Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja, Alejandroojas. That is I and this is Open Minds Radio and we are very happy to have you with us today. We have a great I'm was really excited. I was so I was able to get today's guest so quickly to sign up and to get on the show, and that is David Paris. I read about him a few weeks ago because he
did a conference at the University of Nebraska in Omaha. I was kind of a small little affair that he did with his colleague, doctor Jack Kasher, who is a physicist at UNO. That's what they call the Universe of Nebraska
and Omaha will call it UNO from here on out for your reference. But you know, these are a couple of professors at the school, and there probably are not too many universities out there, if any other universities out there, that have a couple of professors that are so into the UFO subject and paranormal overall that they have little conferences. How cool is that? So that was really exciting to see that got a hold of David Parris. It turns
out he is an adjunct professor. He teaches at several schools. He teaches on astronomy, astrology, geology, all of these ologies. He doesn't have a class on upology, but he loves UFOs. But they do have a radio show, a student radio show on paranormal and UFOs, and he has
a radio show that on astronomy. They do all this paranormal investigation. He has his own theory about UFOs and the propos and believes that some of these Bermuda triangle stories where they've played to have said they've kind of flown into a vortex and then showing up miles away from where they were supposed to be, could lend some vital evidence as to the nature of the technologies that UFOs are using. Very interesting, very high level scientific stuff that he gets into,
which honestly goes a little bit over my head here and there. Maybe I should have the Georgio Tukulos hair that goes a little higher so I can catch those physics scenes that don't go over my head. But so he's a great, great guy, and I'm really happy to have him on the show today. We'll be talking to him later about all of the topics that I mentioned earlier. So this is going to be a lot of fun people. And
here again, this is someone he's been on coast to coast. But you know, there's a lot of these great people out there who haven't done a whole lot of interviews and stuff, but they just have this amazing information and they're really cool, incredible people. We love cool incredible people, and we got another one today, so we'll have him later on in the show,
and we're gonna give him a little more time than normal. So we're going to get straight into one of everybody's favorite parts of the show, and that is the news from our UFO news correspondent, Jason McClellan. Hello, Jason, And sometimes I also fall in the cool incredible category, right, Oh for sure? All right, that's given to check. So cool, so credible. Appreciate it. Jason McClellan. Well, greetings everyone, this is your Open Minds News Brief for Monday, April ninth, twenty twelve. Start
up with some UFO sidings today. A flying saucer was recently photographed emerging from the smog in Beijing. The photographer reportedly took the photo of this UFO from an overpass with a cell phone camera, and the witness claims to have been focused on the traffic below, so the flying saucer wasn't discovered until the witness reviewed the photo on his phone. This photo was published by website io nine.
They republished it from another site, but they were unable to locate the witness's statements anywhere other than the Canadian And for those of you who don't know the Canadians as online newspaper that likes to advertise itself as being an alternative news source, and they really accept submissions from anybody and they publish anything. So their information is less than credible. So it's up to you to decide if
you want to believe that or not. But yeah, interesting photo. I mean, this UFO in this photo is like your old fashioned flying saucer kind of coming out of this smog. But yeah, it's so hard say it was such little information. But if that is real and this thing was able to survive this dent pollution over Beijing, that is some advanced technology. That is for sure. Good ventilation, yes, good ventilation. Well, I don't know if well, I'm pretty sure you've noticed this, Alejandro, there
seems too. In the past couple weeks been a lot of video taken from airplanes of UFO out the airplane windows. There was video of UFO recorded by an airplane passenger on a flight that was over Canberra, Australia on April fourth, and the video shows a small white object and you can't really see much detail. It's kind of far away, and it moves very quickly. It zooms past the airplane, flying at a lower altitude than the airplane itself.
You see the video, then you see this things just go who under sort of below where the airplane is flying, no detail at all. Even if you slow it down and go frame by frame with this this video so impossible to tell anything with that one either, you know, going at an incredible rate of speed. Some people have also pointed out that this there could be an indication that this video in particular could be a hoax because at the very beginning of the video, if you look at the far left of the screen
where this object, you know from the direction this object comes it. At the very beginning of the video, you already see the object there just for the first second of the video, the object is there and as the plane goes, you know, it falls off the screen and then seems by, So it's possible, I guess that that thing was there, but it kind of goes with the plane too, like but not moving. So it could be an indication that it's a glitch from some animation done to the video.
But you know, that's that's undetermined. Could be a hint though. But that's just one of many that have happened in the past couple of weeks. It was even one today from I think South Korea, South Korea. So I don't know what it is. I mean, I think, you know, these things have been in the news a lot, and that that one was even covered by the Daily Mail, I think. Yeah. The hard part is we had the one a few weeks ago that kind of started this
craze. And this was a gentleman Amsterdam, right, that was Amsterdam, and supposedly this guy flew from Amsterdam to his home in Dallas. In Dallas, took some video of his peppers and his tree, and then the next day or I think it was even the same day, posted that picture in his video. I mean, all in the same day of flying back from Amsterdam, so that one kind of looks a little suspect. So I don't know it all started from this. And sometimes you know, especially in the
news, it's like that there are or with trends like this. You know, there's a video that gets popular and then lots of people come and fake stuff. But yeah, I don't know, the Australian one looks kind of cool. I mean, it looks kind of interesting. So yeah, it's really hard to say. You certainly have more people. You know, everybody has a cell phone now, almost have cameras, and you know, I think there are a fair number of people who do look out the window for
things. I know, I certainly do every time I'm on an airplane, I'm all, hmm'd be cool to see something out there. But you know, I certainly don't have my camera just shooting out my plane window hoping something will fly in front of it. That's the other odd thing about these videos that they happen to just be shooting the nothingness out their window and then something
happens to fly in front of it. I mean, I guess I can see that some people want to record the sky because it is cool flying above the clouds and everything, and it does look awesome, So you know, that doesn't necessarily mean that something is not genuine. But I don't do that, but I'm sure there are people who do, and so they you know,
there's always that chance that they could catch something. Yeah, And the hard part is that a lot of these have not gottene or none of these for the most I don't think any of them come from reliable sources as far as reporting or anything either. I'm not sure where the one the original source today was the one that was in the Daily Mail. Yeah, and daily
Mail, as we know, is not that great of us. I even think their original source might have been YouTube as well, where a lot of them get this initial information and they even fight that is well, the video on YouTube shows in the video information and then they'll say and more times than not, that YouTube channel that it's on is some UFO citing channel. So
who knows where they're getting their information from. Either. What is great from these better credible news sources is when they talk to the witness and they do some sort of investigation, and at least with a bigger news source, they they have to do that sort of thing. Before posting a story. Even you know, our good buddy Least Spiegeler does a lot more research than most of these places that just kind of pull something off a YouTube and say here's
what YouTube says and decide for yourself. Yeah, because they have the money, that's what's frusturing. They can at least try to get some analysis done, but they never do, unfortunately, and getting that firsthand witness testimony counts for a lot. Yeah, you know, when you're just getting off some random YouTube channel, Yeah, witness said this, and you've got no other
source for that testimony. Yeah, it's difficult. Well, I've got another UFO sighting here, and this is well, this isn't really a sighting, but it's a possible UFO crash. An Argentinian farmer recently filed a complaint with local authorities. He alleges that a UFO landed in his cornfield, leaving behind a six foot wide path of crushed corn plants that extends for nearly two thousand feet. There are also witnesses who claim they saw quote a ship with strange
lights and colors flying over the area end quote. But unfortunately, and this sucks for the farmer, none of these witnesses have officially testified on behalf of the farmer, so they say they saw it, but they won't take the time to go down to city hall or whatever for this guy's like case and say, hey, I know what they're afraid of. I don't know either, but the officials say that because they're not officially going on the record,
it's made it for a difficult case. So this poor guy is out his corn and he can't get any help because people aren't What an interesting story though, because I mean, it can't be easy to crush all that corner in a six foot you know. It's a very interesting case. And they've even
gone out and investigated and found no tire tracks. There's no other, you know, possible reason for it. They said that sometimes similar things will happen and people will steal people's crops, but there was no crop theft, no tire tracks, crush, just this long sort of pathway where something crashed into it. So that's very strange. It'd be cool if more people come forward because apparently multiple people say they saw some sort of craft with multi colored lights
when Wednesday story, I don't think I actually saw it. It was just reported today I believe it happened a week ago. Okay, Yeah, So hopefully more people will come forward and we'll get some more information. Yeah, because it sounds like a good case and they're actually investigating it. Yeah. Cool. Well. Various discoveries by NASA and other organizations during the past few years have generated considerable interest within the mainstream media and the general public in the
search for extraterrestrial life. NASA's Kepler Space Telescope has been on a planning hunting
mission since two thousand and nine, searching for Earth like planets. The mission has already confirmed the discovery of sixty one planets and found more than two thousand planetary candidates, and recent data from the Europeans so they're in observatory, their harps, their heighth Accuracy Radio Blossily Planet Searcher planet hunting Telescope, as we discussed last week, suggests there are tens of billions of Earth like planets in
our galaxy alone, many thoughts to have the correct conditions to support life, and these recent discoveries have excited scientists and are fueling additional efforts to search for life elsewhere in the universe. The Canadian Astrobiology Network known as CAN Centered at
the University of Western Ontario, announced last week a partnership with NASA. The press release from CANS stated, quote, a number of extraterrestrial targets, including Mars and the Moons, Europa and Titan, have been identified by NASA as having the potential to host life or to provide valuable insight for researchers and scientists into the conditions that may have been present on Earth when life started end quote.
As an affiliate within the NASA Astrobiology Network, CAN hopes to quote strengthen existing ties, facilitate the establishment of new collaboration and enhanced training opportunities for both Canadian and American researchers and students. And more exciting though to me and probably U Alejandro, last week was the announcement that the Kepler mission we talked about
a lot on this show will continue at least through twenty sixteen. It was originally scheduled to conclude later this year, but NASA announced that funding for Kepler is being extended. At space dot Com explains, NASA's prolific Kepler space observatory, which has found signs of thousands of alien planets, will keep hunting strange new worlds for at least four more years. That is awesome news. Go Kepler, hooray Kepler. But they did. I think there are four or
even more perhaps programs that they recently extended. These are programs that were scheduled to be scrapped the funding cut, but they've been so successful that they've decided to continue them because there's so much data still being collect Did buy these programs Kepler specifically? Yeah, Yeah, it's exciting, so exciting, all right, And let's see The search for extraterstal life is a major component to space
exploration, but some scientists are specifically searching for our relatives. Space dot Com reports that a team of researchers is searching for quote siblings of the Sun Star is born from the same parent star cluster because they may have been seeded with life from Earth. So the idea known as pants bermia, and we've mentioned that on the show before, isn't a new idea, and it's actually an idea. Some scientists think that's how life on Earth may have began from pants
bermis, right, seeds from other things spreading to Earth. The process of pants burma is explained to space dot Com by astronomer Mari Weltnin of the University of Turku and Finland. These states the idea is, if a plant, if a planet has life, and if you hit it with an asteroid,
it will create debris, some of which will escape into space. And if the debris is big enough, like one meter across, it can shield life inside from radiation and that life can survive inside form millions of years until that debris lands somewhere. If it happens to land on a planet with suitable conditions, life can start there. Daltonan and his team theorized that if Earth was bombarded by comets and asteroids long ago, life bearing debris could have transferred to
other planets when other stars were much closer to our own. And it's based dot com explants quote that means somewhere out there in the galaxy might be your lung lost cousin. Unfortunately, they don't really mean like if a piece of Earth breaks off and you know, you and your family get a free trip to that a reticuli, you'd probably die, but yeah, but the bacteria inside of your belly and body would probably live on and it would make it.
And that's what we go forward pants burm me. It's an interesting theory to a lot of scientists. It makes sense. Oh yeah, I was wondering where you're going with that too, because I was going to say, if they're looking for my relatives, they're in Globeville in Denver, not too hard to find. Well, this is just some scientists, it's not all
and you know there are some far out scientists. Yeah, it's a great theory, and a lot of people feel and there happened arguments that, of course that's where life came from here, which makes sense because that's what we see here. Lots of life made it to like Hawaii, which is the volcano that came up and then coconuts and things floated over there and sprung life a lot. How to let me squeeze in one more story before I'm done
here. An extra trustrial life could be hiding in recently discovered lava tubes on Mars. Photos taken by the European Space Agencies Mars Express spacecraft reveals rows of quote pit chambers or pit chains they're called lining the sides of volcanoes in the red planet's Tharsis region. These pit chains were likely caused by ancient volcanic activity, and the EESA explains quote, Lava streaming from volcano volcanoes solidifies on the
surface, leaving a molten tube of lava running below. Once volcanic activity ceases, the tubes empty, leaving behind a subterranean cavity. Similar lava tubes were discovered last year on our very own Moon by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Order. And these pitch chambers could have also formed due to strains in the planet's crust, or even as a result of groundwater leading to the collapse of surface rocks.
So scientists believes tubes like these could provide a safe environment for life. Jason Major of University explains, quote, even though the surface of Mars can receive two hundred and fifty times the radiation levels found on Earth, the layers of soil and rocks surrounding the tubes can provide adequate protection for life, whether it be ancient Martian microbes or future explorers from Earth. And I think that's really where our astronauts are going to go with the Moon in Mars, you know.
And in terms of colonizing and building and building these colonies is Subterraneans and they might find subterranean caverns full of life and trees and animals and creatures. Wouldn't that be I think the underground worlds there are probably pretty substantial, and you know, I think there's a lot of water down there. I mean, that's what they're determining with both the moon and tropical like journey to the center of the Earth. Yeah, exactly, paradise fascinating you bet all right,
guys, Well, that is it for the news for today. I remember you can check out all these stories and so many more at open minds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've just been briefed. That's you, Eleandro. Thank you, Jason. Always a fascinating look into the news of the week. I want to catch you up real quick before we get to our interview on a couple of things that our good buddies have been up to.
Leslie Kine had an interesting post from Facebook that one of the guys from East Skeptic, George Michael, actually wrote a positive review about her book on UFOs Generals other important people on the record. I can't remember all the people that they talked about but government officials and stuff talking about UFOs, and so there's a spark to debate. So Robert Shafer, this other skeptic out there is real upset and the skeptics are debating her books. So that's kind of exciting.
Also, Lee Spiegel, we talked about this story last week in Las Vegas where people believe they filmed some UFOs but it might be birds or something caught in the light of the lux or. Lee Spiegel was actually there and he got his own pictures and video. So if you go to Huffington Posts or if you look at my UFO Daily News tweets, you'll see his story on that. So some interesting stuff that our friends are up to. One of our new friends is David Paris from the University of Nebraska. Let's go
ahead and get I am on the line. I am very happy to have a professor at the University of Nebraska and Omaha, David Paris. And you have been in studying UFOs for a long time. Oh yeah, ever since I was sixteen. Oh really, So what was it that originally got you into all of this? Well, actually a sighting at sixteen years old, I had a sighting in August of nineteen sixty nine, and with a number of other people, we were getting ready to go to a swim class up
to Milford, New York. This actually took place at Goodyear Lake in New York State and the Catskill Mountains. It's probably about like twenty miles south of Cooperstown Baseball Hall of Fame. And on a brilliant morning, no clouds in
this sky and very nice, you know, very cold temperatures. We saw this craft come over the mountain about one hundred feet above and it was about five hundred feet off the ground, around one thousand feet down from us, down range of US, and there was a silver discus shaped object about sixty feet in diameter, about a twelve foot perth. Perfect flight dynamics, I mean, just this thing was just solid and was flying about twenty miles an
hour. And so you have several seconds to see this thing. And then as it came over to our position to bank about twenty degrees and you could see the top of it. But there were no appendages, no greenhouse, no glass, no smoke, no nothing. You know, it was all very quiet. It was only one slight noticeable sound, was like air buffing off the surface. But I didn't realize how that actually occurred until I was
taking glider lessons. And it's the same kind of sound as you hear air coming over the surface of the wings of the craft on the fuselage, and so very very similar like sound, but very very subtle, you know. But as it lighted up after a pasted our position, it just just went out and increased its velocity to you know, thousands of miles an hour, and it just went and disappeared. Ever since that time, I've been fascinated
by what made that thing why, and I really kind of did. It's actually changed my life in the fact that I was heavy participant in sports and wrestling and football, and I just quit everything and went into science, math and engineering and all my other you know, degree pursuits of you know, been honing my skills. Essentially is to try to figure out how this thing actually propulsion sys and and how it flew. And I've been just absolutely absorbed
with this all my life. So I've gathered tremendous amounts of information. And I guess one of my hobbies or researches that I do, and I guess I've been doing radio shows and television programs on this is the space war that seems to be the big My focus right now is I believe that we have definite proof that space work can occur from a natural phenomenon, and I'm trying to demonstrate how we can exercise that phenomena and try to artificially induce it.
Oh, it's been a fascinating journey. Yeah, one of the things I definitely want to get into that. But I didn't tackle myself all of the things that you do because you do a lot. You're a move on section director. It looks like I don't know if you still do adjunct work at all of these other schools, but that several other schools out there, so you're in many fields, physics, meteorology. Maybe if you could tell us some of what you do, give us as much as you can reaping of
your bio. You're doing a lot of stuff. Well, I guess my big problem is everything fascinates me. There's not too many things that don't. And so as a result, you know, I've developed in homeless skills and astronomy and physics and math and geography and geology. I teach ten different subjects at college level. And right now, I teach at four different colleges here locally, and I do online development courses for distant education, and I teach
face to face classes. And it's a kind of a jungle juggling act to you know, get everything to align in the schedule that makes sense. And I guess during the year I teach about it varies depending upon if the class bills or you know, gets canceled out. But I teach somewhere between sixty eight to seventy five semester hours a year. Wow. So definitely a busy guy. I was happy when I saw everything you do, you know, and I emailed you. I thought, this is a busy guy. I
hope I can catch him when he's free. So I'm very fortunate and glad you were able to have some time to do this. You also then I was wondering a little bit more about your Omaha UFO study group. Is that directly associated with mouf on or is it just is it something that you and some students have put together. Well, actually it's a combination of all these
things. And what's unique about the clubs at the University of Nebraska or Omaha is that they really encourage clubs to combine community related groups to their club, so we call them community alliance group. And what's beautiful about the UFO Study Group is that we have as an alliance group the Omaha UFO Study Group and I'll also move On. So those two major groups always participating in the club
meetings. Everybody is welcome, and then they have their specific club meetings for move On held at the same location that we have for the club meetings as well, so they indirectly get the benefit of utilizing the facility, the Internet, all the computers, big screen projectors and all this type of things. So it works out as a very beneficial for all the groups that participate.
And it's the same thing for the UNO Parentormal Society. We have over nine community alliance groups that do ghost cutting and investigative work in that and all of these groups have come together and shared all kinds of information about equipment cases. We have our own case studies that we do onto the campus itself in collecting data and analyzing it. And so one of our major goals is to try to figure out on the paranormal side is to what actually is involved in the
physics of the e VPS. We've we've built a lot of specialized equipment from scratch to analyze this stuff and to try to try to put some kind of quantitative tag on this, you know, how does this thing really work? In on the UFO side, there's a lot of commonality between the two groups
and the amount of equipment and the types of equipment that we use. So we've developed a laptop, portable laptop that you can attach a variety of a suite of sensors to it, and we have built an interface board, a USB board to the laptop and the fact that you can tie all these pieces of equipment to it is has kind of revolutionized the ability of the clubs to
do things and to go out and to study certain situations. And we've also developed some image processing techniques, and these image processing techniques again across the board on both clubs, which is very interesting because our whole goal has been to prove whether imagery that we're looking at is a real picture or hasn't been tampered photoshopped. And I can't tell you how many hundreds of these photos that we get on a week to week basis have been photoshopped. And it's very disappointing.
It wastes a lot of our time and trying to analyze and figure out. You know, we're all searching for the smoking gun, as we say, right, and that's been the big goal for people forever, is to provide the concrete evidence that they're reputable. And in this case we spend hours and hours and hours every month trying to uncover which is true which is not
so. One of our club members, a student at Uno, took an independent study for me and did his study on fractal analysis, and we in our initial discussions, we put this towards radar data to try to enhance the
radar data to get a finer mesh field. Because the real interesting thing about practice, which is very helpful, is that in nature you have general patterns throughout nature, and when you go down into the into a finer mesh trying to zoom up, for example, onto an image or whatever, there is a repeatable pattern and that's what the fractals were all about, and it actually generates these very unique data sets that you can visibly view and see lines and
patterns into the zoomed up areas. And what's interesting if an image it hasn't been tampered with, like saying aircraft against the clouds. It all kind of blends together. And what's interesting about a tampered image is that they come from two different sources. So when you do fractal analysis on a faked image, it just pops right out of the paper. You can see where the lines have been cut and been literally spliced into the background image. So we've developed
this new technique. We've run about right at this point, about thirty five forty different test images through and we were able to actually uncover images that have been photoshopped. Which of the primary hoaxing techniques that are out there double exposures and on PHOTOO moulsion is a double exposure or photographic overlay, and we can
actually see in the fractal mesh whether it's been tampered with or not. In that regard, we're planning on writing an article to send to MOVE on our discovery because I don't know of anybody that's really doing this right now, No, not really. I know that movefunds guy oh Man d' antonio. He has some different things that he uses, but I wouldn't understand them at the level you would, So I don't know if they're similar at all, but
it sounds very unique and it's great. In fact, there's some couple of cases I'm working on and i'd love to have you take a quick look at at least the pictures. Well, I've been asked by a number of groups to look at different images. I'm a meteorologist as well, and so I get a lot of these uh put data lenticular lenticular cloud types and a lot of people claiming that, you know, these are UFOs, Well they're not. They're cloud formations. And the way they're the way they're presented on a
photo. You know, for like a tenth of the second, you may think, well, you know, maybe there's something and then you look at it again it's a cloud. But many people can't you know, discern that from the photo, and so it just takes somebody else. They have some expertise in that area. And I've been and I've been trained as a photo interpreter as a photogramatrist, so I know all the older techniques and the aspect ratios and have to determine heights and shadows and casts and all this type of
things. But this new fractal technique and it's all done from a free program called frack Lab two point zero. You can download this off the internet. But there's a procedural process that we use. You know, there's like fifty different algorithms that you could put into this thing. And what Matthew has come up with as and his process is a series of signal smoothing techniques and then some transition techniques and then finally the final fractal processing that actually will display all
these unique characteristics of an untampered versus the tampered. And like I said, this stuff just pops right out of the paper. And with my background and as funnel interpreting, you know, it's extremely easy to see this. And at our symposium that we had just two weeks ago, we actually did one We actually did four images live at the posium. I had no idea what they were. And that's that's what we had planned do. We gave a
presentation on how do you do this? How do you use it? And then during the symposium that put up four different images that were provided to him.
I didn't know what they were, processed them. It takes like less than a minute and then I looked at them and within you know, about thirty seconds or so just examining on the big screen projected, which is not the greatest detail of the world, you know, in the world to do this, but anyway, I was able to determine these were faith this one was real, and everybody was simply amazed at the speed to which we could accomplish this. And in the past it would do to just be hours and
hours of arguments. Well, you know, there's a little bit of lighting over here, and there's a cast over there. It looks real. And then when you get really down into the finer details of this that you come to the conclusion that this isn't real, this is fake. But this makes it so much more apparent. It just eliminates a lot of the arguments. Now, does this displace the fact that an untampered image is actually real?
Right? What it does is says that the image hasn't been tampered with, But that doesn't mean that what you're seeing in the image can't be disputed as far as like somebody threw a hook a hub tap up and it took a photo of the whole background because the fractals can't tell, you know, if it's a fake craft or not. I mean, but you can determine whether images are have not been tampered versus than hoaxed. Cool. Well, that's very excited, exciting. I'm excited to see this right up in the move
On Journal. Hopefully you guys get that up and I would love to lobby to have you present this at the move On Symposium during their workshow ops for investigators, Well, you know, depending upon I teach a lot and I'm online, I'm in you know, face to face, and I usually don't have lots of time right to do things. It's all, it's all a process of scheduling and if they were even interested, you know what I mean.
That's that's really what it kind of comes down to. I hate to say, like we're in our own little world at the at U n O. But you know, we've been doing a lot of good work then and it's uh, you know, three years in the making. You know. We have three radio programs that we present every week. We call it Science Radio International. It's sounds cool. Yeah, there isn't an organization like that, but it's the thing that we came up with and under under the guys
in Science Radio International. We have the quantum State which I do, which is a physics uh relative program. We talk about late breaking news in science from Science Daily, NASA and a number of other sources that I get in across my desk almost every day through emails. And then we have Spooky Action at a Distance, which is again this program is more related to UFO phenomena, abductions and things like that. And then we have another radio program called
On the Fringe, which is the Paranormal Society's radio program. And then you talk about some of the latest case studies that are being done, things that are being done around the world, equipment that's being used, and things like this. And I talk on some of these programs on occasion, you know, if they asked the requests that I go on and talk about something that I've built or whatever. But mostly I pretty much tend to the quantum state
myself. And that gets broadcast over the MAP Radio network. It goes out on a D two radio from kV and O Studio, and then it also goes across the Internet and we have people who listen around the world. I don't I wouldn't say that we would have probably an audience such as what you have, because we really don't advertise in that respect. It kind of goes word of mouth. And yeah, I did college radio actually, and we were the MAVs out there. It's Masa State College. Well now they're at
Macon University, but they were the Mavericks. Is that the who you are? Exactly what we are Uno Mavericks? Uh huh, yep. Cool it is. So we have the like I said, the internet radio piece of this, and we're doing almost ten hours of program I'm sorry about eight hours of programming a week, which takes up a lot of time, you know, right, Yeah, you guys are keeping extremely busy out there and doing
a lot of really cool things. It sounds like and I think, what you know, it feels like I'm getting really excited talking to you because I love the science end of all of this, and it does feel like you are kind of your own island out there in the middle of the country doing a lot of good work and putting the science together. And this is where I wanted to talk to you about, in the similarities and the different the
equipment used for different parts of paranormal research. So I was wondering if you could kind of go into when in UFO investigations, there's certain equipment they use for certain reasons. What out of that equipment also is used in paranormal investigations, Well, I'm believe it or not. Trifield views are very popular between paranormal and YOURFO because of the Gaus meter and also because of being able to detect microwave or electric fields. These are very very important in both sets of
investigations. One, you're trying to analyze a room of what kind of properties are there, So if you do get e vps onto your digital recorders, which we use in both investigative processes as well, to make sure that what you're picking up is the real deal and it's not just you know, potentially
maybe you're picking up a radio broadcast and background on a cross frequency. So we actually check everything out when we go in to do a AP field investigation for for intelligent haunts okay, and then on the opposite side for UFO investigation, we'd use the same equipment to see if there's any residual fields there, uh, and or the digital recorder to interview the people and any other thing we use obviously for UFO investigation is we have our radiation meters that we bring
out into the field. Those are very very important any kind of residual leftover radiation from a landing or an event that it flew near the ground or disrupted
grass. We have a kind of case down and link in Nebraska where there was actually grass swirls left from an overflight of a UFO and we did get radiation counts down there, and we were called in about forty eight hours after the event, and we went down took soil samples in that and took extensive photo pictures of the squirrels and laid out the grid and walked the grid and then went in with the radiation meter and the trifield meter, and we took
all of our linear measurements and a tape measure and all this type of thing and wrote everything down in each square as we went in to you know, eliminate contamination, worked our way into the center, and you know a lot of that same equipment would be the same thing. I mean, you wouldn't think why do you need a radiation meter to go to a you know, for a paranormal investigation, you never know what you're going to encounter and you
don't know what's causing the issue there. So it's always pays to have a little bit more instrumentation than perhaps maybe you do need. Now some of the unique things that we build. It's a lot of the students and a lot of the members. They called this device to Paris Portal and it sounds it
sounds bizarre, but all we're doing is we ionize air. We found that when you have a lot of solar winds and if there's thunderstorms in the area, we seem on the paranormal side to get more enhancement on our EVP recordings, and that is an enhancement, so we artificially induce it with our portable Tesla coil. We have a couple of them tennis set up and we use a Tesla coil that's run on a battery and we can go inside outside and
set this up. And we've had very effective results with the EVP Electronic Voice Phenomena. Really yes, yes, it's been and we've also come up with a dampener. One of the things that we were thinking about was, Okay, you have a nasty we call them nasties, not Casper the friendly goes. We'll call them nasty, and what if you wanted to get rid of
him? And so I was thinking about this, and since I do electronics and you know, like I said, you know, I got a multi disciplined background, it came across and I thought about this and I said, why am I putting a dampener up? So what we did is they built some like a screen antenna, and we made a special ground to a three you know, a three prong plug. It just hooked up the ground and
we had one of these obviousnesses. You know, they call them a t X box, but it it picks up electromagnetic waves and associates it to a dictionary of words. And supposedly, we don't really know how this thing is designed, but it seems to kind of work. However, you know, we're kind of all riding a fence on that one. But the thing will utter a bunch of words. Okay, Now, when we plug in this dampener, it doesn't do anything, and when we unplug it, the thing
starts chattering again. So it appears that whatever fields are in the room. And even during the EVP session with a digital recorder, we find that when
we have the dampener in that the VPS go down as well. We've got one recording in a room in the building and there's a couple of kids and it says, hey, let's do it again, and there are no kids with us when we're making this recordings, okay, And we're able to uncover that with the Audacity software, which is free, you know, off the internet, and we use that extensively, and both groups use it, UFO and the other because if you're out there recording and one of our intentions is
to have this laptop and all this suite of equipment hooked up to it, it's going to monitor by itself and we don't physically have to be there, So we could leave it up on the roof of a house or on the roof of the building, and the thing will actually activate itself motion detector and turn on cameras and if you you know, if we had a jolt in the Dallas field from a trifield meter, it would turn on the whole system and we'd have a number of triggers set up and then you start recording,
and so one of the things would be not just voice and record digital recorders going on, but then to reduce the data after we get so if we did, maybe we would pick up a sound that we could analyze in addition to photos, webcams and all this type of thing that you could access through
a wireless network. So we're working on a lot of things, software, hardware, and we're trying to develop things that are going to allow us to try to quantify what we're seeing, to try to reduce this down to get irrefutable proof that there are UFOs and there are ghosts out there, intelligent ghosts that you can communicate, ask questions, can get an answer. So it's very intriguing. Like I said, we're we're not looking for trouble, but
we're there to analyze and group. Yeah, it's exciting, and there's a couple of things I want to ask related to that. And let's see if I could you know, formulate this question correctly, because these are, you know, pretty out there kind of ideas. But with the paranormal it's more, I guess, of a natural type of phenomena the energy is involved there that you're measuring, whereas the UFO phenomena is more of a technology that someone
seems to have developed. But would you say that this technology that's developed seems to demonstrate a mastery of the natural phenomena that you're also measuring on the paranormal side. There's a relation there that seems pretty important. Yes, I think that there's a there is a correlation of of the various kinds of fields that on the other side that has the ability to communicate to reality here and how
that works. It's still you know, we're still investigating now. I hate making, you know, just throwing out theories that don't pan out in that, but but there are pure We have worked on that aspect of it, of building the comparitor. Otherwise, we have a series of coils tuned differently different for different frequencies, and like a dynamic microphone in a digital recorder, it appears that EVPs can be enunciated or impressed onto the digital recorder as we
speak. When you put it on audacity, you'll see human voice going up and down, huge amplification of our of the voice signals as it projects onto the screen when we're analyzing it. But yet the EVPs hang like very tightly along the center line of the voice sound waves and that's where we find these things. And what we're trying to do is develop a comparator system that is just a coil and the EVPs, as we think that we understand is a
magnetic impression. In other words, there's a there's the energy field that they supposedly can command or control will generate a magnetic field that can actually get impressed to the dynamic microphone of a digital recorder. And if you can get that to also impress through a coil to a recorder that has been by the microphone has been bypassed, you now have two different tracks that have been laid in that can be compared. So if you get an EVP on the dynamic mic
you should be able to get the EVP onto the coil. That is, there's no human voice on there, and whatever you do get will be then there should be identical. I guess that's what I'm trying to say, and to make the comparisons, and we're working on that right now. We have a little bit of problem with sixty cycle tones in there kind of distorting the
signal on our coils, and we're putting in a filter there. But once we accomplished that next task, we'll actually have a comparator, and so that will prove that the EVPs that we're getting are not background noises, they're not you know, faked. It's not people whispering and all this type of thing, because you'll have them being imprinted onto a coil which has no ability to receive human sound ways. So right, that's that's gonna be extremely exciting when
we perfect that system to analyze both recordings that are taken simultaneously. Yeah, I think what I think One thing I think is interesting about the you know, the the kind of areas where these different phenomena meet. Now, I typically, you know, I really stick to UFOs on the show and with my UFO Daily News, but I'm really into the paranormal. In fact, you know, I've been doing that investigation for a long time. I write
for that, I write for all paranormal for Huffington Post a blog. So one of the things that I came across, and I'd love to hear your
thoughts on that. Now, this is spec relative, this is out there, and you never know when it comes to channelings and stuff like that, right, But an abductee, and this was an interesting concept and I was involved with well, doctor Leo Sprinkle, who you're involved with he was or who you know, I'm sure he was the one doing the regression and I was present and I got to ask some questions, and whatever was coming across it could have been the subconscious of the person who is being regressed, but
asking some questions around what they perceive. And they talked about a type of being that is non physical that has something to do with humans that they can't communicate with. But somehow these things have a strong connection with us, and they say they have the ability to their perception is wider than ours, so they can see these things, they can hear these things at times, but
they don't know what they're up to because they can't communicate with them. And it kind of sounds like a medium, you know, And it would kind of make sense that perhaps if there are these these beings with a stronger grasp on some of these technologies, that they might be better ghost hunters for lack of a better term, and they would be able to detect these things. And I mean that crossing of these two arenas is so wild to me,
but it seems to make sense. I mean that that would be the case that if we with technology are able to capture these things and them with the more advanced technologies, they would be able to observe these things that are unseen to us better now we've had a lot of open discussion about possibilities, and one of the things that a lot of us are into are entangled particles and actually spooky action at a distance is the result of Einstein's stream, is that
entangled particles of spook action at a distance uh as you know, as uh as he evolved and developed really the basics of quantum physics, even though that he didn't like it. Anybody who upset his his realm of relativity, well, he's the guy who actually uh between him and and and Neil Boorr, you know, gets this thing rolling. But we've always wondered about the possibility.
And as science has rolled on, we we know that there's more than just photonic uh particle entanglement, but you can actually have entanglement with atoms and that's been the latest that's been one of the latest breakthroughs and uh uh particle
entanglement. And I find it's really fascinating because I've often wondered, uh telepathic abilities between people if there isn't a an entanglement of a chemical entanglement or in a sense kind of a potentially electron particle entanglement between humans that would cross vast distances and relate information back I think we all have potentially and it gets this
is way out there. Okay, I'm not I can't confirm this, but it's this It's highly speculative, but it would seem to me is that in nature, if these things exist, and we've been able to show that it does among botons and atoms, that you can get not only two particles in entanglement, but there's also been proof of quadular entanglement, which means if you can do quadular then you should be able to do multiple entanglement of certain atoms
or in this case, perhaps electrons in the brain. And so I'm kind of you know, extrapulating out there, but there has to be an explanation of why people can send their thoughts or aliens being able to telpathically communicate to humans through the brain. There has to be a relationship there. You know, nature doesn't pull a lot of punches, you know what I mean.
The physics has to be the same for the interactive pieces of that. So if you can do it on to an atomic level, and you know, to an energy packet level in this case of photon, there wouldn't be any reason why you could not do that between humans and evolve or stimulate or create this artificial to induce some type of mental entanglement between people. I don't you know, I'm throwing it out there, but it seems possible. I guess
it wouldn't be totally improbable. And I'm just kind of basing that off of, you know, trying to utilize some logic here that, like, for example, of the anomaly of space war. Not to try to change the subject or anything, but I'm just saying is that if these things do occur as an anomaly in nature, then we should be able to exercise these things with the proper inducement to artificially induce quote space war for example. But like
I said, nature is it doesn't have all these various exceptions. It's kind of a cookie cutter. You know. Planets are made in a particular manner. Stars are made in a particular manner. There may be different sizes,
different masses, different outputs, but they all run the same way. They all have fusion process, you know, planetoids, the fact that the suns take the a star takes all the wider particles such as hydrogen and whatnot, and accuses that together and leaves the heavier elements in the nebula outside of the star, and that those are left over for the quote interior metal planets that we have seen here, but we've also seen across with the Hubble Space telescope.
So it's not that unusual. Our solar system is very normal in respect to the kind of processes that go on throughout the universe. We're not really all that unique. We're not unique other than the fact that we're you know, way out there in our universe about three cords of the way, and we sit in a kind of an idle place where not a lot goes on, and I e. We were able to survive you know, four point
six billion years. But getting back to the entanglement and that I'm just trying to present the case that nature doesn't really vary a whole lot once you find a procedure pretty much duplicates these things in the array that the goes through or the process that it goes through. Getting to some more of the science there you had mentioned a bit, and we should get there the spacewarp, Yes, because that's very interesting work that you've done. Playing the space warp to
us, I guess, and how it's been observed in nature. Okay, the case studies that I actually have are related to pilots. And what's unique about this is that the cases that I have cover from World War two to nineteen seventy. Is my latest one that we have lots of evidence about. Starting in World War Two, we have an RAF pilot named O'Brien flying over England and a Tiger moth doing some radar tracking with the aircraft during the war.
Gets caught up into a thunderstorm and suddenly he feels like the aircraft is going to get ripped apart. He flies he sees a light into the thunderstorm, and he flies his aircraft towards the light. It opens up his into a tunnel and he believes that he can see the sea on the other side
of this. He's flying in southern England and he flies into the tunnel and he ends up coming out into an area that are one hundreds of miles away from where he's supposed to be and a tiger math and he writes this down. He actually felt that he was in the hands of God, as he writes into this l letter that I received from his son actually just narrated parts of it, and he thought he was doomed, and he flies into the
tunnel. He comes out, he lands back at his base, thinking that he was day late, and he said, no, you're on time. And so this is a weird occurrence. Well, he just keeps it tech kind of to himself. There, writes all this information up, writes it into a letter and told this family about it. Well, in the nineteen fifties we have Arthur Goffrey, who experienced He was a navy pilot. I
don't know if you realized that. He was an entertainer, yes, very famous, but he was also a navy pilot, and he was checked out in every naval aircraft into the during the war and after the war. He was an expert navigator and everything else that goes with that. He was flying from Alaska to Japan and he encounters in the story that he tells, a UFO comes up near his craft and then disappears, and then suddenly he gets enveloped in a kind of a cloud that adheres to the aircraft and he ends
up arriving in Japan a half hour earlier than what he's supposed to. All Right, well, he is kind of stuck in a quandary. You know, who's going to believe this, So he only tells this story to a handful of people over his lifetime. And we get up to nineteen sixty six Lieutenant Frank Hopkins, and he's flying a C ninety seven. He's a master navigator, he's a colonel in the Air Force and the Air National Guard at this point out of New York and they're flying from Quadulin to Guam, and
this is about a six and a half hour trip. They make it in five hours. And as he checks his waypoints, he finds that one waypoint, he has gone three hundred miles in an hour. It's impossible to do this, and the thing is like a lumbering brick, you know, with four engines, and so he's gone beyond his waypoint three hundred miles downrange lands
early. They talk about it at this operation shack and they never enter it into the log books, but he writes about this, and he eventually sends a letter to Argacy magazine in nineteen sixty eight talking about his experience and he used technology. Well, Witch, this is exactly where I'm headed here with the with the evidence here and the best case that I have now these kind of you know, there's circumstantial evidence there, you know, is it exact?
Well, you know, I don't have specific dates. I've got you know, generalities here, but the Bruce Gerning casenineteen seventy, that's four December nineteen seventy. He takes off from West Palm Beach. He flies down to Andros Island. His dad is there, the business associated they're looking into building a resort down down the Andros Island, and the Navy has a research center down there, kind of like the Area fifty one of the Navy in a
sense, and he's down there. The thing to remember is when you fly into Andros Island, it takes about seventy five minutes ago from West Palm Beach down to Andros Island, and then behind the quote the triangle, you land or there's no fuel. So whatever you fly in with is what you fly out with. Okay, next day to get done with their business, and they're flying back to get wrapped up into a bunch of thunderstorms surrounds the airplane
and there's two last thunderstorms that are forming in this ring. As they form up, a tunnel appears. Now some people call it a step tunnel. Some people call it a sucker hole. And at this time he's flying around and he's trying to evade these thunderstorms. He can't fly under a minority to
the surface of the ocean, and he's trying. He can't fly over him because these things that have expanded up to sixty five thousand feet in altitude, and that's not unusual down there, you know, for thunderstorms to go up that high, because you know, the atmosphere's a lot thicker down there. Anyway, he ends up taking the plane through a ten thousand feet through this hole, and the hole is probably, you know, somewhere about ten or
more miles long. He actually goes enters the hole and gets out of the hole in about twenty seconds, and something begins to happen to the airplane. Engines still running and everything's normal in the plane, except now all the instrumentation is going out. And as he exits the hole, a white cloud adheres to the aircraft, sticks to it, and he disappears off a radar.
And he's near Bimeny Island at this point, and he makes a call on his radio several seconds later after this occurrence, and he's able to actually make a radio transmission, and the clouds dissipates around the airplane and he's over Miami Beach and the controller from Miami says, I got an aircraft south of the field here over Miami Beach, and he says, can't be me. As he's making this call and talking back and forth, he says, can't be me on a Vimeny Island, And he goes, well, there is no
aircraft at Vimy Island. There's one over Miami Beach. And so as he recognizes the you know, the ground beneath him, he then continues on to West Palm Beach. He lands. He took off at three o'clock. He lands at three forty seven, and this is a seventy five minute trip and he's actually traveled two hundred and fifty miles already, you know, for this entire trip, and it's normally like two hundred and ten. So bottom line is, how does he would have to have gone three hundred and nineteen miles
an hour in order to make the trip in forty seven minutes. He goes over to the refueling pumps as he would normally do after every completion of a flight, and he tops the tanks off because he puts in the fuel and he usually uses like thirty two gallons of fuel to make these round trips. And the bottom line is he has nine extra gallons of fuel on board that he didn't expend, and so he's got the refueling tickets, we got his log books, we've got his flight map, we got the testimony from the
two other people in the plane. We've got people seeing him take off, he got people seeing him land. He thought it was some kind of time warp. But as the research has gone on, it and particularly this is a theoretical physics problem at least in the beginning when we begin to look at this, and it's a process that Miguel L. Cuvier in nineteen ninety four came up with as a theoretical possibility to allow spacecraft to travel faster than the
speed of light. And with this, what his emphasis is is that if you have enough energy around a craft, it gets put into what he've referred to as a space warp bubble, and within that bubble, the crew would
not experience any kind of momentum. They would have an experience of a slight feeling of weightlessness and there would be like tidal actions on the exterior of this bubble, and there would be the literally the compression of the fabricus space in front of the craft, and then it would expand up and around the craft, pushing it through the fabricus space. Now, this fabrica space doesn't extend hundreds and thousands of miles. We're only talking like about half an inch perhaps
or less, of actually compressing the fabric of space. But it's like taking a piece of paper, putting a dot at the bottom and the top and folding the paper and you're transiting between those two dots, and the compression of the space is You've just traversed a linear distance. It's not anything to do
with velocity. Okay, so this doesn't violate anything in relativity. So you know, you realize that, you know, as you speed up towards the speed of light, you know you will require more and more fuel, your mass increases, and supposedly, as the theory goes, you know you can never you could approach the speed of light, but you can never exceed it. Okay, well, this has something to do with that. This is more deals with a linear distance of travel over a compressed fabric portion of space.
So it really has nothing to do with velocity as it does with the compression. And in my seminar that we just had, you know, two weeks ago, my suggestion was, I believe after reviewing lots of materials about UFOs and there's sudden appearance and disappearance in other words, you know, just
going and away they go, and you can see them moving. I believe is that they have perfected this artificial inducement of the fabricus space or space war to such a degree it's almost like using a gas pedal in a car that you can manipulate it to go very slow, where you can use it to go extremely fast. And the projection here for fabric space or the space war is something. And they were heard of a thousand times to speed alive. Could even be more than that, we don't know, but that's been the
projection of theory about it. Now, these pilots, did they run across ARTI are natural kind of terrors in the fabric of space? Well, what happened with these guys? And this is the beauty of it. Being a meteorologist, Okay, here's the meteorologists coming up. Thunderstorms. We've learned just
this in January twenty ten. There's been some experiments and observations since two thousand and seven about positive thunderstorms and the generation of positrons antimatter, and as a result of all the electrical charges inside the storm, the thunderstorms generate trallions of
these positrons, and it was detected with the Firming spacecraft. And the beauty of this and the irony of it is the Firming spacecraft was designed to look for antimatter out in the universe, and they didn't realize, and they should have turned the thing around, because they would have found that the Earth is loaded with antimatter, more antimatter than anywhere else that they've been able to detect in the universe. The fact that these thunderstorms are generating this thing on a
day to day basis means that there is sufficient energy that induces. It's the triggering mechanism that I believe induces these micro spacewarks, or let's call them space war pulses. They only last for a fraction of a second. Perhaps they don't go on for any big length of time, but it's enough to shoot these airplanes out of the thunderstorms. In these environments about one hundred miles or a few hundred miles in the case of the C ninety seven, three hundred
miles, and these aircraft you would think would have been destroyed. And you know the A thirty six Peach Bonanza that Chris Gernon was flying in nineteen seventy the wings fall off at two hundred and two hundred and thirty miles an hour. And in this case, I calculated the distance and I used a second which is probably more than what actually occurred as far as time goes. But in that calculation of one hundred miles, that's train under sixty thousand miles an
hour. I mean, you would think, well, the motor should have stopped, the wings should have fell off. He was in a bubble. There's no way that that plane could have gone that distance without some kind of physical damage to it, if it was anything other than space war. Sometimes other people have always been saying it's a time travel. You made a triangle issue, you know, somehow there's an anomoly of time travel there. Well, we did the calculations and it is not time travel. He was in
communications with ground control. If it was something to do with time travel, then there would have been distortion between when he transmitted to one the ground observer transmitted back, and all of that was in sync. So the meaning that it wasn't time travel is the logical reduction of what occurred here. But more likely, and the evidence points to this, is that it was space force.
And believe it or not, all the different criteria that Miguel and Cuvier cited that should happen during space warp travel is what he physically felt and what he experienced in his small little transit of a microsecond and going one hundred miles. And what was interesting is that nobody could see his airplane until the fog this ionized cloud clung to his airplane, but the energy from the thunderstorm as
it pushed this thing one hundred miles, nobody could see his airplane. And it wasn't until the cloud dissipated that the control tower saying, oh, we can see an airplane flying over not only on radar, but we can visibly see an aircraft over Miami Beach. So there was a lot of interesting things to go with this particular trip that these guys made. Invisibility is one of
the issues here for the destructive interference of light in this warp bubble. The fact that there was no real extensive tidal actions, in other words, no disruptions onto the ocean floor, on the all ocean surface, nor in the atmosphere causing any kind of anomalies. And the fact that he didn't expend all the fuel he normally would have that again time travel, you know, but
this really relates back to the space warp. And I got his copies of all of his documents, and the refueling ticket is probably the most convincing on everything. Okay, the fact that he refueled, he knew where he went, where he had come back, with how much fuel he had on board, and the fact that he actually had gone an additional forty miles to try to avoid some of these thunderstorms in that and changing paths, changing altitudes.
A very intriguing case. Now this happened. If this is what happened, and it happens in nature, how difficult is it to create then, like what the UFOs are doing in artificial space warp? Do we have the technology to do it? If we were able to obtain the know how I'm working on it. I got I believe that there is going to do space work a student across Nebraska. No. Actually, my little lab here that I
have set up, I'm doing some micro wharf experiments. And what I've done I'm a hammer radio operator and I've got a transmitter in two different two dipole antennas, And what I'm trying to simulate is a field pattern that clouds would make in thunderstorms, because they actually create dipole fields, and there's energy comes out of the top, comes around the site, circulates back to the bottom and actually goes around again. Nature doesn't pull any punches here. So in
a radiating antenna, an omnidirectional antenna does exactly the same thing. It comes out of the top, it radiates around and goes back to the bottom, has the same kind of flow. And so what I've done is I've set up two different dipole antennas and the object here is to irradiate into a fair day cage. And I have a modified Michaelsom Morley experiments and in parometer. And the object here, now this is a tough You can't go to kmart
and go buy any of this stuff, right. You gotta build everything right, So this has taken a lot of time to do and align and modify these experiments. Got a laser, you got the beam splitter, got the reflective mirrors, and I got the screen up there. And the screen and this particular experiment is sensitive to like, you know, one to thirty six hundred of a fraction to see a fringe pattern. And that's how sensitive this
thing is. So the object of the experiment is to align the laser up into the sweet point of the cross patterns of the dipole fields of where this quote tunnel would be. Because I've actually done the analysis with one ham radio software and tennis software and you can actually cross to dipole fields and you'll see the center they see the cross points of this tunnel that's actually generated in this
thing. And that's when I'm trying to achieve. And I've got to be able to manipulate the platform so it goes up and down and the laser goes right into the sweet spot. So that that's been the difficult part. I guess maybe to a lot of people it wouldn't be, but you know, you're we're working with some very limited amount of power. You know, about one hundred lots of power and finding that little tiny spot micro would be the
point. And what I'm looking for is a fringe pattern of distortion as this laser goes through the tunnel, and that would give me the indications that make me extremely excited that not only can you induce this artificially, that we've carried this up to a bigger model, but I've also determined the various weather parameters
that would be necessary to induce this as a weather phenomena. So I've studied over fifty different flights of the aircraft that disappeared, and I took randomly twenty three cases out of the fifty canalyzed, and I found a pattern beginning to come out of the data, and that was a particular set of weather parameters when these aircraft disappeared. And unfortunately I got some pilots that actually lived through a bunch of this stuff. But the trend tendency was a unique situation between
high and low pressure systems where you had easterly flow. And I did a lot of my study work right off the east coast of Miami there and that's
where a lot of these planes went down. And I found a pattern beginning to evolve and the fact was that these thunderstorms, these very independent thunderstorms, would occur off the east coast of Miami, first in Key West to begin to see some towering cumulus, some unstable air conditions, and by about eleven o'clock in the morning, these independent, isolated thunderstorms would form off east of Miami, out and over the ocean surface, and by afternoon these things were
huge. And based off the day and time of the archived data, we all were showing the same processes going on. There always between which we would call a call area between the high and low pressure systems of two major fronts or two major systems of the high and low but there's a transitionary area between there, which is called the color transition zone, which has light and verbal winds, which is ideal for thunderstorm development. And again the archived data indicates
that these storms appear. We have easterly flow over the over Florida, and you have less than ten degrees separation between temperature and viewpoint, and you have an easterly wind of less than ten knots, and in every situation the same
phenomena of thunderstorms occur. And couple that with the positronic development inside of the thunderstorm, the electrical discharges, the bidirectional flow of energy from ground to space and from space to ground, and the addition of the solar winds and directly related to the amount of sunspots being created on the Sun, but the solar wind patterns as they come across the heliosphere. And there are again a variety
of different criteria that we use to look at this. But when all of this energy is coupled and it actually can affect these isolated thunderstorms, this is the inducement that I believe that I found, as far as the utrological parameters, the inducement that we can forecast to actually recreate the situation for Bruce's aircraft involvement in his case. And I've got a proposal out there right now. I'm trying to get a network to fund this. I'm working with the producer
Bruce Burgess over in England. He may have heard of him, Area fifty one. He's done a number of independent productions and things. He's been in the business for, you know, well over twenty five years. And I don't know if you remember in one of his documentaries that he did about Area fifty one he was the guy was in the airplane getting chased by next Yeah, and that was a big one because that's one of the first real popular
documentaries. That's Bruce Burgess. There's a whole other story behind. He and I have talked hours and hours about things, and he is a great, a great guy. But that that episode, he said he needed a shovel after each He's got that. That's but anyway, I'm working with him and we're trying to get funding for phase two research, which is exactly what I just described to you as the being able to forecast the weather parameters. And
then we're gonna construct a ua V and unmanned aerial vehicle. We're gonna convert like a Piper one Piper Cherokee, and we're gonna put the automated control systems in there, mount up all the instrumentation that we have designed for it, and can acquire off the shelf any of these pieces and parts, and then at the proper moment is we'll have chase aircraft on either side of these thunderstorms,
we'll look for the sucker hole. And there are a various criteria that we can use electronically to begin to analyze in the air at that moment of
whether to commit the aircraft or not. Gamma raised. And you see, gamma raise is the direct byproduct of antimatter and the fact that we have sensors that can actually pick that up. We'll be able to find the sweet point in the thunderstorm, direct the aircraft and hopefully we do see a tunnel and we can then penetrate and then replicate this on the other side where the aircraft then displaces whatever mileage that it goes. But it's only going to be for
like a microsecond. And that's all that's all we care about, right, Okay, And that's all that's safe. Yeah, yeah. And and the thing is, you know, like Bruce Gernan has volunteered to be one of the chase pilots because he understands it's phenomenon more than anybody else, because he survived through two different encounters of this stuff. Wow. And and actually I've flown with him, I've met with him, I've interviewed him. Actually,
as it turns out, we're great friends now. So this has been an intriguing case for me personally for well over seven years as I evolved and developed the research and looked at all the information, and then all over the last four years was to be involved with Bruce and making these well yeah programs and everything. It's fascinating. So among all the no wonder why you're so busy, or you're teaching all these classes, you're doing these radio shows, you're
building a stargate in your garage stargate, you're busy, FETA. I don't know if i'd call the first proto type. Sure, maybe the first time you only go a couple hundred miles, but well, who knows what the potential is? Well micro work really, you know, it's amazing how many people sit on the sideline looking at this and they're all going, you do it first, you know, you spend all your money, you you know, mortgage your house and go and basically go bankrupt trying to prove this.
And then after you do that, then we'll kind of swoop in and then you know, oh no, now that we know we can do the way it goes, well, that's most inventors. So the way I look at it is that I'm writing the book. I know, you know, I'm real busy, but I'm writing a book and I'm trying to get this thing finished, so that any proceeds that I get from this book, because I don't really anticipate anybody giving us any kind of money, and so we're going
to have to go this alone. And I feel that the book would be, you know, with all the accumulation of all the cases and the evidence that we have experiments that I'm doing in the lab right now, that the book would more than satisfy a lot of people's curiosity and interest, and then the proceeds, like I said, from that would then hopefully give us enough money. You know, we're looking at you know, we need minimally about a quarter million dollars to do this this ongoing research. Well, we're down
there out of time right now. But thank you so much for coming on the show. And I think there's definitely several other topics I'd love to have you on again in the future. I'm definitely going to be staying in touch and sending you some emails, still look at some stuff for me. But it was just great to have you on the show and to meet you for the first time virtually hero over the internets. But thank you so much. And then Omaha Study Group is where Omaha ufostudygroup dot com is where people can
go listen to these shows and then find out more exactly. And the Paris Weather Research is another website that you can go to and you can read the stories that have put together the evidence, the data and all that type of thing. And it won't be as good as the book. Yeah, the book's going to be great. We'll have you on to tell us about how great it is and exciting stuff. Yes, it is, and I do appreciate you having me on and it's been a lot of fun anytime we can
talk about UFO's paranormal space where Hey I am, I'm up there. You know, I'm just happier than all get out. What a cool professor. If there were more university professors like him, there would be more people with degrees out there. So very cool guy. I love that guy. Thank you David Parish for being on the show, and thank you all for listening. We'll be back again next week. Until then, be sure to visit Openminds dot tv and check out ufodailynews dot com and all of our tweets because
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