Stanton Friedman, Nuclear Physicist

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up close and personal. And now Open Minds Radio presents evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to Open Minds Radio, where we are bringing the UFO subject into the light of day. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another great show today. I'm very excited to say our guest today is probably the number one ufologists in the world, and that is nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman. Believe it or

not, I've never interviewed him before. I've met him several times. I've spent time with him at several different conferences. So I'm excited to talk to him today because he has been in this field for decades. He was one of the original people to break the Roswell story, so it's sort of his fault that we all know about Roswell and what that is and what that means to us today, which is very exciting. He also has been on Larry King quite a few times in the last couple of years, arguing with the

setting people, with other scientists, debating UFOs and extraterrestrials. So I'm excited to talk to him today. It's going to be a great show. A couple of things to talk about before we get to Stanton. First, our magazine, of course, is in the stores. It's in Barnes and Noble. It's in Borders. You can go there and you can buy it if

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then next week we will be giving that away. So go sign up this week if you're not already signed up. If you are already signed up, no worries because your name is already in the raffle. So lots of cool stuff. Speaking of keeping up to date, before we get to our guess, let's talk about UFOs and the news. These are headlines from conventional media around the world. We keep a close eye on that. We update the

headlines on our website on a pretty much daily basis. But today we have with us our news correspondent, Jason McClelland, who's gonna give us the lowdown on UFO headlines. Hello Jason, Good afternoon, Alejandro, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds news brief for Friday, April nine, twenty ten. The Associated Press reported a story this week about an article published in the Jordanian newspaper that caused widespread panic in April fool's joke.

The paper printed a front page story about a ten foot about many ten feet tall aliens who landed their UFOs in a desert town one hundred and eighty five miles outside the country's capital. Many residents took the article seriously, and officials were close to calling for an emergency evacuation. The town's major even sent security authorities to search for the aliens. The mayor is angry about the joke and

wants to sue the newspaper. The managing editor of the paper says that the whole thing has been blown out of proportion and the intent was merely to entertain. How very orson. Well, yeah, I think the mayor is a bit of a spoilsport. I think he's upset because he fell for their joke. I mean, he was freaking out he was about to have the army unleashed on these aliens. That's more than likely it. I mean he probably

feels like he looks pretty foolish. Yeah, I think it sounds like great fun, a great story, and that story is getting all over the news. Yeah, in UK news. You may be familiar with the mysterious and disturbing cattle mutilations that happen around the world, and we've even talked about those on the show with Chucks Ukowski. But sheep seemed to be the target of these horrific mutilations in the UK farmers near Shrewsbury. He claims, you have

witness sheep being lasered by lights being emitted from UFOs. These sheep have been found with their brains, eyes, and internal organs removed. Several witnesses claim to have watched the UFOs at work, including fifteen members of an animal pathology field unit at a Welsh Hill farm near Radnor Forest. One of the witnesses describes the technology he observed as not from here and frightening. Yeah. I mean some of the scientists out there are saying that they believe it's extraterrestrials and

UFOs that are doing this to their sheep because of eyewitness testimony. It's fascinating with the sheep situation here because I think more people have come forward and so they actually have watched it happen. Yeah, And I think because of the scientists backing this. This is another story, both of these stories that are getting a lot of international press for sure. In other news, a new

survey shows that one in five people believe that aliens walk among us. The IPSOS Global Survey found the twenty percent of people poll believe that aliens exist and are disguised as humans. It's interesting to note that more people in the most populated countries share this belief, and that probably makes sense because in less populated

areas, people are more likely to know their neighbors. You know, when I lived in New York, when you walk in the seas of people, it's a little easier to think, well, maybe some of these people are actually aliens, especially in New York. Absolutely. It's also interesting to note that the most people who believe that aliens walk among us are male, which I don't find surprising, but also they're younger than thirty five years old,

which I find completely surprising. Yeah, that is very surprising. Interesting. Well, that's it for the news, Alejandro. Back to you. Cool. Thanks Jason. So we have our exciting guest, Stanton Friedman coming up. I'm really excited to talk to him because I haven't been able to interview him before on the show, and I figure, you know, he's all over the place. He does interviews and talks all over the country all of the time. But I wanted to introduce him to the Phoenix metro area and

have you have your chance to talk to him yourselves. You'll be able to call in later and I'll give you more details about that to talk to Stanton and ask your own questions. But the godfather of youthology, Stanton Friedman, will be coming up after our break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on kfn X. Welcome back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio, and I want to remind you that you can go to Openminds dot tv to read all

of those news stories that Jason and I had just talked about. But without further ado, let's bring on Stanton Friedman. Hello, are you there, sir? I am here in beautiful Friderton, New Brunswick, Canada. All right, time zones ahead of you. You're already in the late afternoon out there. You're right, you're right. So in what's the weather like out there? You asked me that it's not warm, but it's not bad. It's sunny. It might get up to fifty today. You're going to have

to move out here to sunny Arizona. We've got eighties. We're in the eighties. Well, I'll tell you something. We're just pleased not to have snow on the lawn. Normally at this year we would, but I don't know. This has been a crazy year. I'm not complaining. You understand, I can do without the snow, but last year we had thirteen feet and we didn't get anywhere near. Wow, that's a lot of snow.

But yeah, moving on, let's get into UFOs. And one of the first questions I wanted to ask you is in your career and the pass is a nuclear physicist. At what point did you begin to take UFO seriously? Well, it was totally inadverton. I read a book. I had ordered a book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects by Air Force Captain Edward Ruffeld, who'd been headed Project Blue Book for the Air Force in the early fifties.

This was nineteen fifty eight. I was working as a quite young nuclear physicist for a General Electric Aircraft Nuclear Propultion department, one of the many canceled government sponsored research and development parks I worked on. Anyway, I got the book mainly because it was marked down from two ninety five to a dollar, which would have been what it cost to ship the whole order anyway, So whatn't cost to me? I think Air Force was co sponsor of our program.

And incidentally, that wasn't just a little paper study. We employed thirty five hundred people in nineteen fifty eleven hundred of them more engineers and scientists, and we spent one hundred million dollars that year. So I mentioned that only because I have seen some crazy stuff about me, saying he only worked on paper studies. Well, I spent millions on the expensive materials on radiation shoeing experiments I was doing. It wasn't a paper study anyway. I read the

book. It intrigued me, shared it with a neighbor ten years older than I was an engineer. He was more impressed than I was. Moved out to California and read fifteen more books at a good librarian who kept me supplied. And then the turning point, the point at which I really had to take the subject terribly seriously, was finding a copy a Project Blue Book, Special Report number fourteen at the University of California, Berkeley Library. And there

were a couple of surprising things. One, it was used two hundred and forty charts, stables, graphs, and maps. I was in data heaven. Secondly, it hadn't been mentioned in any of those sixteen books that I had read. And Third, and this was the shocker, that Leon David's doctor, Leon Davidson, who had put this thing together, he had gotten I don't know how he got a copy of it. This before freedom of

information. It wasn't classified, but it wasn't for wide distribution either. He got a copy of included a copy of the press release that was put out in nineteen fifty five October supposedly about this study. Although it didn't mention the story the study by title, surely some reporter would have said, hey, what do you mean fourteen? What happened one through thirteen? They were all

classified, which they would not have wanted to say. Secondly, it didn't include the name of the people who did the study, which was not only their names, but even the company, which was Betel Memorial Institute in Columbus, Ohio, a very well respected research and developed infirm. And Third, he lied, He flat out lied in the press release, and that shook me up. Let me be specific now, I don't want people saying,

oh, he just says everybody lies. Well, here's the Secretary of the Air Force, Donald quarrels saying, quote, on the basis of this report. We believe that no such objects as those publicly described as flying saucers have overflown the United States. Even the unknown three percent could have been identified as conventional phenomena or illusions if more complete observational data had been available. Well, that sounds pretty straightforward, and of course we've heard the same thing many times

since. The only trouble is it's a flat out lie. The unknowns weren't three percent or three and a half or four or fifteen, they were twenty one and a half. Wow, that's a big stretch. Secondly, there was a separate category insufficient information. If there wasn't enough data about it available about a signing, it could not be listed as an unknown. Third it

took agreement on the part of all four of the final report evaluators. There were thirty two hundred and one sightings in this study, so it's big. You know. It wasn't three guys sitting around for four days and sorting all this stuff. They had a rule you couldn't label the sighting is unknown,

and that's the only ones we're interested in. Unless all four of the final report evaluators agreed it was an unknown, any two could label it anything else, you know, aircraft, balloon, economical, all this kind of stuff. And in addition, they did a quality evaluation of all the sightings and found the better the quality, you know, the quality of the observer, the duration of observation out close you were, all that sort of thing,

the more likely to be unexplainable. Now it really shook me up. But I mean I was working under security. I did for a total of fourteen years, and I'm accustomed to sort of sometimes you tiptoe around the truth a little bit, but flat out line right well, and that would mean six hundred unknowns that all four of these guys are possibly more that they agreed on. You got it, And so you know, I was shook up, and I determined from that point we're gonna find out more, We're gonna do

more. I joined APRO and NCAP, which don't exist anymore. Of course, I'm active in New Fon. Given more papers at mw FON annual symposia. There have been forty so far than anybody else, and you write there for every one of their journals at least. Now. Yeah, I've been doing a monthly column and it's kind of fun, and they give me pretty much a free reign, so I can talk about the nasty, noisy negativists,

naysaying newsmen, and the SETI cultists. You know, my interpretation for cetis is silly effort to investigate because somebody has to point out the illogicality, unreality, unscientific approach that these guys are taking, and that it upsets some people. I don't care, you know, I'm on my own, on my own boss, which is kind of nice. Well, and I said, he people don't mind upsetting people themselves when they have clubs like a pseudo science club that I think, sess Josh Stack, is it part of well?

You know, Seth and I debated on Coast to Coast radio. We had met on the Queen Elizabeth II on its last westward voyage. We each gave three lectures and attended the other stuff. And when I asked in my lecture, after talking about five large scale scientific studies, including the book Special Report fourteen, I asked how many people here read this? And of course he didn't raise his hand for any of them. Right now. He did say once this past year that my book Flying Saucers and Science was on his

nightstand. Now, he didn't say he'd read it. You understand, right. But we did a debate on Coast to coast. I got fifty seven percent of the vote. He got thirty three percent and ten percent that I don't know. But there's a whole chapter in the book about the cult of SETI, and it's somebody has to tell it like it is now. One of the things I bring to the table, well, there are a couple that make me sort of an odd ball. I guess some people would agree

with that. One is that I worked on a lot of classified programs. I've been to twenty archives. I can talk knowledgeably about the cosmic Watergate, the government cover up. I know how security works. I've written classified documents. Second, I worked on really far out propulsion systems, not only nuclear airplanes, and as I said, it was a large program, but I

also worked on fish and nuclear rockets. We successfully tested some on the ground, but the nuclear test site, which is not too far from Area fifty one. I also worked on a particular significance nuclear fusion propulsion systems. And I mentioned that because a lot of places don't have a lot of uranium, but fusion is the most important source of energy production in the entire planet, in the entire universe. All the stars out there create their energy as a

result of nuclear fusion. And so every advanced civilization they're going to know about fusion. Everybody's going to say, how does the star work? And you know, we haven't known very long. Nineteen thirty eight we finally figured out it's not a massive running gas up there. It's a fusion facility, if you will. And being the kind of Earthlings we are, we immediately went to work, and in nineteen fifty two we built rather die fusion device.

They call it an H bomb. Even we humans figured it out. Yeah, and just a short time nine thirty eight to nineteen fifty two. Now this wasn't a little small H bomb. This released the energy equivalent to exploding ten million tons of TNT. That's a fireball. Yeah, that's a big

thing, very big thing. The fireball was three miles wide. And so if we were able to do this, then presumably somebody who might have gotten started a little bit before we did, say a million, a billion, and ten thousand, doesn't matter, pick any number would have learned the same

things. Right now, it's not just the question of being able to build bombs and the Russians exploded one that was We've got to hit a seventh and we're going to talk more about Flying Saucers and Science the name of your books. So we'll be back very shortly with Stanton Friedman talking UFO. So, as you're listening to Open Minds Radio on camp next, welcome back to Open

Minds Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I want to remind you that you can watch the radio show live streaming on our website openminds dot tv, and we even have a live chat there where you can ask the questions. And we do have a question for Stanton in the chat, and I'll ask you in a minute. But Stanton has been referring to his book Flying Saucers and Science, and sat you were referring to earlier kind of

SETI and some of their silly ideas are around physics and science. Their conclusion is extra trestrials can't be here because the distances are too far. Well, not only that there are too few of them. Yeah, you can't get here from there is one of them. And it's a crazy thing is they calculate, They think very generously and come up with there might be ten thousand civilizations in the galaxy. There's over one hundred million, hundred billion sorry stars

in the galaxy. That means only one in ten million, and we're one of them. We're the top people. And if you figure that out, if you assume a relatively uniform distribution, you sprinkle a few throughout the huge galaxy, which is one hundred thousand light years across. That means you ought to be maybe two within a thousand light years. Not very exciting. Why would any of them send us a message? How would they know we were

here? We've only been sending out radio waves, et cetera. Columbus didn't send a message to North America or Central America before he took off, you know. Furthermore, one of the key factors in the so called Drake equation is the life span of a civilization. The trouble is, we don't know the lifespan of any civilis not even our own. We are how long it's going to be around there and a lot of idiots around We only killed fifty million of our own kind in World War Two. That it's not a good

start anyway. The kicker is they assume that there's no colonization and no migration. So a planet that has intelligent life able to send signals looms like a rose and then dies and that's the end of it. Rather than knowing, as every advanced civilization would, that there are reasons for checking out other places, just in case maybe an asteroid comes, we use up too much of the resources, maybe a supernova goes off. You know, every civilization is

going to be looking around furthermore. We are, you know, we're sort of out in the boondocks of four point three light years of the next star over. But my favorite two stars Ata one and Zeta two Ticuli in the constellation of Ridiculum, which you can't see from here, and you guys can't see it. You got to go for the south anyway. Those two stars are only thirty nine point three light years away from us, and from each other only about an eighth of a light year, so you can directly observe

planets around the other star no difficulty. You can directly determine whether there is some kind of biological life there, and you have plenty of time because those two stars are a billion years older than the Sun to develop appropriate interstellar travel technology and presumably if you've got a little more time than we've had, you'll

do a little better than we have. When I worked on fusion proportion, it was clear that if you use the right stuff in the right way and want to spend a ton of money, you can kick articles particles out the back end of a fusion rocket that only have ten million times as much energy per particle as you can get in a dumb old chemical rocket. So it's because you're an entirely different perspective. And also the other important assumption is,

ain't nobody coming here, guys? When there's far more data indicating aliens or visiting than that, somebody out there has nothing better to do than send messages using techniques about which we know nothing and without knowing what our capabilities would be to receive and interpret it. So there are a lot of wild guesses that these guys are taking with these unknown factors and totally ignoring. They'll tell you there is no UFO evidence, never referring to the large scale scientific studies.

I mean, let's face it, if you want to get really right down to earth, if aliens are visiting, who needs to listen with radio telescopes? Right? You know? Learn sign language. Well, and that brings me to one of the other big questions. I wanted to ask you what brought you to subscribe to the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Well, because it's the only one that made sense, and I don't even consider it a hypothesis. I say, Remember, the question I'm asking is not what are UFOs or are

all UFOs alien spacecraft? The question is are any Look we see high performance craft that had to be manufactured. I mean, we're not talking lights in the sky here. If we would have been able to manufacture these, say back in the forties, fifties, sixty seventies, eighties, nineties, we'd have been using them in warfare, high maneuverability, great speed, silent flight. Hey, everybody on the planet would love to have a few of those.

They're good offensively and defensively. If it wasn't made here, and we certainly haven't used these in warfare. Remember we developed a stealth fighter. We used it, So if it wasn't made here, it was made someplace else. That's pretty straightforward. And then looking at the nuclear capabilities. I worked on fusion proportion nineteen sixty two, that's a long time ago. Then you

realize, Hey, everybody's going to know about fusion. You know, maybe not everybody on this planet understands that that's what's going on in the sun. We're a very primitive society whose major activity is tribal warfare. We're just beginning, and some people would likely say, well, why the heck would anybody

want to come here to keep us from going out there? Of course, but there's the whole chapter in the book about, you know, the why questions They land on the White House Law and why would they come here? Why doesn't the government tell us what it knows? And the point is not presuming they're alike, that they're like us, you know, but certain things.

I make one major assumption about every advanced civilization, it seems to me reasonable, and that is that they're concerned about their own survival and security. Everybody we know that that's a major concern. We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year making sure nobody pulls a surprise attack us. They don't want

these crazy monkeys flying over to Zetteraticulan and wreaking some havoc. Well, that's right, and so my presumption is that they'd want to keep tabs on the primitives in the neighborhood, but only close tabs and those primitives who show signs of being able to bother them. At the end of World War Two, there were three signs that soon these Earthlings would be bothering able to bother them Nuclear weapons, powerful V two rockets which were used for warfare, not for

delivering mail. And powerful radar as a forerunner of sophisticated electronics. And you know what, in July nineteen forty seven, there was only one place on the entire planet where you could study all three of those technologies, Southeastern New Mexico. And first Adam Baum was tested at Trinity Site on the grounds of the White Sands Missile Range. That's where the capture German V twos were being tested. That's where we had our best great how to track the rockets,

because you know what, sometimes they went the wrong way. Right. In a couple of weeks, we're going to have Robert Hastings on and to your point, you know, he talks a lot about UFOs checking out nuclear sites. Sure, and Bob has done a lot of work on that and collected a lot of information. And the kicker here is he's been able to talk to a lot of former military guys and who else knows about what's going on at the nuclear tip missile sites, you know, besides the military guys.

So he's collected an awful lot of information. And what is interesting to me is that he's also found out that there is similar concern on the part of the Aliens with what's going on in the Soviet Union. Oh. Interesting, I didn't know about that part. But yeah, he's had some input from some people who say that just you know, Melstrom Air Force Base, we had the ten minute men missile go down, and of course we had Bill Ny the science guy. Oh it was just a power failure. Yeah,

yeah, right, okayly redundant. He should stick to the kids shows. But we're going to take another break. This is our short segment, and we'll be back to talk more about UFOs with Stanton Friedman right after our short break, and we'll talk more about the science and then we do have a question from the chat that I'll ask you as well when we get back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Stay tuned, Welcome back. You are listening to Open Minds Radio on KF and X and we are talking UFOs with

the guy to talk to the most popular upologists out there. He gets all over the place. We're talking to Stanton Friedman, and one thing I want to talk to you now, Stanton's kind of some current affair type of stuff. Although you have answered this question, there was a question from the chat and maybe you can answer Mark direct, but I guess they are talking about They're talking about not only alien agenda they're asking you about, but also the

government's agenda when it comes to this topic. Well, yeah, I mean that's that's one of the why, the key why questions? What do the aliens want? Why doesn't the government tell us what's going on? Why would anybody come here anyway? You know, I think the government has every government. Remember, this isn't an American problem, It's an earthlink problem all over

the planet. Ted Phillips has collected physical trace cases from eighty countries. You know, I've lectured in sixteen other countries besides fifty states and nine provinces. So there's a lot of interest out there all over the place. Every government wants to cover up number one reason. You want to figure out how the darn things work. They make wonderful weapons delivery and defense systems. That's where our money gets spent. You got wreckage from Roswow. Remember I'm the original

civilian investigator the Roswell incident. The books are on my website TRIPLEW dot Stanton Friedman dot com. You got wreckage, you set up your secret project. Rule number one for security, you can't tell your friends without toning your enemies because they listen to the radio. Two second problems the other side of the same coin. What if the other guy figures out how they work before you tube, you don't know how to defend against them as they try to defend

against you. You know, we've been playing this game a long time. The third problem is if you make an announcement. Let's say, my favorite couple of the Pope and the queen, how's that uncoupled? They're about the same age and the people, Yeah, well lone. Anyway, if they were to make an announcement saying, indeed, planet Earth is being visited by

intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft, what would happen? Well, church attendance would go up, mental hospital admissions would go up, the stock market would go down. I suppose, and one of the big things that would happen this is based on over six hundred college lectures, is that the younger generation, which unlike me, wasn't around when there wasn't a space program, would push for a new view of ourselves instead of as Americans or Chinese, or Greeks or

Peruvians as earthly. Let's face it, from an alien view, but we are all earth things, like it or not. It's like that very much. So to know these points, do you think disclosure will happen anytime soon? Not voluntarily and not soon, although a strange thing to be encouraged by. Last year the Pope, when he was asked and his big astronomer also had said, well, you know that God made us, he could have made them too, no big deal. And my first thought was, gee,

what does he know that we don't remember? She getting ready to convince one point one billion Catholics. That's okay. I wanted to ask you about. We're going to have Paul Davies on next week. And he's a scientist out of ASU or a philosopher or largely, but he has been part of two very big astrobiological conferences lately, one held by the Vatican, and then one held by the Royal Academy of Sciences. Why do you think that's happening

all of a sudden they're talking about extrasturals. I think. Remember they're not talking about UFOs and Davy's ranks. We should be looking for microbial life and stuff like that. As a matter of fact, I've done a column I guess it hasn't been published yet about the Royal Society meeting and there are a lot of stupid things said, Uh well, I'm serious. Yeah, they presume there's nobody coming here. The British astronomer Royal in a long history of

silly things from those guys, remember one said space travelers utter bilge. That was a year before Spot Minkley and so forth. The current one says, oh, well there's nobody coming here. People think that there are, but you know they got lost in Roswell and blah blah blah, a whole bunch of stupid stuff, similar to the SETI responses, Oh yeah, very similar.

I mean, and some of those people don't believe in looking for radio signals, but let's look for life that has arsenic in it, because it's very similar to phosphorus and so if we find life with arsenic it's not from here. I mean, you know, I see no evil, hear no evil. What's that old thing about the monkeys? You know, I wish I could hear I'll be traveling Davy's program because well, there's an art on the current issue of Astronomy magazine the same kind of business about SETI and stuff.

Hey, I'm not a professor. I can get away with telling the truth. I don't just stick by a party law, right, So yeah, well you'll be able to listen to the archive. But what I think is interesting is they're talking about, I mean, the philosophical issues that the church has would be with intelligent life out there? Yes, of course, and you know, did Jesus die to save us? All the obvious question. But there are other religions who say that there's life all over the place.

And the Moslims do, the Hindus do the Buddhists? Do? You know? Now, I'd admit pat Robertson says there ain't no intelligent life anywhere except here on Earth. What an insult to the notion of an all powerful God that he thinks this is the best she can do. I mean, they've got some more. Got to go back to the drawing board on that

one. Well, let me give you another reason for the cover up, And it's just that that the fundamentalists have claimed that, and they were very powerful at one time politically, that we're the only life and intelligent life in the universe, and all this UFO stuffice the work of the devil, and they'd be up to creak without a religious battle. But let me give you one that some people find disturbing. I have seven times heard quietly of cases

where planes went up to chase a UFO and never came back. And there's a book out by Frank Fashino called Shoot Them Down, which records I wrote the forward for it so I can talk about it, that there was an order given by the military in nineteen fifty two shoot down UFOs if they don't lend when instructed to do so. And he also documents two hundred fatal military crashes military plane crashes between fifty one and fifty six, and five of the

pilots had over one hundred missions in Korea. These weren't neophytes, in other words, and there were MiGs over there, and presumably there weren't new makes here, and the government doesn't like to tell people, Oh, your son was killed in flying to avoid a saucer or for trying to attack a saucer, you know. And that's where there have been many things kept secret. There's a whole chapter in flung sauscers and science. We don't talk about it

too much. You know. There's a new book coming out in June, Science was Wrong, And that's what we've been talking about here, right, And we're getting to the point that there'll have to be a Science Was Wrong Volume two. Right, Yeah, that's that. They'll be an endless volume. But you know, we've were renting out of time. But one thing I do want to ask you is, like you said, you've done lectures at a lot of universities. Do you see people's perceptions of this whole subject

changing over time? Has it changed? I haven't seen a lot of that. I've over seven hundred lectures. I've only had eleven hecklers, and two of them were drunk, and I come on very strong, So I have found people will be receptive. The big problem is people are afraid that other people will think they're nuts if they go on the s side of the UFO vote these days, I think feel that way. Well, yeah, I've talked to a class of one hundred students. Eighty percent thought most people didn't

believe any UFO Israelian spacecrafting, yet eighty percent of that group did. So your actions are determined by your perception, right or wrong, of how other people will respond. And so yeah, you get more hecklers than that if you talk about sports, or religion or politics. I'm told anyway, Yeah, especially with politics. Yeah, well, if people feel very strongly about that these days, that's for sure. There are a lot of questions about

flying sauces. There have been some college courses taught. There have been about a dozen PhD DC's done. Those are listed in Top Secret Magic, my book about the Majestic twelve documents. There's a lot of information out there. It's not just tabloid stuff, which is what surprises some people. They think that's all there is, you know, tabloid anecdotes. I love when they say there's only anecdotal information. You got to study at thirty two hundred sightings,

but it's just just anecdotes, you know. That's ridiculous. Well, and that's getting to you call them the nasty nay saying negativists. But the debunkers out there, and you touched on this before, it seems they refuse to actually do the research to look in depth in any of these cases, even when they're coming on Larry King to debate you about it. Well, there are four basic rules, and boy Bill and I the science guy, follows them religiously. Don't bother me with the facts. My mind's made up.

But the public doesn't know. I'm not going to tell them. They can't attack the data, attack the people. It's easier, and do your research by proclamation. Investigation is much too much trouble. Well, that's a great I think note to end on with the noisy negatives there. We're pretty much out of time, but thank you so much for being on the show. As you usually you're just incredibly informative and a lot of fun to listen

to. Remember too, you had mentioned at once, but I want to mention again you can go to Stanton Friedman dot com to get all of those books you had written that you've referred to, and there's many more books that you didn't get to talk about that you've written as well, so well in their articles too. Yeah, in fact, lots of facts, So thank you very much for being on the show. I want to tell the listeners about next week, where we have doctor Paul Davies on. He's a British

born theoretical physicist, cosmologist, astrobiologists and best selling author. Mostly a philosopher around extraterrestrials, although as we talked about here today, he doesn't believe they're coming here, so we'll ask him about that and see if we can challenge him a bit there. But he is talking about extraterrestrials and astrobiology a lot, and he has been in major news all over the place in the last couple of weeks because of this, so it's going to be a great show

next week. Be sure to join us. Thank you thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio where we're bringing the UFO subject into the light of day. Have a wonderful week. We'll see you next Friday. The pleasure I keep forgetting the smellsome much