Stan and Lisa Romanek, Alien Abduction

Love host with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello, Alejandroojas the gentleman that mister Dena speaking of that is I and I will be your host this evening. Today. We have a great show. It's kind of funny because after a couple of weeks ago we gave

Billy Meyer such a hard time. We are covering a case that is also very controversial that a lot of people get fired up about, and that is the Stan Romanete case. But we're doing something special today. We're going to have Stan and Lisa both on and we're gonna mostly focus on some of the newer unusual happenings that have gone on. We're gonna focus on this idea because

you know, you all know who know about alien abduction phenomena. A lot of people believe and we've talked with the people that are like therapists about this on the show before that there's a hybridization type of program like humans and aliens hybridizing and creating a sort of creature that is yet unknown to us. Because we haven't got to meet him. Some people have, but we're gonna talk

specifically about all of this arena and on that topic. So and he's got some interesting things to say there, and I think a lot that you probably not have not heard of. And maybe you'll, you know, find it interesting, maybe you won't. I don't know. It's gonna be funny. Either way, you're gonna love it, trust me, So stay tuned. That's what's coming up. It's going to be a lot of fun. A couple of other notes. If you missed this show, Travel Channel Ultimate Travel

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stuff. Go to the journalist one like it, and then you know, read everything there you got all my stories and stuff, and you can watch the clips of me on the Travel Channel talking about ghosts and scary things. They didn't take any of my UFO stuff. I did talk about UFOs, but I have a clip up there too of the San Luis Valley, the part of the show where they did talk about UFOs and my good buddy Judy Mezzolines on there and Zach Begans. Now, I got a beef with that

guy because he was making fun of my buddy Judy. Judy's awesome. If you get a chance, go to the UFO Watch show in Hooper, Colorado. It's beautiful out there, and that's why you gotta watch this clip. You can see how beautiful it is. It is at the sand Dunes in Colorado, and so it's a great trip. It was always one of my favorite camping trips to go out there. So go check it out, hang out with Judy, watch some UFOs. You're gonna have a good time.

I also want to thank the Global Paranormal Society that had me on recently and you can see more about them at paroocktv dot com. Para Rock cool sounds pretty cool. Otherwise, we have lots of cool stuff on the website, including news. The website's updated on a regular basis, the latest. It's by far the best source you know. I can solidly say that, not just being biased, because we're careful we comb this stuff. We don't send you anything. We send you the best UFO news that we post on our

website. And then to top it off, if that wasn't enough, we have Jason McClellan come here into the studio to tell us about that news every week. And I'm so happy to welcome once again Jason McClellan. Do you know it is such a long haul for me to come in here every week and do the news. Yeah, you're usually at your desk looking at pictures

of Avril Levine, not all day. The majority of the day, I am combing through the piles and piles of UFO news right right, and then I have to walk twenty steps to come into the studio to do this show. Yeah, it takes a lot out of me, yep, But I am happy to do it because we've got a lot to talk about, so let's to do it. This is your Open Minds News brief or Monday, September twenty sixth, twenty eleven, Alejandro, this has been a big story this year, not so much lately, but well, I guess this past

week it certainly was back in the headlines. This is a big story early in the year, and I'm talking about the Jerusalem UFO videos. And I'm sure most of you have seen these videos at least one of the videos. But developments last week Israeli TV channel ten investigator Nite Elbowim uncovered new information about the popular Jerusalem UFO videos, who were recorded in January of this year. The videos made headlines around the world. However, this new information shits further

doubt on the authenticity. The first video was taken by Eli Gayel Gadliovich, and soon after three teenagers posted another video of what appears to be the same object. In these videos, alike can be seen descending over the famous dome rock of the Rock and then it flashes and speeds straight up and out of sight. So during his investigation, El William discovered that Gadliovich is a filmmaker

and actor with his own film production company. Elbowim also found Golan Ardiv, a film teacher, among the actors in one of Gedlievich's movies, and it just so happens that the teenagers who took the second video attend the school where Ardiv teaches. Although the makers of each video claimed to not know each other, evidence made Elbiim have doubts, so he called Gadiliovich to ask about his

association with the teenagers. Kadiliovich was very cryptic in the call, and when asked if all of this was coincidence, Gadilievitch said he did not believe in coincidences and suggested that these connections may not be a coincidence. He then also mentioned that he wanted to investigate the incident this it's weird from a cinematic point of view. Gadiliovich then said he was too busy and he would have to go, but before ending the call, he said that everything everyone was saying

about the video was true and what he meant by that is unknown. Could have been a confession of sorts, but either way, Gadlievitch seems to be He seemed to be caught off guard by Elbilliam's discoveries. Alboyam Ben contacted the film teacher Golan Ardiv. Artiv said he was present when Gadliovitch filmed the UFO, but that he didn't know the teenagers. When asked if the teenagers went to the school where he taught, Artieve changed his story and admitted that he

did know them. But when Elbilliam asked Ardive if he had a chance to talk to the students about their UFO video, Artieve said it had been busy because they're approaching final exams, so he hasn't talked with them yet. Well to the Channel ten investigator, this was enough for him to determine that the videos were not authentic, although he admits the motive behind the hoax is still

not clear. Yeah, I think this is all pretty damning. They seem to be caught off guard, and I'm predicting that if this television station keeps pressuring these guys, which it sounds like they're going to, we'll have a confession, probably in the not too distant future. But one person had asked about one of the other videos, which was Americans. Remember that one some

American tourists supposedly that were just at the Dome of the Rock. But that one was very quickly demonstrated to be a hoax, a cugi and you and I mean you and I have talked about this through the through the whole ordeal since the beginning, pointing out, you know, different red flags in each one of these videos, right, especially the one with the car full of teenagers, always seemed very strange to me. There are many things in that

video that are very goofy. Yeah, I mean so much of the teenagers driving up I said, they are crying, like five minutes or something of just them gooping around in the car until they got to the UFO. So yeah, And it was really funny how the guy's like, oh, yeah, I do know those guys. You know. One of the phone calls were so bizarre. Yeah, So, no, I don't know the teenagers. Oh you mean, do I know the teenagers? Yeah, I guess

I know them. Yea, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Well, the conclusion of NASA Space Shuttle program earlier this year, let's sound to believe that the United States space exploration was dead, but a publication released on Friday by NASA illustrates a very exciting roadmap of exploration plans for the next twenty five

years. The publication, titled the Global Exploration Roadmap, was created by fourteen space agencies, including ROSCOSMOS, that's in Russia, UKSA in the UK, CNSA, and China and NASA, collectively known as the International Space Exploration Coordination Group. Did they have outfits? I picture them in outfits. This seems like something that they got insight from Marvel comics on. I'm not sure, but yeah. They are known as the International Space Exploration Coordination Group, which

sounds very exciting. This roadmap builds on a previous publication, the Global Exploration Strategy the Framework for Coordination, that was released in May two thousand and seven. According to stand Schroeder of Mashable dot com, the new publication is a vision of robotic and human space exploration within the Solar System, with the premise humans may one day live and work in space the Moon and perhaps Mars.

Common goals and objectives of each agency within the International Space Exploration Coordination Group are outlined in the recent publication. This list includes goals like develop exploration technologies and capabilities and performs science to support human exploration, but the first objective on this

list is search for life. Schroeder explains that the human space exploration missions out missions outlined in the roadmap are a human mission to a near Earth asteroid in the twenty thirties, a deep space habitat in twenty thirty four, and a human mission to the Moon in twenty twenties. The next step would be sending humans to Mars, a dream many of us would love to see come true in our lifetimes. I know that's true for me. The full thirty eight

page Global Exploration Roadmap can be read on the NASA website. And while this is exciting, you remind me, Alejandro, that it's nothing to get too excited about, because it seems that almost monthly they come out with a new sort of roadmap. Yeah, they always have a new plan, so they don't know what their plans are. Yeah. Whatever seems to get the headlines at the time. Yeah. And another thing that made NASA very popular this past weekend. By the way, I didn't ask you you didn't get hit

by any pieces of satellite? Did you? No? And isn't that the funniest thing. This enormous satellite fell down and they were tracking it. There were all these live tracking sites where you could watch, and everybody was watching to see where this huge satellite with many pieces was going to fall and whether it was going to crush US or not. And then NASA said they had absolutely no idea where it fell. That's kind of weird because they say they

can track everything in space, and I don't understand how they would. I think it was Fox News or some one of the media outlets even said NASA loses six tons satellite. How do they do that? That's so strange. Well, and again, I think, you know, there's this illusion that we have that there's somebody, whether it's NASA or the government or somebody, who can track absolutely everything that's in our sky. And I think the real

answer is, we don't have any idea. Yeah, and it could also be that they're pretending playing dumb because of some liability if something got destroyed. They want to be oh youse us. But it's just it's weird and unfortunately these days you can't trust anyone. Well, and you know, we see

this a lot dealing with UFOs. But as soon as this thing was supposed to come down, right away on the Internet, there seemed to be tons of videos from around the world claiming to be pieces of the satellite falling, and a lot of them looked hokey, just cheesy CGI and you know it, some from Italy and just all around the world people say, oh, this is a satellite. Yeah, I don't know how legitimate it is.

But we did get a group from England that emailed us and said while they were waiting for watching for it at night, hoping to catch some video, that they saw the splash of light and a red beam laser beam shoot the ground next to them. So I we'll probably write up you know what they told us in our next magazine and the letters to the editor apart. Right, Well, if any of our listeners got any sort of video around that time that the satellite was falling, i'd certainly like the theater. I was

looking for any good video. They showed a little bit on the news and didn't seem like much, and you really couldn't tell if it was a giant satellite burning It certainly didn't show it burning up and breaking into pieces, which

would be very cool to see. Well, a movie is being made about the Betty and Barney Hill story, and our friend Bryce Zabel, who's been a guest on Open Mindes Radio a couple of times, he is the one who plans to make the definitive movie about the Hills experience and that's according to the Huffington Post. The film will be reportedly based on the book Captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience by Stanton Friedman and Kathleen Martin, who both

have also been on the show. There was an NBC TV movie about the Hills made in nineteen seventy five that started James Earl Jones exactly. I was gonna say, who is he gonna find bigger than James Earl Jones. This is like one of the biggest actors out there. How do you follow up James Earl Jones? And you certainly can't top his voice Jimmy Jones exactly. So I don't know. It's going to be a tough one. I feel sorry for the poor actor. Maybe they'll get Chris Brown or something that would

be obnoxious. Yeah, yeah, you can't tart top Darth Vader playing Barney Hill. Right. Have you talked to Bryce about this at all, because it's it's fairly recent news, and he's been talking about lots of other stuff. He's been excited about stuff that we're doing, of course, and we're excited about stuff he's doing. But I haven't talked about this topic in particular. I'm going to have to ask him because I'm curious to see if his his goal is to actually put it on the big screen. And I think

so. He's got so many irons in the fire right now. I know he's really working on this kind of All the President's Men type of thing for Majestic twelve with Stanton Friedman and all of these guys and well, it's supposed to kind of be like their lives, but more like All the President's Men, where they're looking for the info and talking the deep throat and all of that. So sounds exciting. He's a bit of guy magic men, magic

men, Right, there's a guy that bryce. Yeah, excellent. Well, I can't wait to hear more about that from him, because that'll be a cool movie if they get it. I'll go in the theaters and see that, Yeah for sure. Yeah. Well, Alla Hunter, you know that I am a web video enthusiast. I know that. Yes, I'm glad you know that because I talk about I don't tell you all the time what type of web videos that your enthusiastics. Oh, don't go there.

This thing on Well, the UFO Extraterrestrial theme is popular in Hollywood and we talked about that a lot, and we had one of our magazines about that. But now the theme is being utilized by a popular online entertainment network MACHINEEMA,

and they are mainly known as like a gaming company. They do a lot of gaming videos and things like that, but they're hugely popular, and they just launched a new web series titled Receiver and that's spelled RCVR and Receiver, with its stories of extraterrestrial encounters and cover up attempts by secret government will surely appeal to fans of shows like X Files. That's very similar to to

the premise of X File. Chris Atkinson's Atkinson of Real Seo explains that receivers are people who have been communicated to by aliens, possessing knowledge about things like complex math that they did not before. Machinema provides this description of the series. Receivers are humanity's greatest asset, and it's the job of Agent Luke Weber to track them down. In doing so, Weber is also tasked with conducting

one of the most important disinformation campaigns in American history. But the cover up is about to get even more difficult for Agent Weber. Dun dum Wow. Up until now, the UFO extraterrestrial theme has been mostly absent from the blossoming web video industry, but Machinema, behind this new Receiver series, means this theme will receive major attention in the web video world because Maschinema has one of the most popular YouTube channels, one of the most popular YouTube channels period.

I think they're like that, the number five channel, Real YouTube. They have more than fifty six million subscribers. Well season one, that's a few more than we have. Ours is pretty popular. But see and if you don't believe us, you can go to YouTube dot com slash open Minds TV and see we're pretty close to fifty six million. Whoa. But if you go there and see that number is not quite there, if you subscribe to our channel, it can help us. Yeah, get it that much closer.

But Season one of Receiver will consist of six episodes. New episodes we posted to Machineum's YouTube channel every Wednesday. Cool, it's cool, the next X files is online? How appropriate? I think so? And I should tell the audience for those people are saying, oh, Jason's gross, I was kidding, He's into the web video in general, just what is happening in the world of all web videos? What's gross about puppy videos? That's not what you were talking about. Oh, we watch puppy videos here.

They are pretty to everybody though, because they're extremely popular. Yeah, next to porn in UFO as they're probably next. Yeah, they have to be. People are all on the puppy watching puppies, dude, anything, Oh yes, and then after that probably the Simpsons. Yeah. Well, Alejandro, I have more news. You be ready for more news. I don't know if you saw this video, but a man in San Antonio, Texas, recorded a video of UFO two weeks ago from his backyard. He explained

to k e n S Channel five. First of all, no navigational lights. That's what got my attention at first. Then I started zooming in and started seeing the different configuration of the lights. The witness stated that he sees helicopters and airplanes above his house all the time, but what he recorded with his camera was something completely different. And looking at the video when they showed the zoom in, it looked like it looked like a triangle UFO and had

various lights on the bottom of it. It looked very similar to shape of crafts we've seen a lot before, and it was nighttime, he couldn't really see it, and you know, the camera wasn't that great. So I mean the video is interesting for sure, you can't really determine anything from it, but the guy was definitely very excited about it. But in this case, I thought that the news channel there, their Channel five, did kind of a bad job with the report. I don't know, we're seeing this

lesson less but it still exists. And they kind of made him look looney a bit. But you could tell he is a UFO enthusiast and I think he's recorded stuff before. But when they did the interview with him, they had him in a shirt that had an alien on it, and they interviewed him by his computer and he had an alien hat sitting on top of the monitor. I wonder, and you never know because some people don't realize that well, you know, don't wear the alien shirt. But sometimes that people

do that. But then sometimes when they come to interview you, they'll ask you to do that, right, so, and you never know. I remember one time, you know, I had this move on interview and they had me put all kind to paperwork and stuff out pictures of UFOs, which I did, and then he's like, well, can I get a video of the page with the aliens? And I said no, you know, really, that's not what this is all about. These are what people have

reported, but mostly we're dealing with with different UFO sightings. He's like, well, I just want to get it. Maybe we'll use it in the future or something. So he talked me into it. He filmed it. Sure enough. It's like a thirty second segment and that's one of the things they use. Noo, yeah, that was the thing they use the most. Look at this goofball. Yeah, exactly, Alejandro, this is an interesting story. Reuter's news partner The Rap published an article back in August but

an upcoming documentary titled Revelations of the Mayans twenty twelve and Beyond. The article reported that the Mexican government had released state held secrets about the end of the Mayan calendar to the filmmakers, and when asked if the movie would mention extraterrestrials, the response given by the filmmakers was simply, everything is going to come out in time, but I can't come meant on aliens or twenty twelve,

but according to a new article published by The Wrap today, this documentary will also provide evidence that the Mayans had contact with extraterrestrials. Raal Julia Levy, the film's producer, stated, Mexico will release cottices, artifacts and significant documents with evidence of Mayan and extraterrestrial contact, and all of their information will be

corroborated by archaeologists. Additionally, Luis Augusto Garcia Rossato, the Minister of Tourism for the Mexican state of Campeche, told The Rap this new evidence has emerged showing contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials, supported by translations of certain cottesses with the government, which the government has kept secure in underground vaults for some time.

Yes, the Guatemalan government is also involved with this film. While they aren't offering up any information about extraterrestrials, they are giving filmmakers access to previously classified artifacts and newly discovered prophecies. Guatemala's Minister of Tourism, Yermo Novilli Keezata, said his country is working with the filmmakers on this documentary for the good

of mankind. Revelations of the Mayan twenty twelve and Beyond begins filming in November this year and is scheduled to be released in theaters in late twenty twelve, but before December twenty First, I think that that's a good motivation for the good of mankind. I think that's the reason people should do things. So so that's what I do. Why I do everything I do while you do everything you do? All right, Well, I'm proud of them. I'll

argue with that on some other time. This one's interesting. I mean, I think it gets a lot of people exciting, and it would be really interesting to see some sort of extraterrestural connection with the Mayans, although the Mayans already do say, uh, kettil quattle came from this guy, so it'll be interesting to see this show. Of course, it's hard. Just because mythology says people came from this guy doesn't necessarily mean there was extraterrestrial interaction unless

you're on ancient aliens, right, everything seems to be extraterrestrial. But it's still of course, it's great, it's exciting, and of course if there's something new to come out, that would be really interesting. And it's interesting that what the heck are these governments hiding stuff for anyway, right, they said we were keeping some provocative information locked up. Well, I do that that's in underground vaults. Yeah, yeah, it seems kind of weird.

It seems kind of weird that they would have, you know, these artifacts that they've locked away. That's crazy, and that's really exciting that they're bringing out these artifacts they've never been seen before. That's very cool. Who knows what the extraterrestrial angle is going to be? I mean, bottom line is probably a publicity stunt for them to get tourism to capitalize on the whole twenty

twelve thing, which is smart on their part. And you know, these government officials coming forward, are there, you know, tourism people, So who knows, I mean, that's most likely what it is. We'll see what information comes forward. But the fact that they are coming forward and pushing the extraterrestrial information is kind of fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, We've been watching Mexican tourist information for a while because Mexico City their director of Tourism, Taljandro

Roso. But you are Alejandro Rojas. Well, there's many in the Latin world. I thought there was only one. Well you're wrong. In my world, there's only one, right, Well, Alejandro, one last thing I'll mentioned. Did you happen to catch Clifford cliff on The Daily Show? I did? That was a good, good, good laugh. It was very funny. Cliff is a funny guy, and we talked to him at Moufon in California about his appearance because as this was filmed quite a while ago,

and he's a funny guy. He's a good sense of humor, and he knew going into this comedy show that that's exactly what it was. And instead of being like some people who really fight it and trying to be the stiff straight guy and get upset at the jokes, he played right into it. He was a perfect guest and he handled it well. Yeah, he did a great job. He rolled with it, and I think he did a great job. A lot of people are out there, Oh how could he do that? He made move On look foolish, But I mean they

made just as much. I got more fun of NASA in this clip because they interviewed a NASA guy too. Oh the NASA guy looked. Yeah, they made Neat look pretty dumb. Yeah, he didn't have the sense of humor. Cliff ad so I thought it was really funny. It's great at least now people hopefully more people know about mouf on and are checking out their website, and that was Cliff's goal and going on the show. Yeah,

and you know, you can't always be just uptight about it. I think some of the guys are criticizing me to loosen up a little bit because it's like really upset. I agree, one percent. Agreed. Excellent. Well, all on Hunter. That is it for the news for today. Remember to check out all of these stories and many many more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you Leandro the Thank you,

Jason. A couple other stories going on on openlind dot tv. There is a petition go out there by Steven Bassett of the Paradigm Research Group to have Obama formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race. However, I did write in this story that I put on our website that there have been presidents

that have sought this information and they haven't had any luck. So I talk about allegations that Carter look for this information, what Bill Clinton has said about his search for the truth in this arena, and so you can look at that. I asked Stephen Bassett, you know, do you think he knows anything? And if he doesn't, do you think he'd be successful on getting some information? And Steve said that if he doesn't know anything, he can

very easily get the information. So hopefully he's right, but unfortunately I'm not so sure. Be great. Other news that we have up on the website are some of the stories that we're running. Antonio Huneez had done some research in the past of the Rand Corporation. This is a think tank that works for defense and the government on various different matters from politics to defense and all of this stuff. And he's got a story up on the Rand Corporation's involvement

with UFOs and it does go all the way back. In fact, the Air Force actually had denied the Rand Corporation had any involvement, but we do know that they helped out with Project Grudge back before Blue Books, so in the UFO investigation, so we knew that was a lie and over time, and this is chronicled in Antonio's story. You know, we found out more about rand and some of the UFO studies they did, which they did,

so it's an interesting historical story. We've got part one up and part two will be coming very soon, maybe tomorrow, maybe Wednesday, but soon. Anyway, that is what's going on on the website. Everything else we already covered and Jason talked about. He did a great job with the news. However, let us get to our very interesting interview with Stan and Lisa Romanek.

Okay, I am excited to have Stan and Lisa Romanek right here with me in the studio and we're going to be talking to some hybrid aliens. Hello. Hello, that was real enthusiastic. Hi Alejandro, you could say hi to Lisa. Hi. Ali Hondro. Do you get included in many of the interviews for a radio and stuff. No, this is my second one was the first one. The other one that I did, so I did cool, which is important. Having Lisa here is important for a few

reasons. First of all, because I understand, even if he doesn't admit it, I'm ready to admit I'm a space cadet and I never remember dates, let alone names. So Lisa is really good at knowing when h and what happened. Stan unfortunately gets the events confused. I do get kind of you know, forget what sometimes. So Lisa is definitely my memory. Well, it's hard to keep track. So much has happened, absolutely, I

mean really, I so much has happened. We don't There's a lot of stuff we just don't write down because it's not you know, I don't think it's as important. That's some of them as some of the your stuff, what to you is bigger stuff. ET's walking around in your yard, hybrid kids walking around, you know, contact CUFO, stuff like that that happens all the time. Although the UFO I saw yesterday with the director Phoenix, the director for Phoenix move On, was really really very impressive. Explain what

you saw. We were I just finished speaking at Phoenix move On and me and Lisa and the head of Phoenix move On. We're driving Jim Gym. Yeah, sorry, we're driving to a night watch and off to the south would be off to the right of the car, about ninety degrees up in

the sky was a it had to have been a mile long cylinder. It was up their ways because you know, I watched as planes were flying under it, and it seemed whitish, kind of bluish white, almost parlesson, kind of surrounded by prolessent light, and underneath was a row of red light. And I looked at it. I wanted to make sure that it was actually a UFO before I said anything to Gym, because it's, you know, the director for Phoenix move on. I didn't want to look like an

idiot, and then I showed him. Then he goes, oh my god, that's I've never seen anything like that. And then it literally kind of shrunk down really really fast to a small blinking light and then just vanished. So and you saw it too, Lisa, Yes, I did. What did you see? I saw the same thing? Anything different? When did you first notice it? We were driving up to the the SkyWatch. We

were on sixty what is that sixty sixty? We just call it sixty round here, okay, sixty, And it was right before we got to I don't remember the main it's at the Superstition Mountains. Yeah, So the same thing, only when it started to shrink down, it was like it went behind the cloud. It just got really faint and then it just shrunk down like it disappeared behind the cloud. It was just a small blinky light.

But there were no clouds, absolutely no clouds last night. Crazy. So now on average, I mean, you seem to see things quite a bit UFOs. You know, we all do. How many do you would you say you see a month? Oh, it slowed down quite a bit at first, we'd see I don't know, I wouldn't say a month. I'd say maybe, jeez, maybe a couple every six months at least. And Lisa, the first trip you took with Stan, right, you saw something

twos the first trip And when was that and where were you going? It was August two thousand and one and we were going to Pennsylvania and we were just crossing into Pennsylvania, went off to the left. I saw this like object in the sky and I tell him Stan and his friend Marker with us to look at it. And it was just like there. It wasn't blinking, it wasn't anything. It was just like a disc in the sky and

they couldn't see it. And then it just went from the left side of the interstate to the right inside of the interstate, just that fast, just

snap. It was there. Then on the way back when we were leaving three days later, we were I know what state we were in, but we noticed it off to the right side of the car again, so it would have been the north and it once we saw it, we of course were smart enough to think about it more, and we had binoculars, so we got it out and we could actually see that it was a silver disk.

No lights, no nothing, just a silver disc. And every time we try to pull over to like take a photograph or get it on video, it would disappear in the clouds. We'd get back in the car, get going again, over and over, it would just go behind the clouds and disappear. Well, these guys were driving like eighty five miles an hour,

hanging out both sides of the car. I was scared death. I mean this went on for two states, I mean, flying through these states, this thing in front of us. Well, and how long had you known stand by this? Were you married at that point? No? I

had known him for about a year. Wow, So right off the bat from knowing stand I mean, the rest we have, I mean, we've talked about you and your history with all of this on the last show, so people can look for that because this time I want to focus on the timeline now that we there's more of it, because there's a lot more of what seems to be interactions with hybrid aliens, possibly your offspring, which is

obviously pretty strange. But this started, I guess and correct me, you know, if if I'm off or I'm forgetting anything, it seems that this had started with the experience where you got to meet some of these these children. Well, I guess to begin with though, ever since you were being taken, you were coming back and blood was in your yarn when you'd return, or you would have blood on your your boxers and stuff. And unfortunately, you know, I had the wonderful job of being able to collect one

of your soiled boxers and put those in a bottle to be tested. That wasn't my idea, by that's just gross. In fact, we had to do it because you didn't want that to be done. Actually we had to do it kind of sneaky behind it, yeah, at least not get Yeah, usually when I'm taken, there's evidence, be it scoop marks, or I have a bloody nose, or I pea blood or something. And they were doing genetic experiments. I know they were there was evidence I remember doing

one of my abductions. They I'm always abducted with a woman. Every single time. Usually I was abducted with a woman, and for the longest time, it was always the same woman. And there was one incident where I after our abduction or introduction, or whatever you want to call it, we were taken to a room. And this room was it had some rows of I don't know, benches, I guess for lack of a better description.

And these beings brought these children in to the room, and there were various ages and various stages of development, and some looked more human, some looked less human. And these kids were just the most loving, adorable, sweet, just amazing kids you could imagine, I mean. And one of them came running up to me. I'll never forget this. One little girl came runing up to me and she grabbed my leg and held my leg and she wouldn't let go. And she was just like like you know, a child

wood to a parent. And I looked down and it dawned on me that these kids were our children. These were my kids. These especially the one hugging my leg, looked a little bit like me. She had that same kind of structure, but again they were not all human. I mean, especially in the eyes. This particular child, as far as the eyes were concerned, had extremely large, almond shaped eyes, and they were very very slanted, and they were a type of blue that I have not seen on

any human being. They were so blue they were almost violet. And I remember these beings were starting to gather up these kids. Apparently we had to they were taking us back or something, and these beings were gathering up these kids, and the first thing I thought of it, I've got to protect these children. I got to protect these kids. So I know took a stance and this one of these beings that they were to come near me, I would have probably knock them on the ground or something. And I remember

a thought just kind of popped into my head. They won't survive with you. You can't take them. They won't survive. And it dawned on me that they were absolutely right. So then I was taken back to a separate room with this woman and I was returned in Apparently they kind of were in a hurry and put me in somebody else's clothing, because I ended up wakingly

self wearing a woman's nightgown that didn't belong to anybody. So yeah, yeah, and your version, of course if this is really funny, so if you could tell what happened, well, when this was and what happened that night, I'm thinking February thirteenth, two thousand three, two thousand and three, Okay, yeah, and what happened, I mean he wakes up and until he's like three out to Lissa, and then what happened was I woke

up because I was just coughing. It's like I've had surgery before, so you know how when you wake up from surgery and it's like you've had the tube down your throat and it's just like really irritated and dry. And I was just coughing and I couldn't figure out why because I didn't have a cold. So finally I got up, went into the kitchen and got a drink. When I came back into the bedroom, Stan sits straight up out of bed and he's like, did they take you too? I'm kind of a

smart Alex. It's like, yeah, yeah, it took me to your weirdo crawled back up in bed, and he decided to get up and go to the bathroom because he was awake. Well, he didn't make it to the door. He just froze, and he's like, tell me, this is yours, Like, Stan, I can't see you. It's dark in here. Tell me it's yours. And I could tell he was starting to panic about something. So I still can't see. Turn on the light.

So he flipped on the light and I start laughing so hard because he stands standing in the middle of the room wearing a red and black flaid nightgown, long sleeved with mickey mouth on the pocket. Woman's nightgown. No men wear them too, honey, I don't know. Right's version a one size fits all woman's plaid nightgown which was tight on stand, which was hilarious himself. So we go through the process of, you know, trying to calm him down, trying to get up off the floor where I about, you know,

because I was laughing. I thought I was going to fall off that bed, so trying to calm him down. He starts crying and then he do It's just like he freezes. He's like, oh my gosh, there's something wet on the back of his nightgown. Because it finally had touched his skin and he's wiggling around, So it got even funnier because he's like grossing out, just get it off, get it off. So here I'm trying to pry this thing off of him while he's you know, six foot tall,

I'm five foot two. Not easy. It's like sit down. So I'm pulling it up over his head. He's freaking out to let it get on my hair, and then you know, it's like, what happened? You know? We had to call you know who we needed to call,

let him know, find out what to do with it. Then we started thinking earlier in the night, which Dan forgets about all the time, we woke up thinking there is a police car or an ambulance or something outside our house because they were like red like light flashing, flashing, flashing outside our bedroom window. And we both remember getting up going to the window, pulling the shade up. I don't remember, and nothing else. Yeah, that's

right, remember with me waking up coughing. So something happened and there was no police car out there. Good about that? Every single time? That's why you have me. Yes, we've got her here. That's interesting. I'm glad you're here. To share that because I didn't remember. I don't

even know if I was ever aware of that. Talk to me more so, Uh, how much of what you just recalled there with the interaction with those children is something that you remembered without the regression, because I know what Devor Lindaman did a regression of that. I remember seeing that. Was there any of that or that you did remember consciously remember more? Honestly, aleanro

I remember all of it pretty much consciously. The reason I did the regression is to substantiate what my memories were because I didn't, you know, being such a skeptic, you don't know if you're going crazy or not. And were these memories real? Was it something else? Was it something I saw on TV? You know, there's all these different things that could be. And I remember most everything, and my abductions, especially the first one, wasn't I always tell you the same thing. If you watch TV, it's

the sleep prolyssis stuff. You know. Maybe they'll stop doing that because it doesn't explain my first abduction experience. It doesn't explain Travis Waller, everybody in Barney Hills. But yeah, I remember I remember the children very vividly. I remember the smells, I remember the way it looked. I remember once they put us in this room, dreams started shaking, and we were it

seemed like we were moving or something. And me and this other woman were sitting there and the being came up and put his hand on this lit panel and it made the wall transparent. I thought he opened something and we were going to got to push us out, and right there we were at the bottom of a planet. And the planet had pastel rings in it, so I'm assuming it was probably Jupiter. And right there we were, right there at the bottom of this planet was this huge obsidian, black, obsidian looking

cylinder ship. And this thing must have been at least one thousand miles wide, at least five hundred miles at least five hundred miles, and we were accelerating away from it so fast it was, you know, this huge ship to a dot in a matter of seconds. And so this experience with the children was aboard like this little craft that was taking you from this larger mothership

back. It was before we went into that little craft, oh, before you went into it, because then after we after they took us out of this where the children were, they screwed the children out somewhere else and took us into this room and then the room started moving, and that's and then I woke up. You know, So as the timeline goes, I mean, and of course Lisa, it's likely here to make sure we have it

all right. But the next then event with a child was that? Then the party that we had for the book with that picture, Yes, and between then and what year was that? I mean, that was just a couple of years ago, two thousand and eight, two thousand and eight, so that's like five years had gone by without any real kind of child hybrid interaction going on exactly, or was it two thousand and nine? Probably two thousand and eight, that sounds right, because I moved out into Arizona soon

after that. I came out here mid two thousand and nine. We Lisa had a surprise book release party for me. I just became a number one author, and you know, she assumed me this awesome party, and my friend Mark was part of it, and I was clueless this whole thing. Well, so of a go and really enjoyed himself. He took us, I took me and my friend Mark went to a movie, came back and there are all these people and they said you're number one, and then I

cried. It was really very touching. And it was about nine o'clock in the evening and it was raining outside, and the party was just started to get going. And I looked outside, and we don't have any street lights on our block. Everybody just turns their porch lights on. And I see this little girl standing out at the edge of the driveway in the pouring rain. And I thought it was odd enough that she was out. I mean, nine o'clock at night. What parents in their right mind would let a

little girl out nine o'clock at night? And why was she wearing a jumpsuit, a great jumpsuit? And it was raining, and she was just standing there watching me in the rain, and so I went out to see if she needed anything. She ran away. Well, I was telling everybody about it, and they kept saying, you know, don't worry, it's a neighbor kid. And she showed up again, and the kids here, the kids back. Leave her alone, you know, somebody said, leave her

alone, She's just a neighbor kid. While she was staring at me standing again in the driveway in the pouring ring and went outside to see if I could help her or something, and she kind of just scurried away. I grabbed my camera. I had my camera with me, and I was using the flash as a flashlight to see where I was going. And she popped up from behind a tree and I got a picture of her. And I was so dumbfounded by the picture that I got. I don't even really remember

if she disappeared ran away. Watch she did, because I'm looking at this picture. And one of the researchers involved the case, and a good friend, Rick, followed behind me, go stand what happened? What's wrong? And I couldn't say anything. I was dumbfounded. I just showed him the picture and he goes, oh my god, you have to show everybody this picture. So he dragged drugged me back into the party was and there were how many people I think twelve people there, seventeen seventeen. There you go.

Oldro was one of them. Absolutely yeah, And you were there, so I remember, I'll recall what I remember of the picture, and then you know, you guys could tell me if you remember something different. But a really pretty girl with brown hair, a big forehead, it seemed like, and she had, like you said, these large almond eyes, almond shaped eyes there. That was the one weird thing about her. Two weird

things about her were her big eyes abnormally large. And the other weird thing was her expression, because she seemed very adult, and her expression, to me, it looked like an adult would kind of have this wry smile, you know, like with a child when they're when they're fooling with a child, or maybe the child a just viewing something kind of silly and and they're kind of making this knowing smile. That's what I remember, is that essentially

what you guys remember. I remember the eyes. The eyes were so huge and almond and you know, and they've got that slanted almond shape to them. And she just, to me, she looked almost angelic, like love was being emanated off the picture itself. And I'll never forget because we showed one of the scientists involved us my case that was there too, and he started crying. He was so touching Claude Swans in the end, you know,

I remember people kind of freaked out. Yeah, I just remember, you know, when you see that picture, it was just very impish, you know, she just like, you know, very Impush is good, okay, Impush is very playful, happy little thing, you girls, not wimpy, impish. And then what happened, Well, all of a sudden, what did you say? Everybody's telling me you got to put this on the strike you to the computer, because we got to get it on the

computer. Exactly, put this on the computer. Put this on the computer, and what happened would happen? Yeah, and it did happen. We got I got down the step just two steps, and all of a sudden, the camera went and the computer vanished. I mean not the yeah, the picture, the computer. It was magic. It just like the whole computer. You know it's still there. Yeah, yeah, you know.

I walked down the stairs, just two steps down the stairs, and also in the camera beaped and the picture vanished, and you know, everybody's gone to stand you did something? What'd you do? It's like I didn't. I was holding the camera and the palm in my hand, making sure I wasn't touching anything because I wanted to put it on the bigger monitor for the

computer, and it just disappeared on its own. And then just a few minutes later, a phone and it'll be me and Lisa's part, and then you can tell what happened on the phone, because I remember this part distinctly because everybody goes back to the room. Everybody's talking about, oh my gosh, what do you remember with the picture? What do you remember? And talking about the picture, some people being emotional. I just remember the women.

I don't remember. I didn't see Claude getting emotional, but that's kind of cute anyway. He was just on the show a couple of weeks ago, clude Swanson, and some of my listeners will remember him. Incredible show, great guy. And the phone rang, and I only remember me and Lisa really paying much attention to that because I immediately looked at Lisa, and

then Lisa looks at me, and you go and grab the stand. You went and grab the phone, and Lisa and I followed you very quickly down to the hallway that goes to your office where you took the phone call. That's what I remember. Do you remember that exactly? The family room and then the phone You had some sort of conversation that made you emotional and share what you remember? You know that was well, the phone rang, and

I still remember Lisa says it didn't happen this way. But I remember somebody handing me the phone, so I you know, I pressed the button to answer it, and there was a little girl's voice on there and it said, Daddy, I love You'll get to see you again sometime. And I couldn't believe it, and I just completely completely fell apart and started bawling. I can tell by Lisa's face that she remembered you were recalling it a little

differently before from art from our part. I mean what we heard from Stan was I love you too, and he just got real emotional and we asked him, what, who is it? What's going on? And he said it's my daughter and we're like, okay, so oh right, because I thought it was his utter yeah, his real you know, his earth daughter, right, And it's like, okay, so what's wrong. You know, we're worried that something happened to his daughter. And he goes, no, she said, daddy, don't worry. Oh yes, that's right,

don't worry. I'm okay, because he was worried about her being out in the rain. Then she said I love you and he says, I love you too, and then he started crying. Yeah, I remember feeling kind of bad because you were so emotional, and we're like that, but we wanted to know what happened, and especially Lisa, it's like, no, you tell us before you go up on your own. So but she didn't say it like that, but it was of course very persistent, and so

you shared just that, you know that what she had said. And then of course you couldn't hold back the emotion at that point, and you got real emotional and went to your office and I left you to be on your own because your number one. You know, I think Lisa tasty dain. Yeah, I see this amazing, this amazing child. You know, it's from something, and it brings it home, you know, it makes it

real. It's a real living being. It wasn't my imagination. And I think all that combined just kind of I just I lost it at that point. Well, we were all in shock. Yeah. But what I mean with confuses Dan is because Victoria actually got a call from the same child three days later, for about three days later, jobs saying calling her mommy and saying not to worry that she'll see her again. That's where I get confused.

Now, we gotta we gotta explain Victoria. I met Victoria at a talk I did in Colorado Springs, and she was working with Jeff Peckman doing the denver Et initiative, and she came to which started because of my experiences, basically came to see me, and he suggested that she go see my presentation, which she did and I recognized and I couldn't remember from where, and then it dawned on me, that's the woman. That's the women that I've been taken with all these years. And sure enough it ended up to

be the case. And we became really close friends, and she became close friends of the family. And yeah, so this particular little girl showed up and it was definitely one of the kids. So after like the period, the couple of days after that had happened, how were you feeling? I mean, how are you taking all of this in? I was emotional. I was conflicted because you know, even after all these years, I'm still kind of skeptical about certain things, and it's still hard for me to accept

certain things. That's just the way it is. And this was just one more bizarre thing. Could this be some kind of experiment to see if I'd freak out? Is this real? Is this not real. You know. I was excited, I was concerned, I was emotional. I started wondering if the children were okay, how they need to be with us. We need to protect them, we need to make sure they're okay. And that

kept going over and over and over in my head. How about for you, Lisa, was this Did you believe then, once Victoria had received that phone call, especially that indeed she was the mother of or involved with the creation of this hybrid child, that she was an abductee. I believed it before that, but yeah, just having the child contact Victoria and stand was very hard. You know. It definitely brought home that they had a connection that was going to be difficult to deal with. For me, most my

man take me and make hybrid maybe with him and me. No, I didn't care about that. It was just, you know, trying to get get through that emotional connection that these hybrid children were creating in my family with the stranger that had just come into our lives. So it was tough. Yeah. Yeah, And at this point then it would probably there's no way we're going to be able to go over all the different interactions that then have

started happening. But we could go over some of the bigger ones with seemingly these children getting phone calls, because then what started. First I think just getting lots of phone calls, and I think you guys saw more experiences than to phone calls. Then a big experience in a conference we went to where a bunch of people got to see these kids. Yeah, that is an incredible experience. Let's get into that. Then when when was this and and

then if you can recall what happened. Are you talking about the last one, the big one, the big one at the conference? Yeah, Well, we had seen two others. One was picking flowers and we caught her. One was looking in our window and we caught her, and then we got a phone call, got her and her No, well no, we caught her picking flowers and she took off. You and we you know,

I was taking pictures of the cats and because they were acting weird. And then all of a sudden, the little girls stood up from behind the grill. The grill was up at the back of the deck and there were flowers there. She stood up and I know she was holding flowers and she was

picking Lisa's flowers that she had planned. It's like a nosekiage in so much trouble, she took off out the gate and just vanished, and I didn't know I had captured a picture of her until after some friends came over and they noticed a bouquet of flowers on our doorstep that were left for us, and looking through the pictures, we saw a picture this this little girl. But then there was another situation where you know, they were I just got

a new camera and we were just messing around with a camera. It was dark out, and all of a sudden, I saw a movement now one of the windows, and I see this little kid running away. They call it crap, So we chased after her and she just disappeared. And looked at the pictures and you can see her looking in the corner of the window. Then we got a phone call, and it wasn't a phone call.

Then it's a weird ability to be able to interrupt phone conversations. And I was talking with another friend of ours, Heidi Sudani, and I don't remember what exactly we're talking about, but we've got we heard this little kid's voice. And so much stuff happens over the phone or just in general that you know, I mean it was your suggestion, keep uh, digital recorders with you and cameras with you and all that other stuff. So we all had

digital cam digital recorders with us wherever we go or whenever we're talking. And we heard this little voice and Heidi, I couldn't find my digital recorder. Heidi got hers out, and this little girl told us. There's nine of the kids, seven from the same to each one from different. And her name was Koma. She named herself. She said, my name's Kiyoma. And for Heidi, your daughter's name is Trilly. And apparently they picked on names. And you know, they were concerned about a conference that I was

going to go to and warn me just to be careful. And then all of a sudden, you know, as time went on, I had to do another conference and asked tech New Mexico. And I was talking to Victoria this time when we got an interrupted phone call or an interruption on our phone call, and we both had tape recorders, and we heard this low voice and screwed to get our tape recorder and Victoria goes or I goes this Kilma, and you can hear this little voice goes yes, And I thought somebody's

playing a joke. I goes, I think somebody's joking around, and Victoria kept wanting to know if I had my tape recorder. I said yes, and I said, she goes, can Kilma, can you hear us? Yes? And then eventually I said, I think somebody's just playing around. Somebody's joking around, and she goes, you're silly. This little girl voice goes and I said, Okay, if I'm so silly, if you really are who we think you are, then we're going to see you again next

time. She said, well, we might be able to see you next time at your talk, at your next talk, And so we were told that they might show up up to talk at that tech conference. Before we get into that, you went over a lot of stuff, and I was kind of smiling because I want to was he pretty accurate on all of that? Was already pretty accurate. Yes, we're not the footprints that we got molds of, but yeah, the girl in the window that we saw left

foot prints. But anyway, we went to as Tech for the conference expecting to see these children, you know, hoping to at least, and we actually drove out task Tech, New Mexico and we went we decided to save some money, and we kind of carpooled with Paula Harris and our friend Lucy, and everybody was expecting, you know, these kids just to show up, and they never really showed up, and I was getting really frustrated.

And it got to the time where I was going to be a speaker, and Paula was also a speaker, and she was speaking before me, and so I went. Our friend Lucy started getting sick, and so I took her back to the hotel and I went to get dressed for my talk, and I had just gotten back and I dropped my computer on the ground and I went to pick up my computer, and as I was bending down, I see this little kid come running up and I just see your legs.

I'm bending down and she kind of holds out these flowers and she goes he's her for you, and I'm still trying to fumble with my computer, and I grab them. I said thank you, and just then she says I love you and runs away, and I kind of look up as high as I could because I'm looking for the parents to find out, you know,

to thank the parents for letting their kid give me flowers. But there's nobody there and the kid's gone, and then it dawns on me, oh my god, this could be one of the hybrid kids that I heard about. Well, I'm looking all over the place and looking all over the place, and she's gone. So I come in and tell Lisa, and Lisa asks if anybody else ses her, and I said no, and then you know, we're just dumbfound it. So I'm trying to find other people to see

if they've seeing this child. And it's about time for it's getting closer for me to talk, and then I'll take lease, I'll at least to take over from here because somebody else shows up. So Stan was out wandering around talking and this little girl comes in. And at this conference, there was one child there the whole time, and she was the little mascot in an alien costume for the Aztec Library. She volunteered to do it, you know, just for funds. So you know, seeing this kid walk in with

Stan being the only speaker laught was kind of strange. You know, there'd been no kids, and Stan was headed back, walked right past her. She sat down and I said, Stan, take a picture of this little girl. I said, there is something strange about her, which is like a feeling that you know, I couldn't get close to her, but there was something very strange about her. She's weird looking, you know, just not homely by any means. She's very cute, but and wasn't she kind

of dressed strange. She was wearing a jumpsuit or something. It was like a gray sweatsuit kind of jumpsuit outfit. You know, it's like a two piece outfit, which is strange because we were in Aztec, New Mexico, and it was not cold outside. So Stan finally he's like, find whatever. She doesn't look weird to me, nothing strange, just a normal kid to click this picture down by his hip. So he didn't, you know,

slash everybody in the face in the audience and headed back. And then the child just got up and walked towards the front of the room where Paula was speaking. Sam was gathering stuff, you know, his computer, getting all this stuff ready to go, and in the meantime, the child had wandered towards the front. We've totally forgot about it, you know, just

like whatever, just get on with it. So then Stan went to talk and you know, he was talking about this child he saw the parking lot with the little pigtails down by her neck, you know, four or five year old kid run around with no parents. That's what happened. And then you know, I did my my my presentation, and I told everybody, you know, I did my presentation a little bit differently because I wanted to find out if anybody had seen these this kid that I saw in the parking

lot. And while I'm talking about this, I see this very tall boy walk in the back of the building, walk into the conference, you know, from the back, and I swear to god, this kid must have been at least almost eight foot. This mean he had to duck down. He was at least seven foot toll but eight but probably would have put he said through the tiles. He was very very well yeah, you know,

obviously over exaggerating, but he was a big kid. This kid was especially for his young and I could see him, you know, you know, all the way across. So when did you get the picture before your talk? Because you did get a picture. I did. I did, And like Lisa said, she told me to take a picture of this. She goes take a picture. I go, I don't want to. She doesn't look it, but she was in the dark. She had sat down with the rest of the audience and she was watching Paula Harris talk like she was

looking for somebody. And I thought she was just a normal kid. And I didn't want to interrupt Paula Harris's talk, so I put the camera down by my side to kind of shield the light a little bit, and I just took a quick picture to satisfy Lisa. And of course she looked really strange in the picture. She has these really big I mean her eyebrows go up. Yeah, her eyebrows like schull. It was like very high.

You could tell her a normal child. And during after my talk, we had witnesses come forward, one of which was a woman that said, this child actually came down and now her a favor and yeah, I want to get that's a really interesting story. Well, the woman's name was Linda, and after Stands talk, she'd come rushing back there. She said, it

didn't make sense, but now it doesn't have to tell you this. So she pulled stand away from everyone into the corner of the room and she says, the child sat down beside her, and she says, can I, you know, there's something I can help you with. And she says, I can't find my dad. And the girl's like okay, she said,

and the child says, can you give him a message for me? Chris Linda's like okay, I whatever, you know, whatever, I make this kid happy at this point, So she got a receipt and a pen out of her purse all she had for paper with an old receipt and started writing what this kid was saying. And she said, tell my dad, we're here. We're here to help earth. Tell least of my name is Surrey, and one of the boy's name is Nadu. Yeah, tell dad, one of the boy's name is nay Do, and that they lived on Unach

whatever that is. She didn't adorem, she did under half of it, couldn't sell half of it whatever, because she was like, this kid is just rattling. And she said, I I asked, who is your dad? And then the girl got up and walked out just out the side door. She was out and down the alan out. So and how old did this girl appear to be? Around ten? Wow, I'd say a little bit younger in that I thought she looked more like maybe eight and a half

seven eight, She says ten. Wow either way, I mean, that's but this this woman tried to describe, and what's interesting, interesting in and of itself, was the fact that this conference was held in a mason's lodge and this small town is really small, but there are almost three hundred people there at this topo were two hundred and like sixty people out and a lot

of people saw these these weird kids. And they described this kid as having a was our necklace, diamond shaped necklace on with tons and tons of uh uhs, like led light got hummed, and sure enough on the picture you can see it. And the woman said it was her eyes. She said, I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it with my own eyes. I also had the head mason come up to me, had tears in his eyes. Literally, he was a little weep because he was so frightened by

what he saw. I'd never experienced anything like you said. That girl was not normal. I'm telling you, I know what I saw. That girl was not normal. And then if you look on the picture, the researchers pointed out that she only has three fingers in that's it. Oh really, that's really strange. And and you do think that the description the lady who had talked to her gave was similar to the picture. Absolutely, she said gray sweatsuit, little, you know, triangle pendent stringing, blonde hair,

huge. I mean yeah, And when was that conference? I don't know. Wasn't it in May of two thousand and nine? Yeah? That was two because I think the book release was in May of two thousand and nine. Yep, so not much more than a year ago. No, a year and a half ago. And I we've already, wow, gone through a lot of time. But have there been any incidents since? Nothing? Nothing at asting with the children. We've had lots of their phone calls even

Wow, nothing. We found some weird ham prints on our window, but you know, I mean she had three fingers and thumbs. And you haven't had an abduction experience in quite some time either, huh No, I think goodness, yeah, because those are pretty terrifying a man, well, they are, and you know, some of them are abductions, some of them are call introductions, just because they're a little bit different. I think I've

had to reductions that were probably military or government or something. So it's interesting just getting back to the hybrids, that there was this window of a few years then of where somehow it seemed they were interacting with you and you that, I mean, that is very uncommon in the advection world that someone would get to interact with beings like this. And I think another interesting aspect too, is just like with a lot of your events, there were witnesses.

I hear that that's uncommon a lot. I heard that that those few words, that's uncommon. I hear that a lot. I mean my case is different. My case is different because most of the stuff that happens happens with witnesses. This was This wasn't any different. I mean, there were witnesses to these hybrid kids. Also, we just had something happen while we were here at the you know UFO, the mof on talk that I did they experience stuff in the house and you know, people saw that UFO. So

that's just the way it is around us. And I'm grateful though, and I'm sure releases because it makes it easier on me. Number One, I still am somewhat of a skeptic, and there's no way I would have come out with any of this if it wasn't for the evidence. I mean, that's that's the way it is. So I'm kind of the lucky ones.

I guess, So, why do you think your case is different? Do you have any sense of that my case is different compared to a lot of other cases because there is so much evidence, and I feel they give it to me. I don't. I mean, I don't do anything different other than I just have cameras laying around and sometimes it's almost like they wait for me to go get my damn camera or you know, wait for me to get the video camera. They'll just hang out and they wait for important people.

I'll never forget when I had my talk in Denver and to produce Her for twenty twenty was there, and her help her from Good Morning America was there. They were there when I saw the UFOs over the place I was doing the talk in Denver. You know, they got to experience that. They had. Some other stuff happened. There was an incident where you know, this radio show is really rousing me and telling everybody's full blownie. And I invited them up. I said, just you don't blame me, come

up. Well they did, and now they are my biggest supporters because they had experiences while they were at the house. Really, yeah, that's what I tell people. That's why I've gotten so many of my friends like Chuck Sukski or my cousin Jason involved, because it's like, look, am I being booled here? I'm missing something? You know, what do you think? And of course then they begin to also experience things absolutely, you know.

I you know, there's always going to be a skeptic. There's always going to be somebody that's telling you know, They're going to say I'm trying to pull a fast one or I'm full of blowney. But evidence speaks for itself. I don't have time to do this. I mean, do you how much money take to do this? For how many years? Now? And who would want this kind of attention? You know, look, it's a whack job that sees UFOs At this point, I don't care what people

think. I'm way past TUFO one on one. They can believe it or don't. I've got a message to you know, to spread and that's what I'm trying to do well, and let's get to that. In the last ten minutes that we have here is the message your talk. It seems like it's very important to you. It's added this section about what the message is. What is that that we have a choice. Humans don't understand who they

really are. Humans are greater than they understand. And you know, it seems like we're being controlled, and we don't have to put up with it anymore. We have these amazing abilities. We have this ability to change reality naturally, other things out there don't, and we can manifest what we believe. We ever notice how stuff in these old science fiction movies seem to have come true, Well there's a reason for that, because we are able to

manifest what we believe. So the people who control the human race and these you know, these wealthy elite, and some say it's you know, bad e teas. I don't know. I can't tell you for sure, but they understand this, so they try to keep everybody in fear. And by keeping everybody in fear, we manifest what we believe. So we're easy to control. But if we learn who we really are and learn the gifts we have, we don't have to We can create our own you know, Eden,

we don't have to be controlled anymore. All we have to do is think about love and caring and understanding and try to make the wars go away and try to stop the bigotry, and you know everything will work out. Now, A lot of what you said there is similar almost and for word, and partially because you've listened to the abductions a lot, but similar, I mean regressions, similar to the regression sessions you've had that seem almost like

a channeling. I know you're a little skeptical about this. How do you feel about the regressions? And then how do you feel Where do you feel what you just shared? Where did that come from? The guys up there taught me. The guys upstairs taught me that. And it's not just me, it's not just I'm not the only abductee that's getting this information. There is a war going on with the There's good and bad up there, just like there's good and bad here. And you know, it's it's just information

that's being kind of woven into all my experiences. That's what I'm learning, and that we have a choice and we don't have to put up with the bull crap anymore. And the other thing, how you feel about the information that comes from the regressions, What do you feel about don't j use that. I still have a hard time with that. I mean, I put the it's called the Ryan or Russians, it's it's going to be out soon. I put all those in the book. That's hard for me to it's

still hard for me to deal with. It's hard enough for me to have to accept that ets are real and UFO's have you know, are being driven by something and there's possible, you know, hundreds, if not thousands, of not millions, of different types of things out there. But then all of a sudden, I have to start dealing with this new age junk that I'm really not comfortable with. And Lisa laughs on me, but that's what it is. It's to me, it's like this new age hokey pokey stuff.

And you know, as you know, I had my first couple of regressions with a person named Debral Lindemann, and I relive stuff. But at the end of one of my at the end of my last progression with her, something happened where I was not myself and I don't remember, and my mannerism has changed, and I started talking different. You were there for of those recurs for just like half a minute, and she pulled you out of it. Yeah, she got, she got, she got kind of frightened

and pulled me immediately out of the regression. And then you introduced us to doctor Leo Sprinkle and he regressed us again, and this time it happened and he ran with it. And I thought it was under for only ten minutes, and I ended up being under for a couple hours and all kinds of weird stuff happened that I had to watch the video to see what happened because I didn't remember any of it. And then you know, at least and

you guys can talk about it because it makes me uncomfortable. Well, and just what's interesting is in when doctor Schmiker was doing that you, I mean you, he put you under and you go under very quickly, and once it's finished, you open your eyes and typically asked, did I go under? Or what happened? That's hought it fell asleep. So that's what it feels like to you. I mean, what is the experience like to you? When you sit in the chair he starts to have you go under,

and then what do you experience? I was, well, the first time it happened, I kind of remembered you know. At first I started talking about some of my experiences. I started having memories of my experiences. Then I honestly thought I fell asleep, and I was kind of embarrassed because I was hoping I wasn't snoring, and everybody's laughing at me. And then I realized thought I was under for just a little while, and somebody woke me up, and then I realized it was two hours or so. So for

you, it's almost like you're just taking a little nap. It's that particular regression. Yes, the ones that preceded it was different. I felt kind of drained, and I knew something more intense had happened. So now, Lisa, one thing I wanted to mention is another thing that's different, which is great about your case is one thing. Not a lot of up becties

have supportive spouse, absolutely, so someone who is. I guess Another thing is you're so prepared, I mean both of you two for these experiences and to kind of tackle them, to you know, record them, be prepared to record what we are now and to record the sounds and stuff. And so now you have a book coming out where it's from your perspective, Yes, and that what is What do you think is different about and special about

having a book from a spouse. I've never read a book written by a spouse of an upductee, So I think it's important that people understand what we go through, how we have. You know, the spouse of the abductee has to be very supportive, and they're not going through it alone. The spouses are being affected just as much as the abductee, the contact, the experience or whatever you want to call them, and some of the kids. You know, it's about the friends, the family, everyone involved. You

know, they all experience the fear. You know that's going on. But I think it's very important that other people understand that they're not alone. You know, these people who are sitting there like I'm just going to divorce this guy because he's not you know, he's crazy. He's coming back. He prob're out sleeping her house. Some chick, come back, tell me he's

abductive. You know, it's all the stuff that, all the anger and the frustrations that the spouses do feel, and they do think it, they're just too afraid to say it, so they make up some story and just say, you know, it's just too much. He's crazy, she's crazy, whatever, can't do it. And you know it's time for these people to stop getting divorced just because they don't know how to deal with it.

They're too afraid, they don't have anyone to talk to. You know, I didn't either, But you know, my book just talks about how to learn from those things that you've experienced and grow into understanding and and to let go of that fear so that you can move on with what you need to be doing, which is loving and how in how to deal with it. It's kind of like a self help book, but she's not, well, it's not. It's it's how to survive your spouse. Theduction that help book

isn't it self help spouses? That's a self help book? What would you call that? Then? How to Okay? How to book? That's funny. I'm glad you brought that up. Did you keep saying that? You keep saying it's not a self help book, it's a how to book? Another you know, when it wasn't twenty twenty, it was going to be twenty twenty, but it was some other NBC show, right, that was

a story in and of itself. Prime Time did a special and they made you come across as more of you know, a llay spouse who is standing behind her man. But they kind of also made it come across as you're having to take what he's saying completely on faith, which isn't necessarily the case. So because you had a lot of your own experience, it's right off the bat you saw at UFO, you explained at the beginning of the show. Yes, but it goes further than that because I get angry when they

say a spouse is the worst witness. Why because they think all spouses are going to lie since their husbands or wives are more believable. That's crazy, right, The spouse is the one who sleeps with them for eight hours a night, you know. I mean that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And it just oh well, as we can hear with the show, which is an important aspect. I think having you on is that you're not afraid to have a different opinion than standing. Oh, she has a

different opinion all the time, trust me. So he's saying, oh, I saw this and that, and you're like, no, I don't think that's what it is. You're not afraid to say, I don't agree that that's what that was. She does she helps, but she helps keep me grounded and she believed in this stuff where I didn't, So that helped me through this process. And you know, she will stick up for what she believes in. And I think that's awesome, and you know, we need

more people like that. Okay, So I have a question. Did I answer your question? Did I just get sidetracked with the man? You definitely answered the question. No, great, Thank you very much. You definitely answered the question, and you answered all of my questions so wonderfully. And now we are completely out of time. You both did. This was a lot of fun, and this is great. I think people are going to be aided a lot because, of course you have dout the hybrid thing is

pretty fringe. I mean it's pretty out there, but I mean it's something, it's real, it's happened. It's an interesting aspect of what happened. And here again there were other witnesses. What about this isn't fringe though. I mean, this whole thing is free and it's becoming more and more mainstream. But it happens. It happens all the time, and if people don't want to believe it. Well, I don't know what to tell them. Yeah, jumps, So get the book. Yeah, to get the books.

There's Lisa's book coming out very soon. Stan just talked about the Orion Regressions, which are the transcripts of the Regressions coming out. And then you also have another one coming out which is Explain that other one. This one is called Answers. It's a it's more than just a continuation of my book

Messages it. Actually they're giving me answers to questions and they're telling us basically, I'm learning who we are, who these human race is, and you know our place in this and how we can amazingly change quantum reality naturally so we don't have to put up with this bulk blowney anymore. So thanks for having us on the show. An Yeah, and there's one more thing coming up, which is these guys are filming us right now. Could a documentary

a documentary. There's a documentary, feature film or documentary coming out hopefully by next spring. We think it'll be out and they're filming it right now. And they were filled. They started filming at the move On Phoenix move On talk that I did and they're gonna follow us home and follow us around a while. And these guys are good guys. I'm excited to see this seven years in the progress and finally filming has begun. Yeah, I know,

it's very exciting. It's going to be great to have their documentary out so people can see what's going on. Yeah, they're called J three, a great bunch of guys. And you can check all of our facebooks because they're posting stuff on Facebook and they're going to be go to the website tracking on our Facebook and people can find out about all of this at Stanromaneck dot com. Absolutely on my website www dot Standromaneck dot com dot com. All right,

cool, well, thank you guys. Thanks thanks for having us again. Okay, excited about the film. Jthreifilms dot com is their website if you want to go see more about that. I think they've finished all of their shootings, so the documentary should be coming out soon. That's gonna be fun. Next week Michael Horn and the debate on Billy Meyer. Can he convince me back into the Billy Meyer camp? We shall see. Thank you for listening. Don't forget to check Openminds. Dot tv for the latest in

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