Suzanne Taylor, Crop Circles

Love Hot Radio. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rohan. Hello, it's Alejandro Rojas. And thank you to Bob Dean doing our intro there. If you were at the UFO Congress, he made us all cry when he went up and he

accepted the lifetime achievement for Wendell Stevens. It was a very, very touching moment because they were good friends, and Bob certainly misses him, and he's always a great speaker who really it's very emotional and draws you in and man, I was getting choked up. I'm not gonna lie people. So thank you Bob for doing our intro. So today we have a magnificent show. It's going to be a lot of fun. Our guest tonight will be Suzanne

Taylor. She's a filmmaker whose latest project was about crop circles. It was called What on Earth Inside the Crop Circle Mystery. It was shot in England and it engages the lively community of artists, scientists, philosophers, geometers and I'm not quite sure what a geometer is, so I'll have to ask her

educators and farmers who have been profoundly touched by the crop circle phenomenon. Many people have in the public been profoundly touched because they are profound pieces of arts that are found in the mysterious fields out there in England, all over the place, but especially in England. The film goes on to speculate about what would happen if it were ascertained that the crop circles do indeed come from other intelligence, which many of us believe that has happened already, that has been

ascertained, but of course not the general public in completely in the mainstream arena, you know, they still think it was two old guys get drunk and go out and make crop circles, Doug and Dave, one of whom has already passed away. The other one is something like eighty years old. So I'm sorry to the conventional media out there, it's not those two, although

there are a lot of crop circle groups out there making them. You know, there's still a lot of mysteries to be had, as our listeners know, because we have covered crop circles in the past with the one and the only, the magnificent Nancy Talbot. So this is going to be a lot of fun talking to Suzanne. She's got a great movie and we're going to be able to talk to her about her perspectives, how she got into this, and she's got a very interesting history in filmmaking that we will talk about

as well. So this is going to be a lot of fun. And of course, if you're a subscriber to the magazine, you are all up to date on the crop circle phenomena because our last issue, the sixth our anniversary issue, was all about crop circles and it was a good one, if I do say so myself. So if you haven't gotten that issue, you got to rush to the website and get it because it's really cool. Also, I guess just a couple of notes, Linka Tai should say thank

you to her because this weekend she allowed our cohort in crime. Actually we don't do anything criminal here, but depends. Yeah, true, true, some people there were some rumors going around that were black ops of some sort, but not that we're aware of. It's so secret that we don't even

know it if that is true. But we don't need to know. Yeah, we're not in the know about knowing, but I do know that the Phoenix Lights Anniversary, the fourteenth anniversary was this weekend and Lincoln Tai showed her movie had Travis Walton and also had the illustrious genius of Ufology, that being Antonio Juneus. This man's incredible and if you get our magazine again, you know that because he writes a lot of our great articles. But he was

able to be there and say hello to the crew as well. So if you haven't seen her documentary, you got to check it out. It's The Phoenix Lights dot Net. It's a great one. Also, then Antonio busy weekend for him was on The Bob Hieronymous and I think, I hopefully I don't have that wrong radio show, and it's a great show, and I'm sure he had a lot of fun on there, and I hope you had a lot of fun if you listened. But now you're listening to our radio

show, which is a lot of fun. And one of the best parts of our show is the UFO News because we keep up to date on the news that's gone on a daily basis, and there's some great news going on. We have just this incredible news reporter guy named Jason who comes on the show to tell us all about it. And actually, ladies and gentlemen, I'm happy to say he is here with us again this evening. Hello Jason all shook. Hi Alejandro, how are you good? How are you doing?

I have fantastic sir, wonderful. This is your Open Mindes news Brief for Monday, March fourteenth, twenty eleven. As you already mentioned, Allejudro, yesterday was the fourteenth anniversary of the Phoenix Lights, the mass Ufo siding that took place back in nineteen ninety seven, and it seems to have become a tradition where Phoenix Light investigator doctor Linka Tai hosts a screening of her documentary

The Phoenix Lights, and she did that yesterday. And I love to report on the Phoenix Lights, anything that happens with the Phoenix Lights, because of course us being in Phoenix, it's near and dear to us, and as a witness to the spectacular event, I just find anything new that comes out about it fascinating worth looking at. Yes, definitely, I'm sorry you didn't see it. Nina, Nina and Nina the Phoenix sights. Yes, not the movie. You saw the movie. Yeah, I was talking about the

actual actual events. I know. Yeah, me too. I'm very bummed about that. That would have been great, and we're I'm anticipating them coming back. In fact, I lived near the area where they were supposedly originated, and they certainly flew out over that area according to I witness account, just south of the Phoenix area here, and I don't recall the date, but they have made other appearances. Well, I want to see him. You're in the prime spot, my friend, keep your camera set up,

give me a call. I'll come out. I got my chihuahua on the roof bot right. Well, I will definitely come out and see it, because you are in the prime spot, and this time I will have Well, last time I had a camera in hand, but who knows where that footage disappeared to. Yeah, you recorded probably something like fast times at Ridgemont High over her more than likely the video. Yeah, job, buddy, push record, and that tape is long gone. Here's a story just for

you, Alejandro. Model and actress Christy Brinkley says she saw a UFO when she lived in Crete. She was out shopping one day and she saw four lights in the sky. She recounted her story saying, this is broad daylight, and the lights are very, very bright. All of a sudden, all four of the lights shot over the mountain to the other side of crete. When she returned home from shopping, she learned from others in her village that the lights had disappeared into the sea, which is not an uncommon thing

to hear in sightings. A lot of sightings happen around water, and a lot of things disappear into the water. People talk about and no doubt, Christie Brinkley is a very beautiful woman. They talked about how she doesn't show her age, and she hadn't because she looks so great and all of the commercials she still does and everything. But actually the picture in that story she

actually shows her age. That is true. I think that's a very first picture I've seen where it's like, Wow, she actually is a normal human being and is aging, and she's not a playdian. She's aged beautifully though, and I certainly had an early crush on her. Oh yeah. I always enjoyed watching National Lampoon's Family Vacation. Oh yeah, some great work that

she did in there. Absolutely, but stories like this are cool. We hear more about these, you know, celebrity people coming out with their own stories, and because of that, because they're celebrities, they're in the spotlight, their stories, their witness accounts tend to get more attention. Yeah,

And I personally think that things are opening up. I think more and more people are feeling comfortable sharing their UFO stories because, as you know, the amount of people over the years who have shared their stories, accumulating some very credible people president you know, media people and so forth, that they feel more more comfortable doing that, which is great. And I think that is what's really the slow but continual movement that's going to happen to really make the

general public in general feel more comfortable about this subject. Yeah. I agree. It's an interesting development from NASA. Images from cameras have apparently provided the most detailed views to date of the far side of Earth's Moon. Three cameras aboard NASA's unmanned Lunar Reconnaissance orbiter provided the more than fifteen thousand photographs synthesized to

create the detailed image of the far side of the Moon. Scientists say the surface of the far side of the Moon is much rougher than it's near side. The fifteen thousand photographs were taken between November two thousand and nine and February twenty eleven. And this also has an Arizona connection because the cameras are part of I guess they're basically operated by Arizona State University, who does a lot

of these Moon missions with NASA. Yeah. ASU is very exciting. In fact, I was looking up some pictures today, like from the Cassini spacecraft, and ASU does a lot of that sort of astronomical work, which is pretty cool. And don't you have some sort of conspiracy around the moon pictures? Not really conspiracy, but you know with any well I know a lot of other people do absolutely and with any sort of space imaging where we don't

really get great views, you know, you get partial views. That's why they had to assemble this image of the dark side of the Moon, the far side of the Moon, from fifteen thousand different photos over a several year span, because they can't go there and take one picture. Yeah, so you know it's an assembly of many pictures. You're not going to get one

percent accurate representation. But it's probably pretty close, and it would be good because a picture the only picture provided is a very small one, very low resolute, and I'm talking extremely tiny compared to lots of the NASA pictures out

there. So hopefully they'll release some better resolution ones because just like Cliff Clifford, who is a director for move on the Mutual UFO network, he was in Phoenix recently showing some of the moon pictures where you can see clear manipulation, where there are fuzzy areas in these pictures where it appears that something was being hidden outrageous, but I will show you. I think there are some higher resolution photos of small parts, but you can definitely see what they're talking

about with the dark side being much rougher. And there are tons of these caves on the Moon, these craters and what looked like to be the lava tubes or caves that they recently got better pictures of on the front side of the Moon, so very cool. I think there's a lot of things under the Moon inside under the surface, like creatures of some sort. That's my hope. That'd be cool. It's possible these underground caves are incredible. Yeah,

hopefully we'll get some inside views of those soon. Yeah. I mean the more we discover, of course, like we talked about, the more amazing everything is out there. Thank you Asu. Yes, my alma mater. Yes, I had to talk about another fireball UFO. I love the fireball UFOs and Oswego, Illinois resident Brandon Tudor photographed a fireball UFO and the sky on the evening of Sunday, March sixth, which was two Sundays ago.

Tudor described the object as a ball of fire falling towards earth. According to The Beacon News, the witness stated that the object changed direction as it fell. Tudor also claims that he saw two jets fly into view and circle the area. After the UFO disappeared, he took four pictures of the UFO on his iPhone Before the object vanished. Tudor took to the Internet to see if anyone else had seen the UFO. He also made several phone calls.

He even looked for answers on above Top Secret, but he's still on the quest to discover the true identity of the UFO, while other witnesses have yet to come forward. The object was also witnessed by Tutor's daughter who pointed to the sky and said, I told you aliens existed. I love that response. That is really funny. But do you have a fireball UFO falling from the sky which could be anything you've got space junk. You've got all sorts

of things that fall from the sky all the time. But this one was interesting being that it changed shape or changed a flight path. Yeah, if that was an illusion of you know, created by him watching this thing and it really did move, of course, that's pretty strange. And I just got done with his story the Kesburg crash, which was a famous story for sixty five of people seeing fire a fireball that changed directions, landed in the

forest and then police and army went in there to pick it up. Of course, nothing, no meteorite or space debris coming in from this guy is supposed to do that unless it's some kind of secret damaged space plane, right, which who knows. We know they're out there. Since it's funny enough that you know, they keep talking in the news about the secret space plane that the Air Force has flying, Oh yes, with its secret payload, and they call it top secret even though we all know about it, and

it's in the media and everything. Although we know about it, we don't know what it's carrying or what its mission is. Yeah. But the other interesting thing about this fireball is the report that there were two jets that came and circled the area. Didn't see any photos of that, but that's what

the report says. So who knows. You would think that if they are, you know, testing these secret projects, that some would where some would have failures or problems, and then yeah, sure they'd want to recover those things without people knowing. So who knows. Eldis clandestine secrecy all on the public's time. We don't know what the heck's going on or why, or if it's having any effect on our lives or national security. And it's casting

billions and billions of our tax dollars. Yay, thanks, hooray. I know you haven't seen Battle Los Angeles yet. Are you going to see it soon? I want to go with you tomorrow. Yeah. Critics have been pretty rough on it, but people who've actually seen it love it. Oh

yeah. But at the Los Angeles press day for the film Battle Los Angeles, UFO experts Bill Burns and Mark Easter, Mark Easter from MUFON and retired military officers Colonel Charles Halt and Captain Robert Salas were the panel of experts who answered questions related to UFOs. Did you see the video at all of this press conference? No? And in fact, actually I didn't even know there was a video. I don't know did we post that. I don't know

if we posted the video. We definitely have an article about it, and I think it has some of the transcript from Okay from But that was fascinating and I think the questions asked were quite serious questions and everyone on the panel handled themselves extremely well, and it was a very serious event. Yeah, battle Ali was treating this all very serious, which probably to their benefit because if people are thinking, wow, what if this is real, then they're

going to be more apt to go see it. But even like the movie phone story we did post today about this, they did it. They treated it very well and pretty interesting, you know, talking to military experts they said about the possibility of this being reality. Although the people they talked to, I know, don't feel that we're in a situation where we're being grimmed

to be attacked, right. They feel the opposite. But of course the military officers, some of our at least one of them was at our conference. A couple I think people were there from our conference. They do believe,

of course, that extraterrestrial visitation right. And one of the good questions it was asked to Mark Easter from Moufon at this press day, was about movies like Battle Los Angeles when they come out these huge blockbuster movies if Mofon sees an increase in citing the reports after movies like this, and he said absolutely. And they thought, well, perhaps it's because people, you know, you can't take them as seriously as others. But what Mark said was

a great thing. He said, I think it's a good thing because people are coming after seeing a movie like this, it's on their mind. They start thinking about it and they actually look up, which is what people don't normally do You go about your daily lives, you don't think about it. But after people see a movie like this, they thought about the topic before, when they leave the theater, they look up. They start paying attention

because they want to see. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know personally, and I haven't seen numbers that show movies drive sightings, but certainly new stories and media and news stories do and you could see that. And I did a talk where I showed that. But I agree with him. It's not necessarily that people are just reporting them and that they're less credible.

It's that, like you said, more people are looking up and more people start to think, you know, about their sighting because they think, you know what, I saw a UFO ten years ago, and I never told anybody I should go report it to these guys, you know, not that they're making something up. Some people may see an airplane and say, oh my gosh, we're being attacked. But I think for a lot of you know, the people, it's just they feel inspired to report. I

think that's right. And while I don't agree with the idea behind movies like Battle Los Angeles where they portray the alien invasion aliens are terrible. Lookout, We're all going to die. They're evil en out to get us. I think it's positive do we have movies like this, because for that very reason, people start thinking about it, they start looking, they start understanding the reality. Yeah, it's good to start. It's good to inspire thought and

conversation about the subject, that's for sure. And I think this movie is doing a lot of it, and Battle Los Angeles attacked the box office this weekend, claiming the number one spot, bringing in thirty six million dollars. However, the other well, there are several actually extraterrestrial movies out right now, but the animated one, mars Needs Moms, bombed it to box office. Oh really, it's brought in allows these six point eight million dollars.

And that movie costs a fortune to make. I don't know what they spent their money on. I know it's animation. But to compare these, Battle Los Angeles cost seventy million dollars to make, Marsney's Mom animated cartoon one hundred and fifty million dollars, twice as much, and which makes it even more pitiful that they made fox point eight million. How weird? Why would it cost so dang much? John Qusac, She's a She's a Superstar. Yeah, and it looks like a cute, maybe funny movie. I mean it

looked like I add some good lines and step in the trailers. But sometimes the trailers show you all the best parts and the rest of it's awful, so maybe it wasn't that good. Interesting, I'm surprised to hear that. I guess moms aren't ready to take their kids to a movie about abduction. Yeah, I guess not or people abducting moms. Yeah, you don't want to offend mom, she's the one who pays for the kid to see the movie, or don't give the kids ideas. Yeah, oh yeah, come

on, aliens, take my mom. But yeah, I'm surprised, first of all how much they costs to make ridiculous and then of course, I mean I would think I would think Battle Los Angeles would lost a lot of money because all the explosions and everything. But yeah, people are running around, all the extras, all the people, all the blowing stuff upright, although these days you probably don't have to blow up as much stuff as you

just you fake it, g g it. Yeah. True, Well more and more ali Aanthe movies are portraying extraterrestrials that are a fusion of biological and mechanical, but some scientists are saying, however, that artificial life is most likely what would come off a spaceship if one landed on Earth. A professor of computer science that UCLA recently said if an extraterrestrial spaceship ever lands on Earth. I bet you that it is ninety nine point likely. Then what exists

that what excess the ship will be synthetic in nature. Senior study astronomer Seth Shostak also stated, I fully agree that anyone likely to visit will not be biological beings attacking us like in Battle Los Angeles. So it's interesting they're saying robots are going to be what comes to Earth. And some of the points made, or a good point made to back that up, is the fact that our own limitations of space travel and how how long it would take to

get somewhere. Who's like that it's easier to put a robot in the ship, turn it off, and then when it gets there, have it activate. Yeah. I think those those statements are highly highly speculative. I think they have as there are a lot of statements that come from people like this, especially the scientists. You know, Oh yeah, most likely, how would they know? I mean, I agree with them, we most likely

like we are, we send rovers, we send robots into space. But if your technology is so advanced that it's just as easy for you to jump in your spaceship and cruise a million light years then why wouldn't you just jump in your own chip. I mean, if we it was just as easy for us to send people to Mars as a robot, we would send people right because they can do more, collect more everything. If they have a sort of stargate technology where they can move these vast distances in an instant,

they would probably send beings. So it's all it depends. I mean, you don't know for sure. Well, and if you're like Star Trek and you've got an android like Data, yeah you send him to the planet because you don't have to worry if you'll be able to breede down there or not. But he never went alone. He always had people with him. Sometimes they send him when they didn't know if they would to be okay, I send Data. I don't think that they're Usually he is with people, usually

not always trust me on this one. I will and Alejandra, this is a story that we talked about this morning, you and I. A legendary creature is said to be living in Lake van or Lake Vaughan, probably in Turkey. Descriptions provided by witnesses are similar to the loch Ness and other lake Man, and one woman believes the Lake Von monster could be of extraterrestrial origin. Let's see. Semra Salvan Ceslon is a Turkish civil engineer as well as

a UFO researcher. She plans to camp out by the lake with the goal of spotting the creature or object, whatever it may be. She's apparently been researching UFOs for quite a while and she discovered the serious UFO space science research center in Istanbul, just run by Hoktan Octagon, And apparently she's made a lot of friends over there with several eufologists. And it's funny because she mentioned that she was one of two females involved in the study over there. It

is largely a male field, I think. Yeah, that's for sure. And one of the girls who used to research over there, man, I cannot remember her name right now. For some she came to move on a few years ago. A really cool lady. She I guess played a small part on Star Trek interesting, one of the Dabo girls in the Deep Space nine in the bar. Yeah, she was a very pretty woman and she played one of those bartender girls that he had scantily clad there. Oh oh,

but what is it? This girl also is actually very pretty, so they have two women in eulogy, and they're both very pretty. Well, don't bring that up. Why not, that's too late. That's why you have so few women in the field, because they have people like you pointing out how pretty they are. They don't want to be known for their beauty. It's for their brains, Allehandro, their brains. No, they like

both. She is very pretty and the girls. They always talk about who they think are the cute guys in apology, you know, when they want who they want to see up on the stage. Statements directed at me aside, I've never heard that, Alhandro. Oh, okay, I have. Once you've been in this field a little longer, once you start doing talk to you here about all the girls. Oh, I can't wait to see

you. I'm jealous, Allehandro, I am, but not that. This creature is pretty fascinating and a lot of people, more than a thousand people, I guess, have reported seeing this creature. Yeah, that's pretty cool, and I don't know, descriptions vary, but it's kind of cool that she thinks that she described it as an unidentified swimming object or something, so I don't know if she thinks it's a ship or a creature. But she's camping out to find out what it is. I hope she figures it out

and lets us know. I do too. But Turkey's awesome for their their UFO research. Hawktown's a busy guy over there. He's got his UFO museum and his serious research center. And yep, we wrote about him in their incredible Turkish video that he took not too long ago, right over a several year period. And the excellent work that octon data and getting serious scientific research done on that video. Excellent witty comment, my friend. Thank you all

one hundred. That is it for the news for today. We will have to continue next week, No problem, buddy, I look forward to it. Also, be sure to check out these stories and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Minds correspondent Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed. I relinquished command to you. Alejandro, you were in command. I'm always in command. That's what you saw. I'm turning off your camera. Thank you, my friend. All right,

thank you, Jason. Excellent job. As usual, all of the interesting news going on around the world on UFOs. It's incredible stuff. Some of the other stuff that we've written about that you will see at the website should you go there. Some more very exciting stuff such as more follow up on the UFO Congress. A lot happened and some of you were wondering, you know that, hey, those films at the film festival you were talking about that which films? One? How can I get them? If you were

there? There's lots of people who were there who are asking how do I purchase these magnificent movies? And you can go to our website and we have a story on that. In fact, we showed some videos which highlighted, you know, the nominees for each category and includes which is pretty exciting, the acceptance speeches of the people. So, you know, just to go over some of the winners real quick. Best short UFO Film was one by Boom bum Enigma of the Flying Spears, and this is exciting because this was

done by an Italian company and they did a great job. They actually submitted to and Trees and out of the many short films, both of those entries made it to the finals to the last three nominees, the other one being about the Friendship Case and the other nominee was Westall sixty six, an Australian movie that was about a UFO siting at high school out in Melbourne, so very exciting. You can get information on all of these on the website,

so we had a very international flare. And then as for the winner for the Best UFO Feature Film, that was a movie by James Carman of Time Travel Productions called The Hidden Hand. So that was a great movie. People really loved it. The other nominees was one called UFOs The Secret History, which can be found at ufotv dot com, and the other was The Day Before Disclosure by Voices of the New Paradigm and The Day Before Disclosure won our

People's Choice award, so that was exciting because again some international flair. These guys came from Norway to hopefully win an ebe statuette for winning at the Film Festival, and luckily they did not go home empty handed, although one of them was wondering how they were going to explain their little alien statuette to the customs people. The award was accepted by Terry J and Trull's Top tens of the New Paradigm Films, so very exciting and we have some really cool pictures

of the film festival up. We had a guy who took some pictures during the conference who actually does some kind of coffee takable books of kind of alternate people with alternative hobbies and stuff like that. Anyways, this wonderful photographer named Peter Best, and we have some really cool pictures of his up there,

and you'll see more of his great pictures in our magazine. Also, we talked about the Saudi Arabia Business Forum where there were some eufologists there that were discussing UFOs in front of all of these major world leaders, including Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. Well, Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were at this conference, they spoke at the conference. I don't think they were at the UFO

Forum, but it was a packed house. And some of the people speaking at the forum were Jacques Valet, who we've had on the show recently, mitchi Okaku theoretical Physicists, who we put a video up with him talking about Leslie Kyne's book, Nick Pope, who we had at the conference and we've had on the show not too long ago, and Stanton Friedman, who we

also had on the show recently. And was also a speaker at the UFO Congress and then a professor of earths scientists scientists from Saudi Arabia zaglu El Nagar. I don't know if I'm saying that right. I probably am actually, But the cool thing is is that this conference posted videos of all of the talks, and there were tons and tons of talks. So this is really great because you can go and see what all of these people had to say and what they told the forum, and this business forum, you know,

took this subject very seriously. In fact, the section of the UFO portion of the talk was just kind of about innovation regarding business and how UFOs and opening your mind to the subject. It was called contact learning from outer space. How we can learn from to be innovative from opening our minds. So very cool that this conference did that. I think it's very important to see that these major business players. I mean, when you watch these videos,

you will see that this was not just some mom and pop deal. This was something that a lot of money was sunk into to put together and these are some major players. So it's really cool to be able to see these videos other stories from the web. We also, of course, I think we talked about this yet last week how NASA scientists possibly found some bacteria on another meteorite that he feels he was able to prove from space. So the

debate continues. Some NASA scientists have said no, that they don't agree with him, but actually you may remember that in the nineties has happened as well. President Bill Clinton had a famous quote where he talked about the importance if we have discovered extraterrestrial life, but that was highly debated and kind of debunked by mainstream science. Although that meteorite is still under debate. So this whole subject of whether or not some of these meteorites are from space and do show

microbial life is under debate. It's not a concluded at all. So now these scientists behind the scenes continue to debate whether or not life has been found. Of course, if they can confirm that, I think it would be very interesting. I think people would be extremely surprised, but I think they would be very excited. I think it would mean a lot for this build because now people would start to realize that, hey, maybe life is more

abundant out there than people have assumed. So those are some of the stories you could check out on the website. However, I want to move to our special guests for the evening. I'm very excited to welcome Susanne Taylor. Susanne, are you there. I'm raring to go. Oh right, god great, I have my favorite subject. Yes, thank you so much for

being on the show tonight. And I was looking at your profile on IMDV, the Internet movie database, and it appears that you were on a lot of you know, everybody's favorite television shows back and that was my first life. That was before I decided that I had to go save the world. Right, I mean I made I made a lot of commercials and I how the sitcoms, and right, that's pretty neat. It's exciting because these,

I mean are these are the best of the best. These are all the shows that I think every kid, most American kids have grown up with with. I dream of Genie, Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke and that's of your FID year old enough. Alaha, well there's reruns luckily, oh oh good, good good. And my favorite Martian. Yeah, I was his mother, that is the Martian's mother was well, no, not the Martian. Let's see, guys, A long time ago with Bill? Was that

the show with Bill Bixby? I was, Yeah, Bill, that's right, I was. I was Bill Bixby's mother, And I think it was a flashback because I was young at the time. Uh huh. So it was when he was a little kid and I was his mother. How cool? That is really neat? Yes, really, So you have been in the entertainment industry industry for a long time. Yes, I was very familiar with the showbiz when I decided that I could do better for the world then

make so commercials and situation coming. And actually I was a painter also at the time. I was painting pictures of flowers and I looked at the world and I said, wait a minute, I can do better for my world than this world in trouble, needs to be more aware, needs to open its eyes, and how can I keep doing these kind of you know, side ventures here. So I got really organized myself and I started pointing out,

okay, how am I going to wake this world up? And so you know, you have to skip a couple of decades now and here we are playing with crop circles. Yeah, very cool. So your first venture into helping to save the planet was Crop Circles. That is that what Crop Circles was for you. No, it wasn't my first venture. I started out by producing a lot of different kinds of programs and events that had to do it was personal growth at the time. That was kind of at the

top of the list was the Human Potential movement Ethelyn the sixties. Actually I came after the sixties, but that all got started in the sixties of when we started to think that the world wasn't all Ozzie and Harriet and we could do something about it. And so I was producing a lot of different kinds

of programs. You know, LA is a crossroads and all kinds of interesting people passed through, and I was on a list for agents, and people would come through on their book tours and whenever somebody interesting was in town or frequently I would get a call, do you want to produce these people? So I would do evenings for people like that, and then sometimes I would find a teacher who's really sort of at the beginning of their teaching career,

and I would say, oh, I think this is waronderful stuff. And I would promote them and make them, help make them successful. And then in the course of doing all that, the clop circles just came along as another subject matter I was interested in, you know, how we could open our minds, and the clop circles kind of accidentally landed in my lap and they said, oh, we're not making those, and I thought, oh, that would really open our up, and so I started paying attention.

That was in the late eighties that I discovered these things, and they hadn't yet possessed me. They were just another interesting thing, and I started producing programs about them. They were very popular programs at the time. I had to rent large spaces because everybody was buzzing in the late eighties and nineteen ninety about what was this going on? What was this seemed to be visitation going on, and they were so beautiful and so weird, and you know,

my god, museum quality art in wheat fields, you know. So. But then as I more and more, you know, became involved and went over to England and learned more and more about what was going on, I thought, oh, this is the thing that could really change the world big time. This isn't one person at a time, this is everyone all at once. And so I more and more dropped the other subject matters and started focusing on this and then produced my first movie in two thousand and two.

It was the first feature film ever about the circles. It was in theaters, it was on the Sci Fi channel for three years. It was called Crop Circles, Quest for Truth. I was not the filmmaker. I was the executive producer. I put it together and I actually knew more about the subject than the filmmaker than knew, so I would, you know, kind of organize what we were shooting, and I organized ten weeks in England where we were shooting. But at the end of that that is the kind of

history of the crop circles. And when that film came out in two thousand and two, I thought, you know, there's another film here, which is what are all these fascinating people who have given up their lives for this phenomenon. They've you know, left of successful careers and many different enterprises, people from all over the world who have become the crop circle researchers, and

they're they're such colorful characters and the stories they have to tell. I know the stories because I'm now part of this world and I'm not you know, the news media that comes along in snoops from the outside and doesn't really know what it's looking at and doesn't know where to go for the most interesting stories. I thought I could make a really fascinating movie, and that's when I embarked on the one I have now where I am the filmmaker, which is

called What on Earth Inside the Crop Circle Mystery. I notice on your website you don't tell anybody where they can go to get it, So I'm just gonna tell them now. You go to Crop circlemovie dot com and that's where you can see the trailer and uh and actually buy the DVD. But this, you know, was eight fool rush in where Angels three are to tread, I can make a movie? Uh huh six years later? Wow,

So it took a while. Well, I wasn't doing it, you know the way when a studio makes a movie, they have a concentrated effort and they do it all at once and they make the movie. But I was continually returning to England and trying to you know, as a little indie filmmaker, you know, you really have to struggle more to get your movie together. And it did take me six years to put it all together. And

it came out last year. Yeah, so I've got my movie, and I love my movie, and people love my movie, which is quite wonderful. Yeah, a lot of people love the movie. It's a lot of fun. And like you said, it's it's updating and it's moving on from your first film, which is one that I really liked, Quest for Truth. I like them both, and then this is kind of like part two, you know, moving on and getting into the more personal part of people

and their experiences. You know, a lot of those people and their experiences came into the field of the field and crop fields because of that first movie. They saw that first movie and they thought, you know, intrigue, and a lot of the people in my movie were the front or the product of seeing that first movie. So that was kind of squeezed. Also, Oh that's very cool. That is very screen. Yeah, that's great. Now, when was it that you first went to when you first experienced visiting

a crop circle? Well, I was producing since nineteen eighty nine and then I first went over there in nineteen ninety eighty nine. Yeah, ninety three. I get my decades mixed up, so I've been twenty years, you know, horsing around in those crop fields. And I am probably of all the people involved. And there is a rabid community of passionate people who gather in England every summer. Who are the ones who take the pictures, write the books, do the lectures. But of all those people, I'm probably

the one with the most energy on getting it out to the world. I don't have a specialty like the others do of being a photographer or a lecturer or whatever, even though I'm now starting to speak, but I have the you know, just this mission to tell the world what's going on. And you know, how do you tell the world anything? You make a movie, you know, so you know, that's kind of somewhat my unique role. Everybody, of course is delivering information, but you know, trying to

get it out very broadly so the world really pays attention. I think I've probably got the most energy on that. Yeah, and yeah, you're doing a great job. One thing that I love about the website too, is the videos that you have on the front page. You know that the glimpses into the movie with just some of the beautiful imagery of some of the incredible crop circles. Well, we have our trailer on crop circlemovie dot com. And what we did was we didn't take scenes from the movie with dialogue.

We took pretty much all visuals and then took the dialogue and put a voice over on those visuals, just so that people could really be impressed by how incredibly beautiful this phenomenon is that the crop circles are. People are surprised. You know, by and large, people are not paying attention. They think it's all over. They still remember Doug and Dave from twenty years ago that said they made them all. Oh yeah, that's over. Those two guys

made them all. Twenty years later, we still have a really you know, flourishing phenomenon and the people are you know, not everyone, but a lot of people are quite surprised. So we're bringing them news. Yeah. One of the reasons I asked you about the first time you visited a crop circle is because a lot of people the first time walking into a circle and experiencing it physically is very profound. And even people say, you know,

they're not able to prepare themselves just for the experienced. Was that true for you? Oh, that is the truth. You know, how much as much as you see the pictures and you see beautiful photography being inside one and something else again, you can't believe it. How could this be? You know, it's just so off the wall and beyond the beyond, and it just takes you into an altered state kind of. The big photographer's site is called temporary Temples. Yeah, that's what it feels like. It feels like

you're in something very profound. And because also they land near sacred sites all the time, like Stone Hinge, there's lots of that in England. That whole landscape in southern England is full of ancient sacred I say sacred, I don't know, maybe that's not the right word, but they have this sense of antiquity and that they used to do actually spiritual rituals in this particular area.

It was highly ritualized what they were doing here. And so when you're in these formations, you're near some of some artifacts whatever, you're in this thing that cannot be. It's gorgeous countryside. It's just a beautiful experience. I think probably everybody who goes to visit those circles finds that one of the best things that they've ever done. It's a wonderful experience. Now when you get there and you see, did you do some of the like sitting up

overnight to watch the fields to see if you can spot something. Well, I'm not rabbit about that. There are those who are it gets cold at night and it gets damp at night. And I did it once and then sort of at two o'clock in the morning, me and the few people the little group, I said, you know, we're cold and we're damp, and we left. But interestingly enough, there's lots of that because hilly ground, and what people do is they get on top of the hills so that

they can see what's going on below. Of course it's nighttime, but nonetheless, if there were activity down there, you'd see lights, or you'd see well, you know whatever. I mean, you'd probably get a sense that something was going on. But strangely enough, nobody has ever caught anybody in these things making them. I find that actually rather peculiar, because there is

there are a lot of them that are hoaxed. Now maybe the hoaxed ones don't aren't the ones that are under those observation points, but I don't know. There's a lot of mystery about this phenomenon in all different kinds of ways, and that's kind of nice. Actually, we're so objective in this world and materialistic and now minded. It's good to have mystery in our lives. But one of the mystery is what's going on there? How come nobody's ever

gotten caught? And maybe there's less hoaxing than we think there is, because we do think there's a fair amount of it going on now are like the terrorists of the crops of the world to try to fool everybody. They take you, you know, off your you're investigating, you're measuring your you know, analyzing, and always like, oh god, it's made by people. Am I wasting my time for you? M anyway? It is part of

the whole mystery what's going on there? I don't know. If I do another movie, I'm gonna I'm gonna find out what these hoaxers are up to. Why in the world do they would they do this year after year, uh, night after night, so to speak? Why why are they doing this? They can't get recognition, They get arrested if they knew they were making them. They you know what what artists does their artwork and doesn't want to be known for it? You know, it's it's counterintuitive, so I

would be very curious to know. And there is of course some suspicion I'm not you know, I don't want to go doing some kind of conspiracy theory kind of you know, uh, you know, lays up that kind of innergetic But it is very strange, and you do wonder if, indeed, and there is a little evidence that we've been put off the track by governments who don't really want us to be disc or to be aware to know that we are being visited. They are protecting us from knowing we are being visited.

And I don't know, maybe those hoaxes are being paid by them. Doug and Dave were there was a contract there. Yes, this seems to be common knowledge now that Doug and Dave were paid a large sum of money when you look at it, Okay, these are the two farmers who in nineteen ninety one were it became known quote unquote that they made them all. How did it become known that they quote made them all? In a press release that went all over the world. A press release by two little farmers

from the middle of nowhere got a press release all the world. And of course we actually do a number on that in the movie where we show you that where the press release seems to have come from, which seems to have in the Ministry of Defense, because you know, it was really virtually impossible for that to have happened by their hand, you know. So there's you know, societies have a way, always whatever, of protecting the status quo.

There's too much vested interest in things not changing all that much. And this if it were really ascertained that these are being made by another species that isn't us, it would change. It would be a radical change for the world. We would have to rethink everything. If we really knew, not just science fiction, but if we really knew we were not alone here what there is other There is other intelligence, and it's engaging with us, it's sending us signals. Oh my, oh whoa, what's going on? The

whole world would be asking that question. And then you know, you just extrapolate, you kind of think, well, if we you know, if we're established, yes, yes, yes, that's what's happening. We are so arrogant, we're the top of the chain. We can kill each other, we can rape the earth. Well, what about if we're not the top of the chain. What about if there's greater intelligence than us, it would humble us. That would be very good for us, and it would

unite us in one conversation on earth about what this otherness is. We have nothing to compare ourselves to, We have nothing to be in one conversation about, and that would be tremendously good for us. And you know that would just give rise to all kinds of new thinking and new considerations. And we are so imploded in this now minded scientific materialism that it would be wonderful for us to have reason to open our minds, you know, right to finally

break out. You've got my soapbox. Now, No, that's great. I agree with you one hundred percent. You know, with all of this phenomena that we explore, I agree. Now, what was it that I convinced you that there was non human creators of these crop circles? Well, you know, the bottom line being convinced, although there's lots of ways, the bottom line of being convinced is the way we establish truth in our society,

which is science gives us truth. Well, they've done some very sophisticated scientific work experiments on the encircles and what they've ascertained is that there are changes to the plants, biological changes to the plants, and chemical changes to the soil inside crop circles that cannot be it is not to be found on earth. So that's the most telling evidence. And those things have been written up in scientific papers. They've been published in peer review science journals. That's where

we get our truths from. Why the world is not paying any attention to it is you know another thing? I mean if and the whole point really of my being out there so ardently is to get attention paid. All that the world has to do is examine the evidence that's already in be open to looking at it, and it's taking it seriously. Why not? Science is are God and everything would change. So you know, the whole point of my movie. You know, this movie that I've just made is not a

scientific movie. It's not. People say, oh, some people say, well, where's all your proof? I said, no, no, I didn't make this one for proof. In fact, the other one has a lot more proof in it. But I made this one to get you excited and to see that you know, there's such passion running on these things so

that you pay attention to the evidence. So you know, that was my real That was the most convincing thing that just you know, let me absolutely know that something was going on. But you know, there's thoughts of other ways that you can see the difference between a host formation and non hosts, although the hoastes have gotten better at it over the years, and you can't always definitively tell, particularly when they've been trampled in by tourists, which they

do and then kind of your evidence is smashed, you know, But there are a lot of other ways you can tell. You know, early on, the hoaxers did not do good geometry, and whenever you saw a formation that was exquisite geometry, and they are. We've learned that we have new geometric theorems in our literature taken from the crop circum The head of the astronomy department at Boston University got very interested in them in the early years, and

that was work that he did. Yeah, so early on you could go, oh, gorgeous, gorgeous, Yeah that's for real, and then you go, oh ugly bad geometry. You know in my past muster as a design until you start examining the geometry and you see that they've just got it all wrong. Nothing fits together, it didn't work that way. Oh those are hoapes, you know. But it was the gorgeousness and the sophistications of the geometry that you couldn't exactly say that was proof. Science is more your

proof. But it's so impressive the geometry is. So we go into some of the geometry in a way that you can understand it. In fact, some people have said, oh, I finally understand geometry watching the movie. If we don't do a lot of it, but we do enough of a snippet so you get the geometric sophistication of these things. And indeed, I

mean they are just spectacularly designed with great, great intelligence. When you ask the geometers over there, and they have very very bright geometers, when you ask the geometers over there, could you design something as good as the best crop circles? And what they'll tell you is, you know, if there are ideas that the grand circle makers work with, they introduce the kind of

a concept and then they do riffs on it. Like fractals got introduced in nineteen ninety six, and ever since they have been designed based on the way they interpret fractals in a wheat field. And as the geometers over there will tell you, if once they've introduced a design idea, it's really clever how they interpret it. We could probably design something comparable. But those ideas are so unique and so original how they're translating a mathematical concept. It isn't just

lines and whatever. There's a lot more to it than that. And the geometers say, you know, we are not that they are so extraordinarily original. The concepts they come up with are just so startling that no, we'd

probably be hard pressed to do anything equally fantastic. Yeah, you know, and mentioning the science and everything, it is shocking that even to this day, when news pieces are written, which happen on a yearly basis because there's so many crop circles on a yearly basis, the science is almost always left out of the media reporting like ninety percent of the time, which is kind

of shocking because there really is some hard science. Well indeed, but you know, your media likes salaciousness and you know, controversy and conflict and whatever,

and they immediately glom onto are they real? Aren't they real? Well wait a minute, how about how about speaking about the implications if they were real, How about talking about this incredible effect they could have on us, and how stupid it is that we block our are our minds to it, that we're not interested in it, because if it really did turn out to be the goods, how how incredible that would be for it for other reasons as well, because if you can picture they are, they are visiting us,

We're not visiting them. Whoever they are, they have a capacity to do something we can't do. Well, if they can do that, what else could they do? And if we're not open to it and we're not receptive to it, how can we get their gifts? How can we learn what they understand about science that we don't understand? And what problems could they help us with? Could they help us with global warming? Could they help

us with alternative energy? You know, all these things that they are, they seem to be have a brilliant set or or you would presume they would just from the fact that they can get here. You know, these vast when you look at space and it's impossible they can't get here, except what if they are, and what and then what else could they do for us? So just the possibility of that should really inspire us to be curious and to open ourselves to this instead of this kind of nastiness of oh yeah,

well people can do that and people can do the other. And you know the reporting that they do in the the cable channels, most of them. Every few years, they'll go over and they'll make a new chickdook program that they'll rerun for a few years, and then they go over and make another one. They are incredibly irresponsible. It's so frustrating to see. And a lot of the researchers get interviewed and they think, oh, boy, did

I tell them good things? This program is going to be so good, and then they think what they cherry picked out of what was said and they just pick sentences out and distort the meanings, and I mean it's really disgusting. Actually, yeah, it's very immoral what they do most of the time terrible because they give you the idea that, yeah, oh you told us some great stuff. This is going to be wonderful and eye opening for people,

and then they switch it around so it's not effective. And they all do it, you know, every single one of those programs as that kind of slant to it, which is why it's good to watch, you know, movies that are not made by the television, you know, cable stations. So in other words, watch my movies. Right. I think another uh reason I think people have a difficult time tackling this phenomenon, especially in particular, is this one is so enigmatic. You kind of touched on that

before and with the geometry. Uh, there are so many theories and so many theories that really seem to fit, but it's so strange and enigmatic and hard to get your to get a grasp on. Well, you know, if you're not really paying attention to the evidence, the mind would say, oh, come on, people are just going out stomping those things down. Come, don't be ridiculous. But if you are paying attention to the evidence, it's harder to believe that this could be a perpetration by people than that

it's not. And what what can we say except that's the way it is. That is the truth. Sure, it's hard to believe if you don't know anything. If you look at them and say, well, yeah, how could oh where would they come from? How could they get here? I mean, who knows, you know, how would they do that? Well? I don't know. Except that when you look at the evidence, you get to see that it is more unbelievable that it is being made by

people than that it's not. And you know, here's another way that the media misses the boat by not being honest and not really being curious if indeed as they believe, or they at least tell us, uh, this is all done by people. That's a fabulous story. How did people do this? All over the world? Forty countries, years and years nobody ever caught? How do four hours of darkness? In England? They are closer to the North Pole than I am in Los Angeles, and it gets, you

know, light, it stays like later, it gets light earlier. The height of summer is well, only four hours of darkness? How did people do this? I mean, one of the formations, the biggest one ever is the size of two football fields. It has four hundred and nine separate it's all made a circles, although they aren't all made of circles. With that one is how do they make four hundred and nine circles in four hours?

That stretch picture for your audience the size of two football fields. You know, so it would be such an incredible story if what their speculation is or their cynicism is turned out to be true. Yeah, it's all made by people. Oh Mike, what a story if they tell it, if they really investigate and that's what they discovered, not bring us this phony evidence

and you know cherry picked reports and what have you that. So so as I say things, I keep trying to tell the media is for goodness sakes, pay real attention, because you'd have an incredible story if this did turn out to be all made by people. But tell, you know, really examine it, and then of course I believe what they find out is that it's not made by people. Right, So you know I got my motives

here. Well, in the History Channel, I know they had a show where they attempted they had some MIT students attempt to do a circle overnight that demonstrated all of the different anomalies yes that are found, and they failed a lot. They completely failed. I mean they tried to say that they did it, but they didn't. They did it, It took to night. It was a small circle. They didn't do it in one night. Well,

you're absolutely right. They failed, and they claimed they succeeded. Nancy Talbot's on the science site and if anybody wants to look up those stories, they're all the science reports. They're all on the same side. BLT Research dot com, Big and Less Tomato Research dot Com, and T is Talbert

for Nancy, and Nancy gave them a set of protocols. They said, they want to do this TV show and Nancy said, Okay, if you were going to replicate a genuine formation, these are the characteristics you would have to produce, and this is the parameters you would have to abide by. And they did none of that. And you know, we could go point by point and take us the rest of the show, but they ended up with something, you know, but it wasn't sitting the parameters. And they

said, oh look we did it. And you know a lot of people have seen that show. And you know, I'm the coropsicle lady. So they talked to me. Oh no, we saw those MIT students they made well they made they did it. Oh no, they didn't do it. Yeah, watch the details of the show. Yeah really really, So let's get into some of these individuals that you worked with and the people who were touched in a profound way and others I know who have kind of had this

compulsion to make this a big part of their life. Even if we could talk about some of these people, well, you've got your USC professor of architecture who actually was invited to be the head design consultants for Charles Eames, if people know who he was, who is an incredible designer of product and the Eames chairs several thousand dollars to buy one. So he's a very talented guy. He was a designer and an architecture professor at USC, and there

he is. He's one of the granddads of this phenomenon. He's one of the great experts. And in fact, if anybody wants to read the best book, it's the newest one, and it's his book. He finally years and years of writing the book. Right when you're going to get the book, Michael Michael Blickmann, and the book is Crop Circles the Bones of God. And in fact, if you get on my blog, you can link

through to it. My blog is the conversation dot org, where I write a lot about the circles, and you will see a link on there that you can just go by Crop Circles the Bones of God. But it is it's a very unique book. It's different from all the others, which are histories of the circles or picture books about the circles. This one is Michael in entering the phenomenon and all the discoveries he made, and step by step of what convinced him and what got him. And he's brilliant, you know,

and he really does. He is able to analyze them and see what the elements of them are and what the genius of them is, and he'll take you right into that. It's the only book like that, and I highly recommend that it's very very readable book, Crop Circles, the Bones of God. So he's, you know, somebody that I would point to. Now, who else would we talk about. There's Nick Callistrom, who's also

in my movie. Not Michael's in my movie as well. Nick Collistrom was a school mass teacher and he wrote a book, Oh I can remember the name, I have the picture of it in my in my movie. But what he went on to do, he went on to create an online course based on this book for school students, you know, for students about the geometry, all done from crop circles. And it's actually you wouldn't just have to be a kid geometry student. You if you got on this this website,

or I need to have numbers, I'm sitting in my computer. Maybe I can bring it up here while we're talking. But if you got on this website, you'd be fascinated just reading. Uh, it isn't just all numbers or lines and circles. It's explanations of various mathematical principles that the various

circles are expressing. You would never know this except if you were you know, somebody expert told you that you see are really pretty patterns, But you would have no way to really be privy to the just loveliness of the elements that go into making this thing. Okay, I'm on his website now. Hypermaths is the name of his book, and it's hypermaths h y p e r maths plural dot org. That isn't the name of the book actually, but this is the website. Oh, crop circles the hidden form. That's

the name of the book. But if you wanted to get on the website to see this math course, it's hypermasss dot org slash crop circles, and it just charms you and regales you, and I hope it's still up because actually the webmaster is no longer with us. Yes, it's there. I just clicked on it hypermaths dot org and you just go, oh wow, look at those incredibly delicious kind of ideas that are being expressed in these crop

circles. Names of things you've never heard of, mathematical ideas you've never heard of, and it's all beautifully graphically illustrated on this on this particular site. And I've been trying. He's had this ub for a few years, and I've been trying since that time to get some schools interested in. Whenever I come across a teacher, I you know, I'd send them there and whatever. Most of the crop circle people are not very good commercial salespeople. They

don't sell themselves very well. And but I've never been able to get, you know, anybody to take it on. But if kids learned maps through the the these crop circles, oh, they they would be learning geometry through them. They would so enjoy the subject, you know, it would bring it alive in a whole new way that you know, studying it academically just you know that doesn't do for you. And he's just not a beautiful, beautiful I'm on the site now once again. I'm just in love with with

all this stuff that he's done. And as I say, you don't have to be interested in learning geometry. You can just see from the illustrations here just how spectacularly geometric ideas are that are being played with. Yeah, in the geometry, and I just took a look at his site too, and some of what he incorporates. There's a lot of geometry, the sacred geometry, which is something that is mirrored and used in architecture that we've seen throughout

history. And it's interesting that that really you don't see that in school, which would be I think an interesting way to teach geometry. Well, sacred geometry is the geometry of the universe. Everything in the universe is put together along these lines. I guess that's why they call it sacred. Plants grow if you reduce prants to the mathematical order of how leaves come out, and

you know the whole development of a plant. If you take the human body and you relate the body parts mathematically, the hand to the arm, the you know, all the body parts, they're all sacred geometry. Everything in the universe is sacred geometry, which is why when you turn to the crop circles, and they're not all geometrics, but the ones that are are made along the lines of sacred geometry. That's the elements that designs them or the

design pattern to them. And that's probably why you think they're so beautiful, why they are so beautiful. It's very beautiful. The universe is a beautiful, beautiful place. And so even though you don't know that you're looking at sacred geometry, you're just looking at these patterns, going, whoa, that is beautiful. It's because of their designs along the lines of sacred geometry. Cathedrals are designed that way, chart and the acropolis I got by names right

whatever. There you know, a lot of very beautiful architecture and beautiful design is a function of this sacred geometric principles that they are being designed with, which is the geometry of the universe is not all beautiful. I mean, it's just so beautiful. The human body, even the human body even right, yeah, right, that's a fascinating study. Yeah, yeah, it is incredible, And I think that's what's that's another interesting facet of the crop

circles. Is that it incorporates that so much, which, like you said, it's it's a way to teach people and get people interested in geometry. I think, you know, for me math and science, I kind of I was into it. I was okay at it, I was good at it, but I mean, I until you get the practical uses. Once I got to physics where you could do you know, see the practical uses, Oh, this is why I'm learning this stuff. That's when it gets really exciting and when you really want to use it. I think, well,

I love geometry personally. I was an excellent geometry student. I got one hundred on everything. Oh, I got one hundred in all my math because there were puzzles you could solve. But geometry was particularly not because it wasn't just numbers. It was puzzled and I always found that very fascinating, even you know, not knowing crop circles when I was a kid. Uh but you know that was me. But but anybody would love learning their geometry

this way. Now you've talked a lot about or you earlier were talking about the possible extraterrestrial origins of the crop circles that are are not man made U. I know you ran across a lot of different theories. What were some of the other major theories? Uh? But you know, you know, people will come up with their their their opinions, and sometimes very strong opinion.

It's nature, okay. Uh, it's the future coming back to us, it's from inside the earth, whatever, and and and very complex theories. I actually have a little folder for the very strange, very complex. People write whole books about the theories which I've I mean, it's quite astonishing the way people take off on this and think they've solved it in some way. But I'll just tell you one reflection I have about all of that.

First of all, we have no idea where this is coming from. We've never identified anything in the universe besides ourselves that can function in a way that could deliver these things. It's all science fiction, so we're absolutely speculating when we imagine where they could come from. But even beyond that, I have something else to say, which is that I think we can say relatively definitively.

I hate to be definitive about anything of something of this magnitude of awesomeness, but I think we could relatively definitively say that whatever is delivering this, like when people say nature, I say, well, how would nature do that? In fact, it has all the characteristics of being delivered by something that is embodied, like we are embodied and somewhere somehow in another dimension, extraterrestrial, wherever the future. It's embodied because look at what it does.

It carefully designs, It makes selections, that makes choices. These aren't just natural patterns. They're being very carefully honed. And then mind is applied to where are they delivered? As I say, they land near sacred sites. In America, they are frequently near Indian burial grounds, ancient things that are we have a sense of, you know, some kind of I don't know, sacred. I have to come up with a better word than that.

But whatever it is ancient and to be revered and respected and cherished and maintained and whatever like Stonehenge and all of those kind of things over there. So they very carefully are placed. They're not only near those things. But if you can picture in England, which is the focal point of the phenomenon, half of the formations approximately each year come in England, and then forty other countries get a smattering of the rest of them. England is family farms.

It's not you know, commercial farming with these vast farms. They're small farms, and the circles virtually never land overlapping, half in one farmer's field and half in another. They're in a canvas. The little farms are like canvases and the circles land inside them. Well, that's being orchestrated. There's thought

given to that. It's not accidental. And what thinks, Well, something in a body thinks, So you know, there seems to me to be the kind of evidence that indicates, wherever they're coming from, we have another species of creature, you know, that actually is in bodies. Isn't that a good It's fun kind of a fun idea, of course. I mean

each keys we've pictured in bodies forever. But you know, I rather like that some other thinking species that can maneuver and engage us and get here and deliver and design and have thought, you know, with a lot of what they're delivering to us is stuff we recognize, almost like they're saying, look, look, we see you. And they give us patterns we recognize,

They give us sacred symbols. We recognize. My movie has a solar system that has the pattern of the planets that will be here in twenty twelve. That date, we're looking toward somebody, somebody, some creature, some mind decided that you know, oh look, we'll send them this. I wonder if the creatures out there are scratching, as I say in the movie, whatever passes for their heads, going why don't they get it? Don't they get it? We keep delivering all this intelligence to them. How come they

don't see that? You know, they are receiving messages from us, So at least they haven't given up on us, and they keep trying. Well isn't that a good thing? Really? Really? And they do keep running rings around us, so this big I mean, they just deliver these you know, every ever they keep topping themselves with new different kinds of ideas that they keep designing around and like, you know, each summer we go, oh wow, look at that. And then of course, you know,

for your listeners, I don't know you have. I think you have probably a sophisticated audience of sophisticated people. But in case anybody doesn't know, the season is about to start. You know, April is the month when a few might come in March, they've never come in March, but April sometimes a few, and then May a few more, and then June's they really start to be robust. But when they do come in, everybody, if they don't know, get on crop circle connector dot com because each one that

comes in gets a page and you'll see the pictures that people take. Everybody knows to send their stuff to crop Circle connector dot com, and then people write their analyzes of them, and then they have these terrible chats about them with a whole try to shoot down the researchers and insult them and say nasty things about them. You don't want to get on those chats too much. But the pictures and the stories that get printed on these pages or are quite

wonderful. I mean, you'll see the breadth of the intelligence that's encoded in these things. They're not just pretty pictures. Even though they are pretty pictures. There's a lot of information that's being carried in them, and individually information. People sometimes ask what's the big message. I don't think there's a big

message. I think we're just being given over and over again the evidence that intelligence is contacting us, right, and that that's why people get this idea of messages like you're talking about, Well, they definitely are telling us things in these individual circles. Things we recognize, things we analyze and go, oh that's for this, and that's for that, and oh look that's the

echo of something we sent out the twenty five years ago. Look they sent it back to us of you know, very smart people are paying atten and from all different disciplines. So whereas you know, you or I wouldn't know about geology or whatever, we wouldn't know about other people do, and they pick out the you know, the encoded information that's the intelligence of their field,

and then they slap it all on cropsort ofconnector dot com. So you're, oh, wow, look at all that stuff that's in there right now. One of the idea series that floats around, and I was wondering, if you have a sentive if it's taken very seriously in England where this mostly happens, is of satellite creating these some sort of top secret military wepping. Well, that's an interesting idea that people float around. I actually did a

blog post about it because that would not be possible. And there are parameters of how those satellites work, how the Earth is spinning, how the how visibility has to be there in order to do this. And so if you got on conversation dot org and I wonder what you would have to type into the search, maybe satellite, maybe the word satellite. I should get on there myself and see and and see how you would bring up this particular piece that speaks to the fact that that cannot be. So I'm waiting for my

blog. Let's see. Okay, let's see if I type in satellite baseball, satellite st I'm gonna beat you two EL one L. I think Nope, that didn't work. But that's okay, well military, maybe let's see if we get it from that. But yeah, I know that's that in England? Do people really bat that idea around it? And do they take

it serious? Reason? Here it is can satellites make crop circles? If you scroll down to the third thing that appears, if you put satellite in the search, you'll get some of the and that that's just a piece of the feedback about why satellites can't make crop circles? Okay, gotcha? Great? Now at deconversation dot org, right. A lot of fascinating stuff on there. There's a archive of I write about consciousness and spirituality and what have you. But if you go on the right, and first of all,

you can go back through page by page. But if you want all the crop circle posts on the right there it says previous posts and the top thing is crop circles. Can see that. I've had one hundred and thirty different pieces I've posted about crop circles here, so if you want them all at once, but I post very interesting other things as well, because I'm interested

in the crop circles because they can change consciousness. So I got things on the blog that, you know, don't say crop circles at all, but talk about consciousness and how we can what what the what what it is, and what the bigger picture is that we're missing, and how we can aside from having the crop circles, jar us into a greater awareness. In a way, the greater awareness the crop cirvice with jaris into is it would change

our worldview who are we collectively? But consciousness is also a matter of individual awakening and awareness and expansion, and I write a lot I put on a lot of pieces about that as well. Now, you mentioned twenty twelve earlier, and do you feel some people feel that, you know, that's a mark for a large shifting consciousness or possibly awareness. Do you feel that way, You're yeah, you will hear your in personal opinion, nobody knows what's

going to happen. If you just ask me my personal opinion, what I would say is, I don't believe there's any credence at all to the fact that a date is out there and something's going to happen. But what I do think is because we're all interested in that, and there is so much interest in it, and there is so much it gets us thinking, and it gets us speculating, and it gets us talking about what the changes could be, and maybe they're positive changes, and what kind of positive changes do

we need? And I think all that focus actually produces something very valuable. So I'm very glad that you know we have twenty twelve there. It's like the harmonic convergence in eighty six, I think, where again I just didn't believe there was anything to the reality of the fact that something was going to happen on a particular date to the universe, but the fact that we were all focused on it, and then we were all talking about it and you

know, comparing notes and about what we think about life and whatever. I thought all that was tremendously valuable, and in a way it did produce results. You know, it did get us together into collective thinking. And I can see where this is producing very mindful results in our mindfulness and our thoughtfulness,

and I think this is very good. That's an interesting perspective because I can see that how the harmonic convergence convergence did get people speaking and speculating and new ideas to thinking together, thinking together, which is what we really need to do. We all need to think together and not just think about our own greed or you know, personal aggrandizement and who gets the most money and whatever. No, no, no, we need to think about the you

know, quality of life and what are we all doing here? And you know, it certainly isn't about whoever makes the most money. I mean, that doesn't turn out to be the goods, even though it's you know, lovely, but it's not to be all end all. You know. We we've really distorted ourselves, right and unfortunately, yeah, especially with how commercial things are these days and our country becomes more and more about money. But

although I think it gets lost and maybe you feel this way. I mean, for instance, you have a movie that, like you said, offers a lot of information that is not in the mainstream, and there are a lot of people interested in your movie and in all of these subjects that aren't in the mainstream, and it's kind I like the silent masses that are underneath at all. Well, I've certainly made I did not make this movie for

us. I made this movie to get out to those people that you know are are not paying attention to these bigger issues, and in fact, we're just starting to move out that way. I started out with a marketing campaign to the second largest niche on the net, which is us. When I say us, the UFO niche sex being the first largest niche. But because it was such a vast audience out there, and because I could first of all sell the movie and keep retail profit, so then I had money to

have a campaign to get the movie out further. And in fact, one thing I want to tell your audience is if anybody is in New York, big big deal. My movie's going to run for a week in New York in April twenty second. If it does well, it will run past the first week and it will go out to a large chain of theaters if it does well. So a lot of my effort now is going into spreading the word in Manhattan. It's going to be a very well known art house in

Manhattan called the Quad Cinema. Everybody in Manhattan knows what the Quad side. When does that start? It starts April twenty seconds. And in fact, because you've got a sophisticated UFO kind of audience, I'm looking for panelists to do Q and a's with me afterwards. Great, So if you get on the conversation dot org my blog, you can email me from there. But

I am looking for even people who would moderate. Maybe you don't even know much about the Circles, but they have some cachet in the world, and you know, people would find it interesting to have, you know, bring me some movies start well, cool, because I know we do have a lot of people in New York, a lot of listeners out there, so and some of them are active in this stuff. So you know, get on and you email me and I'll give you information about things you might be

able to go to other than the movie. And there's a going to be a big deal thing in going on in New York and I really want support there. We have five shows a day for seven days minimum, and I want to you know, have them crowded, and I wanted to be successful there. So all right, any New Yorkers be in touch. Well, we're out of time, So the Conversation dot Org is where the New Yorkers and other could go to see your blog and then crop circlemovie dot com to

see more about the movie and how to purchase it. Excellent, well done. Actually on the blog you can click on by the movie and it'll take you the same place at crop circlemovie dot com. So if you all go to the Conversation dot org, it's the only place you have to go to and you can do it all. All right, Well, thank you so much for being on the show. It was a lot of fun. You definitely brought a lot of energy to the show and a lot of information.

Thank you for being a good interviewer. You are, Alejandro, and you really are with me here and I can really feel it and that's what helps me, you know, express myself. So I appreciate that. Great Thank you very much, thanks for being on the show, and we'll have to revisits time any time. All right, Well, next week I want to let everybody know that we're going to have Chuck Zukowski on. He's a paranormal

investigator. We've had him on the show before. He has done roswell research and also cattle mutilation stuff recently and he got terminated as a reserve deputy sheriff's officer for some of his cattle mutilation stuff, so we're going to talk to him about that. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit Openminds dot tv for more UFO news. We'll talk to you next week.