Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I'm your host Alejandro Rojas, and my guest is nobody all bamma safe. In fact, well, we've got a couple of people in the chat here. Let's see. I have not been uh, this is a heads up. So I just got a text from Ben Hansen because he's got a new TV show called UFO Witness on the Discovery Channel. In fact, his co host is Mark O'Connell, who wrote the book on doctor j Allen Heinek, and it ought to be
a good show. Ben's awesome, he's a good buddy, and we're just coordinating that. In fact, that interview is going to be for Den of Geek up next week with Ben. But I'll have more and I'll do some updates, and why don't we do that. Let's do some updates. I wouldn't say that I necessarily that organized, you know today. In fact, look at Dirk is saying no warning on this one. I did give a little bit of a warning, but not much. You're right, and the
reason is it has been kind of it's just been a confusing mess. So let me get into that. First of all, Like with Doug ug Smith, who of course we do the we Is Doug Reading typically show every week, and we haven't done that in last month. He's got that shave company right, and I didn't use his razors this morning, as you can tell. And I'll talk about that too. But hello, Simone and Aunt and Texas and Stacy and everybody who's jumping in there. Good to see y'all.
Glad you can join us. In fact, I'm going to need your help. So I'm so happy that you guys are all getting in here because I'm not as organized as I should be, and there's so much UFO news that has gone on in the last four weeks. Please do put your questions in the chat if you're joining live, and I'll get to your questions as we
go along. And I want to be sure because a lot of people are curious about a lot of things going on, and you know, I didn't realize there were some things that I wasn't as excited about, just because there's a lot of false information going on out there too, but a lot of exciting and not so exciting. We'll get all into that. Yeah, mister Douglas Smith wasn't able to join us because he's so busy. He has that shave company and they go crazy during the holidays. Hello Christian and so and
Terry from Morgan. So he's been swamped, just crazy swamped Martin. Unfortunately, everybody send him some good juju. He may be watching or listening, I'm not sure, but he's not feeling good. So he's just starting yesterday, I guess. So he wasn't able to join either. But we'll have him next week and I'll definitely update you on Martin and how he's doing as I find out, so so stay tuned there too. But let's get into
it first. I want to talk about some of the things out there that I've been up to that you can enjoy, first of all being if you didn't see it for the holidays. Essentially, I have this lecture that I've created many years ago, based often an article I did in Open Minds magazine called UFOs and Religion. So how religions are dealing with the idea of aliens and etraterrestrials, what they think of it, like, is it okay? You know, if I'm Mormon, Is it okay? If I believe in
aliens? It is? And I go over all of this kind of thing in that lecture, and I also talk about how the belief in extraterrestrials is kind of spawning these new religions very similar to some of you might have read the book by Diana Posolka, and I know she got into some of that as well, which I think is really interesting. You know, we talk about kind of the Yungian context concepts and stuff like that around that topic. So that is a Rojas Reports that is still out. Oh and Stacy Wright,
she watched it. She said, that's one of my favorite lectures of yours. Thank you, Stacy. I know, I think it's really interesting. And you know, one idea and we live through this right now and we'll get into this a bit too, is that the ideas of extraterrest girls. You kind of talked about archetypes. There are kind of supernatural archetypes that we refer to and we kind of used to explain things that we don't understand,
but also where we believe that we receive information. You know, good things happen, weird things happen, and we don't know what to subscribe that to, you know, why that is happening. And a lot of people use religion to do that. But now extraterrest girls are kind of the new thing. You know. Georgiosukolos is kind of the meme that represents exactly what I'm talking about in that, you know, I don't well, I don't know what it is, and I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.
It's kind of our new bucket where we put the unknown and why things have happened. So I think that that's going to be something to watch as we go in these two directions. We go in the direction of legitimate research, in discovering what's going going on, which is happening out there at a pace that's unheard of. In fact, right now, I'm reading Avi Loeb's
book. He is the scientist that worked at Harvard who made all of this muck, you know, excitement about this object that came through Amuamua that turned out to be something interstellar and something strange that we can't understand, and he's convinced that it is extraterrestrial technology. We'll get into that in just a bit. I'm reading that book now. It's great. I don't think the book's out. I got a preview copy because i'm supposed to be interviewing him soon,
so that'll be an exciting Rojas reports coming out. But as we move from you know, science doing some research, and then of course the mythology side, the people who believe their hearing voices, people who are just kind of subscribing things to the extraterrestrial concept, or people are aligning, you know, the Hoaxter's and the Charlatans, but they create this whole belief system and you you know, and where do those intersect and what's going on? And
you know, it's just an interesting future. And as I review in that talk, that's not going away. If anything, all of this is going to grow more and more and more, and the idea of extraterrestrials will definitely be more part of everybody's lives, not just those of us who have been interested in this topic. And not only that. You know, who knows where the science and the research will go. Who knows what we'll discover.
I mean, for goodness sakes, it's Harvard astronomer saying, you know, bucking the entire academic academic field by saying this has got to be aliens. Why is he saying that we'll get into that in a minute. But right now we're reviewing some of this stuff out there. I also did an interview with Tony Harris, and I'm gonna get this if you haven't seen it. Some of our people who are in our chat sometimes are on the show, and I think they've got some great people on the show. Let's I'll describ
a picture. Now. Here's the History Channel site on it, and I want to show this to you. Let mess share my screen, gonna share the screen. This is miss Shama screen music. Boo boo. You like that. There we go, Here we go, so, there we go. There's a website on the History Channel for the show. Right now, there's a couple episodes you could see. I've been able to see three episodes. This is the guy I interviewed, Tony Harris. Like it says here,
he's an Emmy Award winning journalist and filmmaker. He's great. You know, I really like him for the show because he is a journalist, and you kind of get that sense from the show. In the show, you know, he's like really grilling people. And you've got researchers that we're familiar with, people like Mark D'Antonio, Chase Kletsky, you know who else is
on there, Tim McMillan, MJ. Benias. And if you don't know who these people are when I rattle off these names, they are people I've interviewed, even fairly recently, so you can find my interviews with these guys. But they're all researchers and very credible and great researchers in this field. And I think they're making some really good calls too. Uh. There's only one UFO video so far that they believe is legit, and I agree with
them. It's a really interesting one. So check that out there. UFO Witnesses on Discovery plus someone saying yeah, So my interview with Ben Hansen next week will be about his new show, UFO witness He's a host on that. He's a former FBI agent. He's been doing lots of paranormal television and about UFOs and stuff. He's a very good personal for and of mine and Karen's and his family, and I'm really excited for the show coming up. So I would say follow my Twitter, and in fact, this is going
to be our guide today. I just should never look. Now. Someone said something else to me, Oh, he's asking this is a controversial but I'll do it. Do you consider Stephen Grewer a credible source or authority on UFO's UAPs, I do well in a way. I do consider doctor Stephen
Greer an authority to some extent. Unfortunately, I wouldn't say follow him because his information these days has gotten really poor, to be quite honest, I think he's muddled a lot of stuff and now he's not so much as researcher as a marketer marketing his things and what he's up to himself, and a lot of accuracy has getten lost in the mix. So he's not a very accurate person, I would say, personally. But yeah, here's my YouTube and so or my Twitter, and we'll kind of be following this. So
I highly recommend you follow at least my Open Minds Twitter. In fact, I want to update you guys on this too. I don't do politics on this show so much. I do science. So if you consider the fact that global warming is a thing, or you know, COVID, if you consider those political, that's up to you. But they're science. Science doesn't care about politics. Science cares about truths and facts, and so this is
a science show. But I'm going to be doing a lot of my open mind stuff, including my UFO news, because I post a lot of UFO news here on my Twitter about what's going on. In fact, here's a picture of San Friedman that San Friedman's nephew posted recently of San Friedman doing a talk in nineteen seventy one. San Friedman and astrophysicists who lectured about this topic
for many years. A great friend, he's amazing. He really brought credibility to the field and carried this field for quite some time, serious research into it. Very sad that he passed away fairly recently, and you know we're all still reeling from that, I think. But yeah, so this is the kind of stuff you'll see. Although you're going to see more of this.
You're going to see more online of space and space policy. Maybe a little bit of politics, but not so much you know, deep deep, like you know, trying to be bipartisan, just more about you know, what's going on with space policy and those sort of things, especially with some of the news that we've gotten today. So you will probably see the percentage of UFO stuff on my Alohandro t Rojas Wane a bit, but I'll do more UFO news tweets on the Open Minds Twitter you can see here where we
have thousands and thousands and thousands of followers. Thank you guys for following. Just so you're aware. Depending on your interest, you know, you can follow whichever. If you saw last week I did post my political Twitter because I do have one. I won't even reference it or go there. If you want to know more about that, let me know, and I can
let you know, but I don't want to go there here. But yeah, I would say do follow the Twitter, and I'll be looking at my Twitter to remind me of what stories that we want to talk about today. So those are kind of some updates as far as the Roe host reports go, I will have some interviews coming up, hopefully Doug next week we'll be able to free himself up and do interviews with us today. More recent row host reports I want to do. Are you know Adam Kehoe who I interviewed
not too long ago. He's got a couple of excellent, excellent things out right now and I'm going to show you because I want you to read them, and if you read them, then when we do our interview, you will be able to be more familiar with his work and what he's talking about. If you don't read them, that's fine too, because we will summarize what's in his stories. But he's got two great stories recently that are really really important for the UFO field, I believe, and they are right here
analyzing the nearly lost Hatched database. So if you all are familiar, if you follow open Minds, very close to the we had David Marler. He's an excellent researcher. He's got one of the biggest databases of research information. And a couple of years ago he wrote for us at open Minds and piece about Larry Hatch, who is a researcher who unfortunately passed away and was little known even though he created this incredible database of over eighteen thousand cases. And
he's well known to UFO researchers. And that's what Adam is reviewing here. What's in those files? Who's read those files? And like you see here. When Jacques Vallet described the history of UFO data collection efforts to a French government group, he prominently mentioned a name that is purposely obscure even to UFO ufologists, Larry Hatch. So we go over that someone says, I love David Marler's brain. He does have a great brain. I haven't looked at
it physically. I would like to examine it one day, you know. I think science needs to take it and do that. But yeah, he's awesome, he's amazing. Of course we've had him on the show. I talked to him quite a bit because he's just one of my favorites. But that's a really great article. The other article that's really important, and in fact we will probably do two separate shows on one on each of these articles is what do the Russians know? What do the Russians know about UFOs?
What have they actually done when it comes to investigating UFOs? And remember what we're looking for our facts. There's a lot of rumors about what the Russians did or about the Russians, what the Russians know, But we're going to talk about what we can establish with documents and you know, what we can establish as fact around all of this. And Adamson, I think one of the best jobs I've seen on that in this article here, and we'll talk
about that. Christian bo Thompson says, ask George Napp, Well, we have asked George Napp and in fact, George Knapp plays very heavy into this article by Adam, and Adam references George App quite a bit because, as you probably know, Christian who mentioned that George Knapp actually went to Russia and retrieved some documents. However, he wasn't the only one to do that, and I think you'll be really surprised who else has done it and what they've
gotten. Hint, some of you remember the new show Primetime Popular news magazine. Yeah, really good stuff there, So we'll be looking at that. So we've got some great rojast reports coming up. You know, I haven't asked him yet, but I want to have Micah Thomas or Micah Hanks, you know I've had. There's a new great website called the Debrief. Let's look at that too. I like bringing these up again, all this great
work and letting you guys see it. Debrief This isn't briefs. If you're a guy looking to shop for new briefs, that's not what this is about. This is actually a new website that some of the people I interviewed quite a bit, Jay Benias and Tim McMillan have put together with others including Michah Hanks is also a primary to put this website together. As you can see here, they cover science, tech, space, defense, aerospace, lots
of cool stuff, and of course they also cover UFOs. We've talked about them lately, but I want to get Micah Hanks on the show the third person. I've already interviewed MJ and Tim recently, but Mike is great also. Of course I've interviewed Micah quite a bit, but I love the guy. It's always great to have him back. He's another great mind in this field. So we'll do that. So that's kind of thing you can see coming up in the Rojas reports. Okay, so there's some questions coming in.
Let's do this. First of all, mister Ramirez, you're asking do I know about Alfred O'Donnell? I do not. That name does not sound familiar. If you can enlightened me with some details, maybe that'll jog my memory. But there's a couple of questions here. That is what the guys who, let's see who bailed on TTSA are doing. So, yes, there's some people who left the TTSA. What do I think will come out of the UAPTF reports? Okay, So these are great questions and some of
the stuff that we want to talk about. So first of all, along these news I had talked about earlier on to follow my Twitter, and here's exactly why you want to do that, because if you are curious about the UFO news, I posted it here and on my own Mystery Wire. So we talked about George Napp a little bit ago. George Napp is a journalist out of Las Vegas, KLAS. He's been there for decades. He's won many, many awards, and he's into UFOs. In fact, he's one
of the really most prolific and best UFR researchers out there. I mean, he's a real investigative journalist and he takes that talent and that state of mind to the UFO field. He has also created and his network this thing called the Mystery Wire. I'm not sure if you guys are aware of it. The reason I say that is, look, five thousand followers, that's not
many. The Mystery Wire for some reason hasn't really taken off yet, and I think it's probably because they haven't really gotten it out there enough for people to know about it. But I would highly recommend it. They cover all kinds of different UFO stuff. Here's a post from Jeremy Corbel. Here's others talking about the story that I'm just about to talk to that they posted today, which is this report, and I won't play it here, but I
will show you their website so we can look at this. And this report is important and it's going to partially answer your question there, my friend, which is I would highly recommend that everybody watched this video. So there's a video here George Knapp put together about what's going on right now with the UAP Task Force, and it essentially is telling you what I've been telling you all for a little while now, which is that you know, this is where
it comes in. So with all this stuff happening at the Capitol and everything, I did post something that conspiracies can be dangerous and there's a difference between you know, unsubstantiated suspicion versus proof versus fact. We need to look for proof and fact. And this is less of a time where we need to rely on our suspicions and our assumptions in our gut on what might be because the conversation has been elevated now we have Marco Rubio. We have the Senate
Intelligence Committee looking at this, we have scientists and looking into this. We need to up our game and the time for wild speculation and mythology is over. You're just spinning your wheels when you're stuck in that. And I bring this up because, first of all, conspiracies can be dangerous, as we saw what happened with the Capital. You don't and what kills me is that a lot of people are demonizing people who have taken on careers that are very
selfless, that are very altruistic. A lot of our public servants go into that role, and law enforcement go into those roles because they believe in protecting people, or educating people, or working for people. When we come up with a lot of these conspiracy theories often and that's what we're doing, is demonizing these people. Whereas when we look at the facts and when you follow the string, a lot of times things are complicated and people are making the
best calls that they can for the right reasons. That's by far what I see the most is people making the best judgment they can make at the time for the information that they have at the time to do the right thing, not for money. And fame, because that's not a result of what happens with a lot of these Now there are corrupt people, it does happen,
and certainly that is a factor. But like when we take a look at General Raimi and the Roswell New Mexico case, he covered up potentially more than just the Moca balloon, this this top secret project, but he definitely covered up what happened there. He liked to the public about what happened there, presumably to cover up the Moca balloon top secret, or, of course, as many people believed, to cover up something even more mysterious. But these
are examples of people doing their job and doing the right thing. And you know what I've asked. I knew Jesse Marcel Junior very well, the son of the first intelligence officer who was on the scene, and he said his dad had no qualms about following orders. When they told them, we're going
to tell them this weather balloon is what we saw. He said, yes, sir, And he didn't question, he didn't have regret, he didn't He did what he was supposed to do because he was a good soldier and he knew that the decisions being made at the time were the right decisions being made. Of course, later on he shared that there was deception there because he felt as time went on, the public should know about these things. But you know, it's a lot of times it's people making the best decision
they can at the time. And you know what I'm getting around to is this whole idea disclosure. We're in the middle of disclosure, disclosures happening. It's this big, grand plan for disclosure. There's absolutely zero evidence of that, zero, my friends, none. I have investigated, among others, of course, but including George Napp, who we're talking about right here. Of course, we've investigated this to find how all of these things have come
about, and I've written stories. One of the stories I wrote more recently that you'll find on the front page of open Minds. On open Minds is how these intelligence insiders were able to get the Senate to pay attention with UFOs. That shows how they did it. This wasn't slow leak or slow drip.
This was people who are insiders who are interested in this topic, who have been fighting for in some cases decades to get information out, having an amount of success, and an amount of success that is substantial because now it's on the record. The military takes UFO seriously, and that is huge because that has resulted in the Senate taking them seriously and wanting to know more.
Behind the scenes, I know this personally, many scientists have come out of the work work and said, what, you know, they really believe this? Why do they believe this? Let's look into this because I'm interested too. A lot has gotten into the motion, but it's not this government disclosure type of stuff that a lot of the UFO community is confused at. And here's the evidence. The evidence is, like I'm saying, the UAP Task Force is not, you know, jump chomping at the bit to release information.
We've heard from the DoD that everything they look into is classified. What they're looking into is classified. They have no plans on releasing anything besides what the Senate has required, which is a report about UFOs and UAP. But this article that was just posted yesterday by George Knapp shows that the guy in charge of the UAP Task Force has been changed positions and that the rumors and what I've been sharing with you is the same that we are not hearing that
they really are going to take this seriously. That we're going to get a robust report about that's revealing things that are shocking or different. It's looking like they're going to cobble something together that will just appease the public, or at least appease the Senate regarding releasing this information. So people have asked everybody sits back and they're like, oh, yeah, it's disclosure time. Hey, disclosures happening to everybody, and we can just sit here and tweet and play
on our computer and everything's going to happen for us. No, if you really want the disclosure you're talking about, if you really want these reports to be more robust, we have to tell the public. We are our politicians, we care. We have to tell the Senate don't let them get away with just some piddly junk. We want, you know, some robust UH research going on here. We have to tell UH the U I P task for US and the d O D. We have to make our voices hurt.
They've got to understand that there are people in the public that want that information, and that's not what they understand. What they think now, is there some UFO goofballs out there who want some more information and they're not, you know, that excited about appeasing that group. So until there is this outcry and untill there is a lot of people asking for this, it's not going to happen. They're closing doors, they're they're wrapping it up. Somebody
asked, so, what are the guys that left TTSA doing. Those two guys are Lou Alexander or Lou Elizondo, who used to work for the Pentagon doing this UFO investigation under the Program a TIP, which was a precursor to the UAP Task Force, And Chris Mellen, who also worked in intelligence. He worked for the Senate Intelligence Committee and essentially managing black projects and handling overside
of black projects. So someone who's definitely in the know what they're doing right now is they're in the background, and they're out there talking to their contacts. They're talking to the people in the military, they're talking to those politicians, and there are lobbyists essentially out there right now trying to make sure that the UAP Task Force is doing what they need to do, and they're fighting
a losing battle. They're two small voices in a whole world an environment, and they're not alone there are other people that are on their side that we don't even know about, who are in the do O D helping them as well, trying and say, hey, look, we're interested. We need these to be real investigations, we need real research, we need more resources to do all of this. But that's what they're doing for people who are
asking, That's what they're up to right now. They are trying to make sure that this investigation is more robust, and all the indications are is that you know, they're being met with resistant and that we might not be too happy those of us who want more information with the results that are forthcoming. So there you go. Lou knows the people in the EUA PTF. He certainly does some of them. He knows very well. Have we found out why they left TTSA. The way Lou put it is that he kind of
implied that to the stars. This company started by Tom DeLong the Rocks their former Blink one eighty two, which Chris and Lou went to go work with try to get more UFO information out. It's definitely served as a vehicle to get more attention to the topic, which helped them in the steps that they've met made in the last few years. But I would say that it seems as though that to the Stars is really going. It's heavily focused on entertainment,
and that that's what their focus is going to be. And before we judge, you know, it's very expensive. It's one of the problems we ran into with Open Minds. Open Minds used to have a staff, We used to have more going on. Now it's just a kind of a hobby of mine. I've inherited some of this stuff and I do what I can, but it costs money to do all of this stuff, and there's not
much money in this field. Contrary to what some people have said, there are some people out there like Stephen Greer, who I mentioned earlier, who's charging thousands and thousands of dollars to take people out to look at planes and pretend they're UFOs. I'm sorry that happens, you know. And there are others that are other Charlatans who are out there fleecing people for lots of money.
And I would warn people. You know, people complain about me asking for a couple bucks a month to see some of my Rojas Report archives. These people are charging thousands of dollars if people are charging hundreds or thousands of dollars for anything going on. That is especially, as I would say, you know, be wary because that those are the type of people who are
making a living. They've got to come up with more and exciting news to keep you spending your money, right, so I would be cautious of those type of things. And so my point being that you have to make money. And right now with to the Stars, their entertainment projects are really getting off the ground. Movies and TV shows that Tom has worked on developing. Those are going to bring in money for to the Stars. We'll see what
Tom does that. And you know, but Lou, and the reason I say this is Lou did say Chris and Steve, Steve Justice, the aerospace guy that was also part of the team. He said, Chris and Steve and I are not entertainers. Intelligence isn't our thing. That's why we're leaving. So now they've left, I know behind the scenes, they're you know, they're not professionally, they're not getting paid for this. But now they're lobbying for us, and which is a great thing. So definitely keep an
eye Lou. Alex Alessandro now has a public Twitter, so does Chris Mellen. I would say, keep a very close eye on it, keep a close eye on mine, and I'll definitely, of course share with you any developments that come across on their end as they come. But that's what they're up to, and that's what's going on with the UAP task for us. Like I've told people who keep saying, oh, disclosures around the corner, here's the proof. They've been saying that ever since the New York Time Mars
article, and we have seen more and more. But typically the UFO community has been very unimpressed with what's come out. Whereas the people I converse with more and like more. I shouldn't say that I like to work with more. I should say, are the scientists, the credible mainstream journalists that sort
of thing. They're amazed. I mean, they're thinking, Wow, there's more information than I could have ever imagined coming out right now, and as we know, there will be more and their minds will continue to get blown. But you know, we've got people coming from two totally different perspectives, and the people from the perspective of there's nothing to this are getting blown away to find all this credible stuff that is out there too bad. They weren't
listening to us before. Whereas the people are like, hey, you know, why aren't they telling us about Zeta reticulans are disappointed because as far as I know and what I've seen, there's no evidence for Zeta reticulans or any of that. So that's why they're not going to get into some of that stuff. So yeah, some of you, a lot of you get it. You know you're saying there in the chat that you know you have all these people saying all this stuff. But Brian has said, I saw the
UFO Witness three episodes, good show, many questions. Great. So I'll be interviewing Ben for danniv Geek next week and I'll have them on the Rojas Reports also at some point here too, to talk about a show. I've got five episodes. I haven't watched any but that's that's my goal for this weekend to watch Ben's show, all of the five episodes, and also finish my book on Abby Lobe. So let's talk about this. This is some
of the other news that's been out there. Is everybody talking about this, Harvard's scientists coming out with this book because he believes this object that came in
and left, you know, called omuamua was extraterrestrial. And this is really really interesting because somebody asked, what's the biggest news on the UAP frontline, I would say this is the biggest news right now that we have this legitimate, highly respected scientist who believes that we had a visitor, an object cruised through close to the Sun, cruise through our solar system from somewhere else outside of our solar system for the first time ever that we've recorded it, and
he believes it to be some creation manufactured by an extraterrestrial civilization. I'm reading the book now. He's very convinced, and I have a great lecture on how and why scientists believe Oma muamoa are is mysterious. In fact, Stacy Wright, who was on in the chat, thank you Stace, she runs Phoenix moof on the Arizona moufon chapter and she invited a local astronomer to talk
about this, and then she allowed me to post that right here. If you're watching on YouTube, I've got that posted right here on YouTube, so check it out. It's free. It's down there. You'll see it's about omuamua and this scientist talking about it, because what's weird about this thing is that, first of all, it's very small, relatively small, they think maybe about one hundred yards wide or long by maybe ten yards wide. Very
odd shape. Typically you know, asteroids and comets are round or somewhat round and weird shaped, but mostly round dish but not cigar shaped, which is kind of strange. They don't know that it's cigar shaped or dish shaped. In fact, avvy Lobe is arguing that it could be more flattened dish shaped than we know. But as this thing was leaving and accelerating away, it had a very slight deviation in its path, and that is unusual, that
should not happen. It's almost like if you threw a football through the air, the football is going to move in a straight line unless some force acts upon it. That could be the wind or you know, when you're with your buddies and you're screwing around. This is something guys do a lot of time. You know, you throw a ball at that ball that someone's going to catch it can knock it out of the way because you're being here, which you know, young guys would like to be here and screw with each
other, or but it's going to move straight if you've got to. If you've got there's no win. And your buddy throws you a football and it's coming at you, and all of a sudden, for no reason, it goes like this, What the heck? You're going to wonder? What did that? Is my buddy telepathic? What's going on here? I mean, now that's pk. It's that telekinesis. Someone can tell me is he moving it with his mind? What's going on here? So you know that's what
they witness, and they don't know why it deviated from its course. Some people said it was struck. Another was that perhaps it uh spewed some gases. So, for example, a comet is full of ice and comments when they get close to the sun, you know that ice will melt and start to evaporate. And if there's pockets on this comment, you know that that steam streaming out of the comment will push it to go sh and it'll start to tumble or turn, but in a very uh you know, uncontrolled,
herky jerky way. I think he even uses that term. This thing didn't do that. This thing moved and as it moved from the Sun. Its change, of course was uh, seemed to be influenced by the Sun. But how or why they don't know. But because of that major mystery what caused it to move, it seemed to move on its own. Really, that's kind of the root. There's also other mysterious things. They don't know what material it could have been made out of. It is actually super reflective,
extremely reflective. And here's the other thing. Uh. Some of you may remember who are open minds follower that this this Uri Milner, a rich Russian guy, created this program called Breakthrough, and his idea was to send messages to aliens to do more SETI work, search for extraterrestrial intelligence and listening for aliens in different ways. He's really into extraterrestrial intelligence and finding it,
just like SETI is. Uh. But he also wanted to build spacecraft that we could send to Alpha Centauri, the nearest next solar system, and send messages and pictures back. But he wanted to happen in his lifetime, so he tasked Avi Lobe to come up with a system. AVI did come up with an idea, and this idea is a solar solar sale. In fact, I think in Star Trek that was the first craft that we sent out that caused the Vulcans to come in first contact, to come and say hey,
humans, now that you're interstellar, we can come say hi. But what this is essentially is something like this my sticking out here with a It's just a very thin, even similar in shape piece of material that the sun can hit and it will push it along, or we shoot a laser at it and a laser pushes it along. And then the very middle they have a tiny little because it has to be extremely light in order for the light to push this to get to one fifths the speed of light is what they're
attempting. But right in the very middle they have a tiny little microchip and on that microchip is you know, an ability to take photos and gather information and send that information back to us. So that's what they want to do,
and that's what they're working on. That's called breakthrough starshot. So Avi Lobe already had worked on and done a lot of study of the solar sale concept and that's why he believes this thing, although it was tumbling, this thing that came through Omuamua was something like that and it moved of its own volition when it changed course. Now he does think and this is really interesting too. So recently for I can't remember what show, sorry, I think
it was a History Channel show, an Unsolved show. It's the one with Morgan Freeman. They're doing some shows on Roswell and so I interviewed and I've talked to her many times, Jesse Missel's granddaughter, Denise Marcel. We were talking about that earlier. It was her grandfather was the first one on site in Roswell. I brought up how her father never said anything about alien bodies. This idea of alien bodies didn't come out until Roswell was famous in the
late eighties. It started really picking up. Stephen Roswell was around the world starting to become extremely popular. Then people come out of the word word claiming there were aliens involved with the whole thing. I've got an article on den of Geek where I talked about how Roswell got its alien you know, reputation, and I told Denie, you know, your dad never said anything about aliens, and she said, that's right. My dad never ever said anything
about as he knew nothing about aliens. And in fact, Her belief is that perhaps what if Roswell was space junk, alien space junk, just like we've got our voyager probes that have gone way out there. You know, at some point they may run across, you know, thousands and thousands of years from now, they may run across the planet and crash on a planet, and maybe that's what the Roswell craft is. She thinks, well,
that's exactly what Avi Lobe thinks a muamua might have been. It could be space junk, it could be alien space junk that has come from there and you know, went through our Solar system. Another interesting thing I find is that a muamua was the first object we've ever recorded that came from outside of our Solar system. Because for the most part, you know, you've got the Sun here. Sun has a lot of gravity, and everything we see
is all this mass that is around the Sun floating around it. Even the things the comets and steph asteroids, they may go way out, but they'll come back around and then get flung out again and they keep coming, so we rarely see them because they're in this weird orbits around the Sun. So it's very rare, rare because in the vastness of space. You know, it's I think four light years away is the closest next solar system, so
there's just nothing in between. So it's it's incredibly coincidental too that this thing, this small, tiny thing, comes straight at our Sun, whips around it, and then leaves the Solar System. But as rare as that is, it was only a few weeks after that event that another object came through our Solar system, however, another interstellar the second interstellar object we've ever recorded. But that one was more common and asteroid like. It was not as
mysterious as Muamua amumu as a mystery. So to have a scientist out there saying we got more alien or this is definitely evidence of aliens, I think it's pretty incredible. First witness Rodriguo is reminding me, Thank you, Rodrigo. That is the show that I had, the Rosewell episodes. Laurence Fishburne is the guy who is the host of that one. Morgan Freeman's a host of a different show. I think that one's on National Geographic, which is
also a great show. So yeah, so a lot of interesting things there. Let's see, I'm going to try to answer some more of your questions that I haven't gone to bu bu boo boo booooo. But I gotta say, and this is one thing I gotta say, is my even though the UAP Task Force, this is why having a more realistic idea about what's going on is helpful. I never put my hopes on, you know, any
major crazy disclosure. As you all know, what's been happening is along the lines of what I've been saying is probably going to happen because it makes the most sense from what I know and from what I'm hearing from my friends on the inside, and so that is coming about the way it is. I'm not as disappointed. I'm concerned. I would, of course like a more robust investigation inside the military, but that investigation is his top secret. It's
classified. I won't get that information. But you know, I'm working with friends, especially at the Scientific Coalition or the Coalition Scientific Coalition for u IP Research a s CEU. I'm working with them every day right now. I've been doing a lot of that lately too. But you know what, we're working on some exciting stuff too, So we're not letting what has happened go
to waste. We are capitalizing on the fact that scientists are coming out of the word work and interested in this, and what we're trying to do is coalesce those scientists, get those people together, give them a place, credible place where they can talk amongst each other, and then also come up with projects where we can look at and examine some of this information to figure out how do we get more data, how do we do more science around this
to move forward, And certainly part of that will be advocating for the release of more data, because as I've outlined it, I think there's three areas where we get data from academia, from the government, or from citizens science
from doing our own stuff. We've got projects on all three fronts, and that we're engaging government, we're engaging academia, hopefully we'll get data or projects started there at least at first we can engage, and then third wee we've got our own projects where we're gathering data also, and some of the data that we work with is government, because you do have things like Project blue
Book that did have some data. All right, I don't see any other questions right now, so I think we will start to wrap it up count Dooku in Star Wars used as solar sale. Oh yeah, good point. My cousin Jason Cordova, he is awesome, one of my favorite people on the planet. My good cousin, my good buddy, Jason Cordova. Also you know, has had this crypto crypto science. Tell me, I forget,
tell me what the website is too. He's got this group where they look into paranormal stuff in Colorado. Professor Loeb was very very supportive of data collection on UFOs and Lex Friedman's show. Rodrigo says, that's good to know. Will the UAP Task Force be the new Project blue Book? No in that, and it's a great question. And I think the differences between Project blue Book and the UAP Task Force are very important. Project blue Book was
a public facing organization, so Project blue Book was. There were a lot happening in the fifties, and I highly highly maybe one of the, if not the most important book in this field is written by Colonel Rupelt, which is his report on UFOs. Essentially he started Project blue Book. Project blue Book, however, was the third project didn't start till the fifties mid fifties.
Whereat there had been projects going on since the late forties. But he reviews those other projects how they started, his experience in Project blue Book and what they had discovered and the ins and out which are fascinating. But Project blue Book was public facing. It was created for the public because of a lot of UFO sidings, very credible UFO sidings that the public was very excited about and essentially insisting that the Air Force do something about it. So Project
blue Book was a pr thing. It was very they were taking cases, they were trying their best to investigate them in some cases, but it wasn't anything the military really cared about or took that seriously. It was very public, it was very surface, and when Project blue Book ended, we have
these memos that said, hey, don't no big deal. We have projects where the most important things go to anyway, they go somewhere else outside of Project blue Book, So it doesn't matter if we don't have Project blue Book. The UAP Task Force is more like that group, that secret group we didn't hear about. The reason it's been created is because lou Elizondo and Chris
Mellen came out. They outed that the Pentagon was looking into this sort of thing, and so that created this, you know, these questions and this push, especially with the Navy coming out and saying they take it seriously, and the Senate saying, hey, well, if you're taking this seriously,
what are you doing. And Chris Mellan, you may know he in nine to eleven he was involved with having all the intelligence agencies start to work together more and have one kind of oversight of the information so they would know what the terrorists were doing instead of all this stuff being stovepipes and all these intelligence agencies having information but not sharing it. And then on nine to eleven happens
because they weren't talking to each other. He tried to create a group, the UAP Task Force, or force the military into doing this or and they did to collect that information, but they are secret. They're remaining top secret, their secret that everything they're doing is classified. And so this is classified and not public facing. And that's the big difference. They have no desire to share with the public what they're doing, and it's upon us to change
that. And I can tell you SCU and myself and others will be coming at them a lot to say, look, you've got to share with the public. There's got to be some sort of public interface here on this topic, and so that's what we'll have to do. So I'm gonna wrap this up. I've got to go, but thank you all so much for watching. Be sure to pay attention. I'll have more shows on next week. Like I said, I've got these interviews coming up. Go check out my
interview with Tony Harris. Please, it's really great. You can see it on my Twitter or or I did share it on Facebook. If not, I'll do that, but I'll also put my link here. But thank you all. Oh what do I think about the dog movie, the phenomenon and read statement. I don't know what you're you mean about the read statement. There hasn't really been Oh, I wrote stories. I mean that's in my article Christian. Sorry, we have already talked about that in previous episodes.
I'd watch those, but also go to Open Minds at TV and read my article about the the intelligence guys getting the Senate to take a attention because I do read. Also talk about those statements read statements and others. They are interesting. We can talk about that more next episode two, especially if some news comes out related to it. But thank you all so much for listening
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