Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. We are your UFO news authority. This is
Alejandro Rojas and we have another wonderful show. This is probably the guest that we've had returned the most, probably because she's one of my favorite in the world, and she's a great when it comes to rigorous scientific study and one of the most exciting topics out there, which is crop circles, and in fact they found some surprising results in the two thousand nine crop circle season. There is a season if you're unaware of that, that's usually in the summers.
That's where in England, in the Glastonbury area that they have all of these crop circles happen. So it's incredible stuff and she pays attention. Of course, everything going on and as much as possible gets people to go out there and do some scientific investigation. And she'll explain that a little more in a couple minutes here. But they did find some incredible results, so this
is really exciting because there's some really cool stuff there. Of course, we're on our new times here at Monday nine pm, and remember you can watch us live at openminds dot tv if you go to the radio page. We have some video up there in a chat room there, and we're also on blog talks, so you can come chat with us and ask us questions live. One of our chatters has their brand new Stacy Adams shoes on and so
that's really exciting. I need some new shoes myself in our mess. Other news I want to tell you about is that we will be at Vision Quest bookstore and two two two five North Scottsdale Road, and we being the editorial and research staff of Open Minds. That's May twenty eighth, and then just what a week from Friday, so that'll be that's just this Friday. Actually, whoa time is flying already the end of ma so that'll be a lot
of fun. If you're close in the area, let's say California, Colorado, Nevada, you can come out, drive out and check us out there or including you can also come and see us in Roswell on the first weekend of July. The July fourth weekend, from the first to the fourth, Roswell has a big party at festival to commemorate the anniversary of the crash in Roswell. Of course, the famous UFO crash, not the television show which I never saw, but I'm sure Jason really because he likes this kind of
high school teeny bopper movie. So we'll ask him in just a minute. Jason being our news correspondent, and why don't we go to Jason Now? Every week we covered the latest UFO news and what's in the headlines, and we have our news correspondent, Jason McClellan here to share with us. Hilhandra, Hello, Hello Phoenix, Them, Hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday, May twenty fourth, twenty ten. In the news last week, unidentified rings in the sky just east of Brisbane, Australia,
caused a stir early last week. The mysterious halos were thought to be UFOs by many onlookers. Metropolitan newspapers were even speculating that the rings were visiting UFOs. However, these rings turned out to be smoke rings caused by demonstrations at the Emogali Air and Land Spectacular. The Air and Land Spectacular featured fiery explosions and simulated trench warfare. The smoke rings were still unusual, though,
and the events pyrotechnicians that he had never seen anything like it. The combination of pyrotechnics and unusual atmospheric conditions were used to explain the rings in the sky. Yeah, you know, when we find conventional answers to some of these things, it's kind of a bummer. But I should mention, you know, the Canadian one too. Today there were these spirals that were supposedly over Canada. Turned out to be a weatherman who was hoaxing other weather people.
So it was all a big hope. Sorry, I'll let you guys down, but I figured let's get the bad news in first for people before we get to the cool stuff. And he wasn't a Canadian weather man. He was from southern California, So why he was picking on Canada? I notice that, Yeah, southern California. Canadians are nice people too. I agree, they're just like, well, why would you lie to us? It's
unfortunate. Yeah. In other news, eight British students were stunned last week when they saw twenty five orange lights in the sky above Inverness, in the northern part of UK. The students were celebrating the conclusion of their university courses when they saw twenty five bright lights moving across the sky. The lights were
all equally spaced and moving in a straight line. The witness has stated that two of the lights nearly collided at one point, but quickly changed directions to avoid contact, and one of the one or two of the women said they were positive that these things weren't Chinese lanterns. And I guess based on movement like that, that's pretty clear they couldn't be. And these were recent graduates,
so well educated people. Possibly that's not always the case, but well, I think you remember the most of what you learned in school right at that point, and now that they'll kind of go down just the slope, the downward spiral of knowledge. But these lights were cool, you know, twenty five of them, all in a line, equally spaced. Yeah, that's weird. And they are moving quickly too. And what's exciting about that is if there's part of some huge, larger device, which is always possible
because some of these people. See my uncle even had seen something he thought maybe was at least football size, and of course out here in Phoenix, including you, many people saw this an entire huge ship out here. Oh absolutely, yeah, let's see another European news. Let's stay in the UK. In the UK. In recent months, we've talked about this many times before, but documents were released from Britain's Ministry of Defense declassified UFO files.
More than six thousand pages were released. Included in these pages is a file dating back to nineteen fifty two that shows then British Prime Minister Winston Churchill requesting a briefing on UFOs. Another interesting thing found in the files was how the shape of reported flying saucers has changed over the years, and a big deal has been made about this, and some speculate that could be because people have
been influenced by sci fi movies and things we see on TV. So we then and take that and portray it and what we're seeing in the sky and think, oh, well, I'm seeing that. I don't find it that difficult to believe. I mean, look at cars back in nineteen fifty and
look at cars now. Technology changes so clearly. Well, I would hope and speculate that UFOs and extraterrestrials they're talking about technology changes over the years as well, so their ships would change shape, or it could be different civilizations exactly as well, with different technologies. For instance, silver discs have been seen ever since the phenomenon was big, you know, back in the forties. That's what they began to see. And that was prior to the movies
having silver discs. They started that in like nineteen fifty I think was the first movie to have silver discs. But that's because that's what people were reporting, and people still see those, so some stay consistent, right, And what are the odd more odd to me shapes of crafts was the cigar craft that seems to be pretty popular now. Yeah, big like Dune. They have those giant ship cylinder ships and yeah, a lot of people see those.
In other European news, it seems that Russia. Russian media has been reporting more and more about UFOs seen in Moscow Skies from the widely discussed halo cloud witness back in October to more recent triangles and floating pyramids. Russia has certainly become a hotspot for sightings, and just two weeks ago we reported on a Russian governor who came forward claiming that he had had meetings with extraterrestrials and had been aboard their ships. There seems to be a lot going on in
Russia right now. Yeah, Russia's I think that's why they wrote that story in Pravda, which is a big paper out there, so they obviously had are interested as well. There's a big buzz about it, and now you know, with this Russian governor's story, people looking into that story and wanting the Russian president to get involved in looking into UFO stories. Yeah. One unfortunate thing though that we received recently was about a year ago people were saying
that the Russian Navy was going to release UFO files. But as specialist in that, Paul Stonehill recently said that that actually probably wasn't going to happen, that those were unsubstantiated claims, and they had in when they said this,
shown a couple navy files which actually were released. They were given by like admirals to researchers, so it seems like they're legitimate files of just sightings of UFOs coming out of water just but I mean, those are amazing events, but that they weren't part of what people were hoping was a regular, you know, release of file. So Russia you cannot list yet as one of the countries releasing files unfortunately. But there's still a lot of exciting things coming
out of Russia, yep, like these UFO sightings exactly. And in Europe in general, I mean there are a lot of great, great photos and videos that come out of Europe. Yeah. But in local news, just this afternoon, a UFO was seen above a patchy junction Arizona. The witness described the object as being large, brights and at a very high altitude. The object was seen moving very quickly and then disappeared from site. But this is just one out of several reported every single day in Arizona alone. Yeah,
it's hard. Even though we talk about UFOs in the news a lot, it's hard to kind of get across the people because there's a lot of stories we don't cover because they're a little mundane. You know, someone in Australia having a signing similar to this one. But people are having signings all
over the place. And you know, if you guys want to keep up on this stuff, you could go to the mofon website of course, but you can go to open mindsat TV as well, because we post the signings on a regular basis and literally every day we post several stories, some of them coming from like the moof on database of all of these sightings happening all
over the world. And for those of you who don't know, moofon is the mutual UFO network, right the biggest investigation organization and in the United States, so unsupposedly in Russia and in China they have bigger civilian organizations. That's why I've never said the world I don't know much about these groups, unfortunately, because I don't speak Chinese or Russia and Russian and there earn a lot of people talking back and forth. But China is supposed to have this like
tens of thousands of people in this organization that they have. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that they're in Chinese because I was going to say I was going to go and look into them, because I was fascinated, but I don't speak Chinese either. Yeah, well, we do carry a book in our bookstore. I think we have copies of it left of Wendell Stevens's book
on Chinese Sightings. You're right, I think we do. And in our current issue of the magazine, we have a story where Wendell Stevens is talking about his relations with Chinese and the different stories there, and we have a lot of pictures and stories with those pictures on a lot of incredible Chinese sightings even by their military. Excellent it is, and I do think we have have those books left in our library. Yeah, it's an excellent and it's
an exciting story in our magazine that people have to check out. Remember Openminds dot tv. That is correct, and that is it for the news. Remember to check out these stories and more at Openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Mind's news correspondent, Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed back to you Aleandro. All right, thanks Jason. We've got a couple seconds left before our break, but remember you got to
come back to listen to Nancy Talbot. This is going to be a lot of fun talking about some of the more incredible. A lot of people are always asking, well, how do you know which of the Croft circles are real? And how many are man made? Because a lot of them are man made, And luckily Nancy and her crew of people actually do some work to determine which are witch and their discoveries in two thousand and nine. Of course, it takes some time to get all that information back are really amazing.
And she'll be back right after the break to talk about that. So stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. And I know Nancy's got a lot to cover, so let's bring her on the phone. Nancy, are you there? I am Hi. How are you doing great? It's always wonderful to hear from you,
and I know you've got a lot to share. But one thing I did want to mention is of your organization BLT if the title stands for three individuals who have helped out and unfortunately someone of your group passed away recently. Yeah, John Burke, VB and BLT. I died a couple of months to go, very unexpectedly. And he has a great book, and you can find out more about him and his book and his research at your website, right yeah, if people go to the published papers, I want to
say, where is it now? No, I'm sorry, It's on the professional consultants page. There's a photograph and a link in which I wrote down the major contributions that John's work, you know, has lent to our work
overall, including a link to this. Marvel's book. He wrote The Seeds of Knowledge, Stone of Plenty, which discusses one of his basic ideas, the idea that certain natural geomagnetic abnormalities in the Earth's crust are perhaps rely with the reason why ancient monuments and temples were built marking these places around the world.
He did quite a lot of research in this area and came to the conclusion that it was quite possible that the reason that the pyramids and the temples, and of various monolithic monuments all over the world were built was to mark these locations. Because in fact, it was discovered after considerable work that particularly when pyramidal or corbal roofs of stone structures were erected at these places where magnetometers
clearly indicate there are these abnormalities. The abnormalities the energy is heightened, and seeds normal. Seeds placed in these locations at certain times of the year and for certain lengths of time, then not only german ate faster, they produced
greater yield. And he felt that it was quite likely that ancient cultures may have discovered this accidentally and one's having discovered it, because of course it would give a huge advantage to any culture that knew about this that they went ahead then and built these structures to mark these places so that they would never forget where they were, and then actually used them to treat their seed before it
was planted. Now, whether that ends up being, you know what, in fact is the reason or not, He's got some pretty good arguments as to why this may have been the case, right, And I know, I think that's incredible discoveries. I mean, through a lot of the science that you guys have done in BLT research dot com is the url that people can go to read more about this. BLT research dot com. Remember, you can go to professional consultants and read more about that and read about his
books. So let's get into the two thousand and nine crop circles, because I know you're really excited about your findings there. I was amazed, Alejandro. People who've been following us for a long time probably know that there's certain basic plant changes, compardon me, and soil changes which we were able to
document. Oh, and ended up being sixteen or seventeen different countries around the world over a twelve year period, when we sampled hundreds and hundreds of formations, taking literally thousands of plants and thousands of soil samples and doing all sorts of work, and eventually we came to the conclusion that there were certain basic changes, some of which are actually visible to the naked eye, which were typical of crop formations that were not mechanically flattened. In other words, those
that were not hoaxed by people did show consistently these changes. And so we haven't worked in England for some time, partially because there are a lot of man made events that occur there and it's everybody's expensive to work on a man made one as it is one of the others. Yeah, make sure work difficult. Well, it's expensive, Yeah, forget difficult. It's expensive,
and it costs the same regardless of whether it's man made or not. And since we know of a number of other formations around the world, and particularly we know about countries where there's very little hoaxing, if any, and so
it's much more productive, you know, to work in those areas. So at anyway, we hadn't done much of anything for well eight years anyhow in England, and I thought it was would be interesting to see if this year two thousand and nine, if some of these same changes which we documented for twelve years beginning in about nineteen ninety, if those changes were still happening, because I didn't know, and so we hired a field worker in England,
and then he went ahead and did quite a bit of sampling and we prepared a report which is now up on the website. And if people would like to refer to that while we talk, if they go to the homepage at bltresearch dot com, it is the first item listed. There's a little button that goes around and says new at the very top of the page, and if you click on that, it opens up this report. Now, what
we found. The first thing we found that absolutely completely blew me away because I didn't expect it was that there are a new variety of crop circle that has just started to occur with a number of them are happening. And that's these things we're calling pictorial crop circles. They actually look like pictures of things. Now in the past with pictorials, have you found that those typically turned out to be man made? No. The point I'm making is that there
have been very few pictorials at all. Occasionally, you know, there was an ant way back in the very early nineties. There have been a few, But the last summer there were loads of these things that one looked like a jellyfish, several looked like birds, others looked like you know, there are all of these things that almost anybody looking at it would say, oh, that's a blah blah blah, and this is something new, it's something
different. And it happens that the field worker did get to a number of those and did in fact find these changes which we have for twenty years now associated with the genuine phenomenon, were in fact present in some of these pictorial crop circles and absolutely unexpected result. I didn't expect that at all. Some of these are very elaborate, like the first one you have on your site
there is the phoenix. See that. People called that the phoenix rising, And it looks like a phoenix, doesn't it, Yeah, very much so, with even flames in the bottom by the tail. Yeah. I mean it's the sort of thing when you know that some crop circles are man made, that's the sort of thing that you would look at and say, ah,
it's got to be man made, right right. I mean one might think typically that it would be this discovery of you know, what we found, pardon me, in that crop circle and several others of the pictorial type. Were these changes, these elongated top nodes, the expulsion cavities, changes in seeded development, and some bending at various critical places also, which I just absolutely didn't expect. I was terribly surprised that what that seems to suggest
to me. I mean, you can put in your two cents here for what it might mean to you. But if in fact, this unknown agency, pardon me, is in fact making crop circles that look like pictures of things we recognize, doesn't that imply consciousness, right, or at least some
sort of understanding or interaction with consciousness our own side. I think it has to imply a consciousness something that is conscious of symbols or or pictures which are meaningful to human beings, right, I mean that just I mean more and more and more the evidence seems to be pointing in that direction as outrageous idea as it first seems to be, you know when you first think of it. Right, But that was one of the major results of the work last
year. Several of these very pictorial formations did in fact includes the visible plant changes that we have always associated from based on all of this work we did for years and on the published papers, so that we've associated with the real McCoy. Yeah and there, I mean I felt like you, I thought when I first saw that, as oh, you know, those can't be the real ones, because it seems like there's a lot of man made ones
these days. I don't think anybody knows that fact something the hoosters say and clearly want many people to believe. But without testing every single formation, let's say he in even one country for the summer, you have no idea what percentage or man made I mean neither or I nobody does. Right If you don't do the work. I mean, the only criterion we have to be, the only scientific criteria that we have is this plant work. And nobody has ever done all the circles in one country. Well, get back to
that after a break. We got to go to break right now, but we will be right back talking crop circles with Nancy Talbot on Open Minds Radio. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas, and we are talking about the two thousand and nine crop circle season with Nancy Talbot, in my opinion, the premiere expert on the phenomena today and I
just got a gold star. So we were talking about some of these pictorial crop circles that have some of these anomalies that you all have recorded, that all of the visible plant anomalies, which is what was f amazing. Yeah, so all of them, and there are quite a few. I know. Next to this phoenix, there was a dragonfly in the same field. Yeah, it had occurred a couple of days, well actually a couple of weeks I think earlier in that same field. Our field worker did not get
to that one. But a film crew, an LA film crew whom I know and I'm in touch with, did get to it right after it formed. And I've seen the videotape that they took in that formation the day after the day that it was found, and all of the same things in that one, in fact, even more extreme changes than what we found in the phoenix. So based on our criterion, both of those formations had all the bells and whistles of you know, what we expect to find in a genuine
formation. Mm hmm. I mean, how bloody amazing is that? It is incredible? I mean, and this is quite a change right from past crop circle sees massive. I mean, you know, in that past, most of the circles have been designed. There have been some which have represented known symbols, but the majority of them have been somewhat whimsical, not necessarily representing any particular known thing. And this last summer they were all over the
place, so that was very interesting. Now, I think I should point out an hypothesis that's been put out there by Jacques Vallet, who was well known and well respected in the UFO field for years. I have no idea why he has decided recently to be writing about crop circles, because as far as I know, he doesn't know very much about crop circles, but he
is proposing that the circles are the result of essentially microwave weaponry testing. Now I read that, and I mean, I don't mean disrespect of mister val A, doctor Vala, but as far as I know, he's never been in a crop circle, and he sure doesn't know, you know, what's going on recently, and apparently is completely unaware of the fact that crop circles
have been reported. We absolutely know that they have been occurring since at least the early nineteen hundreds, and there is other clear documentation that they have been appearing in the English fields as far back as the fifteen hundreds. So obviously, you know, microwave weaponry testing could have nothing to do with any of them up until say, maybe nineteen seventies or eighties, and yet of course
they were there. So I think it's a totally incorrect idea that these are the result of a bunch of board military types sitting around testing their weapons, not only because we know they were happening long before anything like that sort of weaponry existed, but also because there are the number of other reasons. One is that the US military for sure, has thousands of acres of land of their own upon which they could be testing whatever they've damn well pleased and no
one would be would know one way or the other. And then you've got the subtle point that microwaves cooked things. And if you're going to be beaming a microwave weapon down on the fields of southern England in the middle of the summer when all the tourists are there, I mean, how in the heck are you going to miss trying a tourist or two, you know, and
your testing. I think it's ridiculous. However, that is one of the ideas that has been put out there as a possible explanation for this growing acceptance among the researchers the people who are involved, that there is some kind of a consciousness involved. He's saying, it's the military doctor. I like to say his name, but you know, to your point, and he was a guy interesting enough for the listeners that was the main character in Close Encounters
was kind of based off of him. Slightly. Yeah, I think it was. I mean, he's a very well respected UFO who hasn't been very active in recent years. But you know the guy who's educated and yeah, got some good sense, and he's not the only one to come up.
I've heard this theory before, but even some other proponents of this theory still couldn't explain how even to them, they the big mystery to them was that these electromagnetic mechanisms, if it was some sort of weapon, couldn't lay down the crops in these intricate kind of patterns that are laid down in No. I mean you think that would be possible. It's not a very it's not
a very thoughtful hypothesis if you are aware of the actual facts. You know what it's like in the fields, and myself about all these poor tourists who out there in the middle fields. Fry a bloody you'll fry a bloke out there, Yes, I think one would have been hit by now, the numbers of them that occur. Anyhow, Moving right on, consciousness is becoming more and more of something that is being discussed about the cross circles. You
know, the idea that whatever is doing this comes from a consciousness. I mean a million ideas as to who's or what you know. Some people think ec some people think interdimensionals, some people think of spirits or God or angels. I heard mushrooms recently, Oh really, yeah, as the consciousness behind Yeah, that mushrooms kind of have a consciousness and that they could be someone one of the Heimi's conference in Mexico, when of the researchers were saying something
similar to that. You are joking. No, well, you've probably heard some people talked about mushrooms possibly having a consciousness because they're fun guy, and they're all connected. And I don't know, it's one of those theories I've heard recently. But at any rate, there aren't constantly reports in the field some people of events which occur would seem to imply absolutely a consciousness, And in this report I go through I state one of them. It's the second
example there of two colleagues of my European colleagues, men quite skeptical. I mean, they're very interested in the circle phenomenon, but they as individuals are very skeptical and very careful. And they were walking along the side of the field where the dragonfly occurred one afternoon and were kind of flummixed by the formation. They just didn't quite know how to deal with it. I mean,
because it's different, it doesn't look like anything we've seen before. And they were kind of wishing out loud for one of the earlier simpler formations to occur. And they specifically thought that it would be nice if it had a ring which was pushed out in some funny way, and that there should be a section inside the formation that looked like a standing section that looked like a slice of cake. You know. Now, how the heck they came up with
that, I don't know, but that's what they were talking about. Well, two days later, exactly such a formation did occur in a field nearby. Now they hadn't said this to anybody. The two of them had been alone. There was no one else out there in the field. They were
discussing it out loud, but there was nobody around. And yet with two days I think it was later damned if exactly such a formation didn't occur with one part of its external ring pushed down differently from the rest, with a standing section inside one of the circles that looks like a slice of cake. And now, and this crap circle was did you get one of your researchers
out there to look at the find the ab norm. That particular formation he did get to, and once again we found all of the bells and whistles, all the things that we expect to find and invisible signs. Now we remember not the laboratory work, just the visible signs, but we found them
all again in that formation. See. And it's hard to document something because I've heard that before where people have thought about a shape and that shape has appeared or even mentioned to shape where in some cases, in one case, I know, they drew a shape on a piece of paper. So sometimes people meditate on shapes or the air, a whole variety of ways. People
have gone about trying to cause a particular thing to happen. And in this case, they weren't trying to make anything happen because they do they don't believe the thing enough to think that they could make something happen. They were simply talking about it, you know, kind of jokingly. I don't think it ever occurred into either one of them that such a thing might actually happen.
And I'm pretty certain of that because when I got the telephone call from the guy he doesn't want his name, used because he just can't stand that it
actually happened. But what he called I could tell how shocked he was that this thing, which was just sort of a passing idea that they expressed out in the middle of the field to each other and to no one else, and then bamn, yeah, mean what they were talking about appeers And you know, obviously there couldn't have been people listening or even with the military idea that the military was listening to them, and then shoots down this thing.
I guess if you're going to go into the secret military stuff and what they can and can't do, it's possible because I don't know what the military can and can't do, but I think that's pretty unlikely. And what the main point here is that this is just one example of that sort of thing happening. Because I know literally hundreds of such examples, a good or fifty of which are from people I know well enough to know that they're telling the truth.
That's incredible. I know about five people myself who I met have talked about that, but hundreds. It's that's an amazing part of crop circles. You don't hear a lot about. Actually, well it happens. I mean almost everyone I know who has been paying attention for more than just a couple of years, and dozens and dozens of these tourists who may only go once, you know that can may have maybe only afford to be in England once. Yeah, we'll have this happen. That's a great trip. I've reported
that some of their of these tours, they are on the Japanese. We got to go to break right now, so we'll talk more about those experiences as soon as we can get back. You're listening to open Minds Radio. Welcome back to open Minds Radio. Here now former officials folkesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, welcome back. We are talking to Nancy Talbot of BLST Research and you can go to a site BLT research dot com to hear more about or read
more about all of this. You write some very exhaustive, great reports on everything that we're talking about here at BOTA Research. Ructures. Yeah, loads of pictures of these cool crop circles. They're really neat looking. And when we went to Brick you were talking about how even uh, you know, instances where tourists go out and they kind of how do they they hope for
a shape to appear, in a shape they're thinking of appears. Sometimes they've got it in their minds, you know, they several of them get together and they cook up an idea, or if they just have these groups, and this particular Japanese group had apparently worked up a particular design before they came. They meditated on out in the fields one night on that design, and sure enough, within a couple of nights, bam, the design had appeared.
Now, I mean, I don't understand Japanese, and if they were wishing for it in Japanese, they could have done the outloud in the middle of the pub. And I don't think anybody was picked up on it. It just it happened so often and often in very personal ways, that if you are in the fields, and if you're taking all of this seriously, really paying attention, you're quite likely to have something occur that will be very
particularly geared, so you get it. Maybe nobody else in the crowd would get it, but you do. There's one other thing that I'd like to cover. There are many other points made in this report, and I hope people will read through it. But there was one other thing we found last summer that was a first and I thought very exciting. Every so often, when the crop circles occur, the farmers upon whose lands they appear are not
real pleased about it. In some of these cases, the farmers will cut the formation out, you know, take a tractor in and cut out the formation the minute they find it. Last summer, this happened many times. Quite a number of the farmers last summer were destroying them absolutely the first second
that they saw them. And curiously, in almost every one of those cases, another formation would appear on the next night or within two days, let's say, either immediately adjacent to what to the park that had been cut out, or very nearby in the same field. Wow. I didn't realize that this had happened more than once, did I remember the one we talked about in the one picture you have here, which is incredible of you know, you see the game of seven or eight of such events that occurred last while
alone. Now, I have always been intensely curious because it doesn't happen all that often, and you have to be right where it happened. If you're going to be checking these plants, and so I've never known for sure was the first one that the farmer cut out? Was it real? And is the second one that's come down real? Also seemed to me like a most
interesting question. Well, it just so happened that our field worker managed, by a complete stroke of luck, to appear at this winterborne basket location on the morning that the second of these of two formations occurred. The first one that occurred two days earlier, and the farmer had immediately lopped off the tops
of the plants and pretty much ruined the formation. Two days, two morning later, here comes another one within about fifty yards of the first one, the same field to sitting there in your face, right, And it happened that my guy just happened to be driving by that morning, got out of the car, and he first went into the second one and immediately discovered the
elongated nodes and the expulsion cavities. He then walked up the tram line into the one that had been cut Now, in this case, the farmer had only cut off the tops of the plants, leaving the bottom two nodes and in some cases three still sitting in the ground. Yeah, you can somewhat. You can make out the shape of that original one still when you let a little bit, a little bit. And in that first formation, the one that the farmer had cut out that first morning, there they were expulsion
cavities in every node that was left still in the ground. Wow. I mean, that is a very clear indication that the one that was cut out had been genuine, that the second one was genuine. And then he checked the field worker checked all of the standing crop in between the two formations, and I'll be dined if those plants did not show the same changes. These
are plants that had never been flattened. They had simply been exposed twice to this energy system in two days, and apparently it caused the standing crop, which never went down, to have these massively elongated nodes, the expulsion cavities all the way down the plant stem, etc. This particular effect we call the spillover effect, and we had seen it back in the nineties in some cases every once in a while that the standing crop outside the downed edges,
you know, would show the same changes we were finding inside, but they would drop off as you got farther and far they're away from the formation. Normally it stops right, it's the edge. But in the larger formations, and in some of the more complicated ones, these standing plants, that the edges were also affected. Now, the debunkers all say that these changes, these physical changes that we have been talking about, are simply caused by flattening
the plants with boards. Well, number one, that's wrong. But even if they were right, how are they going to explain the changes in the standing plants flattened unless they're using electromagnetic harverboards? Yeah? Right? Taking a hair dryer out into the field and aiming it at each of the stalks. Now, would a hair dryer do that? Or doesn't need to be in a microwave type of No, hair dry wouldn't do it, I've choken. Yeah, yeah, even with a long extension cord. I don't think so.
As John Burke wrote on the website in our published papers section, there is an article called the Physics of corop Formations that he wrote some years ago from mufon actually, and in it he talks about how one of the things that we've noticed is that the tramlines, the tractor lines, which goes through all these fields are functioning as waveguides for the microwave component of this energy system. And you know that ball lightning, for instance, tends to chimneys and
it travels down through a chimney. Well, chimney is a long rectangular shape, so is a tramline. It's a three sided you know, chimney instead of a four sided one. But it was our opinion that these tramlines are functioning as waveguides, and therefore to us it makes complete sense that you're seeing some of these physical changes occasionally slipped outside of the actual perimeter of the down crop and occasionally winding along these tram lines of twenty thirty meters away from the
actual formations. Oh, that is interesting, and that's evidence for that theory. It certainly fits with the idea. Now, nobody that I know of has got a massive, huge microwave machine, much less the kind of power source it would require in a plane or some It had to be one of those enormous scraping a wax do they call them? The Yeah, it would ever be a plane of about that size to carry that size of a generator.
And as far as I know, nobody, who ever, nobody has such a thing, nor have they tried to use it in this way. But essentially, this energy system we believe is behind all of this is made up of multiple energies, one of which is in fact microwaves. And microwaves, because they disperse immediately, must have wave guides in order to direct them, and we think the tram lines are in fact functioning as wave guides in this particular example. Wow, that's incredible. Now you must be really excited
for this crop circle season. Well, I'm I'm not excited is quite the word, but I can't imagine what more can happen each year. You know, I'm kind of amazed. You better get ready for it. I'm ready. I'm as ready as I can be. Is with whatever we've seen so far, it's quite interesting to know that these documented changes that we so carefully documented literally almost twenty years ago now are still present. This finding has never
been successfully argued against. No one has done any research and published it that indicates we are not correct. Right, So for the time being, I'm going with the work that we did and what it shows us, which clearly indicates an energy other We Well, we're out of time. I don't know what happened with all of our time. That could not have been enough time, but we're out of time. Thank you Nancy for being on the show. I always love having to go on to website again bltresearch dot com.
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