Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and believe it or not, I am joined all the way from Russia by Martin Willis. Y. Yeah, and you sound like you're you're here with me in the room. I know what a clear signal. This skype is amazing. Yeah, this is incredible. So how are you doing out there? Oh? I'm doing great. I'm in a town called Novarest Sea Skits, where my girlfriend's parents are. And you know, it's the
largest Russian military presence. It's on the Black Sea and they have a base here and so it's known for that, but it's also known for rolling hills with vineyards and champagne and beluga caveat not the beluga we're thinking of like the big round whales, but the beluga is like a salmon in Russian. And also cement. The mountains are made of limestone and it's the oldest cement factories along here, so that you can see the stripping away the mountains. But
it's a real beautiful The Black Sea is really beautiful. Wow, that's where that event I think we talked about it last week where that Polish video over the Black Sea and people assumed it was a Russian video and there was a whole mess. We did a UFO report on it. There must be a real buzz in the community about that. They must be inundating you with questions about those UFO videos. Well, i'll tell you there. If you google an over a sisk on you, you'll find all kinds of sightings here.
Is a really is a great one. I posted a short blog on my website about this cigar shaped video. It's really a crazy video. But there's
a lot of uh, there's a lot of sightings here. And also there's these things that I'm going to be hiking a mountain and it's going to be a little difficult because I'll i sprain my ankle, but I have to go see the They're called Dolman's and yeah, they're ancient, ancient little houses, little huts that could be ten to twenty five thousand years old now, and they most of them have these little round holes where you can get in and out of them. Of course I'm not gonna I don't think I'm gonna go
in one of them. But there's all kinds of local folklore here that there's uh, there's UFO sightings around them all the time. There's uh, there's possible abduction accounts. And my girlfriend's father actually says that when he goes near them he gets a really bad headache. Now it could be because of the elevation, so I don't know, it could be because of that. But still I can't wait to go see them and there. Like I said, there's a lot of sightings here. I have been trying to reach out to
local ufologists here and having a lot of trouble. I've had some people help me, you know, on the back in the States that have connections over here, and as well as Philip Mantle did some work with some Russians over here, so he's trying to connect me with someone, but I haven't been able to land anyone. I'd really like to talk UFOs while I'm here in Russia with someone. Yeah, that would be cool. So, and you
had an interesting story about your leg. You hurt yourself, and I had injured myself a month ago, and there's nothing like spraining ankle and ankle and then re spraining it. Yeah, oh it's so bad. But so my girlfriend I get home and this is my girlfriend's mother. She grew up I think it was Kazakhstan, and there was no plumbing in the house and no anything, you know, so they lived off the land. So first thing
she does, she shreds a cabbage. She takes the cabbage and she puts it in saran wrap, tightly wraps it around my ankle, and then an ace bandage over it. And I'm thinking, I'm, you know, like, okay, all right whatever, and ice was good enough for me. But you know, the next day, I could walk on it. And I don't know if you know, maybe it's a psychosomatic or something, but
I'm doing actually really well awesome. You know, I was thinking, as you said that it would be funny, you know, just if they're playing a trick on you. You know, you have the foreigner, your daughter's boyfriend. You're already kind of who's this joker? Yeah, no, oh yeah, it'd be like, well, sure if we put cactus on your leg, but it works, it's working for you, huh yeah. And by the way, you just kind of reminded me there are uh, we're
not really liked that much here. I've been introduced to a few different people in Americana, and you know, on and on and on and you hear the word Obama, and you know. And then this woman actually said, I was standing on a cliff over the black seat taking a picture of my girlfriend, her and the group that was standing there talking, and she said, I want to go over and push him off and kill him right now. About wow about you? Yes, wow, yeah. My girlfriend just
she got such a kick out of it. She actually went up. She saw her again tonight, went up to talk to her tonight to get more. She just thought it was really funny. Oh good, Yeah, at least you know your girlfriend didn't get man want to throw her off the cliff. No. Wow, that's pretty wild. We'll be careful out there, buddy, that's right. Yeah. And then you said they have open minds blocked. Huh, you know you are what are they called gell blocked?
That absolutely cannot get to your site. And I even I even took you send me a bunch of stories, and I took and I I copied in and pasted in Google to see if I could get to the website somehow that way. And I've tried all different browsers. Nothing works. I can't get to it. Give me for like, give me the number for the department of internet, so I can give him a call and say, hey, I'm both guests. Man. Yeah, I don't think you can get a hold of anyone here for any reason at all. This shut up. They
shut the hot water off. You only get hot water for two hours a day and that. It's really strange like that. But Poot does come here all the time, to this town at least once a month. Wow. Really because of the base here? Yeah? Wow? Cool? Well cool, So it sounds like you're having a good time and your chihuahua's out there. He having a good time. He is, yes, and he's he's been flirted with by by Russian chihuahas, but he does have his boundaries.
So now there's Russian chias. Oh yeah, lots of them. I couldn't believe how many. Oh, how cool. That's really cool. Well are they treating him nice even though he's an American dog? Yeah, I don't think they. They're not really getting into it that much. You know, it's like surf surface up their meeting and and they're just not getting into conversations.
M okay, right. They sniff each other and they do have they do have a great accent though when they bark yeah, oh cool, Yeah, yeah, dogs are are We can learn a lot from chihuahua's about relations, I think. But all right, well, I guess I should mention who my guest is today. That's gonna be Michael Twitchell in just a minute. It's kind of a short interview because I guess, well, the topic is not typically what we cover. It's more along the lines of technology.
It's called ether gravity. So we did talk about about a bit about kind of its relations to ancient aliens. And that's where you know, local guy, nice guy, and he had come by. He's spoken at a couple of Tesla Tech conferences and shared his book with me, and he said he wanted to you know, he wants to talk about uh, this relation of this this kind of concept with with ancient aliens. So I wasn't familiar with you know, concepts of the ether and and and energy and propulsion and things
like that. So we talked about that and that'll come up in a minute. But first, well we got you. Let's talk some UFO news with Martin. Okay, yeah, Well, I want to talk about your stomping grounds when you can get away out in San Diego. So earlier this month, several witnesses in San Diego observed mysterious lights in the sky that they couldn't identify. And this is one where they tweeted the heck out of this with
their videos and everything. So, you know, I want to talk a little bit about that how social media is kind of changing this whole thing. Now. The guy actually gave his name. His name is Garrett Conder, and he's a high school sophomore. And this will happened while he was watching the Chargers on TV back on September three, and it was right around eight o'clock and he yelled at his family to come outside and he considered. He called this, in his own words, this is the first piece of you
UFO evidence I've ever seen in the sky. And it was a diamond shape. So that that makes me think that he's been looking or he has some type of interest. The way he the way he talks, you know, these are his own words, like I said, So, they formed this diamond shaped formation and flying above and below each other, and then they blinked
out one at a time. Now, you know, some people were saying that while this could be possibly Chinese landings because they do blink out like that, but there was someone that else also commented that they were a little bit too much in a formation for that, and I believe you can correct me if I'm wrong. That someone in south Tulivisa is about I think about forty fifty miles south if I remember right from San Diego, and there was someone
that filmed a very similar object. I think it's even closer. Actually, I think you know, I loved the next door I lived there, Oh he did, late seventies. In the seventies, I lived east of Toola Vista. Yeah, it's another whole story for anyway, it is fairly close, but I was thinking it was forty miles. It could be less, maybe twenty miles something like that. But anyway, so just that someone saw a very similar or possibly the same. I couldn't see the images of it.
Again, your site is jill Block, so I can't really see any of these pictures, but it seems like a real interesting sighting anyway. Yeah, it was kind of cool, you know, like you said, the guy the kid seemed like he was into UFOs. So I went to go look at his Skype and see who he or his Twitter account to see who he was communicating with and see if other people had told him on Twitter whether
or not they had seen the sighting. And there was a whole Twitter conversation he had with a few people about it, including other witnesses like the Chola Vista one, and he was a follow of ours on Twitter. So yeah, like, like you said, it seems like he's into this topic. So I haven't checked because I did tweet, you know, I tagged him in my tweet when I tweeted the story. But yeah, there's a couple
other Twitter videos that he was able to find of this sighting. It could be Chinese lanterns, but I included a video where actually these guys launched some lanterns to test them and see what they look like and see if they look like UFOs, So people can check that out with the story. But yeah, there's this whole Twitter Twitter phenomena happening around this incident. And it's kind of funny is that's where the whole reporting kind of sent was centered around.
Was you know, was posted on Twitter, and they posted all their sightings on Twitter, and all these videos that we have of it are you know, often they'll post them on YouTube, but these are all Twitter videos, so kind of cool Twitter UFO event here in Sane Diego. I also think, you know, I mean, YouTube is basically social media as well.
So when I say, or when you know a lot of videos are put out there through YouTube, I like what one of the guests I had on my show said, he uses YouTube for entertainment because because we just don't know what's real and what's not. But when you know someone's associating their name with something, at least they're most likely sincere. Yeah. Yeah, and some of these, like the stories Roger mars Marsh writes about one I'm going to
talk about. Actually, next is our videos that they receive from people and then they put them on their moof on YouTube. So yeah, let's get into this next one. This one's really cool. This was in New York in an area that is called I can't remember what it's called, but you could see, oh it's the town of Brookhaven that Long Island, Yeah, Long Island, north shore of Long Island. And so this guy videotaped something. He said, this was April seventeenth, at about ten thirty pm.
He saw red and blue lights out there and they were moving pretty fast, so he didn't know what they were, so he started to record them with his phone. And the video is kind of neat, and some people are saying it's a drone, and I guess it is possible, but this thing covers a big distance and this thing's cruising, I mean, it is moving really fast, so you can see it in the video, So I think
this video is interesting. Of course, it's moving too fast to be like a balloon or Chinese lantern, so I guess it could be a drone. But man, this thing is covering some distance and moving really fast. So pretty cool video that was posted that we just posted. You probably haven't got to see it yet since you're in Russia and Russia hasn't unblocked YouTube or our
site yet. But but if it's on YouTube, But now, okay, to know when you speak with someone like Mark D'Antonio, what the fastest you know, like I wouldn't say commercial grade drones are, but what are the fastest drones? I mean, do they go two hundred miles an hour? Well? You know who would know best and I and I should ask him, but I haven't. Is Michael Klein, the guy, our video guy
here. He has a friend that races drones. So now they have a thing where they race them, and so they customize these drones and they're really fast zipping around. However, you know they're still you're still a bit limited, especially at night by a distance, because you can't lose track of that drone. If you lose track of it, especially these ones sich are hundreds of dollars, you'll lose it, you know, and you'll lose all your money. So there's that concern. But you know what, Let mean,
he's right here, he just happened to walk by. I'll ask him real quick. Those racing drones, Yes, how fast do they go? You think, oh gosh, they very what's the fastest I've seen them? I feel like to sixty Wow, up to sixty miles an hour, so that's pretty good. Cool, Yeah, cool, Wow, that's fast. Thanks. Yeah, that's cool as walking. So plus or minds ten about seventy
miles per hour. So when you're when you're seeing something like a video of something, it is unless you can have some type of triangulation or something like that, there's no way to really tell it is something's going. But I mean, you can compare it to the other lights and this thing seems to be You're exactly right, though, but this thing looks to be over lights that are at least one hundred feet away or something, or maybe a couple
hundred feet or maybe even further. So of course, the further you go, then the more distance this thing is covering. So you're right, it's really hard to tell. But people have to watch this video. I mean, this thinge is cruising, so see what they think. And it seems like, you know, quite a distance away. So yeah, kind of a cool video. And then finally, the last thing I want to mention, I'm actually writing this story now, I haven't even posted it yet.
I actually was in Vegas Friday and Saturday because I did a talk there Friday about, you know, kind of pondering the idea is Bob Lazaar And this was at the National Atomic Testing Museum where they have an Area fifty one display where they include aliens and UFOs and stuff in the display, which is cool. But of course Bob Lazar is the guy who brought that whole concept of
aliens at Area fifty one. So discussing whether or not it could possibly be a disinformation kind of project, and I compare it to the known disinformation scandal we know about with Richard Dodie. So that's what my talk is, and we videotaped it, so we'll have it up hopefully by the time you get back, actually maybe even later this week so people can see that. But so I didn't get to write this story, and I'm writing it now,
and we're going to interview the producer Bryce Stable about this. But Bryce Sable was able to talk with some other production companies and they're going to produce a movie based on Kathleen Martin her book Captured. She wrote this with Stanton Friedman. But this book is about her aunt, Betty Hill, So it's about the whole Betty Hill and Barney Hills story. And it's going to be a Hollywood movie. The guys who did May's Runner I Guess have partnered up and
they're going to help produce this. And this May's Runner thing is getting to be a huge move, a huge deal. You know, the second movies come out at the first one, I Guess was a blockbuster. So yeah, that's that's pretty exciting news. Yeah, Kathleen Martin, I've run into her all the time. It seems like every time I go to a conference, and she's there and she's a real sweetheart and I always like to hear her talk. She comes up with she seems to reveal more and more about
herself. There's some connections with her. And when I was out in Phoenix last year for your conference out there, I had her talk about her own abduction experiences, which is a lot of people are not aware of that. So the niece of Betty Hill is claimed to have abduction experiences. Yeah, yeah, I've talked to her, came out about that. But yeah,
like you said, at first, she didn't talk much about it. She kind of mentioned it, and she still hasn't revealed a whole lot, but some and she seems to talk more and more about it as time goes on. Yeah, and other family members she did mention that too, so interesting stuff. Yeah, well we did that at the same time, the whole interesting stuff thing. That's what happens when you do this. Yeah, well,
this is really cool that you're in Russian we're able to talk. Maybe if you can, you know, if if putting It is there while you're there, talk to them about the open minds thing. Maybe if you could talk to him a little bit about this thing. In uh in Syria, and maybe even just about world peace in general. I think that'd be really helpful. So but open minds first. Yeah, you got to have your priorities, that's so, and then get to the world piece stuff later if
you got time, If you have time, yeah, sounds good. All right, have fun out there and be safe. Watch out for those anti American old ladies I know. Yeah, I'll have to dress one of those horizontal striped shirts that all the Russians where so i'll fit in. Yeah, oh they do. Yeah, bring one back. I want to see that or take a picture. Yeah yeah, all right, man, we'll do all right. Thanks so much. Well, I'll be here next week and hopefully we'll be able to talk again. Awesome, that'll be great. We'll
be fresh back from mouf On. All right. I am excited to be here with Mike Twitchell, who You've got some interesting theories when it comes to energy and propulsion and how it might relate to the ancient alien theory. Right, that's right, so cool. Well, why don't we start off if maybe you can tell us a little bit about your background. I'm an electrical engineer and I work every day as a software engineer. But I wrote Ether Gravity in about two thousand and five. I started it and then in twenty
eleven finished it and it's been for sale on Amazon dot Com. And the last couple of years, I've spoke at the Tesla Tech conference. Last year I spoke on ether gravity, and then this year I spoke on ether physics.
So I'm just trying to promote the ether gravity theory. And I think the Ancient Aliens show is awesome, and there's a lot of things on that show that, you know, really imply that ancient aliens have an influence on some of those stone carvings, and you know how they levitated those iron stones using some sort of anti gravity technology, and this theory sort of applies in those areas. So I guess going back to how did you begin to get
interested in this topic, that's a good question. You know. I had a vision, Alejandro. It was about two thousand and five, and I had this vision of the biological universe where the milky Way was like the sort of the the root tip of a plant like, and as the root tip of this plant was winding through the soil of the universe, the soil of the universe was the ether, and I knew that this that everything that was
alive in the Milky Way was alive needed nutrition to survive. So my vision was that the milky way was was like the tip root of this the tip of a root of a of a plant root, and it was absorbing the soil around it through the xylum up. The new the way a plant works is the xylum is the path where the nutrients from the soil come up into the plant, and the phylum is the outer part where the energy from the
the sun the photosynstitis comes down through the plant the other way. So so in this vision, we were like the down in the soil absorbing the nutrients from the ether. And then once I, you know, I used this model, I started to write about gravity and everything fell into place. I never found any gravitational phenomena that couldn't be explained with this, uh this theory. Wow, that that's pretty interesting. When did this happen? When did
you have this vision? Two thousand and five? Oh? Really, so you had this vision and you started writing a book. Then immediately no, no, I went into uh uh it was not a really what I would call it a pretty uh situation. Uh. It was kind of shock to my system. There was a couple of years where I stopped. I wrote a comedy screenplay, and then eventually I h I said, you know what, I better, you know, write this down, and I got the
courage up to write it down. And then it was a giant, I won't say giant book, but I wrote down a ton of stuff, and then I had to sort of peel back what went into the ether gravity book because the stuff I wrote was about ether gravity and the biological universe, and so I had a lot of stuff I've already written about the biological the universe that I haven't published yet. But I just thought, that's not highest priority
is this ether gravity stuff. So I pulled out the ether gravity stuff from all that I had written and self published this book I have on ether gravity. So I guess, for in layman terms, how would you describe ether gravity? Okay, so the ethers the tiny little particles that I transmit light. I used to call it the luminiferous ether back in the day of you know, before Einstein came out with this empty space model that is not valid.
All the greatest scientists of the late eighteen hundreds knew about the ether. You know, all the greatest scientists that had studied electricity and electromagnetic fields and like you know Hurts, you know, Ampere, Faraday, J. J. Thompson, all these great scientists thought there was an ether. Even Newton thought there was an ether. And so this ether is there, and this empty space model that that Einstein came up with and explained away with his equations
is invalid. You can't have I mean, for instance, look at a black hole. A black hole is a hole in. What is it a hole in? If there's nothing there to have a hole in, you can't have an empty space model. So the ether model says basically, if you look at like, for instance, the Solar system, you look at it like a whirlpool of where the matter is absorbing ether. That's the one thing that drives the theory. Just like the soil just not seeing the plant,
the xionum absorbs the soil. Here we have the song absorbing the ether. So it's and the Earth is absorbing the ether. So that as the ether is moving in and being absorbed, its stretched base around it, and that stretching creates the force. So and there's another thing that needs to be remembered. So you have two principles. One the ether has to be absorbed by the matter, and two the Bernoulli's principle applies, so that faster. It's
like water through a pipe. As the pipe tapers. If a pipe, you have a pipe with water flowing through and then it tapers, the water speeds up. So as it speeds up to get through that lesser diameter portion of the pipe, the flux has to remain the same. So when the flux has to remain the same, that means that the smaller part of the pipe, the water speeds up. When it speeds up, the pressure actually goes down because those particles are separating. Just like ear over the wing of
a plane. The particles separate the speed up to get over the curved portion of the of the plane wing. So as they separate, that creates lesser pressure gives it the lift. So with gravity, this is a lesser uh you know, with the flow of the ether being absorbed into the sounar into the earth, it's it's being stretched and is speeding up to get into the smaller volume. Because it's moving into a smaller volume, this is going in. So those two principles really describe why the theory works. Okay, So
I'm a layman myself, so and trying to understand this. So I guess would it be true then that gravity because of course, you know, larger bodies have have more gravity. Would it be because they're sucking more ether? Right? And so would it be kind of a thing where the ether then is kind of pushing down it is gravity? Yeah? I mean yes, uh huh. And this is interesting because I mean, we nobody understands gravity, right, that's because they don't understand it because they've been using this empty
space model. And I actually have a theory about this. It's a conspiracy theory if you will will about Einstein. No scientist has ever been becoming like a rock star in the media and publicity and all that like Einstein was. I think they put Einstein on a peed oft on purpose because they wanted people
to believe the empty space theory. Because they knew that knowing about the ether was was important, and it was dangerous and it could be used for weapons as a matter of national security, all kinds of different reasons why they would They wouldn't want, you know, important knowledge about the ether to be common knowledge. So entertaining this idea or or exploring this for a minute. What
sort of weapons could be created with this knowledge? Well, if you're looking at an atomic bomb, that fusion, right or just say fission, you know, like atoms like scattering. And I'm not a nuclear physicist, but you know an atom is a massive amount of ether coming into it. You know if you if you assimilate that to an ether particle on fission going on with ether particles, you might have an even more power because you're talking tinier,
tinier levels of space. Mhm. I believe there's there's this, there's levels of space. My my theory has led me to believe in nested black holes, so that because as the light is coming into a black hole, it gets stretched until those magnetic vortices that bond the ether particles are coming in and they break and then when they when they break, they you can't see the light and the vibration separate too far to transmit the light. But yeah,
I talk about this in a Tesla Tech convention. Uh and uh, and the it's in the my article that I wrote on in the Extraordinary Extraordinary Technology magazine. But I'm sort of getting off. You asked me, what sort of weapons. M h yeah, I can't really, I don't like to think in form of weapons. Well, I'm just curious because Einstein, I mean, he said that he became kind of a rockstar because he was he wasn't intelli. He said some interesting things. I mean, he was
very wise. There's sorts of great quotes that came from him. And in practical sense, I mean, his science led to the nuclear bombs, so his science was certainly very dangerous too. Well, I can't say this, Alejandro. The ether goes into the Earth, It's absorbed into the Earth, right, So I mean feasibly you could blow up an entire planet. I mean, you get a vibrating you know, it's everything is everything is vibration
and frequency. Right. So I mean if you understan in the ether and how that the matter particles connect through magnetic vortices in the ether, you know, and you understand all this, you can create weapons that might destroy a whole planet. Is not good. I mean you look at the asteroid belt that used to be a planet. That could be the remnants of some great you know, stellar war that that occurred. You know, I mean,
art could have just blown up for its own reasons. I talk about moon birth in my theory where the inner core of the Earth is solid and it could have been birthed out of a hotspot through super volcano. And there's a lot of evidence that I put into my book on how the moon could have came from the center of Earth. And it also aligns up with my biological universe theory where the plant. You have a plant and it sprouts a new branch, Well, the moon could be you know, like that new branch.
You know when you look at Jupiter, Jupiter has a lot of moons, it could be that it is your birth all those moons. This is part of my biological universe theory. Interesting. So when it relates to ancient aliens, do you think then that there is evidence or at least something that's led you to believe that there were people or beings on this planet that understood
the ether gravity. Yeah, because, for instance, if you look at prehistoric Malta, the Tarxian temples made in thirty one hundred BC, you see these limestone relief carvings and you see four spirals and then you see a hole at the center and in the midst of all this relief carving. You see tiny little dots, you know over the radio. It's hard to show, but this is a famous carving. These tiny little dots to me represent the particles, you know, to eat the particles, and the four spirals are
in a formation where they would repel. So if you have a different inductance between wires, if you run current down two wires and the wires are going the same way they attract, the wires are going opposite ways, they repel. So and you look at and use the right hand rule to look, it's like you're looking down the wires of this carving. Then you see that the formation of them are is is in and out, in and out, which is repelling. So this carving hans and the center of it is a
space. Well, if you're stretching space with magnetic feels and creating repelling like that, you could actually create a wormhole or a hole in space, and then other space would want to fill it in and that would be anti gravity depending on the geometry that you used. So you think that might be an indication that they knew how to utilize anti gravity end or create some sort of space time portal. Yeah, and you see the same thing at the westray
Stone two to four thousand BC in Scotland. You see four spirals and they're configured such that it would be a repelling situation with the magnetic fields. And you see a hole in the center of the four spirals in the Western Stone, and there's other ones. I don't have a complete list. But how did these ancients know to carve this stuff? And why can I look at
it now with my theory that I wrote in the Handsomest Vision? Why can I look at it now and immediately see something that either means anti gravity or a wormhole? So and where do you suspect do you think that? I mean, what do you feel about how they received that technology or those ideas? Well? I think ancient Aliens came here, And you know, I love the Ancient Aliens show and I've seen probably every episode. But I think they came here and they, as they talk about on the show, they
used man to build stuff that they wanted, like the pyramids. Pyramids of Giza is like a giant machine that points to Orion. And I think it's obvious, like if you look at Puma Punku, those h blocks, those are amazing. You know that that and a site. The only thing that can cut that is diamond, and you have they're cut to intricately in the
shape of those h's that they can't figure out what that is. I saw the the show on In Search of Aliens with Georgio and they were talking about the Roswell Rock, and the whole show was trying to figure out whether the rock was real. They found it at the in Albuquerque. Some guy found it near the Roswell crash site, and anyway, they couldn't say that the rock wasn't real, but they didn't talk much about the symbol on the rock. And I have this theory and I presented at the Tesla Tech in twenty
fifteen just this August on what that symbol means on the Roswell Rock. It's it's I don't have a picture in front of me here, but basically that's the same idea as this magnetic feel interaction that I was talking about earlier, where you have the Roswell Rock. If you look at it, you can see it's two spinning objects and they're colliding there, so they're going in opposite directions. And when you have opposite I'm sorry, when they go in the
same direction. You have a collation in the center magnetically and if you look at that, I think that's what that means. Yeah, I think that that symbol was originally seen in a crop circle. Yeah, it's in the crop circuit. M Yeah. So interesting. So with the you know, this this technology, if they had, you know, an understanding like you've mentioned, how would you utilize like, do you know, you know kind of generally, how one might utilize that to hover or make a large rock,
you know, hover or something. Yeah. There's a guy named ed leaitskilln who built the Coral Castle in the nineteen fifties actually very recently, and he had the capability, he knew the technology to levitate these rocks. And it was the same technology that they used in the you know, ancient times to build Stonehenge and build the pyramids. Uh. He somehow had the secret. And I bought his book, Magnetic Current, that you can buy if
you go on the website. And it's interesting. The first thing you read in this book it says, when you read this writing face east, which you know catches you off guard when when you buy a book, and it says, when you read this face east right, and I looked at the book and it was a little pamphlet in but one day I read it facing east, and I swear to God, I got more out of that that
time than I had in the previous times i'd looked at the book. But he goes into details of you know, how to build certain equipment and use the equipment and certain configurations, and it's like a giant lab experiment the whole book. So I can't say that I learned how to live people's rocks from that book, but I know that what he does he puts. He puts some like a box at the top. It's like a tripod I don't know, ten twenty feet tall more. And then he has a big box and
nobody knew what was in that box at the top. So somehow vibrating the stone, you vibrate the stone to reduce its gravitational profile somehow, because everything is vibration, and the ether is coming into the earth, it's being stretched and it's just like a guitar string. If you pull it tighter, it vibrates faster. And this ether's being stretched into the earth, it's being pulled tighter it so it's vibrating faster and you could be vibrant writing at the human
frequency, which is the resonant frequency of the Earth about eight hertz. But there's something going on there with that, and I can't say that I know what it is. And if I did know, I don't know if i'd say publicly because I could start my own power company with the seekert. Right, you bring a rock up to the you know, you vibrate a rock, make it real light, you bring it up, and then once it gets heavy again, you let it fall down. Generates power, right,
m hm. You got a billion dollar idea there, So do you think that's that's? I guess how would that work? I mean, how would just vibrating a rock make it hover or gravity? Yeah, Lejandro, I I don't know. I kind of told you most of what I know. I believe me. I think about this stuff and I read things about it, and I'm hoping that one day the light bulb is going to go off.
But yeah, it's because of what gravity is. You know, you have the momentum of these particles coming down and they have mass, you know, but they also have a you know, frequency, Everything is a wave. It has to come down to what's the definition of force. Then you can say, oh, forced ecles mass times acceleration or force equals mass times what is it G one G two over our squared or the magnetic equation of
force. But when you look at the full space model actually presented on this I talked about the this is the thing I came up with with the tidally wink theory. And it's basically, you look at the line from Star Wars, let the force be with you, right. So this tidally wink theory that I came up with because I was trying to describe why an object can move through space if it's full right, If this full space can have the force of gravity, then why can an object move through full space without slowing
down? Right? And that was the thing that I could not explain. And what I'm not sure if it's right, But I came up with this thing I called the tatally Wink theory. I don't know if you ever played tidly wins when you're a kid, But you push down on something from behind and I put it on a table like a little plastic thing, and you push down and it pops and squirts out. You know, you try to land it into the jar. Some people might not know what tinleywinks are.
But so the concept is once you start something in motion through the ether, that it has a resistance from the front. But then space is so compact that that it creates a vacuum from behind when it when it does so, and then stuff moves in to fill that vacuum from behind, because there can't be a vacuum right And when it moves in and fill the vacuum from behind, it creates an equal and opposite force as was the resistance from the front.
That's that's what I call the tadlelywink effect. So it's just the theory. There's no experimount proof except every day. You know, when you do anything, you create a force. You're creating electricity. Basically, when you create a force because you're you're electricity. Is the flow of ether. Basically our solar system is as we're spinning around the Sun, that's a giant current
of ether. You know, is the the from west to east on the Earth is the is the ether moves from west to east with the Earth as is being sucked down in that's a current. So it's a flow of space. And when you do anything, if you just wave your hand in the air like I'm doing now. You can't see it. That's creating electricity because you're you're creating a flow of ether. You're creating a vacuum and then immediately
gets filled. You know, the space is so compact. That's why light moves so fast, because it's so compact when it comes to like the box with the coral castle, and he wrote a book about it, has anybody to your knowledge, it doesn't seem like anybody has been able to reproduce what he allegedly did. Yeah, I haven't seen any thing about anybody producing it. I know kids, Uh, some kids saw him. Uh he would work at night and some I heard that some kids saw him moving rocks around
like they were air balloons, like helium balloons. So you know, nobody has that I know, has ever reproduced. I know people have tried mm hmm and that. But you know that must have been the secret that those ancients have when they built the pyramids and and all these other giant stones around the world. You know, one hundred tons stones, I think is uh the maybe I don't know what stone that is. But then I'm not a great historian, so I can't tell you. So is that what the does
a book? Your book? Uh? What does it cover? Mostly? My book on ether gravity is is really a book on physics sort of, but it's written for the late person. I don't have any math in here. I actually have the book in front of me here. So is to
list off a few things. You know, the theory of gravitation, the shape of gravity, ether flow and speed, ether pressure and density, eastward gravity, mass and ether, light and radiation in the ether, inductance in the ether, ether inside the Earth, the supernova, and the ether bubble. So we didn't talk about that. That's a it's a good topic of black hole theory, anti gravity, the time descriptor, gravitational lensing, and
Schnell's laws. So I go in and I look at the Schnell's law, pioneer anomaly, alias effect, Coriolis effect, play, tectonics, and I can explain them all the way with the with the ether theory, I talk
about why the Michelson Morley theory failed, the Pound RebC experiment. I talked about the Hafeketing experiment, the Hubble constant, the Big Bang, general relativity, special relativity, and I say that Einstein is the new Ptolemy, because Ptolemy propounded the geocentric model for three hundred years, and they kept getting more and more advanced, like kept trying to explain the orbits of the planets with these little loops by, you know, because they wanted to insist that the
Earth was at the center. And that's what's going on with this empty space stuff is these theorists, these guys graduate with PhDs and they go and try to work with the empty space model and they come up with all these strange descriptions and complex mathematics that nobody can understand. And you know, it's not right. It's just not right. You can't have an empty space. Well, they teach the photon emission theory of light, where they say the light
source emits photons. Right, Really, the light source is immersed in photons if you call photons ether particles, and that light source is creating a vibration in the space around it, in the ether in the photon. See that it's immersed in and it vibrates it. That's what you see is light, you're not. They talk about the photon emission theory, which is completely wrong. So you mentioned earlier about the supernova thing, and that that was an
interesting topic. Yeah, it is because if you look at the volume of a sphere and you imagine that it's immersed in the sea of ether and that it's absorbing the space around it. Right, So what happens is a geometry thing, because the volume of sphere is four thirds pire cubed, but the area surface area of the sphere is four pi r square, so you have a factor of our difference. What happens I believe, and if you look at super novas and black holes you should believe it too, is that the
ether cannot get to the center. It runs out of ether that it is absorbing because it is the thing that's absorbing. The ether gets too big, too massive. Now suddenly you reach a point where it cannot reach the center. And at that point you basically have no light because you can't have vibration of the ether, which is light. So there is about the I believe the sub ether gets through, and the sub ether I believe, can transmit
super light, which is way way faster than the light. Mhmm. Well, like if you look at the inner core of the Earth, right, it's supposed to be solid. They've they've determined this through seismic events on the surface of the Earth, the P waves and the S waves, that they can somehow tell that there's an outer liquid magma outer core of the Earth, and there's an inner solid core. How can you have a solid and a
core in the middle of boiling hot lava around it? In the outer core, it wouldn't melt, right, say, it's too dense, you know, it just doesn't milk because it's too dense. Well, I think what it tells us is that the ether is not getting to the core because the ether is the medium to transmit heat. So this backs up my theory, and and it explains the inner core, I think, And if you it also explains plate tectonics from the west to east. If you imagine this orth
the spinning west to east. Right, you're riding in a river of ether from west to east right now and Phoenix, we're going seven hundred miles an hour from west to east. The ether is above ground and below ground as it goes west to east. But eventually, because it's a whirlpool of ether, it will be going faster from west to east as it gets closer to the center of the Earth, so that makes a sort of a tension or a friction between the layers which create can create the heat and if plane plate
tectonics too, okay, and it explains the Choreolis effect as well. Where we see in the northern hemisphere you see counterclockwise hurricanes. In the southern hemisphere you see clockwise hurricanes because at the gravity is the strongest at the equator, as the Earth is spinning, and as that motion, it's like more stretching of space that around the equator, so things will come to rest in that plane. Like look at Saturn and Saturn's rings. Saturn's rings are flat.
Why are they flat? Why are spiral galaxies flat? Because that's the center of rotation, and this is the object rotates the ether, it's spinning with it. It's like that thing I talked about with the plane wing or the pipe and the water going through it. It's moving faster along the plane of rotation. So as it's moving faster, that creates lesser pressure, just like the particle stretch to you know, over the wing of a plane, it's
basically creating lift. It's an electromagnetic lift, and things come to rest in that plane. So are there any practical applications of your theories that maybe can demonstrate it. Or for example, if if if they had these technologies and they were able to use them in the past, shouldn't anyone with knowledge be able to reproduce or at least apply these theories to even make something small hover or or create a portal like they might have been doing in the past that
you feel they're doing in these images. I don't know, you know, it be that the men in black are snuffing out anybody who comes close to the prize. You know, I don't know where this technology went. Somewhere along the way, the technology was lost and you know, it doesn't make sense why the technology was lost, but it's lost. But well, but
you hope to to find it again. Yeah, I hope to be able to design an anti gravity device using this to theory or knowledge, because you can't and you know, you're somewhere in the government they have anti gravity devices. You know, there's all kinds of conspiracy theories about that, the Nazi bell and all that. But what I think is you cannot create an anti gravity device until you fully understand gravity. So that's where I'm coming in from.
This is just you know, fully understanding. I think, you know, driving an hour in a car each way, waiting in traffic across Phoenix for fifteen years, you know, forced me to want to have a car that goes up and over and out of the traffic. I want to be able to put a garage door on the ceiling of my garage. You know, if I go to New York and I go on vacation, I forget my toothbrush. I want to be able to, you know, fly back
in five minutes and get my toothbrush in my anti gravity machine. And do you think you're have you begun that or do you think you're close to being able to begin to work on some kind of prototype of a device. Yeah, I'm in the theory stage now. You know. It would help if I, you know, had some funding and stuff. I just you know, I worked full time as a software engineer, so you know, when I do, I do in my in my free time. I was just waiting for the light bulb to go off, you know, I think about
this stuff. I used to think about it in my truck a lot when I was driving work. You know, that was my think tank. I was like thinking about the stuff when I was tying my shoes. Any time during the day when I was just like you, brushing your teeth, or when I'm picking up the dishes or something like that, you can think about stuff, you know, you know, instead of just thinking about worrying about
your bills or something. You know. I was thinking about this theory, you know, and I made great advancements just by constantly thinking about it. You know. They said Einstein was not really smarter than the other people. He was just able to focus on the same problem for a long long time. And that's sort of where what I've been doing here. I'm trying not to, you know, drop the ball. I'm just trying to keep moving forward and forward all the time. So what is the next step for you?
Are you're going to write another book or are you going to begin to work on applying your theories. Yeah, I'm I'm trying to take the biological universe stuff that I wrote before and get it cleaned up, edited and ready for publication. So I'm doing that. I'm also designing. I'm trying to design a that's kind of silly, but I went to the Tesla Tech conference and these guys had built these things that were thirty dollars with their own money, you know, and I thought, you know, it doesn't have to
be that hard, that expensive, you know. So what I want to do is design something small, like a toy, you know, start out with a toy. The technology that needs to be in the forty anti gravity doesn't have to be big. You know. Everyone thinks it's gotta be big. I don't think it has to That makes sense. Well cool, Well, thank you very much for joining us today. Yeah, thank you, Elejandra. I really really appreciate this. I hope my message gets out there.
Do you can find my book at Amazon dot com? Spoke Anti Gravity Mike Twitchell, and do you have a website? Yeah, Mike Twitchell dot com. Okay, all right, great. Also, my article is being published on a Science to Stage dot com. Okay. Article that I wrote is he's out there, what's going to be out there? And that's about it. You know. I spoke at the Tesla Tech conference in Albuquerque the last two years and those DVDs are available on the Tesla website. And that's
about it. All right, great, well thanks again, Okay, thanks, bub appreciate it. All right, Well, thank you so much to Mike Twitchell for doing the show with us. Kind of interesting stuff. So if you're interested in this, go look him up. Go google Ether Gravity, which is his book, and that is spelled A E T H E R Gravity, and that is Michael Holt Twitchell, and Twitchell is just kind of how it sounds t w I C H E l L. So check him out if you aren't interested in this sort of thing. And thank you
so much to Martin for being able to take time. It's really laid out there too. It's like, you know, hours and hours later. Even though it's the early afternoon right now here, you know, it's like middle of the night there. So thanks so much much Schamartin for joining us and talking news with us all the way from Russia. Really cool. Thank you
all for listening. And remember the UFO Congress coming up. We're almost done with the early registration so or super early bird, because it's still a few months out for the conference, so super early bird registration ends at the end of this month, so just a little more than a week away. So if you want to go to the conference at the cheapest price you can go, then go register right now, and you know, what I'm just gonna
say it, guys. And you know, our conference, even at once, the super early bird is over, to be honest, costs less than every other conference, well most other conferences out there, the vast majority. And we're like the only one that's longer than the weekend. We're five days, and we keep the price slower. And here's why. It was the owners before us and our philosophy that if we keep the conference as affordable as
possible, more people will be able to come. And it's worked. And so it's frustrating because when I advise other conferences, I tell them keep the price slow. You can't overprice yourself. First of all, we want to share this information with people, so we don't want to outprice ourselves. Plus, if you're afraid of losing a bunch of money, it's better to have more people than less. You're going to be able to make more money, and you're going to be able to at least break even, which is our
goal. I mean, we don't make a whole lot of money, guys. Our company does not break even. I've told you guys this before. Luckily, my boss does not mind spending money to get the word out there. And keep us running. So conferences are a tough tough thing. But still, you know, we do do better than break even at the conference, and because we keep the prices low. So I'm going to the Moufon Symposium this weekend. It's only a weekend long, less than you know,
a dozen speakers. We have more speakers, and we cost less. So it's a fact. I'm just stating the facts. But hopefully for some of you going to the Mofin Symposium in Irvine, California, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm so excited to see people out there, so come and say hi. We're going to have a table out there and come by and say hello. We also have some new T shirts. We'll bring some out but I'm going to have those posted on the website this week. So
some cool new open mind T shirts. We also have the same philosophy on our website. You know, our DVDs for our lectures are less than anybody else selling DVDs because especially a DVD, you can't charge people twenty twenty five bucks for those that's that's creety, that's a lot of money. So we charge you what ten bucks, fifteen dollars for the ones from the most most recent events. So and these T shirts we're gonna have priced really well too.
I haven't gotten them up. I can't remember offhand right now what we're gonna price them. But trust me, I'm a T shirt aficionado. I don't like paying more than you know. A lot of T shirts are thirty dollars more. I don't like paying that much. In fact, I think we're gonna try to price theres much lower than that, So check that out. But yeah, check out the Congress. We've got a lot of great
speakers. We're posting more on the website every day. Also, of course, the news that Martin and I talked about is at open mindstat tv. We have a new UFO report out where we interview Lee Spiegel about those Russian videos. You can see those Russian videos and other interesting UFO videos on our YouTube site, and you can also find that at open mindstat tv. So check it all out. Thank you all so much for being here. I believe even though we have the symposium, I'm gonna try my best to make
sure that we still have a show next week. Whether or not I accomplish that, I'm not certain because this will be a short week because we'll be traveling out there to California, so hopefully we'll see you out there. Otherwise, thank you to Caleb Hanks for the glorious music, the wonderful music that we play in the Open and Close. You can find a link to his clerk chronicles at the radio page at Openminds dot tv. Thank you to Martin
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