Love Talk Radio. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host, Alejandro rojash Hello everybody, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas and this is our last Thursday show in the studio, and luckily enough we're able to go out with a bang and have a studio guest. We've got Michael
Schratt here, a military aerospace historian. We got lucky that he was coming into town on a Thursday, so we're able to have him on the show and on the last show that we're doing solely over the internet, because starting tomorrow will be our first show for the airwaves. AM eleven hundred KFNX will be in studio in their studio broadcasting. We'll still have the live video,
so no worries. They're mates just like we have now. So if you go to Openminds dot tv and go to the radio tab, you'll be able to see us live on the video, or you can listen to us, of course on blog talk Radio where we are now. And don't worry for you podcasters, because we have a lot of podcasters out there. What we're gonna do is we're gonna have the show live on Fridays, at Neon,
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still going to be able to listen to the show. You'll just be listening to a show that is six days old, and then you can tune in the next day, so you'll be able to listen to the show live. Hear it again on Thursday because there's a lot of information for your notes and everything, and then you'll be able to tune in on Friday. So because people can't get enough of the show, and I can't blame them, especially when we have great guests like today, so I'm really excited about the guests.
We're going to talk about Nazi technology, possible flying discs that they've created, you know, way back and starting possibly in the twenties, but what they might have had after World War Two that the Americans got their hands on. We'll be talking about the triangles. We'll be talking about how because Michael Tratt here being an aerospaces store and he's looked at a lot of black projects and has a lot of information on some of the cutting edge technologies or the
possible technologies that we may have. And of course these things are extremely advanced, so no doubt, possibly a lot of what we're mistaking for extraterrestrial craft our actual terrestrial craft. But we'll talk about his thoughts on the EP issue. But first let's get into the news. Not a whole lot of big
news outside of sighting some neat sightings out there. But we'll start with an interesting story that came out the first day of the year, and that was on some California psychics and they had predicted that Larry King will interview an extraterrestrial in twenty ten. So that would be a great interview and I'm sure that will get him a lot of viewers. He'll break some records on that one. If that indeed happens, that'd be very interesting. I guess Sylvia Brown
is her name, another famous psychic. She said on Montelle's show or something like that that she thought extraterrestrials would reveal themselves and create some diplomatic relations with US vers humans during twenty ten to too, so it could be an exciting year for us in the apology film, we'll see. Other than that, a lot of sightings all over the place if you in the UK, the
UK's always got a lot going on. Interesting story in the Ethica Journal where this was a guy, a writer who actually was friends with Hector Kingtonia's son, Hector Kingtinia being one of the guys who ran Project Boobook for the Air Force for a while, so that was an interesting story. One of the better sighting reports out there is of course posted on the moufon site and at the MoveOn. Well. One of the people who works for moofon, Roger
Marsh is actually i think to director of communications for moufon. He is the UFO Examiner. So if you go to this site examiner dot com, they have some local examiners or national examiners, and Roger Marsh is the national UFO Examiner, a very popular article and he posts a lot of the reports that are showing up on the moufon site and he posted a video that Mofon received of a UFO over California. So the witness that he watched it for five
minutes before it disappears. So you can go look at that video and see what you think. And then after listening to today's show, you may realize that, hey, that is actually attacking on emitting engine and not and we have that technology. Yeah, we're gonna talk about takioms. This isn't just Star Trek people. So also, this is one of the real funny stories. I haven't posted this story yet, but I'm going to right after the show is done. This is an ad by a gym that is creating a
lot of controversy, and I think we're gonna put that up. If you're watching live, you'll probably be able to see it on the video. Really funny. It says warning to Earthlings that when the aliens come, they're gonna eat the fatties first. So they're telling people get to the gym shaping up so you're not the first to get eaten by the aliens. Now, we don't have evidence that aliens actually eat people, so I really don't think you have to worry about that. But I really should get to the gym because
I'm a little bigger than I should be. Look, there's me, and I kind of looked like maybe a fatty there. I get to the gym just in case, so I'm not one of the first eaten. I'm a vegetarian too, so I would have some clean meat to eat, so that could even further put me in danger. There. So there's the news. Not a whole lot of news in the UFO headlines out there, But remember you can go to the website open Minds dot tv, and we post headlines
practically every day because usually there's a lot going on. We didn't post any yesterday because there weren't a whole lot. But I have a host of you are else that I'm going to post after the show. The reason I was busy is because I was just writing a story actually and that I did post today, And that's called scientists and UFOs. They are interested because there are
a lot of scientists have researched UFOs. Some of you who are into the subject may have had friends and I get this all the time that if there was really something to the subject, well, then scientists would be interested. Aren't interested in my friend. And I have dozens and dozens of scientists listed on this story and how they were involved and how they started. Most of the major research organizations in this build, including one of them that you have
been looking into, Michael, which is KUPOS. That's correct, center for you Full of Studies. That's twenty four to fifty seven Wes Peterson Evenue. And I wrote a lot about that one because who started that one, doctor j Allen heine Jalen Heinek, and I have him in on the front page of the story here on his cameo appearance on clost Encounters, which is the Steven Spielberg movie, because he came up with the clost encounter the term.
That's correct. Well, let's get into you and your background, how you're an aerospace history and what is that all entailed. Well, first of all, thank you for giving me the opportunity to be a part of your program. My pleasure. Thank you. I really enjoy tracking down the unorthodox aircraft that have been bought and paid for by the American taxpayer, but which are
exempt from congressional oversight. That's sort of my forte and what I've really made a focus to do and really put a lot of effort into tracking down the military hardware, the nuts and bolts evidence, so that we can stitch this story together with some type of a historical legacy exempt from congressional oversight. Is that technically make them illegal. Well, if you look at the Research,
Development, Test and Evaluations program are one. That is the budgetary report that's handed out to Congress every January twenty seventh, and you can go get a copy of this document from the Library of Congress, which is in just in
back of the Capitol Building in Washington, DC. In this rather boring twelve page document, they list by line item the different programs that the DoD is supporting, like Operations F sixteen, operations Electronic countermeasures, and it tells you what the project is, and it tells you how much procurement funding was allocated for that particular program element number. However, when you further go down through this boring twenty four page document, you'll find that some of these programs all
there is is a code name designation. There's nothing to indicate how much was spent on the program or what the program entails. And so those are the black budget programs. So The concept here is you take the total amount from the knowns. What's leftover are the unknowns or the black programs. What are has budgets estimated to be well, as of now, it's estimated to be well over four hundred billion dollars per year. Four hundred billion dollars per year.
Very few people in Congress have any need to know on these programs, and so my endeavor, my mandate, is to release some of these programs, if possible, within the public domain, and take that technology, trickle it down to the civilian sector, and then make that propulsion systems available to people around the world so that we can start reversing the effects of the damage that we've done to this environment. Makes sense, and it would seem,
I mean, the most advanced technology that we've been made aware of. I don't know if it would be the stealth fighters or is a joint strike fighter even higher and more advanced stealth than the stealth Sure, if you go to Oshkosh at the end of every July, this has been going on for decades now, it's called Air Venture, which is the largest fair show in the world, and they do exhibit some of the cutting edge fighters we've seen the B two, We've seen the SR seventy one, we've seen the B one
bomber. The U two has shown up there, and so we're supposed to believe that the US Air Force is showing us what we've bought and paid for with our tax dollars. That's the whole purpose of you know, many of these air shows, and we're supposed to really believe that this is the best
we can do. But if you really look into the reference works in the historical literature within the aerospace industry, you can see this gigantic diversion, one being a dog and pony show that you see at your local air show, and then a different set of vehicles, nuts and bolts, hardware that is completely independent from what we know, and that is the black world that will certainly get into detail today. So the technology, I mean getting back to
that kind of the joint Strike fighters out of style technology. Ba's decades old, right, that's obsolete technology. It's already when the F one seventeen eight came out November tenth, nineteen eighty eight, it was already obsolete. That's when they really released it within the public domain. The northk B two stealth
bomber. That's November twenty TEWOD nineteen eighty eight. That was even obsolete because we know that stealth program started under Project Harvey from the DARPA that's Defense Advanced Research Project Agency under the Carter administration be in nineteen seventy seven, So between nineteen seventy seven and nineteen eighty eight that was a black, classified, unacknowledged special access program. But when that plane was released, it's already completely obsolete.
They have third, fourth, fifth generation stealth technology aircraft that are levels of magnitude lower radar cross such U S A S. And we're back, Okay, sorry about that, and we're back all right. Luckily we had another board, but our board went out, so some sort of electro magnetic issue there. But we were talking about, oh, the technology that I'm sure they must have now, which is because you said all those others are
way absolute. Yeah, we're talking about aircraft that are orders of magnitude much more classified than the Northern B two stealth bomber. And as we're talking about the B two, we should mention the March nineteen ninety two Aviation Week Space Technology article that specifically talks about how the B two electrically charges the leading edge of the wing to reduce the riter cross section and then electrically charges the exhaust
gases to reduce the infrared signature. But what was interesting is back in nineteen sixty eight report from Northrop indicated that when you do that, when you electrically charge the leading end of the wing and then it will negatively charged the trailing edge, there is an aerodynamic drag coefficient reduction buy up to sixty percent, thereby allowing the airline industry to save up to sixty percent in fuel consumption,
which would be worthing billions to the airline industry. But it's not being released. Why do you think they don't release something like that because it's unprofitable for them to do that. They could only charge you about nine dollars far a trip to New York City to Los Angeles. What they can charge you five hundred. Now, why would they charge you nine dollars with that technology? So using this obsolete technology, it's still profitable for them to do that.
What's interesting is that maybe, and you would be able to tell me if this is true or not, if the same companies that make those planes that are the ones building the technology. There's two sides to this thing. Absolutely, there is a privatized space defense contractor program and then there's the public relations space program in the form of NASA, which is actually a military entity.
So we've got two different tracks running here. Absolutely, it's incredible. Well, let's get back, getting back and relating this all to UFOs that there's a lot of information about there about what the Nazis might have had. There's photos out there of what looked to be like the UFOs that they saw in the fifties that they say were Nazi built. What, as far as you know, was really worked on that is of this cutting edge technology back then.
Well, the first thing I think it's important to remember is what was procured under the closing years of the Third Reich, the Naziss elements of the Luftwaffe who were borderline on that type research. We should not underestimate what was made under the direction of ss General Hans Kamler at the Skoda works in Czechoslovakia. The Red Russian Red Army when they came into the Skoda works, they actually got a gigantic truck full load of the Nazis most secretly guarded anti gravity
propulsion technology, laminar flow control technology. We're talking about scalar wave weaponry. They got a jump on their space program and so that cannot and should not be minimized or lessened in any type wave. And the full story of what
happened to General Hans Camera has never been told. He was the one who headed up the secret programs, research, development, test and evaluation programs for the SS at that time, and he was intimately involved in the German program called Diglaka or the Bell, which carried the highest security classification that the Nazis had on any program they were running. So we don't want to underestimate what actually took place. What was the bell? The bell was approximately fifteen feet
high, about eight feet in diameter. It had a bumper that went around the lower circumference of the vehicle. There were strange hieroglyphic writings around the circumference inside the bell housing near the upper portion of the craft, there were two counter rotating drums that had a radioactive isotope serium five twenty five that was spun in two counter rotating drums and it did act as a torsional pinch type device that could actually work as a bomb type device or somewhat an anti gravity type
vehicle. But what's interesting is in nineteen sixty five, almost the identical looking craft crashed in Pennsylvania, almost near image craft Keexsburgh, Pennsylvania, nineteen sixty five. The same dimensions, the same bell looking craft, and the same hieroglyphic writing around the circumference. So once again it looks like this may have been a German craft. With that craft, it was fifteen feet high.
Was it built to man keep? Not manned at all? No. In fact, many of the project engineers who worked on it suffered from the effects of radiation poisoning. And then when they put plants next to this vehicle when it was powered up and under a day, they completely turned to black rubber. Oh geez. Yes, so this was very toxic to the environment, anti humans. So no, there were no test pilots in this vehicle. Absolutely not well and where does the information come that this vehicle existed? Is
it pretty credible? We have the testimony from the original engineers, actually sixty two engineers. They left a pay per trail. They were later murdered over this program. We also have eyewitnesses, actually some of the concentration camp survivors who actually worked on these vehicles did provide additional details, so we do have a historical paperwork to back it up. Okay, these people who were killed that worked on it, were they who were they killed by? Or was
this already members of THESS? Members of the SS? Okay, so this was during the war? Yep, during during the war. Okay, gotcha. This is just before the clods of World War two. And it's believed, not proven, but it's believed that SS General Hans Kammler, who has had three different death stories. No one can nail down how this guy disappeared off the radar steam and he's the most historical I challenge anyone to come up
with someone who is more historically significant than SS General Hans Kamler. He was the key to all of this technology. He designed the concentration camps. This guy was a monster, but he was a technical genius and he ran those programs for the SS. So the big question is what happened to Candler and did he a deal with the Americans. It's never been it's never been proven
either way. We still don't know what happened to him, and he was talked about in the trials when the Nazis were tried for their war crimes, he was specifically mentioned and we don't know what happened to him. We just don't wow. Did he disappear after the war then, and we believe, we believe he disappeared, and we believed that he cut a deal with the
Americans, And that is highlighted in this article. This is the London Daily Mail, August twelfth, two thousand and one, talking about SS General Hans Kamler, the programs he was involved in, what he did, the dates, times and places, so we have his historical account on Rucker. Well, it's interesting too that that was written by Nick Cook, who I've seen, you know, he did that Hunt for Zero Point Energy, a great
book. Yeah, great documentary too that he did. You can still see that on YouTube, right, and he found some interesting staff he did. He did the hieroglyphics on that bell object, Like you said, they were similar to the Kexberg What the heck would something like that be used for? Why would they? We don't know, And it's never been explained. It's never been explained what those hieroglyphic writings represented on the Nazi bell and what they
represented on the Kexburgh acorn. It's never been talked about, and they could have been two different type writing. However, maybe it's not a writing in a language at all. Maybe just maybe that it is some type of a physical torsion pinch equation. And we've been thinking about it the wrong way all this time. We're all thinking that this is an alien writing from a different
world or a different culture. But maybe it's a lot closer to home, and this is some type of a torsion pinch equation showing you how the vehicle starts off. That's just a guess, but that may be one scenario. It's not a language per se, but it's actual mathematical equation. So, for instance, torsion is sort of an energy, and other Russians talk about that a lot, and so these hieroglyphics may be interacting with this. And
well, it's kind of like a checklist on an aircraft. When you're flying a seven forty seven, the pilot and command who sits in the left seat, he has a checklist that he goes over, and on that checklist there is definite, definitive things that he must you and follow, and in some cases there's symbolic language associated with that that may be the same thing happening on the bell. It may have been a visual checklist on how to get this
vehicle going and how to continue the operation. Okay, really interesting now the information on the hieroglyphics and this bell, when did that start to come out? Immediately immediately after the Keexburg incident, multiple eyewitnesses saw this acorn shaped vehicle come down out of the sky and make a swooping turn. So number one, we know it's not a meteor because meteors don't make turns, they have straight line trajectories. Crash landed in the wooded area of Checksburg, Pennsylvania,
nineteen sixty five. The firemen and civilian witnesses got there first. The military did not get there first, which is lucky for us, or we would have never even known to buy this. So when the witnesses got to the crash site, they saw this acorn looking craft that was halfway embedded into the soil. They noticed that it had this raise section along their circumference, and there was this strange writing which no one to this day within the civilian sector
has been able to interpret properly or what that actually meant. And then what was interesting is military individuals. There were two men in black associated with this craft and there were massive people in white coats with the MASSA insignia on it. They were also at this particular crash retrieval. This thing was loaded up
on a military truck vehicle with a tarp half covering it. It was driven to write Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio, and then it was quote in tuned in a very specific area at right Patterson Air Force Base that had this insulating type block material and they completely bricked the whole thing and never
to be seen again. Wow. And it's right. Patterson also is in charge of the Foreign Technology Division. They have Air Material Command there and that is where a lot of this I mean right, Patterson Air Force BACE has secrets to tell absolutely they do. They do so other Nazi technologies. You said, you have a patent to show that they were working on some sort of jaure. The story of the legend of the Nazi saucers is exactly that. It is known as the quote legend because this has been handed down in
ufology for decades now. So the question we should ask is is there any physical proof to any of this or is this just psychobabble. Is there any documented evidence that we can follow follow a paper trail to indicate that, in point of fact, the Germans were working on circular dishaped aircraft. Well, fortunately we do have some information here. We have a patent. This is from mister H. Fleischner. Okay, rotating jet aircraft with lifting disc wing
in tanks. This is patent two million, nine thirty nine six forty eight. So anyone can listen to this and get that patent. That's the actual patent number. And what they're doing here is in many cases they are sucking in the boundary layer using laminar flow control which helps to increase the efficiency for vertical takeoff. And we've got the actual patent for it. And this is from an original German designer. Now he was granted the patent filed in March
twenty eighth, nineteen fifty five. It was granted June seventh, nineteen sixty. So look at the historical lineage of what took place here. In nineteen fifty five they were working on atomic powered aircraft A on the powered spacecraft, very exotic vertical takeoff vehicles. By nineteen sixty Aviation week. Space technology completely eliminated anything having to do with this type of technology. So it looks like the R and D began in nineteen fifty five. By nineteen sixty they made
a massive breakthrough in this technology. And this is nine years before Apollo eleven, which may explain why Neil Armstrong won't talk about Apollow eleven. And what do you mean by that? Well, I mean that perhaps he wasn't the first one there, Okay, because are we really supposed to believe that we're using liquid rockets even after all this time, it's been well over sixty years, we're still using liquid rockets? Didn't they have anything better at that time?
These patents they go a long way to prove that something else was going on. So the modern UFO era kind of started in the forties, surely after World War Two, after they had their sightings in World War Two of the Foo fighters. And we'll let to start right there with Foo fighters.
Are there any sort of technologies doing that were developed during or before World War Two that might explain those Well again, remember too, though, that anything that we have today within the military industrial complex, almost any military technology.
We're talking about laser guided bombs. We're talking about TV guided air to air missiles, we're talking about phased array over the horizon, radar drones, UAVs were all, repeat all developed by the Nazis before the close of World War Two, So what we're doing here is nothing but a belated designer leak or a pale reflection of the German original. They were the origin point to all
of this. So there is reports of these type spherical objects coming up from the Balls of Berlin, tracking and locking themselves in between the the horizontal stabilizer of our B twenty nine, between the horizontal stabilizer and the trailing edge of the main wing. Following these B twenty nines and B seventeens throughout World War two and then breaking away. Also reports of electromagnetic disturbances would interact with the
reciprocating piston engines on the B seventeen, causing them to crash. So it sounds like this is a lot of pre done German hardware at that time. Are we to believe that aliens are causing Certainly there have been electromagnetic effects, but just think about the origin point of where these things were coming from.
When the B seventeens were starting their bombing rate over the oil refineries and over the ball bearing plants, because by the end of nineteen forty four we had completely bombed all the refineries and ball bearing plants out of existence the runways as well, so they needed a VTL option which could be used as a rapid response these orbs, the spheres that we're seeing. Have you ran across any technology that would explain that or do you have any ideas around what those might
have been if they were German? What? I believe that they were borderline psychological warfare operations and they did have the technology to short out the electrical systems on our B seventeens and B twenty nine, And do you have any idea of the technology behind those. It goes into some of the electrogravitic effects and some of the quote kogle Blitz devices. Certainly what we see here in this patent is partially responsible for some of those sightings. And then you can also
cross reference to that to June twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven. This is just before Roswell. Many eyewitnesses in New Mexico saw a crescent shape flying wing very similar to the Horton two T nine model, which is of German origin. So again all these leads are pointing back to the third ride. Okay, and when you talk about a flying wing of a delta shape kind of like Cura the self bomber, correct because remember too that what Kenneth Arnold saw
were nine quote flying saucers, but they weren't really flying saucers. The lead aircraft was a crescent flying wing configuration, and then the aircraft that were in back of the lead were a spade shaped craft similar to the Averall original project y. So again this also has a lineage because the Averall project why it looks identical to what Kenneth Arnold reported. So this is again pointing back to
the third like it really is, it really is. So then we get into later in the forties and the fifties, and now you're having masses of sightings, a lot of sightings mostly of round flying saucer type object. Sure do you attribute that? Possibly? Do you said? Well, let's let's be clear. Absolutely. I mean we have circular reports. We've got delta configuration, we've got chevron configuration, we've got bat wing manta rate type craft,
we've got cigar craft. Just look at what happened between nineteen eighty two and nineteen eighty nine in the Hudson Valley, New York area, over twenty five thousand eyewitnesses reported seeing a gigantic flying wing delta type configuration that had a single trailing triangle edge to the craft. It was reported by multiple police officers atc people pull off to the side of the road they saw this craft. It was massive in size. It stopped traffic, it hovered, It was
very slow flight. But what's interesting here, though, is reports from the eyewitnesses who's looked up underneath this vehicle as it flew over. They said that it had trends loosing panels on the bottom. It had multiple lighting configuration on the belly of the craft, and they said that when they looked up through these translucent panels, they could see what they termed the cross beam and I beam construction, the grid work inside the vehicle itself. So I asked the
question, does an extraterrestrial vehicle need translucent panels? What were in the world would you need translucent panels? Well, if you're landing VTOL like a helicopter, you would need to see your landing area. So again, it looks like this is a man made technology using a kevlar type exterior with a teflon or perhaps a carbon fiber exoskeleton for the interior of the vehicle. But I don't think that the Hudson Valley boomerang was an extraterrestrial craft. I believe it
was one of our LTA or lighter than their vehicles. That's from the nineteen seventy six report for McDonald Louglas. Okay, well, before we get too further, too much further, whereat a lot of these people are going to start to get upset, Let's do ask it the question, since obviously you know a lot about these technologies, are there some technologies or things that you've seen that have been observed that are beyond what we would Okay, so let's
make something clear too though, is December seventeenth, nineteen oh three, was the beginning of flight that was Killdeuble Hills, North Carolina. However, we have reports of UFOs that date back to the ancient Romans, to the ancient Egyptians. So to say that everything that we're seeing out here is man made is not consistent with the historical record. So I want to make that clear. There is a core of reality to this phenomenon. Absolutely, These sightings
go back forward hundreds thousands of years. We've got cases over Mexico City early eighteen hundreds talking about a spade shaped shield type object that had metallic wings that were shining down lights over the city. Is way before aircraft were ever built. So again, not everything we're seeing out there is man made. There is a core of reality to this. Yes. Now, with the people that you've talked to, with all of these technologies, do they allude to
the possibility that some of this is reverse engineer from captured craft. We've heard those reports. We've heard those reports. In fact, there's a vehicle out there called the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, also known as the flux Liner. It's about twenty four feet in diameter. It houses a crew of four and uses
off the shelf components within the aerospace industry. But the fact that it's called the Alien Reproduction Vehicle sort of leads one to believe that maybe this was a recovered craft that was reverse engineered, and we try to make another man version of it, a human piloted alien craft version of it via Operation Project Snowbird project. Snowbird is the program to produced alien craft using American pilots for the crew members. So this is a real program. So it looks like yes,
there were actual crash retrievals. We know of at least one case that took place two years before Roswell, where a UFO crashed in Alaska. It was in such a remote area that they never bothered to bring it back to the Air Force base. They made a hangar surrounding the craft exactly where it landed. There were two beings involved that look exactly identical to humans. One of them was still alive and he taught American pilots how to fly this vehicle.
So it's now part of the historical record, really, and can you read about that. This comes from one of the members of the Disclosure Project who tried to get this story out into the public media, but he was squelched and it never went anywhere. So I've been trying to track down more information on this. But the gentleman who told the Disclosure Project representative said that he was the military Attas Shave who he was in charge of the bill of
materials for making the hangar. He was the one who bought the materials for the hangar, and they never bothered to bring it back wherever it landed. They built the hangar around the craft. It was circular in shape. It had the wingspan the same diameter as the wingspan of a DC six. That's what the diameter of the craft was. And he said that there were two beings involved, and there was writing that you could see on the interior.
He actually called in the craft himself. So that case has just never been talked about very much. Yeah, I haven't heard of that case. That's incredible case. The flex Liner, the alien reproduction vehicle. Let's get into a little bit of that. First of all, how you know it exists? Okay, Well, I personally know two people who have seen it up close. I've spoken to them by phone. Also, we have at least ten other people who we know who have worked on the program. My good
friend Mark McCanalish is the world's premier aerospace illustrator. He did the best illustrations of this vehicle based on the original eyewitness testimony that was seen at the November twelfth, nineteen eighty eighth Open House Airshow exhibit at Norton Air Force Base. And this portion of the exhibit we believe took place in the L ten eleven hangar, that's Air Force Plant forty two, Palmdale, the Lockey facility, So that's where these craft were actually seen, but they were still part of
a bigger exhibit at Norton. This was like the b section of it. And very quickly those three craft that were at this display measured twenty four sixty and one hundred and thirty feet in diameter. They were all hovering off the floor. There were no wires, no supporting structure, no rigging on the bottom, no mounting plates, nothing. They were bobbing on their own type gravitic field, just like a tinker bob's in the harbor that she had this
bobbing effect to it. The upper crew compartment housed six CCD cameras along the upper exterior of the craft and one on top, for a total of seven. And these CCD cameras were quote taken directly off the Vegas casinos. Okay, so whenever you will go out in Vegas, you'll see everywhere inside the gambling area these little balls, these little black balls looking down at you making sure you don't set the house okay, And so that's what those cameras look
like. On the upper portion of the alien reproduction vehicle, also one as the flux liner. Those cameras could be slewed in conjunction to produce an artificial image on the inside of the pilots via their via the Apache heads up displays.
It's the same system they use on the Apache helicopter. Down that central column A little bit further is where the four F four phantom ejection seat systems were the same seat ejection system off the four Phantom there was perhaps a nuclear containment device that had about eleven and a quarter pounds of enriched uranium two thirty eight. There was an articulated arm associated with the bottom section of this vehicle.
So that raises two questions. Number one, is that articulated arm used for launching of DoD classified payload or is that arm used for picking up samples from interplanetary star systems and planets? Who knows, But why would you need an articulated arm. Are they taking samples from blows or something? But obviously they have a need for it. The exterior of the vehicle had these composite panels that came down a thirty degree from the vertical axis, and these panels
were fastened by Zeus fasteners. So anyone who's familiar with a engine calling knows that these zoos fasteners, with about a half a turn on a strew driver a snap into place. That's how these composite pannels were around the circumference of this. Did any of these witnesses talked about when this the things were developed? Well? Interesting, you mentioned that the one witness who came forward kind of in a strange way, stated basically that this thing looked like it had
been around for decades. There was finger print marks on it, there were grease stains on it, it was slightly beat up. It just looked old and clunky. I mean, it looked like it had been around for a long time, you know. So that's consistent with what we know about nineteen fifty to nineteen sixty when that research was expunged from the aerospace literature. So you think those might have been developed in the fifties or that thing could have been decades old. The wow, Yes, and it seems to have the
technology to be spacefaring absolutely. In fact, it works better in outer space because they had the capability they used the principles of high voltage electricity in conjunction
with the field brown effects. So they're using capacitor plates with always the positive plate on top because that's how when you charge a capacitor plate, there's a direction in the movement of the positive charge, so that's why the positive plate is always on top, and you could vary the voltage on this capacitor section that causes pitch yarn roll. So yes, it looked like these things had
been around for decades. Wow, that's pretty incredible. So if these were in the B section of this exhibit, what was in the A section. The A section was the slightly less classified aircraft. Okay, so, for instance, the pulsar or flaming pumpkin seed was associated that's one hundred feet long, sixty five feet wide, a flattened football diamond black shaped craft that had heat a blasive thermal resistant panels all around the vehicle, tricycle landing gear unmanned.
Basically, when that craft got up to about mock three, they shut down the turbogen engines buried inside the fuselage of the vehicle. Then they slam shot the air intake ducts, which are the NACA air intake ducts and at about mock free the leading edges glowing red hot. They start introducing a modified liquid methane fuel with a borne based additive directly into the superheated shockwave. There's
a compressibility factor, there is an explosion. It compresses between the superheated shockwave and the tapered after body of the vehicle, propelling it across the sky at about twelve thousand miles an hour. That's pretty incredible. So that was at this exhibit. So speaking of kind of triangular aircraft, one of the popular ones you hear about is TR three B. Sure what is that and does it exist? TR three B is also known as the Astra, and this
comes in two different sizes. There is a quote alleged three hundred foot per side triangle vehicle of it. There is also a six hundred foot version of this craft. Both operate on the same principle as something called the magnetic field disruptor, which is a ring shaped device in the central section of this craft. Basically, what they're doing is they're taking liquid mercury, They're pressurizing it to two hundred and fifty thousand atmospheres, They're rotating it at fifty thousand rpm.
There is a resultant decrease in the localized gravity field way up to eighty nine percent. That means that the multi mode impulse rockets that are on each point of this triangle only have to propel eleven percent of the craft and the G forces are reduced by eighty nine percent. So you can we hear these stories about these ninety degree right angle turns at forty g's. Well you're not experiencing forty g's. You're almost down to four g's, which is completely survivable
by pilots. So yes, there's two different versions. See that's incredible, And you know, of course, this is a lot of technology. It's kind of you're thinking, wowd and what is ours and what isn't. But that's what's kind of hard days to know. And that's why I've always felt, well, I've known, you know, when I was a kid. SR seventy one Blackbird came out, and that was so advanced, but that
was made decades ago before I was born. So if that's the latest technology I knew of, then it just goes to show that there are technologies out there I can't even fathom. Ben Rich before he died in ninety five told Jim Goodall from his hospital bed that we have quote things flying that are fifty
years beyond which you can possibly dream on. So if you think about what happened in nineteen sixty two, that was the first test flight of the A twelve, which went on to become the SR seventy one, we as taxpayers, after forty years, are supposed to believe that the A twelve, the SR seventy one, is the quote fastest aircraft in the world at this time. That is the biggest joke in the world. That's absolutely the biggest joke
in the world. And there's a group of stealth pilots SR every one Sledge Drivers A twelve YouTube pilots called the road Runners internationally, and they meet in Novada every other year in October, and at the end of their meeting they have a champagne toast where all these people hold up their glasses and they say, quote, and we're still the fastest. Okay, So it's this big thing that they think that they're still the fastest. Well, yeah, a
lot of these guys have been retired for thirty years. They're not clued into what's going on now. Well, I have a theory around that, because yeah, it's still classified. Even how fast the SR seventy one really can go, right, but it always goes up to just under escape velocity.
So it always seemed to me perhaps they didn't want to admit that they have there are Air Force vehicles out there that can reach escape velocity where they can even go into space, because they're not supposed to be going into space. NASA is supposed to be the only people doing that. Well, you need seventeen thousand, five hundred to get into orbit, you need twenty two thousand.
I've wanted right in that area to get out of Earth orbits. So certainly we know that the U SR seventy one can't go that fast, but they're not talking about the vehicles that we have that can get out there that have no resemblance to the Shuttle whatsoever. That is a complete family of vehicles
that the taxpayer does not know about. One of the things I looked into when I did a talks about UFOs in Colorado with Space Command, because it's located in Colorado, out of Colorado Springs and Peterson Air Force Space and I read this Space Command catalog and It's really interesting because it talks about taking battles into space using space vehicles and space forces. It's almost like it's that Binley
veiled what they might be doing. Think about what NORD is doing. Okay, it's been reported that NORD is trekking quote fast walkers on a weekly basis. Okay, are they are UFOs, they're unacknowledged programs. They don't know what the origin point on a number of these craft are. And we have the testimony from the Disclosure Project representative program who talked about how we have DoD
satellites, including Keyhole satellites from the National Security Agency. We've got CIA birds, we've got electromagnetic pulse weapons, we've got rail guns, we've got space based weapon systems. But the problem is that they have nothing to do with income Russian ICBMs. These weapon systems are pointed away from the Earth as though they're anticipating something coming our way. Now that's a question that needs to be answered. Yeah, that is well, I do have another question here actually
from someone in the chat. It'll be I guess our last question because we're about out the time. But they talked, they asked with the Hudson Valley UFOs. They were black black projects, and how do you explain in abduction cases that were linked to that case? Very good question. Greer will talk to you about program life forms. These are alien entities that look like actual grays, but in point of fact, are military synthesized program life forms that
mimic and mock the same type categories that we know as gray. So I think that really exists. I think they do. I would not put it beyond them. Well, we're out of time. Thank you very much for being on the show. Really interesting. We'll definitely have you on again.
Remember everybody, We're going to be on again tomorrow and we're going to have Richard Dolan because we're going to be introducing the UFO field to the Phoenix area, not that they haven't been exposed to it before with the famous Phoenix life that happened over a decade ago. Down But do you have a website or anything you want to tell people? What I really have is my Facebook page, So I've made everything available to the public on that. So awesome.
Okay, Michael Shrat And you know I did school our Facebook kind of admin person for not making an event for this radio show. I don't care if she was sick yesterday because people got mad at me last week because she forgot to do that. She's not listening and making face. Oh now she's making faces, all right. Well, thank you guys for joining me. Thank you very much for coming in today, Michael, and like I said, don't forget come back to Open TV to listen to the show. Tomorrow.
We'll have Richard Dolan, we'll have a new venue. We won't have our pretty screen behind us, but we'll be in an AM radio station, News talk radio AM eleven hundred kfn X. Thank you all for joining us, and we'll talk to you tomorrow. Everybody, let me find my quotes. Mytic there it is. Oh, I'm sorry. It took issues a day that I lack. They call getting daily, that I may call getting daily, that I may call game with day, called game bag, called prioryal, Priory call priory. Dat's got to go by Dama