This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former Director of Public Education and official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalist for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal
up close and personal. And now Open Minds Radio presents evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello everybody, This is Alejandro with Open Minds Radio and we have another great guest today.
We're hitting you with something kind of heavy out there in Phoenix. I know we've been taken in easy on you, but we're actually having a show about abductions, and I know that's kind of out there topic and a lot of people haven't seen some of the best evidence related to abductions, and that's why I want to cover this now. I was skeptical myself when I first got into this field and I heard about that subject, and when I started to hear people who had these claims. I was thinking, okay, but
you know, I want to see more. And I did see more. I saw a lot more, but I can take it. Some people would be afraid, but not me. I'm fearless man. You got to be when you're looking into the paranormal. And one of the most incredible cases that I ran across was that of a young man. Actually he's not that young. He's a lot older than I am, but he's a good buddy of mine, Stan Romanek. I first got involved with this case when I saw some of the most amazing UFO video I had ever seen, and I thought,
Wow, how the heck could this guy have hoaxed this video? I thought, there's no way he could do that. Then I found out more about some of the abduction experiences that he had had, and luckily, eventually I got to know him and got to actually work on the case. Stan made some international news when it still from a video that he took appeared.
It looked like one of those little gray alien characters. But this still was circulated throughout the media, and if you're watching on the stream at Openminds dot tv will show you that picture, or if you go to Stanromanek dot com. You'll be able to see it there as well. But this picture alone
is hardly evidence. It's just one of many, many different incidents that had happened, and most people don't know that Stan does have an abundance of evidence that supports that he's being abducted by something or someone, possibly who knows, but possibly extraterrestrials. Regardless, he's got some incredible footage of UFOs, balls
of lights, possible extraterrestrials. And one very exciting thing is that for those of you who live in the Phoenix metro area, you're gonna be able to come check out Stam's presentation on Sunday, January twenty fourth, at one pm at the Vision Quest Metaphysical Bookstore. The cost is only five dollars. It's at two two two five North Scottsdale Road in Arizona, and this is just to cover the cost of bringing him out here so you can meet him in
person, and you're gonna see, you know everything. You're gonna see the videos, the audio videos of balls of lights flying around. More than that, though, you're gonna hear firsthand from him some of these incredible experiences. We're gonna get into it and just a little while some of what's gone on. But first we're gonna get into the news. These are UFO headlines from around the world. We keep a close eye on the conventional media and we
cover and everything they cover on this subject. You'll be surprised that if you go to our website open Minds dot tv, we're updating it on nearly a daily basis. Because there are a lot of UFO stories out there. A lot of people think, eh, you know, not much is going on in this Only a few people are seeing things, but a lot of people see stuff. So go to our website and check it out at your leisure or go there. Right now, we have with us today someone to cover
the news. We had him here last week and he's one of the most exciting new features of Open Minds Radio, and that is our news correspondent, Jason McClelland thanks Aalajdro I'm glad, I'm exciting. Let's get into the news from the week. The death of a leading international UFO and crop circle researcher is still a mystery. Paul the Gay, who worked on the two thousand and two Mel Gibson movie Signs was found dead in February of last year,
floating in the sea. The ind questions to his death failed to conclude how wound up dead in the water, and police found no signs of assault or struggle. But on the evening before his death, his girlfriend apparently notified him that she wanted to end a three year relationship. It's possible that Vigue committed suicide because of this, but no suicide note was ever found, though a note later found. That note found in his office simply read I love you,
and that could be interpreted as a goodbye note. Hm. Who knows? This is a guy who actually consulted on the movie signed with Mel Gibson about crop circles and if you remember that, these ets bad little guys, although there are little weaklings because they were be able to get beat up really easy. But yeah, this guy consulted for that movie. So it's interesting that it's actually the media who finds his death mysterious. So did he commit
suicide? Possibly? I haven't seen a picture of his girlfriend. She might have been a bombshell, who knows, or just a lovely person inside. I think you're right. Who knows? There was a UFO that landed at a school in the UK. Students were shocked when the UFO landed at the Red House Primary School in Sutherland. The craft wasn't from space, though, but rather a creation of the school staff's part of a three week space project,
complete with smoke, lights and goo. The teachers tried to make the experience as real as possible for students, and they even had police officers come out to the scene. The real purpose of the project was to engage students and help them develop their writing skills. But they wonder in their effort to make it as real as possible, I wonder how many of them have experienced
UFO landings and where this idea of goo comes from. Yeah, it's interesting that some teachers should choose to use a UFO landing in order to teach their students. So I wonder, you know a lot of people, a lot of people out there are believers of this phenomena, you know, debatably, maybe even fifty percent or more of the people out there, A lot of our lovely listeners, and some of you are maybe skeptics, which is great as well, but it's interesting that they should choose that way to go.
Teachers absolutely first school project. That's pea cool. I didn't have anything about that in school, No me either. We got to chant landings as gross. Oh, let's go to China. China was buzzing with UFO reports this week after a celestial lights show was seen by many witnesses. Chinese officials have come forward with an explanation of a secret military missile test to explain the bizarre
sighting. And this report comes just months after, or one month after, the strange sighting in Russia that was also explained by officials as a missile test. Yeah, and this one I think is neat. The pictures that came along, they are a little fuzzy, but I mean they're kind of extraordinary, just like the Norway thing that happened a couple of weeks ago. You see this ball of light kind of flying around in this screen or at least
just to still of that. And it's a neat picture. So you can go to openminds dot tv to look at that picture, look up the story, or if you're watching our streaming at our website, you can see it there as well. So very interesting pictures. And I guess with these reports of all these secret missile tests missile tests are possibly the new weather balloon. Yeah exactly. I mean there are missile tests going on, but some of these things, at least this one especially, you know, with this big
ball of light that doesn't look like anything like a missile. Well, in the way that a lot of these reports come out of the sightings that people see, they describe the objects as spinning, and unless all these missiles are going crazy, yeah, kind of weird that they're spinning when Chinye's really failing in their missile program. I guess it's good that they're testing though and getting things right. If their missiles are spinning out of control. Yeah, that's
scary. Oh, you might think the desk gets your office is weird. Ron Pandolphi literally occupied the desk named the Weird Desk at the CIA, at least that's what they call it. The Weird Desk is apparently in charge of investigating real life X files, UFO and paranormal activity. Pandelphia is apparently the one who briefed the Clintons on UFOs and aliens as well. Pandelphi, Yeah, I wrote a story that hit a big website called COSTACOSAM. Probably a
lot of our listeners are familiar with that radio show. Me and Antonio from Open Minds were on the show recently, but it's a very popular website and they posted one of the stories that we had posted this week. Luckily it
came from Grant Cameron, who runs PRESIDENTIALUFO dot com. He had found this, but a guy named Tony Antonio or Tonio Cusine had discovered that Laurence Rockefeller and Hillary Clinton were walking in the woods and she was holding this book about ets from a guy named Paul David's and it was a philosophical exploration of what if he he's had come to the planet. And that was discovered, you
know, and everybody knew about it, and Pandolphie had helped brief. We have some documents at HILLARYCLINTONUFO dot net that is also ran by Grant Cameron that show that Hillary was helping Lawrence Rockefeller write some paperwork to Bill Clinton, who was then president, to get him to disclose on UFOs and Pandolphie was also requested by the White House to brief the White House on the whole UFO field
and some of his buddies in the CIA. It's really an interesting full tie in with the CIA and Lawrence Rockefeller and the White House on what was going on back then. And you can check out again on a website. It's on the front page Open mindsat TV. Thanks Jason, we're out of time. We've got to take a break. We'll be right back. You're listening
to Open Minds Radio on kfnet. All right, we are back and you are listening to Open Minds Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we are about to bring on Stan Romanic, the abductde He's written a book called Messages that you can actually go get at your Borders or or Barnes Noble everywhere. It's a great book that overviews a little bit of what's gone on with him in a little while. In about fifteen minutes or so,
you'll be able to call in and ask questions. I'll give you that number now at six oh two two seven seven KFNX, which is five three six ' nine. That's six oh two two seven seven five three sixty nine. Also you can call the toll free if you're one of our online listeners, and that's eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred. But let's talk to Stan. Are you on the line. Yes, I sure am all right.
Great, it is great to hear from you again, and we're just going to be able to get into the basics of what's gone on with your case. So let's start off with the beginning. These incredible videos that you took. Well, the beginning of my story probably started, honestly when when I was a young child, But really the major part of my experiences started in two thousand, December of two thousand, to be exact. I had
met my wife online. She lived in Nebraska. I lived in Colorado, and I wanted to send her a care package with a video of the surrounding scenery, because you know, Colorado's beautiful, and so I decided to go up to the foothills and kind of and kind of video tape the skyline, and I was gonna send it to her. And only trouble is, I've
never made it to my destination. On the side of the road, a bunch of people were pulled off the side of the road and they were looking up to the south and there was a huge UFO hovering above the power lines. And that's pretty much when it all started. And this thing didn't look traditional like your disk or actually I don't know that I've ever heard any other craft that like the one you got on your video reported anywhere. Could you
describe kind of what it looked like. It was like a bench of spears stacked up on top of each other. The top sphere must have been about thirty forty foot in diameter, and there were five or six smaller spheres rotating counterclockwise beneath the larger top, and you know, it was pretty amazing. You know. At first, when I first saw this thing, I thought it was some kind of strange hot air balloon. But as I got close,
I realized it was actually a metallic craft. And at the time I really really did not believe in UFOs, right, and it's movement, what was it moving? I know it was moving. What was that like? Well, it was, first of all, it was silent. The only thing that I remember specifically was there was a lot of static charge in the air, and it smelled a little bit like ozone, which I thought was
rather bizarre for a sunny winter day. But it was tilted forward and it was moving along the power lines, and as I got closer to it, you know, to me, it seemed like it was pacing my van. I was pretty scared by that point, and I kind of hit the gas and then I realized that my camcorder with me, and I decided, well, there's some people around, I'm going to be brave, and I pulled off the side of the road and I rolled down my window to get a
better shot of this thing. Right when I did that, you know, I it seemed to notice me. And when it did, it kind of reorientated itself. It stood straight up and literally popped to about one thousand foot. It moved that fast. I couldn't even follow it with my eyes. So it was lower and it shot straight up. Yes, it was about it must have been maybe sixty to one hundred foot above the ground. It was very close, and then it went about one thousand foot just in an
instant. And of course I'm guessing at you know, how far it was. But I grew up in the military, in the Air Force, and we used to, you know, when I was a kid, we were woking up every morning by jets flying over in the sonic explosions or sonic booms that they'd make. And that's what happened. When this thing accelerated away, I could create a sonic boom and I could fill my shirt vibrate. It was rather astounding. Now you can look at some stills of this craft at
Stand's ret website. Stan ROMANECR M A N e K. I'm pretty sure I get that right, yep dot com and the video people will be able to see on Sunday. And if you can't make it on Sunday in Scotchdale, you can go see him at the UFO Congress, which is a big UFO conference in Laughlin, Nevada coming up here in a few weeks and you can read about that conference at Ufocongress dot com. But let's get into then your second and third sighting, because that's when stuff really started getting crazy.
Well, I had, you know, about a year had passed and I was really having a hard time with this. I just refused to believe. It actually took me a few years to come to terms with what was going on. By this point, I had been followed by a UFO through three and a half or two and a half states from at some stuff I had to do in Pennsylvania. So me and my friend and my girlfriend who is now my wife, you know, drove out there and drove back, and
then it was I believe it was Timber November. I don't remember offhand. Two thousand and one, when I was at work and I was just about I was managing a store and I was just buff close up for the evening and some customers, the customers came running back in and they were yelling, there's something above your work. I assumed somebody was messing around on the roof. I ran outside to see, you know, if I could see anybody on the roof, But they're pointing up in the sky, and above my
work was a rather large ball shaped ufoll. I mean, this thing was pretty big. What did it look like in maybe size and color? Again, it must have been oh thirty forty foot in diameter, except this thing was perfectly round, it didn't have any other spheres surrounding it, and it was the prettiest red orange color I'd ever seen in my life. And it was blinking really fast. They estimated it was about eight times a second. Wow. And this thing was just covering there, no sound, no anything,
and we're all watching this thing in total amazement. Eventually, this object floated away and I locked up the store and I quickly got in my car, and I was driving home because I wanted to tell my sister and my friend, who were waiting for me, we're going to go out to dinner
that evening. And as I was driving, I see this blinking object off in the distance and it looked like it was coming back, And by the time I got to the apartment, it was right over the apartment building, and I ran upstairs, got my camcorder, got my sister and my friend and we watched this thing for a little bit. Eventually it went away. By the time everything was said and done, it was about eleven o'clock.
My friend had gone home and I went to bed, and about two o'clock in the morning, there was a knock at the door and I thought it was my friend, but it turned out to be something else. Yeah, I wanted to mention too the object. When you said they had discovered that it was blinking about eight times a second, you had gotten some video of this object, and who looked at it and who was it that determined it
was blinking at eight seconds? Well, where my experiences first started. Moufon actually got involved, and I don't remember who it was that Moufon sent it off to, but the first initial analysis was that this object was blinking eight times a second, and it was actually what they were looking at. The reason it was red is because it was in some kind of infrared light. Most of it was glowing in infrared light, and what we could see of
it anyhow to the naked eye was about thirty foot diameter. So these were some investigators from the mutual UFO network, which we talked about last week in a just a large investigative organization exactly. So you were getting to some of the weirdness that happened that night, and you had some visitors at two am. What do you consciously remember about those visitors. Well, you know, first of all, I gotta tell you, whenever you watch these TV shows,
this really bugs me. If you watch the news, they always try to tell you it's sleep paralysis. So now every time we see a UFO we always look at each other and go, it's just sleep paralysis. We joke around. What they don't tell you is there's a lot of experiencers who have had things happen while they were fully awake, like Biddy and Barney Hill, Travis Walton. You know, myself, I remember pretty much everything because I was such a skeptic. My brain refused to believe it. I I
conned myself into believing it was all a dream. But I wasn't a sleep when this happened. I was fully awake. I remembered everything. I even remember the smell. Gotcha. And you know what, We're gonna have to take a break. But when we get back from break, we're gonna talk more about what Stan remembers and it is pretty shocking as well as these videos which Stan it took of these craft, which is also shocking. Remember, in a few minutes here, you're going to be able to call in and
ask Stan some questions. If you're in the Phoenix Mectro area, that's six oh two two seven seven, five three sixty nine or the twelve three number, which is eight sixty six, five three six eleven hundred. We're going to take a short break. We'll be right back with Stan Romanik. You're listening to Alejandro Rojas on Open Minds Radio at KFNX, and we're back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and you are listening to KFNX, and we've got Stan Romanek on the line.
I wanted to mention, and we're going to talk more about this in a few minutes. There is a way for all of you to see these amazing videos and different pictures and stuff we're talking about, and that is going to be a movie, a documentary that will be coming out hopefully pretty soon here. And I'm just dying for other people to see this stuff, because of course I get a lot of heck for supporting Stan's case. But you know what, I've seen the evidence and it's amazing and if you see it,
you'll understand what I'm talking about. So come down and take a look at Vision quest or go to the UFO Congress, or just wait for the video to come out. And we're going to talk to the guy who's making that video when we come back from our next break. But Stan, you are telling us about what you remembered that night after you saw that large red UFO.
Well, when I went to the door, you know, somebody was knocking at the door, and the first thing I thought was, you know, my friend had broken down and maybe it took them a while to walk back, or you know, we live in an apartment complex. I wasn't sure. In many cases, I got up to see who it was.
And by the time I got there, my sister had already answered the door, and I saw three people standing outside and they looked like I assumed they were young teenagers because they were smaller, you know, smaller stature than your average adult. And as I was walking forward, I'm looking at these guys and I'm thinking, man, they've got some pretty elaborate costumes on. Did they, you know, just get out of a costume party? What did they look like? Huh? Well, there was a female and two males.
You could tell she was a female because she had a female physique. And they were smaller. They must have been about four foot something, very very slender, very skinny necks, very skinny, and huge heads. Their heads almost look too big for their bodies. Huge planted, almond shaped eyes. Except what I remember where their eyes weren't black like your you know, typical et sounding you know almost people describe eteeth. They had almost baby baby
blue irises. The irises were this deep baby blue color. What was the color of their skin? Their skin very pale, not gray like people talk about, but just very very very pale, like say that's never been as a sun. And what was your sister doing. I mean, she opened the door, and well, that's the thing. That's the thing that really struck me as unusual is the fact that she just stood there. I mean, she just stood there looking at the ceiling, like literally like they had
turned her off or something. I remember looking at her and her mouth was open and she was stern. I thought she was stern at a spot at the ceiling or something. Yeah, and a few weeks we're going to have a counselor who's done a lot of regressions and she talks about that too, where often when people have these experiences, they report their spouses like just turned
off. And apparently that's what happened to my sister. What's interesting when you talk to my sister, she'll tell she'll tell you that she remembers that there were three people at the door, But what she remembers is there were three people in pin stripe suits that there were some kind of business suits, and that's all strange. So then what happened with these little characters, Well, you know, I thought they were gonna honestly, I thought they were going
to rob us. I mean, why else were they wearing costumes or masks until I got really close and I realized that I could see the veins in their head. I could you know, their facial features were you know, moving, and their expressions were just too real to be you know, a mask, and I really, honestly, I started getting pretty scared. And then the female kind of just pushed my sister aside and grabbed my wrist.
And you know, it's really kind of hard to explain unless you have had this happen to you, and it's sometimes hard for me to talk about because I still have issues with believing it myself. But a thought popped into my head, and the only way I can explain it is that thought wasn't my own thought. It was it's going to be okay, You're going to be
okay. Well I wasn't going to be okay. I didn't put that thought there, And for whatever reason, I just was going along with whatever this thing was doing, and she was they were leading It seemed like they were leading me out to the balcony. Now we live in a second story apartment. Right as we got to the door, I snapped out of whatever trance I was in, and I was I grabbed one of the males next to me, and I was literally going to throw this thing off the balcony.
I felt a tap on the back of my head and I woke up somewhere else. Do you remember waking up where you woke up? Oh? Yeah, I woke up. Well. I was literally when I came to, I was stuck to a wall. The wall not like glued. It was like you know if you go on those amusement park rides with centripical force, like tilted whirl I think they call them. It's just like that. It's
like some kind of gravitational thing. And I could move my head a little bit, I could move my feet and my hands, but I couldn't move my body. And I remember the female walked over to me. I was really really panicking at this point, and I couldn't forget how she could walk around and I couldn't move. And she put her hand on this lip panel next to where I was up to the wall, and it just let go of me. So and then you were able to move completely. I was
able to move completely. Yeah, it was pretty bizarre. So what did you do? Pardon me, what did you do when you were able to move? Well, I just kind of stood there and again I must have been in some kind of I don't know if I was. Honestly, I can't tell you if I was in a UFO, if I was in somebody's house, I couldn't tell you. But I seemed to be semi conscious and
kind of unconscious all at the same time. And you know, they one of the mails came over and he had a box hanging from a strap over his shoulder, and at the end of this box was a tube that looked like I was connected to what looked to me almost like a melon baller for lack of a better description. And yeah, what happened? Did he do
something with this or well? You know, they they started doing something to my lower back, and I remember this excruciating pain in my lower back, and it appeared that they were taking some kind of skin grash or something. And I remember feeling a tap on the back of my head and I woke up on the table apparently the pain. They realized the pain was a little bit too much for me, and I woke up on the table. Wow, Hello, what was that? No, that wasn't me. I don't
know what that was. So when you were on the table, what what did was this table like Hello, I guess we lost our collar, so something happened. I know sometimes he has phone problems, so perhaps that was it. He will be getting back on the line, but I can share. You know, one thing that happened with me was Stan, when I
was investigating this case. We were outside and we were looking at the sky and it seemed like there were a bunch of satellites starting to come into the sky, because there's one after another after another, and they were moving in a straight, steady line. But one of them took like this jay hook maneuver and then it faded out, So of course, satellites kind of don't do jay hook maneuvers. Are you Backstan, Yeah, that was really weird. What was that? I don't know it. Did you just lost a
connection? Yeah, it just went dead. I just heard something mumbling in the background. It just went dead. Well, let's talk about when you got up in the morning. Well, actually, we're gonna have to go to break in just a second here, so that was kind of weird. Of course I heard some sort of voice, but we'll have to listen to
the show later to see what the heck that was. But we're about to go to break, so I'll just mention again that we're gonna have Jack Roth on when we get back from break and he is the guy who is doing the documentary, so we'll talk to him about that. And if you want to call in and ask Stan any questions, you can call six oh two two seven seven five three sixty nine or the toll free number that's eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred. We'll be right back here listening to Open
Minds Radio on KFNX. Welcome back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio and I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas. We are here with Stan Romanek, who has some incredible abduction experiences going on. I'm affected by something who knows what. And remember you can come see him in a couple of days at Vision Quest Metaphysical Bookstore. It's only five bucks and that's at two two two five North Scottsdale Road in Scottsdale. It's at one pm and he'll be showing us
a lot of these videos and different things that he's been talking about. But we've also got on the line, Jack Roth, who is doing a video of Stan. Are you on the line, Jack, I am on the line. How you doing Alijango doing great. It's good to hear from you again. It is good to talk to you, you know. By the way, I was on on hold listening to the show when Stan got cut off, and I don't know, I know if you guys heard that what
was said there, but I heard it very clearly. Uh huh. I don't know if you want to hear it or not, but there was definitely a voice on there that said something and it was kind of, uh, kind of strange. What did you hear? I heard a very strange It was a male voice say you need to learn to keep your mouth shut, and then all of a sudden he went dead. Now that's I mean, I have I didn't want to go into too much on this because there's a
lot going on and you can hear more. I've gotten weird phone calls that said it was coming from my own phone regarding this case. And I know, I think, have you gotten one of these weird phone calls since you've been involved with this case, Jack, Yeah, we've gotten three or four. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to like to go there too much because you know, you got to come and see all of this evidence.
I heard of this sort of thing happening. I would be like, come on, guys, yeah right, but when you see everything going on, I mean, it's weird stuff. I don't know. You know, we'll talk to people some more about it. But Jack, I wanted to ask you, what was it regarding what you had seen with Stan that you know, kind of prompted you to do this documentary. Well, actually,
ironically you were there at the time. It was funny. It was when I met you and Chuck in Denver while I was out in Denver doing something unrelated to the to stand story, uh, and I just by chance met you guys, uh, And we wound up spending a significant amount of time
on that trip together talking about different things. And you had mentioned his case and started talking about it and what I you know, sometimes with paranormal investigations you kind of have to You want to you want to follow the evidence and and follow the facts, but you also need to use your intuition. And something was telling me that you guys were you were very serious about this.
It was a very serious case. It was it was real. The things that were happening were real, and some of the things that are happening were so profound that to me, I knew that it was important. It was important for the message that was being sent to stand for and through Stan needed to get out to the public. I just thought it was an important case. And it was at that time when I actually met you guys, that I realized, you know what, this this needs to be told the right
way. There are a lot of times there are stories that are these phenomenal cases and stories that are happening to people they don't get told correctly. Yeah, there's certain people get their hands on it in the wrong way. There's that Hollywood factor, that's right. Like Stannard referred to Travis Walton and he had an incredible encounter and they kind of just made up half of it where it wasn't true. It was just out of their imagination and it didn't have
to do with the extraordinary things that happened with that case. The real things weren't shown. Now, when is this going into production? Jack, Well, our goal is to start production in the spring, right now, in the pre production phase, getting everything set in As far as in that regard, how quick do you think you'll be able to turn this baby around? I think where our goal is to do it quickly because I know there's timing.
You know, the timing aspect of the message is important, and I think that, uh, you know, once we get it shot and then get it edited, it's going to be on a pretty fast timetable only because again it's the importance of the message, and I think that doing telling the story the right way is especially in this particular case, is that it is
extremely important because people need to know the truth about what's going on. Yeah, a lot of people are waiting for this, so it's great to hear that you're gonna kind of step this up and get it out as soon as possible, because of course, like a lot of the stuff we've been talking about, people really want to see that stuff. So Stan, oh sorry, no, I'll go ahead. A our goal is to try to get it out as many people as a distribution of this, not only domestically but
internationally. We watch higher Wall to see that yeah, yeah, and they're interested. I mean it proves that when Stan his little stick of one of his videos got out and it was all over the world, including Larry King and and then Jeff Peckman, who was involved with showing that still was on David Letterman which was great, and so Stan, you must be pretty excited about this project. Oh yeah, I'm real excited. And these guys, you know, I trust these guys implicitly. They know what they're doing.
They're on the same same wavelengths that I'm at. They know the possible dangers of doing this and what to expect, and we've talked about that. There is a lot of high strangeness that surrounds this and I've you know, I mean my family, I've had as as you know, you know, we've had to live this, uh this for years now, and anybody that gets involved, you know, gets to see some of the stuff that happens. That's you know, that's one of the things that people need to understand about
my case. It's it's very controversial. There's a lot of people out there that just refuse to believe anything about this case. But really what makes it stand out is most of the stuff that happens only seems to happen when people are around. You know that that's a really great point. You know,
I did a radio show. We've been doing this only in Phoenix for a few weeks, but been doing the show for over a year, and I had a show where we had witnesses, just people who had experiences with Stan, and we brought witness after witness including you know, PhDs and scientists. And it seems like you say, everybody who gets involved with this has their own sort of experience and I don't know, have you had one yet?
Jack? We have and that's a wow. Yes, all three of the principles who are involved in the documentary have had experiences unlike any they've ever had before. I mean, it all really revolves around again ods to the phone calls, the voices on the phone, a very interesting scenarios where you're getting phone calls from your own number while you're in your house, right and getting
phone calls from people from their house when they're not in their house. And and it's also you know, again, I know, we don't want to give too much away, but it's so that's exciting said. It's what's being said. Yeah, that is that is so important and so profound about this
cake. That's cool for me because when I turn investigators onto this case, I tell them, if you spend enough time with Stan, I mean, it's happened over and over again, a lot of people who hang out with stand now I knew before stand knew them, and sure enough they even and my cousin you know who I work with. If you spend an amount of time around stand something weird, you'll be a witness to the experiences that are
going on. And that's what's great about this case and why it is so important for people to take a look at all the evidence before you make your decision. That's right, that's a good point. Well, cool Jack, Thanks for coming on the show. We're really excited about the documentary. I just love showing people different things about this and and it's hard to do when, first of all, I don't don't have a lot of the the evidence. You know, Stan has that, so it's hard to do. And
I know Stan loves talking with people on showing people this stuff. And I know Stan, you've been dying to get this information out, huh I have, you know, and it's been you know, there's a lot of disinformation out there. There's a lot of people. We get threats all the time. I've been beaten up, I've been shot at, recently shot at a few months ago. There's a bullet hole in my windshield. There are people
that don't want this out whoever they are. I think things are changing, and we've had some opposition when it comes to getting the video out, I mean getting the documentary out. And now I got guys. Really I trust them and I know they're going to do the right thing and do a good job. So I'm really excited. Well cool that is. And do you still have things going on around you, like right now, Stan all the
time? Oh? You bet, you bet. We just took some pretty cool pictures and I get to show I get to do a full prison pation up there with you guys in Arizona Sunday, So I get to show a lot of well actually I'm not gonna say most of this stuff, but a lot of stuff that people don't normally get to see. And I think it'll get some people shaken in their chairs a little bit. Now you've woken up I mean from your experiences in some kind of strange places before. Oh yeah,
are you that I've woken up in other people's clothing. I've woken up on the roof. I've woken up outside with all the doors locked from the inside, with a broken rib holding some mysterious substance in my hand. You know, this abduction scenario is a real thing. I mean there's it isn't anything somebody's making up. This is really going on. And I'm not the only person this is happening to. I talked to generals, doctors, attorneys,
scientists, you name it. Yeah, we'll be talking to Barbara Land, like I said, a therapist in a couple of weeks to talk more about this and all of the people that she's talked to. Now we barely got to scratch the surface. We'll definitely have you on again. Stan Thanks for being on the show. We're out of time right now, but we'll have you back. And remember people, you can go see him at the UFO Congress ufocongress dot com, or you can see him in Scotchdale in a
couple of days, or you can wait for Jack's video. Thanks for being on the show. Guys. Ah, You're welcome. Thank al Andre. Now, next week we're gonna have Francis Barwood. She was a city council member when the Phoenix lights happened, and she was the one who was taking all of these hundreds of reports from people, and we'll have her talking about what happened back then. Since we're in Phoenix, we got to cover to the Phoenix Lights right, so really excited to talk to her. Join us
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