Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Thank you, mister Bob Dean, that gentlemen who will be speaking at the UFO Congress, which we are frantically putting together now that it's the last minute and it will start in like two days. Actually tomorrow will be the beginning of the film festival where we'll watch some films and
judge them. And the craziness though, has already started for us here at open Minds as we put on the largest UFO conference in the known universe. Of course, all we know of the universe is our little planet be a kajillion people meeting in Zebta Reticuli right now for a UFO conference, But we are unaware of that, or at least have no evidence to prove that such a conference exists. But we do know the UFO conference exists, and in
fact you can go there to prove it. We have a wonderful, magnificent, brilliant show today. It's going to be a lot of fun. We have on Stan Romanic and I think you've heard of this gentleman, because we've talked to him about or about him. We've talked to him and about him on the show many times before. He is the author of the book Messages, which chronicles his life as an abductee. Romanequs experiences began with the video
recording of some incredible mass UFO sightings. Although he was a skeptic at the time, he began having strange dreams and physiological effects such as and you may have heard of this, and if you're an abductee, you've seen it first firsthand. But you know the scoop marks that abductees get sometimes say, fluoresce under luminescence, and he's had lots of that fluorescing, which I've seen firsthand
with my own eyes. So all of this has led him to believe he is most likely dealing with extra terrestrials, and we'll be talking about that. And a lot of strange experiences have continued. It's actually kind of slowed down a little bit, but it kind of comes in peaks and valleys, but it's gotten very strange, and we will talk about that and the second book that he is planning right now. So that's a lot of fun, and I forgot I'm supposed to be trying to use my English accent, and I
actually have a story behind this accent. See, it's harder to do when you're not having like an English gas like Nick Pope or Rosshamsurce, because then you can hear their force and you can try to colpy what they're saying, or if you watch Harry Potter maybe after that you can do I've never been that good at it, I don't think. But we have an English gentleman who likes it when I do my impression, so I wanted to do that for him and thank him for his kind words and for listening to the show.
Actually, when I started radio, because I was so dang embarrassed about doing radio, I was real shy about it. I started as Jonathan Smithe the weather Man, full of the News, and so I do the weather at their college news station as Jonathan Smythe and I remember the news lady was asked, who's that Australian guy you have on your show? But it wasn't in Australian, it was me, And now I feel like the Wallaby.
What was that? Rock O the Wolloby. Also related to the UFO Congress is a spectacular sponsor that we have and they're giving away an incredible prize. And I talked about this a little bit, but I wanted to mention them again because we're so happy about their participation in patient in the Congress. And that is the UFO Tour Group Top Secret Tours. They go through Arizona, New Mexico, visiting space places where there are UFO kind of events and things
going on or have in the past. And the prize that they're giving away at the conference is a fourteen day all inclusive tour where you get to go to Los Alamos White Sands, the place where they blew up the first atomic bomb. You get to go to Roswell, New Mexico, where there's this little UFO crash. You get to go visit the meteor crater. You get to go to Sedona and the Grand Canyon, and so a lot of wonderful,
mysterious places. So that will be a lot of fun. So we're kind of delirious at this point with all the work we've done and the late nights and kind of the tedious envelope filling and badge printing, and I hope we didn't get really cheap envelope. Yes, I just saw the episode of Seinfeld where George's fiance passed away from licking the cheap envelopes. But now we
don't do anything cheap around here. And if you go to the Congress, you're gonna be blown away via our incredible posters and signs and videos and just a lot of cool, upscale stuff that people are not usually used to. You can still get in, you know, come to the door would be the best way. But twenty thirty two to twenty seventh at the Radison Fort McDowell. Of course, we've talked about that, you know, come join us, check out some speakers. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Stand Romanick is going to be there, so we'll talk about that. But before we get to that, let us bring on another incredible person who you will be able to meet at the Congress, and that is our news correspondent and he shares some of the latest news with us every week. Welcome Jason
McClellan. Hey, Hey, greetings everyone. This is your Open Minds News Brief for Monday, February twenty first two, thy eleven NASA just unveiled designs for a reusable man deep spacecraft that they are calling Nautilus X. And I wonder how long these guys took huddled in a room trying to come up with a way to use that name, right, because it's kind of it's silly. I like it, but it's a little forest. It seems that Nautilus
X stands for non atmospheric Universal Transport intended for lengthy United States exploration. Well, you know, maybe it's because it's Star Trek. But they seem really pressed to come up with great names for their different projects. Because they you know, these names, you can tell they've tried to come up with something catchy and everything, probably for marketing purposes, And here they've done it again,
Nautilus X. I'd probably do the same thing. I like the name nottlest X. The craft would be assembled from bandable structures like the inflatable habitats being developed by bige Low Aerospace. The design of the craft will allow it to be modified based on mission specific needs. For example, engines and fuel will be able to be swapped out depending on the destination of each mission. Construction is projected to take at least five years and would cost approximately three point
seven billion dollars. And I know that NASA and Bigelow have been in talks about working together, and I'm not sure if this is specifically working with big Low, though they do mention that the expandable structures would be like those that Bigelow is developing well, and they can take a queue. Three point seven billion dollars is nothing, nothing charge for a ride. Oh yeah, they can have that money in a heartbeat if they charge a million bucks to seat
and boom, they got it. We're on the Nautilus again. Super exciting that we're in a day and age where we're actually talking about spacecraft that we may see. What they need to do is they need to partner up with Virgin Galactic or space x in one of these other companies and have them sell
tickets or tell rides and have this be one of their destinations. You can stop and visit the very nautilus X Oh man, I'm there and see this is a great, great idea for you know, we talked last week and weeks before about about you know, bases on the moon and things like that. To have a place from which you can launch further into space, just like Star Trek. You know, if you see them, they're building the enterprise in space, building this thing in space, then you don't have to
worry about it. And this Nautilus X is for deep space missions and my thought thinking Star Trek is deep space nine. You know, they even got this thing out in deep space where the ships go refuel and then head right further. How exciting They're on their way. We're on our way. We're on our ways at a reticulus. We're coming to abduct you. You're crazy. Actually, I just want to say hi, I am not like a violent type. I know. Don't try to well fool people there. Extraterrestrials
from several different planets crash landed at a school in England recently. At least that's what the students at Bishop King Primary School were told. The incident is yet another instance a teachers at a UK school fabricating a UFO crash on school grounds to encourage creative writing and imaginative thinking among students. Local police participated in the event, performing a mock investigation and making themselves available to answer students' questions.
Students were required to document the wreckage and interview police and staff members. Part of the simulation included performing arts students stressed as extraterrestrial beings. Students were required to interact with these beings, and they did so by showing the visitors around school and attempting to teach them reading and writing. See, that's what
it teas. That's why they should land and not be so mysterious. If they land at a school, they'll have these very nice students to walk them around the school that they can talk with and have lunch with, and then they can go home. Why don't they do that? On this particular event, it looked like they were having a good time. The kids were happy to show them around. They were sitting in the cafeteria having lunch with them. Yeah, that'd be fun. Instead they're playing around being all mysterious.
But you know, we've talked about these stories, you know, for the past year. Different several examples of this, I think, all in the UK and in England, but schools. I don't know if all these teachers went to the same conference or something they said do this for your creative writing.
But I find it fascinating that not only are they wanting the kids to write about this, experience, but they're also sort of walking them through the investigation process, having them, you know, work with police and witnesses. And yeah, it's cool and it's very open, of course to the idea of I'm wondering these real reason behind it. Yeah, it could be just that, you know, and I keep throwing out those numbers, but all
the Poles say, and especially they're even higher. I think in the UK we've seen some polls where people really believe in UFOs, even though a lot of people are afraid to talk about it. They believe that we're experiencing extraterrestrial visitation. So I think probably a lot of these teachers are open to the idea and then introduce that into their curriculum, at least in a way that is acceptable to people. Get the idea started and get kids ready. Yeah,
now their students will be more prepared, that's right. So, in a somewhat related story, when we make contact, how will we communicate with extraterrestrial life? You know, you see on TV and in movies all of the extraterrestrial beings conveniently speak English. Yeah, but who knows if that will actually be the case. And Americans get really mad when people come to our country and don't speak English. That's right. We are not going to learn
your language, learn ours. We're lazy. Yeah, Well, researchers in Florida are practicing on dolphins. Dolphins have large, sophisticated brains, and a recent article and Wired magazine point that pointed out they have complex social structures, form alliances, share duties, and display personalities. The researchers in Florida created an open ended framework for communication using sounds, symbols, and props to interact
with the dolphins, with the goal of establishing a shared primitive language. According to the lead researcher, the study is the first of its kind because nobody has tried to establish two way communication in the wild. Lawrence Doyle the SETI Institute recently commented, we've been waiting for contact for years, but we're not ready. We can't even speak to intelligent animals on Earth. And that's a really good point. Yeah, I love that study. I think it's a
really smart way to go. It's worthwhile, and of course I'm an animal lover, but it's cool to see. You know, we've been able to do sign language with different primates, which is extraordinary. So who knows what the possibilities are. I think it's a great place to start. I mean, I think in our search for extraterrestrial intelligence that kind of gets overlooked.
We think when they come here, that's great. Then we wonder what they're going to be like all list but the communication thing is something that not a lot of people think of. First, how are we going to communicate? Of course, many of our listeners feel that we're already being visited, But what if we do become space faring and then we come across more primitive cultures,
how will we then try to communicate with them? Right? And a lot of the contact right now, you hear people saying they talk about telepathic communication and things like that, but what about people who don't maybe have to do that, aren't capable mentally, or you know, we have no idea how it works, so just a general communication. You know those times to where you turn around and I'm across down the hall staring at the back of
your head intently. It kind of creeps you out. I'm trying to telepathically communicate and it hasn't worked yet. Oh, I hear everything you're saying. I really, yes, it's great. I think I found that's the best way to deal with you, Alejandro. Maybe that's what everybody else is doing. It's possible when I'm at the mall and people turn around look at me funny because I'm staring at him intently trying to telepathically communicate, and they run
call security and I gotta leave. I think people hear exactly what you're saying. People are afraid of you ignoring me. That's okay. They'll get to know you someday, Alejandro. Yeah, you know the news. The artwork of a New Jersey resident was displayed last week at a Jersey City art gallery. The artist David Huggins didn't just display his artwork, but also shared his
stories behind the paintings, stories of personal alien abduction experiences. Huggins claims that extraterrestrial beings began interacting with him at the young age of eight years old, and contact has continued throughout his life. In his painting titled The Packaged Gray, a gray alien woman is depicted holding an alien human hybrid baby inside a container. According to Huggins, this baby is just one of more than sixty
hybrid children he fathered with. The depicted alien woman The artist draws upon his training from the Art Student League and Hunter College in New York City to share his experiences with the world. His art show was called UFO Abductee Experiences Exhibition.
I think that this is it's cool in the way that someone who quite possibly could have been having these experiences expressing it in a protective way and probably helping him emotionally spinning for our guest today who feels he's got similar experiences happening. But I gotta say I like his art for the patrol of what's going on. But he could take an art class or two. We did. Oh well, he went to school for this, But yes, I think
he could more. School couldn't hurt, but I guess I would. Any art that I think I can do is probably really not the greatest, because I know I'm a terrible artist. I believe I have some of your art on my desk right now, my attempt at art. I have it framed. Well, maybe it's not as bad as I think. Then, huh, it's worth something to me. Well, I'm sorry, mister Clegg, yourself or Higgins. Maybe we are artists. I didn't realize it. Everyone's
an artist. Lejandro in news about Gary McKinnon. Janis sharp. His mother is demanding to meet with Deputy Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg. Sharpe told William Hatzel Times I've written to him at his constituency and at Parliament to ask for a meeting with him. Sharpe wants to urge Clegg to honor the pledge he made before his election to stop McKinnon's extradition to the US. According to Wellwhen had Full Times, one of Clegg's representatives stated, I can confirm the Deputy
Prime Minister has received the letter and will respond in due course. McKinnon, of course, is wanted by the US for hacking into Pentagon and NaSTA computers
searching for evidence of UFOs more than a decade ago. Yeah. What I think is interesting is really right now it seems to be because I wrote the story on it recently for our upcoming magazine, is that they're afraid to tell America no, we're or declined we're not going to send him over because America is adamant about taking it, you know, taking McKinnon, and that seems to be the issue. They're not willing to say no, And I wonder
what would happen if they did. I don't know sure that's what they're discussing, because they are reviewing their extradition policy in well, another deblying just passed because they were supposed to make a determined nation. The Home Secretary just this last I think last month, because she had a year. So there's total
silence over this case. And while for a year she reviewed it yet again, and they were supposed to make another decision here, but they haven't, And I think they're probably worried about saying no. I don't think anything would happen if they did. But yeah, it's not like we had send stealth bombers out to England or anything. Well, or sometimes jerks, we might. But but perhaps the biggest news, not perhaps definitely the biggest news of
the week is the International UFO Congress. What about Jeff Peckman. What about Jeff Pechman? Did we talk about that last day? We talked about that last week? Oh yeah, I get confused. I like Jeff. But the National UFO Congress is bigger news. That's big news. There are tons of speakers we have lined up, fantastic speakers. Listen to all of these people who are going to be there a Lejandro Rainbow Eagle. Yes, AJ say his last name for me, Jevalar, Jevalar? Who told you that's
how he says his name? Antonio? He chastised you. No, I I I've heard people say it too, but of course Antonio knows thirty two languages so he could say it better. But right, I've always called him Gavard to his face. I know he's very nice. It doesn't correct me until I met with the you know, our international ufologists. Well, AJ will certainly be there, John Alexander, Michael Schratt, Carol Rosen, Robert
Dean, Lloyd Pye, Kathleen Martin. Our guest today, Stan Romaneck, George Feiler, Richard Dolan, David Serrita, Daniel Sheehan, Nancy Talbot, Linda Moulton Howe with James Penn, James Kenniston and John Burrows, Jim Mars, Stanton Friedman, Travis Walton, Paul Hellier, Leslie Kine, Charles Halt, Don Schmidt, Francis Barwood, Nick Pope, Antonio Juneus and we also have experiencer sessions with Barbara Lamb, The SkyWatch with Jeff Willis, The Cocktail
Party, with live jazz, a pool party with live music and a room full of wonderful vendors. And you got our musicians for the pole party. And I love the name of the band, Alejandro's Friends. Yep, my buddies, that's the name of the band. Oh no, that's not the name of Oh they'll probably change it soon, but probably. Oh. The name of the band is Captain Squeegee. Yep. And they are thrilled to play, and they plan to have projectors set up and they'll be showing some
interesting UFO footage as they play. Cool. So it should be a good time as long as the weather holds out for us. Yep, this is going to be great. And you know one guy I haven't had on the show which people are really interested in seeing is Lloyd Pie. I mean, we got a lotter requests. You got to have Lloyd Pie at the conference,
so we are. And he has, if people aren't familiar with him, this skull that he's been researching and it's a very strange shape and he's researching the DNA and he believes that he may be onto demonstrating that it has more than human DNA and he might be able to prove that he's got the skull of a human extraterrestrial hybrid. I'm excited to see White play yeah in
a scientific way. Well, I'm very excited for that. I am very excited for everything at the Congress. This is going to be an extremely exciting event. And Alejandro and I might be there for a little bit, yep, I might pass by. Yeah, We'll be slaving away, slaving the whole time. And I'm excited to see because we've got so many great submissions at the film festival, who's gonna win, Because it's gonna be a lot of fun to give away the They've been sitting here in the office for a
while. Our EBE awards, the eves are really cool. I want one, but I'm ineligible. You could quit and then make a film. I could, and I'm tempted to because these things are so cool. So they're very cool. And I'm also then excited too about the other awards, yes, or other researcher awards. Those are fantastic. Got the new addition to the Congress this year, So our Saturday night banquet and awards ceremony is gonna be a pretty excellent night. And the conference is gonna start off with a
bang. This is really cool because I was gonna do a year in review, you know, to start off the conference, and I decided to get with Tom Ruff and our video producer to put it on video because there's so much you want to know. On video, you can go through it quicker and more ex and he put together an incredible, like fifteen minute little less than fifteen minute video with all the news that's happened in the last year. And it's amazing to see how much has happened. Well, you've shared it
with us over the last year. I'm really excited about that. Well, that is a is a bang, A good way to start it off. I thought you were talking about a confetti gun or no. No, Well I'm a little letdown, but I'm still excited to see the video. Well, this is going to be better than the confetti gun. Buddy, excellent. Well, everyone, that is it for the news. You remember to check out these stories and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO
related news. I am Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you Alejandro. Thank you, Jason, and just to let you all know. Of course, we've been pretty busy with this pretty pretty pretty busy with this conference, so we don't have a whole lot of feature articles up, but we do have some cool stuff, and of
course jas And puts up daily news articles. So about everything we talked about here, you can find out a lot more information and also more information about Jeff Peppin and his bid for mayor of Denver and his whole campaign, which looks kind of cool. So he's got a lot of stuff going on there, so that's going to be a lot of fun. But of course, as Jason said, the Congress is the big focus for us right now,
since we have little time to do a whole lot. Another story too that I think is interesting and what we're seeing more is there is an article from Science and Religion that we posted today, and they're posting more and more articles kind of about extraterrestrials and belief in that sort of things. And in this article they actually spoke specifically on paranormal beliefs and why some beliefs are more attractive to males while other two females, which is kind of interesting as a paranormal
researcher. There's no doubt that females always seem to be more interested in ghosty type stuff and ghost research and then ets and why at least UFO especially stuff is more kind of male oriented. So it's always kind of been known that there's I've heard certain guys that get into ghost hunting just to meet girls, and that's probably what I should have done, but instead I've gone into et hunting and that's been a lot of fun, but I have not met the
girl of my dreams in et hunting at this point. Other type of things going on. This is kind of funny because we saw these guys doing this. But ABC wrote about this documentary and I might have talked about it kind
of a debunking documentary, and it's worked. It was centered around this guy named Leroy Tessina who was a paranormal researcher type of guy, and they followed him around and the producers of this thing were skeptic, and we did see him these guys in Roswell and I think they interviewed Maureen even but luckily or
hopefully she didn't make it into the show. Because it turns out, just like kind of we suspected, it was a total debunking thing, and it was if you read what this guy has to say, it is unfortunate because really they didn't get into any real research. But the thing's called God Bless America, but they spelled god ga WD And I just wanted to warn you so that if you run across this documentary when you're looking for something paranormal documentary
to watch, that that is one to steer clear of. Not cool, not cool at all. So that's some of what's been going on with why we haven't gotten some stories up. But I think I told you guys all about last week. Also some Costa Rica stories that Antonio had written, since he's kind of our South American specialist, and some of the pictures and stuff that he wrote in his story. It's pretty cool because he was able to, you know, go find some information that has been written about in Spanish
but never in English before, and then translate that. So there are some cases such as a case with some police officers who had a sighting and the picture that they drew and the report that they had submitted, and that is all on here, and it's really, as far as we know, I think the first time that these cases have been seen in the English speaking world, otherwise they've been kind of around. The Spanish speaking community has been aware
of these, so it's kind of cool. We also posted some of the pictures from the newspapers that were posted and you can see that, and they have some cool graphics and then some of the actual people in places that these events took place. So that's a cool story to check out. But without further ado, let's go ahead and bring on our guest, the one and only Stan Romanek. Are you there, Hello, Stan, Yeah hear me. Yeah, I can he hear me. I can hear you. Can
you see me? Because I can't see you you can't see me? Well, I'm not sure the video part, where we're just for the listeners, We're going to try to get some video on here so you'll be able to see Stan if you look on the uh, if you're watching on the video at Open Minds. But we're just testing that so it may just be audio, and at least for now it'll be audio. I don't know if we'll be able to get you to be able to see me, Stan, But
I'm really not doing anything that interesting, just sitting here talking. I thought you there for a minute, then he disappeared. Oh really yeah. Cool. Well they'll work on it. Hopefully they'll get that so you'll be able to see me. So how you doing. They're good, getting ready for this big conference up there where you guys are. Yeah, should be really exciting. I mean, we have a lot of people signed up, a lot of vendors. We're really excited about it. We should have a lot
of people. And you have some surprises. I do. So you got your new book coming out and that's what you're going to talk about. Huh. Yeah. I've got actually two books coming out. I've got my second book, which is going to be messages I mean, excuse me answers, and man, I've got the Oriyan regressions, the famous regressions that I've talked about briefly that they're going to be put in transcripts and release to the public.
You know, I think that will blow everybody's minds. Cool. And these were the regressions that were done by doctor Leo Sprinkle, Yes, exactly. Yeah, so I can tell the audience that I certainly was. I was there for some of them, and the information, like you said, was pretty incredible. I thought it was. It was just not only that just some of the things that happened, the physical stuff that happened, especially in the last regression I did. It's pretty impressive actually, and I'm going
to show about stuff at the conference. I think people will be pretty fascinated by it. Cool. So and that's something to get into. Well, let's let's back up just a little bit, do a little bit of talking about your situation for those who might not know much about you. Like I said earlier, this whole thing started when you filmed some UFO videos, some pretty impressive masks UFO signings. Yes. Well, I met my wife online, as you know, in around Deceummer twenty seven, two thousand. She
lived in Nebraska. I lived in Colorado, and I wanted to commend entice her to come visit me. So I thought i'd send her a care pack because I was going to video take the surrounding area about the rocky video take that. And it was a beautiful summer afternoon, actually it was right about
noon, I mean not summer winter afternoon. And you know, I went the back roads up to the mountains and I noticed some people had pulled off to the side of the road, and must have been thirty forty cards or so, and they were looking south above some pewer lines that rocked my left and I looked up to see what they were looking at. I thought first of some kind of strange hot air balloon. Then as they got closer, I realized it was actually a solid object. And when I got even closer,
it just it was a UFO. And I didn't believe in this stuff. And I had my video camera with me, luckily, and because atays got believing unless i'd get some footage of this thing. So that's how it all started, yep and so and then since then you got more video, and then of course then had physical effects, and with you you remembered things that had happened to you or interactions prior to being regressed. I you know, it not like if people watch television a lot, they'll see these news
programs and they always have the same people say the same thing. It's sleep paralysis. But you know that doesn't account for like Travis walden Abody in Barney Hill or myself. I was awake with my first abduction experience, I remembered everything. And I also you know, as a child, Yeah, I had stuff happened, but I didn't really think about it until my first UFO side. You know, I started putting pieces together. It's like, oh
wow, that that I guess that really happened. So, you know, I remember most everything, you know, which is not very typical of what you hear about abduction scene areas, so apparently are different, right. And then to kind of set the stage for this piece, you later underwent regressions and the information that came out was, you know, I felt certainly different than what you normally say or do. But with you when you do this regressions like with doctor Sprinkle, youth, what is what is it like for
you? Well, with normal regressions and with the ones was doctor Sprinkle, those were not normal, as you won't know, and I'll talk about that more detail at their conference. When you go under a regression, it's not like you know, people can it's not like what you see on TV. They can't control your mind. They can't make you, you know, unless you want to buck like a chicken. It's like it's almost like you're in a deep daydream. Basically, that's kind of to me what it feels like.
It's set and I'll set this up a little bit better. I was being regressed in the beginning by a person named Gavera Lemon is very you know, very accomplished typnotherapist, and there was the last time I was regressed by her. Something happened, and it's scared. Both Deborah and Lisa was there, and I honestly didn't remember a thing, which is typically not how regressions
worked. Usually you can remember most everything. Something happened. My mannerism has changed, my voice changed, And it was just for a minute or two, but it was enough to scare Devora Linnenmann to the point where she just brought me right out of regression. She didn't know how to deal with it. Well, I stumbled down to doctor Leo Sprinkle, who's you know, everybody knows and if you don't know, this man is incredible. He's famous,
he's very renowned hypnotherapist, University of Wyoming psychologist. The guy is good if ye as I mean, it's just a sweetheart too. Well we we got hooked up with doctor Leo Sprinkle and yeah, by you actually that's right, thank you, ole hon do I gotta tell you I learn Yeah, he is a sweet guy, and yeah, you got it sipped up for sure. And so he did a regression and something happened again. This time
he just let it happen. And honestly, I thought I was under for about ten minutes, and when I came out of it with no memory, I was under for a few hours and something happened. And I don't want to ruin the punchline and give you the punchline because I want to talk about it at the conference, but it was trust me, it was astonishing. Oh you've been there. You know what I think is funny is well well, and you know, of course a lot of people take this subject and
abductions very serious, and I understand that. But of course one way that your family is able to deal with it and those of us close to you, is of course by adding some humor to it. So you have to. You know, people always asking me, well, how do you deal with this stuff? You make fun of it, you laugh at it. You have to, because that's all really the only way you stay sane.
I mean, all the things we've experienced, we name them. You know, everybody that's involved in my case, and you know, you know, one of the top researchers involved in my case. While you want to tell you Arizona. But you know, they become family, you know, they That's another thing that makes my case so different when people need to understand is most of the stuff that seems to happen, especially lately, only seems to happen when there's people around, so you know, they gets involved, gets
to experience off. Yeah. Well, and that's one important thing I think a unique aspect to your case, which I think is important to it. And you know a lot of what I used to do when involved with your case. I used to tell people who were my friends or who were associates, who were investigators to go out and to meet with you and your family,
because you guys are very open to having people come out. And of course then people such as Chatsukowski or some other people did go out there and hang out with you, and of course then they, along with me and others, experienced some of this stuff along with you and your family. Exactly know it continues even to this day, you know Scotten, so you know it's it happened so much anymore that would become kind of blossly about it,
and I think that sometimes puts people off. For example, we have some investigators over oh last year, and there was a big event that happened and it freaks them out. I mean it really upset them. I thinks, all, what can you do? Ye? And I guess just to explain to people, I mean even something as simple as as simple because yeah, you know, I'm even blase about somethings such as UFO sidings. Of course that's exciting. There some people who haven't had sightings who would like to have
sightings. I was that way for a long time until I began to have my own sightings. And now I've had sightings, including sightings around you all, and a lot of people have sightings around you and your family, and that's something where yeah, a lot of people get the help people react even to something like that is sometimes they're fearful, sometimes they're excited, and sometimes they don't understand when people are blase about those kind of things well, and
sometimes they don't believe it and thinks you're yank in their chain. And you know, as you know, this is a tough to be end because there's so many people. And I've realized now you know, I was a skeptic. Why is a skeptic such a skeptic? And I can tell you, it's mostly because of fear, because they don't you know, they live in this little bubble and if anything upsets that little bubble, it freaks them out.
And that's what happened to me. So understand, you know, there have been some really mean people saying really new thing, but I have to understand that they're probably terrified to know that this is real. But guess what, you and I both know that absolutely, one hundred percent this is real. How can it not be? Well? And that's a good question.
I think that could be something that could be helpful to others too, is how you deal with the fear because I know, being even when you asked me to be part of the case at the beginning and I was able to come out after an event, the fear that you all experience and you personally have towards all of this. At the beginning, you were certainly fearful. Do you think that fear has tapered off or are you still pretty absolutely? And I remember the first time you came out, how you could fall asleep.
You were so scared. So yeah, so that's you know, that's that's what happened. But I'm sharing that, Yeah, you were lost out there. So see, that's because you know you're shooting, and that's part of being human. People are what they don't understand. But when they understand it and they realize it's not going to hurt them, and they realize it's been around for thousands and millions of years, maybe it's just a part of
who we are. You know. They have to start getting used to think you're changing, think they're shifting, and if they don't catch up soon, they're gonna be left behind. Well, who, how did you deal with that though? How did you move from that state of more fearful to less fearful? What are were some of the milestones or people or places or things that helped you along the way. Well, honestly, I lucked out with my wife because my wife believes in this stuff than I do. And it
really it took me a few years to come to terms with it. But after it happened over and over again and there were so many witnesses, it's like, well, so it's real, Now what do I do? And then you just work it through and honestly make fun of it, laugh about it, understand that it's probably a natural part of this existence. Whatever this existence is and try to learn from it, because when you learn then it's
not a mystery, then it's not scary. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely felt like when I first met you and just to talk to Lisa, who you're referring to as your wife, and she is just an amazing person. Just it's such a grounded and stable person who, yeah, brings humor and is a very motherly type of person. And I think anybody who knows you for a while thinks that, wow, Stan probably would have gone raving mad if it wasn't for a last to be there to help him out. So
right, thank goodness you had her. But what would you advise to people who feel they're going through abduction experiences how to deal with the situation seek other people who are going through the experiences. I don't know for most people, but for me it helped me to find out what I wasn't feeling they were because there's an element of loneliness to this. One of the things about being and I don't like to say abductions, there are various types of experiences.
Some people are truly abductive, it's very scary, very terrifying, and some people have what I call contact I've had both, and looking back, if like, you know, at least a couple of them I think might have even been military, because it was about just trying to scare the heck out of me. If I look back, and you know, some of the other ones seemed very polite. They didn't want to hurt me. They went
into trying to make me look paid. You know, you know, seek out people who are having experiences and talk to them and try to get involved with no local real organizations. Leah Sprinkle and and Debora Lindeman, do you recommend or did you find any pitfalls when it comes to working with therapists that are open to this and help people with it. Well, you know,
things are definitely changing. I when I when this first happened, I honestly thought it easier for me to be start writing mad than to deal with the reality that this agree. And I tried to make it. I tried to while I basically tried to find out if I was crazy, and they kept saying, no, no, you're not, you have some post traumatic stress
that sort of that that's about it. So really the best thing to do is try to fight somebody within the field itself, because if you go off to your local psychologists and say, look, I'm being abducted by aliens. That's going to freak them out because they're only human also and they don't want their reality bubble verst so they might say, Okay, well this got is psychotic or whatever, when the reality is you really are having experiences. Unfortunately,
there are some especially in the UFO fields. Even I don't know this all your hongo, there's some necases out there, and there's some people that just want attention. I don't understand it, but I've met a few of them. So you know, if you are truly having experiences, trying to seek somebody out within the field to help you deal with it, because if he's outside of the field, then you'll get rid of uled even by you
are professionals. Now, have there been time now that I know you are hesitant and you've been careful to not mention your experiences with things like doctors because you've had some of these physical effects that we've talked about. And sure, like you've said, people are human and they get worried. But are there situations have you been surprised at times when there have been people that have been
open to your experience. Yeah, oh yeah, my doctor. Now, I had something happen not too long ago, and my doctor finally admitted to me he knew who I was. He actually read my book, really and he was completely open to it. And I was born. I was thinking I was looking at least aliver in the doctor's office, because by the way, Stan, I know who you are. But oh no, I'm gonna have to change doctors. And honestly, he's been the biggest help. He's
helped me figure out stuff. He ain't help me to figure out if things are normal or not normal. If I have anything happened, I'm supposed to go to him right away and help, you know, try to figure it out. But I've got situations where, for instance, when I had the implant in my hip removed, and if you go to the and it was listening, if they go to the conference there, I was going to talk about this. I went to normal doctor, and you know, this was
back when I didn't really know much about implants. I thought I just had some kind of slither or something coming out of my hip. And you know, I didn't tell him what had happened prior to that. I just wanted to see what his reaction was. And honestly it was priceless, you know, because they couldn't explain what was going on. So you know, they came up with all these different things it could be, but still they never came their conclusion. Right, So I'm type of playing to do it that
way. Yeah, we'll look to him in like this situation a little closer. So in this case, you had woken up with scoop marks and on your ship, and maybe you can explain that. And then and they fluoresced, So get into that a little bit. Well, I had been abducted already once. Prior to this, I had woken up outside by a crab apple tree. Alve doors were locked from the inside, despite books well locking the inside. I could forgot how I got outside. I was buckenheck and
twenty degree whether freezing. It took me about a good twenty minutes half hours plased in good hypothermia. I'm knocking on the windows to get Lisa up to let me in. Well, when she did, we realized I had more stoepmarts on my back and I had a lump on my right hip. Well, as you know, a year or two passed, I had another experience where I woke up in some somebody else's clothing and I had free puncture marks
around that plunk in my hip. And then maybe another six months seven months later, something started coming out of that lump like it felt like a piece of glasses. It did hurt, but it's like what in the world. I kept picking at it and it won't come out. Yeah, and then I know at some point and at what point did this happen where you put a black light on it? And oh yeah. When during my abduction experiences, especially my first experience, my friend Mark said, look, you know,
I was having a nervous dart guy. I really thought I was going just beopy, and so he said, look, we need to get you know this. I know this group that might be able to help you. They might give your answers. And it ended up being locally Ability Organization and they came over and they said, well, if you've been abducted, you know, and these are truly scoop marked. Sometimes what'll happen is if you turn on a black light up glass in a black light, then he really
knows why. Well, sure enough they turned on a black light and I had scrape my knee and we shined it on the straight light. My name didn't do anything. But as soon as they got to those scoop marks or whatever they were, I went up like a Christmas tree. And I gotta tell you, it scared the heck out of me. I mean, and I've tried everything. I tried billow pads, gasoline, you a partial me or anything to try to get this stuff off, and it will come off
just after about ninety eighty away. So and then this mark on your hip, the puncture marks. I just remember, we're in a triangle shape and under the black light, they like created lines and that met in the middle. Yeah, exactly. So is really weird. Yep, yep. And the reason I mentioned that too is just because that's such a weird thing and
it's something that I have witnessed. I remember the first time I investigated, you know, an event with you, because that was new to me, first time seeing a fluorescing and of course I tried to scrub this stuff off with all kinds of different products or things, and to show that whatever was fluorescing was definitely under the skin. Yeah, and you know it would come off. So what do you do do You just deal with this. It's
like with everything, you know, you deal with this. Yeah, if if this would happened to anybody, you know, they they find a way to deal with it, just like I have. Well here's the question too. I already know, you know, because I've been around this, but I think people would ask, well, if you have this fluorescing under your skin, why don't you show a doctor or hat Why don't you get it examined? I did, in fact everything. See, that's again, that's
one thing I worked out. I have a lot of really amazing people involved in my face in proving you when you were involved, that helped me gather all this evidence. And I have boxing reams of it, you know, and it's been said to you know, these various scientists and researchers and stuff.
Well, you know there's some of the stuff I've gotten back. Are you know, proteins that they can't identify, you know, things that resemble chemicals that are used for the vitual fertilization, you know, all kinds of this crazy stuff. Well, of course, at times, and one of the reasons I bring up with fluorescing is that at least while we're with that,
the fluorescing doesn't last too long. And unfortunately at that time we didn't have anybody who was willing or knowledgeable enough to take any samples, and of course I would mean a biopsy and some pretty uh specialized type of experiments. Yeah, some of the stuff. You can't catch everything, but you know, we've captured so much. Oh yeah, I mean really, yeah, I mean the amount of evidence is astounding. So let's tell the people the
next part of the story. You were getting there before I interrupted with the fluorescing stuff, but yeah, the implant or the thing in the middle of the puncture ones was starting to come out, So you wanted to get that taken care of, right, Yeah, exactly. I could get it out, and I thought, well, you know, I'm gonna go to the
doctor. Went to the doctor. They could figure it out. They x rayed because they couldn't forgot why it wasn't coming out, and they said, well, it doesn't We can see it on the x ray, but it doesn't look like glass, it doesn't look like you know, metal, It doesn't look because it doesn't have a very strong return on the x ray. It has enough of one that you could see it though, And they said, oh, leave alone. You know, it's probably just a fatty deposit.
And you know, I got up sense like, look it's coming out. So I was messing with it, messing with it, and finally, you know, we got the darn thing up. The doctor and I got the darn thing out. And when we did, it was it had it like white spuds all over it, you know, like like a the pizza bread or something. And once that white fuzz hit the oxygen or hit the
air, it started liquifying and molping away. It's the weirdest thing. And I remember the doctor put it down those you know, those big magnifying glasses in the office. He put it under one of those. It's like, wow, that's the weirdest thing I ever saw. Put it in the test tube, and he gave it to me to send out to the researchers. How did he react? How did he react when, of course, when you started, when he said he wouldn't take it out, and you did
your own thing. Yeah, he was he goes no, no, no, no, And then you know, by the time he got there, you know, it was already done. And what's weird is when it came out of my leg. When we got it out, of my leg get created like a static shock that made my leg jump. So and you know when he looked at it, he was baffled. Said, I'm I can't tell you what this is. I've never seen anything like this. Yeah,
and you know he had this sus patient. Yeah. So and moving on then to because I want to talk about, you know, these physical effects and something that then I can relate to or at least talk to because I was present, you know, around for the investigation of this was your leg and just another funny doctor reaction to what had happened with you. But yeah,
maybe explain your leg situation. That was as you know, that was really an amazing thing that pretty much changed, pretty much changed everything before me. I was painting the eve of my house and I was about ten foot twelve feet up a ladder and I fell off and tore the anterior cruciate ligaments into hamstring in my right leg. I was supposed to go to surgery that next Wednesday to get that fixed. Well, Tuesday, the day before the
night before we're actually been Monday into Tuesday morning, I was abducted. And as with most of the times I'm abducted for some reason, all the power goes out and the ASTA or I when I get back, I have to go put all the breakers back on. The Lisa woke up about to two two thirty in the morning and I was making them all the power was out long clock, you know, the clock was off and everything. So she
got up. She couldn't find me anywhere when I slept down the breaker and then when she came back in and I was standing dated in the middle of the living room. Well, for whatever reason, we just went back to bed. We don't know why. We're just didn't even think about it. When Lisa woke up the next morning to go to work, she's gonna go to work for Iday. She had to get in ahere. She noticed something out in the yard and there was a circle approximately eleven twelve foot in diameter
with concentric ring that in the middle of our yard. Interesting thing about that circle, that was about six o'clock in the morning when she found it about five o'clock at night. That thing is dead, just the grass was completely then. Well she walked me up to come look at this circle. And you know, I went to bed with this cat thing or this place on from my hip all the way to my ankle, and you know, she walked me up and I want to go look at She goes, stay,
do you notice anything different? I go, yeah, there's a damn circle in my are She says, oh, do you notice anything else, like, hey, my brace my cast is missing, and oh my gosh, I can walk on my leg. There's no pain, it's not swollen anymore. There's not even any bruising. Well in the back of my leg. We knows five very deep holes or puncture marks in the back of my leg. Whatever happened that night or that morning they fixed my leg if they held
my leg. And the funny part of it was we had to explain to my doctor why I didn't need surgery in at least I recorded before conversation. Yeah, which is really funny because you know, I know, well, I guess I could see it on last year's UFO Congress because you played it there or if you're in U talk or and you just hear how surprised this guy is. Yeah, yeah, you can all play again at this conference too, because they loved that. Yeah, because he's so shocked and he's
like, you know, you need to talk to the ghostbusters. And then related to the marks on the side of your leg, because there are four marks on the side of your leg and Dave Florest and all connected and uh, he was baffled as to what those were too, because he did not believe them to be bug bikes or made from the brace. Yeah, he was. He was fully amazed because he knew that I was supposed to go
on for surgery and suddenly I didn't need it anymore. Yeah, but you know what I find fascinating, you know, and you guys came out, you were one of the first ones out to investigate this part. I found my grace on the side of the house and you know, it was completely just melted. It was like somebody hit it with a raid gun or something. Yeah, I've told this story and I think I've talked to you about it because when we found it, there was a couple of metal bars,
there was melted plastic, but there wasn't much left. And I was the one who collected that and took that back. And I remember when I talked to Nancy Talbot, who was involved at the time, explaining to her what I found. And I said, you know, Stan says, it's this brace, which is a large one that goes from his tip to his ankle, and I didn't see the brace, so I was like, I don't think he's got it right. There's not enough metal. That had to have
been a smaller brace. So I called Lisa up and I said, Lisa, stan tells me it's this brace. He's got to be wrong because this is the huge brace. And she said, no, he's right. And I was just shocked because there was nothing left of this thing. This thing was disintegrated and there's practically nothing left of this really large brace that you had. Yeah, and remember how you guys found bits and pieces out in the field and on top of the swing set, see it from a high elevation,
and it just landed in my art. Yeah. I even had to make a graph for Nancy. I'm pretty sure I sent you all that stuff. Yeah you did. I still have it. It's awesome. But it was spread all over the place, which was just really shocking. And you know, for me, of course, as an investigator, you always go through your head, okay, you know, just for my own sanity. At this point, I already knew something was going on, but thinking, okay, let's say somehow someone's trying to trick me, or stands trying to
trick me? Could he be able to you that? And just to you would have had to have in the middle of night, gone out and fried your brace in some strange way, put marks on the side of your legs, heal your leg and mark your leg in a way that they are fluorshed under the skin. That would fool a doctor. How do you tampon? How do you fix attorney acl or ante? Right? How do you do that? Come on? You know that? Yeah, And there's always going to be skeptics out there that are gonna say, well, it could have
been this. You know, I'm I'm way past the UFO one on one. I'm not going to explain myself anymore. You can either believe it or you don't have to understand why they're a skeptic. If there comes a time when it's enough is enough? Yeah, I mean, what more evidence do you want? People always say I'll believe it when UFOs come in on the White House Long, Well, guess what they try. We shot at them in the forties. There's evidence, you know, they got video, so
and what do you do? You know, sometimes it's there's nothing that can dise people yeah, yeah. The other thing with that case, well not just the circle, but well I guess with the case prior as well, and the implant. I mean I never saw the implant myself, but one of the people, of course, like I mentioned, who is involved with Nancy, and she's someone I definitely trust. But is that this physical piece, the physical evidence, and how do you deal with I guess when people
ask, you know, why you why is it different for you? Why do you have these physical the physical evidence and everything, Whereas that typically isn't a part of other people's experience. Generally it's not. But you know what, I'm really not the only person that is coming back with other is especially lately, there's a lot of things that seem to be changing about this experience
for people. You know, I don't know why me, you know, I honestly I feel like I've been chosen, you know, I mean, why else I honestly have there's a reason for this, I truly believe. I don't believe in chance. I have a message to tell people, and you know, maybe that's why. Other than that, you know, I don't have a clue. And what's interesting too, is at the joke O
confidences you always run into people that say they have the answer. And you know, you know, Alejandro, just even being involved in my case, I've been through a lot, and you've been through a lot, even being involved in this case. And I know less now than I ever did before. The more I learned, the less I know. So how can those guys possibly have the answer? There's one I'm not any closer than anybody, you know what I mean? Oh? Yeah, because I yeah, I
talk about this a lot with other researchers. Is and you know, I think you can read throughout the years different wise elders who have said the same thing. The more we learn, the more we learn we need to learn, the more we discover, we the more we learn that we have to discover. So the people who, yeah, have all the answers are usually
the biggest ones. Yeah, that with the least answers. What do you think about when you do see these people though, these people who believe they're having experiences such as yours getting messages like your book called messages and you get messages or have gotten message messages, who then believe that these are the answers
in the end all field? I mean, can you blame them? Or do you think those people are typically not really experiencers or I can't blame them, you know, And I can't judge people because I'm sure and I know there's people out there that think I'm just lacked and that's their progative. I know what I'm going through the real I can't judge people because I've gotten through some amazing, bizarre stuff. So how do I know for a fact that
they have it? Generally speaking, you can usually tell when somebody wants a pension, and sometimes you can't, but really, you know, you just have to go through gut feeling. I guess earlier you said that you have a message you have, uh, and that could be why you're chosen. Well, what is that message? That we aren't the only ones out there?
That there are other things out there, and it's time for us to understand that respect that with affect ourselves, stop playing these stupid games and grow up, because if they want to become part of the neighborhood, then we have to really we have to start evolving spiritually and understand that there's pretty waring craft. It's feeling and all this desonity, honestly, and you know, it has to stop. You know, people are bigoted just because somebody looks
different. You know, they don't like if somebody's you know, brown or black, or a different color or a different religion. How are we going to accept anything out you know that's living out in the universe and they can't even accept ourselves. And so I'm here to say, look, man, it's kind to draw up guys, because if we don't, we're going to probably perish. Do you think that soon will be the time where we will become part of this galactic neighborhood you know where I mean some people seem to
already be having experiences with absolutely. I mean, you and I both know. Just about every country in the world is opening their files, you know, except for a few of them, like the United States. The Vatican a few years ago, even you know, came out some people from the Vatican came out on Sino Belducci, and then other people backed that up. It's i mean, everything you see on TV about UFOs and aliens, everything in the movies. Now there's all these stuff and it's part of the process.
It's part of that getting the human race ready process. Because I go, there's gonna be a big events soon. I mean, everybody can. Everybody's waiting for the shoot to drop, and I honestly believe that's what's gonna happen. So and you think it will be possibly them uh even exposing themselves greater than they have. Oh yeah, they're already doing it. I mean they're doing Mexico City on Brazil. China are having these massive, massive fighting,
these huge you know sightings all the time. Oss like they're ramping things up because they're tired of waiting for you know, these these uh this who are supposed to be working for us, These governments that are you know, all about control. They don't want to lose control. So if they don't want this information out, if the guys upstairs are sick of it, it's like, look, this race needs to start evolving spiritually, mentally, physically,
and the only way to do that is to understand that. But we have neighbors, and if we're going to be part of that system, we have to understand that we have neighbors. Do you think most of the public is ready or evolved enough to handle this and that earth just the the elitist controllers that aren't or do you think, well, I guess you just answered it sure or are There are a lot of people too you think that that have some work to be done. Their leaders in the controllers don't want us
to be ready for it because they want to keep the control. The only trouble is is we're outgrowing them. We are becoming enlightened despite them. Pretty soon they're just gonna be left behind and they're gonna they better start catching up. Honestly, if you look at I couldn't say this even five years ago, but if you look at public opinion polls, now you bet. I
know they're ready. People talk about it all the time. More people believe in the folks than not, more people believe that the are on this planet than not. So yeah, I know they're ready. So then do you feel pretty positive about the future? I do, I absolutely do. You know there's this big thing going around that doos day is coming because of twenty twelve that, honestly, I don't believe in the duesdays. You know. In fact, if you talk it's always it's all about this mind calendar.
Some English guys started this, this this Sciasco where calendar as that means the world's band. If we talk to the mine elders today. They think white people are crazy, right, that it's calendar change is just another change in fact, how you've seen rainbow eagles speak, right, sir? Oh, yeah, he's great. Yeah, he's great. He'll be at the Congress because he talks a similar thing about how there are other Native American calendars and it's more of an evolution, more of a new age that's coming. I
that's what I believe. I believe something there is a shift coming. One of the things I'm going to talk about in my book is I'm learning what see, the human race doesn't really know who they are. We've been subdued because the things that are trying to control us are afraid of who we are. Once we learn who we are, it changes everything. And this this thing that's going to happen in twenty twelve is because of us. You know, there is going to be a shift, and you know what, I
think it's going to be a positive one. I really do. Well, then do you think? And you know, thinking back to Stephen Hawkings comments not too long ago, but I mean considering your message that it's mostly positive that the people things visiting us in the extraterrestial Civilization Center. I can't say that, you know, there's there's really just like it is here. What's going on here reflects what's going on in the universe pretty much. There is
good and bad here as well as out in the universe. There's a lot of bad things out there that are trying to control and use us, and there's good things out there trying to help us. But here's the key. If we want it, if we want to evolved, we have to do it ourselves. That is, that is, you know, part of the initiation. As soon as we ask for help. Number one, we are sophisticated enough to figure out really who is out to get us and who is
not. Because they're very intelligent beings out there. The good guys say, hey, let them do it themselves because that's the only way they'll learn. And really, that's honest to God's truth. We have to come to terms with this on our own. We can't. Soon as we ask for help.
We're indebted to the people we ask for help from, and that's not that's not a good thing, because we can't discern who's good who's bad yet, right, and so, but by ourselves we can move along, Yes, oh yeah, and who we are as a species is so much more than we understand. And I think the hardest thing for the human race to it's gonna be the hardest thing for the human race to accept, is the fact that we are the hybreds. And you know that's gonna flip some people
out. Yeah, well, and getting back to you know, and are getting too hybrids and abductions. Abductions can be a scary thing for people. I know it can be a scary has been a scary thing for you. Do you see that as a malicious act? You know, I'm kind of torn because they do take your getting their will. But I've had different experiences. I've had experiences where you know, they were polite and they wanted to
give me information and it was more contact here. I've had situations where it was absolutely terrifying and I had made there's a couldn't sleep with the life off for months, And you hear both sides of this. There are different things out there that have different agendas. Some are here to help in the summer,
and that's really the only way I can explain it. Yeah, which makes sense, And I want to get more in the hybrids, but I did want to explain myself a little bit when he said I couldn't vie sleep, which is true, and since you talked about not being able to fall asleep again. The only reason I bring this up is because it was an
extraordinary experience that I had with you all. Is when I came to investigate that first abduction, which was that I happened after I had worked with you all, which every single situation you've had has had a whole set of extraordinary things that have happened, including that one. But in this one, that night that I came, we were hearing loud noises, big bangs on the roof, taps on the windows, like someone's was throwing stuff even when we
were outside. So all of this, of course, really kind of freaked me out. And I could tell at that time too that Lisa, who was staying up with me and we were talking, was kind of freaked out. And I could tell you know that it was stressful for you all. Oh yeah, you know, and you gotta wonder if these guys just don't have a sense of humor and everything. Let's make the monkeys dance, you
know, because that's I mean, now, you just ignore it. Good example, just not too long long ago, my stepdaughter, April's boyfriend and her were down in her room watching TV. And she has a rocking recline. You remember those blue rocking re clients we have. The darn things started rocking back and forth and it went on for a half hour, and her and her boyfriend were down there just absolutely, you know, covered up to
each other, trying to figure out what the heck was going on. Yeah, that's just normal stuff when you're when and these are the real abduction experiences. These are the real experiences. Have that that high strangeness thing that happens right, so, you know, everything and anything paranormal starts to happen with these people for whatever reason. One the funny thing is now that you bring up your your stepdaughter, is that your stepdaughters were skeptical of things happening around
you even though they experienced things. And how do they cope with it now? Oh yeah, you know, they'll talk about it now, but that back then, you know, anything that wasn't cool, we're gonna fight their friends away. They wouldn't admit to it. Trouble is, most of their friends come over to experience stuff. Yeah, so you know, I've got tons of leams of witness reports from all these kids. They know that just came on hang out because they want to experience stuff and they do so you
know, now they're cool with it. They'll talk about it. In fact, Apel did a thesis on the induction experience or the college or college class. Wow, that's pretty cool, so you know change Yeah, well I remember, you know, my first UFO siding with you all again, you know, speaking of her, was we were outside on the deck and we see what teams to be a lot of satellites. And I say this because they looked like satellites. They were moving in a straight line at a good
speed. But we're seeing a lot of them, one after another after another, which was kind of weird. And then one of them I saw, and she saw it with me, made this jay hook maneuver and faded out. And I always remember this because it was funny because she said, oh, you know, there's nothing going on, and I said, well, did you see that? And I was all excited and she says, yeah, big deal. And I said, well, just like did this little half circle and faded out. She says, I see satellites do that all
the time. They're not supposed to do that. And she's like, oh really, she's the stuff she sees and she just kind of blows it off. Now, I mean her and her friend and sees stuff all the time.
Yeah, well, I wanted that. I wanted to get that story out, but I did want to pursue further the hybrid situation because just like a lot of abductees, such as we were talking about earlier in our news section about a gentleman and Hoboken who's an artist who has drawn about his abduction experiences and how he believes he is part of a hybridization program and he has hybrid children, and it seems something similar as happening to you as well.
Oh yeah, you know, you know the story again, this is not typical of the abductions, or maybe it is. I don't know. I don't know too many other than what I have to go through. But when I'm taken, there was always a woman there with me. And I eventually met the woman that I was taken with all these many years, and we became very close friends, and you know, as Victoria and I found out later that my wife was also taken in our friend Heidi was soon well,
oddly enough this started. I knew this for a while, but we had a situation where my wife had a surprised book released party for me. I just became a best selling author and she did a surprise party for me. And it was about nine o'clock at night, and it was raining outside, and I see this little girl standing at the edge of our driveway in the pouring rain. I'm thinking, what crazy neighbor would let their kids out this late and in the pouring rain, and why is she running a great jumpsuit.
I went outside to see if I could help her, and she ran off. Well I came back and told everybody about it, and you were there, and you know what happened again. I went outside and you know, she was looking at you know. I went outside and I had my camera with me, and it was really dark, so I was using the splash of the camera as a light, and she popped her head out from behind this tree and I got a picture of her and I was just stump
on it. I was shocked. I was standing there looking at this picture. In one of the researchers, you know, Rick came out to me to go stand what happened. I couldn't even talk, and I shot on
the picture because oh my god, you've got to show everybody. So, you know, we came back in and showed him this amazing picture of this angelic looking girl who you know for a fact wasn't altogether human, just because her eyes were just absolutely massively huge, very slanted, just I mean, the shape of her head was just so the bar and you know, they got they'll see this, this this angelic face. Well, and it's been so long, we're going to have to help me at this part. You
know. Everybody told me that I should put this picture on the computer. And we were walking down the stairs and the camera and on my feet, and that picture disappeared. And I don't remember, Alejandro, was it like a minute or ten minutes after that happened that we got that phone call. It's hard to say, because of course we were all so excited because the sequence of events. Tried to get down to the computer, because I know, I was like, get down on a computer, get down on the
computer. And then of course on the way to the computer, it disappeared off the camera, and then we came upstairs and everybody was excited talking about it. It probably wasn't very long. It was probably like five minutes. Yeah, I'm thinking five minutes, but five minutes. You know, after the picture disappeared, got a phone call and this little girl said, Daddy. It's like, well, you know, I've got my own daughter, and then I've got two step daughters and a step son, and I've never
heard this voice before. It's a little squeaky, little squeak of a voice, is daddy. And I said, yeah, go for I love you. We'll get to meet again sometime and then, you know, you know, you can tell the rest. I just fell apart. Yeah, yeah, you definitely at that point. Yeah, because me and Lisa were the
ones who noticed, oh, visit a phone call. This must be weird, and so we followed you and you couldn't even explain what happened on the phone call because you got so emotional and you had to go into another room, and I gave you space because I saw how emotion you are, and for a guy, of course, we don't like to be emotional around people. But Lisa, of course your wife followed you in and got more of the information from you. But definitely, yeah, ID a unique experience,
and of course you've had more since than I know of. But what do you think then it's going on with this hybrid? Why if yeah, why do you think this is happening? Well for some people, you know, And again it depends on what's doing it, what's creating these hybrids. I think there's some things that are making these beings to replace us because they have an evil agenda. And I think there's some things out there that are making these counters at that or you know, to help us. Again, I'm
not an expert. It's just my own theories, my own thought. Maybe somebody SOMEWHEREO knows the truth. But I know these things they're real. I mean, I was. I had a phone call. We may call us every once in a while, as weird as that is. We've got recordings of these calls, and they show up at my confidences sometimes, you know, very well. Know. I was at the Aztec UFO conference. We got a call from one of these kids saying, you know, we'll show
up, and sure enough there were witnesses. I've got witness reports and it was this talk about conspiracy. This this conference was held at a Mason's Club, huge Mason's Club in Asseec, New Mexico and even the head Mason saw kids freaked out and that these kids be freaked out because they want human It's I could tell they want human. Yeah, so what do you do? I mean, just more elements. Yeah, And I gotta say, honestly, even talking about that experience with the picture and these things, it's it's
it. I even feel a little bit uncomfortable talking about it. And I think it's just because it is so uh woo woo woo woo. It's it's so wild, it's unique to the phenomena. But in the same turn, it's exciting if there isn't an evolution to where possibly uh, we're moving to a stage where we can't communicate maybe even face to face with you know, it's all it's guess what, it's already happening people. You know, people need to get over this thing with this subject. You know, deduction scenario
is real and it is the hardest to accept. It is because it's scariest, But people need to understand that there's stuff out there that really is happening. I mean, there's so much of it. There's evidence in the Bible. It's been going down for thousands of years in fourteenth century frescoes and you know painy cave paintings, and you know twos of pharaohs. There's all it's evidence. It's like, when are people going to finally staff out of it
and understand, Yeah, it's been going on. Well, it's exciting because we only have a few minutes after. It's exciting that you have another book coming out. I know your first book has has done well, and I keep hearing from a lot of people who I've read it, which is great and you can get actually you could still get it. I see it always at Barnes and Noble and Borders. Now you have these other books coming out because I know, and just for listeners who have been asking that, there
have been several video projects in the work set. Somehow these things just keep getting delayed. And I know, not by your fault, everybody, or maybe nobody's fault. Everybody's trying to get this the ball ruling care, but they just things seem to not work out. Well. We're finding out that whenever the funding comes up, these funders get scared away by somebody or something. So you know, that's just another part of this. You know,
just keep moving forward now with this second book. I'm going to do everybody a favor and if they go to your full Congress conference, we're going to hand out We made a thousand seeds and may get two chapters from my second book free. This book is so important I can't just you know, I wanted to get out sooner later, So we're releasing it as it goes,
and you can go online and preority. You can order chapter by chapter, or you can order it you know, the full book when it's done, or you know, you can get it to Kindle or whatever you want. But we'll be giving out three chapters when you get to your book conference. Cool. And I want to let people know we were on Skype and I and stands on the speaker on Skype. That's why you hear some of the noises in the background. It almost sounded like a minute ago a Harry or
jet was taken off. But then I know it's your laptop fan probably, I mean, you're there was no sound on by n Well, yeah, we can hear the fan and stuff sometimes, but that's why And the reason that we did that is so that you'll be able to see Stan on the
Skype video which is going to be really cool. So if you're watching on the U stream, you can see that, or we'll also have that up on our YouTube video because we always put these up on YouTube as well, so people will be able to see stand talking as we talk back for us. So and then I guess, uh, yeah, you've already talked about
you're gonna put up a couple of chapters in your book. And then uh as we close here, and oh, I also want to mention Stan romaneq dot com is where you can get more information about Stan and information about his book. But what other kind of topics are you going to hit at the Congress? Of course you have less time than you usually take. Yeah, it's gonna be. I'm only gonna speak about an hour that I'm bringing somebody fundy coup me right my second book. His name is G. W.
Harden. I'm a best selling author. But he's a New York Times bestselling author. And we've got a lot of really cool new stuff, especially at the night the end of my presentation, we're gonna blow you away. I don't want to give it all out right now because I want you to come right awesome, well really exciting. Uh Well, I want to thank you for being on the show again. It was a lot of fun. And I know people it always is very controversial when we have you on the show,
which is just fine because it's good to talk to you again. And I'm gonna be really happy to see Lisa because I just love the heck out of the family and I miss you guys, so it'll be good to see you again. Hey, guess what, no press time? Yeah, great, Thank goodness, all right, thanks for being on the show. Stane in a little bit, all right, you're there? All right, Well
that was Stan Romanik and that was a lot of fun. I think that was the first time we got this guype video working here, so hopefully we'll do that again in the future. It's kind of cool to be able to have the guests on video while we're talking to them. But otherwise we're going to take a break after the conference. So the conferences on Sunday, so we're not going to have a show on Monday. We are going to relax
on Monday because we've been so hard at it. But we'll be back on what is that the twenty eighth I guess next month with more exciting guests. So thank you for listening to Open Minds Radio. Be sure to check out open minds dot tv for more UFO news. Talk to you later,