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the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Thank you for joining us on another spectacular night of Open Minds Radio at our new time Monday night, nine pm Arizona, which is in sync with Pacific right now it changes to Mountain Time once in a while. Weird state we live in, and of course if you've been following the news, there's a number of reasons why Arizona is quite a weird state. But we are your UFO authority. My name's Alejandro Rojas, and I am your host for the show, and we
have a great show tonight. This is part two of our guest Michael Luckman. He wrote the book Alien Rock, which talks about rock stars and their et and UFO experiences. We talked about a lot of fun stuff last week with John Lennon and many others. Tonight we're going to talk about Michael Jackson, get into some other stories, and Michael Luckman has also done a lot of research into a topic that's very popular these days, and that is twenty
twelve and what might be happening when the Mayan calendar ends and renews. Will it be bad? Will it be good? Will it be both? Or like NASA has put up on their website, will nothing happen at all? Just like Y two K, nothing really happened at all except for a bunch of people got drunk as usual on New Year's and woke up the next day feeling like the world had been destroyed, but it was just a bad hangover. So we'll be talking about that with Michael Luckman. It's gonna be a
lot of fun. In a few minutes. I want to remind you of a local event if you want to meet the open minds, editors and researchers and such, We'll be at Vision Quest Metaphysical Bookstore on May twenty eighth. That'll be at seven pm and they are at two two five North Scottsdale Road. Or if you don't want to travel that far for kind of a two hour event. You can come to Roswell on the July fourth weekend. Actually their events start July first, Thursday through Sunday, so that'll be a lot
of fun. Sunday's the forest. You can come watch fireworks and there's always a lot going on out there. There's something like twenty thousand people that show up for their giant parade. Will probably be in the parade. I was in the parade last year with Nick Pope, the UK Ministry of Defense, who guy retired now to investigate UFOs out there. You probably know much about it because I talk about them a lot, but that was a lot of fun. Jesse Marcel Jr. He'll be there again this year. Richard Dolan,
a lot of speakers. Peter Robbins talks about abductions. I've had all these guys on my show before, so you can listen to the archives to hear what they're all about, but if you want to meet them in person, then come out to Roswell. My good buddy Chuck Sukowski, who's been on the show a couple of times, I'll also be out there, so it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm really excited about that. However, before we get into our guests, let's talk about UFOs in the
news. There's always a lot going on with UFOs and conventional news headlines, and this week is no different from any other. So we have a lot of exciting stories that I want to talk about. We've got our news correspondent, Jason McClelland here to share the stories with us. Greetings Alejandro, Hello Jason, Hello Phoenix, and the Hello world. This is your Open Minds
News Brief for Monday May tenth, twenty ten. In the news this week, with NASA turning over much of its ground to orbit transportation to commercial providers, many companies are hard at work building and testing spaceflight vehicles, and the US Air Force is right there with them. The Air Force recently launched an
unmanned X thirty seven B orbital test vehicle. The X thirty seven B is intended to order it the Earth for several weeks while testing out several different systems, and could be used to transport satellite and other equipment to and from space. The X thirty seven B is often called a flying Twinkie because of its stubby wing shape. Its nickname isn't the only odd thing about the Space Shift, though the true details of the ship's mission have been kept secret, and
there have been mentions that possibly using the ship as space weaponry. Eek, but of course they want to use everything for weaponry. And you know, I think these stories are important, just like we have unknown or unacknowledged aviation stories by Michael stra our aerospace historian on our website. So because people even still, you know, mistake the space Station and the Space Shuttle for UFOs
at times. So right, it's important to know what's up there. I've seen them going through the sky before and I grabbed my camera and started getting all excited. Oh right, space station. It's still fun to see. It's incredible. It's so bright and it moves to the sky so fast. Yeah, you don't realize it until you actually watch it. Yeah, it's amazing. In other Nathanews, NASA's Mars Meteorite research team says that a four
billion year old meteorite has landed thousands of years ago. I'm sorry that landed thousands of years ago, and Antarctica show evidence of microscopic life on Mars. The team also has presented research showing additional Martian meteorites with distinct and identifiable microbial fossils, further pointing to the existence of life on Mars. The team leader has said, we feel more confident than ever that Mars probably once was and
maybe still is home to life. I can't I believe that this story hit the news and has not made a big impact, even though this is actually the same rock, one of these rocks they're talking about. It's the same meteor they had found several years ago, and President Clinton, you know, had talked about it and talked about how we might have found life elsewhere, and then some people scientists debunked it, and they've been fighting about it for
years. This is the same one. And now those NASA scientists had found further evidence to support what they had said in the beginning, which is these meteorites from Mars show what seemed to be fossilized bacteria and stuff. And there's been a lot of Mars news in the news lately, you know, a lot more to support the evidence of life on Mars. Water on Mars. You know, we talked last week, I think about, you know, how methane gas has been discovered, and the ponds come and all these different
things on Mars. But there really doesn't seem to be that big of a deal made about it. Yeah, and I'm excited because I think we're really close to them actually confirming something. And I'm interested to see some people say that it won't be a big deal. People are so used to hearing about it, they're not going to care. But it may be a big deal. And philosophically it is a big deal because it makes what we do more
likely. If the next planet closest to us has life on it, well, second clost I think Venus is closer, but if that's got life, then obviously it's abundant. That'd be huge off it. You know, they finally come out and say it, and I'm hoping they do. You know, it's exciting because more and more every week it's coming out. It's just not being made a big deal of right now, and I don't know why.
Yeah, come on, people pay attention. The governor of the Russian Republic of Kalmikia told the television anchor last week that he had been abducted by aliens. He also mentioned that the extraterrestrials communicated with him telepathically. State Duma Deputy Andre lebedev Is worried, however, that the governor may have disclosed state secrets and he wants Russia's president to investigate the issue. This is hilarious, Yeah, because this other MP is saying, Hey, you know, this
guy was taken and he knows secrets. What if he told the alien secrets and he's making a big deal out of it. You need to tell him that, you know, he should have reported this earlier, and he wants it investigated, and not by just anybody. He wrote a letter to the President of Russia. He said, you need to look into this guy in his aduction story. Yeah, and you got to find out what he told the aliens and if they read his mind to know our secrets, and you
have to develop a protocol. What are we supposed to do if we get taken by aliens. It's incredible that you know, these guys are taking this step so seriously. It's great. But the story's fascinating though, because this guy actually went on on television very serious and told his story about, you know, being taken aboard a UFO. These were separate occasions, the abduction and being on a UFO, but he was very serious about it. And
this is this is a sharp, intellectual guy. He's the president of the International Chess Club, the World Chess Federation. He was a president at one time, and he's recently been invited back to be the president again. That's a big deal. He's a smart guy and it's incredible. So that's an amazing story, and it keeps hitting the news and it's still going on,
so we'll see what happens with it. I think the Russian president probably has other things to do, but it'll be interesting if he decides to look into it, or at least acknowledges it. Well, what I did, maybe that's what will come out, what I did when I was talking to the aliens. But I never released any of my secret so I think he's fine. He's a smart guy, right all right. In other news, construction
has begun on the world's largest telescope in Chile. The one point five billion dollar European Southern Observatory will be used to search for planets outside our solar system that may sustain life. The observatory's atmospheric detecting European extremely Large Telescope or EELT, will be a optical infrared telescope with the primary mirror forty two meters in diameter. That's more than one hundred and thirty seven feet. Wow. The
yield, Wow, that's a huge mirror. Yeah, incredible, And they're just going to find more and more planets with atmospheres I could support life. I mean, that's exciting. With the addition of the telescope, Chili will certainly have the tools to become a global astronomy powerhouse. The telescope is scheduled to begin operating in twenty eighteen. One of our main writers, Antonio, an editor, is from Chile. I wonder if this will inspire him to move home. I hope not. We'll lose him, I hope not,
but he could write a good story on it. Yeah, we'll send him back to visit. Maybe he has too much to do here. True, all one hundred that's all I have for the news. All right, Well, I did want to talk about when we had talked a little, and we may have time to get in some of the UK signings, because of course Britain always has a lot of sightings and they're well, you know, it's another country that at least the media takes this subject very seriously because they've
been reporting a lot we talked earlier about Nick Pope. That probably helps because they have an ex Minister of Defense who's worked on this stuff. Not Minister of Defense it's Canada I'm thinking of, but someone who worked for the Ministry of Defense out there. But they've had a lot more sightings out there. In fact, just recently one of their Air Force guys had reported an orange fireball. And I think this one's important because there have been lots of orange
balls being reported in the last year. In their two thousand and nine Ministry of Defense report, they had listed tons of these sidings and they had that vast increase in sightings. Nick Pope thought perhaps they were due to an increase in Chinese lanterns being used at parties out there, where you light up a candle in the middle of this this volume, it floats in the air. However, this is another case, and we're getting a lot of these cases
where people are seeing these orange fireballs doing things that they shouldn't do. This one flew around in the sky. It then changed colors and it floated slowly straight down. This was seen by the Air Force officer and his wife. So it's another case where these orange balls are kind of doing some strange stuff showing that you know a lot of these sightings and you see them a lot are probably not these Chinese lanterns. And you know here in the States,
in Pennsylvania, a lot of people saw these orange balls. They had a big flat for three years going on. I had John Ventry on the show before and he talked about that and even a siding that hit the media where a bunch of people during the day someone over one of the malls. So the mystery of the orange spears is nowhere near being totally figured out yet, So stay Tunedson, You'll have to bring us more on that. I will have to. There's been a lot lots of research about the orange balls the
Chinese lanterns, but we'll look more into that. Yep, all right, stay tune. We'll have Michael Luckman and more on Rockstars and UFOs after the break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back. I'm excited to have Michael Luckman back on the show, and I want to remind you that you can watch the show live on Open mindset TV. We stream over you stream, and we've got that there on our page, and you can also chat with us and ask
any questions if you have any. We've got a few people, some of our regulars in the chat room now. You can also call in at six oh two two seven seven five three six nine. Or if you're watching online and you want to give us a call and you're outside of the Phoenix metro area, you can call one eight six six five three six eleven hundred and I believe we have mister Luckman on the phone. Hello, Michael, are you there by Alehandra? I'm fine, Thank you great, it's great to
talk to you again. Well, it's good to be here. You know. It's important. Subject twenty twelve us around the corner, and right, we need to define what it might mean for us. Yeah, before we get into that, there is one person that I promised some of the people we would talk about, and that was Michael Jackson. You said, I
know your book has Michael Jackson and some experiences he had. Well, yes, I met Michael in New York about five years ago and he was being, as usual, dogged by the paparazzi and he was having really hard times. It wasn't the best circumstances, but I did learn some very important things. He had an experience when he was I would say in his early twenties. It happened when he was on a plane on a flight over Alaska, and he did see what he referred to as UFOs. It was some kind
of something out there in the far beyond. He actually looked at it from the pilot's cockpit and he asked the pilot whether he had ever seen anything like that, these UFOs that can multi colored and like crystalline and just going out there, and the pilots had never seen anything like it, And he said,
I'll never forget the impression that it left with him. But he was very very much into the subject and even took it as far as he had a hope anyway of being able to perform his trademark moonwalk on the Moon, and had gone so far as to talk to Yuri Geller is a psychic about it, and how we might go about getting onto the mon to sech a
performance. Well, it's too bad he wasn't able to. And maybe, you know, as a commercial space faring you know, becoming a bigger industry, you know, maybe if he's reincarnated as a child, he'll be able to do it in his next life. Well perhaps so, perhaps so. Yeah, that's really interesting. And I mean I was thinking about, you know, I mean, what a life this guy had? You know, often I think about, well, was in this sighting before he was famous?
But Michael Jackson was famous his whole entire life. That's true, That's absolutely true. So what a life that he had? Yes, And he was a card carrying member of the New York Center for Exterrustal Research in my organization. Wow, he actually had a card that I presented him here in New York and I have from him a copy of the card signed signed by him. He was very much into uh the subject and of course he's also into a lot of other, you know, paranormal type subjects. Right.
He was good friends with Uri Geller, wasn't he? Uh? He was, Yes, he was. At one point he was very very close to the Yuri and one of his uh, one of Michael's albums of metal which one Yury had made some drawings which were very UFO oriented. Uh uh that uh, you know that Michael treasured and included in the booklet. Yeah, now that I we talked about it, We talked about Yuri Geller. It's interesting that he came up so much last week and you know here again this
week when we talk about rock stars and his involvement with our lives. Yes, absolutely, and you you knew him pretty well, Uh, Yuri, that is Uh. I've spoken to Yuri a bunch of times. And you know, as I indicate last week, come after him to have that that small egg shaped object that John went in the claims gave to him from the aliens and see what that's all about. Yeah, hopefully one day he'll allow
that to be happened. Yeah. So we've talked a lot about these different rock stars, and before we get on to twenty twelve, you know, one thing I would like to ask is, since you've written the book, have you come across other stories that you wish you would have known of that you could have included, or anything new that perhaps you're going to include in a second volume. Yeah, well, there is always a possibility of a follow up book. But what I didn't know when I wrote the book was
about Robbie Williams. Oh right now now, of course, Robbie Williams is a pop star. Number one in England in most parts of Europe, but virtually unknown here in the United States. And he did, however, buy a home here in the US about the last about two years ago. In how he would and was very much in the press. They were all over
him wanting to know about his UFO experiences. And he had a number of unbelievable UFO experiences, including one where a what he described as a sort of a strip of black light or blue light came into the recording studio while he was making a song that was a pro alien an alien contact song. He zipped around in the studio apparently out the window. And he had some other
experiences as well, and he really pursued this. He went to James Gillian's ranch out in the Seattle area, Seattle, Washington, and spent about the better part of two weeks camping out there writing UFO songs and photographing what he thought, we're through alien spacecraft. Wow, I hadn't known that part.
I was in at the UFO congress a couple of years ago when he showed up, and it was funny because people are are buzzing, and my friend Ross Hemsworst, you know, grabbed him his equipment to go interview him. Yes, and I said, what's going on? And he says, Robbie Williams is here and I said who Robbie Williams. I was like, I don't know who that is, only the most famous pop star in the world. And he, like, you know, said that to me and ran off. I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, I don't know
who this guy is. Sure. I was fortunate enough to have some inside information about Robbie and his UFO involvement, and that made big spreads in the you know, in the in the British papers for well any number of times. Yeah, he made a I know it's helping and I was hoping to make contact with him, which about as easy he was making contact with extrarestrials. Uh, but it just unfortunately didn't happen. I really wanted to involve him in the space concerts that we spoke about. Yeah, it's too bad.
And I know, even recently he said he's he regrets having said anything publicly because now every single story written about him. Yeah, even today, I was seeing something new project he's working on, and of course they have to mention UFOs and his experience, and he's kind of been upset or disillusioned by that whole thing. Well, it shouldn't be too this allusion, after
all. I mean, he did have one of his tours not so many years ago was called the Close Encounters Tour and it featured what lights were lights in a spaceship configuration. So I think that he's you know, fully, I know he's fully into this. The question, of course, is they always do these rock stars always do have to do with commercial deal with commercial
reality, and sometimes their managers get on them. For example, Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker gave Elvis a terrible time about his interests in the UFOs and the code and the paranormal and you know, and actually literally until the people know this, Burn had Elvis's collection of about three or four hundred books on UFOs and the light burn wow, so that, you know, so they give him a message that he didn't want them involved with it. Well,
I would think it would make these guys more popular. It makes them more eccentric, which is what people think entertainers are. So I'm surprised that their managers would shy away like that. Yeah, well, you know, it's it's a double edged sword. I mean when it comes to UFOs, it's like somehouses, like a separate category in many people's minds. And that's
changing, of course. I would say it's rapidly changing. And I think, you know, I think Open Minds Magazine is very much indicative of that change, as well as the all of these hundreds of former military guys who have come forward and said that they'll testify before Congress have granted immunity from prosecution so that they can tell what they know. And it's a lot, Yeah, it is a lot, And thank you for mentioning the magazine. We're
really proud of it. And you know, Antonio, who you've worked with, a great writer. And we had speaking of the military officers Robert Salas on last week who had or a couple of weeks ago now who had his experiences. And then James Peniston, who is at the Rendel Shim Air Force Base Rendal Schrom Forest out there in the UK, is going to be on next week to talk about But these are two people just like you're talking about,
who are ex military, who had experiences. Well, when we get back, we got to take a break, but we'll come back and we'll talk about your twenty twelve research this it'd be great, So stay tuned to Open Minds Radio. This is open Minds Radio here again your host, UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back. This is Open Minds Radio and I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas. We have Michael Luckmann on who's a
researcher into rock stars and their UFO ET connection. However, he's also done an abundance of research on twenty twelve and we're going to talk to him about that. But I do want to mention the magazine that he just mentioned earlier. You can't get at Openminds dot tv. We're very close. We're going to have our second issue out soon, so we're excited about that. But
it open Minds dot tv. And also looking your local bookstore come June first and you'll see we're gonna do some cool stuff with the magazines at Barnes and Nobles and Borders and so you have to check that out. But Michael, you wanted to talk about twenty twelve, and it's of course a hot topic that everybody wants to hear about, So why don't you give us some insight
into what got you interested in twenty twelve. Well, I got pulled in on twenty twelve, having basically there was some stories that appeared concerning the money in calendar port of the way that most people get pulled into twenty twelve. However, unfortunately, the basic premise that I was pulled in by turns out to be you know, incorrect. Essentially, basically, to summarize twelve in
regard to the Mayan calendar, the Mayans, the mining. According to the Mayan elders, the calendar date of December twenty first, twenty twelve, of the last day on the calendar, does not mean a specific physical upheaval of any kind on that date or anywhere near that date necessarily. However, having said that, they that and it does, and their estimation it does mean other changes, and we can see unbelievable changes going on every day when it
comes to the entire business structure of the war. What could be more fundamental than that. So so anyone who denies to the you know, any kind of connection with twenty twelve or the importance of it, were obviously getting very close to it. And what intrigued me also, of course, was the overlap between different different cultures of this general time period, whether it's twenty twelve, twenty and thirteen, two thousand and ten, in any date, any
and all dates in between. I saw the you know, this overlap immediately was clear to me in terms of not only the Mayans, but the Aztecs, the people from all you know, the Bible, people from all points of view, the so called end times, of course, and as indicated in the Bible. And so I was intrigued to look into this some more.
Now, according to the Mayan elders, they feel Maya's always very involved with the Sun, and they're very big on astronomy, and they were concerned about and very much are concerned about the Sun and what kind of damage the Sun could do it might do to us in whether it's in twenty and twelve or in the years approaching or even following twenty twelve. There are things that
we don't have toieve in trust the Mayan elders. We could go right to some current NASA scientists who feel that the Sun could be very dangerous for us. Now, the Sun is a very hot place and it could be dangerous for us at any time. Feeling forth missions that could wipe out the entire planet, you know, in an heart beat. However, it just so happens in twenty and twelve, and this information, unfortunately, this doesn't make any easier, gets changing, so that what looks like one situation at one
point regarding twenty twelve not tied them with a Mayan calendars. For US, NASA is concerned just the fact that it just that's when it happens to be. Is that we're entering a period where the unspots are projected to be enormous uh, sun spots on sunspots, driver weather, uh, sun spots as large as planets, perhaps as a you know, in relation to the sun, right and other things that may that may happen that could wipe out uh you know, uh, our our whole satellite or or part at least of
our satellite system. Now that would do you know, unbelievable devastation, because unbelievable devastation the planet Earth. Uh and really uh you know, put us through uh, I mean all of our communications work via satellite and and and and there are all kinds of things that that would suddenly change and for the worst, I'm afraid uh. And it could be you know, it could be devastating. On the other hand, it might not be as devastating as we think. This year. The sun is what is the spots were,
There were sids of waiting for some sunspots. There were remarkably few sunspots and things that one or two and the first one that the sun managed to squeeze out, guess one wasn't round as they normally are. It was square square.
Weird. Yeah, I know, we're kind of in a valley when it comes to peaks and valleys of the solar cycle, and twenty twelve is out of peak, and you know, I was looking at you know, late nineties, how there is a big solar flare that caused some problems with communication devices, and they were speculating that if that kind of thing happened in twenty twelve, were so much more reliant on the satellites and the communication systems.
That think of the devastation of these four teenage and middle school girls when they can't use their cell phone for a day or two, no text messaging. They won't be able to communicate with each other, right exactly exactly. I'd like to move into a discussion about a little bit on Fatima. Okay, because Fatima is visions. Yeah, okay, interesting Fatima was Kintama happened in nineteen seventeen, and essentially what happened was that free little shepherd kids encountered
what they fought was the Mother Mary. In investigating the case, I found in other researchers have found that there's a lot of UFO what could be considered UFO activity in terms of what they actually saw. More important than that, there was a just as important, there was a massive event that happened, which was the so called miracle Fatima, also referred to by some religious people
as the Dancing Sun. That is a phenomenon. And the people were drawn to a field on a particular day, the witness of miracle that had been announced to prove that the kids had actually had contact with the Virgin Mary and that they had certain predictions and stuff given to them, and hand was. These people showed up. They didn't know exactly what they're looking for. It's a very rainy day, they're looking up in the sky. The it was like a lot of people, right, I think seventy thousand people, and
there are plenty of photographs of these people. There were news, there was news coverage of this, and they're they're hanging out there and they're looking up at the sky. They don't know what they're waiting for. Suddenly there's a break in the clouds and there is in a position where the sun would be.
And this according to the journalists as well as the priests and other just eyewitnesses, there there was a a disk right where the sun would be, an enormous silver gray disc with lights reflecting off spinning off the outer edge of the disk. And the disc moved kind of erratically in the sky and then at one point appeared to plunge towards the earth, and the people were in great fear and they, you know, got down on the ground and they're
praying for forgiveness and and and helping that their wives will be spared. All of a suddenly the disc goes back up into the sky at the you know, more or less at the sun where the sun would normally be. There isn't any sun. There's just this disk and people, uh, people who had been salked by the rain. Their curls are all dry. The ground is completely dry. And that was that particular event. Now, through the
years, the church was given from the from the kids. The Church had the three miracles, and they have to do essentially with uh, you know, world War one and World War two. But the third miracle, the most important miracle of all, was was held by the by the Vatican and only released about maybe six years ago, seven years ago. And when it was released there was great criticism that this wasn't the actual text of the miracle. And they knew this information for years and held on to it and only
released absolutely absolutely Now. The pope was down in Fatima, Portugal some years ago, I think it was in the early nineteen eighties. John poll A second, and he was asked by some visiting pilgrims there, why does the church withhold this information? And his answer was and given the answer, he
just about gave the thing away. He said, well, that it would only cause it would only serve the cause of sensationalism if there were an event that was going to happen in the near future that could wipe out or would wipe out you know, millions and tens of millions of people and more hundreds of millions of people from more moment to the next as a result of ocean footing. Geek. That's scary now, we have to go to break, so we're going to pick up the rest of that story, and I think
where you're going with it. I see where you're going about the Patomas story and its relation to twenty twelve. With Michael Luckman coming up right after this break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former officials, folksperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host
of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, Thanks for staying tune. You're listening to Open Minds Radio and we're talking to Michael Luckman about twenty twelve Fatima, the Fatima miracles, if you've heard that, something the Vatican takes very seriously and the Pope, which is relaying a story to the from the Pope for us, and it's UFO relations because it's seeing Michael, the sun sighting that you talked about, I mean, flew around and very much had the same
characteristics as many UFO sightings, unquestionablyably, and there's also this there's a man by the name of Father Malachi Martin. Unfortunately he died a number of years ago, but Malachi Martin was an insider at the Vatican. He was an assistant or at least close with any number of pops, including John pull the Second. He was definitely in a position of Malachi Martin to have contact and
knowledge of the content of the Third Miracle of Fatima. And he, even though he kept a WD on it for very many years, he ultimately did say this, and he said a lot in a few words. He said that it was his understanding that an object was headed toward a comic type of object or an incoming celestial object, however you want to look at it. Some people have referred to the so called wormwood comet that's referred to in the
Bible. But whether it's the worm would comet or perhaps as other people think, a lot of people on the Internet think that it could be the that it could be the legendary planet X coming here, which is on its way here and which has those kind of devastating effects. Whether it's you know, whether that's going to happen anytime as soon remains to be seen. Even Zacharias sich And, the chief proponent of the planet X theory, doesn't think that
it's coming right away. However, other people do. I happen to be one of them. I happen to think that there's a possibility that that's exactly what's happening when he got this information from ancient writings from the Sumerians, and a lot of the Bible see seems to be also reflective of ancient Sumerian stories. Yeah, it's it all. It all seems to carl a very very well. And it's the best explanation I know of. I mean, how
did the ancient Samarians? And by the way, was interesting is that Samaria is located in northern Iraq, of all places, rights Bertile Crescent, yeah
right and Iraq. Yeah, but but the you know, how did the Samarians know all the all of the characteristics and the positions relative positions of all of the planets in our solar system, plus the existence of one more, which was was Nibburu or planet as Lusisians pretty much saying they got this knowledge from aliens that had calmed down and say to them, he is he calls
them. The refers to them. They're referred to actually in Samerian writings as the as the Ananaki uh and the references in the Bible too, uh to them, those who you know, from heaven to Earth come uh and UH. What's intriguing. Perhaps one of the most intriguing stories that I've ever heard in all my years of being involved uthology has to do with the possible landing in UH of the Annachi UH several of them at Holiman Air Force Base in
New Mexico. UH that was witnessed by UH uh and engaged in by UH uh several military officers UH, and supposedly filmed by our government. UH. This is certainly ultimate type of evidence of the UH you know, of the existence either the existence of U of contact with these knowledge of contact with these beings, or at the very least, even if it might even if it turns out that the Holoman film was a I say, the Holloman film. A few people have seen it, but most people haven't seen it at all.
I've not seen it. I wish I had seen it. But but the but these but this film at the very least represents a training film that might have been put together by the government for psychological purposes to test, you know, whether or not you know how people would react to the quote reality of a UFO UH actual UFO landing. But uh it uh it actually the film UH the Nixon administration turned out to be involved with this film. Knew of the hr all them in of of Watergate infamy, knew of the existence
of this film. I don't know whether they had seen it or not. They knew the existence of the film, and the plan apparently was to release the film at the uh you know, uh prior well prior to when Watergate
happened. When Watergate actually happened. They decided the government to pull back the film because I had been offered to several journalists, uh, to pull back the film and not release it because they felt that it might you know, that's that the government might have I think I know which film you're talking about. And they had offered it to the Disney Corporation and to an HBO film company. And but I didn't know the information about the Anennakai in that there
was a relation between that film and these beings. Yes, yes, absolutely there was a Linda Linda how the cattle mulation researcher, was one of the people actually offered right right film. She didn't see the film, but she was offered the film. And Robert Emmenegger is another one. Yeah, and he actually I believe had seen the film. He didn't actually see the film
from what I could tell. However, the people who we knew had seen the film, and then it seemed and he was, you know, told by various people, including hr All them in I mean, they seem to indicate that they seem to want him to put this thing out. Let's put it that way. Interesting And then yeah, that's an interesting story that they they never did put that film out. They just kind of tease people with it and now pull it back. I don't remember, Alejandro, whether I
had mentioned the resistance of a signal the last time we spoke. I think, okay, Well, one thing that does happen we know on December December twenty first, twenty twelve, the last day on the main calendar, is there's an alignment with the center of our Milky Way galaxy. That is, the alignment of Earth with the center of the Milky Way galaxy precisely from that
area. Currently is a recurrent what could be an alien beacon or at least a signal being put out in the direction of Earth, or at least that's being monitored down here by scientists, by astronomers, and they haven't figured it out yet. It's not I mean, I certainly haven't deciphered it. If it's an intelligent signal, it could be something that's just there and is not intelligent at all, or it could be intelligent. What puts it on the
side of perhaps being intelligent is that it's very loud and very repetitive. That's amazing to me. What's also amazing to me is that the majority of the legitimate crop circles, that is, the ones that we think are legitimate. It's very hard to tell, but but the ones that have been around, let's say for the last ten years and that have not been dismissed ash as hoaxes. Uh, the majority of those crop circles have annaki slash planet X
slash nibru symbols. That's what they're all about, like Someamerian type symbols. Uh well no, well no, uh you know planet planet X type of symbols. How are they able to determine what type of symbols come from Planet X? Where the symbols, Well, you might be right, I mean it's undoubtedly as recorded, but yeah, as recorded by the Samarians. Okay, yeah, interesting, yeah, I know as recorded by the Samarians.
Yeah, So what do you think will happen when December twenty first, twenty twelve comes in the last few seconds, what do you think will happen shortly? Quick answer? It's impossible to give a quick answer. And I wish, I wish I knew. What I do know is it's not the end of the world. Is the end of the world as we as we know it, And I feel fine as the song goes, I don't know either
about that. That's a good way that we'll get through it. I would say that we'll get through it. However, what precedes it and what follows it, I don't know. In other words, that date is not to be to not one isn't to be too concerned about that date. It's sort of a I look at it as a market, but I don't look at it as an actual time state. Well, great, thanks for being on the show again. You know that's a good positive. We don't have to
hopefully worry about the end of the world in major destruction. But thank you, Michael for being on the show again. Check out Alien Rock and we've got links on our show to his book. Next week, we're gonna have James Peniston, who is an Air Force staff sergeant for the US Air Force at the Royal Air Force Base at Bentwaters with an incredible probably the best documented UFO case ever. So you're gonna want to hear about this and him actually
walking up and touching a craft. He explained this on Larry King. But we'll talk more about it next week, So tune in to Open Minds Radio. Remember next Monday, nine pm. See you next week. Please, cous you watch your face oba Alia Saba like a hole movie for folks back home. Y