to find out what they're researching and their involvement and abductions. It seems has been always to the forefront of this, and I know a lot of people have
remained quiet about it. You know, they didn't want to come out of the woodwork to talk about it because of fear of ridicule and rejection, and you know what the feeling of people are going to think I'm an absolute raising nutcase. But as the years have gone by since eighty seven, it seems that more and more people have been involved. And the research in my book for this has led me to believe that four million Americans have had abduction experiences.
Those are just the people coming forward. What about the people who are not coming forward? Has to be a high number, and certainly worldwide, we've got to be in the number of maybe close to ten eleven millions maybe worldwide. All right, when you come to that number four million, how do you get to that number? I knew you were going to ask me that it's a big number. It's a big number. This is based on roper poles. This is based on a couple of roper poles out there that
I based my research on. So that is what the number is suggesting. And those are the people that have come forward and talked about it and believe that they've had this phenomena happen to them. Gotch. So you've taken a poll. If it says like two percent of the people say in the poll that they've had an experience in two percent of the overall population, is how you get the number? M hmm, okay, gotcha, right right.
That would be a lot of people. Now, I guess one of the questions that also comes up is in your situation, you felt kind of like you had a communication or some guidance which you followed in your experience. However, of course, when you look into the abduction phenomena, some of those people feel that it's a very negative experience. How have you kind of categorized those things or how do you view that that difference? Well, it does
come across that way. To be honest with you, Alejandro, that doesn't seem to be anything positive for the experience or the abductee whose involvement has been with this. It seems to be all one sided, just as you know, doctor David Jacobs has said in his book The Threat and Secret Life, the late John Mack in his abduction work, the late Bud Hopkins, and I hate to say the late you know, late Bud Hopkins and late John
Mack. It's hard to believe they're no longer with us because their work is so phenomenal, but they have all suggested that there's nothing really positive to this for the experiencer. It's one sided. This is an agenda that these beings have and they're going to do it no matter what it takes, it's of extreme importance to them. I am of the opinion also, like I said that it does seem to come across that way, but there's always two signs, two sides to a coin, well, actually three sides to a coin.
But I think it's how we are looking at this. We don't know if these implants, for example, are of extreme benefits to us. We just don't know. I know that doctor Lear, you know, when he first got involved with the whole alien implant theme, thought that this se just wanting to prove to people that this was regular stuff that he was taking out of the body. You know, the thought, because he's a pediatrist, that it could be plastic glass hair, you know, something from the beach,
maybe a piece of shell or whatever. But when he comes to take them out and have them analyzed, this was proving that this was something completely different from what he's taken out of the body before. So he became a believer from all of that. So who really knows what benefit these implants are
for We don't know. I mean, he thought that they were tracking devices at first, but then came to the conclusion, well, can't be tracking devices because these beings can actually find you anywhere, they don't need an object to locate you. So then it came down to the other assumption that it was for monitoring our DNA, monitoring how our body is functioning. These beings are following family lineage, their family following family bloodlines, and like I said,
you know, it's how we are interpreting it. Also, I think as a human being we need to be able to look at all aspects of it. But on the surface, it sure does seem to be a negative connotation, and I can understand people thinking that way, although it sounds to though you don't feel that your experience, at at least that was negative. No, it wasn't. Mine was totally positive. It really was now and
I'll get more into that. We'll talk about maybe some different agendas and stuff, but I wanted to touch on some of the things that you were talking about here, especially about the bloodlines and the implants. Now, the people who are abducted typically have kind of some communications through at least some kind of ideas in the cases that you're covering here, or maybe just in your research, have you found that someone maybe the people you wrote about that who doctor
Lear removed an implant from Did they know that was in there? Did they do they remember it being put in there? And have they ever asked or been told what that was all about? Yeah, in many of the cases, they at first did not know that the implant was actually in there,
and under certain circumstances came to find out that there was indeed something. For example, I talk about a case in the book of a gentleman from Colorado whose name is Tim in fact, you know, I think everybody perhaps knows Tim Collin, who is spent on documentaries, and doctor roger Ley removed his implant. He did not know he had an implant in his wrist, and
had sightings. He had sightings with his wife Janet. And it was only until one particular case, as a construction worker at the time, that he accidentally hit his hand with a hammer and took himself to the emergency room to get it checked and they took X rays because you know, the hand was severely damaged by this hammer, and took X rays and they saw on the X ray that, hey, you have a piece of metal in your wrist here. Do you know that you have this? Are you aware of it?
Well? Tim spoke about the fact that immediately as the doctor of the jets did this to him, his mind went right back to the time when he had the encounter with his wife where he saw the craft and the craft hovering above the vehicle, and then knew at that point that I must have gone on board, I must have been taken. This is what they had done to me. And of course he's tried to have regression therapy to uncover all of that event, but like most abductees, they get to a certain
point and you can't get beyond the wall. He's blocked from doing that, which is what these beings tend to do. As I'm sure you're aware, they suppress the information. So then, like I said, you know, he was of the belief that, well, this is what they've put in here, and doctor Roger Lear asked him, you know, well, do you want it to live it in or do you want it removed? And
he said, no, I really want this thing out. And just like every other abductee that has these things, they feel that this new sense of freedom, this new found freedom once these objects are gone and out of the body. But I have to say that one of the cases in the book
also Alice. She did not know that she had an implant in her calf in her left leg after an encounter in nineteen ninety four at the DL Cornado Island in San Diego where there was a whole host of things going on with abductions at that time, when President Clinton was there visiting the town, and the whole place was swarming with Secret Service people, and she just couldn't believe that perhaps they would not know that something like this had taken place with about
fifteen to seventeen people. And it was only after that time at the conference in nineteen ninety six that she met doctor Lea and she was told, she said, by a voice, and she's not prone to healing voices, by the way, that look at your leg, looked down at your leg. And so she followed the instruction. She looked down at her leg and she
noticed a scoop mark, like a kidney shaped scoop mark. That's when she approached doctor Leah and told him of what had happened, and he obviously put it up, you know, put it on X ray and there it was, there was the object and again asked, what do you want to do? Do you want to keep this in or do you want to have it removed? And she said no, of course I want it removed. And I think Roger had actually gained some funding at the time to do three different
surgeries. And Willie Strieber was meant to be one of those three people to have his implant removed from his earlobe, but he backed out at the last minute and said that he felt removing this thing made need to some kind of bad health, to be health issues, so he bats up, you didn't want it removed, And Alice was the lady who went in his place as the third person. With this funding that Roger managed to gain. Now that these implants are removed, you know, now we have something physical and I
think a lot of people wonder this. Of course I've talked to doctor, I know to some of the answers. But what your perspective on, you know, I think a lot of people, well they do. They probably ask you, well, if you have an implant, then why don't you figure out what it is? Well, you've got to go through the necessary steps obviously to find out what it is, whether it's an MRI, it's
a cat scan or whatever, and take the necessary steps from there. You have to remember with this, which I'm sure you are aware of, and there is no portal of entry as to how these things actually got in there, which is of extreme interest. I mean, these things are made of
meteorite. How does a piece of meteorite get in someone's body? So you've got to take the logical steps, and you know, maybe who comes with doctor Leon and find out if he can be of help to to this person who may think they have an implant, and see what what comes forth? Now, how did those were there other effects when the when the implants were removed that the people you wrote about felt, Yeah, they all pretty much said that they found a new sense of freedom once they had this subject removed.
Alice, however, was a little different. Alice actually became quite nauseated and once this was removed, she became quite nauseated and didn't feel too good once it was removed. She never actually said as such that she felt this new fan freedom, but she was starting to have, you know, physical effects from having it removed. She has actually been on board the craft and
sort of had dealings with these beings when she removed her implant. They do not like it, she categorically said, these people do not like it when you have them removed. Now, obviously they don't show any type of human emotion like we do, aggression or frustration. That they're different. Obviously their
makeup is far different. But she said she could just tell. She just got a feeling from it once they knew she had it removed, and basically just put another one inside her ear and said, you won't remove this. And has she been able to do like an X ray to see that that is there? And is she thinking about removing it? I don't believe she is removing it. No, I think she's going to leave it in there.
Same with a guy that I spoke to in Utah, a guy named Ron in the book, he has one behind his left ear and spoke to doctor Lee about it a few years ago actually, and Roger said, well, you know, if I can help you, if you feel you want to have this removed, And he said, well, you know, I think I would like it to be removed, to be honest with you, because this would help science. This could help science in such a big way
to find out what these things really are. However, three days later he was re abducted and told ND to know certain circumstances, you are not to remove this implant. It has to stay in and it is of most importance. So again Ron has the implant in his ear to this day. So moving away from the implant, I mean, it's really interesting and we'll probably
touch on it again. But you also mentioned in the Bloodlind, have you found that in the cases that you've looked at with the abductions that a child and or parent has also had these experiences that it does seem to be a multi generational type of things. Absolutely, most of the cases in the book are generational. There's one, in particular, a case in there which is John's experience, who is actually a scientist, and John, his wife,
and all of his three children are involved with this phenomenon. And for example, the smaller child, he's got two boys and a girl. The smaller child, who's I think she's four, told John one day how she was afraid of the trash truck and he said, well, what do you mean you're afraid of the trash truck? She says, well, Daddy, it reminds me of the ship that comes down and the people that take me up into the sky at night. So I mean, how can you refute that.
You know, children don't lie, Children tell it like it is. Schildren don't need to, you know, fabricate. They're pure. And they have actually been seen him and one of his sons, in particular, on board the craft by someone else that he knows, who's an abductee, who's physically seen him and his son on board of the ship. Yeah, and he said, I was just blown away. I was just blown away by the fact that that has happened, which lends more even more credibility to the
whole thing, you know. So yeah, and he feels you know, when his wife was first pregnant, they got on a trip to I think it was somewhere in Arizona, the Grand Canyon, and his wife back about nine o'clock one evening, decided that she needed to go out to the Grand Canyon and asked John to drive them there. And she said, well, why would she be asking to do this at nine o'clock at night, you know, it didn't make any sense, he said, but I complied.
I went with it, and we drove out there, and the closer I'm reaching the point that we're going to I feel really uneasy and I feel like we shouldn't go any further. I feel that we have to turn back. Well, she kind of felt the same way when they reached a certain point, but didn't know why. The next thing, they know that they're turning
back and they're going back to the hotel. A few days later, they started to have little lashbacks of what had actually happened to them, and as it turned out, to the point that they had got to a section in the road before they made the turning where they needed to go, a UFO had come down in that particular clearing of the road, and that's at the precise point where they said they have to go. They have to turn back.
It didn't feel right and they should leave. Well, what had actually transpired that John remembered that the beings had asked him to pull his car over and to wait. At that time, his wife actually physically goes up through the seat belts, through the roof of the car and into the waiting craft above the vehicle, and he said, all I could do was wait. There's nothing I could do. So it was about ten minutes he was getting
concerned that wife wasn't brought back fifteen. By twenty minutes she came back she was brought back the same way that she'd left the vehicle. She came through the roof of the car and slipped back down into the seat belt, which is I mean, that is phenomenal. The whole thing of that was phenomenal. And that's when they said they have to they felt uneasy, they should
turn around and go back. As it turns out, what they had done when John was abducted a couple of weeks later, they had told John, these gray people that they had given his wife the equivalent of like an amniosynthesis, and that they had indeed placed this needle inside his wife's abdomen and had to do this and this was for the purpose of the child. And John believes that what this was for is they were actually interviewing with the child.
They were interfering with the child's DNA. And he asked them, never ever, ever, to please do that again, never, you know, never have my wife experience anything like that again. Well, these beings turned around and said to John, well, we won't as long as she doesn't get pregnant again. So they're very interesting, he says, for some reason,
they have an interest in my children. And John as a scientist and he's you know, he's got that background, he's got that science mind and believes that they open up to him a little bit more about, you know, things to do with the craft, the propulsion of the craft, show him different things, like they've taken him to the dark side of the moon, showed him where they build their craft more than they would an average person being
taken because John can understand it better. So did he build then that he has an idea or what are his feelings on the motivation to why they are doing this and if it's why they seem to be taking people along his bloodline and this sort of thing they according to John, and like a lot of people, it's this hybridization. They need specific characteristics of your DNA. Whatever
that is, we don't know. But if we look at some of the people that are the majority of people that they're taking, these people in the majority, are they come from an art background, or they're very scientific minded, or they have psychic intuitive abilities. Their personalities are just different from you know, other people. Whether there's a certain understanding there, I don't know. It seems to be the case, but he's talked about hybridization. The
fact that this is part of their program. He knows that he has hybrid children on board the ship. He's met them, and again they are interested in his children. He's even actually taken infrared lights and when his children have had encounters, he's sort of scanned their body with these ultra violet lights and things to see if they have been taken and fingerprints have been left on the children. He doesn't pressurize the children into telling him or his wife what has
happened to them. He kind of lets the children be free with that, and when they feel they want to speak to the parents about it, they come to them and talk about it. But again, everything like Dr David Jacobs has said in his books John Mark Pott Hawkins, it's more about this
reading program. It's of extreme importance to them. And the gentleman you're talking about now, he doesn't seem like he has a combative relationship with these beings and it seems to be at least for him a little more back and forth than other people experience. So does he have a negative feeling towards these entities
or I think it's kind of half and half. I think it was pretty much negative to begin with Alejandro, because he didn't know how to deal with this kind of thing, and certainly he didn't want his children and his wife involved with this kind of thing. But as the years have gone by, he's being more complying with them on a level of some kind of understanding because of the nature of how they talk to him, how they share information,
because of his science background that he can handle it. So it's one that's more of a slightly friendlier terms than what it previously was. And with some people it is that way. With some people they absolutely loathe it. They hate it, they wish it it never happened. They wished to just go away and stop. They don't want this. It's interfering with their lives and their marriages, the relationships. So it's it differs from from a person to
person. A lot of abductees talking about, you know, the typical gray that we invasion, you know, and we see images of around being involved with abducting them in when you interviewed all of these different people today have similar descriptions of the beings and their craft they did. The majority of these nine cases of all being dealing with gray entities, which you know, apparently there
are different types of great entity is as not just one particular type. Ron from Utah, for example, had first encountered a very tall gray that was round about seven seven feet tall or so, and he said he knew that because of the ceiling, his nine foot ceiling, so he knew that this being was approximately seven feet tall, not a typical kind of gray, that
is, you know, three and a half four feet tall. There are also reptilian beings that have been mentioned as a case in the book from Dina and Chris, who are residents here in Las Vegas, who were taken to certain incubatorians on board the ship, and Dina in particular said that while she was there in this incubatorium, there was a reptilian standing god watching what was going on, watching that everybody was complying with what they were asked to do.
And that's quite an interesting case in itself because for Dina, she was taken when she was sixteen years of age, and there were other girls, maybe six or seven other girls of the same age who she did not know,
but saw them on the craft. And she described a huge wall that had ambient lighting from behind it, and in the wall were about thirty baskets, thirty drawers, I didn't know what was in them at first, didn't know where they were until her bean came through and approached them and said to the sixteen year olds, each and every one of them, that we want you to open up the basket. We want you to take the baby out of the basket, and we want you to hold and murture it, and
we want you to hold it to your breast to feed it. And Dina said, well, that's ridiculous, that's impossible. We can't do that. We haven't given birth to these babies, we have no milk. And she said that she was just instructed just to do it from this being. So that's what every single girl did. They took out every single baby from the basket. They complied, and how the baby to their breasts as if they were feeding the babies. And this reptilian was standing guard watching what was going
on, that everyone was complying. As a chapter in the book that I write about the tall Whites that are supposedly out there at Indian Springs, which actually I don't live too far from, and that one of the a guy wrote about Charles Hall his trilogy, that he'd actually worked out there and seen these tall whites during his duties of a weather observer, so we have those as well. We also have like, let me see here, it's pretty
much like a trickster type being. I kind of saw a being similar to this from my experiences, but there was no face with mine, and this one you can actually see the faces of the face of this being that has wrinkles or folds if you like, in the face kind of dark black eyes. It's called a dwarf. A dwarf alien being often referred to as a
trickster one who likes to play games with the experiencer. Has often been seen, you know, pulling the bed covers off the individual or trying to tickle the experience as they live their sleeping And I actually spoke at the Women's twenty twelve UFO conference in Texas that my good friend Paula Harris put on back in
May. I hosted it and spoke there, and as soon as I put up on the slides this particular being, I had a lady that started to talk to me about it and asked me could I give her information of where she could research this being because she actually had an encounter with the same type of being and she said, I was absolutely flawed when I saw the slide come up of this being, so you know, she was happy to see
that other people were involved with this type of being. And of course you got the Nordic beings as well, that we're very similar to the Pleadians. Beautiful features, very angular, beautiful blue eyes, blonde hair, seem to
be very very benevolent and with a totally different type of agenda. Now, when you talked about the hybridization and seeing the babies, it seems that the characteristics of these babies that have been described are usually kind of half human, half gray have But in mentioning all of these other entities, have you had any stories where it seems like maybe it's these other entities that are mixed in
with human characteristics. Not from my research with these nine accounts, no, So does it seem that then this hybrid it's just kinda it seems like it's their program. The great it's their program, But then there are these other entities around that somehow are supportive or play some sort of raw. Yeah, it seems to be that way, and don't know why that is. I
know that many abductees have seen different types of beings. On board the ship, just like Travis Walton, did you know when he saw humanoid looking beings that thought that they were there to help him get off the ship. He said, I thought they were here to help me escape and get off here, But no they weren't. They were kind of like in cohoots with these smaller entities. So they all seem to be sharing some kind of space with
each other, you know, and supporting of what is going on. So with that, have you ran across or all of your stories abduction stories? Are there also encounters that didn't have anything to do with an abduction or at
least any sort of medical examination. They all seem to be involved with that procedure In all honesty, there's only one in the case in the book, which is the case of Chris. She does not remember being on a table of any kind having any experiments done to her, but she does remember, again, just like Dina, being taken to an incubatorium, she was met by a very very tall female et that was bald actually and had beautiful blue eyes, who took her through the ship. She said that she went through
thetual console room where they flew the ship. They operated the crat she saw a huge window that was kind of like a beveled window where you could see out in space, stars upon stars upon stars. She went through there and through kind of like the waiting area where she was initially taken through to the
back end of that where there was the incubatorium. And this female et had opened up a basket again from a wall with ambient lighting and placed this baby in her arms, in Chris's arms, and after again to like, just like Dina, you know, to hold the baby, to love it, to nurture it. And at this point she said that the baby just looked so cute to her. It raised its tiny hand and held on to her little finger, and she said, you know, she got quite emotional about
that situation. But it's very interesting. It's like I said, you know, most of those cases out of the nine of all had experiments of some kind. Apart from Chris, hmm, yeah, very weird. Now a couple of other kind of that. It's already a French subject. But I mean, now it's going to say some of the other I guess theories around what's happening. Of course, some people have mentioned that the field there has been military involvement with their abduction experiences, had or have any of these people
that you talked to ran across anything like that. Chris had an experience where see Chris is a very talented lady, where she's able to meditate, leave her body and travel astroly. And she feels that in one of her encounters, she was actually taken to Area fifty one. She described the runway, she described the buildings, and she said she wanted to put it out there because she wanted to find out if anyone else had had these experiences and seen
what she had seen there. She did remember that while she was out at Area fifty one that she was being approached by these jeeps and at first she thought that she was being approached with what she called like small She didn't know they were grays. She didn't I forget the term that she actually called them, but she didn't think they were grays at first, But as they got closer and closer, she realized that, oh my gosh, these are grays,
and so her jeep a kind of not her jeep. I think she was traveling in a vehicle actually at the time had turned over in a ravine and as she was hiding behind this vehicle that she was in. She noticed these jeeps coming towards her with these small people and was hiding behind the vehicle, and suddenly the Nordic One of these Nordic beings appeared to help her escape and taken to somewhere which she thought was a cave, and he's showing her
all of these different kinds of symbols and writings on the cave wall. So that's interesting. I mean, I don't know if there was any military involvement with an abduction with her especially, but she never mentioned it, but I just thought it was very odd how she had ended up in Area fifty one. Yeah, it's an interesting And this whole event took place out of body, yes, apparently, so she was in some kind of meditative state.
She had a friend in Australia, I think it is not Australia, Canada, and they decided to actually do some kind of an experiment together with the group in Canada and with Chris here in Las Vegas, and it was dealing with ashtle travel and Chris decided that her focus and a mission of astral traveling was going to actually be at the location of Area fifty one, and she said that once she was in a meditative state and experienced being in the zone
of astoral traveling, she found herself driving a jeep that was losing control, and as she drove through a ravine, within moments, the vehicle ended up turning on its side, throwing Chris out of it. Immediately, she said she felt the need to hide, as coming up a long stretch of road was an army of very small men in many many jeeps and heading from what appeared to be the super secret of Area fifty one. So at a distance, she said, she thought the men and that's the word I was looking
for. She thought the men were to be Peruvians. That's the words she used, Peruvians, as they were fairly dark skinned and she thought to be Indian looking, But as they came closer, she realized that no, they were in fact gray beings. Yeah, interesting story now with oh, I asked my tree and thought I had a great question. But then you brought up another point, which is just a variety. I mean, there are a lot of these into the inter or at least people having these with these
sort of stories, and you've probably ran across dozens of them. How did you choose this nine in particular, I had actually I did not know of anyone out here in Las Vegas, for example, So what I did I contacted a lady named Misha Johnson here of Las Vegas. She has an abduction Sport Experiences support group, and I told her that I was, you know, I was looking for abductees to write about in my When You book.
So she invited me along to the group and I met with her members and got to listen to some of the encounters, and Dina's encounter and Chris's encounter particularly stood out, and I thought they would be really great for the book. So that's why I chose those two in particular. I had also met Ron from Utah at Mischa Johnson's group, and he has a right cracking story, you know, so he just had to be in the book because of his experience. And then the others were people who doctor Roger Lear had put
my way because he'd removed their implants. So that's how I came up with the with the nine. And they're great, great stories. I wanted to put more in the book actually, but it's taken twelve months to write this and I wanted to, you know, get it out there and to move on to other things. So I just chose nine for the book. Yeah, that's great. I mean that's a lot. I'm sure there's a lot to read with these nine stories because there are so many stories you could write
forever. Oh absolutely absolutely. But you know, I would have liked more, But like I said, I just wanted to try and get to the point after twelve months, so I really need to wrap this up now and get the book out there. So do you have a feeling in your experience and dealing with this for a few decades now that there I kind of have this feeling, but it's difficult to qualify or to quantify that. It seems in the nineties especially, was that there were a lot of affections happening,
and they seem to have petered off as much. Do you believe that or do you think you know, it's been going as strong as it ever has. I think it's been going as strong as it ever has, to be honest with you, alham I, you know, when I go to conferences or things that people send me via email, you know, it just proves to me that this is ongoing and we don't know when this project of theirs is going to come to completion. They had told a couple of addupties that
yes, it will come to completion. But again with these beings, they're so secretive they never give a timeline. Are they being deceitful? Are they just telling us that we don't know? I had gone to as I mentioned, I've spoken at the conference in May in Texas, Paul Harris's conference, and I was talking about implants in my talk, and at the end of it, I had a young lady that came up to me and she says, can I talk with you for a moment? And I said sure.
She says, I think I have one of those implants that you're talking about. I said really, she said yeah, I do. I said, well, what makes you think that? Why do you think that? She says, well, I have it on X ray. So I thought, hmm, okay, let's delve into this a little bit further. So she said she had gone to have a mammogram, a regular mammogram, and they'd
seen something quite odd, so they sent her to a specialist. So she went to see the specialist and went through a whole numerous different tests to see what this. You know, abnormality was So the doctor says to her, at the end of all of the testing, when you get dressed, please come and see me in my office because I want to talk to you for a moment. So she went into his office and he raised the question. He said, I just want to ask you. Have you ever been shot?
And she said shot? She said no, What makes you think that? He said, well, have you ever been shot, like even just book writing? She says no, never, never been shot. He says, well, you have a piece of metal in your left breast and this is triangular in shape. And what makes it even more odd is that you have no scarification to this thing as to how it got in there. And he says then turns to her, Alejandro, and get this, you know, he says to her, this is a doctor saying this. You're not
one of these people who has an alien implant, are you? So I was blown away. I was totally blown away by the story. So I asked her what she wanted to do. Did she wanted to remove it? She says, well, the doctor says, if you want this thing removed, I can remove it. And she didn't go along with that, and
I said, well, why don't we get you some help. First of all, why don't we try and find a regression therapist for you, so that you can find out who put this in here, why they put it in there, if we can get to know why, usually we don't know why, and take it from there. So she agreed that that was the best scenario to go down. So I managed to locate a regression therapist for her, and she's going through that scenario before she decided what she would like
to do. But I have the x ray. She sent me the x ray and sure enough, there is the triangle piece of metal in her left breast. Now did she feel this doctor was just kind of being silly or did he seem to be actually interested in the phenomena. No, he seemed to be interested in the phenomena. The thing is, later she told me, like a week later, the doctor surgery had completely gone and vanished.
Oh he was gone gone. Oh wow, absolutely yes, couldn't even couldn't even go back and follow anything up with this man because the surgery was completely gone. So that's one of the unique things about doctor Lear is that he is qualified, He's done this surgery, and there aren't a lot of doctors who are willing to invest time or effort in this area. M Yeah, Roger Lear is a pioneer in this whole thing, and as far as I'm
aware, the only person doing this. I had spoken to her about doctor Lear and I said that, you know, if she wanted to have it removed, we could probably approach doctor Lear, who would bring in a surgeon to assist with the removal of that because doctor Lee is a pedietist, so I don't think it could actually remove anything from the breast area, but would assist most likely with it. So we'll see how this develops and where this
goes. But out of all of the cases I've ever heard of, not only for the book, but over twenty years or so of my research, I have never come across anybody that's had an implant in their breast. This is the first of its kind to me. It's interesting and maybe if we could talk your thoughts on the future of this research, because I mean, these stories have been coming for a while, and luckily then you know, doctor Lear did come across and begin removing these things, even though he was
skeptical at first. Do you think we'll learn more or do you think this will stay enigmatic and forever. Well, that's a really good question, and unfortunately I don't have an answer to that. I don't know where this is going to go. I don't know how intense and how far beyond this project is that they are dealing with that they're trying to you know, complete, if they are trying to complete it, I don't know. I'm kind of of the same kind of mind as Dr David Jacobs, to be honest with
you. You know, when he talks about that there's there's definite there's a definite beginning and a middle to this and probably at some point an end to this alien agenda, he's of the opinion, and I think I have to agree that after you know, he's shypnotically regressed all these hundreds upon hundreds of people and through what he's uncovered during those regressions, that the results suggests that there could be an end to this being's project, which concludes them infiltrating in
our society alien human hybrids from their program. And he talks about, you know, he's not actually hopeful of what that outcome would be, the future would be for our planet st He believes that there would be no other possible reason for aliens to create, you know, create such a hybrid race if in fact they were not about to see them here to coexist human kind. And I have to wonder the same thing, Alejandro. I have to speculate
that. I mean, are there not already hybrids among us? Apparently people have seen hybrids in Goswan. The remote viewer had, you know, met with a hybrid or an avatar in a grocery in a supermarket in the middle of California. And there's but many others who have seen hybrids. So maybe they are preparing ut for that to happen. You know, the ultimate intention of these alien beings is to to see them here amongst us. So who
knows, you know, it's just a fascinating and you know phenomena. Yeah, so difficult, and it's difficult to say, I think when that beginning is who knows how far it goes back, if not thousands of years, if not to the beginning of mankind? Who knows? Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's there's numerous questions to be raised regarding it, and it's a challenging phenomena. And the more questions that we seem to raise, the
more they do seem to outweigh the answers. I think there's probably a couple of main questions to ask you, you know, is the phenomena then solely to do with perhaps the preservation of life here on earth? And will this alien breeding program be of any benefit to us as a civilization? Well, yeah, no doubt that we aren't the best stewards of the planner that this
was, so who knows. And it's also because it seems as though you would feel, because of your experience in particular, that there are other entities out there with more positive agendas. For sure, they're absolutely is you know, and more often than not, you know, the whole thing religious thing of well, where does God play in all of this, with all of these races and these different people, Well, of course there can only be only one, you know, And as it is said and stayed in the
Bible. In my father's house, there are many mansions. That's what that's implying, surely that we are not the only people here that he would see. There are many races that we know nothing about. That it's a vast universe out there, and you know, it's claimed that these these gray entities are coming from Zeta Reticuli, which is thirty nine light years according to Stanton Freeman. It's just down the street. It's not that far. So who
knows how many life forms there are out there? There has to be, you know, many, many, many that we've will never probably encounter in our lifetime, but are here for sure, some of them visiting our planet. We're in an abundance of life. So why would you not come here if you have a project? Did she want to fulfill? Yeah? Interesting, So in your book you've got a lot of these beautiful illustrations also, and they're done by Christine Dennett. And she did these, I take it
from people describing to her their experiences she did. Indeed, she's a phenomenal artist. Somehow she's able to tune into these people, and I'm sure she has a psychic ability of some kind because she's able to do it with such accuracy and portray in her drawings of what these beings actually look like. So I was honored that she was able to do that for the book. And we have about five pieces of artwork in here of these different beings that people
are encountering. Yeah, I'm looking at them at the website here, and they're great pictures and the cover is pretty strike and I take it that that is also taken from a firsthand experience. It is indeed. Yeah, this was the case I actually investigated in England. And she's named Roxanne in the
book. I've changed her name for obvious reasons. But this was taken from a scene that she drew for me of what had happened of her and being found as an abductee on a table and being presented by a hybrid child and was asked to hold this hybrid child because this was her child. And Roxanne got up off that table and put her hands in front of her and said, no, I cannot hold this child. She said it was the most creepiest, weirdiest looking child ever and had something to do with them. This
was not by far human child. This had something to do with their genetics. Would not hold it, didn't want to be a part of it. She actually had an alien implant in her jaw, by the way, that was shown on X ray. And I'd said to her at the time, you know, well, would you like to have this removed? And she said yes, she would. I said, well, let me talk with my dentists. And see if we can get this removed. But on the understanding that once the object is removed that it would stay in my possession.
She agreed to it, and of course as we got closer to getting this finalized, she backed out. She said she didn't want to do it. She felt she should leave it in there. And this is the same thing that we get over and over and over and over with these abductees, that some kind of mind control I'm guessing from these beings that are telling them, no, you have to leave that in there. You can't remove it. So I think to this day she must probably still have it in there,
and do her experiences continue that you know of. I haven't been in contact with her for a very long time, so I don't know. Chances are they most likely are because her mother also had encounters. Again, we've got this lineage thing going on. Although her mother didn't want to talk about it too much at the time. It was purely you know, rock fans encounters
that she wanted to talk to me about. So she said this thing and her jaw would buzz every time they were getting closer and an encounter would happen. But she would hear it in her ear and her dog, a pet dog would goglistic. It would run around the circles, run up and down the house, just acting really wild. Couldn't control the dog, and this would go on for about an hour. So I, like I said, I don't know, maybe her encounters are still ongoing. Maybe the dog has
an implant. Who knows. Maybe, So I mean this is again, I mean, how do we know how far this this thing goes? It's in plant. It's often I think interesting you that people. I mean, this is a very traumatic experience. Of course, if these beings are coming and taking people out of their bed, it's there's just so many interesting and weird things about it. Of course, you know, some people seem to be taken out of neighborhoods where you know, there's a bunch of people there,
but somehow they're taken without being noticed. And also people seem they have to move on with their life, of course, but they seem able to cope with something that to an outside person would be something that might be inculpable. Well like, yeah, I think some do. Some have a real issue was coping with it because it's it's and it was the same for rock Sand's case. You know. I mean, she was a young twenty year old and they're the things that happened to her. People would say, well,
you know this is this is typical the twenty year old. You know, if she can't hold a job down, she's not she's in an out of relationships. But she termed that happening to her because of her encounters. She lost perspective on what was reality. And I think this is the case with a lot of people. They have a hard time dealing with this and who can you go to to talk to about it? You know, they have to find local groups that support groups like Mischa Johnson's group here in Las
Vegas. Got to find understanding people who can openly share things with and be exceptional listeners. Some people do cope. I mean, I've coped with my encounters. Fine, I don't have an issue with it, but there are many out there who don't, and this is very traumatic for them. You know, you mentioned that abductees are taken from the most strangest places. Yeah, in England, there was one guy that was taken from one house after
going to see a Davy Bowie concert and placed in someone's different house. I mean, how does that happen. I mean, it seems that these people make the stakes. You know. Bud Hopkins and John mc had a conversation about this very thing a number of years ago, where Bud talks about his clients. Two of his clients were abducted and placed back in each other's vehicle, not in their own vehicle, and as they're driving down the highway,
they realize that they're in each other's vehicle. Well, the beings must have picked up on this, re abducted them and then placed them back in the right vehicle. Really, yes, I mean that is so bizarre, very bizarre. Staff So they make the stakes? Why do they make the stakes?
You know? They apparently, according to a neurologist guy that I'd spoken to a few years ago, had a couple of high ranking Area fifty one people seeing him as his clients, and he said, one guy opened up about this whole thing and talked about the fact that we're working with them out there at Area fifty one. They have an IQ of three hundred, They have an IQ of three hundred, but they're placing people back in the wrong
vehicle. How does that happen? And this neurology shared this information with you shared this information. Yeah, because at the time my first book was coming out, Haunted Las Vegas, and we got talking about that, and of course one subject led to another, and of course my favorite subject is extraterrestrials alien encounters, and we got talking about that and he openly shared it.
He said that this guy his wife was terminally in wolf cancer and wanted to quit what he was involved with so he could spend time and look after her. She hadn't got long to live and he had, you know, for what he was involved without there at Harry fifty one, they wouldn't let him do it, he said. So I'm just going to speak and openly talk about it as it is. He said, I don't give a down. You know what they say to me. They can kill me, shoot me
whatever they want to do. Well, we are working categorically with four foot tall gray entities out there at Area fifty one underground and we are back engineering craft and that these beings have an IQ of three hundred. And that's what he shared. Wow, it was a neurologist able to or willing to get you in touch with this person. Well, we didn't go that far. I doubt whether he would have you know, that would have actually been possible, and you know how it is. But you know, I can,
I know who he is. I could perhaps, you know, try and follow up it to a later stage with him. Yeah, especially if someone's willing to open up. And you would think a lot of those Area fifty one workers work right there in Las Vegas, right, Oh. Absolutely. And I had interviewed actually a cleaner at one of the test sites. I don't think she was actually at Area fifty one. She was at a different test site, and she did not want to give her name. She didn't
really want to come forward. I had to coax her a little bit through her daughter to answer I think thirteen questions that I had for her at the time, and I'd placed them on my website so that people could read it. But she talked about very openly how cleaning this facility. One day, she was in one of the rooms and there was a binder on top of one of the worktops work services, and she accidentally knocked it onto the floor
and out fell from this binder ID tags, she said. And as I bent down to pick up the ID tags that had fallen from the binder, I noticed that they were actually alien beings. There were photographs of alien beings on the ID tags with their own number, she said. So I came to the conclusion, Oh my god, they're out here working with us, so she said. She quickly scooped up the ID tags, she put them into the binder, and she put the binder back on top of the worktop
like nothing had happened. She says, but these were the typical great type beings that we are seeing. You know, we're shown on TV TV programs, TV documentaries, et cetera. And they even get issued security badgers. Huh, it appears. So she said that each one had a photograph and underneath it was a number. Well, there are some interesting things going on
in the deserts around you there. Huh. They're are for sure, And I don't know if it's you know, if it's going to stay, you know, it's going to have quiet moments, or whether this is a repeated thing. I mean, I've had sightings out here, and it'll be nice if more and more people came forward to open up about the subject. And so people can go to Tracy Austin dot com to get your book. They can go to Let's Talk Paranormals dot com. Okay, let's talk paranormal dot
com. Yeah, they can do that. They can actually get it directly from my publisher, who is Shiffer. Okay, they go on Amazon dot com, or they could go to a local bookstore. It's in Barns and Noble as well, so most bookstores I think are carrying it at this time. All right, great, So what's next for you? Oh? What's next? Boy? I am trying definitely to get my TV show back up and running, getting off the ground in some way, shape or form.
So's it's in its very very early stages. It's trying to make that happen. So don't want to say too much about it at the moment, you know, when I try and make its tough, power and all that kind of thing, until it's you know, something has come come forward and into fruition. So that's the plan I'm moving on right now. Okay, great, So people go to Let's Talk Paranormal dot com, get the book, and thank you so much for being on the show again. Thank you,
Alejandra, Thank you for having me back. It was a great pleasure to be here talking with you today. Oh excuse me, ah, right, that was a lot of fun. Tracy is one cool chick man, So go check out her book. It sounds very interesting, and of course don't forget in her hometown, her current hometown of Las Vegas. Tomorrow night, you've got US Air Force Blue Book Secrets of Theield so and actually it says Area fifty one secrets for real, mind, none of those guys actually worked
at Area fifty one. That's okay because oh no, it's military UFO file secrets, so that's more accurate. But so that's gonna be a really interesting, very interesting show. So you guys got to check that out. So book your flight to the Last Vegas and then, like she said, check out Let's Paranormal Let's Talk paranormal dot com to see Tracy's book and to also
she did actually a cable show. It was on community television but very well produced for many years, and you can go to her site and watch those videos. She did some radio shows and like she said, oh when I should mention, a lot of that was in La But now she's in Las Vegas and hopefully she will get her show running again because it was really interesting. She's got some great interviews there. Anyway, Thank you so much for
joining me once again on UFO Think Tank Radio. As you know, I adore each and every one of you and am so ex ecstatic to spend this time with you. Every week, you guys rock the kaz Bah, Take it easy and we'll talk to you next week. Are you a smooth at a dist m