Ryan Sprague - Roswell: Mysteries Decoded

Hello, and welcome to Open Minds UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I have with me Martin UFO dude, Willis. Wow, I feel gratitude for that. Oh you like me in the UFO dude. Yeah, you know, maybe more privately, even you know out there in my field of uh of what I normally do. Oh, that's a good question. See, because you you do antiques appraisals, which is of course, so you go into these literally multi million dollar mansions or at times

these homes filled with historic artifacts collected by millionaires. I know you can't reveal some of these people, probably billionaires in some cases. So that's kind of an interesting group. So and then here you are the closet UFO dude. Has it ever been an issue? Have you ever like been outed or had an embarrassing UFO moment? I have, Well, I did mention on my show. At one point I had a I did have a very very well

suited job. It was a part time job worth really high pay and for what I was doing and only three days a week and basically representing a major auction house. And I heard rumor after they It's really the only time in my entire life that I've ever been let go of a job ever, and it was just say they just said that there wasn't enough business and there was a layoff type of situation anyway, So I found out through a colleague that

worked there. Afterwards, they said, in a roundabout way, you probably shouldn't have things out there on the internet about you and your your other hobbies. And I said the UFOs and they said, yeah, it's probably not a good idea. So I can't say for sure if that is what happened, but I will tell you that a few times out there in the job, even in a couple of really nice homes, somehow I felt comfortable with the people there and said, I also do something pretty you know. They

said, you must really love what you do, and I do. I do really love what I do, and they said something. Well, I felt comfortable enough to say, well, I also do something rather esoteric, and that's the subject of UFOs. And I will tell you that one person said they started to listen to my show, so contacted me. He said,

they're listening and they find it fascinating. And so I don't think it always, you know, is a negative thing out there, but I don't really talk about it in that, you know, in that field too much. M hmm. Interesting, but you're you're kind of then careful. You're like this double agent with the secret when you're going in in these places. I know that's right. Well that's cool. Yeah, yeah, I didn't realize that so much. But yeah, so we have a good show.

I should tell you who my guest is today. It is Ryan Sprague. You may recognize him if you've saw the which I told you guys to watch. It was your homework to go watch on the CW Roswell Mysteries Decoded, which is a show that I was a consultant producer on, so I helped them. Actually I helped really kind of guide the overall content and Ryan was the host in it, so I had a part in getting to choose, you know, the talent. So that was really cool. So Ryan Sprague

is in the show we're going to talk about. We actually got to do a lot of catching up on some of we haven't This is the first time we've talked after the show aired, so we got to talk about what we thought of the show, maybe things that got left out that we thought were interesting and in fact you know, one big point for me was to get

across the fact that Roswell was a cover up. We know this by fact the airport has even at the airport, the Air Force has even told in their first report on Roswell, it says in there that the weather balloon was a cover up story. Of course, they did not say it was aliens, so I'm not saying it was definitively aliens, but we know there was a cover up. Why is that important? Because you know, people who believe in this cover up or that there's some sort of conspiracy with Roswell are

often ridiculed even in the mainstream media. And it demonstrates how the Air Force often creates their own problem in the UFO topic and others when they are deceptive, which unfortunately often they are. They feel often that it's easier it's better to lie to keep certain secrets than to tell the truth. And sometimes they may be lying to not necessarily cover up aliens, but it still creates this perception that there's some major secrets or something going on. So they kind of

create their own problem. And so that's why I felt that was important, something important to show. And then two avenues of investigation, ongoing investigation in the Roswell case, or the other things that we took a look at. And I feel that's important because just to show the case is not closed. There are still some avenues where discoveries, potentially bombshell discoveries could be made. So it's still an open case. And that's why it's relevant to this day

because some people ask, I'm still he tired of hearing about Rosewell? What we hear about Rosewell? Well, because something important could potentially be discovered at any moment, and we show you on the show two areas of investigation where that could be the case. So wow, well there's maybe only like one or two living witnesses are left at this point. You know. One of the questions I've always had about Roswell is after mac Brasel found the debris,

and and why did the Army Air Force say anything at all? They could have just kept it quiet, and you know, for them to come out and say, you know disc found or you know, crash disc found, whatever it was, the flying saucer, why did they do that? That is the biggest question mark I have about Roswell. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. I think you make it, make it go away. Yeah, you make a great point. They created again their own problem.

But that's what's really compelling because besides being a cover up, they're the ones who released the press release that said we found a flying disc. So why did they do that? The person in charge was a colonel I can't remember his name right now, Blanchard, Colonel Blanchard at the base. It was he who ordered the press officer to send out that press release. So some people have wondered, well, did he get in trouble for it? No,

there's no indication that he got in trouble. Not only that he continued on to have a very successful career. And if I'm not mistaken, he actually retired a general so he Yeah, so he was an important person. In fact, I'm looking that up to yeah, William Blanchard myself. Yeah he actually, uh yeah, I was trying to look for you too here. Yeah, he retired in general your career, Yeah, so Inspector Jim

Vance. That's that is pretty That's another curious thing, is Yeah, so he didn't get in trouble for putting that out, even though obviously has caused him some headache. Now again, once again, you know, to remind people. The day after they released that press release, they released another one with these photos of of Roger Raimia General his superior officer, with weather balloon

material and Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who found the material. They took photoshop or photos with this weather balloon, and that was sent to the press that oops, we made a mistake. It was just a weather balloon. And then the story was gone, and it wasn't a story until about nineteen eighty when the first book came out. Then it started to become popular. So you know, during that time is when Blancher's career progressed, and so

it didn't really wasn't a big problem for them at the time. But yeah, he didn't get in trouble for that and his career continued. So that's I think another really compelling part of the mystery. If that didn't happen, if they wouldn't have sent that press release. Really in the late seventies,

it was Jesse Marshall's testimony that broke the story open. So it would still be a story, but it might not be as big of a story now if that press release hadn't had happened, because that's a very spelling piece. Yeah. Yeah, and that makes it carry on, you know, when you can look back and actually see that. Yeah, that's a really good point. It's a really good point. What do you think aliens at Roswell on the spot? Wow? You really did aliens? Huh hmm. Yeah,

I don't know. You know, I've heard so many arguments and interesting ones too that I just I just don't know. You know, the part about the caskets and the small bodies and stuff like that, all that stuff is really compelling if it's true. Well, I have a story out about that actually that just came out like yesterday. This is related to the Roswell New Mexico television show, and so I wrote this for Denn of Geek and saying, hey, you know Roswell, this new show on CW is referring

to, you know, aspects of the real UFO incident in Roswell. And essentially the gist of the story is how did Roswell get its alien reputation? So I look at why do people think there are aliens? And we know why they think there's a crashed UFO, But what about this body thing? So I get into that and I got to say the alien stuff is much more dubious, but there actually is a little bit of room for investigation there too. Well. You know, as as mentioned many times, the fact

that the Air Force said later that it was crashed test stummies. I mean they could have just said no, they didn't have to admit anything. And of course the crash test dummies came out years later. They didn't even have them in nineteen forty seven. And you know, it's just another situation where it's very it's very obvious. It's a cover up, yeah, of something what I don't know, and we may never know. I think the records

could be lost and gone. We may never get official records. That's why some scientific investigation or more forensic sorts of investigation may prove to be the avenue that shows us more. And that's kind of what we're showing in the show. So yeah, people have to check that out. But why don't we go ahead and get into UFO news for the week. What do you got for Bete? Well, I think this is really interesting and this is about Harry Reid, Yes, yeah, And the title is Harry Reid is pushing

for more UFO research. This is on a website called roll Call, and it is really interesting. So former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is lobbying his former colleagues he's retired to do more study of identified unidentified flying and here's a quote from him. I personally don't know if there exists little Green men or other places. I kind of doubt that, but I do believe that the

information we have indicates we should do a lot more study. So he also says another quote here, we have hundreds and hundreds of people that have seen the same thing, something in the sky. It moves a certain way. And uh, this was from an interview on k n p R. So actually this was he was calling someone right after that. He said he was going to call a member of the Senate and an hour or two after this interview, and that he wanted them to actually really, you know, look

into this. And they speculate in this article that it might be the minority whip, Richard J. Durbin, a Democrat from Illinois, and he is the ranking member of the Defense Appropriation Subcommittee. So another quote here is what we have found in the past is that these pilots, when they see something strange like this, they're prone not to report it for fear that the bosses

will think something's wrong with them and they won't get a promotion. He said, so many times, they don't say a word to anybody about these strange things. Good point, hi, isn't it. I think that is an excellent point. You know, That's a point that I make all of the time. And you know it kind of is counter to this argument of the Grand Conspiracy, because what I find, and I think what many others find when they actually talk to military witnesses, is exactly what Harry Reid just said.

You know, a lot of people are too shy, they don't want to report it, and I think they I've heard Mark D'Antonio uses this term nate log it and dog it, meaning you know, make a note, but forget about it. We won't do anything with it. And so that makes a lot of sense. Even in this NIMTZ report, this one that was leaked by George Knapp, that was written by the military for the military, they talk about the extreme ridicule these pilots faced when they when they landed

back aboard the NIMTS aircraft carrier after essentially chasing a UFO. I think it's you know, this immature, kind of macho thing that guys do. I mean, you're not going to see people tease each other more than in police stations, fire stations in the military, and I think it's kind of it's kind of like a bonding thing for guys, but it gets kind of it gets to the point where when people are uncomfortable with stuff, they just kind

of make fun of it as opposed to taking it seriously. And so you can see some people were very upset, some of the pilots, even from the ridicule they faced in the Nimetz thing. And so that's an example of I don't want to face that kind of ridicule. I'm not saying anything. And I think that's what happens so much, which hampers this information gathering and then limits the amount of information the government may have then if they're not really

getting good reporting, right, Yeah, right, very interesting. I listened recently to another David Fraber's interview on a on a fighter's a uh what's it called. I'm trying to make the Fighter Pilots podcast, and so he was in a whole different forum talking about this sighting. He was talking to another a pilot and uh that you know, was totally skeptical of UFOs and it made for a very good interview. It was really interesting to listen to. And he did talk a little bit about uh, you know, more or

less the locker room talk about it afterwards. But how many times he was contacted and and then he you know, the more recent contact that he has had and since that article came out, you know, December of last year, he has been contacted by everyone around the world. It's it's pretty crazy. His mailbox is full all the time and and people call all the time. And yeah, so a lots changed for him. Yeah. Wow,

Yeah, that's pretty cool, pretty interesting. Yeah, that that and it's really cool that these pilots had him on to talk about this, Yeah, because I think it demonstrates what we do also here over and over again, is that pilots and people in aviation are very interested in the UFO NOMA. They just don't share it. They don't They try to keep that kind of hidden for credibility issues and stuff. Again the same issue. Really Yeah, so that really has a big effect. And I think, you know,

maybe we are seeing a slight change in that. I hope we are. And uh, you know, maybe Harry Reid can actually help a little bit with that as well if people listen to them. M h. I hope so as well. And I gotta let people know just to plug it, because I think it's a really good resource that. You know, we have our Open Mind UFO news group on Facebook. It's a closed group, but

you just have to ask to join and we'll join you. It's really close, so we can kick people out, and but we don't do that arbitrarily, just to kick people out that don't have a similar opinion. Uh, it's just people who are being mean. You know, that's not conducive to a good conversation. We just want to keep conversation flowing and more than welcome. And there's a lot of debate that goes on, including people who have

different views than I do. But uh, you know, as long as we can debate civilly, you know, whatever your view is, it's fair to have an opinion and to be respected for that and uh, and to be able to discuss respectfully and disagree respectfully. So yeah, I find it very good. Actually, there's some real thinkers on that Uh, there are on that Facebook page. That's another big advantages it's a good little think tank

to bounce things against. And uh, and it's fun topics like lazare because there's so many people on either side and so you have these interesting discussions on

either side going on. Uh huh, So you got another story, Well, I do want to talk a little bit about something that came up on your on your Facebook page that we're talking about, and that's uh, this is from filmmakers that presented this on YouTube raw Footage, and it's titled raw Footage which finally released of exclusive jaw Dropping UFO and uh, it really is quite compelling. Is that the Utah One? What's that? Is that the

Utah One? Yeah? Yes, yeah, Antonio, being the great guy he is, he actually came up with this really good, you know, explanation for it that makes total sense, and that is a hawk or a falcon is chasing a drone And huh. I've had people contact me in there that they say, you know what, I've watched this thing for it three or four times, and I think Mark is right. He said, I hate to admit it, but Mark is right. Well that's how I feel every time, But you know, every time, that's how it turns out.

I'm that got been able to get him. There's maybe one that I'm not so sure or no, there there are a couple that I'm not so sure, But for the vast majority, it is like, I hate to admit it, but I think he's right. I did not see that, because I did comment on that, and I said, oh, man, I can't wait till till Mark takes a look at this to see what he thinks, because I thought it was interesting video and was curious because you definitely see an object zipping through and it makes a turn, and it is a

drone that is capturing this this footage. So yeah, that's an interesting possibility, I think, especially because this thing is small and towards the ground. Yeah, not that high in elevation, right right, This is you know, the end of his conclusion here is as the object passes the camera, it would be fairly close to the camera. A hawk or falcon could be missed until review, rather than easily in other words, up the person filming

may not have actually seen it at the time, you know. And at the very end, he says, I'm not debunking here, just offering a cautionary note, but I do believe he's right on this one. Yeah. Interesting. You know on a note too of the UFO group is there's a couple pieces at least. Yeah, well, there's a couple things that you're going to find there that are not necessarily in the mainstream news, although one is, but this one's not. And this is the kind of thing you

can find too, because mostly I tried to stick to news items. I mean, it's called that's what it's for. But people do discuss other things or posts like videos that are interesting like that. But this is a good one from the website UFO Scientific Research Keith Basterfield, and he's got this article documents located from that nineteen fifty five secret UAP study by Douglas Aircraft Company. So this is very interesting a UFO investigation that was conducted by Douglas Aircraft Company.

And he's got a story on that with all the documents linked in there and shown for you. So, yeah, this is really interesting. I haven't had a chance to go through it, but I know he's a great researcher, and so that's something you can find on there, and you can also find I'm looking here through it the discussion where Larry King had Bob Lazar and Jeremy corbel on recently. So, Larry King, you may not be aware of still doing a show. I don't know, if it's just YouTube

based what I had no idea, Yeah until I saw that. Yeah, I always liked his attitude about UFOs. He really had a fascination with it. Yeah. Yeah, pretty cool. So that also happened in the last week. So there's always some interesting movement and some interesting things going on. Huh, that's right. That's the world we live in today, sir, that is the world we live in. So that's it for news, I guess unless you have something else that you could talk about in about thirty seconds,

Uh, you know, nothing that I can think of. I did watch the movie that you have that you're talking about here, the Roswell What is it called Decoded? Yeah, Mysteries Decoded. Mysteries Decoded, and I thought it was pretty well done. It was very interesting and I found out some things by watching it that I had not known before, So it's definitely

worth watching. Good if you haven't watched it yet, that is good to know that you learned something you didn't know, because that's the whole point education. Well, thank you, so much for joining us, Martin, You're welcome as always, sir. Let's go ahead and take a short break and we'll be right back with our guest, Ryan Sprague. I am here with Ryan Sprague. He returned to the show. Hello, my friend, Alejandro.

How's it going, man, it's going well. So we've actually been because this is our first time being able to talk post a show from the Roswell Mysteries de coded and so we just spent like forty minutes. Yes, I know we should have been recording, but no, we'll leave that for the Patreon. How's that sound? Yeah, although some of that conversation was off the books, off the records exactly, Yes, as it often is. But no, it's been a whirlwind of a week, I can tell

you that much shame. I'm sure we'll get into that for sure. Yeah, for sure. So I guess, first off, what's your overall impression? What is Are you satisfied with the show? I'm very very satisfied. I mean, going into the project, you know, which I have to

tell your listeners was almost primarily doing part to you. You reached out to me and said you had this amazing opportunity to work with you know, a television network on something, and I'm always willing to do whatever I can to represent the UFO topic in a legitimate fashion and get it out to the mainstream. So I was super excited about it. You know, Roswell is that that case, that carrot in front of us that always dangles, and I

was ready to start running after it. I never thought I'd have that opportunity to really really investigate Roswell. I thought I'd always be on the sidelines, armchair research doing it. So I was very excited when the opportunity came. You know, we did it. We did the investigation. It aired this past week, and I'm extremely happy with it, no matter what other people

might think, like this was a solid investigation. We didn't really know what we were getting into, as many UFO researchers don't when they start looking at Roswell, and it was a wild ride. And I think we're only starting. Yeah, I hope so. And I think it's important for people to know too, not to make excuses for the show, because I think it doesn't even show actually is that there was an extremely short timeline that they had

to shoot this, so it was only like a month or two. In fact, you know when did when did you do the bulk of the shooting? So we did the bulk of the shooting probably about a month ago. I'm not and it's already out. That's crazy, It's insane. You know, some television projects you will last forever and you think it's never gonna come out, or you wait to hear from someone in three four, five years past. This was lightning around UFO Television. It was a marathon. Man,

I'm not gonna lie. There were times where I never thought we were gonna get it done. And that's not in part to the production company or the network. It was just how do you investigate Roswell a seventy two year old case that has mystified people for so long? How do you do that in like a month when when you have to bring it to the network,

deliver it and say here's what we got. So we tried our best, and like I said, for us, it's only the beginning, and I hope people enjoyed it, and I hope they want more because I'm certainly not done investigating Roswell. I feel like it's it's only open pentor his box for mem h and one of the cool things about this which I love is that the investigation was allowed to go wherever it would go. And some people might be thinking, well, of course, you know all the shows do that,

but they don't. They're usually full of it. They're usually scripted, and it's often the producer who's like, Okay, here's how we want it to end before they even know all of the information, and then they massage it, usually fictionalizing things to like Hangar one the first season, especially to fit what they wanted to say, even if the facts don't align to that,

which was so frustrating, especially with Hanger one. Sorry for bashing Hanger one, but that's what it did, I mean, unfortunately so but this show was not like that at all, and you can tell obviously because the conclusions weren't that conclusive. They just lent us more mystery. Every person I talked to who watched it and reached out to me, which I'm extremely appreciative of and will to talk to anyone about what we did, what didn't make it in, what did make it in? Uh Yeah, Everyone's like,

wait, that's it, Like when's the next one? And I keep telling them tell the CW tell, CWC you want to if you want us to do more like we want to do that, we've only begun. And you bring up a good point not to bash on any other UFO television shows. They are often very scripted. It's scripted reality television, no matter what anyone thinks. Every reality show you see on television has elements of script to it. There has to be it's there needs to be an arc, there needs

to be a story, There needs to be somewhere you're heading. Otherwise no one's going to really watch. That's just the way our brains work and how life works, you know. So at least with this, the words especially and even where the investigation was going was not scripted exactly. We were never told, you know, this is what we're doing. We want this conclusion.

No, we went along. I forgot the cameras were there most of the time, to be honest, man, I mean so in terms of that, yes, we knew we were going to be talking to certain people like that's just the way it is. You need to schedule things, you need to negotiate with people about what they want to talk about, what they don't want to talk about, and sometimes that changes even when you start filming, we had some revelations that we weren't planning on covering that that happened while

filming. And again this I have to point out Morning Star Entertainment who produced this show. They were amazing and gave us so much space to explore and do what we do best, and that's investigate, and they kind of just step back and let the cameras roll and see what would come out of it.

Now, when I first, because I got to I'm a consulting producer for the show, so essentially I got to direct the original investigation and there were three elements I wanted to demonstrate prove this was a cover up, but also look at two areas to where there is ongoing investigation to show why Roswell is relevant. Why could some people are like, it's so old, why do we keep talking about it? Well, there's still investigation that can be

done. So we look at these potential medals and I think that's a great part of the show. Now they're educated about how there could be scraps out there that might be analyzed and prove that there was something mysterious out there. And then that photo analysis. Some people are aware that General Raimie the general ahead of essentially that the Roswell Army Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas.

They took some press photos with this alleged with the weather balloon, which was not what they found in the desert, but they were saying it was. And he's holding this memo, and I think that over time, you know, the more we examine that memo, it might be at least even the show got into there's some weird stuff in there. So it's another avenue of investigation that hopefully will bear some fruit in the future, I think so. I mean, in terms of the memo, the Ramy memo, We're

definitely not done with that. We're definitely not done with these materials that Frank has brought to us. We still have tests that need to be done. For anyone who may have not seen the show, you can still see it right now. It's streaming for free on the CWC Shameless plug. But that being said, we're not done. And that's all I can tell people is there's so much to still be tested. We want to go back to the site with Frank and if people don't know sort of how that all came about.

Frank is a geologist in Roswell. He was able to sort of triangulate where he claims the actual Roswell crash site is. And that's a big part of our show too. There's so much contention where the actual thing happened. I mean, there's fifty different places where people claim this happened. But Frank

brought forth very convincing data to us of where this happened. I know a lot of people have been out to the you know, the placard the memorial out there in Rosbo that says, you know, this is where something crashed in nineteen forty seven, and people go there and they say, okay, cool and they drive away. That being said, the actual crash site is

like one hundred miles from that memorial. So we were able to actually go out to where Frank believes this happened and where he found the metals, and that was a big moment for me, stepping on what could be the actual place where this thing made impact and crashed and was eventually covered up. So yeah, so there, I mean, and that there's a scene where you all are in Frank's lab and he's using I don't even understand the technology that

blew my mind. He's using some kind of thing that can demonstrate what water will do. I didn't get it. It looked like some futuristic like something you'd see in Star Wars three D hologram type of deal. What's that thing? Yeah, So it was basically, in the simplest of terms, it's like an augmented reality sandbox. This is, you know, pretty leading technology right now where you're able to basically program algorithms that can determine what would happen

when you do certain things with weather conditions. I mean, Frank is a earth scientist, a geologist, so he has this algorithm set up where he can determine where rainfall is going to occur in Roswell or across the world. He even does this in terms of like seismic activity with earthquakes. It's astounding what you're able to do with his technology. So he implemented his work into

investigating Roswell. He was able to use satellite imagery photos of this area in Roswell to triangulate where the crash happened, and he put that into the augmented system and was able to determine certain rainfall in where it would land in that area of the crash. Site. So what did he do? He found where the rainfall was. He went out to that area and that's when he started digging and metal detecting and actually found materials. It's astounding to me,

m h, really cool. And the show was put together so shortly and everything that there was only one real test that was able to be done regarding like what the metal was made up of and that he found, and it essentially showed these metallurgists weren't able to really add anything to the mystery, but they in that, you know, they were able to. Essentially, it just means that more studies have to be done. Yes, the case was

not closed on that one, nor on the photo. However, I think that the show without getting into details, so people watch the show from Jennifer's perspective the other house, we should probably talk about her. You know, some pretty interesting and compelling information that even she is someone who looked at it for the first time, could see. Yes, Jennifer my investigative partner in

this. I couldn't have asked for a better partner, to be honest, you know, when I first met her, you know, maybe veteran investigator, you know, certified and done things that just blew my mind. When I heard about it. I was very intimidated. Like, here, I am this like little uphologist going out there, excited and giddy to investigate Rosan. You are literal little compared to her. She's very tall. Oh my

god. Yeah, a lot of people pointed that out. Yeah, I'm like Tom Cruise, they got to put me on like a would in great or something next time. But she's a tall woman too, so obviously I was a little intimidated when they brought her in. And she is a skeptic, which is essential for a UFO show, no matter what anyone says,

we need them. And I'm very skeptical myself. And you know, I was worried when this project first came about they were gonna paint me as the crazy eufologists, like he believes everything's alien, and for anyone who knows me or listens to my show or anything, they know that's not true. The extraterrestrial hypothesis is one option when it comes to UFOs, one that's it. So I was very happy that they didn't paint me that way. Again,

I trust the production company and the network to not do that. And yeah, it was great to have those debates with Jennifer throughout the investigation, and both of our perspectives changed drastically throughout the investigation, and so it was a good back and forth. I mean, she was a good skeptic in that she she came across very well as credible and curious and open to, you know, discovering things. And so that's what I like about the show.

And I mean people may or may not. People have heard me complain and heard me complain with other people on the show about doing television, how you never know what you're going to turn up with, come up with, and and we'll talk about our own criticisms what we felt maybe could have been done better, because of course we do think that. But overall, to have a company that's willing to do the investigation and then let it let the chips fall where they may, it is really it's rare to find. So Morning

Star is great in that respect. I'd have to again, you and I and everyone else are the biggest critics when it comes to entertainment mixing with ufology, and I completely understand that. But my only argument to that is the entertainment industry has resources that a lot of us UFO researchers don't have access to things we don't, so if we can work in tandem with them and keep

it as factual as possible, that's all we can really ask for. So if a TV opportunity comes about and says we want you to go to the ros crash site, what am I gonna say? No, I'm not gonna go out there. Of course I am, and I'm gonna fight and struggle to keep things as authentic as I possibly can. When it comes down to editing and what makes it onto TV. That has absolutely nothing to do with me, unfortunately, But I was very satisfied with the overall product and I

can't wait to see where it goes next. What are you bummed that didn't make it? What was? Was there anything missing? Yeah? I mean there's always you know, people don't realize it was a like forty five minute special or something. We probably shot. I can't even tell how much footage we actually shot things that didn't make it in. That's just the way it goes. But you know, there were several things that I noticed didn't make it in that I was kind of bummed about. I don't blame anyone for

it. There were we went to the Roswell UFO Museum, the International Uphone Museum, which was, you know, the mecca for me. Obviously we filmed the endless amounts of files they have there. I wish had made it in it's astounding. There were affidavits, signed affidavits by officers that really stunned me that I personally had never read. One was from an officer who was on the plane that brought the wreckage, you know, shipped it over.

And what I found really compelling about that one that I stressed was while the plane was in the air with the wreckage, the photo op was being done with Jesse Marcel with the weather balloon materials. So again you know, where was everything shipped in bit and parcel, and some of it didn't make it there for the photo op possibly, But I found it very interesting that most of the wreckage was still in the air while what we've pretty much proved was

a staged photo op occurred. So that one really blew my mind and showed me there's definitely a cover up going on here, and that's not surprising, and it's frustrating because we know that happened. Like if you read Rupelt's book, the nineteen fifty two incident in Washington, d C. Where famously General Samford came out and said gave his analysis of what happened. He made that

announcement before without even asking the status of the investigation. So it was an example another example where they don't care what the investigation, where the investigation is going. They want to tell the public how to feel about this. Before

it was regardless, which is frustrating and straight deception. It's deception, and it's you know, it's the it's the Condon Committee, and it's the Robertson pedal, and you know, this was kind of an earlier inception of that, and the cover up is there, and it's vast and it's big, and you know, we talked to Barbara at the Roswell Daily Record, the current owner, and I was bummed because we interviewed her her you know, members of her family were in the military, so they were involved with this,

were part of recovery teams, and they were never told what they were cleaning up just to clean it up, which is very interesting. One of the things I'm super bummed didn't make it in is everyone knows the Roswell Daily Record headline, you know, the RAAF captures disc in Roswell region retracted the next day. What a lot of people don't know is there was another newspaper in Roswell at the time that actually covered this before the Roswell Daily Record.

So while the Roswell Daily Record headline was given to them by the military, we've learned, uh, and then retracted the next day, there were other newspapers covering the Roswell event. It wasn't just the Roswell Daily Records. So that blew my mind too. Yeah, it is there were papers out there. Yeah that is funny. So uh yeah, that is unfortunate it didn't make it in and and there were other things. So for instance, the

cover up. Uh you know, I did a little YouTube live the day after the show aired, just so I could solidify our point because when I met what I meant by proving this as a cover up, and and why I love to do that, is to justify people's suspicions because there was a cover up. So and we can't you know, the Air Force and in that sense kind of created their own problem. How do we know this? If you go to the Roswell report to go the Air Force came out with

a report about Roswell. By the way, it's a ridiculous investigation. I'm even skeptic. I'm not one who's like a big Roswell believer. I don't know what happened out there, but this investigation was a joke. They didn't even talk to primary witnesses. But they did talk to this scientist with Project Mogul who said, yeah, it probably was a Project Mogul whether or you know, balloon device. But he said, what's in those photos that the

General is holding is a common weather balloon that's not Project Mogul. And he said it looked like General Raimie came up with a cover story. And then the report goes on to say that it does look like General Raimie for some reason. It essentially said we don't know why Raimi created a cover story for Mogul. Uh So right there it shows that it was a cover up. And then we have Dubos because you're you talked about Affidavid's and he's got an

Affidavid out in a video where he talks about this. He says, yeah, the weather balloon was not what Marcel brought back. Now, so there was a cover up. He says, I don't know what they brought back. But so that's the other aspect that I think is important there. It's a genuine cover up. It's a genuine cover up. And also what we found in the Roswell paper that a lot of people didn't know about either, is that members Superiors in Roswell flew directly to the White House to meet with

Truman the day after the military recovered these things. So why why it was a little blurb in the newspaper like three or four sentences, you know, Superiors go to meet with Truman. So clearly whatever crashed out there was not just a weather balloon. Am I saying it was an alien craft? No,

I'm not. I'm saying whatever it was was highly classified. They struggled to really contain this story from the very beginning, and I think, you know, we sort of definitively proved that the cover up has lasted for this long. Mogul is ridiculous, It's absolutely ridiculous. I even bring up that did not make it into the show as well, that the person who made the manual for Project Mogul was mad that they used his manual as a reason

for a UFO story. So even the really person who wrote the manual on Mogul says, no, that's not what it was, and that was brought up to me by James Clarkson. Really have him to think for that as well. I did not know that. Yeah, so I think he passed away a couple of years ago. We wanted to try to get him until we did some digging and found out he had passed away, which is very

unfortunate. But that's the problem with Roswell. Anyone directly involved, even with the cover up aspect or investigating the cover up, they're gone at this point, which is very frustrating. The show made it seem as though you do believe that Roswell was most likely an alien spacecraft, but you weren't alone. I mean Frank Kimbler with the Metals, he believed that. Barbara Bush I think essentially believes that. Is that true? Do you think that's probably what

it was? Oh? Man, This is my problem when it comes to preconceived notions before an investigation. For a really long time. Yes, I wanted, as the X Files tells us, to believe that this could be alien, and I'm still very very open to that possibility, especially when it comes to the bodies aspect of all this, which we briefly touch on in the special, but want to go much further into. Jennifer brought up a good point in our special two is you can't let your belief cloud your judgment

when it comes to the investigation. And that's what you're taught when you become an investigator. So I learned a lot going into this that whatever I believe prior had absolutely nothing to do with what we were doing in that moment. You go where the evidence leads you, and that's what we did, and that's why in the special we didn't conclude that it was aliens. Is it possibly? We're not done. We're simply not done. We have so many people we still want to talk to, and we want to get back out

there to the crash site for sure. All right, well, we've got to go to break. We'll be right back. For those of you listening on the podcast, you'll hear a short musical interlude. For the rest of you, you'll hear a commercial break, and we'll be back with Ryan Sprague, one of the hosts of Roswell Mysteries Decoded. Be right back, Welcome back to Open Mind. UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I'm here with my good buddy Ryan Sprague, and you were just

talking about how the bodies. We didn't really get into in the show, but it's something that I know they even talking with them recently. They said, you know, one thing that we'd like to explore is the bodies aspect if we do Roswell more going forward And interesting enough, I just got a story posted today on Den of Geek. In fact, I'm looking at the link for the very first time right now on how Roswell New Mexico gained its

alien reputation. So I wrote a story essentially, it was in relation to the Roswell New Mexico TV show that's coming out, but I wrote this story how did it get its alien reputation in the first place for DN of Geek, and then they created a little video on it so you can read all about that. So you can guess that this article will be helping to guide any of our future investigations. I can't wait to read them. Man,

that's super exciting. Yeah, because I mean, the whole body's aspect is something you know, we I've always been a little hesitant on and that was probably clouded by that horrible alien autopsy thing that came out in the early nineties, which again, these things really taint the Roswell investigation and you have to fight and you know, get you dig your way out of those things. The Rosmas slides, all these things that just disinformed the public and make it

harder for us to really dig into that. But that being said, I mean Barbara again at the Roswell Daily Record told us that she spoke to many people about this whole idea of Glen Dennis, who who was the employee at the funeral home in Roswell and the whole story behind him and being asked if he had four foot you know, child sized caskets in stock when the Roswell incident happened, and he asked, why why do you need four child sized

caskets? I would know if if you know, some sort of accident happened here in Roswell and someone needed these, And they told him he didn't even need to know for that. So it's interesting, man, why they would need those? Why do you need to bury bodies that were part of a weather balloon? C Yeah, and he's been a bit discredited in that he said he spoke to a nurse who saw the alien autopsy and explain the aliens

to him. He was didn't want to give her a name. He promised he hadn't, he was eventually pressured to do it and then later admitted he lied to investigators about this person's name. So that has kind of taken him a bit off the radar, although UFO researchers Don Schmidt and Tom Carey, I guess have talked to some of his friends and colleagues who said, oh, yeah, I remember him telling us that in the forties, we thought

it was joking. So that may be an avenue of investigation to figure out did he actually say that too people, you know, before Roswell became famous. So that'll be interesting to look into. Absolutely again, like there's so many avenues to go down with this and testimony from people, and it's just it's amazing. The thing I've learned is just when you think you have an answer to something, it changes in a heartbeat. Do you find out like

Nope, that was discredited or this or that and that's just Rospell. And yeah, I knew that going into it, I didn't know how difficult it was actually going to be to track down leads and to do all that. But that I'm look I new to all this. I've never looked into Roswell this deep before. So I'm excited and I know it's tough man, and

I want to be taken to task when it comes to this. If there's something you saw on the special or you've heard me say that you know for fact isn't true, tell me and I will do my best to redeem that in terms of our investigation. That I'm totally open to that. Yeah, I I'm so. I'm still on the fence with Roswell, which is saying a good thing. I haven't closed the book in that I don't know what

it was out there. In fact, I'm still open to the potential that it was Mogul, but because I think there's some information out there that shows that that's a possible. That's possible, but I don't know. It's really hard. It's a genuine mystery and it was a real cover up. Speaking of feedback, though, how has the feedback been. Has it been positive? And if you had any negative feedback, what was that? Yeah, I mean, overall the response has been extremely positive, and I'm very happy

about that. Again, what I try to stress to people is this is new territory for the CW network, who who is airing the show and supported our entire endeavor. Their audience is very young, first of all, and we had to keep that in mind when going into this is we're for some people, this is a new case to them, for a new generation. They knew nothing about Roswell before this, So some of the negative feedback I would say is, oh, we knew all this already, like there's nothing

new. I completely understand that if you're a veteran researcher or you've read books on Roswell. Yeah, we had to introduce people to this case before we really started digging into our own personal investigation. So the only negative feedback I've really gotten is there was too much history about Roswell Well. I personally think

that's essential before you move forward with the investigation. You know. There were a few other comments I saw that People reached out to me and said, oh, your scientific investigation of the medals wasn't done properly or this or that, And all I could tell them is, look, when it comes to science, budget has a lot to do with that, and that goes for the scientists as well. You're under budgetary constraints when it comes to how much

you can actually do with the scientific investigation and access. We were even lucky, Alejandro, I'm sorry to jump on. No, we were lucky to even get a lab to look at possible UFO materials. You know how hard it is to go to a lab exactly we think we have crash materials from a UFO. Nobody wants to be involved with that. We went to so many labs who said, sorry, we don't do that, we don't do

that, we don't do that. We were able to get one of the most prominent labs in Los Angeles who work with extremely prominent aerospace people who I won't name, but I'm sure that's pretty obvious, and to get them to do this, and that was a hard negotiation to do. I can't tell you how hard it actually was to get them to do this, but they did it. They gave us their findings and that's kind of where we're left. But they're metallurgists, and some of the materials we have aren't just metal.

There were other things found and that's what's really fascinating, and stuff we still have to look at and investigate. Yeah, you make a number of really great points there to have then you know, for those people, those critics, because granted, the critics are absolutely correct. The only new thing, which is the only new thing that this show added to the investigation, was another analysis of Frank's material But that is a more difficult thing and a

bigger achievement. I think then people realize, just because of what you just outlined, budget and access, getting a lab to do this is hard, so you're kind of stuck with what you got. So those critics who granted have a valid argument. You know, maybe this isn't the best test to have done first or whatever. It's the only test we had access to do, so it was better nothing and it's all we got. So at least

we were able to get some new analysis. And if you know, if you've heard because we broke the story at Open Minds on TV about Frank's materials and if you've listened to our many interviews with him, it's really really hard to get this analysis done. So I'm I think it's really cool that we got that done. And when they came out with the results, did you know, like in that scene when they were giving you the results, was that genuinely actually the first time you heard them, Yes, yeah, it

seemed like it too. It didn't seem I know that. I think it'd be hard for you to act the h that kind of bague. That's that's the good thing about this entire project is I was never told what I was told, where we were going, who we were going to talk to, you know, sort of like what we wanted to get out of that part of the investigation. But no, no, I had no idea what the results were going to be, and they wanted my initial reaction to that,

and of course I was bummed, like I wanted something. So in terms of Frank's materials, Andre, you know, because you again, you guys were the first to break the story when you got materials tested before it came back with a high high percentage of a certain element molybdenum that is extremely rare and shouldn't be in metals at that time period if you were to like carbon date something. And that was what was really fascinating. We're like, WHOA,

that's really unusual. Let's get a tested and see if we find the same thing. And as you see in the special our results were not exactly the same as this other lab. So you have conflicting conflicting things there. When it comes to scientific investigation, not every lab is going to come up with the same thing. Did we wanted to of course, did I want to think this was from outer space or from an alien spacecraft? Yeah, that would have been amazing both for us, for the world and for television,

to be honest. But when the results came back, you saw my real reaction to it. And I think that's what's good about this special is we're not pushing a narrative. We're not saying this was alien. We're going in and doing a real investigation no matter where that leads us and what the answers are, whether we like them or not. M M, which is great. So yeah, so I do agree that is that it is a valid criticism that you know, there's not a lot of new stuff that's added

in this. However, what I really think came out really well was well and I think that I'm going to back up a minute, actually because I think that the proving that this is a cover up is actually something that I never hear anybody talking about. The only person I hear talking I've seen talk about it is Kevin Randall, but I don't think people know that the Air Force's own investigation proves that there was a cover up. So I'm I was

proud that we kind of got that out there too. I couldn't agree more. I think, you know, that's kind of where we're left at this point, is there was a cover up. Everyone agrees at this point in terms of the people we interviewed and the testimony we've come across and the continued research we've done. So now that we know there's a cover up, now we can start to really press people and try to find out will we I

don't know. It's spend seventy two years so far. Maybe, but at the end of the day, I think we definitively prove the cover up with your involvement with everyone else's. And now I'm excited to start digging, little nervous, a little scared. When you start digging, you can be pretty sure that that there are going to be people who don't want you to be doing that. So the other you don't hear from me tomorrow that yeah, that's why, well know why they got him. Yeah, So yeah,

so I can I can see that with people. But the other real big benefit is kind of the other thing that you said, which is this demographic is not your typical demographic young women. Most people who like read open Mind or watch these shows because I know because we look at the demographics are men and mostly older men, like in their fifties and sixties. Surprisingly, I think that's count to what a lot of people think. But there are it is getting to be more younger, but a lot of younger men. So

getting to this demographic, I think is really important. And I think it shared in a very relatable way, some very credible information as to why people believe Roswell's a mystery. So I think it was a great piece for people who don't know much about Roswell, like those CW viewers, to know more

about why. It's a valid kind of open investigation. Yes, And I mean another thing that we can't shy away from is this Roswell Mysteries Decoded is running in tandem with the reimagining of the Roswell show Roswell New Mexico, and

that that was done purposefully. We're not denying that in any way, shape or form, our show exists because of Roswell New Mexico, this upcoming show, and they they did that for a reason, and they wanted people to learn the real story about Roswell before they go watch a dramatized fictional version of

it, which I think is very responsible. Not only that, I mean there was a press event for Roswell New Mexico a few days ago here in Los Angeles, and they invited me to come and do a presentation on Roswell before the cast came up and talked about their experiences on set and to know

publicize their show. And I thought that was great that the CW Network again New Territory, for them to have a UFO researcher come and tell the genuine story about what happened in Roswell before the show that people are going to see involves a UFO crash, and then everything after that is completely imaginative. So I love it. I think it's great that they did that. I was very honored, little nervous to do it, but the reception was amazing.

I had so many press people come up to me after and be like, WHOA, that was so cool, Like I'm going to go look into Roswell now, And that's all we could ask for at this point. Mm hmm, yeah, yep, yep, I agree. So one of the things that happened in the show also is that you shared a personal UFO sighting. Yes, sounds like a pretty cool one too. Uh yeah, I guess you could say that I was terrified, but really it was it was it

was yeah, it was in sharing. Yeah. So, I mean I talked about this in my book, I talked about it on interviews prior to the television series. I did have a UFO sitting when I was twelve years old in Upstate New York. I was fishing. I saw a triangular formation of lights in the sky. I did not see a solid craft, but I did see, you know that sort of prototypical three white lights, kind of like hazy red light in the middle and silent drifted over the water.

I was fishing at night. My dad came out and actually saw this thing as it like headed towards Canada. We were right on the border of Canada and the United States off the Saint Lawrence River. I was really scared. I didn't sleep, but all that night my dad and I went to the you know, the hotel owner where we were staying at a hotel and asked if anyone reported anything. He said no, But then we did some digging. I actually reached out to the FAA and asked them, like, uh,

what was going on out there? And they couldn't tell us anything. They said they didn't have anything out there. So I don't know. I don't know what it was. I don't know what truly I experienced that night, but it scared the living hell out of me. Really, it terrified you, huh, yeah, I mean I had nightmares forever after that. Wow. And oh no, just the object, I mean just like hovering above me. That that just it was ingrained in my mind still today.

What I felt. That's that's actually more than like how big was it? How what was the distance? It was? How it made me feel? I just I was frozen there. I could barely talk. It took me like forever to like squeal to my dad to come out and actually like see the tail end of this thing. And that's what I really remembered, And

that obviously led to like an obsession. Started taking out books. Coincidentally, the first book on UFOs I ever read was Crash at Corona Wow, Don Friedman, Dodd Berlin or so Yeah, it really did send me on this path, and I didn't talk about it for a really long time. I even denied it at a lot of times too, when people asked me if I had a sighting, even like early on, when I got into all this, I denied in interviews that I ever had UFO siting and that that's

on me, And that's why did you deny it early on? I denied it early on because as I got deeper into it and I started researching, and people were actually listening to me, which I I which is a big thing. You know that that puts pressure on that people are actually like taking what you have to say seriously. And and I I felt like if I had a UFO sighting and talked about it, no one would take me seriously. Oh he's just another one of these people, like, of course he's

gonna he's gonna be saying all this. So I flat out denied that I had a sighting. And then I came forward when I was in college started telling people about it, friends, family and everything like that, and then I got eventually started writing about it and started talking about it then. But yeah, when I started doing interviews really early on, I said I didn't have a UFO sighting. Well, that was the wrong thing to do, and I fully admit that. Well, you know, supposedly Heinich did the

same thing. Yeah, Jall and Manik that he had assigning that he would not share because the same exact reasons you wouldn't because he was afraid of it hurting his credibility, right, And I struggled with that for a while. I mean I even remember telling someone like, oh my god, I'm like Fife Simonton. I like, I sort of denied it that, but then I came forward and admitted it did so No, I fully embraced my UFO seting. Now, I was nervous because the real big time I came out

with it was in my book. And once it's out there, as I told everyone in my book, it's out there and people can judge you, and they can ridicule you or believe you. Uh, that's up to them at that point. So yeah, you know, I I kicked myself so much for being so naive when I first started out in all this. But if if I'm going to ask people to come forward and trust them to tell their UFO story, I have to do the same or else. I'm just

like everyone else. So see, I love it. I think it's interesting because it shows there's a number of reasons, you know, why not to share this sort of thing, and a lot of people feel similar, and so it's interesting to understand, you know, what influence people, and to

know that, you know, there are tons of people. There are probably you and I probably have quite a few listeners who are the type of people who don't share their sightings with their loved ones or people at work or people they know because they're embarrassed to and maybe they don't even share that they listen to UFO podcasts and stuff. I mean that that happens. It does,

and you know, just the UFO topic in general. I mean, I can't tell you how many second dates I lost because I brought up I was a UFO ringmer, really, let alone bringing up that I had my own UFO siting. I can't even imagine at that point. Yeah, that's funny because I think that happened to me too, But luckily I was able to

date inside the UFO community a bit. But I think that happened. Although I was always hesitant to say that had to be it because it could have been something else, and I always felt I'm just making excuses, but exactly, No, hilarious. The more confident you are and the more you embrace something, I think most human beings can relate to that and that that's what they want. So yeah, I'm loud and proud now, man Like, my siting changed my life and it's led me on the path I am today.

And what it was I may never know, but that's part of this whole journey. We may never know. But I like the journey more than whatever the destination might be. I can tell you that much. I guess well, and on something personal like, of course, because my girlfriend, my lifetime partner, is into this, she owns the freaking UFO congres But what about your current the current love of your life, who I know you're deeply in love with and and she's good with all this stuff. Yes,

I was very fortunate when we first started talking again. I was out and proud at that point, so I just told her flat out, I'm like, I'm a UFO researcher. I this is my life when I'm not. We met at my job in New York City and I told her, when I'm not doing this you're gonna find me on my computer digging interviewing people. That this that And the first thing she said after I told her was what's up with UFOs and nuclear military bases? And right there, man, I

knew I was in. That was that moment we had birds chirping, hauling oates playing in the background. It was that's sweet, that's so funny, that's awesome. Well, I guess to wrap up because we're out of time. What is in store for you? So you've got somewhere in the skies that people could check out your successful, great podcast, and then you've got another couple podcasts you're on. I think, are you on Unknown? Ike? Keep seeing that you're doing something like with Jason McClellan, and I'm not

sure who else is involved with that? So you can enlighten us? Oh sure, Yeah. When I'm not doing somewhere in the Skies, I hop over onto Unknown with Jason McClellan, Marie Nilsbury and Shane Hurd whenever possible. I love Shane. He lives out here too. He's incredible. I just had him on my show a couple of weeks ago, and he is a mouf on field investigator. And he brought up some really compelling cases that I'd never heard of, so I definitely suggest people check that out. Check out

his work as well. Yeah, we love it. It's like a little family over there of weirdos, and we just talked about strange stuff, mostly UFOs. So yeah, when I'm not doing somewhere in the Skies, I can be found over at Roqueplanet dot tv. Other than that, man, I'm looking forward to seeing you at Alien Con in Los Angeles. That's gonna be fun, and I'm gonna actually work on I haven't sent the email yet. I talked to Morning Storry about it. Work on doing a panel.

We should since we're both going to be speakers at Alien Con in Los Angeles, and of course lots of the people we work with on the show are in Los Angeles. Hopefully we could do a panel and it'll be amazing. Yeah, at the show, that'd be cool work side by side with our Ancient Aliens buddies and Project blue Book. Yeah, because people you know, Project blue Book has a big presence at Agli Aliens because they're both history. Yep, yep, exactly. So yeah, I'm super excited about that.

I hope we get to do that, and I'll be given talks. I think they're going to have me doing experiencer sessions again, you know where people come in tell their UFO sightings or stories. I am not a therapist. I make that very clear. I just want to hear stories. I'm not there to conclude what happened to you or to put you under hypnotis or anything like that. But we tried it at this last Alien con in Baltimore.

We thought maybe a few people would show up. The room was packed to capacity by the time we finished, and people were begging for more of them. So I'm sure that'll happen. Other than that, it's just such a good time, so I'm really looking forward to that in June. All right, great, and hopefully it would be really cool to have you back at to Congress because you used to be one of our best volunteers before you made it big and then you became one of our speakers. Oh gosh, stop,

no. I would give anything to come back and work. Sound, clean the floors, stacked chairs, whatever you need me to do. Man, You know how much I love working with you guys and volunteering, because that's why we're all doing this. You know, we all want to work together to find answers and a lot of these conferences are where you find those answers. And yeah, yeah, I'm excited for the future, both for the Congress and whatever comes next. All right, well, thank you so

much for being on the show again. Thank you so much, Alejandro, always a pleasure and honor. Thank you so much to Ryan Sprague for joining us on the show. It's always a great pleasure to have him and he did a great job with the television show Roswell Mysteries Decoded. So I hope you watch this. You can watch it for free on the CW Seed. If you follow me on my social media you'll find links to that. You can find it on my Patreon, my Facebook, all over the place.

Twitter, but yeah, check that out. You can check it out for free online or on their app or Roku. You can get the CW seed app and lots of their free shows. So check that out and let us know what you think. Also, on my YouTube page, and I want people to know some of you may have been looking for my UFO Seriously Live show that is now on my personal YouTube page, the Alejandro Advantage. You'll

find links to that on my social media as well. But essentially just look up Alejandro Advantage on YouTube and you'll find me there or the name of the show or whatever, because I have a couple of videos there. One video that I have there is the Roswell cover Up Explained, and essentially this is where I go over the documents to prove that, hey, we were saying cover up so much in this Roswell show, because there is a cover up

and it's proven, and here are the government documents that prove that. So that's just a short YouTube video covering that cover up portion. And then also to read my articles, so denv Geek, I've got how Roswell New Mexico it's alien reputation, so information about that. And then I have a couple other blue Book articles that came out recently, a spoiler free review, so I talk about you know what the show's like and I'd love to hear your input, so read that if you get a chance. And then also an

interview with Michael Malarkey. Some of you might have heard my audio interview with him that I posted on YouTube, but this interview is actually more lengthy because it's more information that is compiled and kind of how he feels about UFOs and how that working on the show really opened his mind. He is a character, by the way that plays Captain Quinn, the Air Force guy on History's

Project blue Book. So yeah, check some of that out. As far as the UFO Congress goes, we're getting new products on the store all the time. We just got a new batchet, those levitating UFOs, so a lot of people like to see that in the background on my YouTube live shows, and if you want one of those, just go to the UFO Congress store. We're getting lots of orders because I made this cool little gift last

week that I tweeted and stuff, and that generated some response. So if you want one soon jump in there and grab it, because we're probably going to have to order some more. This has just been a really popular product, as well as these three D alien lamps that we have, so we got some cool stuff there. If you like Open Minds, you can of course on YouTube and on the Patreon you'll be able to find links to Open Minds as well. So I want to thank you all again for listening to

the show. I want to thank Ryan Sprague for being a guest once again. He did a great job I started. Jennifer Marshall was wonderful working with him. Frank Kimbler, Kevin Randall actually lent us a little bit of help on the show. We worked with Denise Marcel, Barbara Beck from the Roswell Daily Record, lots of really cool people that we got to talk to on the show, and then some of the cast or the crew over at morning

Star. They're great, so we look forward to having a strong partner with open minds with them and doing more work together, So keep an eye out for that, and of course i'll update you here. I want to thank Caleb Hanks for the opening and close music, and Systematics for the bumper music. And finally I want to thank you the listener. Thank you so much for listening. We'll have another exciting show next week. Until then, Audio's mood chachos you mus