Morgan Beall, MUFON R&D

Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello, my friends, and welcome to open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another wonderful show today. Our guest is Morgan Beial, who is the director of Technology for move On I uh, you know put up there move On R

and D Research and development. What could move On be building? Have they been able to glean enough information from their files on UFOs to create an extra terrestrial craft or perhaps even clone an alien? Not quite yet, but they're building a really cool mobile app for your phone. It's going to be out for the iPhone very soon and then other phones soon thereafter. And we have

Morgan here to tell us all about it. He is also the state director for Southwestern Florida and he is a Star Team member, so he's part of that elite team that goes and investigates UFO settings. So he's going to be talking to us about all of that in just a moment. But first, this is always a very exciting part of the show. We have a gentleman by the name of Jason McClelland here he follows the news because on Openminds dot TV we put up the news on a regular basis to keep you up to

speed on what is happening in the UFO world. And we have Jason here to bring us a little bit of that information. Jason, are you there, Alejandro? I am here. How are you my friend? Good? Good? How are you excellent? Sir? Let's get started with news. Hello everyone, this is your Open Minds News Brief for Monday, October tenth, two thousand and eleven. Well, we'll start off with a story about designs for a telescope that will search for extraterrestrial life, and these designs have

just been approved. Researchers from Oxford and Durham Universities designed the European Extremely Large Telescope, also called the e ELT, which will reportedly be the largest instrument of his kind ever built. According to the Telegraph, the EELT will be sensitive enough to take images of previously unseen objects such as cold stars and more planets, and learn more about their atmospheres, what they are made of,

and whether they could support life. The Extremely Large telescope would operate under the European Southern Observatory, also known as the EESO, at a site in Chile. The decision of whether or not to begin construction on the eel T will be decided on by the e s O by the end of this year, and if approval is given to construct the EELT, it will be ten tens of times more sensitive than any other visible light sensing telescope on Earth. Tens

of times, yes, tens of times. Wow. They should be careful to call it the extremely large because there'll be a bigger one that'll come along, and then it'll be the kind of big telescope. I'm sure they won't run out of things to say. You can always go go larger, the medium size to so so telescope. Yeah. But you, you, my friend, are the king of coming up with additional superlatence. I don't know,

you're you're very good. It's marketing. Yes, you talk about the kajillions of planets, and I don't know, I enjoy the words you come up with. If what you have bigger and better is one or two times better than what the competition has, the marketing rule is you or at least my marketing rule is you multiply that by a zillion or a zillion trillion so that you say, what we have here, just like our radio show, is two billion trillion times better than any other show on the internet. Exciting,

isn't it make you want to listen? What was that exact figure, two zillion trillion. I don't know where you got that number, but I like it. Let's go with it. Well, I have another news story here about NASA and the recently completed test seeing on a partially inflatable habitat that could be used on future missions to the Moon, Mars, or deeper into space. Now, I'm going to describe this here a little bit, and

it sounds really cool and I think I want one. But this new habitat is yet another example of how NASA continues to make advancements in their effort to explore the galaxy and search for extraterrestrial life. The Habitat Demonstration Unit, also known as the HDU, was tested in the Arizona Desert, which provided a somewhat Mars like atmosphere, and Alejandro, you and I know that all too well. We live right in the middle of it. It's very Mars like

here. And according to MIT's Technology Review quote, the current prototype housing unit has a hard cylindrical shell, contains four rooms, two outside additions for dust mitigation and hygiene, and an inflatable component that adds a second level for sleeping and relaxing. This thing sounds more luxurious than my house. Technology Review explains that the unit could be adapted for use on the Moon, Mars, an asteroid, or even used as a free flying space habitat. Watch out,

Robert Bigelow. That sounds like that's kind of infringing on Bigelow's territory there, Bigelow Aerospace with their inflatable habitats up in space. But the results gathered from the unit's testing were presented last week at the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics Space twenty eleven conference in Long Beach, California. Cool, very cool, and the pictures are cool. Looks like this sort of mobile home, but

much cooler looking than a mobile home. And they've even got these compartments where the little moon buggies can pull up and attach so that people from the Moon Buggy can get back into their little unit. But that's cool making developments there, and Alejandro, we talk about every week, I think we are getting closer and closer to another manned Moon mission, or Amar's mission, or depending

on who you talk to, our first Moon mission. Sorry, I had to throw that in their, Alejandro, just in case some people think we have never been to the Moon, and that is debatable. In other news, we have a story about, Oh, let's see, scientists speculate that et civilizations are rare. And I don't know about this one, Alejandro,

tell me what you think. But the sixty second International Astronomical Convention. There seems to be a lot of astronautical conventions going on lately, but this is the sixty second International Astronautical Convention that took place recently at the International Convention Center in Cape Town, South Africa. SETI League Executive Director Emeritus Paul Shutch participated in the convention and spoke about searching for radio from extraterrestrial civilizations. In doing

so, the topic of the Wow signal came up. And for those of you who don't know, the Wow signal was a radio signal detected by doctor Jeremy Aimon on August fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven with Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope. The signal, named after Amon's reaction, was quote so strong that it catapulted the Big Ear's recording device off the chart end quote. And that's according to the Big Ear's website, the Wow signal has never been detected

again. Just described it as quote one of those things that goes bump in the night and then is gone forever. The Cape Times explains that the signal quote bore all the hallmarks at the time of its detection of having a non Earth origin end quote, but after thirty four years of silence, Shuz speculates

that intelligent life is probably rare in the universe. At the conference, he explained, quote, when Seidi signed it's first started in the early nineteen sixties, we optimistically assumed this would be a short duration project and show immediate success. It's taken us this half a century to come to the conclusion that it's not going to be so easy. Civilizations are more rare, more elusive.

And this, of course is based purely on the lack of detected radio signals and makes a huge assumption that all extraterrestrial civilizations are out there broadcasting radio signals that we can pick up well, and it all depends on this we because

we meaning this person and their buddies. Because there were a lot of people, even in the SETI community, who knew it would be a long time in a difficult task, and of course in a general public of scientists, there are a lot of people who felt like it wasn't worth the effort because even if there were extraterrestrials out there, like an article we wrote too long ago with the NSSAY scientists who were talking about this, that there are so

many technologies that we don't understand that most likely would be used by another more advanced civilization that just listening to wavelengths that we know about might not ever be fruitful, right, And I don't know, we should probably clarify, and I assume there's a difference here, But just because something is called SETI doesn't mean they're all related. I mean SETI just the general term is the search

for extraterrestrial intelligence. And this gentleman in particular is from the SETI League, and I'm assuming that's different than the SETI Institute. Yeah, so you're right, the we you know, they that there were different we's with different opinions. Alejandro, I know you're going to love me for this because I'm I'm consistent here again, and I've got another fireball UFO story for you. There's a lot of them. Watch out for those fireballs, Well this one.

A witness watched a fireball UFO burn its way across the sky above Sandusky, Ohio, on the night of Tuesday, October fourth. Three men witnessed the burning object, including Robert Lowry, a seven to eleven clerk, who saw the UFO when he was carrying cardboard boxes to the store's dumpster. Lowry was hesitant to tell anyone about the event because of that horrible stigma attached to UFOs. He explained to the Sandusky Register, quote that's one of those things.

If there's nobody else around to see it, you don't go around talking about it. People will think you're crazy. End quote. Two other men who were two blocks away from the seven to eleven also witnessed the object in the sky. Daniel Harps explained, quote I looked up and this huge fireball went right over. He was on fire and had a long streaming tale end quote. Harp's friend Monty Prier added quote. All I can tell you is it was a UFO end quote. Harps later came into the seven eleven where Lowry

works, and asks the clerk if he had seen the fireball UFO. The two men shared their experiences and agreed. The object moved from the southwest to the northeast and disappeared somewhere over Lake Erie after approximately four seconds. According to the Sandusky Register, the FAA didn't detect anything unusual on radar that night. Local astronomers say the object was probably a meteor, but Lowry told the Sandusky Register quote, I've seen a lot of strange things in my life, but

this was a chart topper. But the UFO has now been identified. According to the Sandusky Register, Bellevue astronomer and Huron Valley Astronomer Group president Paul Shulden claims the object was something called a I just looked up how to pronounce this, Alejandro, and I don't remember. It's a bull eyed. That's how it's pronounced, A bully and a bull eyed. A bull eight is a bright media that often explodes. And I think you've seen a few of these,

Lejandro, haven't you. Ah No, something similar kind of kind of but that's what this this individual, this astronomer says is what people saw. But we'll just have to take his word for it. Well, it does sound sort of like an astronauty, it really does, absolutely and with just a period in the sky of four seconds, this kind of bursting and disappearing. I mean, driving out to the desert, like I've talked about, often, I see things that are more amazing than what I had seen before,

these incredible meteorites. And of course the one a few weeks ago was that was a chart topper that was absolutely incredible. But you know, I'm quite certain it was a meteor just gigantic breaking up in the sky where your pictures to prove it it it was only a few seconds. I have no proof. Shame for shame. Now I'm jealous you got to see that, because that sounded like quite an event, and you're right this this does most

likely sound like some sort of natural phenomena. So we'll let them have that one. But Alejandro, I've got another UFO sighting here, and this one's kind of fun. I like this one. So dozens of witnesses reported strange lights flying in a v formation above Kansas City, Missouri, According to Fox four News in Kansas City, a witness recorded the mysterious lights with a cell phone on the night of Monday, October third, but other reports indicate that

lights have been seen on multiple nights. According to Margie k, assistant stage director for MUFON that's the mutual ufoone network, witnesses saw the lights on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday of last week. She explains that the reports are of quote, very large craft hovering in different areas, and that's quite unusual because normal airplanes do not have that behavior. Helicopters do, but these are not described as helicopters end quote. Fox four News states that k contacted local

airports looking for help identifying any of the eighty two UFO sidings reported. The airport helped her determine that some of the sightings could be explained by stunt planes that were in the air at the time. Further evidence suggests that that stuntplane theory could be true. Fox four News reported on October seventh that KC Flight, a civilian air formation team, came forward to claim responsibility for the lights in the sky. Pilot Philip Lamb explained that he and his eight man team

quote practices at night because the city lights illuminate the planes end quote. He further explained that quote during their flight, the plane's wings are typically three feet apart and are stacked approximately three to four feet above or below each other, causing the planes to appear like a single object from the ground. If the lights that were observed by at least eighty two people were the result of city lights illuminating these stunt planes, it would seem logical to assume that the other

airplanes in the sky are also illuminated by city lights. But other airplanes don't seem to have caused the buzz generated by the mysterious lights in the sky last week. Additionally, several witnesses reported seeing the lights hover then shooting off quickly. As Cave previously stated, that isn't normal behavior for airplanes now. But they had to have had lights on. I mean, it couldn't have been I think the reflections, they would have to have some sort of light on.

I would think so that that AA regulation absolutely. Yeah, So yeah, that's a tough one. But also other airplanes in the night are going to have lights on, but they're not going to be flying in formation like these guys supposedly were right. They were stunt pilots. Correct. But if you look at the photos, and I think there's video mavi, you just photo. But each of the individual lights is quite bright, you know, certainly brighter than you would you expect just a single airplane to be with their

lights and paired with illumination from city lights. I mean, they're abnormally bright. They could just be these planes. They could be because they're illuminated more because they're flying at a lower altitude. I don't know, Yeah, I don't think that it makes sense that illumination from city lights on planes. That's kind of silly at the night. I agree, I mean unless they're unless

they're flying like right above the street and you've got the street lights. But I could see, you know, because I've been fooled with a plane that comes straight at you, like we talked about. But I don't know.

This is a tough one because if you have these planes in formation coming straight at you, these flights would look really bright, but they would probably look well, if they were at it a height, they might look like a v correct, But then turning, if they're coming right at you, they'll just look like they're hovering and then when they turn, it could look like they shoot off. But when they turn, I mean, do they turn in formation? Yeah, I imagine, So, I mean that's that's what

these stunt planes do. They fly really in really tight formation and then all move at the same time. That's what they move in unison. It looks weird. I don't know. I haven't recently, haven't seen it at night. So what someone needs to do is go out and film them practice it exactly so then they can compare it exactly. I will say that in just a brief search, I couldn't find this this flight company online anyway, this

KC Flight. I did find a company called KC Flight, but it was in a different state, and this case flight is supposedly in that same state. So so I don't know about them. I don't know, you know. I tried to find some video or photo of them doing their stunts, but I couldn't find any. So, yeah, we just have this picture

to work with, and you know the witness testimony. Will you make a good point with perspective, sometimes planes coming at you, or if they're in for more formation and they're making this big turn in the sky, depending on what angle they're at, it could look like they're hovering for a little while anyway, but they are airplanes. They have to keep moving. Yeah, so the description of hovering and then shooting off quickly doesn't really fit with the

airplanes. So that's strange. It's very strange, although I can still see it personally. I mean, if they're coming at you for like five minutes, that's a long time exactly, I would and smaller planes travel so slow comparatively well. And also if they're in a maneuver where they start climbing and then you know, from far away, it looks like they're just sitting there, and then they go into a dive, then it's gonna look like they're

shooting off. And if they're really flying at night, they're gonna look weird. No doubt, they're gonna be cool looking. I mean, it'd be fun to watch because they would look different, just like you know, any well, you've got this bizarre illuminated v kind of exactly doing weird things in the sky. Yeah. So anyway, that's that, and Alejandro, that is it for the news. Be sure to check out all of these stories and so many more at Openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news.

I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed, Alejandro. I hope you mentioned the article you just put up today, because I didn't mention that. I wanted to save that for you. All right, Yeah, I'll talk about that, and remember, we have a lot more news. There's Phoenix, there is another UFO siding. Uh. This UFO phil we've talked about is up to some more strangeness. There are pilots in Moscow who saw UFOs. So there's a lot more UFO news on

our website. If you go to Openminds dot tv and go to the new section, you'll see all the headlines and all of the really cool UFO news that's going on out there. As far as our articles, which we put up on a regular basis as well, we've got some good stuff there. We do have a story on a UFO signing by a Mexican president. Louise at Scheveria et Scheveria Antonio wrote this story and it's very interesting. This guy

in the seventies or possibly late sixties. There's a little bit of controversy on the date, but probably nineteen sixty eight because there was a blackout and he said he had this siding during a blackout. But it's kind of funny because he was at a stately affair and you know, people started talking about UFOs and they were kind of dismissive and making fun and he piped up and says,

well, I saw a UFO. And he tells him a story about how him and his wife and a family friend who was actually a famous dancer, had seen a UFO during a blackout and he felt that the UFO was responsible for the blackout. So, as far as Antonio knows, this story hasn't been told in English. So it's a really interesting story that you can find on our website. Also, as Jason mentioned, I have a new

story up on the August twenty eleven UFO wave. You may remember that there was a lot of news when Clifford cliff had told people that sightings had doubled in August, and so I ran some stats and made some graphs to figure that out. Sure enough, just like he said, you know, they usually get five hundred sightings a month, they got over a thousand in August. So I tried to find out where that happened and to figure out, you know, what might have happened. Was this a mistake in reporting?

It doesn't look like it. Actually, I look through it looks like these are all valid. There was an increase, It doesn't look like any one state in particular had an unusual amount to account for this, meaning that it wasn't one mass sighting in one state. Connecticut I found had a lot of sightings more than usual. They only usually have four or five, but they

had thirty eight reported in August, So that's a lot. That's thirty four more than usual, and you know, it's six zillion times more than they usually get. That's multiplying more than they are. But anyway, they had a lot of sightings. That still doesn't account for how they had five hundred more sightings at move On than they normally have. And really, when you look at the state figures, it seems like the sightings were scattered across the

country as normal. The places that get a lot of sightings had a lot of sightings. So it's hard to say why. But you can see this breakdown and these graphs where I thoroughly analyzed the shapes of the UFOs that were being seen in I guess, so you can take a look at that and see for yourself. Now, I'm also going to write some more stories this week because I found some other really interesting information as far as hotspots when it comes to UFO sidings, and this is going to be great. So stay

tuned to Openminds dot tv for more on that. However, now let us go ahead and get on the line. Morgan Biele, like I said, he is the director of technology for mofon and he has some exciting news on advanced technology that move On is going to be utilizing and hopefully this is going to help them in collecting their citing reports as well. I am very excited to have the technology director for move On move On R and D that Morgan Biel on the phone. Morgan, are you there, Yes, I am

hello. It's good to talk to you. Absolutely. Yeah, what a cool job? Is that cool? If I added the R and D because that's that's the research and development kind of exciting Hell yeah, probably not as exciting as so, yeah, makes it sound a little bit more fun. Yeah. You probably don't have a secret lab or anything, no, but I'm thinking of building one that would be cool in the underground lab. So

sweet. How long have you been doing this? Well, I mean I've been interested in the phenomenon for about I guess seriously for about i'd say about eight years. And I decided about two and a half years two and a half years ago to get seriously involved with move On and because of the values and the scientific methods, and you know, I read through their documentation and some of their you know, forms and whatnot that they that they put forth when they do some of these k is. I kind of like that.

So I got heavily involved, became an investigator here in Southwest Florida, and became very busy, very quickly, because, as you know, Florida's like, I guess, one of those hot spots, you know, before I knew it, I had you know, five six cases at a time in some cases, so it's I got a lot of practice doing that. I became the state section director for Southwest Florida and began to make good relationships with people within the community here in Florida and the investigators here, and you know,

I just kept going from there. I kept, you know, wanting to get more involved, and I am now where I am now. I started out with the Star Team project pretty early on because of my background I

I do. I'm an industrial hygiene consultant during the day, and so I deal a lot with hazardous materials testing, ground at water testing as fast ast, mold, you know, all that kind of fun stuff, and so I kind of utilized my day job, I guess, my my experience there and in moved on, so it became very relevant to the Star Team's functions.

So I became heavily involved in the first SIP project and and then the new uh Star team that that reopened and uh reorganized, and now I'm part of that and uh it just moved up from there and kept getting involved in some really neat projects that we're working on and like redeveloping the website, uh, you know, creating an app for move On, and and also doing some technical papers for move On. I helped create the the new formal report

form, and there's two of them that we that we put together recently about just prior to the symposium, and we're going to start actually publishing those, so you know, along those lines. So busy, busy, Yeah, I'm gonna put you on the spot and ask a tough question just because I know it's on at a lot of the listener's mind, and it's great to have someone from the inside answer these questions. But as an SIP member, that was the project with Robert Bigelow that he was funding, how did you

feel about that project? Because of course, as you know, there's been some controversy around Oh yeah, I mean we all know that, and we're I'm okay about talking about it. It's pretty open. Everybody knows. There were mistakes made on several fronts. But it was a big project. It was a real it was an experiment. A lot of money was involved and a lot of a lot of work. I mean the cases that I won on I was, you know, eighteen hours straight. It was no joke,

you know, and I did a lot of serious work. And you know, again like most UFO cases, and I only say that not to be cynical, but most of the cases, you know, end up having a dead ends where there's no evidence or you know, it's just like most cases. And every now and then we got lucky, even got really good intriguing cases. And so it's my opinion about it is that, you know, I wish it could have been done better, but it was. It

was a good experiment. It was a good start to I mean, this has never really been done before other than like Projects blue Book or something where they actually put a lot of funding into something like this. And so I think both parties learned from it, and I think anything that came out of it, which is now what we have now is so much better and we're

developing new things to create a better team atmosphere. You know, a lot of the big criticism was that the state directors didn't have any any involvement and

sometimes didn't know about cases, and and we we correct at that. Now it's exclusively involved with the state directors, and now we're utilizing a team based approach to these cases where the star teams investigators are the most experienced just by you know, being selected based off of their experience and know how, but they managed the cases and they can utilize the entire state's resources to get the case done, and they're from that state, so it's it's no different than

having a normal case. It's just being structured differently so they get more help on a case that requires more resources. So, right, and I miss a lot of things. Did you see any ill intent or on any party during that project. Your safe I saw, yeah, I know, I know what you mean. Yeah, the question came up, and I saw stuff. But what I saw was more or less mistakes on both sides, right, just reckless, you know, not untentional. I wouldn't say they

were you know, there wasn't any malice or anything like that. No one was trying to you know, do anything to anybody. I think it was just a lot of mistakes. You know, like on the big old side, you had a few of these investigators that were literally hired to do work. You know, I thought this was cool. This is the first time they've ever dealt with the UFO phenamen. So they were thinking X files, cooking dagger, you know, this is you know, it's it was more

extravagant than it really was. And then get on our side, you know, the kind of conflict where you're dealing with somebody who's never dealt with this subject matter. But on a scientific side, you know, Biggel'll have some really excellent and very intelligent people. I worked with some really nice guys in that in that outfit. But you know, again, it's just like in

any organization, you'll get a few people that just don't belong there. So yeah, it's like in any big organization, it just run into things like that a lot. And I think I think it was a necessary step and I think we both parties learned quite a bit from it, and I think the only good will come out of it in the end. Yeah. I mean, with volunteer organizations, everybody want to do the right thing, and

well you know have but they all have a similar goal. It's just especially when you're limited in time and resources, figuring out how to do it is the hard part. And just because people make mistakes or have differences opinion doesn't necessarily mean that there's any sort of that's the thing. There's no time for conspiracy. Everybody's too busy, exactly, And that's the thing, you know,

I mean, don't get me wrong. And we you know, of course, we always have those cases where we have those guys show up and on marked cars and conspiratory stuff like that. I mean, that happens. But in the case of the Star Team and stuff like that, I think it was exactly what you said it was. It was people making true and honest mistakes. And you know, you know, you have character difference,

the differences between people. Some people don't get along. It's going to happen, and especially under those conditions when you're doing these highly stressful long term investigations, right. You know, I'm so glad I was compensated for that because I wouldn't have been able to do it. You know, there's no way. With the travel and the amount of work that I had to do. I had to make off work, you know, things like that, and

it was it was a real job. But in my opinion, for me, it was definitely worth every minute because I learned so much about that world, about investigating, even more than I already did. You know, it was it was. I think it was a huge learning experience for our community as a whole. And you know, the big criticism I guess that comes

out of it is nothing was ever shared. Well, there was a whole lot to share scientifically, but there's a lot of interesting stories and we're hoping with the new website, we're actually going to have a whole starting section where we're going to actually be releasing old docs and new docks, you know, talking about cases, maybe having a few interviews with our new radio kind of

we're doing like a podcast kind of deal. But you know, and we'll start bringing that stuff out and the kind of thing that people have criticized, we really never had a venue to kind of talk about this stuff, you know. So it now we're create that and we're coming up with new technique, new wasted really information blow coming out. Yeah, and people say that, you know, when I was in contact with Richard Lank, he gave us the material and we printed in our magazine even what he felt was the

best cases. I mean, it's not like that information was hidden. Like you said, there's just not necessarily different places or places to get it out. Well, yeah, there just wasn't a way or a venue to do it correctly anywhere or in an organized fashion, you know. And just like the report I sent you, there's a way I could fit that, and they didn't in the journal. I mean they only put four pages, right,

and that's the seventy eight page report. So it kind of you know, kind of tells you the challenges that we have and we're trying to update

everything, you know, technology hence my title. You know, we're trying to we're really building a comprehensive website so people can use it as a resource to get to those types of big reports, and so people really get a g of the magnitude of this phenomenon, and I think once they start to see how much work is being put into it, a lot of those criticisms won't go away, but they'll say, oh, okay, well, now I understand why didn't they kill us this before? So it's I think it's

it's going to turn out in a positive way. Yeah, Hey, are you moving around or something? The phone kind of going in and out. It's quiet, matter, quiet lotter. It might be because I'm near a wireless system. Yeah, is that better? Yeah, let's see. I'll just hang out in the front of my house. No, okay, all right, great, we'll talk about some more of the cases you've worked on in just a minute. But I did want to mention talk about a couple

other things. One is that you've got a Volunteer of the Year at the symposium for twenty eleven. Congratulations on that. Yeah, that was a that was a definite I know. And h and Patty or office personnel for HQ. Uh, they kept their lips and they were looking at me funny during that time, and I'm like, what's going on. I'm not and I'm sitting at their table and all of a sudden, I hear my name and I turn around and there Clifford, you know, point at me. And

so I was pleasantly surprised. You know, I I'm kind of you know, I kind of keep it in a bookshelf sitting on its side. I don't really put it. I'm like one of those people I get it. If I get that award, I'll look at it and be like, you know, I kind of feel pretentious, but I put it on the wall. But no, it was an honor. I really enjoyed that event and I was glad to receive that reward. But you know, I have so much more to do, and it's it goes beyond volunteerism. It's it's for

me anyway. It's it's really had a life mission for me to help out in this community. And I think I can have a real positive impact with me on and UH. And we're already starting to do that, building a comprehensive team for web development UH, all the way from getting a financier and UH and a really good cart brassroots team to build a an app for a move On and you know, just going on Beyond that, there's so many

more projects that are that are ready to get started. I think a lot of this stuff is really going to change our community on how we interact with the phenomenon. So I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah. Cool, Now, do you have much to do with the UFO stocker. No, there's another gentleman who built the stocker. We're actually going to be pulling him

into work with a few of these programmers. But we're going to be enhancing some of that kind of coding and actually creating we don't really have a name for it, but creating some analysis tools for the cms, uh, utilizing the same type of what they call XML or you know external databases where we'll be able to to actually make contour maps, extrapolate data, you know, make barographs and you know, piagraph charts to kind of give people an you

know, the ability to analyze that the data that move On's been collecting for so many years. So we're really looking forward to that. And and part of that map tracker, you know, is kind of with a start back in the day, and we're really hoping to enhance out of that movie we start developing the website and and the database, So a lot coming down the tunes, a lot being worked on right now. So cool. Yeah, that's exciting because the UFO s socctors neat, I mean the twitters, you

can get the sightings as they they come up. It's it's pretty cool. And what's really cool too, of course, is the project you have been working on, the move on mobile application UFO Connect. Yes, UFO connect Man. That's been an adventure, one of my uf The two partners in it and putting this together is we have John Holtzklaw who's a three D animator

and he's done a lot of that type of material. And and then in Jeffrey Smith, who was kind of our CEO kind of type person who find funded it and got it started in business wise, I mean unbelievable amount of stuff we had to do to just to become a an Apple developer, and and then we had to do all the trademarkings and copyrights and so we got all that done. So it's almost been nine months and he kind of put it this way like it's like giving it. It's like giving birth to a

chield. It's nine months and we're almost there launch. It's officially launching on November first. Right now, it's in public data, which means he could probably go there and get it, but it's still under development. So you know, just be mindful that the official data is for November first, and we are really looking forward to that just to give you and I don't know if you want to know the intricasees of the appeal. Yeah, it's not

like your typical app. It's very complex, you know. Like I said, it's taken months to design and program, and it's actually three apps in one application. So we give up to these ideas with three different apps and we went ahead and put them into one. Obviously. The first one is to move On mobile application, which basically emulates our online content and we're still

developing it. But online content and other items like news, we use a lot of the Examiner dot com Roger Marsh's news, so you can go right there and get the latest and he extrapolates the top cases from our CMS database and so that helps generate a lot of drive to look at some of the cases that come into move On. So there's all sorts of things you can do on there, visit the forums, shop and move on that sort of

thing. And that's the free portion of the app. Of course, you know, being a very comprehensive app, it costs quite a bit of money to build and getting Grammars and the correct people to do it. So, but we do have to put the other portions on for sale and then they're cheap. It's like two ninety nine, I think in four ninety nine, and one of them is a called UFO Search and it's an that's and just so people know, that's just a one time fee, right yeah, once,

I mean that's not less. Maybe like five years down line when we make a giant upgrade, it'll be like a dollar. That's like that's a long time ago from now. But no, the the the yes, one time de No, there's no monthly fees on these things. The the UFO Search portion of the app actually utilizes their database just like the map does, uh, the the the soccer except to put a little bit more, but

you can look into geographically where all the sports are in the database. So it actually you can go into a search, you generate your search on what you want to see, and it pops up on the map and shows you

all these pinpoints all over the map. It puts whatever you're looking for and you can actually click on those and read the descriptions from the people and they're working on getting the files to work, so you can actually see any visible either videos or photos to work in that app, so if there's anything attached

to it. In cases, you can click right on them and geographically locate them and say, oh wow, that one's close to my house and you can actually click on it and read all about that sighting that occurred in that area. And of course the big one, this one was our kind of golden egg. We really love this portion of the app. It's really fun

to use. It's called the SkyWatch Alert and it's a live alert system that allows anybody that has the app to if they're out skywatching or if they see something, they can cool their phone out real quick, generate a report in less than ten seconds. Place an alert and you can get a top of

you know, you can make it very complex. You can write all that a book about it on there or whatever, or you can take confectors and literally put a report on there and once that goes in there whatever setting, anybody else on that network who hasn't an app has a setting either for Florida, Texas, California. However, they have it set up to get it an alarm, and you can set up multiple alarms. They'll instantly get that alarm coming across the network. So as soon as it goes onto the network,

it goes onto everybody's phones that has that area set up. The water Oh that's really cool. Yeah, yeah, it's really neat. And you get and you know, it goes off, you hear the alarm, you go in, you say, yeah, I view it. And when you're not in the app, it'll give you a push notification and so and you hear the alarm too, and uh. And you can turn the alarm off and go to default and it just can see that little you know, bling down. But otherwise you can pick through some pretty uh fund use alarms and

but yeah, you can essentially use it as a live alert system. So if you're just sitting around, I can't tell you how many times I've missed on a case, but I looked at that I was assigned that was literally miles a few miles away from going outside and seen miss spending. It's high work. Cool for it, and this I think will will help facilitate kind of a UH in your own hands disclosure. You go out, you see phenomenon and you decide for yourself. You look at it, you see what

other people are the same. And that's the whole thing is to get the community involved, you know, and look at this stuff when it's happening, so more witnesses, you know, Yeah, that is so cool because I can see and I can't wait till the first time this happens, because I'm sure it will happen where someone will post something and then you'll know, you'll have other people look whether you know it's it's you know, a large media orright like you know, I saw one out, that big one in Phoenix

recently. But if that would it deems and other people would have known to look up and and they would have seen it too. Or of course a real event that just imagine if we had that back when the Phoenix vice happened, there could have been even more witnesses. Oh absolutely, And because you know, like Texas the event Texas, the one that's happening right now,

and what was it? Is it Missouri? I think it's Missouri. Yeah, And you know, those those types of things happen where the whole community will get these alarms from actual witnesses that are in their area or wherever they have it set up. And this is a worldwide app, so people all

over the world can actually use it. So it's it's it's really it's going to be great the first I think the first version, Yes, the first version is going to be Apple, It's going to be on iPad and uh an iPhone, and then the next phase of the development is going to be putting it on droid phone, so you know, don or a droid phone lovers, you're going to get it too, so it uh, yeah, go ahead. I was going to ask how long the droid people have to

wait, Well, we're hoping by the beginning of next year. We need at least four or five months to develop it. But the coding right now, the hardest part was actually pre development, so longest, so I think a lot of that time will be cut off once we get into the droid app development. So I'm literally just translating the code over to the droid OS operating system. So it's awesome. Ckily, I have an iPhone so I can get it quick. Yeah, there you go. Actually, I went

to look for it earlier and I couldn't get the beta. Unfortunately I couldn't find it, so it should be betas should be up there. It's going to be a full version that's on there, but it's again like I said, I'd wait. November is when we're going to have the nice glossy version out and we h it should be in good shape and ready to roll on November first. Awesome. Well I'm excited about that. That's really cool.

So this is pretty exciting, and you know, people can go to ufo connect dot com and look at what the app is going to look like because it's really good looking too. Yeah. Yeah, we spend a lot of time on the artwork. We really try to get the feeling. I designed the logo kind of the circle within the circle with a little satellite around it. Yeah, very cool, and you know it kind of gives everybody kind of an icons that's UFO Connect, I know what that is and hopefully over

in many years more support and rows. And you know, we tried to do that through a lot of social media. So we have a Facebook page, so if you guys could get on there and support us also on Twitter and whatnot and give us feedback. We listen to everybody, and trust me, we shoot that stuff directly to the programmers, and we really try to make it, you know, an app for everybody. We want everybody to

like this and to be able to use it. Yeah. So ufoconnect dot com is where people can go and look at all the different types of the apps you talked about. You have a lot of the of screenshots of what it'll look like, and then of course they can get to your Twitter and the Facebook for UFO connect there. But ufo connect dot com. Yeah,

it's real simple. So and how did it start? I mean, did you whose idea and did you did you go to like move on and say hey, I want to do this and they were like sweet, Well, it was kind of like, you know, friend, we're sitting there, three of us met John and Jeff, sitting at dinner, and we were like, you know, contemplating he he just joined, I join and become a field investigator. And of course my friend John was like, nah,

I'll just get the magazine that worked for me. And we're just trying to think and we were you know, we're talking about markets and what's been active in technology, and we set apps and then we said what about it? And you know, Jeffrey is actually the first one that kind of initiated the discussion, and he said, what about, uh, you know, what about a UFO app? You know, one where you can search around and

see what landed in your area, you know that kind of thing. And then we just went from there at snowballed and I started to come up. I actually came up with the idea of SkyWatch a few years earlier. I just didn't have a platform. I was actually thinking of making an alert system based off of the Amber Alert system, and I actually went into phone conversations with those systems and other people to try to kind of figure out how it

works. And I did a whole financial kind of research on it, found out how much it cost, and we'll talk about money, you know, upwards to about one hundred and twenty to even wow, five hundred thousand bud worth of work. And it took to actually put together a lot of the Amber alert systems and how that actually worked. But then all of a sudden, the smartphones came out right and as started coming out, and I was like, Hey, I can cut this really really really big corner and actually

it will work better. Yeah, you know, no one uses beepers anymore, and no one likes getting phone calls. So I think, you know, the song idea with the apps will actually apply to this Amber alert.

And I also kind of boarded into the history of SkyWatch Operation SkyWatch, which was a program that actually ended in nineteen nine, you know, when they started to invent and use radar where citizens volunteered to go out and spot aircraft for the air Force during during the war and during World War Two, and they would go out all over the nation, Canada, Alaska, and they would just they would always, you know, they would be out in towers

literally and spotting aircraft and radioing it into some sort of headquarters. So it's kind of those two items kind of meshed together to create this SkyWatch alert system that we built within the apps. Cool. Yeah, cool, that's exciting. That's very cool. So yeah, that's November first. That's not too far away, No, not at all. Film's there. I'm excited, yep. And I mean already it's surprising to think that the holidays are on

their way. Yeah. No, hey, yeah, you can buy you know, little Christmas cards and get you know, a little I guess like the iTunes card. Yeah, exactly, so everybody can get the app, and what's exciting, you know, looking at the screenshots and everything, it definitely looks like an app that is built by It looks smart, it looks very useful. Other apps in this field I won't mention names, but sometimes aren't you know, they're just kind of informational and more marketing, where this

is really something that can be used and utilized. Yeah, and that's the whole intent. And there's so much more we can do to it as far as making it better, enhancing it, and giving it more attributes, you know, over time. I've already talked to a few of the programmers right now with the move On and they're thinking of all these new ideas to you

know, to possibly add to it. And also one of the things part of our web development, we're even thinking of putting it on for subscribers, you know, who subscribe to move On, to be able to use the app on their PCs, on their Max and their PCs, so they can literally log in as a subscriber and just go right to it and put it up on their screen and leave it up there a computer all day long they want. So there's all sorts of applications it. Yeah, I can't wait

to get it. Man less than ten bucks for the whole thing. That's awesome, no problem, And that's what's cool about apps, you know. You it's just a one time fee, it's not monthly or anything. Right. Well cool. I'm glad we got back about that because I'm really excited about it. We're of course social networkers and tanky dudes here, so we get really excited about all of this kind of stuff. And it was fun to meet you in California at the symposium. Yeah, you know, we

got really excited to hear all about that. Yeah, it's it's going to be a definite adventure, you know, a big game changer. I think it's going to really give a different perspective for the general public and the serious enthusiasts, a definitely useful tool, a new look at this phenomenon, and I think it'll it'll literally turn viral. It'll get people really involved, and I think we're going to see a lot more witnesses to the phenomena. Yeah,

which is great. It'll change all the numbers, which is I'm working this week on some stories using move On data on different types of like where hotspots are different types of things and some interesting stuff I found crunching the numbers. So this will all change when you comes out, and there's a lot more songs, which is great. It'll become more accurate, I think, yeah, and it'll it'll probably skew the at a little bit from this point.

Yeah, yeah, things will change, which is great. Gets better all the time. Okay, Well, next, I wanted to talk about you know, you had mentioned you were on the Star team and everything, and I know there's a case that this you know, gigantic report that you had sent me that we can get into, but I wanted to ask before that, Uh, is this your best Star case or what was one of the coolest cases you got to work on? That really an eye opener?

Yeah, this this was actually a really good one. You know, I get a lot of good cases when I get you the dialogue from our witnesses and it's right, But this is the first one that I've ever you know, you know, of course, you always got in the back of your head, is this really real? You know, yeah, really happening? And and and you know you're always questioning yourself, especially myself as being you know, kind of a daytime scientist. I guess, uh constantly you know,

looking at things objectively and trying to check myself. But in this case, this is probably the most interesting case I've dealt with. There's been plenty, trust me, and there's been right, you know, roller coaster cases too. I mean I've had some horrible nightmare cases, uh, you know and not mentioning names, but you know, people that were literally insane. But dealing with this case, this guy was straightforward. Uh. You know, he was a police officer at the time, he still is uh.

And his wife was active duties still, so they couldn't discuss what she does, I mean she so there was a lot of credibility there with with the witnesses. The story never really changed, you know that, which was good. We did a lot of text and you know, with the photographs that we gotten from the case, it was the first most closed up photograph of this type of object that I've seen, and I've seen reports about these types of objects. I guess some people call them, you know, football shape

or you know, a tear drop. They'll call him tear drop, or they'll call him, uh like an upright silt cigar shape. But in this case, they got a really close photograph of it us that they could and we I mean we raked through those those photos looking at all the data. We gave it to a couple of specialists to really go through and scrutinize, and we got good feedback. We got good scrutinization. You know, there was a lot of you know, hey, this is how you would think

it. Uh, you know, this is how you would do this, which is what we're part of our processes. We really want to know everything about those photos we possibly can and look at it objectively. You know, this case was kind of crazy because it started out back in eight He actually made a report to move on when his family had a reunion at his house and they all witnessed this strange uh point of light moving erratically around the sky very quickly. And this is in Miami Dade, UH and Florida. And

so that you know, was reported. I think it was Mary Margaret that took the case a while back, and there was another investigator that was on it and uh and then we received another report from him the recent which was here at twenty eleven, and it was about this sphere that he saw takeoff from his backyard. He came out. It was it was he reported this for a reason. And I'll get to that because kind of give you an order of how things occurred. So we get this Star Team. It was

the Star Team deployment right away. So we we you know, literally the day ends at work. I'm at home, I stuff everything in my trunk of my truck or the bed of my truck, and I'm off to Miami. So I'm going across the Alligator Rally, which is this long road that goes across from the west coast of Florida to the east coast of Florida. So I get over there in time and we get out of there. We have about an hour until the light, you know, could we lose light.

So immediately we go to the fight and I'm looking for this giant you know, hole in the ground or some ground c circle, you know, And it's this little dinky it's six inch two six inch type dim its kind of burn marks in the in the grass, and you know, one has like an ashy white color to it. Really strange. It was like an ash like and even even some of the grass it wasn't really burnt, it was it was it was just white, like the starches turned due to heat.

It was still it was still supple or soft to the touch. And we did test it for radiation, so I didn't go, you know, snipping around without checking for safety issues. Yeah. But and and then the other one was just scorched black. It was the top part of the grass was really burned out. So it was odd to have two different markings like that. But his description of this object was this larger than a basketball sphere with no seams, uh, taking off very quickly. As soon as he

came out the back door he was letting his dogs out. His dogs were going crazy. He got home in the late evening for around six pm, six thirty, and his dogs went straight for this fence that he has up. And the fence has like one of those like little guards you can't see through, you know, like the mesh that you put on the fence, And so he didn't you know, he didn't know what they were barking.

As soon as they got to the fence, this thing takes off. He goes straight up and he sees like a temperature inversion or like a wavy you

know, heat signature coming off the bottom of his craft. As it's moving up and it's kind of glowing, Red said, but he could tell it was silver, but it was well with glowing, he said, it's hard to explain, he said, And it went straight up and made a dimy degree turn to the south very quickly, and he said, that's what really, you know, took them by surprises how quick it went and how fast

it turned. It was just not conventional. And but he when we went inside for the interview, so we went outside, did all our our sampling. We collected samples and everything, and we went inside and I again, I'm it's not much to me because I do it as per job. But I'm just saying collect samples, meaning I went in and I actually did a few auger holes with some soil auger, took some soil samples, took some vegetation samples, both control samples and the samples within the mark areas. Sample

sample sample, That's all I did. I took many, many samples, and I have archives samples and samples I sent to their lab and everything like that. So I did that. I took photos, everything like that, measurements. So we went inside to do the interview and he's like, well, there's something else I need to tell you. And I'm like okay, I said, well what. We really didn't want to put it in the report because, you know, we were afraid you guys would think are crazy.

And I'm like, okay, well, you know, hey, trust me, I've heard crazy before. I'm okay. So we got real comfortable with one another where we were talking and Mary Margaret was there with me, our assistant State Director of Florida. And he started telling it's about this event that occurred a few months prior. And I said, okay, well what happened? And he said, well, this obous red object was in my front yard. And he said I said, I think, well, what

do you mean in your front yard? He said, well, I walked out into the front yard. This is around eleven I think it was eleven PM at night. He was going out to the car for something and he came face to face with this red object right in his front yard, probably about thirty forty feet away, probably thirty feet he was a little close, and he kind of was stunned, you know, that deer in headlights type thing. And he starts yelling for his wife and his mother. After he's

yelling for his wife. His door was partially opened, and as he was yelling for his wife, you know, his mother saw the same thing, and she was like kind of panic stricken, according to him, and his wife comes out. He's like yelling at her, get the camera, get the camera, and he gets the She gets the camera and comes out and starts snapping a few photos, and she was able to get a few still shots. You know, they're smeared in most of the photos because it was

low light. She was trying to take it without flash, and then she turned the flashots. So there's all sorts of modes that we described in the report that she did how many seconds between each photograph, And there was a few shots where she was able to hold it steady for a long enough time to get a really solid look at the object. And by far me, I haven't seen anything that close of this object ever, and it's it looks literally kind of like a translucent crystal glass, you know, very bright red

object. His description when he was there in person, because camera shots, video and everything can give you a different perspective of what actually people are seeing because they're not like a human eye. But when they were looking at it, their description was that it was bright, so bright that they would leave streaks, like if you were looking at the sun, you know, in the order bright light at night, it would leave sort of like a streak. Well, he said, it would pulsate and it would sit there,

very bright, and it would be doing this the whole time. So and they watched it. The wife taking photos would actually approach it and she tried to get and it moved away from them. And it did this about three times, and it would abruptly move horizontal and still kind of stir and kind

of do this irregular flashing, as he called it. And when it got over the road and went over to the neighbors or across the street, right into the front port of thereat, right over the you know, the seam of the road, and then she stepped onto the road to walk towards it, it shot free up and out of sight, and they don't They just went straight up and kept going until it disappeared. And they said it moves

quickly. And then that's what really startled them, just how fast it moved, and you know, and that's that's that they had the photos, they had the testimony. They talked to us about it. We went into a few other stories about you know, items about them. We were just trying to get a characterization of our witnesses and everything like that. So it turned out the way that that report turned out. It's pretty much everything's in there and it and it. You know, we we still don't know what it

is. We contemplated what it may have been. You know, there was i mean, theories all over the place. What the red object is, you know, what it's made of? Is it man made? What fake? And how would they fake it? You know, we looked at everything, but we concluded that you know that the witness testimony was was genuine.

They were very honest with us. H they're they're a credible So you know, you have to look at it in that respects too, because this is sort of a forensics uh you know, I wouldn't hate to compare it to homicide investigation, but you have to depend a lot on witness testimony sometimes right to the facts in the case. And so you know, that's what we have to do in these instances. It's not perfect for we know that yeah, it's it's something, there's substance there, and we really believe that there

was some space and it was just so very intriguing. Uh, and the fact that they have these studies, and of course after that, you know, about a month later, you know, they get this sphere in their backyard. Now, these spheres, I've I've had reports all over the place and in one place in particular, which is you know kind of telling is both Iraq and I Miss and a lot of people have been reporting from those

areas, reporting these exact objects. Yeah. Now that the picture that you're talking about, the one where it was in their front yard, that's the one where it's by the palm tree. The artist's rendition the picture, Yeah, the sphere, the real picture, the real the red picture. Yes, that was in front, that is in the front yard. They have two palm trees in their front yard where estimate a few distances and how the conject moved and what little movement it did. Yeah, hearing that photo stream,

but yeah, it's it's it was right up in front. So you get an idea of how dark it, what's in the area, and how white affects with the camera and everything. And we yeah, it was pretty cool. And then you guys, I saw your analysis with the red laser to see what was similar and of course, if you reflect the laser off of something, it's kind of similar. But what's weirdness with her pictures? Like you said, it's it's in the front yard next to this palm tree.

There really doesn't look to be anything it could reflect off of, right, And yeah, we kind of were looking at everything. And that was Mark's Mark d'antonio's analysis. I think you've talked to him on your show before, but oh yeah, a couple of tens. Yeah, he's a really good guy. And we also had an investigator from our our state also looked at it and look at it and more of an analytical analysis and kind of gave a good idea. And there's so much more he could have done.

I gave him like a month or so to do it. But but yeah, it's it's it's a lot of work that went into the support and you know, we're trying to emulate that and a lot of the big cases now with the Star team. And even if they are cases that are explainable, like let's say the Missouri case explainable, right, let's write a report about it, Let's get it published and show people that process, right, Well, what we actually do in the field and I think people will gain that

respect and understanding what we do. Yeah, exactly. And that's the hard part with photographs, like you said, because really, even if you determine the photographs, it doesn't appear to be hoax there's no even with an analyst thing, you know there, it doesn't appear to be hoaxed. You never know for sure, and you have to rely on the witness testimony. And like you said, that's not one hundred percent, but sure at least it is a definitely it gives you something. Yes, yeah, it's it certainly

is. And uh, it's it's it's it's it's substance. There's something to this case, you know. Again, later on they had the objects show up once more or twice more. Actually he saw it far off in the distance, but the right at the instant. I think that happened about a month or so after we talked to him. Uh, it was on his roof. He came out the front door and he turned around. He saw the red light, you know, the glowing in the yard. He's like,

oh, where is it? You know, he's looking all over the place for it, and he turns around and it's right above his house, right literally from his roof, and he got of panicked and kind of like looked at it. And as soon as he looked at it, the things for the cop and you know, who knows what it is. It is so strange and in a and I've had other reports. I mean, we've had Boca Ratone, similar areas just north of there. We've have the same thing kind of show up there. This upright, uh you know, shape

and the thing that's they're intriguing about it. It's all primary color, like a laser like color like greens, blues and reds and and and it's the same shape. It's the same shape, and and what what the technology is and what the possibilities of it is. It's just, you know, it's it's very hard to pinpoint it. This is how weird. Now we'll post these just so the listeners know. I'll put the pictures on our YouTube and our you stream that we have when we do the show. And also if

I write a story, can I let people download the report? Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem. I guess, like I always have to get permission, so I don't it'll be a problem. But I can always I can always do that Okay, great, Yeah, let me know and then you know when soon after the uh people hear this will allow them to uh look at it, because, like you said it, it's important to show

the work. Uh. So people know that you you did go through that you're not just you know, arbitrarily declaring this is something strange that you did a lot of work to verify. Uh and a lot of Yeah, we're not calling and we're not calling it. You know, we're not saying it's extraterrestrial. We're not saying it's man made. We're not saying it's folks. We're just saying this is a mystery. We don't know what it is. You know, few facts about it, but that's what's intriguing. We did

learn a little bit. But you know, this isn't like a smoking gun. Definitely makes you think, I mean, it's a it's a it's it's something that really puts some thoughts into what's really out there. You know, it's there's something weird. You found anything weird you found with the soil. No what we found though, obviously in Florida, we fertilize our yards a lot and so we found a lot of it. We found a lot of the uh you know, the fertilizer type indicators in the soils, there was

nothing. There was no crystallization because of the heat physical effects of the soil. Most of the heat from my observation in the field, most of the effects occurred at the top portion of the grass. So it was a heat source from above and it didn't go all the way down. So this thing wasn't touching the ground. It must have been above the surface, and the

heat generated from this object burned in that area. And it's like it may have bobbed or moved a little bit while it was very close to the ground because it has just transferred over a little bit, and that's how it kind of got these two spots. It could have been, you know, as it just kind of bobbled around wherever it was doing down near the ground. So it's just a very strange effect that it had on the area. I mean, it was the heat and the lab analysis you know, pretty much

confirmed that, yeah, this is burned grass. Yeah, and but that's it. I think that's all that. The only physical effect that was probably left behind was the heat, you know, effects to the to the vestation. Uh and yeah, so it's so left no trace of hypercarbons, no fuel emissions, no, you know, no nothing. When we tested, we did a gas gas chromatograph sort of thing, and we were able to determine that, you know, there was nothing unusual other than that the grass

was burned. Uh, and there's no real spikes or of any sort of mystery substance I guess, or any foreign substance or any foreign effects. So you know, and they did everything else that we did in the field. They repeat it too, They did radiation, they did everything back and really nothing came up other than the fact that, yes, they confirmed that the grass was burned. Portions of the ashy was literally burnt vegetation material, so it must have been very hot at that point. So you know, that's

that's what we came up with. And I was just thinking, you can clearly tell that they're not Chinese lanterns, because of course the red orbs keep getting blown off as Chinese lanterns. He say, yeah, oh yeah, you know, and we do, and we we And it's such a punch too, because we actually have organizations now, you know, these little social groups. Now they go out and purposely take We really got to be careful

about it. I know those guys in New York got really pulled through a ringer with these guys that were launching tons of these balloons and flares on them. Yeah, tell the difference they look at distance. It's it's hard to tell the difference unless you've actually yeah, I seen it move and maneuver and say, yes, that's something unusual floats across the sky and sits there and stangles. And recently I took some video of uh of military flowers over the

Goldwater Range and I mean, they look weird. They're so dang bright and oh yeah, they're strange color. And if I just sent a clip to move on and made up some story that they zoomed off into the sky after I stopped recording, it'd be hard for someone to tell. Yeah, it really would. It's easy. Like I say to people, it is easy to fake. You have FOSK sighting. You can have the most extraordinary sighting of a giant object in the sky and it's real. Now you can have

somebody that's good at special effects or just constructive can replicate that. You know, because as human beings, we're very artistic, we're very intenuitive. We can actually make that fighting. Just like that triangle with the guy that made all the moving lasers and lights on it. Yeah, right, Oh that other thing looks incredible. Yeah, I think it was even an Irish guy, wasn't it. And uh yeah he made this triangle? Was the laser coming out of it? That was awesome? It looks so real, it

does. And so it's all job as investigators to really pour through. And that's what people say, Well, why do you call it insufficient data or or you know, when somebody doesn't get some money, you just ignore the case. Well, unfortunately, because of the bakery and because of the ingenuity of people, we have to say we require a witness in order to continue with the case. Now we can send it to the public, and so here it is, but there's no witness, sort of like the what were

the drones in California? You know, no witness. These wonderful pictures show up out of nowhere and there's no witness. Yeah, so it's it's hard. You know. Of course, somebody eventually chased this you know, this individual down and then no comment, no comment, and they figured out that it was probably him. But again it's kind of what we run into. So instead of getting burned on something and we just assume that it's from a real thing. We have to require a witness, and it's part of it.

Now we're almost out of time, but I did want to get to this other case that you had sent me an audio that we could listen to a witness who saw some a spear Cape Canaveral in the sixties. Yeah, sixty four. He's a retired Air Force pilot. He was not an Air Force pilot. I thought he may have been that he wasn't an Air Force pilot during that time, but he was obviously in the Air Force, I

believe. And he was out on a date on Cape Beach is what they call it, which was a sort of a a inner coastal beach near on the northern side of Cape Canaveral. So there was a beach out there, and there was he said, there's roughly three to four hundred people out there, and you know, on the pH dogs, kids running around, you know, a hot dog stand, guy with his little friend trailer with hot dogs. You know, you're trying to think of a typical nineteen sixty four

day on the beach, you know, that's what it was. Yeah, and you know this, this this strange object, this ball bearing like sphear, pops straight down out of the sky right over the kind of like where the water meets the beach and just sits there, and it has like these these rings like a gyroscope around it that are kind of rotating around it in different directions, so like kind of like like rings that are kind of like not touching the spear, but just hanging out. And they had one had

yellow lights in it or yellow lighting of some sort. The other one had I think I think he said, greener, greener, red, and they would just it would just sit there broad daylight, and everybody just stops and looks at this thing. The whole beach. It just stops. And then a few moments later they just recording and you can let the recordings speak for itself. But they just walk off the beach like nothing happened, like there's nothing going on, he said. They just walk off the beach like not

a panic. They just get out of there. They just all leave after the thing off. So yeah, you can really hear the inflection in his

voice, you can really hear the sincerity from him. He remembers it like it was yesterday or the beach, and we got out and we went up over sand dunes and down on to the beach, and she and I had turned and started walking west, and there was some ideas two or three hundred people there on that little stretch of beach, and all of a sudden it got quiet, and she and I turned around and everybody was standing there looking up. And we looked up and there was this thing, I say,

about four or five hundred feet in the air. This thing reminded me of the reminded me of the like a a steel a ball of steel ball. It was real shiny, and they had two rings, one horizonally other pirtcle that run around it, and they were fuzzy yellow, yellowish green. And these things they pulsated and the wing did, the wing did right, the ked like they would expand a little and then contract. And this thing was just hanging there. It wouldn't wobbling or moving it all, and everybody stood

there. We stood there a good two three minutes looking at it, and the thing finally started rising real slowly and went in the matter of the less than three or four seconds, that thing shot straight out sight straight up, and funny thing over this. Everybody on that beach all of a sudden picked up and packed up their stuff, not seeing the word, just walked up over dunes, out of the cars in the parking lot, got in the cars started going home. And I never saw thing in the paper about it.

And did thee did the people seem alarmed at all? Or that it was all real calm? There was no uh, screaming hall or loving wow. And it means like everybody was mesmerized. All right, that's that's strange. Yeah, that's what my thing is. I don't know. At the time that I saw it, I wasn't panicky or anything. I just I guess in my mind I was trying to figure out what I was looking at.

Sure, absolutely, because I was, uh well at that time, I was working out on the cape and uh the girl I was with when we were on the way back into town, she said, what was that? And I said, I have no idea. Well, and what year in location? Did you see this? Again? Is here from about nineteen sixty four, Okay, And like I said, I read the newspapers and watched the local TV stations and everything. About a week or two. There

was never a word printed or a word reported on it. Well, yeah, that's not uncommon either, because we did a lot of sightings where people just don't report them, and well that had happened for I don't know. It just seemed like all of us didn't say anything about it. She asked me, was she at the time? She said, you can just one of them things they called you have both. I said, well, it wasn't frying, I said, it was just hanging there. Yeah, I

said, it didn't make any noise. It was hanging there, and all of a sudden something pulled it straight outside, straight up, And I know good and will it wasn't a reflection because of the position of the sun and what I saw there. Yeah, when you were you were able to pick

out some pretty good details. I mean, obviously it wasn't the sun or anything like that, but well you see those round steel uh uh uh and what they're like marbles, but they're bearing with a steel bearing, like a steel bearing, And I thought I could see truth the thing went I I was first looking at it, but it wasn't that I could see blue sky through the two rings. It was their surface of this thing was so reflected.

It was reflecting the blue sky was the surface and on the on the bottom side that you could tell it was like, uh, you old bearing. Wow? And how how big do you think it was? Can you can you at? I mean was like an arm length if you were to hold out a non object like a quarter or a tennis ball or something. And how how big was it comparative if you arms length, I'd say about the size of tennis ball. Okay? And uh, this thing was this

thing? I adventures say the thing wasn't over uh fifteen hundred feet in the year. And I'm sorry you were I cut you off before, But what where did you say you saw this? What beach was that? It was just a little it was I think it was an you know that more than it wasn't a beach. Actually it was a waterway that has a little beach front on it. So I think it's from what they called the Indian River or Banana River, Okay. And it was just north as the Cape Okay.

And the cape is are you talking about the east coast of Florida Cape or Yeah, they used to call it a Cape Canaveral Okay. Yeah. And I guess the weather was normal and nothing. Yeah, there wasn't a cloud in the sky, and it was nice and shurning and warm. And what time do you think it was doing? This was around actually one o'clock, shortly after in the afternoon. Okay. Do you know if any of

the or the other witness is still around or contactable about the event? Oh, I'm sure there's still around or scattered, because like I said, there was at least two hundred part more people been on that little beachfront, uh strip of land. Okay. And when we first come over and down onto the beach area, Oh, there's this kids out there running and arms and they had these what they call boom boxes or and you could hear them going. But it got quiet. I mean, they got real quiet, and

that's the reason we turned around. Everything went quiet all of a sudden. And I mean, do you remember what the reaction of the people were. I mean, were they all standing very still or were they reacting? Were they pointing at it? Were they doing anything like that? No, it was just like they well I was doing the same thing. We were standing there just looking up at and nobody pointing or anything, just standing there looking at it. And when the thing finally disappeared, do what the word said.

I mean, it was just like just like watching a bunch of sobbies walk up over the hill on the mountain. The parking lot here, everybody got in their cars, started calling up and left. Even that they that there was a uh a vendor that had a little uh stand that day, so hamburgers and hot dogs and everything in the parking lot, and even that guy was packing up and closing down his little thing and hooking it up the hall. It all even he left. Unbelievable. And I couldn't explain it

to her because we just got their kittn around left. So I don't know. We just want the strangest things I've ever in gown hurting my life. This thing was close enough if it if it had had a conventional end, didn't or something like that, you'd heard it, But we didn't hear a thing. The only thing I could distinguish was the slight breeks blowing up through the the uh the grass and this tone uh like cat tails and everything on the sand dunes. Did not hear that whipping truth the uh sort the grass

and everything, and that's all you could hear. Did you did? Did anybody have like dogs? With them out there or anything like that, you remember, like, yeah, I think there might have been one or two dogs, but uh, I don't recall singing the dogs running around during the time we were observing before theever, it was okay, And what about obviously you're out near the water and Missus Florida being did you notice the seagulls or

any any other wildlife lying around like they usually? Yeah, a thing about that was the only thing in the in the sky okay that the cars ar it was, Oh, it was just like somebody has hung it there. I stumbled upon him. He was another case. He was a father of another witness. So this guy he saw a strange light when he was at work at night, and then he said, oh, by the way,

my father has something that happened to him back in nineteen sixty four. Start talking to him, and he became a new case, And so it was really interesting to hear that. I love the historical cases. They're always fun to research and find out. And if anybody in your listening audience, there's anybody that may have had the same thing happen during nineteen sixty four on Cape Beach is when he called it right off the coast there in the inner coastal

beach near Cape Canaveral in nineteen sixty four in the summer. I think, hey, let us know, because we only have one way right now. If we get a couple more witnesses, it'll become a much more solid case and be really interesting to see when other people interpret it. All right, great, well we are out of time. Thank you so much. And I wanted to mention too, because we talked about UFO Soccer. That's just ufostoccer dot com, where there's a map and the sightings pop up on the

map, which is kind of cool. If you haven't seen that, we've talked about it on the show before, you'll want to check that out. But even cooler, you're going to have this kind of similar thing but even more robust and better on your mobile phone called UFO Connect and that's at ufoconnect dot com. And thank you so much for coming and telling those about it. Morgan, not a problem. It's always a pleasure and I love listening to your show, so it's a cool, awesome. Yeah, the time

flies, huh you had? I mean that seems like we just started and we're ahead. I was thinking you know, we've got an hour to talk about the stuff, and it went by in no time and we probably could have gone on more. Oh yeah, I've got so many other things, and well we'll have you on. Then again, I could talk about more later. Thanks for coming on, absolutely, thank you, and I really

enjoyed it, and thank you for joining us as well. Be sure to tune in next week for another amazing show with Open Minds Radio, and check out openminds dot tv for those cool stories that I talked about. Talk to you later, people,