Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. This is your host Alejandro Rojas, and I am here with my good friend Martin Willis. I've gotten a little bit of feedback and I would like to hear your what you think of this, Martin, Some people miss h when I give you. I used to give you that little nickname in the middle. You know, I'd say Martin, goofball Willis or something like that. I use that one a lot, Goofball, I probably use it the most. But you rolled your
eyes, so it seems like you don't miss it. No, some of them were really funny and uh, but you know, I never know what you're gonna say. Yeah, you know, and it was kind of like an improv thing. Yeah, what's going on? It hurt? Did it ever hurt your feelings? That's cleaning my lens. You think I'm gonna say that on the air. I'm gonna just I like to clean my lens and do adjustments on my camera wearing the showing the show. In fact, I'm
gonna move it maybe just like here. It's so funny. I tweak during the entire show. You've probably noticed I shouldn't do that. Oh, and it's time. It's the time of the show. This reminds me there was a time of the show on uh pee wee Herman and I forget where. I guess there were lots of times where the male man came to the window or something. Okay, who I think was Phil Hartman. You got really
excited about that part. But it's just like that when Stacy right from Phoenix Move On, pops in and says hello, we have that kind of pee wee Herman moment where we got this Oh look at Stacy, Hi Stacy. Yeah, Hi Stacey. It looks like she's in She's good buddies with my girlfriend Karen. Who Karen, Stacy's in here, at least for now. She was curious. Hi Stacy. We all say hi, but yeah,
lots of other people in here. Derk Renee Louise. I'm going to talk about Louise of the Unidentified Celebrity Review because I was just watching a couple of his videos that I thought he brought up some interesting points I wanted to talk
about. Yeah, but you know, and this really has turned into I was talking to Karen about this before kind of an AMA like, you know, you can join the live here on YouTube, So if you have questions, please do come in and ask because, as you all have noticed in the past shows recently since we've been doing this, we go off on tangents when people ask the messages and we answer questions or just go off on weirdness or whatever when people do ask questions. So in fact, somebody just asks
a question right now. Question for you, Martin, did your interview with Streeber in any way change your views on either him or his story? And it is Streeber is how you pronounce it? Go, Yeah, well maybe we should call this an amaa ask me almost anything. But no, that's okay, I'll answer that question. I can't ask you about this. Yeah, no, no, it's like another guest appearance by one of our guests who come to the show. Pumpkin. Oh the dog, Yeah, the
cute little dog. Oh, I see the little tiny thing. That's the designated spot that dog Layson, I've seen it. Yeah, it's his favorite spot. Yeah. I kind of keep an eye on the kitchen, on you, everything else exactly. He keeps an eye on me and the kitchen. So someone goes in the kitchen and does something, or if he wants to come over and get a pet or make me do something. I'm essentially a slave. If he wants to go outside, he comes over. If you want to pet, if you want to food. So that's I'm ready
to answer that question. Still, I knew what I was getting into when I interviewed Whitney. You know, there was a lot I've taken some bashing because I didn't take him to task, which I have taken other people to task on some of my shows. So I understand why people are saying, well, why do you do this to this guy? Not to this guy? But I knew what I was getting into when I invited Whitney on and I let him do his Whitley on and I let him do his thing.
Basically, I question to him right off the bat, and the first thing I said to him in five minutes was, you know, you're a great fiction writer. What do you say to the people that say this is not fiction? You know of your abductions and things like that. And he said he's been asked that question seven hundred and fifty thousand times. His exact words. I said, well, add one more to it. Anyway, He kind of he did his thing. There's some of the things that are way
out there. You know, maybe some of the things happened to him. I'm not really sure. He's a He's a very intelligent man. He's a great storyteller, and we talked quite a bit off air. I'm actually going to be doing some appraising of art for him, and I enjoyed the conversation. That's all I got to say. I don't look back. I rarely ever listened to my past shows or podcasts, but I listened to a good part of that one, and I'm not unhappy with it. So but I
would the question specifically, was I think it's a good question. Did this change your views of him or his story? I could be a politician, couldn't I I did a pretty good job with that. But but that's why you rel me back. I'm getting out of you, I will say, going around the question, I'm going to get the answer from you. I will see that's all you want, buddy, All right, here it goes. Uh. As I said in the beginning of the answer, I knew
what I was getting into. So in that case, I would say, no, I'm not my mind has not changed on what I think about Whitley. It's that didn't move in any which way. See everything you just told me makes perfect sense to me, because that's exactly how I feel. I like talking to Whitley. He's his brain is very interesting. He doesn't live
in reality. And you know, I'm I'm you know, like you, I challenge people, but if I did an interview with him, I do it like you, because when you interview Whitley, that's what you get, and that's his charm, that is him, and for me, he's kind of like in this almost fantasy world all the time. His brain is just always thinking about the what ifs and contemplating what if, what if this? Or what if that? And alternate realities, which is what makes him special
and why he's like a famous author. If you're going to get it's not really someplace where you're going to get to truth. I don't think it's not necessarily research, but it is really interesting what ifs. And I feel the same. I feel intrigued by what he has to say, and I don't feel compelled to challenge him so much. Well, you know what would happen if you challenged him click? He would hang up instantly if you do, I don't think so you don't because I feel like I have done it.
If you do it in a nice way, I mean, like you know, like we're good at you know, he'll answer, but it'll be an answer for a researcher that'll probably be unsatisfactory, but because he's happy to say, I don't know, just thinking, you know, just speculation, could be could be something totally different, even with his own experiences. Yeah, you're right. I mean there's ways of challenging someone, which I did at the very beginning, a soft way, and then there's a way you can,
you know, be abrupt about it. And that's that's when you're right. I mean, that's when I do think he would hang up on someone. See and people are our guys who are in here, A lot are agreeing with us that you know. I know, for instance, two people who have commented are Dirk and at Astra, and I know they feel like we do. They're good researchers, intelligence guys who want to get the answers. But they both say, no matter what you think of him, they're
interesting. He's an interesting interview. Dirk says he's interesting and friendly. At Astra says he's never not interesting, and he says, but I swear he has a bicamera mind. I don't think he's malicious or seeking to publicize himself. I think he just is that he doesn't have a filter so much, and he just kind of whatever is on his mind or whatever's going on out there he's sharing. Which I had just one more comment if I can.
I had someone from the retired gentleman from the Defense Defense Department that listens to the show Real Nice Guy, and he he basically commented, you know that if these visitors that Whitley talks about had all this information, then why why is any of the information behind the paywall on on Whitley's website. That type of thing like monetary shouldn't mean anything to any you know, any of these visitors. If that's that's the case, I don't you kind of get where
he's going with this. That's what I'm saying. You shouldn't have anything to do with money should happen. Yeah, be free, free information for all. That's not the way the world works. You can't get this information out, and you know, especially at this point, the reason that I'm going to completely disagree with that person is you can't get any news about anything.
And I'm sorry, UFO people. Obviously I'm very interested in this topic, but there's a lot more important things going on that are affecting people's lives, existential issues. This is not as existential an issue as many others that are going on right now where people's livelihoods or safety are directly threatened, and those
topics you've got to pay to get information on those topics to COVID. I mean New York Times, La Times, San Diego Tribune, the Easy Family, you know, speaking of some of the places I live, I'm sure it's the same where you live. News is no longer free because everybody's trying to figure out how to monetize it because traditional you know, ways have gone away, namely print. So so you got to pay for information. That's today's world. So I don't know, I don't I don't buy that as
an argument, to be honest. I think the aliens would know about resources and how it takes resources to create, and so I don't think that would be a factor. Well, yeah, it was interesting, and you know, as as in interviewing someone like that can always be interesting mm hmm. And I'm going to continue to In fact, Anthony from on Facebook says, keep doing what you guys are doing. Love the show. Unfortunately, it's time to earn that coin. So he's got to go to work to make
some money. Everybody's got to make money. You can't. That's the way. It's a capitalist country. And it's kind of funny because you know, people and I would gather at the risk of offending people that I don't mind defending at all, and that I kind of take some pleasure at offending.
Be honest. You know, it seems like the same people who complain I want stuff for free, I want stuff for free, are the same people who are like down with socialism, socialism is communism because they have no clue what they're talking about, you know, and this whole thing, well that's a socialist thing you're asking for. You want all this information for free? Well, how is that going to happen? How are we going to be able to do that? Is the government gonna subsidize us? Is that how
we're going to do it? How are we going to do that? That's not possible. You're not living in reality. And you and you saying people got to realize when you're asking for all this free stuff, and it does seem to be the people that ask for the most free stuff are the same people who don't want to pay for anything. It's very much also along the lines of what you're saying is if we were if we wean ourselves off of fossil fuel and go into renewable energy. It's really it's a tough it's a
tough transition. This has been a tough transition for for everybody. I mean, you and I here we are. You're in where are you? You're in Arizona this time, and I'm in the state of Maine, and here we are talking to anyone that wants to listen in the world right now and they can listen to it for free, you know, and because so many
things are we really are. I didn't think of that, but yeah, but you think you think of the transition from Okay, we we didn't have this technology not too long ago to be able to do any of this stuff, and you have to you know, it's it's a process getting through. You know, think about the music industry how much they had to it just and you were talking earlier about newspapers and everybody has to adjust to something new,
and it's not easy. It's not easy to do. Yeah, some comments people have made, you know, there should be a balance or exchange. That would be great. There's a lot of should bees. I think that that are good. Someone said we need a star Trek economy and AJ says you have to pay to get the word out, which is exactly right. So it costs authors money to publish, and it does. So if you want to self publish, like a lot of people are doing these days, and to be honest, I think that's the way to go, you've
got to pay quite a bit of money before. Even if you go with like Amazon, you got to pay for formatting, and you've got to get photos and there's all this stuff that needs to be done. So it does cost money to get that out. And of course, this tool we're we're using right now. You know, you and I both pay a monthly fee to use this streaming tool that we use. So everything costs money. So yeah, exactly the lights that we're using in everything. So, uh,
those are those points. But let's get to so yeah, in other words, we'll get off of Whitley. But just to defend Whitley putting stuff behind paywall, that's just the way the world. People and I know it's tough. It's just like we got to do a TV Do you want to watch Stranger Things? Do you want to watch Star Trek? If you want to watch both, and you're gonna have to pooning up the money to pay for CBS and Netflix, what can you do? What can you do? Yeah?
By the way, those are great shows. And then if you want to see Mandalorian, you got to get Disney. If you want to see Baby Yoda, who's freaking adorable. Love Baby Yoda. So you know, idea what you're talking about. But that sounds interesting, the Mandalorian. That's in fact, there's a new episode today, great show, excellently, it's winning all kinds of awards. You don't know about Mandalorian and Baby Yoda. Wow, No, I've watched like two things I've talked about this see uh
the My Octopus Teacher I love. That was great and then Queen's Gambit, And that's like the only two I watched anything UFO related at all. We watched Queen Queen's Gambit too, that was really good. Yeah, it's awesome. Oh my gosh, did you see oh so yeah, good stuff. In fact, honey, it looks like my honey's daughter just landed, so she's got to run to the airport. Where did the doggie go? Well, somebody is in the kitchen eating, and so he's of course paying very
close attention to the floor below her. I'm probably scavenging in there. He'll be here soon though, because she's got to go pick up her daughter from the airport. All right, So let's get into more news. At Astros's baby Yoda is the only good thing about the Mandalorian. No way, Mandalorian is pretty cool. Baby Yoda's awesome though, and it's it's wild you don't know about baby. But let's get some work. Yeah, UFO News of
the week. So it's something interesting, a couple things. So to introduce this topic, I first want to go back to this thing, the big news. So I interviewed James Fox for Phoenix Move on, uh, And I essentially I did it for Stacy, who may or may not be here. She may have already taken off. She just likes to come in and get it through when we say, hey, it's Stacy, and then she leaves. Apparently we'll see She'll talk to some crap here if she's still here.
Percard is awful. I loved Picard, Oh my gosh. So anyway, Uh then so I interviewed James Fox and he said, there's some big news coming and everybody's flipping out and it is so ridiculous and ten. This is why I'm so frustrated with the UFO community and why I don't like to even call myself part of the UFO community. And I'm so frustrated. And some of you may be in here, and I'm sorry if I'm talking about you, but na get hoff knuckleheads. You know, they take the smallest
thing. Look there's Karen, and they blow it up into something huge. They have no idea what James's news is, but all of a sudden, people are making videos that this is going to be a news that's going to change the world. You know, this happened people that have done that before. This happened with the New York Times article. Yeah, same guy doing the same thing. Yeah. People got so upset with me when I'm like,
dude, not going to happen, best case scenario. They will mention UFO crashes in this New York Times article coming out, and that's essentially all we got. And they mentioned a little more than I thought, but it wasn't this big or shattering news. Neither is is going to be. And
I think I know what it is, so go ahead. I just wanted to let you know that I just mentioned that the same person who has done this before with the New York Times article doing again and they put a hashtag your you know, openminds, dot tv and hashtag podcast UFO on okay here coms or something like that. I don't know if you caught that. I I might have noticed it, but probably did what I just did. Major eye roll, major eye roll. People, yas some eye rolls this session.
Yeah, I've been irolling like a mofo. Guys are going to roll out of my head. People have some discernment, do some analysis first. Yeah, somebody Uh Louise from the Unidentified Celebrity view. He says, it's quite silly. I sat on my channel to manage expectations. I watched that, Louise. Actually I was watching that earlier this morning. I was checking up on some of your videos and you're you know, these expectations get ridiculous.
Now you apparently feel like there's a lot of major disclosion going on. Talking to Louise, I wouldn't even go that far. I don't think that's the case at all. What we're seeing, which is really interesting, I think, is we're seeing a lot of the surface stuff. We're a lot of this. In other words, there's secrecy going on, and we're going to get into that. But at the same time, we're seeing a lot of the mechanizations that are happening. These interfaces with the DoD, the Senate
Intelligence Committee, the different agencies. We're seeing different people do different things, and those are extremely interesting to analyze and to figure out how things are working. And we kind of have this opportunity right now because we're seeing these interactions that normally we weren't privy to, and that's huge. Some of the people I would recommend that you guys follow Twitter. I think is a great tool, but follow Here are the people with real sources, real sources, deep
inside sources that are credible. Most, if not all, of the other people you're hearing from are full of it. They don't have good resources, They have anonymous weirdos maybe coming to them. I know you have that mark and I get this constantly. People claiming they're admirals, generals working with the aliens all kinds of crazy crackly on this week. Yeah, and some of the popular UFO researchers go wild with these. They're They're like, Oh,
I'm so special. I'm the only one that this alien admiral is talking to, So I've got the scoop on what's going on in the background. And that's most of the UFO community. The UFO community eats that up and they're like, Oh, did you hear that, Jeffrey Jones, I just made up that note name is talking to an admiral who's saying that this is happening or that is happening. Oh, we're just on the verge of disclosure. And this has been going on for decades, ever since I've been in this
field. This is the sort of thing. Don't fall for it, people. There's a long game here. We're playing the long game, and we're at a very pinnacle important part of that long game right now where you can actually get real information. Who are the people with real sources? Of course, Louise Elizondo and Chris Mellon of to the Stars. You're gonna share insiders
with friends who are insiders. They've got credible, reliable sources Now, sometimes people have great sources and they get credible information, but they don't interpret that information correctly or maybe differently than you would. For example, John Greenwald, he does an amazing job doing the deep dig, doing the work to get those FOYA documents. I don't necessarily always agree, although honestly mostly we do.
I don't always agree with his interpretations, and I share that with you all, But for the most part we do, and John and I do stay in touch, and we even still kind of go back and forth on some of this stuff. But MJ. Benias and Tim McMillan. MJ. I wouldn't say necessarily has any more sources than anyone else, but he's very
credible in the way he writes. He he has good sources, not deep insider sources, but he has good sources, and he's good at discernment figuring out where that great information is. What was the last one you mentioned? What was the last is? No? No after him? Tim McMillan. Tim McMillan, Okay, And this is a big key. So Danny Saleve I would say, has great resources. Definitely keep an eye on him as well. Nick Pope obviously worked in the government. He has great resources.
Keep an eye on him. These are great sources. That's what a journalist does is develop sources. Brian Bender, of course, is really plugged into the hill. Also Tyler Rogaway, great greatsider sources and great analysis. These are the people that you want to pay attention to and take when they say a source is telling me where I have this information coming from a source, take that information to heart. Their analysis you may disagree with, but for
the most part, all these people have great analysis as well. And of course App George Napp has some amazing sources. Again, I know not everybody agrees with George Knapp and his analysis of that information, but for the most part, where that information is coming from is good. And if the source is dubious, allah, Bob Lazare, if at least George and Apple will tell you what that source of information is and let you know if it's dubious.
He knows whether or not they're dubious. He may believe it, but at least he'll share with you it is a dubious source. So you have to take this with a grain assault or judge for yourself. Those are the really good sources. Speaking of which this is really crazy getting back to Tim mcmillion. So has Tim McMillan been vetted. I can say yes. I can tell you I've spent quite a bit of time talking with Tim McMillan. In fact, if you join the Rojas Reports, please do hit that joint
button. It's going to ask you for a couple of bucks. Do it now. I don't see it telling you. I'm sorry, Martin cut it out. Oh yeah, you have to be watching on YouTube. Sorry, Oh yeah, you have to be watching on YouTube joint. But I haven't at least one interview there. I've got a couple of interviews with Tim McMillan where you want to listen to him. I get shocked too, because sometimes he'll have inside information and I'll be like, what, how is he talking
to someone in the UAP Task Force? Or how's he talking to this person or that person? And I have gone to vet his sources, and even the people I talk to are like, I don't know where he gets his sources. He's got some amazing sources, and I have talked to him a little bit about where he gets his sources, and it's just because his wife works in a diplomatic sort of job and he's as a law enforcement person,
as a police officer, it opens a lot of doors. Friends like Chuck Zukowski when you pull that or my friend Mary Anne rob when you pull out that cop card, that opens up a lot of doors and a lot of people will talk to you. So Tim does have some amazing sources. I can tell you. I feel like I have vetted Tim thoroughly and his sources are good. And that's really important for right now. Because I told you I knew about the news that was upcoming. I believe, I know.
I didn't get this from Tim. I got this from my own sources. But I'm the mcgloughlin group. If you've ever watched that show, of course, the guy who used to run that show has passed away, and it used to be a very balanced show. Now he's got a lot of people on there. I'm not big fans of it, and I'm not, to
be honest, a big fan of Tom Rogan. He writes for what the Washington Examiner, which I think is a total I'm not a big fan, but anyway, he's the guy who wrote that article essentially accusing Stephen Greer of faking that Florida UFO event. And he is a mainstream journalist and on the at the end of the month Gloffling Group. If you've ever watched that show,
I haven't watched it since he died. I used to watch it a lot, but they do predictions at the end, and Tom Rogan at the end, you know, said I keep an eye on my friend Tim McMillan. He has a big story coming out. That's the big story. So yeah, he outed Tim McMillan. Tim McMillan is the guy that has this story that is going to be posting this story soon. Is it going to change the world? No? No, what the hell are you people thinking? Where do you get this from? You pull this out of your butt?
But I understand the stalhandra. Let me tell you when when you have something like this, like say something is coming out, it gets everyone's mind racing. And it's almost so much better if you never say a single thing about it, you know, and just come out with it when it's ready to come out with. You shouldn't lay it out there because it's like anything that can turn into a conspiracy. Yeah, but you know, sometimes it's stories. It's the hard part because the New York Times article, for example,
that everybody blew out of proportion. How did they get to know about it? It was it was largely from the New York Times interviewing people, and then those people being interviewing interviewed saying I was interviewed by some people with the New York Times. They're working on a story, and by simply saying that people blew it out of proportion. Yeah, and the people involved.
Just because someone's being interviewed by the New York Times that believes, you know, Roswell is real and there's an aliens that we recovered at Rosewell not that that was the case, but kind of you know, doesn't mean the New York Times it's going to cover that wild belief this person has because what they're going to want to and if they are, they're going to make fun of
it unless they can substantiate it somehow or have other witnesses. So I mean, you've got to understand the way the sausage is made essentially, which is it should be obvious to people, but I don't know, but yeah, people blow it out of proportion. So all I can say is another is Tim McMillan was outed. Essentially, he's the guy who's writing the story, so keep an eye on him. And just today, I don't know if you've seen this Martin, Tim McMillan, along with Micah Hanks and MJ.
Benias, who was just talking about. I've also had Michah Hanks on the show. I've been on his show. Love Michah Hanks. In fact, the opening and closed music or no, the opening, the opening and closed music to this show is made by his brother. They're both super talented musicians. Micah has this amazing radio voice. I love Micah. They're really cool. In fact, I've got some cool videos right here if you're on YouTube. I've got an interview with Michah Hanks at the Devil's Tower when we were
there for an event. But yeah, I love Michah. So they're all getting together to do this new thing called the Debrief. So they've got a new website. I want to look at it. Yeah, sure I can't. I'm on Tim McMillan's twitter, fe is, but I don't see anything. Prepared to be amazed. People, WHOA, that's all they got so far? Well, see you, I could make a conspiracy out of that alone. But essentially they say that they're going to cover science, technology,
and defense news. So that's pretty exciting. I love these guys and they're all really good, and I think this should be great. Now, is the story going to come out on this site? I hope not. And here's why I say that it would be good for them and it would be a good start. But I've got to say out of experience that it's really hard to get news out when you post it on your own website, especially a website that doesn't already have a lot of traffic. I have that issue,
you know, with my site. Sometimes we have some stories that go viral, but we really don't get much recognition until mainstream references are article and so that's a lot tough. Yeah, so it takes a while. Whereas those guys MJ and Tim specifically, I've been writing for like Vice Popular Mechanics, which of course both have large audiences, so I hope that they're able
to get their article in a larger venue like that. Although I've done this before too, where I've written my article for let's say, the Huffington Post, but then I refer to my own article at Open Minds because I write a longer article because typically most media outlets only want maybe a thousand words, you know, that's the new thing, eight hundred to one thousand words. You got to keep your stories super short, so you know, the longer
pieces have to go elsewhere. Right. So yeah, but oh, it's not clickbait though, Louise, I can tell you that I do know what the news is, and it is interesting news. But people are worth changing. I know a little bit about it. It's not earth changing, you know what. And somebody made this point. I don't know if it was
Louise. I think it was. Louise said something about how science news is boring and science is boring, and yeah, he said it in relation to this because saying, remember, James Fox is really into science and stuff, and science is boring. So just because James Fox says is exciting doesn't mean
it's going to be the stuff that I'm into. The stuff that we present on this show a lot of people feel is boring because I'm not talking about aliens and hangers and you know, zetter reticulans and what the Palladians are up to and who the Reptilians are having sex with or whatever. Well, we will behind the paywall, right, you have to pay to get that juicy stuff. But you know, so this sort of this is and this should
be a big red flag for a lot of people. I find the news exciting, So if I find it exciting, a lot of people are going to find it boring. I think it's going to be cool news that's going to help move the government. I see, I'm jessing my camera can It's going to help move the government stuff forward, which is really kind of what I'm focusing on, which is how is the government dealing with this? What do they know? How are they dealing with all of this? All of
that kind of stuff. So that's what the news is going to be more related to, which is pretty interesting, and that is the exciting part of it in my opinion from what I know at Astro see, that's why my audience rocks. I don't think. I don't. I don't know if your audience is why. I know your audience is good as good as mine. Doesn't get better than mine. But I mean, you're over there interviewing Whitley Streeber or whatever. But to che at Astros over here, Alejandro leaves the
dopamine addicts to their stupid stuff. We're all science buffs here as well. That's so awesome. Oh but Louise is saying that these people are looking for hits that are selling this as earth changing news. Probably Matthew Rudy is saying, knows about what. Well, you can't join us halfway in the conversation and expect you just joined. Yeah, you're gonna have to watch the rest of the show. But essentially we're talking about that big news. Matthew Dirk
says, you and I pretty much have the same audience. I think he's right, But yeah, it knows about what this earth shattering news is, so it's gonna be big news. It's interesting news. The story hasn't even come out. It might not come out. You know. When the New York Times we heard from the authors, they were really upset with the UFO community because they said, you guys screwed up our story. You got so
crazy about it and made it into something it wasn't that. You made some of our people back off who we interviewed, and you really screwed up our expectations and you screwed up our story. That's what the Times people said. Do you know, I don't know if you remember this. No Matthew, thanks for being arrogant. That wasn't being arrogant, was I? I was acheasing you because you showed up late, and then you wanted to know about what we're talking about. I was just kidding, Matthew got Maddie says,
he's unheard of feelings. Wow, sorry, Matthew, Kenny, do what we joke a little bit if you're if you still haven't wandered away, Matthew. We've joked here, Matthew. It's just kidding, Yeah, just kidding now. Oh. Yes, what I was going to say is, I don't know if you remember this, but I was in contact with both Ralph Blumenthal and Lesley Kane ahead and they kept denying no story here, nothing here.
And then finally I got this email from Leslie saying, I'm really sorry that I had to say that, but I had to say that, and yes, we do have a story, and then she went on to say, basically what you just said. That has been really, really difficult. And I had a conversation also with Ralph how difficult it has been that the UFO community decided to take it upon themselves to speculate and cause all kinds of trouble for them while they were trying to make this story Ironcloud as possible.
Mm hm, you know it. It was an issue. Joseph says, keep up the gate. Great work you just joined from Dallas. Thank you so much. Dirk says, Business Insider just went behind a paywall, Like we're talking about everybody's going behind paywall. So it's a little harder to read some of the stories that I was talking about. Yeah, I would say that, you know, some of the people I'm talking about I think have
written for Business Insider. Business Insider, though it's become just it's very tabloid ish, So I wouldn't trust Business Insider anyway unless it's a trustworthy author. So for instance, the Star in England, total tabloid piece of junk site, covers really terrible UFO news, if not just complete falsehoods. But Nick Pope writes for the Star some times, and his articles are excellent. In my humble opinion, Nick Pope, he was a guy who worked for the
UK government. He obviously has some incredible sources and I have never seen him be disingenuous or inaccurate in his information. Some people kind of argue different things, but I think they're being petty personally. So yeah, so those are that's some of the news regarding the big news. It's coming from Tim McMillan. Tim McMillan is starting a new website with a bunch of other great guys that are writing great stuff in this field who you can trust. So I'm
very excited for their website. Way to go guys, And that's actually Cooks too. So we'll bring mj on and Micah on soon. I'll do ro host reports with them very soon. In fact, next week. I didn't do one this week. I'm so sorry, but I'll do one next week. That's by the way. Next week is Thanksgiving. Uh oh, that's cruel. Cool. We'll still work on Thanksgiving. Ain't no thing, all right, maybe not on Turkey Day, but we'll do it, damn or
something. I'm around myself, not doing anything, so really, I'll probably be traveling Friday. I think we're gonna go back to California Friday, all right, but we'll see what happens. But i'll do that. Oh provided thank Oh it's Matthew or are you saying you're leaving? Matthew said something but I can't understand. He might be hating. He might be cool, but x chit show that doesn't sound good. Oh oh, Matthew, We're really sorry. It was just a joke. It's just a joke. What can
you do well? To be honest though, If Matthew can't take a joke like that audio smooth tratcho, what can you do? I just I mean, he's the one who came in halfway. Yeah, I want to be disrupt at our whole show. Actually, it's been kind of fun to talk about this. Helpe you stick around, Matthew. If not, what to godspeed? So and he's going to be the one missing out anyway. So let's see what else there was other stuff. Let's see for the week. Can I just bring you little questions? Do let us know? Yes?
Please? Well, I saw John Fogerty was in the news like crazy all of a sudden, But that interview he had about his UFO experience was a year old, and all of a sudden, did you notice that, All of a sudden, it's all over the news about John Fogerty talking about UFOs But that was something he did a year ago. The media, especially the Sun or the UK tabloids used to do this a lot, and they still do this sometimes where they dig up old cases. Often they're old debunked videos.
But you know, I did notice that they one video from Mexico resurface of an ORB kind of flying in a forest, and that's an interesting video. I never know where that video came from, but that was a really interesting one. Let's see. Jerk says, I was reading the guy you were talking about on military and defense. Oh, Tim McMillan. Maybe, yeah, maybe I should talk about Tim Moore because it seems like a lot of people don't know much about Tim McMillan, and he's great. I've interviewed
him a couple of times. Lieutenant Tim McMillan. Right, yeah, Lieutenant Tim McMillan, you're exactly correct. Well done, my friend, Well done. Yeah. A couple other things, you know. There's been some news also about how Jacques Valet has said in the Phenomena documentary that there was another group researching UFOs today, the Mystery Wire, which is ran by Kelly kla As. I'm mixing it all up, but essentially the network that George Knapp works for, isn't it Kelly. Yeah, I think you're right, and
for some reason, I keep thinking that's wrong. But anyway, he posted on the mystery why are something about the Bolander memo, which you know had told us about the uh that there was already another group. And I just wanted to remind people that I also have an article on this that I did recently and I'm gonna share that, so do check that out. I mean, when did I do this? July twentieth, so a little bit ago,
but decades of government UFO gas lighting exposed. And my point was that you know, when the they closed blue Book, and a little bit about blue Book, they told us the same thing the Bolander memo where it says, hey guys, this general is writing, even though we're closing blue Book, the important national security cases go somewhere else anyway, so it's no big deal. And I also went over how we've had these documents, government documents. I have a video about it too, showing that there are UFOs.
Now we have the Senate Marco Rubio talking about it, so kind of how they have been lying to us for years that they've had no interest, when in fact they have. And the Bolander memo when they closed Project blue Book, was the memo that told us this in the first place that someone else was looking at the good cases. So they really have been gaslighting us for decades and they're trying to do it again. And this is another piece of news that I wanted to read to you all, and this is something Brian
Bender found. So here's what he writes. I'm gonna read this tweet to you from Brian Bender. I think you'll find this interesting too, Martin. So, as part of my reporting, Brian Bender, who writes for Politico, has broken a ton of the stories. In fact, we gave him UFO researcher at the year at the UFO Congress. And if you're like, what why would they do that? Watch our video that shows you why we
did that. Because or look at my Chris Millen article about this whole plan to get this information out, you'll see that Brian Bender broke a ton of the big stories that led to where we're at right now. But anyways, he says, so, as part of my reporting, the Pentagon Public Affairs Office advise I send a list of written questions about the workings and plans of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena task Force that was established in August. So I did
here's what I got. No one is available for interview on the uapt F the UAP Task Force. To maintain operation security and to avoid disclosing information that may be useful to potential ad series, DoD does not discuss publicly the details of either the observations or the examination of reported incursions into our training ranges or designated airspace, including those incursions initially designated as UAP. That also includes any
details of the UAPTF and its activities unquote. Basically, the official position is there's nothing to see here that won't wash for long. Maybe it won't lash, who knows, We'll have to see. The point here being that, like I had talked about earlier and why this time point in time is important,
and this is really kind of going into factoring, you know. My how I am attacking this issue and I'm sure others and certainly in the way that we're attacking this issue at the Scientific Coalition for UAP Research is that at Apparently I think that John Greenwalk got a similar response. Roger Gassel from a Swedish and researcher, got a similar response. All indications are the UAP Task Force has no intention of being another Blue Book. Blue Book was a public
facing organization that shared information. UAP Task Force is saying, we what we do is classified. The results of what we do are classified. We're not telling you nothing. Well, I thought they. I thought there was at some point there there was a transparency, transparency aspect to this whole thing. No, well, the Senate Intelligence Committee asked for there to be transparency, and it was just a suggestion, but also just kind of I think,
and I should check myself because I feel like they said that. But they asked for the UAP report to be public facing. That there be a public facing report, so that will come. However, that report could be very surface, not very in depth, and I know that's what people like Chris Mellon and Louise Alexander are working on now, is to make sure that everyone's informed that there should be a very comprehensive report because there's a lot of information
out there to be had. So we'll see. But obviously the intonations we're getting here are that they do not intend to share information, that they do consider their their work classified. A couple of points to that. One is that Chris Mellon, when he suggested that the Senate make these inquiries did say that these this research is classified, so most likely any reports the Senate gets
will need to be classified reports. He like in my interview, said he was prized that the Senate said they wanted this public facing report, but happily surprised because he feels that there should be some transparency. But I think that's our goal right now. Certainly at the SEU, our goal is to advocate for the scientific investigation of this topic, which includes then the UAP Task Force
sharing information with the public. There should be a mechanism where when they come to a cold case, they find a case truly unidentified, like the Nimitz case, that they should at some point be able to share that data with the public and especially scientific organizations, so that we can as a group kind of like SETI figure out what the heck is this, what are the tic TACs, so we can get some of that data that they have because they're
sitting on data. They're sitting on radar data. If you all heard my interview with Robert Powell my late or the Rohast reports Ida, you guys can talk about this too, in that the radar data is better data than video or photos. Often in fact, in many ways, it's better because it shows us the physical object that was moving in the nature of its movement.
To Radar data is typically much better than photo or video data. Or when it comes to that video data, you know more information about the video data. So that's the sort of stuff that we need if we're really going to find out what's going on with this phenomena. So hopefully we can get that sort of thing. But I think it's really important to note UAP Task Force
is not planning on releasing anything. That means it's incumbent upon us to make noise and to make to be I like to say, patient and persistent in requesting that they give us information well and requesting putting it like, we need to demand that they give this information if that's what we want. And so is this this thing the whole purpose of this thing being set up is because of a possible threat situation? Is that? Is that correct? Yeah?
You know what, And this is an aspect that I didn't touch upon in my article that I think I'm going to write a new article about. Remember, Chris Mellon was the guy. He was He helped after nine to eleven to reorganize the intelligence agencies. Part of the problem with nine to eleven is that we had all of these intelligence agencies, but they weren't talking to each other and working together. Had they been doing that, perhaps we could have
avoided nine to eleven. So they created this coalition. You know that this this ability to centralize information and to share information. It's exactly what he's doing with UFOs. He's saying that, look, people are the Navy Air Force. There are groups that are looking into UFOs and have analyzed UAP incidents, but everything stovepiped. Air Force doesn't know what the Navy is doing. You
know, this group doesn't know what this group is doing. They're all not sharing information, so there is no cohesive you know, look at what this this issue, and that's specifically that's exactly what the Senate Intelligence Committee addressed. They said, there needs to be a central location so that where all of that information is shared so a better analysis can be made, and that was
what resulted in the creation of the UAP Task Force. So really Chris Mellen is applying that kind of nine to eleven model to the UAP issue, forcing trying to get to have the Senate Force a collection of this information. So that you know, they can research further to solve an important intelligence issue that thus far Chris Mellan and others believe has been a major intelligence failure by not
doing this up to this point. Yeah. Yeah, well, it is kind of amazing if you think about it, that we didn't have something in place where our intelligence agencies could work together. You know, I understand about you know, top secret things and they want to you know, need to know type of stuff, you know, that type of thing, but when it comes to anything like the nine to eleven, you know, for instance, you know, it's it's so hard to believe they weren't working together.
Just yeah, definitely, it's shocking mm hm. And it makes sense. I mean, we see that, and you know, people have criticized and I've actually had some conversation with Chris mellen lately via email, could because people have kind of criticized. Well, he says that he would had oversight of all the SAPs and that they're no UAP SAPs, and he told me he was surprised ATIP existed because he had not seen any projects specifically on this issue.
But then later on he goes on to say in the Senate Intelligence thing that there has been UAP research going on. Those seem to oppose each other. They don't. Here's why he said there are no SAP UAP projects. That seems to be exactly correct. And you've got to remember a tip was after he was in office looking for these projects. But there what he's saying and what has been borne out by researchers such as like Keith Basterfield or John
Greenwald or others. We haven't found any UAP specific organization. However, we have found agencies inside of the military that have looked at cases. So, in other words, these groups that are examining these UAP cases are groups that are set up for, like to look at foreign technology, the Foreign Technology Division or the Department of Technology or these other departments. Like in the Bolander memo it said, we already have procedures to look at these other cases.
He's exactly right. When we find an unidentified we send them to different scientific groups or different and intelligence groups that aren't set up for UAP. They're set up for, you know, looking at enemy or foreign technology or things like this. So these are it's research that have gone inside of different departments.
That's what he's talking about. And that there needs to be a UAP project where you know, all this information is coalesced, that is happening, all this research that's happening in all of these different agencies and departments and stuff. You know, a project here or project there, a that needs to be coalesced into this UAP task force, which is kind of what Aleszonda was trying to do on his own. I think with the A TIP group is that he's saying, Hey, Navy, I know you guys investigated this case.
What did you find out? Who looked at it? What departments? He's probably referred to different scientific research groups inside of the Navy that he works with. That's how this works. So that's why they're you know, that's why what Chris Mellen is saying is not he's not contradicting himself. He's just and I hope to get an interview where we could, you know, talk about this specifically to kind of flush this out further and you can get all of
this in his own words. But he's just saying that, you know, there weren't projects, there's but there's research and data out there, and we need to gather that data in a project. Now we have when the UAP
Task Force. To Brian's point, though, the UAP Task Force now is that central location, and that's who they're going to be, the people that we're going to eventually be, you know, really tackling to get this information out because they're coalescing this information, they're analyzing this information, and they're the ones who needed an attitude check. To be honest, they obviously have no intention and are fighting even talking to Politico about anything that they do. And
Brian's like, that's not going to wash. And I hope he's right because that means that all of us, the media and the public need to let them know, Yeah, that's not how this is going to work. Dudes. You're going to have to tell us something. And as that pressure mounts, especially as you know mainstream media organizations and hopefully scientific organizations. I mean, I really wanted to start to do this with SCU. Put pressure on
these organizations, then hopefully they'll bend to that pressure. And we also need to talk to our senators. Our senators put pressure too to say, hey,
that's not cool, we need answers. Well, couldn't this also in a way be a two way street as far as them utilizing you know, I know it's military, but beyond military, there's a lot of There can be a lot of opinions from say scientists that are with the SCU or reports from they could get information from eyewitness reports to move on or in other words, don't you think they could be reaching outside of into the civilian world or
are they going to just stay into the military aspect of this type of research. Do you think I think they're going to stay within the military. You know, speaking of Nick Pope and the UK in the early two thousands, decided, you know, we get more UAP requests for our FOYA than anything else, so now we're going to proactively release all of our UFO files and
batches. And they did that, and before they were even done, two thousand and eight came around and they said, because they had this UFO DEESK that Nick Pope worked at in the nineties, and they even had Nick Pope help them with messaging and letting the public know they were letting this information out in two thousand and eight, then they said, we're closing our doors where
we don't want to hear any more UFO reports. Go to your local officials for that we're done, and Nick Pope, you know, this is how he framed it. It would be absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible for them not to look at the issue anymore. They're certainly looking at the issue. They just don't feel they need the public's help anymore, which he felt was interesting. And I think that's how our military feels as well. And they've got a
good point in that move on. Data is nearly useless. It's eyewitness reports of which I would gather best case scenario. Ninety percent are worth something. Worst case and probably more accurately, ninety five if not more, are just worthless. They're misidentifications of mundane objects. So how do you find the good five percent? Really? Really hard to do. In fact, this is something else I talked to Robert Powell about before we move on. Move on.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't mean that so much. I meant in collaborating a report in particular, like to say, if there were witnesses to a certain case, wouldn't be helpful for them to if there was, actually if they knew there were witnesses, to go and get as much information as they can. I guess they feel well. And here's the thing is that those are only that's only anecdotal information, the real information, and this is what we need, and if I were them, I would throw out those
cases. Any you need at least expert witness. General public is typically not going to be expert witnesses. Rarely will they be, but at the very least you need expert witnesses. What else do you need? Telemetry? You need data, and they're the ones with the radar, they're the ones with the Fleer cameras. They're the ones with the equipment to get the scientific data
that you could actually do something with. That's why it's so important for civilian investigators and scientists in this to get access to that government data, because they've got the expensive equipment we paid for that is collecting this information, and that's the scientific data we need. Otherwise, all we can do is like what
Robert Pollapeter Reality and Kevin Kanuth did with the nimits information. They took the what we knew of the camera data but also coupled it with the expert witness testimony to figure out and estimate what might have been the speeds and characteristics of the object that ticktack that was seen. So I think that's why they hold very little value in that data that's achieved by the public. Now, projects like sky Hub though, and what Chris, what's our friend's name and Chris
O'Brien, But skyhub is another Chris, Yeah, sky hubbit. Actually it's headed mostly by Steve McDaniel and another group of people. But but you're right, Chris Cogswell is working on Chris Cogswell. But yeah, Chris O'Brien has also created something similar. Those are the type of things where you're getting hard data, video, other telemetry that you're able to to start to extrapulate things
with. So that's what we need, is that sort of thing. Then the government might start to get interested in that data because it's it's more than just witnesses, its actual telemetry gathered by sophisticated machines. A couple of questions, we'll kind of wrap things up. I think that's all the news that I wanted to talk about for the week, with some of the interesting things going on. But you know, this these this is where we are in
all of this. You know, this is the kind of stuff that we have to talk about and we need to consider, and this is actionable type of stuff. What I mean by that, this is where the ground, the the you know, rubber meets the road. This is where we can actually assert ourselves and into this conversation and effectively make change. And I think we can, you know, and I say that from experience in that you know, we have been able to turn heads by acting doing certain things.
And this is where we have some room. We need to get that information from the UAP Task Force, and we need to ask for it. Nobody is disclosing crap intentionally. I It's another thing that is a little bit frustrating when people take this assumption. And so many in the UFO field, even the more conservative, even some of you in here. I know, I've heard you say it. Believe that there's some sort of kind of information that is being pushed out purposely for us. And why is that frustrating to me?
I've detailed in my articles and in our interviews, We've detailed this. This information has been hard fought. These are people who have been working for decades to get information out and this is they've fought hard, they've strategized, they've been intelligent. If you read my article about Chris Mellon's plan, this is information that was drug out of the government. This isn't stuff that is free flowing. That statement that Brian Bender got from the UAP task Force is
evidence of that. They do not want to share anything. This has to be get drug out of them, and it takes people in the civilian world that are savvy enough to drag them out. It was Chris Mellen and Alexando coming out. Alexando is he doesn't call himself a whistleblower because he says he wasn't revealing anything that was classified, which is true, but he was revealing
information they didn't want out. They retaliated against him about this. This is hard fought people, This is very people have worked really hard to get this information out. So don't act. Don't get complacent and think that you know, this is just we're just sitting back watching this unveiling that is happening purposefully. This unveiling you're watching, we are watching. And that's what's frustrating because it doesn't recognize the hard work and the effort of the people that are getting
this information out. That's what's going on here. People not sitting back. You may be sitting back on your character. Oh look at government's giving me all this information on your boats. This is great, finally getting disclosure. No, dude, this is information out. A lot of people who have worked really hard are getting this information out to you. So respect their work
and respect what they're doing, and look at what they're doing. Look at what Chris Millan and Alizondo and some of these other people like Tim McMillan who are getting information out, Georgi Napp, Look what they're doing. And that's what we need to do, is we need to help them mirror what they're doing and pay attention to it and help advocate for this information to get out. That's what we need to do, is help these people are getting the
information out. Jack of Aage, just says Emory Smith. I'm not sure what you're talking about out there, but here's a good question and we'll see what you think. Martin, what do you think of the younger driest impact theory. Maybe it be that technology from over twelve thousand, eight hundred years before may have survived somewhere. No machines have been found yet building huge megalithic sites. And he's saying, how come obvious traces of giant saws, for
example, can be found on the block indicating machine builds. Check out uncharted x YouTube channel. I disagree with that, and so does Dirk this whole two things. First, I disagree that we are certain that these old megalithic things are machine builds. Do you? I mean, what do you think? I think it's really hard for us to wrap our head around the way
they've made some of these structures. But I think we oftentimes think that, you know, sure, it looks like it needs super technology, and you know, when you look at the fitting of stones and stuff like that, it is totally amazing. But it to me, it doesn't mean that there
has to be some what was this giant saw? Is that what? I Yeah, yeah, I don't know what the answer is, and I'm not going to say I have any idea what the answer is how they did the things they did, But it doesn't necessarily mean, in my opinion, that it had to be aliens or something. Yeah. I'm kind of with Dirk on this. You're saying the similar thing that we might not have been able to find out some of that stuff, that there are ways for these things
to happen. There could be technologies that are lost to us too, technologies that we use or methods that were used that we just don't know that we don't use anymore. Dirk is saying that there are methods that we still use that it could have produced some of those results. I agree with that. However, to the larger point about what about ancient technology. This is exciting because SETI has really been moving into this field, which I think is really
where we're going to find some common ground. Where they're now looking for what they call techno signatures. They're saying that, you know, we should be looking for artifacts because what if you know, something came and visited the moon twenty thousand, a million years ago, came and went that maybe we can find some evidence, you know, some techno signatures, some evidence of civilization's intelligent civilizations that have been around. Yeah, so that's really interesting. That's
a big area. Yeah. Well, there's no way to ever say, you know, I mean, for civilizations to line up. You know, it's the odds are we could have been visited, you know, ten million years ago, who knows? Great point A couple other questions here, why does lou never state his opinion on what UAPs are and what's behind the wheel. He shouldn't, I mean, I think it's great and it's highly disciplined of him not to share that. Remember, people, that's opinion and speculation.
Opinion and speculation is what we've been doing for the last few decades in the UFO field. We need to move away from that. We're getting more and more data where we can actually find these answers instead of just guessing. So Lou doesn't want to guess. Lou's point is we need to gather the data and follow the data, and I think that's what he needs' that's a great way to look at it. Follow the data, and you know,
because people will do that with me. Ko if I'm not sharing my opinion on certain things, I don't know, you know, and so why speculate and hear my opinion? And a lot of times I try to be disciplined and not create an opinion so I don't taint myself. Yeah, not a bad idea. I mean, does it? How do you feel about that? Like if you ask well what do you think and they say, well, I don't know following the data, do you get frustrated with that answer?
No? I mean I like to hear people's opinions if they have one, but I also don't want to hear from anyone that says they know something. Do you know what I mean? Like if they think they know the answer for something that involves what a UFO is, I don't think anyone really has a clue at this point. You know, the person who is asking about the pyramids too, he follows up and he says, I wasn't talking about aliens. The only aliens we know for sure is mankind. So he
was talking about ancient technologies perhaps, and why we haven't found those. And that's another great point. But I think that it lends towards Dirk's answer, which is if we haven't found these alleged giants machines, and maybe they don't exist, because we probably would have found them, David says. Check out Ryan Sprague's interview with James. James sings to think the news will be big, Well, again, it's a matter of perspective. For instance, when
for years or not. I wouldn't say years, but for months before the New York Times article in December twenty seventeen, I was writing about Tom DeLong and his conversations with insiders and how he was going to be breaking news, even when to the Stars started. A lot of people thought that news was crap. They didn't think it was interesting. I felt it was huge news, huge and it was, but a lot of people didn't feel that way. So James is going to think news is really big that others won't think
is big. James Fox thought it was really big news when he got Harry Reid to say, there's a lot of evidence. You haven't seen most of the UFO evidence, You've only seen the tip of the iceberg. I thought that was huge news, very huge news. And many other people in the UFO field will not think that's interesting at all. So it's a matter of perspective. And in fact, I would even say this new news, and I'll tell you this, this new news I think, and I would love
your opinion. Martin is along the along the lines of what Harry Reid said. Yeah, so I would put it that way. How did you feel about James Fox getting Harry Reid to say we've only seen the tip of the iceberg? Yeah? I thought it was a major statement. I thought so too. If you didn't think that was a major statement and you thought that was ho hum boring, then this news that is potentially going to come out you might think is whole I'm boring. I thought that was big news.
James thought the read thing was big news. That's a kind of way to meeter your expectations right now. Let's see the only thing I have to speculate is if I'm actually saying gas Mask. I think gas Mask is sane. I think that comment about self reflecting about his own sanity, demons of sanity, that he is the sane person. I agree, I agree. So I think that is all. Did you have anything else? I can't think of anything except we miss you, Matthew. We miss you Matthew already.
For Matthew, I forgot Matthew even existed. He's dead to me. Yeah, well, someone gave you a thumbs down. I wonder who that is. Oh he did. Matthew is not dead to me. He's welcome back at any time. But you got to get a better sense of humor if you're going to come back, if you're still going to be you know, get get that stick taken out and then come back and you'll have a good time and happy Thanksgiving everyone, and the happy Thanksgiving matt Yeah, but I
want to show you, guys one more. I did find one last thing to cover. You're going to especially love this, Martin. See that creature right there. Yeah, this is on in the SpaceX Dragon and that little creature there, this is a real photo from NASA. I watched the launch Saturday. That was awesome. Well that's baby Yoda right there. Oh, that's the baby Yoda. That's what you're talking about, Baby Yoda. Something on TV or something, and know that's what it was. Oh, baby
Yoda's in space. So he flew with SpaceX in the Dragon spacecraft to the International Space Space Station. That's where he is. Now. Baby Yoda's the most important news story of the week. Okay, and you don't even know who baby it is. Check out the Mandalorian. All right, yes, yeah, Coder, and I'm sorry if I said that wrong. Coder agrees, Brian agrees, Baby Yoda rocks. All right, Baby Yoda, now that you know who he is. Yeah, all right. So there is
our show for today. That was a fun show. There's alwaysn't something to talk about, I think, even if it feels like there's not a lot of news, you know, I know, I said just before the show started, I ain't got nothing, and we filled it up. Yeah, we did, so what do you got coming up? Let's before we leave that. I don't I already did my interviews with for this next week, but I'll be coming out as a podcast with Philip Mantle on young his book
on young people and you trying to get the young people interested. And then I did a show after that with David Clark and so from both from Britain. And then next week coming up on the first is Robert Powell again on a children's book he's written for the UFO in the UFO world, So that'll be fun. That's what I aeah interesting. Some people are correcting me. I keep calling him baby Yoda because I love to call it baby Yoda.
But I do realize as people are talking that the Star Wars nerds, of which I am one too, it is true, that's not actually baby Yoda Yoda. It's not Yoda at all. It's some other baby creature of the same type of Yoda, which we don't even know the name yet of the creature or the type of creature that he and Yoda are, So he's not really baby Yoda. Everybody just causing baby Yoda because he looks like Yoda and
he's a baby, and he's adorable. The show, they actually just refer to him as the child, but that's kind of boring, kind of weird. Even Baby Yoda is a lot more fun. All right, we'll go with it. So he's Baby Yoda to me until we find out otherwise. And he better have a cute name too. When we do come up with the name, it better not be like boring, you know, George or something. Yeah, yeah, George, little George. All right, all right, we go, so you yourself a wonderful weekend. Thank you so
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