Ross Hemsworth, UK Paranormal Researcher

Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Thank you, mister Dean. Actually, Bob Dean, the guy who does that intro for us, is going to be our guest next week. Hello, this is Alejandro Rojas with Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority. Also exciting is that this week's guest is I didn't

lie to you last week. It's Ross Hemsworth. I wasn't sure if we could get him when we were doing the show, but luckily we did and that is exciting because Ross is a TV and radio presenter. He's currently studying law in the UK, which is great. A personal friend we find out today of Janice. I can't remember her last name, but she is the mother of Gary McKinnon. So he called her today to get an update and he'll be sharing that with us. That's really cool. He's also worked on

paranormal shows for ITV that's the international television station and BBC world Wide. Pretty cool. His show is called Now That's Weird, although I think that's on hiatus right now, but he's starting that up again. His new website is TRUTHBOXI think dot com, dot UK, dot com, dot uk dot tv. He copied that's truthbox dot tv. So we'll talk to him more about

that. I wrote here that he lives in Crop Circle, the Crop Circle hot spot of Glastonbury, but he informed me that actually the Crop Circles are not in Glastonbury. They're nearby, but a little further away. He has lots of exciting stuff out there in Glastonbury. He is an advisor for the International UFO Congress, which is coming up, and so we'll be talking all about this, and he wants to talk about Surpo. I told him I am a Surpo skeptic, and he said, well, he has some information

that may change my mind. So we will talk with Ross. He's a very cool guy. I love this guy. Some of you may know him from the interview we did with him at the International UFO Congress last year, one of the videos that we have up on the website. It was a lot of fun. He's a lot of fun and this show is going to be a lot of fun. Speaking of the International UFO Congress, A couple

things first, everything is practically almost sold out. If you want to get to the cocktail Meet, the Speaker deal on Wednesday, or you want to get to the banquet and the EBE Awards on Saturday, you better book that asap because we are almost sold out of everything. It's great. The response has been absolutely amazing, and it looks like this may be one of, if not the biggest international UFO Congress in the history of human existence. That

is something else, I'll tell you what. Another cool thing is that we're going to have a new prize at one of our door prizes. We're still figuring out how we're going to give this away or if we are. Maureen is really tempted just to not give it to anybody and take it herself, but we won't let that happen. It'll be a prize for one of our guests, and that is a fourteenth day all inclusive UFO tour provided by Top

Secret Tours. This is pretty cool. They're going to take you to Los Alamos and the White Sand, the trim Trinity Atomic Test Site, to Roswell, to Arizona, the meteor creator Sedona Grand Canyon. They should put the Open Mind's offices because that's one of the biggest UFO hotspots, but only for the freebee guys, so and much much more. They're going to take you

all over. You're probably going to see UFOs, hopefully meet extraterrestrials. They don't guarantee this, but with all of these incredible places they are going, the odds are good. And in fact, you can go to our website and they're one of our advertisers. You can click on the link if you're like, hey man, I don't want to wait to see if I'm gonna win. I want to go on a tour right now. It's worth like

three thousand dollars, probably more, but it's a lot of fun. So go check that out or come to the conference and hopefully win your chance to do this cool thing. So there are some updates, there are some news. But oh and I did want to say one of the things. Well, I'll mention that later one of the stories we have up. So hang type people, I'll have some more news coming up on some of the cool

stuff on our website. But what we want to tell talk about now, what we want to do is just one of the most exciting parts of our show, and that is to bring on our news correspondent who will tell us about the latest UFO headlines throughout the world. And there's some good ones going on, Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you Jason McClellan. Hello, Hello, well a hostle and greetings everyone. This is your Open Minds News

Brief for Monday, January thirty, first, twenty eleven. An astronomer believes that the search for extraterrestrial life is hopeless. Can you believe this guy? According to the Daily Telegraph, Howard Smith, a senior astrophysicist at Harvard University, says he believes humans are alone in the universe. His belief is based on the analysis of five hundred discovered planets that appear to be too hostile to

support life, at least as we currently understand life. Smith is likely not a lot in his belief, but other scientists continue to search for life elsewhere in the universe. It was less than two months ago and NASA announced the discovery of a bacteria capable of surviving in an arsenic heavy environment by modifying itself. The geo microbiologists who led the study of this bacteria explained that the discovery opened the doors for us to think about biology in ways we have never thought.

So Smith might be over hasty and his dismissal of those five hundred planets with environments hostile to life as we know it. He's checked over five hundred planets, so Jason, he knows. I think his checking could be better described as a brushing over. Yeah what yeah, we I mean of those five hundred planets, he doesn't know what may or may not exist in the most Well, that's exactly right, I mean, right now, you look for what you understand. You know, we look for us, We look

for places where we could survive Disneyland. Well I doubt that's there. That'd be awesome. But you know, with hell about the universe is and all of these different crazy planets we keep finding. Who knows what life would be like on those planets? Yep, who knows? And there's you know, he's checked five hundred planets, but there's five hundred and you can write this down. This is the the latest figure. Five hundred kajillion planets out there.

So he's only checked like one out of a kajillion. And you know how many zeros are after the one in a kajillion? As many as you're making up in your mind right now. Too many to count, Jason, that's how many extraordinary just as a number of kajillion boggles my mind? Why don't you write that down for me? Okay, start writing it down.

You're right though, Yeah, I mean there's so many planets. Come on, five hundred, buddy, you got a lot more checking to good do, good good buddy, And we're looking for things we don't know about, so it's hard to just declare something like that, that ego. It's kind of funny. Yeah. I wonder if there were some SETI people, some students who were settying to become astrobiologists, and they're like, oh man, this is a bummer. I'm gonna have to change my major to psychology.

Letting people down. Yep, speaking of SETI. SETI, the search for Extraterrestrial intelligence has gained an ally in the search for extraterrestrial life the University of Southern California. A statement was released last Wednesday announcing the agreement between the two institutions to conduct joint research and education programs. USC's leading astronomy program will greatly assist SETI in their hunt for extraterrestrial life, While USC's students and faculty will

benefit from gaining access to SETI facilities like their radio telescopes. SETI also collaborates with UC Berkeley. Yep, so they can listen to nothing. Okay, I'll sit there and listen to that all day. I'll tell you what, USC or any other university or car out there partner up with us, And

you know that's great, you're partnering up with SETI. But partner up with us, we're going to be able to take you into areas of science that are much more interesting than listening to nothing, and which are some very valid areas, some of the stuff that has not been looked at. And there are very many scientists we write about. We could really open the mindset in a more exciting way of these kids, of these students than boring SETI.

You know, this partnership with the SETI and USC, I bet there are some conspiracy theorists out there having a field day with this. Get this. So USC has a fantastic film program which is back financially, very heavily financially by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Hmmm, dunt, dun, dun. Yeah, And people have their their ideas about Lucas and Spielberg and what they

may or may not know interesting, very interesting, he to some. Some US scientists claim that current attempts at communicating with extraterrestrial life are either disorganized or

too cryptic for aliens to decode. This claim is made by postgraduate astrophysicists in Space Policy and International Interdisciplinary Journal, where the suggestion is made to develop a protocol for sending messages to extraterrestrials establis Establishing an extraterrestrial communication protocol would improve the

likelihood of messages being understood by alien life forms. The authors suggest that such a protocol should include constraints and guidelines for signal encoding, message length, and information content. Additionally, they say a transmission strategy should be clearly laid out in this protocol, and they suggest a simple physical or mathematical language with the

signal repeated regularly to avoid being overlooked as noise. That's interesting, because I mean, all we talk about now is listening for messages from Lord knows where. But maybe it'd be a good idea to start sending some out in a more regular type of way. But of course some people like Stephen Hawkins will be afraid that the aliens will then find us and destroy us or eat us.

That's what he said. But it is an interesting thought, you know right now that if they're listening, but think about sending out messages and if we just start at random sending out whatever we want, who knows what that could do? Yeah? And how how much power? According to Setting and those guys, it takes a lot of energy to send signals very far. So do we even have the capability to do that at this point? And again it's you know, at this point, at this stage in the game,

it's a it's all guesses. Yeah, you know, we don't know what technology other civilizations might have. M we don't know if they're equipped to receive our the types of signals we're sending, where they even care to listen well, and there are some people probably catching at their radios right now, because of course, this is all under the assumption that no contact has been made, right, not just hanging out right not very far from us right

now, which that's a very good point. Most likely the issue. It is not uncommon for the appearance of disc shaped clouds known as lenticular clouds to result in UFO reports. The unusual appearance of these clouds leads some to conclude that what they are seeing is a cloaked UFO. Another type of cloud related phenomenon that unbelieve results from cloak UFOs is known as a whole punch cloud. The October two thousand and nine occurrents of a whole punch cloud was videotaped in

Moscow and picked up by media sources around the globe. But a new story study led by Andrew Haymsfield of the National Center of Atmospheric Research claims to have found an explanation for the strange phenomena. Again, this is just his theory. This research determined that whole bunch of clouds are likely caused by airplanes taking off or landing. According to him, any airplanes, whether jet or propeller,

can make these things. The results of the study appeared in the bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, and there have been various theories with these clouds just in the past year. Because we saw a lot of clouds in twenty ten. At the end of two thousand and nine, a lot of these strange either circle clouds or absence of cloud in a hole pattern. I wonder if that's related though, to more people having the phone to be able to

take pictures and videos of these. I think that's a big part of it. Yeah, because and really, quite frankly, I'm not so interested in the strange cloud phenomena because there's so many. You know, of course, there's a lot of sightings where we talk about and they turn out to be balloons and stuff. But there's a lot of great sightings out there, just a couple this week, you know, and the one whole punched in a

cloud that is the most exciting of all time that I know of. Of course, it's the Chicago hair siding where this UFO went through the cloud, so you know, they know what went through the clouds. There a lot of people, including pilots and everything, saw this disc shaped UFO punch through the cloud. So you know, big deal about these more anomalous the ones.

What about these ones where people witness this stuff? Right, and they call that I think the FA or yeah, the FA called that weird some kind of weather anomaly, But some kind of flying metallic disc is a weather anomaly. I don't think so. Weather seems to be for some reason, a very easy way to explain something away and people are expected did the buy into it? And they usually do. Yeah. Media often yeah, we'll say oh, okay, great, Yep, it's a shame tragic. We

try to fix that in our own little way. Yeah, and we're doing a good job, decent. I'll patch you on the back to you, my friends. A UFO organization in South Africa is calling for the government to release secret UFO files. This organization, known as the South Africa's UFO Resource, urges people to take UFO sighting seriously. The organization takes sighting reports,

but claims that only one out of ten sightings are reported. The organization's founder says this is because media around the world has not played a positive role in UFO reports and there is the ridicule factor. People are afraid of the response they would get. Yeah. I love these kind of stories because I love seeing other countries and thinking to know a little bit about the UFO civilian UFO

research going on in these other countries and to see that it exists. And it's exciting because especially now, if we can try to hopefully build a network with some of these people, I mean Skype we're gonna be talking to Ross Hemp Squarest all the way in the UK. That's a long ways away. You know, we're gonna be talking back at light speed for free over Skype. I mean, there's the ability to be able to talk to people around

the world is incredible right now. And there's never been that whole worldwide network. And it's our duty as they holders of the International UFO Congress to create these ties and get this rolling. Will you help me in my task to do that, Jason? Why don't you your ties already exist? Alejandro? We need more, more more. We need South Africa, we need Korea, we need Russia, we need to cover the world. Well, you did a good job last week of forming bonds with Korea. Thank you.

Yes, yeah, I did get a hold of that, and that's exciting because hopefully he sent some pictures to us. There's a gentleman. What did we talked about that story last week? I think, huh. I believe we did about the Korean researcher who was featured in the Korean Times, a UFO researcher, and he examined a lot of UFO photos and videos, and we got a hold of him and he sent us some pictures and some information, so we'll put that up on the website real soon here and yeah,

hopefully we can talk to that guy some more. And that's really exciting that he actually got back to us. Yeah, really cool. But you know this guy, you're right, this story is like this that it's very exciting

to see that. You know, all around the world and we know this, but it just helps seeing it week after week, finding out about these different areas of the world where there are people really trying to get more information and get information out to people and put pressure on governments to release information. South Africa, Korea, get the network going. Yeah, pretty cool way to go, buddy. We've mentioned Bigelow Aerospace many times on the show before.

This is the company led by hotel tycoon Robert Bigelow that is working to put a hotel in space. The company is already tested their inflatable hotel modules in low Earth orbit. According to Popular Science, NASA is in talks with Bigelow Aerospace to acquire one of its expandable modules for installation on the International Space Station. NASA is looking for an inexpensive and proven way to expand the usable space aboard the ISS and a big expandable module might be just what they are

looking for. Yeah, you know, people, I gotta what I love about the Bigelow stories is how well Bigelow Aerospace is doing that. They're really becoming a part of the the space community and partnering up with NASA. And just because Robert Bigelow is the guy schmoozing making these connections and all over the place, and he is someone who is not afraid. He'll boldly state his belief in UFOs that he thinks that they're here and it's a very big part

of him and what he does, and that's exciting. So he's having these conversations out there. There's no doubt with all of these people that are building

these big modules and stuff. And I'll bet a lot of them are believers as well in the UFO phenomenon and think that more is going on, but they're just too afraid to speak about it, right, And we talk about this quite a lot in the news, But I find it really exciting all of these private companies with their developments and their drive to get into space and

all the technology they're coming up with, the crafts, the modules. I mean, these people are putting millions and millions of dollars into these programs, and I don't know, it's just exciting, you know, Yeah, just counter to to NASA, things seem to move very slowly. Yeah, but I mean companies like Bigelow and Virgin, I mean Virgin Galactic just taken off like a storm. I mean not very long ago, even a couple of years ago. Like you said, NASA move is very slow. That's all

we saw. It was NASA making little baby steps towards this or that, and in a not very focused manner. You know. All of a sudden, you have George Bush saying, oh, we're going to the mood, so everybody switches to the moon. Then we have obamacamming, no, we're not going to the moon. We're going to Mars. So everything switches to Mars. But now that the private industry is part of the factor, all of a sudden, we're in space. All of a sudden, you can

buy a ticket to go fly into space. Russia is flying people into space, Virgin is going to be flying people into space. The X plane is going to be flying people into space. All of a sudden, we're on the cusp of being a Space Faring Society. How exciting is that. I just had a friend in the from New Mexico tell me I need to come out for a visit and it'll show me around the spaceport area. Oh awesome. Yeah, I can't wait to see that. When it's done, be

sweet. That's going to be very cool. We'll definitely have to take to drive out there, absolutely just to stay it over YEP. Two witnesses simultaneously filmed a UFO over Mountain Zion and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Israel, at one am on Friday morning. These witnesses started filming after noticing a large ball shaped UFO hovering in the city. Hovering above the sky in the city. After about one minute, the UFO rapidly descended to almost ground

level, stopping to hover directly above the Temple Mount. The UFO then shot straight up. M you saw this video, right, Yeah, Yeah, it's funny you brought it up. People in the chat are like, what are they going to start talking about that? Yeah, it's an interesting video. The first time I saw it, the video looked kind of choppy and

I was a little, you know, worried about that. I saw that he showed a guy taking the video with a phone or something, and I was wondering, well, why didn't they post that video too, But now they have, Yeah, and so I don't know. At first I kind of had a bad feeling, like it looked like a hoax. And now I'm on the fence about it. Somebody's asking, you know, if it's

real or not. I don't know. I think we have to find out some more about the people who took the video, right, Hopefully there's some research going on, because it's always difficult to get a hold of it. Again, international difficult to get a hold of these people. So I don't know on this one. Yeah, I don't either. Watching the video, it looked pretty incredible, but watching the man up front, the camera in front do the filming, and then the reactions of both cameras, and I

don't know. It seems when this thing does this rapid descent and then ascension, there wasn't a reaction of surprise by the people filming. I would have flipped. I mean, if you haven't seen this video, I'm sure a lot of you have, But if you haven't, go to the front page of our website, or if you're listening to a podcast. A couple of days may have passed, but still just go to our search and put in Jerusalem because we have a story posted there where you could see these two videos

next to each other that we're talking about. And it is an incredible video where this thing drops, flashes lights, and then takes off. But you're right, I mean when that thing drops, first of all, it would have been holy crap. I mean, how weird is that that this light drops to just maybe one hundred feet above the ground or something, and then when it flashes and then takes off, especially in that area, you would think, oh, is that a bomb? Right? I would have freaked

out. But well, and I know if you and I were out filming something in the sky, if we saw it drop like that or shoot up, whoever was in front would turn back and go what the ha huh? And then the video would show us on the ground crying in the fetal position, freaking out. I wouldn't freak out that much. I might. I might laugh at you and turn the camera on you if you were doing that. Yes, I did do that last week. You're right. Now, we're pretty tough, we're pretty used to this, but we would look at

each other and what the hell. Yeah, it'd be pretty exciting. Yeah, I would flip out, really exciting. Yeah. I mean even when you see something not that exciting, like an orb or something in the sky, it's still exciting. And when you see any sort of movement or whatever, yeah, you know, it's it's difficult to follow them perfectly because you don't know what movements it's making, especially when it shoots up rapidly or drops rapidly. Pretty cool video, Yeah, very cool video. Betty Good video,

Betty Good video. That is it for the news. If I wanted to ask you about Utah, did you see the Utah video? I did see the Utah video. That's a really good video. That one I don't think is a hoax. Who knows what it is. But this was a video of three lights over Utah and seemed like it dropped, yeah, which is fairly common in UFO videos where you see something drop out, another light

drop down. That was a really cool video too, And something that in my mind helps that video is the witness that they spoke with on the news. Right, just seems like a regular lady wouldn't have any reason to hoax a video or any know how to do it right. Yeah, that's another exciting one, so go check that out. That's on our website too. Good mention, Alejandro. That is it for the news. Remember to check out these stories, these videos and more at Openminds dot tv, your source

for UFO related news. I'm Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you, sir. All right, thank you,

Jason. Someone in the chat, John may lives that's from V. I didn't give the a very good review, by the way, the new V series in our magazine, but he has a good point that where the UFO was seen was over the Dome of the Rock, which is also known as Temple Mount, which is actually the biggest source of contention between the Israelis and the Palestinians because when they draw their lines of where's Palestine, Where's Israel, they both want Temple Mount and they will not give it up, and

it's one of the big issues there. So it's interesting that that was the place. Yes, some people say the Ark of the Covenant is or was there. The Knights Templar I think believed that they had exhumed the arc of the Government Covenant under from under Temple Mount. But there's all kinds of stories anyway, very interesting stuff. Some other interesting stuff that we have going on

on our website, some other stories. Michael Schratt has continued to post his UFO case files revealed where he goes and he takes some cases this time in this latest installment from the Auto Binder Reports, and he will make some illustrations of what the witness describes so you can see what that might have looked like to the witness. And he did some pretty cool ones here that we just posted today. Also, he did one for an email receive we received and

this was kind of neat one of our reader's listeners. His name ed Towers, and he had actually I've seen this send this to other researchers. But he wrote a very lengthy and detailed citing that he had in Santa Clarita Valley in California where he was cleaning his in nineteen seventy eight and saw UFO over the house. And Michael did a great job reproducing that, making a picture in a diagram of that, and you can see that on the website.

Also, Paula Harris Payola sayi Satan Italian Payola. She wrote us something. Actually, Jason had written a bio or a story on Colin Andrews, and Paula Harris had also done an interview, so we used excerpts of that interview in the magazine story, but we wanted to post the entire interview because there's some very interesting stuff in there, some stuff you probably never knew about the famous crop circle researcher Colin Andrews that are in this interview, so you can

check that out on the website as well. And then like I talked about, you know, the Korean UFO chasers, SETI and teaming up with USC and some of this other stuff we have up on website too, So those are some of the things that we have on the website going on. However, I am very excited, and I know I say that every week I'm excited about the guests, but I really am, and I'm very excited about today's guest, mister Ross Hemsworth, who I believe is on the line.

Are you there, Ross? I and Andro, great to SPI speak to you again, all right, great to talk to you. And the audio quality it sounds great even though you're you're many many many miles away right now. Sometimes you know these things, This new technology makes us sound as if we're next door to each other even though we're across the sea exactly. So it's pretty exciting. It's pretty cool stuff, absolutely yeah. And I have to say that there was a little bit of a fuss earlier on trying to

get the phone lines and things to work with. Then once we got it all sorted, it's lovely and clear. Yep, it's perfect. So and I want to thank you for staying up because it's it's the wee hours of the morning for you out there. It is. And what I've got to say, and I must apologize to the listeners if they hear any background noise here because this is the most exciting time of the day for my two cats, and I've got a young kitten who thinks it's great fun to get up

here and tap the microphone. So do you hear any noise, That's what it'll be. Yeah. They always want to be the center of attention. Absolutely well, thanks so much for being on the show. And we can start with a correction that you made, and I had mentioned it a little bit earlier. I had mentioned that you were from the Glastonbury area and had said that as a crop circle hearts. But but you pointed out that the crap circles are actually a little ways away from you. Yes. Yeah.

You have to travel east of here, a little bit up into Wiltshire, just the other side of trail Bridge Trowbridge, and you'll get into crop circle country. There. There's an area between sort of Avebury and Stonehenge, and most of the crop circles tend to appear in that sort of area. And I think that's why a lot of people believe circle makers rather than strange phenomena, are the cause, because they do tend to be within a few miles of each other. Mm hmmm. And how do you feel about that?

I've got mixed feelings. I mean, I've spoken to some of the circle makers, and I've spoken to people that claim to know circle makers, and they say that they probably couldn't do it without some kind of outside influence. But one of the telling things from me was the story of a farmer on a farm talking to a friend of his. The friend was totally skeptic, the farmer wasn't, and they were moaning about the damage to the fields.

They get through the summer and the damage to the crops. And one farmer said to the other one, yeah, but it's ludicrous, these people stomping across your field at night. And he said, well, do you actually believe that? He said, surely you don't believe that little green men do this. And he said, well, no, I don't, he said, but I do believe it's more than just people stomping across the field.

So he said, well, what makes you think that. He said, well, this evening, when you finished working on the farm, come and sit on the hill on my farm and just sit there. He said, why should just do it? So he went and sat on top of this hill, just overlooking the farm, and this flock of geese flew across the field as they were doing most nights, and when they got to the crop

circle over this farmer's field, they split. Now they always fly in a V formation geese, as you probably know, and they split into two groups and literally flew around the circle. Wow. Now that's not something that would happen if there was just people making a you know, dent in the corn

below. So I think there's an electromagnetic energy that plays a part in this, and I think rather than look at bradiance from out of space, we should be looking perhaps at fault lines and energies that are below the surface, and also the chalk deposits which are in that area which hold water, because I think that also plays an important part in what's going on there now I have I'm very interested in the kind of the aorbs that are seen around there

quite a bit now I know, I personally believe, you know, Carlinie Andrews was evil to demonstrate with his colleagues at that famous video of the orb making the crap circle was hoaxed and they found the guy who did it. But a lot of crap circle makers, A lot of people have filmed orbs or seen orbs in the area, and I always wonder if those orbs are related. Well, again, you see the orb phenomena. A lot of paranormal investigators have actually ruled orbs out more two three years ago. Has been

nothing more than dust and moisture at ninety five percent of the time. That's exactly what they are. They're anomally is caught on camera that are nothing more

than out focus centers of light picked up on depth of field. But I'm still I would say juries out because we've done a whole series of tests on this orb phenomena and certainly you can seem to get them to appear on request when you're working with things like mediums, and if that was dust or water, then we should be setting up a church aljandro and praising dust and moisture, because if there's an intelligent communication coming out of these things, than to

me, it certainly isn't dust and water. I think there has to be more to it, and certainly with the crop circles there seems to be the same kind of phenomena. And again I'm wondering whether or not it comes back to this fault line explanation that there's this geomagnetic energy coming from the Earth.

One of the things I'm working on in my research at the moment is the tectonic stress theory, in that these fault lines are generating a cause and effect which is directly affecting us as individuals because we're also electromagnetic and the things around us. So when you put these things together you can get these weird things

going on. And some of the research I did in Scotland you may know about, was around Boluskene where Alice Crowley used to live, which is the Great Glen Fault in Scotland and that runs across from Boloskene through Castle and out to Ireland. And on that fault line they've had all this weird stuff happening at Boloskeine. I had a weird experience myself in Boliscine Cemetery where I disappeared

off a video for about four minutes. Most of the Lockness Monster sightings have been on that line, So it makes you wonder whether or not all of these things are interrelated. And if you look at people like, for instance, Paul Devereux, Paul Devro has been doing a whole load of work about orange orbs that seem to be appearing just before earthquakes, as if some sort

of warning signal that there's going to be an earthquake taking place. So I think the whole orb thing, the jury is still very much out and I think we need to not write them off too quickly. Yeah, that's interesting because to hear kind of that perspective, because it doesn't seem like the researchers out of the UK are as pragmatic about the phenomena as those in the US.

As you are. I think there's a lot of arguments going on in the UK at the moment with regards answer to what is paranormal and what is ParaScience, And this is one of the things I've been championing this year is to come away from that old word paranormal, which has got some pretty poor pr and has covered things like ghost crop circles and UFOs for years, and change it to ParaScience and sort of say, well, okay, those that

are more seriously interested in doing some real research to get to the bottom of some of this should be looking at crossing over science with these paranormal research techniques, because the three blind test that or the triple blind test as science called it, that is done in the laboratory cannot answer some of these questions.

And some of the leading scientists are now coming forward and finally admitting that now, if we can get our heads together with science and say well, okay, let's get out into the field and explore some of these out of the box type theories, then just maybe we'll get some answers. So this year, rather than being a paranormal investigator, I want to really put the word out there of ParaScience researcher, gotcha, And I want to tell people real

quick there. I guess they're in blogtalk. Some people are having some audio issues. But you can go to Openminds dot tv and click on the radio tab where we have the live video stream going on, and you'll be able to hear there and we'll get the podcast fixed if that's affected very soon. Here just so you all know, because you know, these people are us. When they don't have the show, they just are like they're so addicted to the show that they got to have it on a regular release. There's

no audio problems from their end. Again, is that no, you sound great. I am too bad they can't hear you because I can hear you great and see you sound really good, So I know you've got some good equipment on your side. I think that, Uh. You know. One of the things and one of the reasons I talked about that with the crop

circles is just what you're saying. You know, I work with or I'm friends with Nancy Talbot, uh, And that's where one of the hard things that she has is that you know, when she tries to find people to do some of the science around the crapture. Of course she has a hard time because a lot of people would rather go and kind of meditating stuff as opposed to, you know, do some real scientific work out there, and that's kind of where we've difficult We stuffer from that a lot. Here in

Glastonbury. We've got far too much of the what I call Love and Light brigade. And I've got nothing against them, you know, all power to their arm. But you know, to actually get science to take notice of these things, you have to step away from that and you have to be

realistic. And I've had some quite interesting banter with other researchers on Facebook and Twitter lately because they don't all agree with my ideas, as you can imagine, nor would I expect them to. But it'll be nice to actually go out into the field and actually prove what you say by doing a series of tests. And at least of the time this year in the UK, I'm

going to be doing exactly that. I'm actually taking a group of people out and filming a series of tests based on this tectonic stress theory and see whether or not we can actually get some firm results which we can then document and show on camera. And that will I think open the doors to further things in the year ahead. That's exciting. I mean, and the science part is so important. I mean, that's what that's where we can really try

to find some things out. Even if it is from let's say these people are writing it is from an extraterrestrial source, the science behind it can then show us some of the how they operate and how they do what they do. And that's what I always find interesting. And we were talking about Robert Bigelow earlier, and I know that's what his interest was in UFOs, is

to figure out some of their technology. Well, I wouldn't say, I mean Bigelow has got obviously a much bigger budget than I've got, and so I wish we could get someone like that behind us, because that would give us the help we need to be able to find some of the things that that we want to do, because obviously we're always working on zero budget because all the money in the UK goes to the universities, to the skeptical guys, you know, the guys that are doing the work on the other side

of the fence, so we don't get that opportunity. We have to do it out of our own pocket, which is why it takes a lot longer. People like Bigelo. You know, if we could get him involved in stuff like this, and I know he has an interest in it, then we'd be able to work a lot quicker and get much better results. But I think the whole point here is there is so much out there to be

done. People are taking in the interest. It is a wider and bigger audience than it used to be. And in fact, I've changed the name of my own radio show from now That's Weird because these things used to be weird, to truth Box because these days it's about the truth, what's actually happening. It's no longer weird. So we've actually had a whole change on that. But going back to your point about UFOs, you know, I'm not discounting UFOs exist by the rate I've made earlier. I actually believe now

a paradimensional parallel dimensions. So rather than whizzing across space, you know, three million light years across space, they're actually moving through into dimensional portals. And I've got a picture which I think you may have seen when I did a presentation at UFO Congress of a creature that I confronted in Rendersham Forest.

Now, this is quite a strange story because I went to Rendersham to investigate the or phenomenon that people were photographing now and I actually went into trance myself. Now, I didn't believe in mediumship at that time. I certainly didn't believe that any of the mediums were anything more than cold readers. So for me to suddenly be, if you like, taken over by something that was

speaking through me was just horrendous. I just couldn't know it. But this stuff was all coming out, and it all related to what appears to be light frequencies and transition of human to light body for all kinds of weird stuff that's sort of back in two thousand and three made no sense to me at all. But I described this creature that was over my left shoulder, and lo and behold, one of the team actually took a photograph and there it

was in the photo. Now, we were on Track ten at Rembush and we've gone back to the cars to get some soup and coffee after this event happened, and he just plugged the camera into the laptop, so there was no time for any manipulation. And there was this picture as clear as anything, this alien looking entity right over my shoulder in of all places, rhndush and forest. So I've never been able to work out what that is. I've shown it at conferences all over the world. I've shown it to people,

to experts, to photography experts. Nobody yet has been able to give me any logical or rational explanation as to what that is in the photo. So I do believe there are entities there, and I do believe we encounter them, but I think it's in two dimensional gateways rather than you know, little green men. Yeah, that's very interesting. I mean it kind of goes back to I'm gonna rade this down because I not forget that. But when you talked about how you changed your name from now that's weird to the

truth box. It's kind of this evolution, which is a positive thing, and you can it's a good question to see if this evolution has happened, probably even more so in the UK than here to where a lot of this strange phenomena what was called paranormal, isn't so weird anymore. I mean, we have so much of it coming to us from the media where we've kind of evolved where that's not weird. But the phenomena doesn't just kind of sit there and stay the same as it always is. It gets more weirder.

It pushes the weird envelope. Oh absolutely, no, I agree, And I think you know, the more that it does that, the more people do sit up and take notice. But I don't know what it's like in America. Over Here, our mainstream news agencies, papers TV still tend to give it the little green men touch when they're covering the stories. They're still not taking it that seriously. And I think to get the real news you

still have to go on the internet. But again, when you go on the internet, you see so many hoaxes, so many videos that are I mean, if you look at the most recent one, which is the UFO over Jerusalem over the globe, it looks very much like a very very strong orb type shape shooting off into space at great, great speed, And when you look at it for the first time, it's a very convincing UFO footage.

When you look at it over and over again, you start to see little things that say, no, this has actually been played around with, this is not perhaps what it's supposed to be and then you start to get the feeling this is actually a total hoax video. So how many things on the Internet. Can you actually believe how many out there are being put out

for disinformation, for hoax, for mischief. It makes it really, really difficult for your average sort of UFO researcher to tell the good from the bad anymore, right, And that's a really good point because like you said, there, you know, there are some weird little things that are that Jerusalem thing that kind of threw me off at first, and now I'm like,

you know, I don't know what to think about it. But regardless of that video, there have been so many videos that have been hoaxed, and then so many people lately that have come out to be hoaxes, These people who have these extraordinary claims and then continue to make these claims repeatedly over long periods of times until they're outed, And it does make it very difficult and it almost makes I think it makes it that much more important for people to

get out into the field, to go out in SkyWatch or do like you did in the Renders Force, because there's nothing that can speak to this phenomenon like experience, like a personal experience. No, absolutely, And I often say that to the skeptical community. I mean, I no longer try to convince skeptics. That's not really what my game's about anymore. I just want

to get some interesting research and publish it. But when you do go out in the field and you're doing stuff, if you're actually open minded and a believer in some of this stuff, I e. Not necessary that you believe in everything, but that you believe anything's possible, you tend to get more stuff actually happen to you. If you go out into the field as a total skeptic, not wishing to believe anything, you'll find that nothing happens.

And this is why the skeptics say, oh, we've been doing this for years and we've never seen anything, because whatever it is that interacts seems to only interact if you actually want it to. And we were having an e strange conversation with a guy called John Mason, who's a photographer over here yesterday, and we were talking about how people walk into into positions and create their

own reality. And one of the things that I put across to him was that and I'm sure you'll understand this because you have more of these over there than we have in the UK. But demonologists they go around hunting for demons and they always find them. Now, isn't it funny? In all my years of power or paranormal research, I've never come across one because whenever I go into what's allegedly called a haunted house, I don't believe in demons and

I don't believe in the devil. The devil was something that was created by Christianity. It doesn't actually exist, So therefore, how can that appear to me? It can't because it's not in my reality. So I've never encountered one, nor will I. Now. The people that seem to see demons are the ones that believe they exist. Therefore, it's a creation of one's mind. You're actually creating that reality. Do you see where I'm coming from?

People are actually creating that around them, And that begs the question going back to Randlesham. Whilst I was channeling this information through, did I actually create the picture? Did I create the thing that was above my shoulder because of the information that was coming through the brain. M hm. That is you know, when you talked about the Randalshimp thing, ed reminded me of Nancy Talvit current Keys, and I know a lot of people struggle with this.

Robert Vanden broke out in Holland Who and they struggle because his what he says and what seems to be happening out there is so out there, and essentially he has instances just like you had in rendalsm Forrest, where when they take pictures, all of these weird things show up in the pictures, and he gets these messages from these things, and he seems to be kind of like possibly this interdimensional kind of channel type of thing. And like you said,

I mean it, that's what you know. This case in what you're talking about really reminds me of this relationship that's going on with these kind of invisible or this other side. Well, if you take science again, if we go back to science and look at some of the scientific thinking on, for instance, quantum physics, we try and keep this as simple as possible. But I'm sure you're aware of the shrouding as cat experiment, Alejandro right

with Schroding as cat. For the audience that perhaps haven't heard of it, it was a hypothetical experiment that didn't take place, but on the hypothetical experiment. If you flick open the box, the cat was dead and alive at the same time that was inside the box. Now, the reason for this is because the atoms from us interact with the quarks, which is something inside

of an atom inside the box. So what the scientist was saying is that we actually, through the way we think or the way we decide, dictate whether the cat's going to be alive or dead when the box is open. And when we open the box, if we think the cat's going to be dead, it will be. If we think the cat's going to be alive,

it will be. Now, if we go back to my previous statement about creating our own reality, you can understand how the Schrodinger's cat experiment would work and would actually now fall in line with some of the thinking in ParaScience. Yeah, and I love this kind of area because it does seem like knowing that line of logic just like you know what, the bleep, which

I love, kind of goes over. It's it's the science is almost starting to point to and I know a lot of the theoretical quantum physicists are kind of going there where reality is this shared consciousness is shared experience, that we co create together through our minds. Like you're talking about where this creation that starts happening, and you know what else is? I don't you just it just looks just like it says, going down the rabbit hole. I mean

that it's just kind of mind boggling all of that. Have you ever seen a film called The Secrets? Yes, right now, The Secret I must have been it. I didn't like the way they did it because it was made like an American sales promo thing, get the big swimming pool, you know. But the whole idea was based around this secret thing that we can actually manifest anything we want through creating around us. And that's the cat kicking its fall around us. I was gonna say, I think I hear one

of those cats, so they're tambourine going off. But no, I mean the whole thing is built around us being able to manifest anything that we want. Now, when I set up Glastonbury Radio here in Glastonbury, I didn't have any money to set it up. I didn't have the facilities, I didn't have the studio, I didn't have the equipment, but I just believed I could do it. And four years on I'm no longer a part of Glastomy Radio. I left it to do other things, but it's still going

strong. And I think it was something that was manifested from the universe because there was a need for it to be there. And there's many other things since that I've done the similar sorts of things where I've manifested things that I've needed at any particular time to be able to help me to move forward and

do the things I've wanted to do. But you've got to have that total belief in them to do it. And again, you know, I fall back on the schroding As cat experiment and say that we somehow or other set off these quarks which around us create a chain reaction to develop that manifestation that they talk about in the Secret. So we're all shooting off these quirks and their quirks are you know. That's why I try to be so positive. That's why I like the whole good you know, that sending out the good

vibes type of stuff. And I don't even say bad words Russ So Teem's kind of silly for an adult, but it's around that, you know, I don't want to send out any bad vibes. I want to send some good quarks out there to create some cool stuff. Absolutely well. I mean last year, you know, I went through a bad, bad year last year for a number of reasons. But you know, I was feeling very negative for myself last year, and everything around me was pretty much doing the

same thing. It was being negative. So it was like drawing. Like the moment I drew the line under it and said, no, I'm not having any more of this. You know, I'm going to be positive. I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do All of a sudden, I could fill my life starting to lift again. I could feel things around me starting to buzz. And it's very much that creation of the positive.

If you go online and say to everybody, I feel low or feel down, then that's exactly what you're going to get back, you know, because you're winging amongst other winges. If you like whereas, you want to be amongst the positives. You want to create the stuff around you. You want to be positive. You want to throw that out to the universe. And with all the crap that's going on in places like Egypt and that at the moment, you know, don't you really want to throw some positivity out

to those people out there. Oh exactly. Yeah, come on, dude, I'd really you've got to be positive here like the people too true, too true, it's got to be dumb. Absolutely. So bringing this back to Rendalsan Forest because I wanted to talk about that experience because that was pretty extraordinary. Did that give you some ideas around rendal Shem Forest because that those gentlemen at the basis had there were multiple settings that went on for a period

of time. It wasn't just you know, the nineteen eighties. There was we actually a reader who wrote us about can we put in there in our magazine something that he wentnessed there in the seventies a couple of different times when he was based out there. There's more sightings had to happen. Do you

think that's some kind of area that drives this kind of stuff? Yeah, well, of course, just off of there, there were underground bunkers on a small island just off the side of where they are weather lighthouses, and there were nuclear tests done out there. Now that there is a theory that a lot of these areas where there's been nuclear testing has created portals which have

opened doorways. There's a lot of areas around the world that have had similar, you know, strange experiences around areas where nuclear tests have been carried out, and certainly places where nuclear missiles are stored as well. There seems to be stuff going on. And we know now that Rendershan was one of those places that stored nuclear missiles, or at least the base next to it.

So I think, you know, yes, there is a connection there without any shadow of a doubt, And certainly the sheer number of people that have had experiences at Rendrush goes way way beyond coincidence and the laws of coincidence, you know, if you believe in coincidence at all, which you know I fail to now, but I think you have to sort of say, you know, feet on the ground, You have to look at things and say, okay, what else could be causing this? Now. One of the

things that I've also been looking at is cause and effect. You know, it is the activity that's happening the effect of something else, or is it the cause of something else? Because let's take an example, if you go into a room and you photograph orbs. Let's say you photographed the room first and there's nothing. Then the medium sits down and she channels something and all

of a sudden there's orbs in the room. Is the fact that the medium's in there and breathing and moving around, moving her arms, creating dust to come up to then be photographed by the camera. So, for instance, is it an effect of something else that's happening, or perhaps there's a ghost that's come into the room, something paranormal is actually happening that stirred up dust

and photograph in the ghost at all. But the dust, on the other hand, you could say, well, okay, it's directly the effect of so the medium is called up ghost and your photograph in that. So there's lots of ways that looking at cause and effect, and I think we've rendushed them. We have to take the same thing into mind, you know, of whether it's cause or effect, what's you know, the actually result of what people are seeing there? Right? Yeah? So, I mean,

I guess getting into the what I don't know. I can't form my question around for Russiam here, I guess go ahead of the subject, isn't it. Yeah, Well, I have like three questions I want to ask, and they come to like this note and then I'm trying to figure out which one and how and and so it's really because I get really excited about the whole you know, especially the intention stuff, and because of the science that's

going on there, which is really interesting. We think it is. That's the whole point, is that, you know, science itself is interesting. And once we get past the how do you say this lad offending people? There's been so many paranormal shows on television where UFO investigators basically calling everything they see UFOs and ghost hunters seeing you know, Boot screened Fred the ectoplasm.

You know, it's given the whole thing a bad name, and I think we need to take a step back, which is what I said earlier about the change from paranormal investigator to paras science researcher. It's just to maybe separate those two things, to give some credibility in new PR to a new name. And I think that's going to help us this year to be able to just dissect that a little bit and get a little bit closer to the science

field. Yeah. I always, you know, have felt that, and it doesn't seem like unfortunately a lot of those guys are interested in like you're saying I mean I know and you probably know of scientists who are interested in this field who would be willing to go out with them and to help them

organize their investigations in a way where scientific data can be retrieved. I mean, for instance, I know that some great paranormal groups have done things such as having their cameras be able to check the temperature as well as the EMF so you can see all of that while you're recording or filming, so you can start to gather some kind of correlation with the phenomena, the visual and

all these other types of energies going on. But you don't see that in the TV shows unfortunately, And they have the resources and then the ability to go beyond just like you said, kind of chasing these things in the dark. Well, unfortunately, see TV likes the what I call, you know, boost screening type television, the entertainment TV rather than the scientific and you know you'll see the ghost unters walking around with EMF meters in their hands,

going, oh, look it's going off. Well, as any sensible ghost hunter would know, if you walk around with an EMF meter, it will go off. It needs to be placed in one place, set and left there. You can't walk around with them, so you know, it's a silly thing to do, but you know that's the way it's portrayed on television, and it's very much what I call the who you're going to call brigade. You know, we need to come away from that. And you know

I was there. You know, there was a period when Ghost Detectives was on air on television where I was doing exactly that. You know, I was part of a ghost hunting team doing exactly what they're doing. But sort of ten years on, you know, my research has moved forward with science and I think, you know, other people should as well. Unfortunately, you know, they're still ten years back, sitting in dark, damp houses with a pair of torch waiting for frediectoplasm to appear through the wall for them.

Now, I want to get back to some of this, but to many other subjects they didn't want to talk about, or such as Gary McKinnon and more, to get kind of a perspective. I mean, it's something I wrote recently, a story on McKinnon, and I think that this story, it's incredible what it's blown up into to where David Cameron comes to the White House and him and Obama attacking about it even on television. Yeah,

and then we hear nothing for so long afterwards. Let me update you on the latest from over here, if I may on this first off for your listeners point of view. You probably already know this. But at UFO Congress, was it last year or the year before? I think I think it was last year. I was pulled to one side. No, it was the year before. I was pulled to one side by someone who's got strong

connections with the Council of Foreign Relations. And I was told that they love my radio show, they love the leakage, they love the stuff that I'm doing, But would I dropped the McKinnon stuff because nasty things happen to people get involved in that sort of thing, And I felt it was almost like a threat. It was like, you know, stop campaigning for McKinnon or else. And then of course last year I started having online attacks. We had you know, there was a cloning of a bank card and all sorts

of bad things happened to Penny and myself last year. It was almost as if because I'd totally ignored the warning and gone ahead and campaign for McKinnon. You know, funny things were happening. Now, this could just be a conspiracy, as people have said. It could be that genuinely someone's out to shoot me down because of what I've done. But I will always stand by what I believe. And as you may know, I'm practicing. We're not

practicing learning law over here at the moment and taking a law degree. And one of the things that was missed in the original court case was that when Gary McKinnon allegedly hacked into the NASA computers, he was using dial up computers. He wasn't using a broadband Internet stream or ADSL, which means that the crime wasn't a cyber crime. It was actually committed in the UK because it had to go through a British phone line before it could connect to the Internet.

That means under British law, to be tried here, he cannot be extradited. So I've put this point directly to the Home Office. Now, whether or not they'll take any notices is another thing. But one thing we heard was just a few weeks ago the Home Office had suddenly decided to put this out to public opinion, and they'd put a web page up asking people to suggest what they thought about the extradition laws and whether they were right or

wrong. Now, obviously there are people that think extradition is great because it gets rid of our terrorists, It gets rid of people that put bombs in the middle of buses and underground tube trains and whatever. So unfortunately you're going to get sweeping statements that are not necessarily going to do Gary any good because people are going to put their comments in on both sides of the fence.

But from what I can gather, the latest actual release from the Home Office has requested a second autism check on Gary m but Gary McKinnon saying that they want proof that he's definitely autistic. Now, if they can prove that and the he is definitely suffering from as burgess, then that would apparently make some considerable difference to the outcome of decision of the Home Office when they release it. Now, I've got an email that came to me tonight which I'd like

to read out if I may. I from Janice, Gary's mother, and she says, Hi, Ross. First of all, the Christmas card. Did you know politicians from all parties signed the card for Gary, including Desmond Swain, who is David Cameron's Parliamentary Private Secretary. Many of the lords and baronesses also signed the card and this in itself has prompted a debate in the Lords on Gary's case and they said there is enough medical evidence there that Gary's

extradition should be refused. Now in March it will be ten years since the alleged crime took place and nine years since Gary was arrested. In March two thousand and two, the Home Affairs Select Committee also asked me to give evidence, which I did and shammis from Liberty and Fair Trial abroad and they said

Gary should not be extradited but should be tried here. Keith Vaz, chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, also questioned Teresa May re Gary and the Home Affairs Select Committee have already said that the government should try Gary in the UK. We are currently waiting for Teresa's May's decision if Gary can be kept in the UK, and she has asked Gary to undergo yet another medical assessment, but we are insisting that only an expert in aspergers should reassess Gary.

It's Gary's birthday on the tenth of February and it's Autism Day in the UK on the thirteenth of February. All the best janis now I think you know. Janie has been brilliant. She's literally everything you would want from a mother. She stood by her son throughout this. She's maintained the story from the beginning that this is what he's done. He's never said he's not guilty.

All he's ever said is the charges have been trumped up. When he was originally arrested, they told him he'd get a few hours community service if he pleaded guilty. So therefore he pleaded guilty. And what he pleaded guilty too was a very poor attempt to hack into the NASA computer to find out details

of UFOs. Now, during that hack, on a radio interview with me, he said that he found details of a room where they photoshop out pictures of UFOs and other phenomena that was later backed up by Edgar Mitchell has said such a room exists at NASA. He also said that there were details of

twelve non terrestrial officers registered with NASA. Now, I want you to bear that in mind because when we come on to talk about SERPO in a little while, I think you might find that number very, very very relevant to what I'm going to talk about on that subject, So bear that one in mind. But I think the whole thing with McKinnon is, you know, he has said he's quite happy to stand trial. He doesn't necessarily want to

walk free, but he wants to stand trial in this country. And my own thoughts on this aalajandros Alejandro, I keep putting an s on this. My own thoughts on this are that we've had various courts dramas, if you like, in the UK where we've are the Americans to provide video evidence like the friendly fire incident in Iraq, and the Americans have said now they won't provide it because it's a matter of national security. We then had to force

them through the courts to show the video. Now, if it went to an American court, they wouldn't have to show that video. Therefore, I think the same thing applies with Gary. If it goes to a UK court, embarrassing documentation and information could come to light that the media could then publish, whereas if it goes to an American court, that could be hidden for

the sake of inverted commas national security. And I think this is the whole thing on the McKinnon case is they do not want this stuff creeping out into the mainstream media, and that's why they want him in the US courts. Interesting. Now, what I think though, even with that perspective, is that what it's come down to is it really does seem to be a very tricky situation in a very big ill between the US and the UK. It seems that really the the British government was deciding that you know, it was

bad for them. They didn't want to There are so many arguments such as yours, that the crime was not committed you know, in the US, so that he should be tried there, let alone his aspergers, that it made more sense that he shouldn't be extradited. However, it seems like they were kind of trying to well through the wiki leagues we see this, but also through you know, some of the conversations that have gone on. They've

tried to convince the Americans to stop their extradition. They tried to ask the Americans, you know, cut it out, let us keep him here, but that hasn't worked, and so now they're in this state where I think

they're afraid or for some reason. You know, they really don't want to deny the Americans this extradition now, and that seems to be the struggle, and it seems like they're kind of starling until they are going to really look at this extradition treaty which was changed to extra date terrorists, you know, not to be abused, just like all of the lies they came after nine

to eleven, to be abused in this way. Well, I think that's the important points because we always used to be proud in Britain of holding a British passport because it meant wherever you were in the world, the government would always get you back to England and you felt protected by that passport. You would go into an embassy, the embassy would fly you home and they would protect you. These days, it seems like we're quite happy to throw any

of our citizens to the Lions at whatever request. And you know, realistically, until someone's actually found and proven to be guilty, there should be no way they're extradited. It's as simple as that, and it's all too easy at the moment, and I think even the British government now I've seen that this particular ex addition treaty wasn't worded in such a way as they thought. It is one sided. If we want an American extradited to hear, we

don't find it quite so easy to get them. It is very very heavily weighted on one side, and certain other people that should be extradited from the UK tend not to be. It depends on what the US wants and how they want it. It seems that they write the rules and change them to

suit. There's something very very wrong with that system, and it begs the question, what is there to hide On the McKinnon case, Why do they want a guy who hacked in and he admits himself very badly because he's no master hacker to the NASA computer, tried to find out some stuff on UFOs, was only online for several minutes, and apparently now they're saying that he

brought down all communications for the US military and christ As. What are something that wasn't mentioned until just after the extradition treaty came into place, and he's now one of the most wanted and the talking about sixty to seventy years in prison. You know, now you've got to say that there's something being hidden there. They want this man desperately for something, but how it is.

I just don't see how getting him here would hide anything though. I mean, Gary has the chance right now and he has for the last year few years to tell everything he has to tell, which it seems he has. So I don't see where though, that getting him over here would hide. Well. Do you think, particularly if he goes into a UK court and the Americans say he brought down communications of you know, all of the military

aircraft and ships, they would have to prove he did. Now in a British court, proof is ninety nine percent in a criminal court, nothing less. In an American court, they could say, no, this is a matter of national security, we can't provide this evidence in court, and the court case could go along without the evidence actually being shown. Now, I

think that there's documents that he accessed. Possibly he doesn't even know quite what he's accessed yet, because when I interviewed him when he was talking about twelve non terrestrial officers, he didn't seem to have any clue as to what they were. It was just twelve non terrestrial officers. So I think perhaps he stumbled on stuff and opened a wormhole there that he himself doesn't even know what he's done, and he's tapped into something that's way, way beyond what even

he knows and understands. But all I can say is when I did the program on Serpo, on my radio show, I suddenly had three hundred and twenty one I think it was US government and US military hits to my server direct visits. No, I've never had that in a radio show in the five years I was doing it. So why were they tuning in for that one? You know there's something around that particular mission that's extremely secretive and they

do not want out there. I would think then that if that's all the case, the best thing, and we'll probably if if that is the case, this is what we'll see them do. The best thing for them to do is to let it go. Let Gary McKinnon be tried in the UK for UK crimes, which originally and I know there's been I saw there was discussion about this where they would try him under their laws regarding hacking, which he wouldn't get very much time for. But that's what they would have to

do because in that case, the America is out of the equation. They don't have to really provide any information to British courts and then the British handled it on their own side. I wonder if that's where this will go to then I think it probably will. I think eventually, you know, it's got to be the landmark case, if you like, because there's so much support over here for McKinnon now, and it's not just in the UK.

You know, there's even American support for McKinnon. There's worldwide supports. The whole Wiki leaks thing, which is still breaking wide open at the moment, is proving yet again that there's some form of conspiracy going on. Assalds is being charged with a sexual crime in Sweden which was never mentioned until all of a sudden it's this. You know, a rest came up in England for

the leak stuff. Now it's a case of well, we can't get people out of England very easy through extradition, but if we can get him extra dieded to Sweden, we can get him back to America where we want him. You know. So it's loopholes all over the place just trying to swing the big acts all the time, and I think the system is failing around them. I think, you know, the American governments are not now as

powerful as they were, and they're realizing it. I think, you know, some of the smaller countries are standing up and saying enough is enough. And I've got to say personally, as an American that I appreciate that. I think I was appalled by what happened after nine to eleven. We received

all of this support from around the world. People were so supportive of America and they felt bad for what happened, and in the period of a few months, the Bush regime was able to turn that around into the world hating us because we just use that as an excuse to say, we don't want to hear what any of you have to say. We don't care about our agreements with the UN, we don't care about any agreements. We're going to

do what we want. And it would be one thing if all they stuck to was terrorism, But it wasn't there abusing these systems that such as in this case, to do whatever the heck they want and to ignore these laws and treaties and agreements that have been made across the world. And so it's

nice to see that now it's backfiring absolutely. And another thing that I was told by someone in a position of power in America when it was in America last time at UFO Congress last year, was that there is a person who's employed now full time for the American governments whose job is to do nothing other than serve the conspiracy forums and if any of the conspiracy theorists get too close to the truth, to divert it by way of starting a new conspiracy theory

that will take the heat off it and push it elsewhere. So we've got an awful lot of disinformation and hoaxes circulating on the Internet purely because people are starting them. And a prime example of prime example of this I wrote to you about earlier. I don't know if you saw the note, but SETI

the Search for Extra Treasure and Intelligence. There was a room a going around just before Christmas that there were three big what they called motherships which SETI had seen and located on the edge of our universe, that had shown through communication hostile intent and were due to arrive here of all dates, December twenty twelve.

And of course everybody was just copying and pasting this information on Facebook and on Twitter and various other conspiracy forums around the net so before you know where you are, everybody around the world's scared shit list by this thing, you know. And all I did was I went on to the SETI site to a book, which I would have thought would be the first thing everyone would have done. And there's a disclaimer on this saying it's a hoax. The

whole thing is a total hoax. So why have so many people just taken this conspiracy at face value and viral posted it everywhere around the Internet without first checking it out at the home website of SETI. See now, it's how easy it is to start a conspiracy, right And this brings me to this is a good way segue to SIRPO, because that's exactly what it seems that

Richard Dotey's job was with the Air Force as Air Force Intelligence. We've had Linda Howan and Dolan where we've talked about Dody before, and Doty seems to be the genesis of the SURPO case. So is CURPO another one of these disinformation confusion tactics we it could be, you see, I'm mixed on the jury is still out on Surpo. But the more I hear about it, the more I get confused by it. I heard about it first off, when Bill Ryan from the Project Camelot came on my show and talked about it.

Now, we all know that Project Camelot can come up with some great stories, but don't always have all of the information directly in place. And that's nothing against you know, the people that run it. They do a good job investigating, but every now and again you find cracks in the woodwork. Now, when they first board it on, as I say, I got an amazing number of hits from US government and US military service, which I found unusual. But I didn't think too much more about it at the

time until Gary said about twelve non terrestrial officers. Now, when I was at UFO Congress, I was talking to Don Ware and Don said to me, oh, yeah, surpo is really it took place. He said, eight of twelve people went, eight, two died there, two returned. Now, hold on, I'll get it's two twelve went, two stayed there, to eight died and to eight return and two died. I think that's right. But he said that he'd met one of the two personally, so

or one of the eight and had a conversation with them. Now, he also mentioned that the spielberg film Closing Counters of the Third Kind was very much based on Surpo. And if you actually asks Spielberg directly the question, he won't answer it. He won't say no, he won't answer it. But the funniest thing for me was when I actually spoke to Edgar Mitchell, who was the six man to walk on the Moon. I said, what do

you know about Project Surpo? Now, as you know, Mitchell is a very intelligent man, and he's worked for NASA for a very very long time. And Mitchell said to me, he took a deep breath and said, I cannot say I'm aware of Surpo. I cannot say it didn't happen, which is not good grammar for a man that's that intelligent, which makes you think he was stuttering a little bit. He didn't like the question. You know, I'm very much one for body language and the way that people answer

questions as to whether or not they're covering anything. Now, if I can just take the listeners through a few points here, Project Surpo was also known Crystal Night. It was written off as a total hoax from the above top secret forum. Now I just go through some details here. It's supposed to be an alien exchange program which took place between the USA and the planet Surpo

of the Zeta Recular System between nineteen sixty five and nineteen seventy eight. It says twelve US personnel went, eight return, two died, and two remained on Surpo. Remember that number again, twelve. The story was broken by Bill Ryan at Project Camelot, and I had him on the show to talk

about it. Now. When we were discussing it, we went through various different things, and as I say, we had these hits from the governments and military servers, and I just had that gut feeling that you get sometimes that something about this just sticks. I couldn't just put it down to being a hoax. There was something else to it, and it made me want to keep digging. Anyway. I went on to Above TopSecret dot Com checked out what they've got to say, and it said it was a hoax.

And there was an interest in a statement that I found on an other related forum, and it says, and I'll just quickly read it out for you, it says that it seems that the Project Surpo has been exposed as a hoax created by McLean VA attorneys with possible government connections in concert with the three Amigos of above top secret dot Com, which also appears based on the material

collected to be QUE twelve pro. This one is really strange and makes a good example of what is being done to take over the Internet and the guys of just a few normal guys trying to make a buck. Now that's taken from the Bault Forum ba U t FO rum dot com. Then it goes on to say it hold on, we get to the next page here on my notes about these twelve non terrestrial officers. Now, that's exactly the number that's Gary came up with when he hacked into this computer. There were twelve

non terrestrial officers. Now, if you break that down, non terrestrial is non earth, which means that NASA has twelve employees that are off planet. Look at the number of people we've sent to the Moon, or the number of people that we've sent up in the shuttle or whatever. It's either way below a way over twelve. Never the number twelve. So I thought that

was strange, twelve non terrestrial officers. And then all of a sudden, somebody sent me through some stuff on Johnson Atole, which is an island in the North Pacific Ocean and Johnsonnatole apparently had a meeting recently where by the airspace was completely tied solid, no one was allowed within miles of it, and apparently there was a major UFO sighting scene landing on this island. Now, this was documented on three or four different forums, and then everything on it

was just wiped. It was like everything that had been put up had gone, all the forum pieces had gone. Everything. Now, I've done some research on the island and if you actually put Johnston Atoll into Google Earth, nothing comes up. You have to physically put in the coordinates of the island itself because nothing shows this place is so secret, it just doesn't come up

on any of the maps anywhere. So the whole thing, I mean that there's an there's a what would you say, an air of mysticism about it. I wouldn't say yes it's a definite hoax or yes it's a definite thing that took place. All I would say is with the information in front of me, I certainly couldn't discount it at the moment, and I think the jury has to remain out on it. I think Project Serpo may have been written off as a hoax by the government and by the people playing with the

government to take people away from the sense. In other words, that disinformation officer was there to close that one down as quickly as he could. Yeah, there's a lot of research that actually points to Dodie being a large part of the supoken information coming out outwardly, definitely, and some that some of

the un normal sources tay back to him. But like you said, and like historically, I think in the disinformation he has released, there has to be or at least you always want to put criminels of truth throughout the disinformation. And you know, some people suggest I've heard this idea that you know, like you said, the Spielberg movie is very similar to the Cerbo idea where at the end there's this exchange where the people go on the craft.

But some people think, well, that's similar to Holloman and then could Serbo since it came after the close encounters. Well, a lot a lot of people believe that there was a connection between the Holoman incident and the Roosevelt meetings and this sort of thing. This was all a pre preparation for what happened in the sixties. With SOPO, So you know, it could be all

interconnected. I don't know, and certainly I would, you know, think if anything like this was happening, we were talking about portals or black holes or whatever. Again, I don't see, you know, us having ability as of yet to travel that far planet's planet. So if that technology is there, it's certainly not been shared with us, have given to us as far as we know, you know, But then we don't know, do

we. This is half the problem with it. We don't know what's been going on at Area fifty one or Johnsonattole or any of the other secret bases.

For all we know, we might have like speed stuff they werelready Yeah, and you know, speaking of that, Michael Schratt did a great article in our upcoming magazine about Ben Rich where he did some research and ben Rich being in charge of Skunkworks, who made plenty of comments things like we have the even Spielberg related, we have the ability to take et home, alluding to some incredible technology. He said that is beyond anybody's imagination that they were

developing in Skunkworks, so that technology could exist. But unfortunately, there was a letter I saw from someone who was a departing MD of the Skunk Works. Now, I don't know if we're talking about the same one here, but in it he said everything seen from Star Trek has already been developed here on this facility, exactly the same guy. Yeah, So he had a lot of quotes like that and very well interesting because you know, I believe that a lot of this stuff is out there and it is it is ready.

One guy who you may want to talk to on your show at some point is well Thornhill. He's an Australian scientist. I had him on my program a little while ago and the video is still up on our YouTube site. He's actually been working on using gravity in our own electric field, the electric universe, to actually power faster than speed light and he's just won an award in Australia from the Scientist Guild out there for his work. He believes

it's there and it's ready now we could use it. It's just that what technology is there, for some reason, they're either covering up and won't use or they're already using it but they just don't want people to know about. Very very interesting guest, had a lot of good stuff to say. Yeah, it sounds interesting. It's all there. It's already around us, the electric universe, the electromagnetic magnetic stuff we were talking about earlier, from the

Earth self gravity, which is an electromagnetic force. You know, it's all there. We've already got everything we need to do away with rocket fuel. You know, we can actually travel on those things alone. Well, we're starting to run out of time, and before we do, I want to talk about what you're up to now, because you have a new website that you're setting up. But Truthbox dot tv and that's it, yeah, and truthbox dot co dot uk. They're on different links at the moment. They

will all come together at the moment. Truthbox dot co dot uk has got some test streams running on it through the day which are archive shows of now

that's weird. Whilst we make sure everything's up and working. Truthbox dot tv will be the TV format that will be the site for the TV when that launches, because we're going to be doing a show with myself and a female presenter every week, doing same sort of stuff really but just more sort of the truth and updated and you know, trying to break down some of the

barriers. And then there's Ross hemsworth dot Com, which tells you a little bit more about me and some of the stuff I'm doing personally, and that's going to be more updated over the coming weeks with some of the research I'm working on now. So you're kind of kind of reinventing yourself and resetting and starting a new Yeah. Yeah, I think that's about it. On top of it, I'm trying to study this law degree as well, so I think, yeah, very busy. So there's a lot of pay good out

in the UK. Yeah, not too bad if you get into the right section. But the trouble is, I'll be sixty by the time i'm qualified. It's a six year recourse, so it's part time, so I'm doing it around other things, so by the time I get there, you know, it's be too old to do it. But yeah, it pays well. Well, it's good that you keep your mind working because sometimes people kind of decide to kind of let it go and not use their their mind and

just kind of retire and quit. But you're out there thinking and doing and searching for the truth and getting the info out there. Well, I think that's the thing. And if people see that, you know you're an intelligent person that you're actually doing stuff like that, they tend to take you more seriously as well. And also, you know that there's so much rubbish going

on in this country with our government right now. It would be good to actually have the qualification behind me to actually go and take the government to court when they get it wrong, actually challenge some of the stupid, bloody rules we have in this country, some of the stupid laws that they bring in, and they slide legislation under us in what they call amendments to statute, which are rather than making rules the way they're supposed to, they bring them

in under the table so we don't know they're there, and then we just suddenly have to abide by them, and that has to stop right Well, thank you so much for being on the show. We're out of time. That time flew by, as it usually does, especially with our great guests, but thank you so much for coming on the air and staying up for us at RAS. No problem at all. Is always good talking to you, and good luck with UFO Congress this year. I'm really sorry that I'm

not going to be able to get out to it. Yeah, we're going to miss you. Guys, we really had hope. But hopefully we'll be there next year. Yep, for sure. Hopefully we can make that happen. Then you you too, Thank you very much, so we are almost out of time. Thank you everybody for joining Open Minds Radio. Next week we have Robert Dean, the guy who does the intro, and we'll be talking to him. He was a sergeant major who worked at NATO and saw

a top secret document called the Assessment regarding UFOs. What did he see? Well, you're gonna have to come to the show next week to find out. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio, and don't forget to visit openminds dot tv for more UFO news. Talk to you next week.