So funny thing. The other day, I got a message from a guy and he was like, you know, it was regarding one of the videos I did recently where I was talking about some of the new stuff that I'm doing and and the you know, the podcast that I'm doing, and he's like, well, You're just not going to stop out of the blue,
out of nowhere and just disappear again, are you? And I kind of thought, maybe, you know, that's except for me, you know, any one of us could Yeah. Yeah, and it's not like they're paying for it or something. So but I also then thought it would be funny to just start out of the blue. I can. So essentially, like the news here, which I haven't even told you yet, is that I'm restarting Open Minds UFO Radio. Wow you are yeah, you are here.
Wow. It's a little there. Yeah. So and the reason is, like I don't know, I did review in my first rowe host report, you know, kind of the background of Open Minds and everything that's happening, and this all culminated into the website being down. But I am going to be able to bring the website back up. I already have you know,
all these listeners when it comes to UFOs and the row has report. I'm still going to do weekly, but it's going to be you know, people have to pay for that, as you understand, because we have to put a lot of time and money and effort into doing this these shows. So but this is what I'm going to do. And and this is also kind
of going to serve as an invitation of sorts for you. Of course, you know I should tell the listeners who don't know, although most do that I have on with me Martin Willis, Yeah, usually on with me for UFO News. But here's what I'm going to do. I'm not changing a lot from what I've already told people. I'm doing every Friday. I'm going to review the news. That's going to be my like open mind GFI radio newscast type of thing. And I'll have a special guest every Friday. And
I was wondering, hopefully you can join me this Friday. That'd be great. I just well, I might be able to change something. If not, that's fine, well I'll figure somebody out. But sorry to put you at the spot. But like, I'll have a guest and we'll just review the stories of the week and kind of talk back and forth a little bit, and that's going to be the podcast on Fridays. People might be like, well, what about the interviews and other stuff. Well, that's going
to be The Rojas Reporter. So that is going to be a premium service. So oh, hey, good idea. Yeah, I get what you're doing. Yeah, so I mean to monetize, So I still want to get you know, people with open mind GFI radio, some content and some
fun and good content. And we'll definitely have fun on whether it's you or any of my other buddies you know who are doing cool stuff around you know, the paranormal or UFOs or space or whatever, and we'll talk about the news and we'll get their take and what they think, and it'll be fun, casual type of thing. And I am going to live stream that on YouTube. So here's kind of how that breaks down. The Friday podcast will
be open to everyone. He'll be free. However, the roehas report the video side of things, like live streaming on video that you'll have to subscribe to on YouTube or Patreon if and then even the audio part for The Rojas Report is going to be a subscription service on Patreon or Podbean, which is what I'm streaming through. But it's very cheap. It's a buck fifty a month, so it's super cheap people can afford that, and then you'll get
to hear my entire interviews. I'm gonna have lots of really cool, interesting interviews coming up here. I'm also going to do reports. In other words, I'm gonna do like lectures, my presentations, and I'm gonna research. So here's what I'm gonna do. So, for instance, this first one I'm gonna do tomorrow, and I'm gonna schedule that soon is and I don't know, people will probably hear this maybe today or tomorrow. I'm still working
on the technical side. They haven't come back to me that they've forwarded the streaming part to podbeams. So when I post this today, hopefully everybody will get it that are subscribers, but if not, as soon as they get that done, that'll happen. But okay, I mean so, so the Rojas Report people will subscribe to. If you subscribe on Patreon, you can subscribe for a buck fifty a month and get all audio of everything I do
and of course all the free stuff. Subscribe at the five level level dollar level, you'll get all of the you'll be able to join all the videos live right there on Patreon, so you'll be able to come in, ask questions and watch us do our live streams. On YouTube, there's a subscription service of course, YouTube's just video. So if you subscribe on YouTube, you will get for a dollar ninety nine access to all the archive videos.
So this is after they're done uploaded onto YouTube. You can watch all of the live streams, and then for six ninety nine on YouTube you can join live on YouTube and talk with us and everything. So tell me how that works. I'm curious to know how that works where someone can actually talk live. I mean they're not gonna you won't look well, they're going to be live in the chat, you know, like we've been doing with these live
streams. But you can also bring someone on live. I'm gonna try to start to do that, like, so you can just join them, join them in the feed if you bring it in to the feed. Yeah, our tool will let us do that wow tool that we use to live stream. So if someone's like in the chat and they have a question, I could say, anybody got a question that has a camera and a mic, and if they say yes, I can just bring them on and then they can ask their question right here. So that's pretty fun. And I didn't
even know that had the capability to do that. Amazing the technologies freaking amazing, dude, it is. That's awesome. So yeah, and I'm streaming to Patreon and YouTube at the same time, so you know, people can join either place and participate either place. Of course, Patreon you get everything at five bucks, absolutely everything, so that's the best deal. But if you want to go audio only for buck fifty, even if you want to
stick to the free and you'll get my Friday shows for free. I'll probably try to put some ads on them eventually, but so you can go no ad for a very So that's kind of going to be the model. So back to Open Mind GUFO Radio. Now the Rojas Report is going to be more than just UFOs and that's why I was kind of like trying to do it separate. But now I've decided, you know what, I should try to intermingle it because a lot of people I want to retain that Open minds
audience, and I thought the website was going to die. It's slowly been dying because I haven't had access to the back end to keep to day. I've only been able to kind of post stuff on the front end of the work press, and so it essentially died. It was slowly dying, it finally died. But luckily I've been able to work out a way this week where hopefully I'm going to be able to get it in an area where I will have access to that back end and I will be able to update everything.
Wow, And so people can look for the audio podcasts going up on a regular basis, then, yeah, so you'll get weekly podcasts just like normal. They'll be shorter, they'll be every Friday, and they'll probably be thirty minutes to an hour, and it'll be me and again kind of talking and having fun and casually talking about the news of the week, space news, sci fi news, and of course UFON news that that's what we'll be
covering. And then if you subscribe at the dollar fifty level through Podbean or through Patreon, whichever you prefer, you'll be able to listen to the audios of The Rojas Report, which is something that's an hour to two hours long that is more in depth coverage, and then if you want to join any of these things live, because I'm going to be doing live streaming every single one of these things. If you want to join live, then join on
Patreon for five dollars or YouTube for six ninety nine. Obviously Patreon's a better deal and you'll be able to join us live for well, I've already got a bunch of Patreon people. So when I do my first one, and for an example, I'm like, when I do a report, it's going to be interviews or I'm going to deep dive into topics. So the first one I'm gonna do is to the Stars. So I do this presentation on
to the Stars, and essentially it's more than to the Stars. It's more about all the players involved with this Pentagon project, how this came about Big Low, that whole entire history, to show you how this all came about something you're familiar with. But you know, there's a lot of listeners and I ask people what do you want to hear about, and they're like, well, I'm confused. I want to hear more about that, So we're
going to do that. I also do a lot of other lectures that aren't available and sometimes people ask me about them, so soon I'll be doing like people were asking for aliens and religion, so kind of how eupology and the belief in aliens has influenced religion and created new ones. Actually, people were asking about Spolberg and UFOs because I really love my I talk on that.
But I'm going to do that for Phoenix Move On on July fourteenth, and that's going to be live stream, so everybody can watch that one for free, actually on Open Minds. But here's another one I'm going to do.
I'm going to deep dive into the details on the DoD UFO misinformation because they have, you know, really get into the details of what the DoD has been saying to shed doubt on what Lou Elizondo, who worked for the UFO Pentagon program, was saying, and how really everything so far that Lou has said, except for maybe one controversial comment, everything that Lewis said has panned out to be real, whereas all the doubt that DoD was shedding the press
office has been false. So I'm just going to focus on that one thing and go through that history, which I think will be really important. So yeah, so that's my New World buddy, Well, that is great, and I'm really interested in about the misinformation disinformation aspect, and I'm still wondering if we may be getting played a little bit here and there in different ways. You know that by to the stars. No, not necessarily, but
maybe on a higher level. You know it, you know it. I agree one hundred percent, and this is why I'm really disappointed with people right now in this whole Wilson document affair. You know, you and I have talked about it. It's big on you know, I was on Coast to Coasta the other day talking about it. Of course, John Greenwald and I have not been on good terms, but if you don't mind me sharing,
it was you who recommended that. I watched John Greenwald's analysis and I thought it was excellent, and I was shocked how similar I wonder if he heard me on Coast to Coast and thought, oh my gosh, he's just repeating what I did in my video, which wasn't the case. I hadn't I hadn't even seen his video, and I could see why he would say that. Think that because I know I've heard a lot of similarities, and I
think right on on a lot of his analysis. But here's my problem is I keep telling people, dude, there's been a lot of research on the MJ twelve documents. They've been debunked thoroughly. I've got my own research. Look at all this great research, and people are like, well, you know, good disinformation. Some is real, some isn't. But they want to believe at all. So they want to believe that these guys had this super mega secret project. And they decided, Okay, people are starting to
get a clue and they weren't, so this isn't even a thing. But even if they said thought this way, people are starting to get a clue that we exist. So how can we best hide ourselves? How about this will leak out information about the name of our program, how our program was created, every single member of our program, and that'll really fool everybody. Oh my gosh, they'll be tricked because we're going to share everything about our
program that makes no sense. Even the people are saying, well, maybe a little bit of it's true. Well, you people are arguing that all of these things are true, so they can't all be true given arguments, right, Well, the best disinformation is truth mixed in with misinformation. Well that is the best and multiplec and Kevin Randall has done a lot of good work on this, and he has found that there was an MJ twelve project.
It was a Navy project, and or it was called Majestic Cwelth something very similar, the same name essentially, So it would make sense that if they wanted to create this disinformation about you know, this top secret government program and everything, that they would use a real name of a real project so then people can find documents. Look, this project was referenced here and here, which has happened a bit, But that may be the only truth to
it. I think it is. Personally. The other aspect people ignore is that, well, two other big things that I'll mention before in the whole list of problems, but number one is at the very first mention of this program and is in a document that was leaked by an Air Force Office of Special Investigation officer named Richard Dodie, who says he faked the document because he
was leaking disinformation for his bosses. So the very first document MJ twelve is mentioned in the guy who created it, who people are believing for some reason these days, everything he says has said it was disinformation. But people are like, oh, well it's real. Well what about this guy saying it's disinformation? Will still doesn't mean and some of it's not real. You can't. That's the way. That's sloppy thinking. It's sloppy research. You can't
base these things. Here's the other problem, the final one I'll mention, which is that the documents, the MJ twelve documents firshomenes that got leaked are also the ones that list all the members and the name and everything, all the whole cats out of the bag are very similar to the research of William Moore and Stanton Friedman. And little did Stanton Friedman know at the time that they were doing this work, that William Moore was working with Richard Dody secretly
to disseminate fake documents. Yeah, I mean, the credibility is so terrible, it's so dubious. So then you get to these Wilson documents that are like, oh, this admiral is confirming that these aliens are real or blah blah blah. We haven't done to your point, this is what this is all getting back to, is that we have an inkling of an idea that perhaps there has been official disinformation campaigns around UFOs. Richard Doty claims that now
Richard Doty is a liar. He's lied about many many things. So when Richard Doty says he was faking documents, which he was, I mean, that's very well documented. But when he says he was faking documents at the behest of his superiors, that we have to question because that we have not proven and at least in the foyer documents I have received regarding all of this, they're essentially saying, no, we never told him to do that. So essentially they're trying to claim he was lying, but they won't go on
the record on this, And that's my argument. We've got to do research and we've got to get on the record first. We have to figure out what this information is out there before we try to argue that any of this is real. And that's one area where we've got really a blind you know, we're completely blind. Nobody is really looking into this, and yet they're going forward and purporting that you know, this this stuff that originally was said
to be false information based from on disinformation is being purported as real. In the biggest story in the history of euthology. Yeah, why do you think this? This just seems to happen repeatedly, you know where you know, you mentioned, you know now it's ongoing with the Wilson. My stand My thoughts on the Wilson document is, I don't I think it's a hoax myself. Now, maybe I noticed so, you know, I got some negative email from saying that on my show, and you and I both saying that.
But again, you know, people will It's awful hard to change someone's mind once they have their their mind made up that something's right. Yeah, I don't even I don't know if I would use the word hoax necessarily, but I would say again, I like John Greenwald's analysis because he's looking for an alternative answer, and he's saying, well, maybe this was you know, them him putting together a script for a show like he does for television
shows that he produces. That would be a possibility, but what are the possibilities. It's hard to say. I don't think Eric Davis is a liar, but Eric Davis hasn't said that conversation happened or all of that is really yet he says no comment. He says no comment, and I've personally asked him and he's personally told me no comment. So, uh, is it a hoax? Possibly if that conversation happened, doesn't mean those things are real. No, Wilson is adamant those conversations did not happen. Even if it
did happen, anybody can be susceptible to hoaxes. Even the group we're talking about, the Davis put Off Kick Green group. You know, we're considering whether or not the the I think very obviously fake alien autopsy videos. In these seam in the same leaks with the Wilson documents, you can see they
were seriously considering whether or not the alien autopsy was real or not. And one of them, Kick Green, the guy with the most experienced because he's he's you know, in the medical field, saying oh, yeah, I think it's real and then remember, yeah, completely wrong. So everybody is susceptible to being fooled, and uh, and so are Davis and put Off in everybody else in TTSA. The only person who's really shed doubt on this whole thing is Chris Mellon. And why would he do that? He's got
way more experience working with black projects and SAPs. He was kind of he was the guy who would go get that information for the Senate Intelligence Committee. You know, he's very intimately familiar with all of this, and he's the
only kind of descender in the group. And that's because he's most experienced, he knows best, and I think that that it's better to take your cues from him than some of the others on this issue personally, Right, I've said, I believe I've said on your show a number of times in the past. As a fine art appraiser, you know, I look at things a couple of ways that there's you know, just a couple of sayings. One of them is, you know, the weakest part of the painting is
the strongest the painting will be. That's when you're praising a painting. So you look at a nice painting and you try to look for the worst part of it, and that is as good as it gets for the whole painting. And when when really good artists got old and they couldn't, you know, perform as well as are, that's why their prices are lower for you know, their later work and stuff like that. And then another thing is if you find a fake document and a collection, then you have to question
the whole collection. Once you find your first fake, everything becomes questionable, right. I think that's yeah, go ahead. Now. I just think it's like a guilty to prove an innocent situation. Yeah, and it has to be. And people are taking it from the other perspective. But that's that's I'm sorry, that's a little bit sloppy research. And and you're right, people are ignoring some of the the bad stuff in the lot because they really like this one thing that they think is good. So you know,
you make a really great point on that. And another thing, you know Ufo Joe who's been a real proponent and wrote an excellent article, and I love his article because he really outlines the history of this whole Wilson document and everything. But now he's trying to say Brian Bender, who's saying, I
think this is a hoax. Brian Bender, who's very familiar. He works daily writing defense or policy articles for Politico, and these are the people he converses with, with the military insiders and the policymakers, and he's saying it doesn't ring true to me at all. To me, it's an obvious hoax, and UFO. Joe is saying, well, you haven't even interviewed anybody regarding it. Who's he supposed to interview Wilson, who Jillie Cox has interviewed
and says it's not real. Davis, who's going to say no comment like he has with the rest of us. Miller, who is supposedly the naval commander retired, who got Davis into this meeting with Wilson, who's also saying it doesn't didn't happen. Who's he supposed to talk to, right, I mean, there's there's nothing there. And he was saying, he was saying, Miller was the one to talk to the other day when I spoke with
him. But yeah, but Miller, Miller, Miller is saying, you're telling me that Miller is saying that he was He didn't, he wasn't involved. And Joe did include that in his article that Miller is saying that I didn't read that part. Like John Greenwald was saying in his thing, you know, to them, this is somehow evidence that it's real. These guys would deny it. But you know, at the same point Greenwald was making, now I was making before, if it's so important that they deny it.
Why are they Why did they tell Davis this back in two thousand and two when they didn't even know Davis. This was the very first time Wilson met Davis, and supposedly he was complaining that Miller, the guy who connected them, leaked too much information about what Wilson knew. Yet, when they introduce him to this guy, while he's upset that they gave out too much information, he decides to just spill the beans on everything with this guy he
doesn't even know. It doesn't make any sense at all that I think. If that happened to me, I'd be like, why is this Wilson guy telling me this? I would take it with a very heavy grain of salt. Yeah. The other thing we should say, really big news. Have you seen the big news today about the congressional or some type of a government document or something someone sent me something I haven't looked at it yet. Yeah, so this is really big. This is really cool. So the Senate
Intelligent Committee is essentially in this new bill for funding. In it they have a section on UAPs. That's right, it was, yes, the Senate Intelligence Committee, who essentially is who Chris Mellen used to work for back in the day. They are asking for a report on UAP. And what's interesting is they want it by March up next year. And if you look, I've tweeted it. To the Stars has tweeted it, a lot of people have tweeted it. Brian Bender just released a story on Politico about it.
But they want a lot of detail. They want to know, you know, what is there. They want a detailed analysis on UAP. They want to know information from all these different intelligence agencies. They want to know about what the FBI knows because supposedly there was some sort of FBI investigation on a UAP. They want to know all kinds of stuff, and they encourage the Navy. Essentially, this is what's crazy. This is really neat. This is kind of weird too. They are asking this of the idea FI Aerial
Phenomena Task Force at the Office of Naval Intelligence. So there's some speculation about this, but essentially people are saying a TIP essentially was taken over by many different agencies, including the Office of Naval Intelligence, and so that's their new name, the Unidadified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, which, like Elizondo said from the beginning, still continues to this day, and this is evidence of that as well. So I'm sure to get much more as far as details.
I haven't even liked. The political story literally just hit, so I haven't even read that. I have been seeing Brian Bender's tweets. But I also wanted to remind people that when you try to accuse Brian Bender of not talking to people, Brian Bender has a ton of sources that are insiders that he talks to first about every story when deciding to go forward, and most of
those sources don't even make it into his stories. So you got to remember he's involved in the whole community that he's talking to about this stuff, so he's very plugged into all of that. So yeah, one more thing.
Yeah, I wanted to talk to the other day when you're on Coast to coast on Sunday night, I think it was George Knapp and you kind of went back and forth with the speculation of a news story coming out in the New York Times, and I just wanted to address the fact that I actually reached out to two people that I think would be involved in something like that, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kane, and they both said they have nothing in
the works, right. That is a super important point. Thank you so much for bringing that up, and great work for reaching out to those guys. For sure, unless tomorrow something will break well, And that's really I have heard from a couple of people who have been contacted by a reporter about a New York Times article, presumably about crash retrievals. So this could be
a ramp up to Roswell, you know, writing a Roswell story. It could be following up on, you know, the President's statement that he heard something weird about Roswell. But I think what you just added is really important and is I don't care if I tweet what you just said too, Oh sure, because it's important. Because if those guys aren't involved, who we know are very well versed on this topic, it's very probable. I think that whatever article will be coming out will be tongue in cheek. It'll be
your standard tongue in cheek Rosy. You know President's talking about Roswell. Roswell, is this silly idea that aliens crashing in the desert a nineteen forty seven I would think it would be along those lines, unless for some reason they have some amazing, you know source that's coming out to say I was there. Admiral Wilson is saying it's true what's in these documents or something. You know, unless that's happening, which is highly doubtful, that's probably what it
is. And George Knapp thinks they may be looking to write a story, but he thinks there's no way they're going to write something that it's unlikely that they'll get enough good substantiated information to actually pen everything or publish anything. So yeah, and for that type of that type of story, they really take their time right before they and they really vet things before they let it out.
I was really surprised when Leslie told me they took about three months two and a half months, yeah, to publish that December sixteenth, twenty seventeen article. Yeah, for that reason, that's one of the reasons I think this could be a Rosewell anniversary type of article. That makes sense. Yeah, So we'll see. And of course those are a dime a dozen. Those come out often during the anniversary period of time, and typically they're very
tongue in cheek, so we'll see what happens. Of course, a lot of people think they're going to be doing some big expose on the Wilson documents, but unless anybody came forward, they wouldn't be able to prove anything. And typically historically, when a mainstream media publication is trying to write about UFOs and that whatever their topic is is unsubstantiated rumor especially something weird and fringy like this, they end up making fun of it, you know, and the
people who believe it. So so we'll see what happens, my friend. That's right, we'll see, all right. So thank you everybody for joining this special kind of special podcast. It's very special. It ended in a special or it began and they special way, and it's going to end in a special way, which is guess what, just silence. It's just going to end like this. We can do kind of the awkward thing. Okay, Wednesday, Ning, it's ennyhow Hi, everybody, thank you so much
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called What's Doug Reading? Because he's always reading these weird things. He gets ahold of all this weird esoteric stuff. So we're just going to talk about it and that ought to be fun and funny. So we're going to do one Thursday kind of an introduction to it. So and then I'll be talking to you hopefully on Fridays. If not this Friday, future Fridays. You can't make it that's fine because I'll get some other guests also in on that. But and then tomorrow, which is Wednesday, I'm also going to be
interviewing Bryce's Abel for Den of Geek. I'm going to be doing a live stream and we're going to be talking about UFO disclosure, because I feel that he is really kind of on the fringe with UFO disclosure. He's kind of like, you know, they need to tell us this, this and that, and I'm kind of like, well, what do you expect them to tell you? And so that's what I'm gonna ask him tomorrow. So we're
going to talk about what he thinks is going on. But also, he wrote a television show about a pandemic and a lot of what was in the show has come true. And he also had to postpone nine to eleven. When he was at the president of the Academy of Arts and Sciences, he was in charge of postponing the Academy Awards, which is what's going on now. So we'll talk a little bit about that too. Yeah, excellent, Bryce is always great. Bryce is great. Yeah, all right, so
that's it. Why don't you help me, oh, help me do my typical ending? Remember I think so it's audios. I know that part. Okay, so that's what we're going to do. Ready. Three two one. I said that no oblowence fuel at all