This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to Open Lines Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO
Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to Open Minds Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and today we have a great guest. We have Robert Saliz. He was at Mina Air Force Base.
He was an officer, he's a retired captain when UFOs went over this nuclear facility and the nukes were turned off. Some of you who are very familiar with UFO history, I already know about this, but this is the guy who was there, so we're really excited to have him on and talk about that. He's got some other aspects that he's looked into or that he's involved with. Also that he will tell us about. In fact, you may
know about the Condon Committee. This was a group of people the Air Force hired out of the University of Colorado to investigate UFOs and they pretty much they debunked the whole thing at the end, although they had some great investigations inside of the case. In fact, it's one of the rare cases where scientists actually declared this large object that was taken there was a photo of in McMinnville, Oregon, was actually scientifically proven to be some large metallic object in the
sky that nobody knew why it was there. So there was some great research to prove that UFOs were real, but for some reason, they still debunked the whole thing. Well, Robert has looked into their investigation to the mind not air force based nuclear incident, and he has some information to share with
us about that, so I'm excited to hear this. Also, him and researcher Robert Hastings have been getting together because Robert hastings specialty is to look into cases where UFOs have been around nuclear facilities, and they are putting together a press conference in Washington, d C. Where they're going to let the press
know about this and they're going to be having highly credible witnesses. They're all retired ex military to talk about their experiences witnessing and seeing this kind of stuff. So real excited to have him on today. He's a friend, he's been to the office quite a bit, he listens to the show, so we're excited to have him on. We've also got some news, some big
news for the show. We're moving time, so we're actually going to Monday evenings, so Monday at nine pm we will be live including this Monday, and a few days from now, in a few days, we're going to have Michael Luckman. This is exciting. It's rock and roll stars and their
experiences with ET's and UFOs. He's written a book on it. He's the authority you might have seen on our website recently that we wrote about Sammy Hagar and his experiences, so we'll talk about him, John Lennon, Michael Jackson, the list goes on and on a famous musicians who have had experiences. So that'll be Monday at nine pm. Here Pacific, Arizona. Time Arizona changes between Pacific and Mountain. Right now we're on Pacific, so you can
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lot of fun. Talking about our magazine, which is out in the bookstores, and we've got our second issue coming up. It'll be out June first in the bookstoes exciting. You can pre order it right now at open Minds TV, but without further Ado. Let's get into the UFO news. We are your ufone news source and we post on Openminds dot TV all of the news headlines on UFOs that come out, and we've yeah Jason McClelland our news
correspondent to share the latest with us. Hello Jason, Good afternoon, Alajndro, Hello Phoenix. Then hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief for Friday, April thirtieth, twenty ten. In the news this week, humanity should be doing all it can to avoid contact with extraterrestrials, at least according to Stephen Hawking. In a new documentary for the Discovery Channel entitled Stephen Hawking's Universe, the theoretical physicist mentions that alien life is almost certain to exist
in many other parts of the universe. He suggests that aliens might come to rate our planet for its resources, and to justify his thought, Hawking simply states, we only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn't want to meet. Yeah. Scary stuff, and you know, there are a lot of eupologists that feel that way, even though there's a lot of people in this field that are upset with what he
had to say. But Zacharia Sitchen, who's very popular to Samerian documents to talk about that kind of scenario and others. So you know, there are a lot of people upset with what he says. There are a lot of people who agree with what he says. So but it was interesting to hear him actually come out and say this, Yeah, make big news. The
Stephen Stephen Hawking's Universe begins May ninth on the Discovery Channel. Hawking created quite a stir with his comments about avoiding contact with extraterrestrials, but NASA doesn't appear
to be worried at all. At a press briefing Wednesday, Mary Voytech, a senior scientist in astrobiology at NASA's headquarters in Washington, said, within NASA's programs, our approach to the Solar System exploration has been that we are prepared to make discoveries of any type of life, any form, and we're prepared to make these measurements using the latest techniques in planetary protection. That is fascinating.
I don't know what planetary protection means they have, but it makes me think of Ronald Reagan and Star Wars Yeah, what are they not sharing planet? Maybe we have a cloaking device that's around the planet we don't know about. They must have something because they're not telling us. I liked one of the headlines which said something like NASA is ignoring Stephen Hawking and they're going forward with contacting or trying to anyway. So that's that's kind of funny. In
other NASA news, NASA revealed evidence this week of life on Mars. Data was recently collected by the Opportunity and Spirit probes sent to the Red planet that show the likely presence of a form of ponds gum ponds gum alejandro, the building blocks of life as we know it. That's where we all came from. Previous Mars missions have gathered evidence of sulfates, which indicate the presence of water on the planet. Methane has also been detected in the Martian atmosphere,
hinting at the possibility of life on Mars. So when I call you pondscum, it's not like I'm trying to be a jerk or anything. It's just, you know, that's where we all come from, that's our origins. So don't take offense. You can start calling me Ponscum if you like. And in entertainment news, it looks like Indiana Jones will be trading in his whip for a six shooter and a horse. Harrison Ford has been added to the cast of the upcoming Big Screen at a of the comic Cowboys and Aliens.
Ironman director John Farreau confirmed Ford's edition to the film via Twitter post. Cowboys and Aliens is based on the two thousand and six graphic novel and features cowboys and Indians battling aliens who land on Earth in the eighteen hundreds. This will be Harrison Ford's first strictly science fiction film since Return of the Jedi in nineteen eighty three. Looks interesting, should be good, hopefully hopefully. It looks kind of goofy, but it should be fun. Yeah. That's it
for the news, Alejandro. Remember to check these stories and more at Openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Mind's news correspondent, Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed back to you, Alejandro. All right, thank you. Yeah, some other interesting things that I think have been going on as Australia, they've been reporting a lot of UFOs. They've had a couple stories, one it's raining UFOs down Under and another one
called We're being invaded by NT news. That's Northern Territory News. So Australia has been getting a lot of sightings lately, which is kind of strange. I wonder what's going on down there. Then some a another one, Angela Joyner, who wrote for our magazine, had an article recently, so everybody go check that out. She's asking can we handle the truth? And it's in Reporter News and you could go to reporternews dot com to check that out.
It's Abilene, Texas's paper. So and she's a textan herself. If you remember her, she had a lot to do with Stephenville, Texas and the sighting out there. She was the first one to write the article which made national headline news. But we're gonna go to break. We'll be back with Robert Sallas and we'll be talking about nuclear sites and UFO. So stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Allejandra Rojas. I'm KFNX News
Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back to Oping Mind's Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas, and today we have Robert salas on and I believe he is on the phone right now. He's a retired captain from the Air Force and he's going to share with us his experiences at miy Not and other exciting details. Robert, are you on the phone, Yes here? Oh right, great, It's good to hear from you again. It's always a lot of fun talking to you. Another one of my favorite people in the in the field.
Thank you. So let's get into your experiences at mine Not and when this happened, and maybe just get into the details of how this all started. Uh yeah, well, let me just correct. It wasn't min Not. It was Malchs from Air Force Boy. I was stationed there from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen sixty nine, I'm sorry, sixty six to sixty nine. The incident happened, and this is a change from what's in my book, But the incident that I was involved in happened in March twenty fourth of
nineteen sixty seven. Real Briefly, I was on duty as a missile launch officer. I was down in a capsule sixty feet underground in control of ten nuclear missiles, and there were two of us down there. My commander and myself and we had about six guards upstairs. Got a call from one of the guards earlier. Well it was dark out, let's put it that way. It could have been late at night, early in the morning. I'm not sure about the time. Of course, we're sixty feet under and no
windows. But the guard said that they've been seeing some strange lights flying around and make any noise. They were making very erratic maneuvers. They weren't airplanes, and they just wanted to report it. And I didn't know what to think about the call. I you know, I just kind of shrugged it off and h did you kind of have a suspicion that your at least your
own facts of what that those might have been. Well, yeah, of course there had been reports in the newspapers for some time about UFO sidings and new Yes uh. As a matter of fact, in our book, we we have made copies of those reports, those news reports and put them in there leading up to our incident. So I even mentioned the word UFO to them, I said, you mean, like UFOs. They just said they
couldn't explain the lights. So I didn't think much of it. Hung out, but you know, within A minute or so later, he calls back, and this time he's screaming into the phone, obviously frightened, and says he's looking out the front window and seeing a glowing red object hovering just above the front gate. He's got all the guards out there with their weapons drawn and wants me to tell them what to do next. Oh, I didn't know exactly what. I can't remember exactly what I said. I think I've
heard something like make sure nothing comes inside. But then he hung up. He said one of the guards got injured. I went to tell my commander about these phone calls. He was taking a rest break. We had a little cot down there, and as I was starting to tell him about the calls, all of a sudden, we got a lot of those and whistles go off in the capsule, which happens when there's a problem with any of
the weapons. So we look over at the board. We have a display board down there, and uh, all our missiles started going from a green go condition to a red no go condition, which means they couldn't be used. They couldn't be launched while this object was still up there. I recall, all our missiles went down. Uh, my commander recalls approximately eight of them going down. So a little bit, what's that? So at least
a portion of him he still remembers went down. Oh, yes, absolutely, he supports what I've got in my uh, in my account in my book paid a giant And by the way, well let me just finish real quick. We go through our procedures. He calls the command post, which is back at Great Falls, Montana at mals from Air Force Base. We're about one hundred miles away at location near Lewistown, Montana. But he calls
back and reports this incident and they tell him. He turns to me and says, the same thing happened at another flight wow, which later turned out to be well, it turns out to be that was Echo Flight, and we were at Oscar Flight. So but in researching this later on, I found out that Echo Flight went down on March the sixteenth, which is approximately a week before ours, and ours went down on the twenty fourth. And the reason I'm sure about the date now is because of the other witnesses that
have come forward since I wrote the book. You said one of the guards got hurt. How did he get hurt? Well, actually, he injured his hand trying to scale the fence, so he kind of creaked out and tried to jump the fence. And exactly, we had barb wire around the fence. And this is a very frightening experience, extremely frightening. This is something way out of the ordinary. These guys had never seen before. And now, how close did they feel the object was? I would say the
object was, you know, less than one hundred feet away. The front gate is fairly close to the main building we had, the security building, so it was pretty close to these guys. It was really close. It was a pulsating, red glowing object. A later confronted the guard when I got relieved that morning by the next crew, and he couldn't give me much more detail. He said he had a hard time distinguishing the object itself because of the of the glow of the light. How long did they say the
objects stuck around? A short period of time, probably a minute or so, Okay, and that was during the time where the missiles went to their no go exactly. Yeah, and they had no control. I got to emphasize, they had no ability to control the missiles from the top side. We had all the gooles downstairs as you might imagine, it was a very secure facility, very reliable. It's this sort of thing, missiles shutting down for no reason, no apparent reason. It was very rare. I was
there for three years. Nothing like the the close to this ever happened while I was on duty there. How long were the missiles in that state? Well? I had to be brought up back up to alert status. So because the main failure mode was guidance in control system failure, so the guidance package somehow was affected, so they had to have crews come out there and physically bring them back up. Wow. So that must have taken a period of time, at least a few hours, if not in the day,
or probably at least a day. Wow. So it took quite some time. So I'd imagine then that this incident was investigated. Well, the Echo flight incident was investigated. Now you know that we were basically sworn to secrecy after we reported back to the base. We weren't even able to talk to
the guards again or even ourselves. Uh So, what I started talking about this in nineteen ninety four after seeing something in Timothy book Timothy Goods book Above top Secret, and uh so that's that's when I started getting documentation put together that I received under the Freedom of Information Act, and that's how we were able to get the information put in our book. What were you told back then? Did they just mark it up as a malfunction. We weren't.
We were literally literally told nothing. Wow, it exactly we were. We reported what we had as far as the incident, and we turned over our logs the information we had and we were told by a member of a fo SI officer Special Investigation of the Air for the Air Force, uh not to
talk about it ever to anyone. And and there was what was unusual is that, you know, we were given briefings every morning we went on alert about things that were going on out in the field about the technical aspects of the of the weapons system and and any modifications they were doing and anything that we're working on. I mean, it was a pretty thorough briefing we got.
And like I said, I was there for another couple of years and nothing was ever told to us about the ongoing investigation that was happening about this incident. They had quite a big investigation going wow, but we were never told anything about it. How interesting, you know, We've got to go to a break here real quick. But then when we come back, we'll talk more about the investigation. And you know what you found from the Condon
investigation, so that ought to be really interesting. I'm exciting to hear what you found. And we'll also then get into some of these other cases. I know a lot of people get my not in Malstrom mixed up, and I because that there was an interesting case that happened out there, and I'm usually really good at keeping those straight, and I mess it up at the worst time ever. So stay tuned. We'll be back with Robert Salas right
after this break. This is Open Mindes Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. We have our guests Robert Salas, retired captain from the Air Force, explaining really an incredible event that happened at Malstrom Air Force Base back in the sixties when UFOs flew over and the nukes went into a no go status. So I think you were there any other details that you left at when you were going over
what had happened at the Air Force base. Robert uh no I think I covered basics the basics. If anybody is interested in getting more details, they can go to cuf o N dot com wwcu f o N dot com and go to special reports link and they can read up on the mouse incident. Great, and they can also get your book on Amazon dot com. Faded Giant is the name of the book. Is there a website where you have that book? Also? Uh no, not yet, Okay, so go to Amazon. Uh huh great. Yeah. So let's get into the Condon
report you said you had. I explained earlier in the show what the Condon report was when the Air Force played the University of Colorado and Boulder, of which I'm an alumni, to go investigate UFOs and they pretty much kind of debunked the whole thing. And you went in to look into their study on your case on the malstroam case. Yes, I did. A couple months
ago. I was able to get some notes of doctor Roy Craig. Doctor Roy Craig was a member of the common team in charge of the investigations actually of the incidents. He heard about the Malstrom shutdowns and that the UFOs were involved from Ray Fowler back in nineteen sixty seven. I think it was August nineteen sixty seven, so this is a few months after the incidents occurred.
He actually visited Montana in October of nineteen sixty seven, armed with a lot of information really from Fowler, who had gotten the information and as a result of him being by working for Sylvania was a contractor for the electrical systems.
But anyway, he had names, and he knew about the UFO reports that was told UFOs were not well, and he failed to So I'll just go through this real briefly because I have written an extended article on this, and again people that are interested in this can go to UFO Chronicles website and they can read the complete report. But three things Craig failed to follow up on
interviewing witnesses like myself. There was a report of the investigation and Air Force report that was classified, but doctor Robert Lowe, who was the assistant to Condon, had authority to view classified reports, but low never followed up on that, and I've got this documented. And the third thing was that the Air Force did have classified, classified reports of UFO incidents that were never included
in blue book, that were excluded from review by the Condon Committee. So those three things again point to the facts that the Condon Report was a whitewash.
Now why is that important for us? Because as a result of that report, the Air Force claims that there's no reason to further investigate the UFO reports, that there's no national security interest, and they basically stopped investigating officially officially of course, right, So, and I would imagine you feel that even with a mouse from Air Force shutdown, those were investigated by the Air Force and possibly, if not probably UFO incidents are still researched by the Air
Force, just not publicly exactly. Yeah, there's no question about that. And there have been other incidents, is like you said, the Echo flight, and I know you work with Robert Hastings. He's found many other instances of UFO events having to do with nuclear sites. Yeah, Robert Acings has written a book, as you know, called UFOs and NUP and he's documented
quite a few incidents with UFO sightings around nuclear facilities. Again this nuclear weapons facilities and also at nuclear test sites and where nuclear material is being made, such as Hanford in Washington. And he's got quite an extensive accumulation of witness testimony in that book. I highly recommend that one also. But now that you bring the AB I'd like to mention the press conference that we've got planned.
We've got a press conference that's all set for this year September twenty seventh in the afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, d C. We're going to bring together a group hopefully ten to twelve eyewitnesses to UFO incidents,
specifically at or nearing nuclear facilities. And I think we want to focus on this because I think, for example, my incident was simply a message that we need to take seriously eliminating our nuclear weapons here because and I think with the latest emphasis by the current administration to start an arms limitation treaty with the Soviet Union, which still needs to be ratified, by the way, is an indication that it's nuclear weapons are not strong deterrent and they simply add too
much of a danger to destroy the planet based right, Yeah, I agree.
I mean, how scary is that, especially back I can only imagine, you know, you hear about this when you were a kid, how people used to live in the sixties, and you know, showing the films that that can cover with the nuclear just living under the fear of a nuclear war when, like Carl Sagan had research had shown something like sixty of those nukes from back then, which aren't even as powerful as what we have now, would cause a nuclear winner which could kill all life on the planet exactly.
So anyway, we're going to focus on that issue in particular. We are going to try to ask for donations to support this effort, and if anybody wants to donate, they can go to UFO Hastings dot com and follow the link to the page where he talks about the press conference. So I just wanted to get the head end. Yeah, UFO Hastings dot com. You know what, I'll put some more information on our website about this stuff because that's extremely important. I mean, these people are very credible. Obviously.
You know, You're not alone as a retired hair cost officer in these experiences, absolutely not. And it does take a bit of you know, courage to get up there and talk about these things, especially since for a lot of these people, they've never spoken about this in public. I've been speaking out about fourteen years on this now. Yeah, well many of these people have not. Now did you start talking? Was it the Disclosure project
where you started talking about this. Actually I started talking on that's when I went on sightings, and I believe that was Oh okay, we were talking about that, and what a great television program that was. I have a lot of the UFOs. I think I have a whole collection of the UFO stories that they had covered about how important it was and what a great job
that they had done with this subject. Well, we got to go to bring again, so we'll be back soon and I want to get more into talking about the motives why you think these UFOs are flying around the nuclear sites. So we'll be back with retired Captain Robert Soliz on Open Minds Radio. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former officials, folkesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, welcome
back. This is our last segment for the show, which is a bummer. Business is such a great conversation. But I should tell people you can call in if you like. If you're in the Phoenix metro area, that's six h two two seven, seven, five, three six nine. If you're outside of the area, the toll free is one eight sixty six five, three, six, eleven hundred, and then those of you in the
chat, you know, feel free to ask a question. Remember you can watch us live and chat with us during the show at openminds dot tv as well. I wanted to ask you, Robert, and I think you touched it on it a minute ago, but just kind of focus on this subject particularly, which is why you think these UFOs have been visiting these nuclear sites. Well again, you know with let me tell you. Let me try
to answer that with an interesting story which is ultimate in my book. But one of the men that went out to bring the missiles back up this was
an echo fight. I told me this story, and he hasn't decided to come forward yet, so I'm just relating the story and I'll just call him mister X. But he was down inside the missile silo when one of his guards, he was working on bringing the missiles back up to alert status, one of the top side guards motion for him to come back up topside, and so he walked back up the ladder and it takes a look and sure, how, here's this orange ball that's hovering near the side. For some
reason, he decides to go back straight down. The guard was scared to death, but he goes straight back down and returns to bring the missiles back up to alert, and he's going through his procedures and when he reaches a particular point in his procedure, the missiles shuts down again. And he repeats this over and over, and he told me that he felt almost like a rope of energy coming down the tube and somehow interfering with what he was doing. The reason I tell his story, and by the way, this guy
is hugely credible. He's very high up in an aerospace company. That's why he can't come forward at this time. But I tell that story because these objects, and we can argue about where they come from or what they are, but they know exactly how our systems work. They knew exactly how the missile systems work and were able to shut this thing down, you know,
whenever they wanted in great details. So I think I think they just demonstrated that they could do that to us, and that's why they shut our missiles down again. Ten at Echo flight on March sixteenth, another tenant Oscar flight on March twenty fourth. It was a demonstration by them that they could do
this and basically a message. I take it as a message, and of course this is just my own take on it, and the message was get rid of your nuclear weapons, are going to you're going to just destroy the planet a lot. Then you're already doing it. Yeah, I used to
think, you know, fantasize around hopefully you know. To me, I think it's almost incredible that we've had these nukes around for so long and really haven't used them on each other that often, that we got through the Cold War, and of course we have our problems with North Korea and all that now. But I like to think that maybe they're turning them off. They've tried to be used, that they've been turned off. That would be nice, and hopefully be nice if they did say you can't use them, just
turn them off whenever we try to use them. But who knows. But
it is interesting. I think, you know, you guys are touching on something very important, because the whole beginning of you know, modern euphology began sort of well it didn't, Roswell didn't get popular till the eighties, but still Roswell was an important aspect and a lot of people feel that policy was beginning to be built around this subject due to Roswell, but that was also a nuclear site, of course, not very far from the Trinity location where
nukes were discovered and built in the first place. That's right. Yeah. Ros Web Force Base was the five on ninth. The bomb wing was the only bomb wing in the United States that had nuclear bombs at the time. Exactly have you been able to meet with some of the Roswell witnesses and such as maybe Jesse Marcel Junior. I had not. I've of course met Don Schmidt, who wrote book, and there's done a lot of research on that.
You probably have, right, I'd assume that since you've been in this field, did you have gone around now and done some lectures and gone to some of these conferences, met some other convincing people, people that you feel are compelling and have an incredible story related to this subject. I was wondering who might some of those people be related specifically to shut or shutdowns? Yeah? Either one? Uh, yeah, I I I keep an open mind about all of the stories I hear. Of course. I just came back
from walk when you were. You were also there and and I was amazed at the reports, uh that I heard there. I'm trying to think of anybody in specific that, Yeah, Laughlin, there's certainly a range of some of the stuff that's a little hard to swallow, pretty you know, unconventional, and then you know, all the way to people like Wendelle Stevens, who is in the Air Force for a long time, or others that have stories that are a little similar to yours, where it's a little more enigmatic,
but something that was witnessed by a lot of military people. Yes, and of course I've talked to other military people. We talked to many many military people. Well, you know, I was helping Robert Hastings with his book in some of the research and also the research that James Quatz. By the way, I would like to mention the work that James Quatz did. He's the investigator that worked on our story and he's just an outstanding investigator.
He's the co author of Fader Giant The Randolphin Forrest. I wanted to ask you about this. Some people debate that rendel S Forrest was an important one where there were a lot of the UK release and files where there were servicemen because it shared there's an American base there and they saw UFO there and James
Peniston was a gentleman who went and actually possibly touched this thing. There are some rooms because Ben Waters isn't supposed to be a nuclear site, but there are rumors that perhaps it is. Do you know anything about that debate? Well? I did. I don't think I'm saying anything out of school here, but I did right to Colonel Halt and asked him if the object that he saw hovered over nuclear storage facility, and he confirmed that he thought it
did. I can't I can't relate another story that out of Aviano Air Force Base, Italy, and this, let's see, I'm trying to remember, happened probably in the late seventies, but it is a NATO air base and had nuclear nuclear weapons stored at the base. And there were confirmed witnesses, a couple of them, that told about an object flying over the weapons storage area and actually shining a beam of light over the storage area. This is
document actually move On has has documented this in one of the magazines. I get the information also from Jerry Rawls. I don't know if that name means anything to you, but Jerry Rawls was head of move On in the state of Washington for a period of time, and he actually interviewed the witnesses for this and wrote an extensive article about it. But there again nuclear weapons, UFO comes over, shines the light on them and flies away. I mean
it's it's just a message. It was nothing more than that. I mean, I think that's one thing that we can definitely grasp. I mean, that's the well is so enigmatic in what they're doing, who they are, what's going on. But I think that is one thing that we can definitely really get a hold of, is that there's a definite interest in our nuclear sites. I mean you've documented that, and so as Hastings, which is really interesting. Yeah, Hastings also has witnesses that were at nuclear test sites.
I don't want to take away his thunder because I think you want to have as a guest later on. Well, we're out of time. Thanks for being on the show. UFO and newts is Robert Hastings. But you can get Faded Giant, which is Robert's book on this subject, and you also talked about getting information on the press conference at UFO Hastings dot com.
Thank you so much for being on the show. My pleasure. Yeah, we'll definitely have you on in the future, and thanks for all of your support and everything you've done in the being so brave to come out out and talk about this. By the way, I just signed up for Open Mind's magazine Great. It's a great magazine, so hopefully you'll like it. And actually you wrote a review in our second issue I did, yeah, so it was a great review on the Phoenix Lights documentary that they had on TV
the other day, so thanks for that. I want to tell people we're going to have Michael Luckman, remember rock Stars and UFOs next week. That is Monday at nine pm, So just a few days from now we'll be on the air again with Michael Luckman. It'll be a lot of fun, so listen in and thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Keep fugging the smooth so much.