Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello and welcome my friends to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandro rojash you're a host for this wonderful show, Open Minds Radio, which I already said Rob said that too, Bobby. We have an awesome show today. I'm really excited about it because we have some Norwegian fellows.
Yes, we were able to contact them all the way back in their homeland and get a hold of them. This is Truell and Terry actually, because that's what they go by Frish English speakers who can't say their real names properly and it is a little difficult, although they had problems with me my name, so it win both ways. But the top tens and there are new Paradigm films. They've meant made several UFO related films, the latest one
being The Day Before Disclosure. That's the one we've talked about because it won the People's Choice Award at the International UFO Congress at the EBU Award, so they took one of those cool ebe statuettes with them home, so we're really happy that they want. One thing that's exciting about this film in particular is
that they put it online for free. So many of our listeners, at least a few of you, have probably already seen this online for free, and I thought that was an incredible and super cool thing for them to do, because you know, people are always complaining about being able to get content for free, although it's not free to put the content up in the first place, so it did cost them a lot, and we talked about that on the show, so that's really cool. I was really happy for that
reason to see these guys when plus it's a great show. So it's New Paradigm's film. New Paradigmfilms. Dot no is their website, and we'll talk more about that later. There's some really great guys and it's a really interesting conversation. Also, I want to thank Big JD his You Talking to Me show from Detroit. He's on CJAM ninety nine point one. Did an interview with him earlier today. You can look him up Big JD and listen to that interview. We talked about all kinds of UFO stuff, for half an
hour. It was a lot of fun, really cool, nice guy, and I want to thank him for having us on. We talked about a lot of the latest news. There's someone else who likes to talk a lot about the latest news, and that is a gentleman by the name of Jason McClellan who works here for Open Minds. We always put UFO headlines up on the website to keep you up today, and Jason comes here every week to update us on the latest. And he is here again. Jason, how
are you, buddy. I'm great, Alejandro. I'm Big JM. And I like to talk about the news. All right, Big JM? Is that your new radio name. It's not, but in honor of Big jd our new friend, I thought i'd throw out the Big JM. But I'll leave the big to him. Anyway. Let's get into the news, my friend, because I love talking about the news. This is your Open Minds newsbury From Monday, April eleventh, twenty eleven, The FBI unveiled the Vault,
a new electronic reading room, on their website last week. The Vault currently contains more than two thousand digitized documents that are available for public browsing, and some of these files contained references to UFOs. One document that is getting attention from the media is a March twenty second, nineteen fifty memo from Guy Hoddle, a special Agent in charge of the FBI's Washington Field office, concerning
flying sauce that was sent to the FBI's director. As Fox News recently explained, the memo states an investigator for the Air Force stated that three so called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being circular in shape, with raised centers approximately fifty feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only three feet tall, dressed in
metallic cloth of a very fine texture. While this memo simply shows Hottle relaying details provided by a third party, it is still noteworthy that such details are presented in an FBI memo. Another UFO file contained in the FBI's documents relates to a UFO that exploded over Utah in nineteen forty nine. The Daily Mail details of the FBI cable that describes how an army guard, a policeman, and a highway patrolmen who were all miles apart each saw a UFO which they
said exploded over mountains near Logan north of Salt Lake City. Yeah, that the memos. Everybody's getting really excited, but this stuff actually isn't new. Most of this stuff came out like in nineteen seventy seven, including the guy hottle One whichever. You know, it's funny these sites posting that this is proof of Roswell because actually the documents never have been believed to be part of
Roswell. And CBS wrote a story where they kind of said that that these aren't new documents, they've been out and they made fun of some of these other news sources, I think like the Daily Mail, and they said if they would have simply called the FBI, they would have found out that the new files are not the UFO ones but other ones. But this is a
much easier way to access the UFO files. Correct. And even though these don't relate to Roswell and some people, a lot of people think they've been Bruce mcabee for instance, he's the guy who got these documents from the FBI in nineteen seventy seven, and he believes that the guy hoddle One about the three UFOs has to do with the Skull book, which we've talked about before and Dreamy Draw and and that's been debunked as people saying that that wasn't real,
that that was all hoaxed. Until people think this memo was people picking up the story that was hoaxed and then relaying that to the FBI and they wrote a memo. But not everybody agrees that these are hoax because in our magazine, our next one in June July, I wrote about Aztec and the Aztec UFO thing, and this memo and that book are related to the Aztec thing, which people think maybe real now, and there's some evidence of that that we go over in the magazine, and the Dreamy Draw story that we
talked about last week and is in on our website. That's all part of that too, So they may be real crashious but not rothwell right, And there are also files that talk about weather balloons. Yeah, things attached to balloons and yep. But this new vault that THEI put up is a cool way to access to search through files. You know you can. It's just like browsing on the web. You type in a keyword and upcome the files, and you can sift through those and read all sorts of blacked out things
and have fun doing it. But it isn't interesting that they put it up. And it's also interesting to see how just quickly things can spire a lot of control with people saying, oh, proof that Roswell happened. Yeah, And it's unfortunate because you know, there's a lot of better step out there. There's a better evidence and stuff like that to out there, right, And you know, like you said, there's some good stuff in these files
that people could pay attention to that is more interesting. Absolutely, I'm still sifting through it myself, but there's some good stuff in there. Yeah. In there there's like the their cattle mutilation investigation, which a lot like other investigations where they conclude that it was probably predators, but if you look at the details of the cases they investigated, that doesn't seem to be the case at all. Yeah. In other news, rock stars Sammy Hager continues to
make headlines because of his extraterrestrial encounter claims. He was a guest on the hl En premiere of The Doctor Drew Show last Monday night, where he discussed his life of rock and roll, and he also discussed his extraterrestrial encounter. As he's previously stated, Hagar told the show's host, doctor Drew Pinsk, call me crazy all you want. Anyone who says there's no one in the
whole universe, we're the only ones that's crazy. Hagar described to Pinske the details of his alien encounter, which occurred when he was in a dream like state. In this dream, extraterrestrial entities communicated telepathically with Hagar, and as he has described before, Hagar explained to Pinske, I think it was a download upload situation, like an experimental thing, like I was a guinea pig.
So it's cool. I mean, these these stories have been told by Sammy hayes Are many times before, but because of the recent release of his book and the press circuit he's been on, these fascinating stories are getting more attention and by the mainstream media. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked a lot about that last week, and was that last week? I think? Yeah. We talked about the other movies that the stars were talking about
their UFO sayings too, exactly. No new ones in the last week though, has happened about a week ago, but I'm sure more will pop up. YEP. Space Exploration Technology, also known as SpaceX, has already made history back in December when their Dragon space capsule became the first worlds the world's
first commercial spacecraft to launch into orbit and return to Earth safely. Now stopping there, Last Tuesday, the company announced plans to construct the most powerful rocket the world has ever seen, not really, but the manned Moon missions and SpaceX has named the new rocket Falcon Heavy, and the rocket will reportedly be able to carry roughly one hundred and seventeen thousand pounds of cargo into orbit,
and that's twice as much as the current Space Shuttle. The rocket has been designed to carry cargo, but because it meets NASA's current safety requirements, the
rocket could also be used to carry humans into space. The company is aiming to launch Falcon Heavy in twenty thirteen from California, with follow up launches taking place at Cape Canaveral, Florida. And another important thing to note is that they're really pushing to make space more accessible, and to do that, they're trying to make spaceflight cheaper more affordable, and they point out that the launches of this rocket will cost just one hundred million dollars a year or per launch,
And that's kind of sickening to say just one hundred million. But compared to Space Shuttle launches. Space Shuttle launches, those cost one point five billion dollars per launch. It's a lot of mula, a lot of mulah. Isn't it funny though, that the future looks like the past. I mean, we're going back to rockets. We don't have these cool shuttles anymore.
We're going back to these outdated looking rockets. And I heard a friend of mine said that his friend who works for defense or for a company I think McDonald Douglas, I can't remember, but that they were literally digging up rockets a few years ago and kind of back engineering our own rockets because they didn't know all the ins and outs of the de manned space flights with the rockets, so they can continue that again. Well, right, I mean,
this, this points it out. It's it's kind of ridiculous. But this is twenty eleven and these guys are going to build the most powerful rocket, but the most powerful rocket since the Moon missions. Yeah, and how long ago were those? That was quite some time ago. But this is what our cutting edge technology is doing right now is something that has already been done.
So yeah, isn't it funny that I don't know? I guess when in science fiction when people are thinking about the future, they're never thinking about budget limitations. Oh no, you know that never comes up. It's you know, the future is the space flight is so incredible and everything because you
know, we've got the technology and then know how. If we had unlimited budgets, I mean in programs like this, I think we would be already at Mars and have some incredible we could have the space stations of two thousand and one. Those movies created those things because the technology and the know how was something that they had ye back then. And it's all a budgetary issue. Well, we all need to transcend to the Star Trek world, the
Star Trek universe, where nobody cares about money. Money has no meaning anymore, and people just do things for the greater good. I've always advocated that
idea excellent Well. Doctor rug Blumberg passed away last week of a heart attack the age of eighty five, shortly after giving a keynote address at a workshop on lunar research at NASA's Ames Research Center USA Today explains that Blumberg helped NASA begin its search for extraterrestrial life and the study of the origins of life on Earth as director of NASA's Astrobiology Institute at Moffett Field from nineteen ninety nine to
two thousand and two. According to The New York Times, the objective given to Blumberg and his team at the institute was to answer the following questions, how does life begin and evolved? Does life exist elsewhere in the universe? And what is life's future on Earth and beyond. Blumberg was also on the SETI Institute's Board of Trustees, and before his time at NASA, doctor Blumberg was heavily involved in researching viruses and developing vaccines, and it was this work
that earned him the nineteen seventy six Nobel Prize in Medicine. That's awesome. Yeah, an accomplished dude and him go, but yeah, it's cool. He set up the NASA's really set up their search for extraterrestrial life as much as they do, but kind of cool. Also in Astronomy News, Christopher Taylor, an astronomy professor at California State University, Sacramento also known as Sacramento State, delivered a public lecture last week on the topic of extraterrestrial life.
His lecture, searching for Life in a Big Empty Universe discussed astrobiology and how science is being used to search for extraterrestrial life in the universe. Doctor Taylor pointed out that while life is unlikely to exist in harsh environments like the surface of Mars, through the use of spacecraft in advanced technology, NASA is now
searching for science of life on Mars below the surface. The topic of estratrextrial extraterrestrial life is becoming more common at universities across the US and What's the world.
The search for extraterrestrial life is gaining support from mainstream scientists and major research institutions are taking an active role, and more universities like Sacramento State are hosting lectures on the subject, which helps to spark the interest among students and encourages the next generation of scientists to open their minds to new ideas about life and space. Yeah, astrobiology has definitely really taken off. And you know something
that I makes me giggle. Not too many things make me giggle, but I don't think i've heard you giggle. Ever, I didn't say I giggle publicly. Okay, you giggle on the inside, on the inside good and on the Internet. That's what lol is not really, But it is the fact that word and spell check programs don't know the word astrobiology. They don't. I guess I haven't noticed that. I haven't caught up with the timeshet. Yeah, astrobiology is fairly new. How about you Google? Was it?
Google knows it? Yeah, like if you wrote in your Gmail or something. Oh, Google's they're on the you know, boom boom boom. I think they're involved in astrobiology and everything. I'll say, well, they do. They do their their their They've got their Google Earth. They've even got Google Moon. Have you looked at Google Moon? Yeah, that's pretty cool. On the Google Maps, they had my my address wrong because it's a brand new house and brand new area. You know, it was dirt
on the maps. So first when my house was I first moved in, and then it popped up where they had my house there and they had it wrong. You're a celebrity and important guy. So I called them up and I said, listen, no, you did not right, fix it. No, I won't take credit you did it, but go ahead. You just right click and you say, hey, you have this wrong, and within like a day or two, boom. That's awesome. I didn't know it. They are very fast. They are on the ball. Google excellent,
big fan of Google, doing big things, those Google guys. Well. Two scientists have written a paper where they present the hypothesis that extraterrestrial intelligences engage in asteroid mining may be detectable from Earth, and these scientists suggest that
watching for signs of asteroid mining could be a good job for SETI. These scientists explain if technological colonization or technological civilizations more advanced than ours exists in the galaxy, and asteroid mining is a common activity which underpins their existence, then searching for signatures of targeted asteroid mining is an appropriate activity for SETI to undertake. The paper that presents this hypothesis will be published in the International Journal of
Astrobiology. That's an interesting one, looking for signs of mining. Yeah, I mean I think that's a stretch. It's kind of it's as silly as the radio signals. To me. Well, again, we pointed this out a lot of these scientists are looking for topics for papers, and yeah,
I think you're right, because come on, an asteroid. I mean that they could build a craft that could fly as more likely than an asteroid, because an asteroid, the asteroids that are around us, you know, the ones that have come from very far away, are still pretty much in our solar system, and you know, it takes them a long time. They're
not moving at close to light speed or anything. You know, they're not warping or doing anything that would make something move quicker than lighter like these possible technologies that ET's or other civilizations may have. So it sounds kind of well again, I think this is also projecting human behaviors and human ideals onto extraterrestrials number one, because we love to mine something until there's nothing left. And look where our priorities are. We're not going to the moon. We're going
to an asteroid next. That's where NASA is focusing, sending us to an asteroid. So I guess that's what we want to do, is mine an asteroid. But you not me. Well, I don't want to. I'm using the collective weave. I want to go to Mars. I want to hang out with the ets man. I want to find a spaceship that's Mike well, well, and we should gimmy a ride that. They're already listing all of the problems with going to an asteroid. I don't I don't understand
doing it in the first place. Let's focus on the moon. Let's focus on Mars. Didn't they see the movie? What was it we're talking about with Bruce Willis? Yes, what was that? Armageddon? Yeah, going to an asteroid does not look fun. Nope, they can go. I'll wait for the Rockets to the moon. Yeah, blind Me to the Moon. Well, and Sci Fi's Factor Fake Paranormal Files has been breaking viewership records. Last Wednesday, for the third consecutive week, Factor Fake set a new
series ratings record with one point three two million total viewers. So those guys are are having a successful run there. And uh, congratulations to our to our friend Ben Hansen there. Yeah, buddy, who had we had on the show. I thought that was a great show too. It's very interesting, some great stories, and he's a really neat guy. So it's good to hear, yeah that their show is doing so yep, and again it
shows that this material there, there's people are definitely interested in it. Yeah, people can question, you know, their their investigation and stuff like that, but at least they're open minded, I mean enough to where they were really for it by the UFOs they saw here in Arizona, right, And you know, I've got to give them credit because unlike some of the other hunting shows like ghost Hunting and things like that, shows where they hardly ever
find anything, these guys do find things that they can't explain. And like with Jeff Willis when they were in Arizona, they capture their own UFO. Kind of cool, very cool. So good job guys at Factor Faked all one hund that. It's for the news. You sure to check out these stories and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Mindes news correspondent, and you've been briefed back to Ullehundro. All right, thank you, Jason. A couple of stories
that we have on the web. We've got some really good things here going on, guys. So let's see south Park the Little Buddy. This is kind of fun. This was an investigation that I did in two thousand and seven with a friend of mine. It is in South Park, so we got a South Park enthusiast, and that would be my goofy buddy, Chuck Zukowski, who I've had on the show a few times so far, the guy who recently got fired as a deputy sheriff because of his paranormal investigations and
this being one of them. I don't know if they had an issue with this one, but this is interesting. South Park is actually Well Park is a county park County in Colorado. On the southern part of it is called South Park in the South Park basin, and these are some rocky mountain plains, you know, covered by out and up there, and there's talk of
UFOs out there. A buddy of mine told me that, hey, you know, there's a store that even sells T shirts and paraphernalia with this little buddy UFO and these aliens and UFO T shirts because they have so many sightings out there. And I hadn't heard of this, None of us had, even though we live in Colorado. Chuck lives in Colorado Springs, which was
a little closer out there, and so we went out to investigate. We called up the lady at the store, we asked her if she wouldn't mind, very nice lady, Susy Jones, and we asked her if she could have some of the witnesses meet us there at the store, and they did so we went, we interviewed some people. We videotaped some interviews, in fact somewhere online. Well, I used to have it on Google. You know, I was talking so great about Google. But this is something that's
kind of bad. They screwed up my video and it's not online anymore. But we videotaped these interviews and all of these people were seeing these UFOs. This is an area that is west of Colorado Springs, and Colorado Springs is the home of Cheyenne Mountain. They're the home of the headquarters of Space Command and Cheyenne Mountain is the home of NORAD and that's the North American Air Defense out there, and they, you know, monitor space and everything flying in
space. And according to these people, they were seeing UFOs in that area and they would watch these things kind of move and dart off and very interesting sightings. So that night actually we did kind of a SkyWatch and tried to video some UFOs. Unfortunately, we didn't get any, but kind of an
interesting story out there in south Park. And this is the area that the south Park cartoon is based off of, because there is actually an old town area of Fairplay, and Fairplay is the biggest town, which isn't that big of a town. It's a ski town, a mountaintown with mountain lodges and stuff. Real nice. In this town. They have a remake of an eighteen eighties town. It's incredible, really detailed of this old mountain kind of
ghost town and they call this town south Park. And throughout fair Play they do have some trinket stores and stuff like that where you can't buy South Park, you know, cartoon trinkets and stuff like that. Because this is the area. It wasn't too far. It was about forty miles up the road towards Denver that one of the creators of the South Park cartoon lives. So you know, when they're out there in the mountains and in the plains of
Colorado, that's where they're thinking of. And these are really small areas, so without a whole lot of people. We have another story that we posted last week as well late last week and that we're calling the Hill UFO, and this is kind of neat. A gentleman by the name of Eric contacted me and said his grandfather, who is a prominent figure in this town and Altamont in New York near Albany, had had a sighting when he was a
policeman in nineteen seventy one. So he asked if I would call his grandfather and talked him into talking to me. His grandfather, obviously he is a very prominent figure in the town, so he doesn't really want to talk about it. Neither of them let me use their last name. But he told me about this incredible sighting of this flying saucer that went over him while he was really pretty much relieving himself on the side of the road going off to
hear this lady's story about seeing a UFO and it flew over him. It beamed this beam of light on him. It really freaked him out, and they said, boss, where are you Sergeant He was a sergeant at the time, and he said, why, I think I just saw the UFO this lady's talking about. So we went to her house and she talked about this large disc similar to what he saw flying over this barn, and she was freaked out, and the dog was really freaked out, crawling on its
belly because it was so scared and whining. So a very interesting story. And I put some more details into everything that Neil told me, and like I said, I couldn't use their last names, and he didn't want me to use his exact position either. And then tonight we're going to be putting up some more information and tomorrow on the FBI UFO file, so I'm gonna
put more details about the Hoddle document. And then Antonio has written a whole long piece about all of the documents that FBI has put online or put out there before, and the history about how Bruce mckaby back in nineteen seventy seven retrieved most of these documents through Freedom of Information Act requests. And if you're not familiar, Bruce mcaby was an optical physicist or is he's retired now and
a ufologist and he worked for the Navy for a period of time. So really neat guy, great researcher, and some very very interesting seeing material. So you'll have to check out our website Openminds dot tv. However, I want to get into our very exciting interview with our Norwegian friends from New Paradigm Film, Trulls and Terry Toftens and some great guys. So let's hear what those guys have to say. I am here very excited to be speaking to
Terry and Troll Toftens from New Paradigm Films. They did the recent documentary The Day Before Disclosure, which won the People's Choice Award for the EBS at the UFO Congress this year, so that was very exciting, a lot of fun to have these guys here all the way from Norway. Welcome guys. Oh hi, so how are you, Andrew? I'm doing pretty good. We've got some wonderful weather out Here's what's weather in Norway like this time of year.
Well, actually, the snow has started melting now, so we're having you know, quite nice weather just now. So we're looking forward to some more kind of spring weather at the moment. But we've had a pretty tough winter. It's been freezing all the way since November actually, mh So yeah,
you're finally thiwing up. Huh. Yeah. And you know, we had such a good time over in Phoenix just some weeks ago, and we brought back this big award that was absolutely fantastic, and everyone here is just you know, they could almost believe what had happened when we got back, and you know, Troll was actually a bit worried about getting that big award statue through the customs and yeah, yeah, well but you know, the guys in customs had a pretty strange look at us, but it went we
went through and I was okay, so okay. They didn't compensate it or think it was something well well you know the question where well, where have you guys been? You know, But yeah, but it's it's always a good story to bring up at school. Yeah. Well, as far as I know, you're the only ones from Norway that came to the conference. Yeah, well that's probably right. I didn't see any other Norwegians there, but yeah, I know there have been some Norwegians there before. But you
know, well it's a long way to go. But still this is I think the absolute top conference on this issue in the world. And I must repeat what I've said many times before that the way that Open Minds handle this conference was absolutely top professional. Everything worked, all the bookings worked, the audio was good, the visuals were good, all the microphones worked. Everybody was happy and thanks to you, it was a really really great week for all of us. Yeah, well, thank you. A lot of that
is luck but luckily the microphones and everything worked. So and this is not your first EB award, is that correct? Well, actually we also won the People's Award back in two thousand and six for a film we made on
the crop circle phenomenon. It's called you know what's it called again, it's called Crossovers from Another Dimension, And it was a film on crop circles that we had been working on for three years and in two thousand and six we had it on the International UFO Conference, the film festival there and it won both the category which was in and also the People's Reward. So that was also absolutely great. To to kind of repeat that again with our news film
was absolutely unbelievable. I mean, we're still up in the in disguise, you know great, Well, that's great. It's a great film, and I think it's absolutely amazing and wonderful that you guys were able to provide that film or make that film available for free for people. I think that just is a testament to how serious you guys are about getting the word out.
Yeah. Well, we our main goal from the from the very beginning, was too to get the information out we had, Like Harry said, we had been working for several years with with the crop circle phenomenon and and also with a film on a very peculiar like phenomenon in Norway called Hestalin and uh so we uh, you know, after being into these things for several years, we felt that we really felt that it was a huge importance to get it out to people because there are you know, there are tons of information,
but it's very very difficult for people to to navigate, you know, and there are a bunch of bogus and so out there. So you know, if we could get to well, we had been talking to a lot of credible people over the years, so when this thing came together, we figured that it would be nice to to show people what the real story is. Yeah. I want to get into more on each of your three films
in this arena that you've done. But to begin with, I mean, your films are very well produced and they look great, very professionally done, which it makes them, you know, even more incredible, but really this is not your focus as far as production goes. Zach crect. This is kind of your one of your side things to actually do more conventional type of work. Well, I myself have been working for twenty five years as a
professional filmmaker, but mostly for doing corporate films. I have my background from the Norwegian Broadcasting Cooperation and twenty five years ago I started doing things on my own for the Norwegian corporations for the especially for the oil industry in Norway which is very big, and also the shipping industry, and so I have been concentrating on promotional films and educational films for the last twenty five years. But
this urged to do films on topics that really have engaged me. And also Troll over the past years has been there all the time, and we were just waiting for an opportunity to start kind of an alternative type of business or well not business, but more kind of activity to try to use the skills that we had gained over the years by doing educational films and promotional films to do films that could promote and educate people on these issues because we felt that,
you know, there was actually a need to get more information out and of course there are a lot of films on these topics, and with all respect, many of them are very good, but we wanted to try to make it our way and to interview people that we felt had the best stories
and were the most credible people. So we spent three or almost four years traveling around on conferences, visiting people in their homes, both here in Europe and also a lot of people in the US, and I think we did something like almost fifty or sixty interviews in total, and about forty of them appear in the film, So it's it was an enormous amount of work, a lot of time, and of course a lot of expenses, which we covered mostly ourselves. We had also one of our corporate clients who was very
interested in these topics. He helped us a bit with financing some of our travels, but mostly it's financed by ourselves and the money that we could make on the more kind of main stuff work that we do. Now. Were you hesitant to start to get into kind of these produce these paranormal pieces because you work with these corporations. Were you worried that they would kind of look
badly on us and you might lose business. Well, you've got a point there, of course, that's why we have we have actually created a separate company for our paranormal films called New Paradigm Films New Paradigm Films, and the company that we where we do our corporate stuff is called Toughtness Multivision Multivision because we back in the eighties also worked with multi image systems, you know,
a lot of slide projections and all that stuff. So we actually have two different companies and we didn't want to kind of mix the the well, you know, the image, so to speak. But the funny thing is that after we have released these films, and especially after we won these awards, our corporate customers have you know, turned pretty proud of working with us. So it has actually helped us also in the corporate world to get acknowledged by
what we have achieved on these more type of paranormal films. So it's been a win win situation. Actually, that's great. Have you turned on some of these clients to this subject. Have some of them who were maybe more skeptic kind of open their minds a bit? Oh? Yes. Indeed, of course, the crop circle phenomenon is actually well, it's more easy to get people interested in it because it's so visual. You know, crop circles are there, you can visit them, you can do research on them.
They are pretty, they are attractive, they are you know, it's a nice trip to go and watch them. The UFO phenomenon, of course, is much more difficult because there are very few good pictures of it, very little film of it. I know there is a lot of film of it, but that's in some very secret archives. The stuff that is out there for people to watch is not very good, and it's not easy to study
the phenomenon because it's there for three seconds and then it's gone again. And if you want to study it properly, you have to have a lot of equipment like radar, low frequency radio and all and at very advanced photography equipment, which the military, of course are very privileged to have, but you know, among normal people don't have that kind of stuff. So it's hard
to study. And that's why it's also hard to convey the message, because you have to actually tell stories about what people have seen and get people to tell their own stories, and that's the most convincing. That's the closest you can get to, you know, to convince people is to have people tell what they have experienced themselves. So it's a bit harder to convince people about the UFO situation because all the information is is not very accessible. Right.
How about Norway and general? How are people Are they more skeptical you think than people here in the US? Are people in other countries? Well, the Norwegian people are actually quite open to, you know, these type of subjects, because I don't know, it seems to be a kind of a new trend. That's like twenty years back when I was also very interested in UFOs. You know, all my friends laughed at me and I didn't really like to mention it to my colleagues at work and all that. But now
it seems to be, you know, people are more interested. And I think it's it's it's because it has been exposed very much on TV. I mean, Steven Spielberg, he has done a fabulous job in getting people interested in these topics, even though his films are science fiction and all that. And of course films like Avatar and other types of films who are dealing with these subjects actually engaged people. And when you come up with a documentary about
the real stuff, they are more open to that. Than they were like twenty thirty years back. So things have changed and I've got the feeling that the same thing has happened in the US. How did you feel about your dad being into this step did were you embarrassed at all at any point? Well, you know, I've heard stories all my life about this stuff and these things, and so for me it has been a field of interest. You know. Of course I've had friends who have you know, smile at
the whole thing. But as I myself got more into it, well especially you know, the in the last ten years, I've gotten more involved in myself. I've been it's been uh well, way more easy to to explain to people and uh two to tell them you know why my father has been interested in this all these years. So and uh well yeah, ten years ago my all my friends were skeptical. But uh but uh as I have you know, done research together with my father and and talk to people and
brought you know, into his hope back home. Most well, most of my friends and the people I'm surrounded with are pretty well getting pretty much convinced. Mm hmm. Were utral? What was it? Maybe the most convincing thing when it came to UFOs. What really opened your eyes are really early on maybe is something that left an impression to you that made you feel like,
wow, this phenomena really is a real thing. Well, as I said, you know, i'd heard stories and I was, you know, pretty familiar with the whole concept of there being there being you know, life
out outside of well out there in the universe. But for me, the on a personal level, it was our first trip to to Great Britain and to wheelchair whether you know, the the masses of the Cross circles are so back in two thousand and three, and we we went there to mainly we had we'd heard about it and we went there, went there just to primarily
check it out. But you know, the first our first night inside of crop circle, uh, you know, really changed a lot of things because suddenly this this whole paranormal realm was suddenly something real, you know, and I felt, you know, and later we we've come to understand that you know, there are there are probably a lot of cropp circles that are made by by people, but still there is so much evidence and so on,
you know, the phenomenon being real. So for me, standing inside the crop circle for the first time was really a kind of physical evidence that well, science and the establishment hasn't got all the answers, you know, because if I if I showed this to to any you know, to any scientists, they would they would simply laugh and shove it away. But right there
and then I experienced something that was kind of outside the box. So for me, the whole the whole thing kind of kickstarted with the crop circles. And then you know, we've you know, talking to people who have had experiences, talking to people that have a claim to have been you know, abducted and uh and explaining and uh in detail you know, what has happened
to them leaves a huge impression. One thing is to see it, you know on TV on well or through a documentary, but to talk to people one on one is is uh, you know, it's a deep experience, it's a special experience. So it started with the crop circles, and then you know it's been uh, it's been downhill from there. What about you, I mean, way back when, what got you really into this subject?
Well, paranormal Back in the early sixties, I found in my father's bookshelf a book called The Flying Sauces are real, and I think the author was Georgia Damski and I was like twelve years old, and from that moment, I was hooked, you know. I thought that book was so extremely exciting that I decided there and then that I wanted to investigate myself to find out what this was all about. And all over the years I've been following
the phenomenon. I've been reading a lot of books, I've been to some conferences here and there, and some years back I decided that I would try to make a documentary about the whole situation. But the thing that really kicked, you know, really kicked in for me was when I went to this small valley in hestalen Up in North Norway. It's a very remote valley where there have been a lot of UFO observations over the past twenty five years,
and I went there to do a documentary on that particular topic. And while I was there, I saw this phenomenon myself. And when you see things yourself, I mean seeing is believing. And after that moment, I was absolutely confident that there is a situation here that is much much larger than anyone can imagine. And I think it was time to open up and try to
get more transparency into this whole situation. And you know, that's what really has been the drive or the propeller or what you call it in English behind all this work that we have done, because we feel that, I mean, humans are grown up now and we are actually mature enough to face the truth what is going on on our planet and what is going on around our planet. And I think that transparency must really be one of the things that
we all should fight for. Okay, now we have had this Internet revolution which has made it possible to convey information and to pick up information about almost everything. Just look how the Arab world now is having this big year revolt that was started because of the Internet. And look what Blik E leagues have
started in making things transparent. And now I think it's time that this subject too, should should have this type of transparency, because I mean, it's absolutely silly that someone in government or in some kind of governmental or military organization should have the right to decide what the rest of the people on this planet should know about and not know about. I mean, who gave them the
right to do that. I think transparency is the only way that we can solve our planetary problems, in political problems, our environmental problems, and I really think that everyone should tell their politicians and tell their military people that now we have to open up. Now we are mature enough to know what's going on, and we have to stop this campaign of this in for and this truth embargo and all that silly stuff that has been going on for too long.
Right. I wanted to ask about getting to kind of the films that you did. The first film it looks like, was your crop circle film, and what inspired you to tackle crap circles first? Well, it started actually with I visited an exhibition here in Norway where there was a booth with a lady who had some very strange pictures, and I felt those pictures looked absolutely great. It looks like someone had been doing great artwork in the landscape.
And I asked her who is the artist who has made these fantastic kind of geometrical sculptures in the landscape and she said, well, to be honest with you, I really don't know. And so I she told me about this phenomenon which was very apparent, especially in Britain in southern England, and it really triggered my curiosity. So I brought some pictures showed them to my son, Drills and Troll, and then we decided there and then to go
and look it up ourselves. So we a couple of months later we actually entered the first crop circle and that being there and seeing this on face to face, so to say, we then decided that we wanted to try to make a film about it because obviously not very many people, at least in Norway knew about this phenomenon at all, and we wanted to make a TV
documentary. So we did and we had it on TV. It was aired here and in Norway four times and it created a lot of interest and after that, armous amounts of Norwegians have been over to England to watch this phenomenon.
So that was it was absolutely fantastic. And you know, like Tarll said, here, when you enter a crop circle for the first time and there are big or great reasons to believe that something from maybe another world or another realm or another dimension has been here just hours before creating this, you know, that's an experience that really really triggered something inside you. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's a I haven't been to the crops. A crop circle
yet in England are very big one. I'm really excited to do that one day. And that everybody describes how it's an incredible experience. Yeah it is. It's you know, you get you get goosebumps all over, you can feel the energies many times, and well it's it's an enormous Yeah, it's it's a great experience in so many ways. And one of the other things that is very very interesting with the crop circles or fascinating is that it attracts
people from all over the world. So going into a crop circle you meet so many other people. Everybody starts discussing how it could have been made, I mean, discussing bigger questions, and it's like entering in a big outdoor philosophy seminar, you know, with people from all over the globe, and
it's fantastic and you make new friends. You go to the English pubs, which are you know, all around the place, having a bear in the evening and discussing and it's I mean, it's it's a fabulous way to spend a week or two of your holiday. I really recommend it. Now you interview with a lot of people you have, you know, Charles Mallet,
is that how you said? Or Mallet, Charles Malatis, yeah, at, Lucy Pringle, Michael Glickman, Nancy Talmot, Miles Johnston, Paul de Gay, you know a lot of people that you interviewed for this documentary. What were some of the insights that you learned or some of the the highlights that for you during these interviews and research. Well, you know, there actually are two sides to this, uh, this phenomenon. One is the the kind of the physical side, uh, which you can invest using typical
scientific investigation methods like how is the crop laid down? You can measure uh, the magnetic fields, you can measure how or see how the stalks are bent, the blown notes, the the you know a lot of kind of physical stuff that you can investigate, and from that type of investigation you can
kind of get an idea of how this actually has been made. And in many, very many cases, the conclusion is quite clear that it would be absolutely impossible for people to do this kind of work in a very short time frame in the dark without any lights. And you know, in the crop fields in England, in this particular area where there are many of them. There are people sitting with night goggles on every single hilltop during night to see
if they can catch anything or see anything. So if you were to make or to do this, you know with handcrafts you had to use and I mean it's pitch dark, you can't see a thing. And if you're trying to make a very very complicated geometric design without leaving any footprint or without doing any error, I mean, it's it's incredible to see how that actually can
be done with people watching you with night goggles, you know. So it's that's the physical side of it which can be investigated and which is very interesting, and there are a lot of very clever people who do these types of investigations. Nancy Talbot has been doing a lot of it with doctor Levingood, have been taking analysis of soil samples, analyzes of the crop itself, and
the results that they have come forward with are actually quite mind blowing. And then you have this other more kind of semi or physical side, or you know, the things that that kind of are more appeals to your feelings and your intuition, and people have strange, very strange types of experiences when they enter crop circles. To some people, they actually get sick, and other people have these most wonderful revelations of you know, kind of well godlike things
that they experience. Many people do meditations and they feel that entering a crop circle is just like entering in holy ground or church or whatever. So it has so many different sights to it that are very, very fascinating. So as I said, I really can recommend visiting the crop circles. It's absolutely
fabulous. Now your second film was at has the Lend, and that is really interesting to me because, as you talk about in this film, it's an ongoing type of thing and people can kind of go out there like you and witness phenomena. What is it that you sun? What is it that people see? Well, hestlin is well to put it this way. In nineteen eighty three, j Allen Heinek, which everyone in the UFO fields knows about. He was, you know, the official investigator for I think the
US government on these topics for a very long time. He was there to look at this phenomenon and he said that he made a statement afterwards, he said that Hestalen is actually the world's very only UFO laboratory. Because here you can study the phenomenon because it appears almost all the time. Now, back in nineteen eighty one, things started happening in Hestalin. This is a very small valley, only populated with about one hundred and fifty people, and there
are a few farms. It's quite high up in the mountains, so well, it's very very remote. And things started happening. Big lights, and when I say big lights, I mean lights as big as a barn or big house suddenly appeared in the midst of the valley under the tree tops, staying there still for almost an hour, and sometimes traveling up the valley early in the evening, coming down two hours later. For a long period.
The lights were so regular that you could almost gesture watch by it. And some of these lights just disappeared into a lake which was far up in this valley, and people living there started reporting these things. They didn't know what it was. And sometimes they also saw objects like big kind of brownish or silverish, big objects like forty meters long, that's almost one hundred feet long. And they started reporting this, and of course people laughed at them.
They were ridiculed. They said, Okay, you're living up in the small mountain valley, you drink, a home, a lot of homemade stuff and whatever it is you do. But after a while the media got attracted, and also the military were attracted by this, and also the Norwegian Official Broadcasting Corporation was attracted. And suddenly people came from all over the place to see
this, and they saw it almost every night. They saw it, these lights coming up the valley and under the tree tops, some of them extremely big, some of them smaller, and going down again afterwards, and a
lot of film was taken, a lot of pictures were taken. The military got it on radar, and after a while, some enthusiasts, some scientists decided to put up in an observatory on a twenty four hour basis, which they did then in the mid nineties, and they started recording a lot of stuff, both on radar, on low frequency radio, on video and on
pictures. They distributed this on the internet, and this phenomenon got known all over the world and there were a lot of you know, TV coming from all over the place, where people from Japan, from US, from Russia, a lot of investigation and this continued and continued and does till this day. Now We have three permanent observatories in the valley, one Norwegian, one French, and one Italian. The French and Italian are financed by the governments
in those countries. The Norwegian is financed by university and they record the East Age phenomena. And this is a strange phenomenon all the time. Officially, they are investigating an unknown natural phenomenon, because the word UFO does not sound good when you're, you know, kind of trying to get these things funded. So they are researching an unknown natural phenomenon. But they have recorded enormous
amounts of data and there have been a lot of conferences up there. People are coming from all over the place, and it's still a big question what this really is. But the observations are enormous and I just can't believe why this is not more known in the general media. So we did a documentary on it two years back, and it's also in English, and it's been pretty well received all over the place, and it documents this pretty good.
We have a lot of footage from this phenomenon. Did these things look at solid or are they just did they seem to be just blight both? Yeah, sometimes it's solid objects seen in daytime, and especially the people that are living up there have seen it over and over and over again, these big objects. One woman described it like a big piece of brown bread one hundred feet long with the lights in both ends, traveling absolutely silently right over the
treetops. Another local guy we talked to, he talked about them as the planes without wings. They were big as passenger planes, but with no windows and no wings. And so objects have been seen, many types of typical UFO like cigar shapes, like looking like saucers and all that kind of stuff, but also very many kind of light objects, big big ones, big at houses, and also very many objects like more like your soccer balls as sizes. And what I saw personally was I was sitting on one of these
mountaintops. It was one o'clock in the morning, absolutely pitch dark. I could see the stars. It had just snowed a lot, but it had stopped snowing, so the sky was clear. And suddenly it was just like someone fired a big flash from a photo flash right above my head, and I looked up and there were two very big clear light sorses or balls of light or whatever. But because the sky was dark, it was impossible to figure out how far away they were or how big they were, but they
were, you know, with some distance. I could see stars between them, but they were traveling like they were connected. They were absolutely traveling in parallel speed. And after like half a minute, they just shot off right into space or two cosmos And that was absolutely unbelievable. So and I saw it together with a bunch of students and we were all just shook up by that site. And this thing was also recorded on both radar and on on
on video excuse me, on on a photographic film. So it was definitely no, no hallucination. And to see that, I just felt that someone was there to say, hello, we are here and you should know, but we won't come any closer closer than this. But wow. Yeah, so that was that was absolutely you know, it was a great thrill. Yeah, it sounds amazing. Have people spotted anything else unusual, like maybe
entities in the area. Definitely, there have been clear traces of landings, and they to say, these craft or whatever they are, seem to have kind of a tripod system that they land on, because they leave big landing marks on the ground that are kind of a foot deep. And it's three of them placed like a triangle. And that has been seen by people many times, and on two occasions people have seen entities around these landed crafts that
are seemingly taking soil samples. One woman described it as she said, they looked just like the men that we saw on the moon, the NASA astronauts when they were walking on the moon with big helmets and a kind of a rucksack on their back, and they had not white but brown, you know, overalls or clothing, and it looked like they were taking soil samples.
And so that has been seen on two occasions, and on one occasion there was actually a big soil sample taken in the midst of nowhere two hours walked from the closest closest dirt road. There was a big soil sample like it was six by four meters which is like twenty by twelve feet, a piece of turf cut out of with laser precision. It was like two feet deep, and it was lifted. This weighed a couple of tons. It was
lifted off the ground and put on the side. And an amazing thing because when you tried to lift it yourself, it just fell into pieces because it was so wet. So something had the ability to pick this up and and uh and put in a side Wow, sill there, yeah, still here. Yeah, and we got pictures of that in the film. Uh huh. That's exciting. That sounds great. And for people, just so people know, New Paradigm dot no o is where people can go to buy the
films, and like you said, they are in English. Also. Yeah, and I think this Hestalin case is one of the best documented cases on the UFO thing ever because there are so many many physical evidences and so many radar observations and done by scientists. So it's I mean, it's the scientists are all very convinced that this is a phenomenon, that is, it's definitely
not human made, but they haven't got any clear explanation yet. But it's it's it's actually the case that is very heavily investigated at the Yeah, it sounds incredible. Did you submit this film to the EBE Film Festival. Yes, we did in two or three years back, but it was actually the first film that was shown on the whole festival. And well, of course I felt that it didn't have too much audience. I wasn't there myself. But anyway, it was shown, but it didn't win any prize. That's
terrify, that's a tragedy. Well, I'm surprised because it sounds I mean, I know your work is incredible, so I am just really really excited
to watch that one because that sounds incredible. The other film, though, in the remaining time that we have I'd like to talk about, of course, is The Day Before Disclosure, which is your recent documentary, the one that one the People's Choice Award. Just well, it's already been a month and a half, almost a little more than a month ago, and you've got a lot of people that you interviewed in this film regarding the UFO phenomena, I mean, and some big people like Paul Hell here, and you
have edgar Mitchell, that Apollo astronaut. This must have been a lot of work. Yes, we've been working on that film for the last four years, and we decided that if we are going to, you know, make a film which is aimed on the general public, we have to get the most credible people to tell stories that really has some sense and some value.
So we did a lot of research to try to find out who were the people that we wanted to interview, and we used like four years visiting people in their homes, in universities, going to a lot of the UFO festivals of course, where all these people come. And so we have done some I think it's some almost sixty interviews, and of those sixty interviews, forty of them are appearing in the film. And it has been an you know, just to I think we had some one hundred and twenty hours of stuff
to when we started editing. So the editing process itself was I don't know how many hundred hours we use. At some time we just stopped counting the hours. But to put this together and try to kind of make it into the story that was interesting to watch, was it was a lot of work, but of course it was an extremely interesting work. So it was absolutely
so great. We had such a great time when we did it. We had, of course a lot of discussions and we had to write a lot of narration and discussing back and forth what are we going to include and what are we not going to include because the UFO situation covers very many topics, and we actually decided very early that we are not going to make a film that will scare people, or you know, try to exaggerate or to pull all these more dark sides of this phenomenon up to the surface. I mean,
we found out that. We will leave that to Hollywood. They are very good at making scary films about these topics. We will not do that. We will try to express and to what most people tell us, which is not very scary. It's well, it can be scary because it's the piece of the unknown. But apart from that, no one seems to have been murdered or really hurt badly in any way in having encounters with these ets.
Of course, many people have been shaken because this is so out of this world, and it's tough to face a reality where etes suddenly are a part of reality, and that takes it stranger psych your psychic sides, of course. But when it comes when you sum it up, this phenomenon seems to be it is not a thing that is trying to destroy us or kill us or whatever, because if that had been the case, they probably would
have done it a long time ago. It seems to me that someone or many different what do you say, civilizations or actors or whatever out there, they are studying us. We are obviously very interesting as a object for study. And what we also discovered that what they are studying is many of these
ets are our emotional size. Many of the abductees, which you know there are numbers, are by thousands, but we have interviewed many of those and they seem to been part of have been part of a kind of a program where they study humans for different reasons, and the emotional side of human beings seem to be one of the absolutely most interesting things. So which is part
of this seemingly program that's going on et studying humans? And well, the work to try to figure out what to bring into the film was hard because you know, you have things like cattle mutilations you have which is seemingly very bad. Of course it's nothing compared to what we do to our laboratory animals,
but still it seems nasty thing. We didn't want to take that into the film because we want to wanted to make a film that could present this to people who have not been into the UFO subject in the first place, and if you then so we did not include all the things that are kind of more advanced or you know, takes some if you actually want to study things like animal mutilations, you have to have studied the whole topic for a while, you know, to get used to it as if you know first
hand information. We left that out. We decided that that and we also left out much of the stuff about the abductions, which we will have saved
for maybe probably a later production. So we wanted to present the situation about the whole topic being, you know, on this truth embargo thing, that there is a reality that has been kept from the public, and that was, you know, our main thing to get that out, that there is a reality there that is very real, and it's time that people should know about it and we should open up and try to be more transparent because, as I said, we are as a population now on this planet, we
are mature enough to face the truth about our place in the cosmos and that there are that we are part of a much, much larger reality. So that is what we wanted to bring out with this film. Now, one of the things you mentioned is in the film you even talked about till We're in in you know, will future generations see us? This generation is kind of silly for hiding our head in the sand. And not paying attention to this subject. And with the title of the film that the day before disclosure,
do you feel that we are on the brink of disclosure? Well, I can comment on that. We uh, we had we had a feeling that there are there are so there are you know a huge amount of information surfacing these days, and you know, thanks you know, to the Internet. And and also because a lot of the people that was involved in these things on the military side and back in the fifties, sixties and seventies are you know, are starting to coming out, coming out and telling about it.
And now you know, as old as old guys. And so the last ten years has been a has been a huge It's been an kind of overflow of information on this compared to previous decades. So we we kind of you know, asked ourselves, if this thing actually breaks sometime in the next you know, months or years or whatever, how will that impact our whole society and if and we figured that it has to be if this thing breaks,
it has to be one of the biggest events in human history. So we kind of post a question that when when the children of you know, the next the next century read their story and their history books in school, right, how will they be presented with the with the past, And and we figured that the the UFO phenomenon has to be become a pretty big chapter
in the history books. So that was kind of the starting point for the for the whole angle of the film because right now there is absolutely no information on this and in the in the well in the establishments. But if this thing breaks, then then there has to be well people has to to relate to it, and people have to two to talk about it. And so we well, we have a feeling that this thing is, this thing is
coming to this whole secrecy thing is coming to an end. It's you know, of course difficult to say if it's going to happen, when it's going to happen, but the amount of information is it's like a flood that can be hold back pretty much longer. So at one point it has to come out, and after that it will be major, a major topic in world history. You know. Yeah, it's exciting to think about, you know, kids not reading their history books and having the chapters on UFOs and things
like that. And I think what you all are doing is a sort of disclosure by getting some of this information that people don't have access to out to
the public. Yeah, well that was you know, there are are also, you know a lot of other filmmakers out there, and there are you know, people having websites, radio shows like yours, and there's you know a growing number of people spreading information on this thing, these things and but if well, it's like in any other topic, if it's if it's ever gonna you know, surface in the mainstream media and many in the main public attention. Uh, there has to be there has to be enthusiasts, you
know, spreading the word and uh. And you know, we consider ourselves enthusiasts in this field. You know. To me, it's like just a tsunami building up because I think this we are all part of a grassroots movement that is growing bigger and bigger and bigger by the every day. And especially I can see here in Europe people are getting more and more convinced that these things are real, and especially after many of the European countries have opened up
their UFO archives, although they have still closed. They haven't done that with their military archives of course, but in Britain they have actually released pretty many amazing cases from their UFO archives, and people are paying attention, and this
is growing like a big wave, like a tsunami. And I have all alonge felt that this topic is never going to break by some person in government saying hello, I just want to say that for the last fifty or sixty years, we have been keeping a secret hair because we didn't feel that you were you capable of knowing the truth. But and so and so, I
don't think that's going to happen. It will not be President Obama or any big official person taking you know this to the public, But eventually they will be forced to open up because the sure will build to be so big that it will be very embarrassing for different types of governments trying to hold this back. And when it breaks, they're going to say, find all types of
excuses why this hasn't been released before. And some of those excuses will be quite plausible, I guess, but there will also be things that will be very hard to be confronted with within governmental systems and many of these military industrial complexes who have known all the way and try to hold this all back and keep it for themselves. It's going to shake the whole you know, governmental and political situation. It's going to shake the religious world. It's going to
be the absolutely biggest events in recorded history. I'm absolutely definite about that. When it breaks and it's I don't think it's going to be long before it does. Well, we're about out of time, but I did want to mention too just how important I think it is and how great what you've done
here. I think it moves us towards this disclosure by like you said, you put in a lot of time and effort on this thing, and then you were able to put it online for people to view for free, which probably you know, helped you actually with sales, I think, but still even more so and more importantly it helped with people being able to have access to your great film and that the necessary information that you put in there. So I think it's really I think that's just very important and a great service
that you provided there. Well, thank you, thanks. I think I mean today, with the situation on the Internet, people actually expect information to be free. I mean every newspaper has understand understood that. They I mean they can't they can't claim money from people who want to read their news sites. They have to put it out for free, or else they will lose
their viewers or their public you know. So information today in the twenty first century is the thing that is for free for everyone, and at least when I mean, of course, it costs a lot of money to make films, so you have to try to get some return in some way or another.
And what we have done is we have also made the film available on DVD, of course, and we have put out all the interviews in full length for people to download for a small fee, which has you know, given us a small amount of return on the work that we have done. But I mean, it doesn't come close to what production actually cost, and we we didn't so but anyway, we didn't do this for the money.
We did it because we had this great interest, that in the top interest in the topic, and we felt that it was time to try to do what we could to participate in this ground movement to get this information up to the surface. And I hope that our film has been a contribution in that respect. All right, great, just to remind people the website's new paradigm dot No. Thank you guys so much for joining us. Well, thank you so much for having us. Thank you much. It was my pleasure.
I'm really excited to be able to get a chance to talk to you guys. So thanks for taking the time out of your day. Thanks the same to you, all right, Thank you to True and Terry top Tens. Go check out their movie because it's wonderful and it's free online and join us next week. We're going to have great bishop. He's written a book called Project Beta and it's about Richard Dodie and Paul Benowitz. And I've talked about Dody in the Air Force before and some of this disinformation kind of that
came out and drove this poor Benowitz guy crazy. So we're going to get into detail on this very important chapter in UFO history. And actually this is a period of time that generated a lot of the UFO mythology out there. So it's going to be a great show. Thank you for listening to Open Minds Radio. Join us next week, and don't forget to visit Open Minds fat TV for all your latest UFO news.