Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. Today we're going to be talking crop circles and as usual UFO News. I am your host, Alandro Rojas, and to talk some news with me. We've got the super Duper. I think I've already used this one, super Duper, but I like it. UFO Specialist Extraordinary Jason McClellan. I am just fine with super Duper. You can reuse that one. Yeah, that was pretty cool. How are you doing, Alhundra? Not too bad? How are you doing? Pretty
darn good? So I did want to mention, you know, talk about a little bit about our interview from last week, Jan Harzan, the move On director, And that was kind of cool because you're on the show Hangar one and you know you guys the second episode aired what Friday and probably played throughout the weekend. Yes, sir, cool, cool, And you've got this really groovy cardigan that you wear, Yes in every episode. What's Back
East? Got my magical cardigan. It's Chili Back East. But it was kind of interesting and really cool to hear about the Hangar and that it's a real hangar. Yeah, that was cool to hear. Yeah, it's a really interesting interview to hear what he has to say about that, and I'm glad we got the Hanger issue cleared up. Yeah that was an exclusive. I don't think anybody knows that. Yeah. You know what's funny is the
hangar is so strange looking. It looks so old. It's almost like it's a steampunk type of thing because it's got this old kind of Victorian or maybe even an older look, but it's a it's a hangar because you know, it's got these corners that are made out of brick. And I thought for
sure, you know, I don't know why I was thinking this. I thought even maybe it was something that was back in England or something, but well, it looks like it because like you said, on the corners, you know, there's these big brick towers that are like octagon or something, and they've got many sides to them. And yeah, really really crazy,
really uh English looking hm hmm. And I guess I got mixed up because the production company you were working with for the show isn't from England, that's right, but the one Maureen is working with is out of London, that's right. So I think for some reason my brain got that a little mixed up, but that was kind of cool to hear that it was a real hanger with some really interesting history. Yeah. I like that, and it makes the name of the show even better. Yeah, it makes all that
makes sense, that's right. So I want to also tell people about our guest today, who is Patty Greer. She's a crop circle researcher and filmmaker and Lee Spiegel spoke glowingly of her a couple episodes ago when we did our review of the conference, and a lot of people really appreciate her work, and she's won several EBE awards, so that's really cool. And of course
those are the Film Festival for the UFO Congress and the statuette. If you haven't seen this, you can go to our YouTube and we always post the awards, but you can see these, you know, really cool alien statuettes and it's the aliens with these film cameras and they're really nice. And so she has won several of those. So we'll talk to her about a very interesting story about how she got involved with crop circles in filmmaking and about her
films. And she's a very energetic, really enthusiastic person, and so that definitely we'll come across in the interview. That's how her lecture was at the Congress too. She's just a very very happy person. Yeah. Energy, she's a super charged woman. And it was kind of funny because she talks
fast, which is great because she gets lots of information conveyed. But she had something like three hundred and fifty slides she wanted to go through and we were like, oh, no way, and she's like, but I talked really fast, and I thought, well, if anybody could do it, she could do it. She does talk really fast, but of course she only got to about half, but still getting to like around one hundred and fifty slides in an hour or so is really impressives. That's difficult to do.
Yeah, only she could do it. Yeah. So, however, Jason and I, before we get into the interview, of course, always talk about UFO news, and so let us talk about the news UFO news. What's your story for the week, Jason, Well, you know, as we keep talking about on a somewhat regular basis now, there are so many missions and tools and instruments planned and being launched in the search for alien life. And on Tuesday, March fourth, NASA released there an overview of
their twenty fifteen budget request. The money they're requesting for their twenty fifteen budget and some of it. One of the requests was for funding to formulate a mission to Jupiter's moon Europa. Now this is super exciting because astrobiologists mini astrobiologists feel that Europa is potentially the best place in our solar system to look for a trustrial life and many have been pushing for a mission for years and years and years. Now, well they're formulating a plan. That's that's what they
want to do with this money and see what Europa. Experts believe that there are that there is two to three times the volume of all liquid water on Earth there, so it's likely to have a wide variety of ecosystems and a recent study even suggests that the building blocks for life are common on Europa. That's why astrobiologists are so excited about looking there. So we'll see if they
can pull off this mission. And again, this is just funding to formulate a plan, and it's unlikely they're actually going to receive anything close to the full amount they need to launch a mission. But I guess because it's even part of what they're considering in the budget. That means they're looking at it, there's interest there, and it may happen sooner rather than later. So it's not super exciting, but it's kind of exciting. Yeah, I think
it's kind of exciting. I mean, all these projects are always so long time coming, but it's exciting at least that you know, these missions are starting to get on the books or looked at because I think, as a lot of people feel this could be the low hanging fruit. I mean, you know, these vast oceans could be the places are very likely places where there could be life and how cool would that be? I mean, I
don't know. I think it's really exciting because the possibility of some kind of who knows, huge whale like creatures or or you know, big and what if they're very similar to the creatures here on Earth you have, you know, like a jellyfish type of things. Who knows? Yeah, who knows? Enough the exciting thing because we don't know, and I think that would be even crazier if they were similar to life on Earth. M M. It's more likely that they're going to be things that we can't even imagine.
But also point out that another interesting and potentially exciting thing included in USA's budget proposal was money to help with to help to achieve a man's mission to Mars, and that's something they've been working on for quite a while. I still think, no matter what happens with their budget and whatever plans I have,
I still think Elon Musk is beating them all. Yeah. Yeah, And that's what's really exciting about all of this, especially with I don't know that there's any private because the private projects usually aren't as scientific, but at least we're going to Mars. I mean, I don't think it's going to be
too long. I mean, the one way trip is kind of scary, and personally I almost hope that that doesn't happen because that's just too dank scary, and I don't think those people understand what they're in store for being stuck in this little pod for the rest of their life. But a real trip but back and forth trip to Mars is getting closer and closer to reality.
It is, And you're right, I mean, a lot of the private things that are planned aren't exactly scientific missions or anything like that, but I do think there's a lot to be said for physical presence on a planet or a moon. You know, having people actually there is a lot different than having a robot rolling around. So yeah. Yeah. And even if you do have the Marsman colonists living there, they're living there forever, so yeah, they're going to see what's on the planet every single day. So yeah,
yeah, so pretty exciting. And and yeah the robots can't have all the fun, that's right, the robots. I mean they can, and soon we'll all be robots, so I see. Yeah, Well, what is your story, Alejandro. Yeah, well, we've got some cool sightings that are up and I think I already told people about this one where this gentleman got ahold of us and he saw an ORB with his son, and
that's kind of cool. They got really close to it. But hands down, my favorite story for this week and for a while, I just really love this story is this one I found on a Serbian military site about a Yugoslavian Army jet fighter pilot who talks about some of his UFO sidings. And some of you may or may not know, there is no Yugoslavia anymore. It's been broken up into Serbia and other countries and So this guy used to fly with the Yugoslavian Army when it was together. So this was some time
ago. But he is writing his memoirs on this website and in bits kind of like each chapter he posts, and this chapter is about UFOs, which is cool that he even decided to write one. But it starts off how he's arguing that you know, UFOs are real, and that you know there are people in the military who understand that and believe that, even though they're afraid to talk about it because people are made fun of when they talk about
it. But there's a real deal. And here's another reason why I believe that, not just because real credible people talk about it, but also because I had my own encounter. So he talks about his jet fighter encounters. These were usually mostly in the seventies, they were in the early seventies, and essentially they're very similar to other military accounts where they're told, hey, you know, while they're out on a training mission or something, can you
go check something out? And they say, okay, sure. They're vectored into an area where they see an object, usually a luminous object. They try to chase it and it zips off at incredible speeds. So that's essentially what happened to him, and it happened to him on a few times. He then retired. He actually came to the United States and worked on the F five jet fighters for a period of time, and that while he was still with the Yugoslavian Army, and then he became a military attache for Yugoslavia
and Turkey, and then he retired in ninety three. But even after he retired, he said he saw it. He had a couple of sightings, a couple of which he filmed, and that he thought for sure would be in the news the next day that other people around had seen him, but they never were, which just kind of gets confirmed to him that people are really shy about this stuff. So it's a really cool story. I think it's exciting. I just wrote for the magazine story on the Washington, DC
sidings in nineteen fifty two, which were bigger. I think then people realized there were more events than people realized. Really exciting stuff, but similar stuff where these things are seen on radar by several radars. Jets are vectored into the air, you just see an object. The objects fly around at incredible speeds, so, you know, really credible kind of leaving these guys, all these military guys kind of scratching their heads. And you know what's funny
is this guy says they just never talked about him once they land. You know, they kind of look at each other, They're like, Wow, that's really weird. What the hell was that? And then they just don't talk about them. They're not asked about it. Everybody just kind of ignores it and leaves it alone because they're like, well, we chased it and we couldn't catch it, what else are we supposed to do? So really cool, cool stuff. I think, Yeah, I do enjoy these military
stories, especially the ones from pilots. We hear some of the most incredible stories about, you know, trying to encounter these things and just hearing about the remarkable capabilities, and like you said, you know, it's strange. A lot of times they don't talk about it, but other times we hear
stories where they're actually told they shouldn't talk about it. Yeah, people worry about losing their jobs and this whole sort of culture built around it that it's not something to talk about and if you do, your job is in jeopardy. I mean, it's not unfortunate, but we hear that a lot. But I love these stories. Man. Yeah, it doesn't seem as though
this guy felt his job would be in jeopardy. But he did, yeah, that he would be looked at as weird and stuff, so he didn't talk about it because it's a really cool factor, which is just as strong, I think, especially in groups of guys, you know, and you don't want to be made fun of or something. So yeah, really cool. And in fact, if anybody who listens reads Serbian at the beginning of the story, I have the link where the story is and if you could
go look at that. I used Google Translate, but Google Translate is not perfect. It doesn't work that right, and so I know there was a lot lost in translation, and I didn't want to be inaccurate in any way, so I only grabbed the pieces out of the story that translated well. And I probably lost some interesting aspects of the story just because it wasn't translated right. So if anybody wants to go look at that and you know, send me some information that was left out or something, feel free to let
me know. And also if someone could someone told me the a I left the A because in the guy's name Swada Hamzika, and they said, well, when you trans I didn't understand what they said. They told me that his name didn't include the a's and I don't know if that's because of the translation in English or something, but if someone could explain that or tell me
if that's accurate or not, that'd be helpful too. So really cool stuff, Jason, Yes, sir, and I'm glad you chose that story to talk about because it is one of my favorites on the site right now. Yeah, it's pretty cool, and so of course everybody can go to Openminds dot tv. You'll see the stories we just talked about on the front page. And on the front page you'll also see a link to a new Spacing Out episode because we haven't had one in a while because of the conference.
Yeah, because of the conference, and because we moved offices and just had to wait for the studio to be finished. So finally finished, we're back in action. Awesome. All right, Well, thank you very much for joining us for the news. Jason. It is always my pleasure, our pleasure as well. Let's go ahead and bring on Patti Greer. I am very happy to welcome to the show, Patty Greer, Crap Circle researcher and filmmaker. Hello Patty, Hi Alejandro, and hello everybody out there. How
are you doing today. I'm so excited I almost feel like I'm back at the International up Hole Conference, just hearing your voice and sensing your smile. Oh well, good good. I'm glad that comes across over the air. It does, indeed, So did you have fun time at the Congress? I tell you it's my favorite week of the year. I've come every year with the movie except one and brought on three EV Awards That are my lovely little aliens with the movie camera on their shoulder, and it makes me very
happy to be a part of the family there. Mm hm. So you have three of them so far, so far, far to one more, but you know the table can really only hold three. Where they are now, that's the perfect Well. I have a feeling there's probably more in your future. I have a good feeling about that. Yep. So for me,
Well, there's a interesting history as far as getting into filmmaking. But you did a talk at the Congress, and I believe this is the first time you've talked even though, how many years have you been going to the Congress. In two thousand and seven, I missed the deadline for the film festival, and I had my brand new crop circle movie called The Wake Up Call anybody listening? And I had no idea what I was doing. As you know, I never trained, I'd never planned to do any of this.
But after laying in a crop circle and having a really extremely interesting experience in two thousand and seven, I came home and made a movie, full feature film in six months, and the whole thing was magic. And I've made six movies up till now. But when I had this first movie, I'm holding it like this little gold knocket, going what do you do with this? Where do you take it? So I went online and I found
the UFO Congress, and I missed the deadline. But Nikki, the family back then in two thousand and seven or eight, said send us a copy. Anyway. My dad, Bob Brown, loves crop circle movies. So he threw a special Tuesday lunch to show my first movie, not even in the film festival, that's how supportive he was, And so I brought a movie. Ever since, every year, my world premiere has been at your
congress. How cool, that's really cool. So and so you've been going every year since two thousand seven or eight, And how was your experience then getting it? Being able to present? Oh, this was the highlight, you know. I none of this was ever planned. I was never a researcher. And you know, I always dabbled with the unseen world since I
was a kid. I did WIGI since I was seven, But we weren't experienced, we weren't trained, and we went and loved at my best friend and I in her glasshouse at least once a week until we had invited a bad spirit and we didn't know what we were doing, but it scared us enough we never did it again. So I would see things, you know, always as a kid, But I never used the word UFO or ET. And I have to say I take offense to the word alien or abduction.
You know, to me, it's more contact ee and extraterrestrial because the difference is honoring them. I mean, don't you feel the difference when somebody says alien? It's like, do you mean somebody from another country that you have a judgment about? You know, It's it sounds like a judgment rather than extraterrestrial, which to me sounds really how I feel welcoming. Yeah, Yeah, certainly the term comes with some baggage, and I guess even by
definition it means something strange and different. Yeah, and even unidentified flying objects. You know, it's like, well, how vague can you be? So for me? You know, when I come to the Congress, I until this year when I was given a booth and I had they told me a standing ovation after my talk, I had no idea that happened. M
did you think can you see through those lights? Well, when I walk out on the stage, I'll be able to see the people, and you know what, it's so hectic and busy that I often forget and the details of what's happening because there's so much going on in my mind. Okay, we got to do this, we got to do this, we got to do that. So I didn't remember that specifically, but I believe you,
so that's awesome. Well, I had no idea until I was at a sacred circle at ten thirty at night AFT on the day I spoke, which was not only Valentine's Day, it was a full moon on Valentine's Day. I mean it was you know, because I'm a girl and I do love the world of magic in the unseen world. When there's a full moon, you know, that's when we believe, and I imagine you too, that the veils are thin and we can see more in the night sky, and
it's a very exciting time. Even the wolves like the howl. And when I say, even the wolves are even more telepathic and all that than we are. But you know, the more we start listening to the unseen worlds and wildlife and our pets, dogs and cats, you know how they sit at the door when you're miles away, they can sense your coming. We need to learn that, yeah, you know, And that's what I think. Ultimately, the goal is of your Congress Convention is for us all to
really advance our thinking. Maybe we should do that because I like to do that. We should tell everybody, let's all go outside and howl at the moon together. Na. Well, I'll tell you something that I did not say on stage because I didn't have the time. But I'm going to tell your audience to do this. And this is what started me on my back in a crop circle in two thousand and seven. And I know that I had an experience where I was taken and when I came back, I'm laying
on my back, I'm in a cross circle. I'm sunburn. I didn't know how long i'd been there. There was still no people, but I heard somebody coming in the crop circle, and that's what brought me to And I opened my eyes and I saw things in the sky that I had never seen before. And the more I focused on it, the more I realized that I was seeing of parallels reality. And I find that I can tell a lot of people how to see it, and most people say, oh
my god, I've seen that before. And you know, the doctors will say it's the veins in your eyes or the veins in your eyelids, but it's really not. We now can see a parallel reality with our eyes, and I think it's really important just to know. All it takes is to look. So when you go outside, have you ever seen when you relax your eyes and look up into the blue of the sky, the little glimpse
of light that you can see everywhere, like little glitter darting around. So I want to encourage us to start looking at that and then go into a stair where you really relax your eyes and watch those little glitters darting around. And then the second step is to notice the trail of light they leave behind them. And again this is about relaxing your vision and not focusing, but
watching energy. And when you start seeing these white darting things that most people can see, and you start noticing the trail behind them, then your eyes are at the level where you'll start seeing what I think is some form of plasma energy. And they are everywhere and every time I take people outside and I start with that slow, start with a glimpse, then watch the trail. Then you'll see these plasma round things and snakelike things, and they're like
the consistency of a jellyfish in water. But it's in the sky and you can see these things if you take the time. And I really think that that's the lesson right now in this day and age, is taking the time to get out of your busy life and start looking and start listening telepathically to the information we're getting. All six of my movies were made through telepathic listening. I didn't do any research, Alejandro. I didn't make reservations with any
of the people that were in my movies. It was all spontaneous combustion. All of them happened by my willingness to be in full surrender, and I would just know where to go. Mm hm. So I want to get back to that because that's really interesting and your first experience. So in two thousand and seven you had this experience with a crop circle. What encouraged you? What were you doing at that time, maybe professionally or with your life,
and then what encouraged you to go visit the crop circles. I was a musician my whole life. I was a professional musician for about thirty three years, and in two thousand and one I did something really stupid. I left twenty seven years who was a brilliant, honest man, because he told me that I should get the mercury fillings out of my teeth. So I went for a second opinion and trusted a doctor I didn't know for thousands less.
And the guy must have been playing with mercury fillings so long. Those silver ones that they call amalgam are full of mercury fifty percent. And we had agreed that he was going to put white fillings and a gold crown in me, and I walked with a I woke up with a mouthful of new mercury fillings, and my hands went down. For eight years of all things, my harp fingers, beautiful callouses turned into open sowers. And so when you see photos of me in the past in the croft circles, you see
sometimes I'm wearing gloves. So I was so desperate to heal, and my doctors, for some reason, chose to lie to me for seven years. They gave me the wrong blood test. And I went in there three years ago showed them the right blood test. But they're still choosing to give the wrong blood test. Okay, end of story there. So this is an orchestrated thing, mercury fillings and people. But we don't have to believe that's true because I finally got the right test. It's called inorganic mercury, and
now I'm healed. But had I stayed with the doctors and trusting all that, I would have never healed. But during the course of my desperation, when I was trusting my doctors and I just like, well, you know what to do wrong, I went to the croft circles. I gave up on humans. I went to every kind of healer and couldn't get well, and it was because I had all was mercury and me, you know, it's going through my body. So I went and started laying in crop circles.
That's what took me there. Who'd guess, mm hmm. Interesting. And so then tell us yan detail about this experience in two thousand and seven. Well, I was such. I was in such deep surrender because I had pretty much lost to use of my fingertips now for a couple of years. And it was serious. It was really serious, because you know, music was how I identified myself to life. I had two pianos, two harps. I played all the time. I gigged and did really I played
for the spiritual masters that came to America. I mean, I was very serious with playing music. And all of a sudden it's gone. And it was so painful that all of a sudden a lot of friends that pretended to be friends were gone. And you know, I was in an unusual level of surrender, which I would have never expect did because I had the life of being the Golden child. It was easy. Everything was easy, and it was my surrender that took me there. So in two thousand and seven.
I went for nine weeks by myself to the crowd circles and the epicenter is an area between Stonehenge and Glastonbury and it's right in the center is called the Asbury Stone Circle. Have you ever been there in England? No, I've never been to England. I wish I would. It's really lovely.
And the reason the circle makers have chosen this area more than anywhere else on the planet, I'm pretty sure, is because when we document all the crop circles in the world, almost every single one has been located over an aquifer underground water Pool and Wiltshire and southern England, and this area is sitting over the largest chalk aquifer in the world. And it's historic white horses in this area that are emblazoned in the hill They carve away the earth above it to
get down to the chalk. So they've got these a two thousand year old chalk horse carved up on a hillside, and then they've got these two hundred and around that area year old horses. White horse they call them in different areas sacred sites of Southern England. And the interesting thing about this area not only is all this chalk and the white horses. But the other thing is it is laced with more sacred sites I think per every square mile than anywhere
else may be on the planet. And I might be incorrect with that, but I know that when we lay out the lay line map of this area of Wiltshire, England, and surrounding areas, including Stonehenge in Glastonbury, a lay line map is a direct line between two sacred sites is a lay line.
So this area looks like a spider web because there's so many sacred mounds where people have pilgrimage across Europe for thousands of years just to go and be at Silvery Hill or West Ken, at Long Barrow or Stonehenge or any of these medieval places where people used to gather to do sacred ceremony. So the energy here of the earth and the people and the connection is really really deep. And when it's sitting over all this water, you can imagine it also
radiates into the water. So when we look at the end of summer at a lay line map and we stick a pushpin of every crop circle that's happened, not only are they all almost all sitting on a lay line, but many of them are sitting on a crossing of two lay lines, which we
call a node, and that's a super power point. So this area is obviously a good place for the epicenter, but it's very possible that there might be other places with massive amounts of crop circles, but nobody's flying over it or driving by or walking into it to know that it's going on, So we don't know. So with your experience in two thousand and seven, you then like had this feeling you had to make movies. It wasn't like I
had any feeling. I started taking an insurmountable amount of photos and I had just an instamatic camera, but I took it everywhere. And I started getting on those little planes completely fearless, which is not like me to get into a plane. And the pilt said door on or door off, and I'm like, oh, that's funny, and he just looked at me and I said you're serious, and he said, well, the professionals and I'm like, oh, so they're on my side, and I, you know,
grab this little seat belt. I'm looking around from my halter. I've got no door on and it's just a micro light and I'm like where's the halter, Where's like the seat belting? And he said, oh, it's just that little thing. I mean, like a man's belt with a buckle, that solid. It was ridiculou. So I'd go in these little planes. And this is before I had a movie camera. I didn't know what I was doing and just had my little ligisthematic. Next thing I knew I had
taken eleven hundred photos of crop circles. Wow, that's a lot. And every day all I wanted to do is be in them. And I would walk till I was almost limping, and at night I would go upon the hill and just be there alone. Sometimes at these places where we knew that in the field below crop circles happened. There's certain fields where every year one two, three crop circles happened. In east Fields they always happen. At Milk Hill, they always happened at you know, we have different farms in
Avebury, at Abury manor at Abury Truslow. There's always crop circles in these same fields year after year. So at night we do what's called night watch, and we go and we watch the hills and there's you know, sometimes other photographers there with movie camera's infrared set up and they did film for hours and hours and it's really cold, but that's night watch, you know. And you hope to be that person who hits play and gets to film a
crop circle being made by the balls of life and so. And prior to all of this, like you said, you had no film experience, no nothing whatsoever. So at the end of these nine weeks, I felt like I knew everybody that was active in the crop circles that summer. And we have this little central place meeting place. It's called the Silent Circle, and they have a cafe and they sell our movies and books and different things about
crop circles. But everybody meets there. And you know that if you go there, you're going to run into other researchers and get the whisper about what crop circle happened last night and where. And you want to get there at the crack of dawn and be in what we called ourselves in front life, so that you get into the before a bunch of people go tramping in or one of the few but there are some tour guides takes ten people into a
crop circle. Then they get really stepped on, and it becomes harder to tell right off the beat if it's human made with boards and ropes where they're obviously broken, or if they're eteam made or something extra dimensionally made where the wheat is not broken, where it's bent it's actually an expanded like an elbow
bubble, and it bends over. And when you've got one hundred thousand of them doing it side by side by side, and some are going left and the next ones are going right and the others, I mean, there's some mastery to this artwork. And in the peak of summer, there's only three hours of darkness, so this is being done. I think the ones that are being done by the circle makers are being done in seconds. And there's only one filmmaker that ever hit. He wasn't even a filmmaker, he was
just a random guid he at play. Have you ever seen the Oliver's Castle footage nineteen ninety six where two balls of light go over wheat field and boom in seconds that fields down m you've seen that. I have some people feel that that was hoaxed footage would do you what do you think of that? Well? I had a most phenomenal experience with it, and I think this is one of the things that Excitedly Spiegel. I know that my balls of
Light pictures with the doorway are really really exciting to him. But you know, I think the biggest thing I've ever done which stuns me. Not one researcher will pat me on the shoulder and say, God, thank you for finding me. But here's what happened, and I know it's real. I came home with permission to use the original footage from Janet Ossa Bard and Bert Johnsen from the Netherlands, and they were the early people in there. They
were there that day when John Waby came in. They were in England that summer in the crop circle, so I think they had the original footage and I got permission to bring it home and use it, so I stick it in at the end of this movie. And when I did the eleven hundred photos. At the end of summer, I went to this Glastonbury Crop Circle symposium and I realized everybody on stage or my friends, there were people I've
been hanging out with all summer. I hired the film crew that was filming that event for a day and I asked my friends if I could just bring the crew around and they'd meet me in the crop circle or at the sacred tree or whatever. And so I filmed everybody, and I thought it was for my family, my friends, because I was just like, eyes huge,
how amazing it was. So I get this crew up in the plane and I'm paying for all this, and I bring it home and I hire a kid on Craigslist to put it together so I can show my family, still not realizing us making a movie, and I lay this thing out at seventy seven minutes and it ends with the Oliver's Castle footage where the balls light laid a crop circle down in seconds and all of a sudden, Alejandro, the hair went up on my arms and I got chills head to toe and
tingles on the top of my head, and my eyes got really glossy. And the editor looked at me and he goes, you look weird, and I said, I'm getting the ceiling that I get inside a cross circle. I feel like the circle makers are in the house. And he's looking at me and I said, look at my arm, and he's like, holy crap, what's going on? And I said reverse the footage. He says, why And I said, reverse the footage. It was really creepy.
So he reversed the footage and we're both watching it and I said, flow it down. He said house flow and I said, I don't know thirty percent. And we both looked at each other and it was one of those moments where I went, wow, that was creepy. So we reversed it. Stop and there it was, right before our eyes. Is this communication between the two balls of light? On that original footage there is a band directly between the two balls of light that's fleck white white, black black white.
It looks like a communication. And because of how I found it, it wasn't like I knew thirty percent by doing math or reversing it because I thought so it was. They came in the house and I got telepathic direction and I was willing to listen, and this poor editor he just looks to me like that was really weird. And I said, guess what. We just proved the Oliver's Council footage is real. So I'm super excited about it.
I'm like, oh my god, this is incredible. This is the best thing for croft circles you know, of all time, and nobody still today will deny it or acknowledge it, and people can go, I mean, on YouTube and find this video, or do you have it at your website where people can go look at that and see for themselves. My website is p A T T Y g R e e R dot com Patti Greer dot com. I have six movies, but two of them show this footage. My first movie is called The wake Up Call Anybody Listening, and you
can see it at the very end of the movie. And because nobody acknowledged it, I was like, how could this not be happening? You guys
should be so excited. My god, this thing is real. I stuck it at the beginning of my fourth movie called Crop Circle Update, The wake Up Call, and at your event it won Best Feature Film in twenty ten and it won Best Musical Score that movie, the Wake Up the Crop Circle Update movie, because I stuck that proof in the first five minutes in your face, and I showed it three times at the very beginning of the movie, maybe five minutes in, and still I'm like, really, guys,
are we this competitive? Because for me, it's not that I'm all brilliant or that I'm a scientist. The circle makers are working with us. I think it's partially two. With some of this stuff, though, it's kind of like people, because you know how it is, people are focused on this a particular area and what they're looking at, and it's just do you think it's ignored? Do you think it's more like they just don't know what
to do with it? Or if I were a researcher and I saw one of my compadres lay that down and tell me how it happened, and I'm watching it and it's there in front of my eyes, every undeniable, I'd say, dang, and I put my arm around him and buy him a beer Champagne. I mean, you know what we need now is to break history. You know, we're in the worst corruptive time I think of all time, where we're being lied to on so many levels that people don't even
know what to believe anymore. So we've got so many infiltrators. Even in our beautiful party there that I found myself saying to someone who I knew was an alphabet suit person saying to my face something that I knew was untrue. I just said, can you imagine how hard it would be to wake up every day at an event like this and know you're lying to everybody to see can you imagine? You know? Anyway? That's all I have to say.
And then I really feel like I just hope they hear something that excites them enough to jump ship and come join us, because to me, this is the greatest story never told. It is so exciting to know how real this is? Don't you think it is? And I mean, one of
the greatest stories. And I keep going back to this because I think it's just so terribly interesting and I want to know more about it is just how because I think it's incredible that someone who you know, didn't know anything about filmmaking or anything is compelled to do so after you know, being in a crop circle and then makes these films and now you've made several of them. What was that like like when you first picked up a video camera? Was
it really foreign or totally? Yeah? And then so how did you learn it? Do you feel you learned it pretty quick? It seems like you did. And did it? How did it feel to go tackle that and make your your first movie? The whole thing's just been kind of like a dream, Alejandro. And when Bob Brown invited me to come to the International UFO Congress and show my brand new movie because you liked it that much. I was just over the moon. I was like, oh my god,
I'm supposed to be doing this. I mean, it really threw me. So as I'm coming to the event, my editor said to me take my new camera, this little Panasonic P two. And I was like, yeah, right, I'm going to do that. I don't even know which end point. Obviously there's a lens, but you know, that's that's what I said. So he said, let me get you and I said, I'm on my way to the airport. Don't tease me. He said, take the camera so you don't hire a film troop. I know you can do
it. He hands me this thing. At the congress in two thousand and eight. I go into my hotel room and he'd said, do you want a tripod? I said no, no, no, I don't want to hal stuff. Oh that was smart. So I got the camera in the case. I'm carrying it around, you know, hut clutching into my breath like I can't believe the hand of me is movie camera. And I go to the hotel room. This was in Laughlin, and I zoomed in on the curtain as he told me, and then I zoomed in on the TV
back, the bed back. I strapped that thing on over my little low neck shirt and I went out and filmed everybody. After my movie played on Tuesday, I had the whole week of everybody knowing that Bob Brown introduced me as the new upcoming UFO filmmaker. And now I've got this weapon in my room, a camera, and I kind of had an idea how to use it. You open the little door, you turn these knobs. Seriously,
that's all I knew. And I did movie two twenty nine of the People at the UFO Congress in two thousand and eight, and it turned out pretty good. And then then I started thinking, Wow, dang, I think I can do this. So I bought myself a camera, went back to England that summer in two thousand and eight and filmed three movies. Not that I knew I was doing it, but everywhere I went I thought I was
making a fairy film. But I was in the crop circles every day because I was totally drawn like a magnet, didn't have any options, and so I was goming the crop circles, and it was, you know, two thousand and eight, and all the people in Europe years ahead of us, or people that I knew over here, we're talking about the twenty twelve phenomenon, And so I'd say, why do you tell me about the crop circles? Why don't you tell me about twenty twelve. Also, so I made
the twenty twelve movie. It's called twenty twelve. Were already in it. And one of the more amazing speakers was a woman named Patricia Corey, and sitting in the crowd circle. We're buddies by now, and it was the most beautiful day. The circle was one day old, two thirty in the afternoon. I couldn't believe nobody was there. Usually on the second day of a great crop circle, there's at least four or five six of us, and it was empty. So it's really cool. She's over there meditating,
getting ready for the interview. I'm setting up the camera, and as we drove up to this formation called Westwoods, the name of the farm, she said she was telling me about this creepy couple that she swears are not human and they're always in the crop circles every summer, and they look like Barbie and Ken, perfect beautiful blonde couple, perfect everything. And I said, don't be silly. I saw them in this crop circle yesterday. They were here. I don't think they'll be back. So she said, I swear
I can feel people behind me, but those people I can't feel. And dang this thing. I got to tell you. I'm setting up the camera. I do a full three sixty empty field. I'm ready for her. I'm just kind of starting to wait and I hear crunch, crunch, and I look behind me and there's Barbie and Ken and some creepy little entity being. I mean, it was a very weird looking, hunched over maybe person, I don't know, but the three of them were walking through the crop
circle and I just slipped my camera on them and zoomed in. And the guy says, hey, Patty, what's up? And I said, oh nothing. He said, what do you filming? I'm zoomed in on his faith, her face, the creepy little thing, and I'm like, oh nothing, just a pretty day out there. And I watched them, you know, go into the They'd never disappeared, so I didn't know, but I was pretty surprised that they all of a sudden appeared and were walking through
the field. So she comes over, sits down, and I'm ready to interview her, and all of a sudden, the first helicopter came over and it circled over, and I'm sure it was just filming the crop circle. It was such a beauty and then it flew away, so I lit up
the camera. We started the interview and it was going great, and then comes the second helicopter and it wouldn't leave, and it stayed over us for a very long time, and it had a red light blinking between two black metal things pointed at us, and it hovered circled over us for fifteen or twenty minutes. It was really, really a long time for just the two of us to be right below this thing, and it was low enough to blow our hair. So I didn't like it. I didn't like it at
all, and I skipped coming back the next summer. I felt uncomfortable. It's not a game I want to play. I'm not there to, you know, do that. So I did skip the next year, but I had all this footage from filming all summer, so I did make twenty twelve are already in it. Which one Best Feature Film at your International UPO Congress Convention. So I was wired. I was so excited to make movies because now I was winning these awards. Mm hmm to it. That is pretty
cool. I mean, and what do you feel like? I'm sure you feel Why would guess that you feel you have a goal? Like you were given this ability or compulsion for a reason. Yeah, you know, it's all disclosure, Alejandro. And we're in such a bizarre war with humans right now that we have this much of a faction with that much money hush hushing this And it was interesting. The guy in the Netherlands that gave me that amazing spinning crop circle footage that I showed at your event sent me a link
to Hanger one files. Have you seen that yet? It's so creat Yeah, but you know, it's like talking about all the presidents that blatantly most of them knew, were sure that many of them knew. But you know, this secrecy is it's over the top and it's unnecessary. Humans can handle it, and we're ready for a miracle because what's happening now needs to stop. And you know, when I look at the phenomena that I got gifted, which is the crop circles. I mean, what a beautiful thing for
a girl. They're beautiful, they're energized. Your whole body lights up. When you're ten feet from it. You can feel it. I know when I'm close because I'll just lift my arm and go, well, that does that. I can tell I'm close. And I look behind me at my boyfriend in twenty eleven because he said, I'm not going to make anything up
or pretend I feel, and I'm like, no problem. And as soon as I let up, as we were walking in the first crop circle of that summer, I looked behind me and he had his arm up, hair standing up, goosebumps, and his mouth was hitting his knee. So it's a really physical, physical feeling. And I don't think we're being radiated.
I think it is something extra dimensional going on. And when I look at most of the speakers at most of the EU WEPO congresses or I don't mean conventions, it's mostly men, and it's mostly history rather than what's happening today. And maybe if some of them, of course, are talking about what's happening today. But the thing that stunds me is the fact that crop circles have been slit under the rug. It's like nobody's come out with anything new
other than me, and I'm being like split under the rug. Thank you for inviting me, and I got a standing ovation. And Lee Spiegel on your show last week said Patty Grier is the first person that's actually says something new about crop circles. And I'm just crazy little person that's never been a community, jumping up and down going what these things are real? I have all this proof and then I go back to my little mountain retreat and I'm,
you know, back in the woods again. But how could something just latance be swept under the rugs? You know, at all the conferences, they're talking about the ships, the beings, the lights and the skies, but they're ignoring the most blatant think of all, which is the sticky notes in the fields, the text messages in the fields. And it's not just England, it's Mexico, Argentina, some really obscure countries of course, Italy, Holland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, They're all getting
crop circles year after year after year. Only a few in America, and when they happen here, the military shows up and blocks the field from researchers. I'm sorry, that doesn't make it look very fake to me, but I don't want to go into the fake nature because it's really for me more about how important the crop circles are, and the movies that I made, you know, two of them, proving that the Oliver's Castle footage is real is a very important piece of trusting the crop circle reality, and the real
circle makers are not humans, the iron fact, these extraterrestrials. So when I was there in twenty ten, I was up on night Watch one night and my friend Monique from the Netherlands was also doing night Watch, and we had different cameras and we're both filming these orange balls of light at a distance. The hill that I was on had a bunch of cows and a guy from England that said, those are just military flairs over there, and I'm
like, well, that's good. I'm glad you think so. But I'm excited because these things are moving towards me and I'm going to keep taking pictures. So this is the one that I think is probably the most outstanding stuff that I've shot and my friend Monique is these orange balls of light. They are not orbs, and orbs are what a lot of people get on camera.
They're beautiful, they're opaque, you can see through them, they have patterns within, and they usually have a thicker, dense border than the interior where you can see the light inside. These things are different. They're orange, and they're gold, and some of them are yellow, but they are far more dense. They're balls of light carrying vehicles that everybody is not everybody many of us have seen over the crop circles through the last three decades of
summers. I happen to film them, and Monique with their thirty five millimeter camera film these incredible close ups where you could really see the detail of these balls, and as they started to turn, you could see what looks like a cutout of a piece of pie. And as it turned more you could see this. It appeared to be a big black band that went across this ball of light. In twenty ten, I filmed these guys that had fallen out of their truck in front of me at the Silent Circle. It was
early in the morning. My boyfriend and I had been in the formation since six point thirty. I was so excited with what I filmed. We're just sitting there having talks. I feel like our day was almost done. And I see these two guys fall out of their truck and barely be able to walk toward the research center. And you know, we're thinking, ha ha, you know they're drunk or something, you know, And all of a sudden, I said, they don't look drunk. They don't look right.
And I got up and ran over. I said, do you need help? And the guy could barely look off the ground, and he came up into my eyes and he said, oh what we saw last night? Oh my god. I'm like, come join us, money, please get them coffee. And this guy and his buddy that barely spoke English said, my eyes don't lie. It's my rational mind that's trying to find a rational explanation. The last night, over Eastfield, we saw these orange balls of light
and we were out there on the hill for hours. We saw nothing. So we went to our camper van and heard these French people coming excitedly up the hill. So we went back down and these things lit up over Eastfield and they disappeared, and then they lit up again. And these two guys from Belgium described that these balls turned. A doorway opened and they saw illucinated ball beings with arms, legs and the head come out of the balls of
light. It was really stunning. Yeah, and so I was like, I'm really trying not to make a movie, but can I interview you? And then everywhere we went in England, everybody we met when I had my camera told us the same story pretty much. It was scary. My poor boyfriend when we got back America, he bailed it. He was just jaw hanging at the end of every day. And I said, you remember I told you I wanted to leave my camera at home. This is what I
meant. And he didn't believe me that. When I have my camera and I'm in that area, they handed me on a platter. Alejandro, it's their thing. But the next day we go to a wedding in Glastonbury, hours away, and on the way there we stopped at a crop circle in a place called Roundaway Farm, climbed the hill. I said, leave the camera in the car. Of course he doesn't. He brings it on his back. So I said, okay, well we get the camera. I've
never interviewed kids. Listen to those kids laughing. So I bring these kids up on camera. There's three of them, a mom and a dad and the big dogs, and they speak Dutch, but the mother could translate. I said, would you ask the children what they think of this crop circle? So the one little girl, like five years old, long blond hair, big blue eyes, like a crystal child, starts speaking really quickly in Dutch, and the mother translates, she doesn't want to talk about this crop
circle. She wants to talk about the one in east Field. We were in the other day, whoa and the five year old says, they told me that they were the orange I saw the orange faults of light like a candle flame, and they told me the circle's not done yet. They're gonna make it bigger. I'm like, a five year old is predicting, they told her. So that night we go to a wedding and I meet another guy and I said, what do you do? He said, I do
automatic writing in the cross circles. I said anything interesting lately, and he pulled out the books laughs it open. He says, yeah, yeah, the other day I was in Eastfield and they were the orange beings and I asked him, and they wrote the word yes, and then they told me the circle's not done yet. They're going to make it bigger. My poor boyfriend, Oh my god, I thought he was going to die. And sure enough, the next day the formation was bigger. Three days later,
phase three. It was incredible. And that movie's called four Stories, One Event, Other World. This is how movies happened. And when this boyfriend watched it happen in front of him, it really he just I just kept seeing his jawn at knee and he was just like, I can't believe what I'm seeing. And I said, yeah, I guess I'm kind of a surrender silf. So really, it happens so dramatically that when I've got the camera, it's like they just throw it at me. I mean, when
I took the guy behind the church and said can I film you? You know, the guy that couldn't even look up from Belgium that saw the illuminated light beings come out. I go behind the church. I've never been back there, and there's four steps, the lighting is perfect, and the wind stops. I mean, it's like, you guys make it so easy.
And this is what convinces me that I'm supposed to be doing it. My EVY awards at the UFO Congress show me that the information is accurate and real and accepted by, in my opinion, the smartest community of uthologist in the worlds. We all come together for a week and blow the roof off one resort, so to be invited to be a speaker there and to have a standing ovation by that many smart people was a really lovely balancing act for how
difficult the business has been with humans, It's been a nightmare. On a financial level, it's been the worst people I've ever dealt with, But on an extraterrestrial level, it has been the greatest experience of my life, and I feel deeply honored to be a part of this. My last question,
because we're running out of time, and is when it comes. It sounds like you're saying there's kind of a twofold purpose to these crop circles, that they're not just a message, but they're also doing some sort of making some sort of physical change on people, like healing or having a physical effect on
people as well who visit them. Well, you know, we didn't talk about the messages in our forty five minutes a little, but the messages are why the circle makers, the extraterrestrial are choosing to leave us messages and fields that will last for two to three months, hoping that people like me will get in those little planes with no door and lean out with a huge movie
camera and still these things to share them with people. The sacred geometry is one that they love because sacred geometry is typically a center point and all these patterns come out symmetrically from it, which says to the brain, Ah, you know, the brain looks at it. It's no question. It's just kind of like a massage where you can look at it and realize that if
you can relax, yourize and see. This three D nature of sacred geometry typically becomes what Foster Gamble of the Thrive movie calls the Torust equilibrium, that energy field that goes around the planet, that goes around each human and it does come out of the crop circles. Why would all the crop circles be sitting over an aquifer of water because that resonance of these information from higher dimensional beings, they send it into the waters of Earth to go out into the
ocean. I mean, I really feel that it's very intentional. So that's the sacred geometry. Then we have the binary codes, and the binary codes, as you know, it can be deciphered by the ASCI code, the zeros and ones, the computers can analyze it, the mathematicians can analyze it.
But we have really blatant binary code crop circles wrapped around. For instance, in two thousand and one, when Donald Rumsfeld announced one day that two point three trillion dollars was missing from government transactions, and the spuriously the next day a newcover story was born. Nine to eleven. Now wrapped around that before and after, maybe coincidentally, maybe not worth these two binary code crop circles, the one with the alien face in the disc. Do you remember
that one? Do you remember the circle the disc was zeros in one that was binary code. And when they deciphered that message, the message, I think, coincidentally or not, might have related to what we just experienced. It said, beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises. Much pain, but still time. Believe there is good out there. We oppose
deception conduit closing. And before nine to eleven happened, we had the Aercibo message which was a response that we sent out from Aircibo in Puerto Rico, this huge telecommunication dish that we sent this very specific message out into space, and we did it in our language through a code that told them basically our genetics, our DNA, our shape of our body, our telecommunication tower, all these different elements of our planet. And in two thousand and one who
they sent us back almost an identical mirror image with nine specific changes. They had different nucleotipes, they had a larger head, a different population, their planets had a different layoff, But it was really really a similar image to the Arecibo message sent. Now, both of these binary codes, which can be read and we did and clearly deciphered, were not only in a farm
field. They were eight miles from each other to a year apart, but they're both sitting in a farm field that had telecommunication towers on the side. So it wasn't just any arbitrary field. The circle makers laid these important crop circle messages in fields where there were towers, where if the humans were conscious and awaken enough, they would have the opportunity to shouted to the world. Did they know? Another very interesting crop sercle style is the pictograms, and
that's where you see a picture. And in two thousand and nine phenomenal summer pictograms where we had all these fish. We had the squid, we had the daltin spinning in a circle. We had three trout in a circle. We had really unusual sea creatures squids, octopus, and then we had the ancient sea creature, the orthoceras. And then they hit us with birds. We had the owl and the thunderbird and the phoenix and all these different birds, the groups of sparrows, and we had the dragonfly. It had wings
with veins in them. I mean, these cross circles were incredible where you look at it and you don't have to scratch your head. It's obviously a phoenix, it's obviously a bird. And within nine months the VP oil spill happened and killed millions of birds, millions of fish, I'm sure millions of
dragonflies and might still be today. But in my opinion, was the higher dimensional beings giving us messages in the field for all people to see, and instead these cropstircle messages are being swept under the rug because they are the only extra terrestrial communication that is in plane sight. Every year, year after year without relenting. I don't know why people are ignoring it. And I certainly
am giggling this that my movies are hidden this well. But people can find me on Amazon preferably, you can find me on my website, which is www dot Pattigreer dot com. And I think that you guys on your radio show, I loved it that you said it wasn't a surprise that people enjoyed my presentation, but Lis Biegel called me his biggest surprise because a lot of people that are highly intelligent in our field are bored with the cropstrible talk because
people aren't bringing in anything new. And I think that's what happened this year that was exciting. And I told a lot of movies because I'm showing how real they really are. And I'm also showing in these films the delivery mechanism that they're bringing. They're coming in these big orange balls of light that have a doorway where the beings come out. I mean, it's really phenomenal, and it's all on film and everybody has access really to I think, all
the important information. But when you've got a media conglomerate that are really committed to hide the important films and the important stuff so that humanity can't evolve and really get the truth. Therein lies our problem today, and we have to be really, really careful not to welcome them into our community because we want disclosure and it's going to happen, and I'm doing my part, and I'm really delighted to be in touch with the circle makers. Even here in America,
I feel like I have constant contact and consistent telepathic education. Well, like you said, people can go to Pattigrier dot com to get your movies and get more information. We are out of time, but it's been very interesting and always a lot of fun to talk to you. And I'm sure hopefully you know people can contact you or we'll contact you. You have like a Facebook and also right, yes, so people can go contact you there and you have a contact. This is all at your website really at Pattigrier
dot com, So pattigrew dot com definitely. And the last thing I want to mention is my brand new movie, The Shift has hit the fan, and even though it didn't win Best Feature Film this year at your event, it is a really fascinating movie because now we're taking the cross circles into what they're really many of them are telling us is about propulsion formulas, and this movie takes us into free energy and shows a lot of the scientists that are
doing really successful things that are going to help this planet evolve about gas and oil and retarch being a healthy, clean planet. That's the new movie, The Shift to hit the family. Cool and I love the name. Very creative and thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you for all you do, Alejandro. All right, thank you so much to Patti Grid for being on the show. Pattigrew dot com is where you can go
see more about her movies and about her ideas around crop circles. They are people love the movie, so go pick up a couple or get one in and see what you like and check out the rest of them. I also want to remind you all of the news that we talked about earlier today. You can see at Openminds dot tv. Also, you could go to our YouTube channel and see the latest episodes of Spacing Out. Remember I told you that there is a new one, so you can see Jason and Maureen talking
about the latest news on our YouTube. And then we also have some really cool interviews out there with Lee Spiegel and Jeffrey Bennett and also Richard who the NASA scientists, So some really cool interviews and some stuff about the conference up there as well. So go check out our YouTube if you haven't recently. There's a lot of cool stuff up there. Be sure also to subscribe to
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the website, so go check that out. It's just Open Minds magazine. And then finally, I want to think the people who make the music, And right now the people who make the music is Caleb Hanks, and we've been playing first of our custom open music that he made for us, but also playing some music from his latest EP, it's called The Clerk Chronicles is the music. He also does some artwork and like a comic book kind of thing there. Either way, the music is super cool and I love it.
We're gonna play a whole song today and that's going to be the second track from the EP, which is called Wars among Galaxies. To see more about Caleb Hanks and The Clerk, you can go to The Clerk Chronicles dot com and you can also download all this music for free there, so definitely go check that out and support him. He's an awesome music musician and I'm always so happy that he Let's just use this music anyway. Also, thank
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