Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. I am Alejandro Rojas, and as usual I have with me the incredible Jason McClellan, who reading is Alejandro. Thank you so much for having me on today. Yes, I'm glad you could join us, and I'm I'm glad you can join us pretty much every week. Yep. It's always a sad week when I am unable to join you on Open Minds UFO Radio, the show that I love very much. Not necessarily because if you can't join us often it means you're on vacation
and that's fun. It still does depress me slightly when I don't get to join you. You say, and then roll over and go back to sleep. That's right. Yeah, Well what can you do? What can you do? So we have a really cool guest today, another person from Hollywood. We've got Matty Beckerman, who is a director and producer for this new movie found footage movie that has come out called Alien Abduction. So it's been
kind of slowly rolling out that you can watch it online. But what's cool about this is we found out that the guy who did the movie and we're going to talk all about it, he really wasn't into this topic. He was a skeptic, and then when he researched for the movie, he's really into it. And in fact, he's had kind of his own experiences since and we'll talk about that soon here in just a minute with Maddie. So that's gonna be really cool. So, and you've written about this, right,
have you watched it yet? I have not watched it. I really want to see this. And so this is the one that's based on the Brown Mountain Lights, right right exactly. It's kind of it happens in the Brown Mountains where that all takes place, and it is kind of attached to all of that, and there's more to the Brown Mountains and all of those legends and mysteries, and I even knew, So we'll talk to him about that as well. Yeah, do you find that whole story fascinating? And
it's fascinating that that's sort of what this movie is based on. And I love that the guy did did his research into this and so much so that it's kind of convinced him of some things. So I'm really excited to see this movie. All right. So before we bring on mister Beckerman, let's talk some UFO news. So Jason, from the last week of UFO news, and we've got quite a few. What was your favorite? All right, Well, I'm going to go with a cool video. There was this
video of a UFO buzzing of football stadium in Argentina. Now football, of course, we're meaning football to the rest of the world, soccer to us. There was a soccer match taking place in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and this video is from a camera and reportedly at the television camera that was set up, and it's kind of at the sidelines and it's recording. It's capturing the final goal of the game and showing everybody celebrating and everything. But there's
this UFO that you see from one end of the stadium. It appears in the sky and kind of it seems to change its direction and shoot and move at a very quick rate of speed. So this had a lot of people say, wow, there was a UFO. Check out its maneuverability. And even mister Scott Waring from the site UFO Sightings Daily that's routinely cited in a lot of these incredible UFO videos, he was quoted as saying, the UFO
demonstrates incredible agility as it moves up and down in altitude. But what's even more remarkable is its speed and less than five seconds that circled half the stadium. It does look pretty impressive, and it does seem to cover a lot of the stadium in a very short period of time. When you watch the
full video. There seem to be several UFOs in this video, and some people pointed out that, you know, they could very easily be bugs or things like that that you know, would explain the fast movement, the blurs and things like that, And I think we're looking at different things here. I think we are looking some of these mysterious lights that we see zoom off in the video are bugs or birds or anything else that would be flying quickly
through the air. The main UFO, though that seems to have gotten the most attention, does appear very strange. Now, one possible identification for this, and I think it's a good possible identification, is what's called a There are various names for it, but one is a skycam, and you get
the sense of what it is from the name skycam. It's these wire suspended cameras that you'll see at all sporting events that are really used a lot in American football games, and they're becoming more used in concerts and things like that. They provide production crews with these aerial views and they can zip these things along the cables very quickly, and they do move very quickly, and they
would especially be moving quickly. It would make sense at the end of the game when the production crew is getting ready to take all this stuff down. That's one possibility. And yes, they do move quickly, and the camera's not focused on it, so it's going to be blurry. You wouldn't necessarily
make out the detail of it. That's just a possibility. Now, another thing that we've seen in past videos that resembles the behavior of this light a lot is airplanes coming in for landing at a nearby airport, and there are many airports in the vicinity of that stadium in Buenos Aires, and it would
particularly look like an airplane landing if this were a time lapse video. Now, look, judging by the light alone, I was ready to jump on board and say that this was in fact a time lass video like we see a lot of sporting events, because with the apparent change in altitude of this thing and the way it turns and stuff spot on how an airplane would maneuver
coming in for a landing at a nearby airport. But if you look at the audience and the players on the field and the flashes from cameras in the stands, it doesn't appear to be a time lapse video, and if it is, it's you know, not time loss very much. So I wouldn't think that the movement of this unidentified object would be exaggerated that much. So, Alejandro, I think it's pretty mysterious. I am not entirely sure what to make of this light. Yeah, I kind of agree with you on
the skycamp thing. I think that's a real strong possibility because it comes from over where the goal was being made and then zooms off of camera. So I think that's a strong possibility. But I don't, I guess with this one. There's so many possibilities, you know, that are tip normal kind of things that you know. I certainly would not be too quick to jump to extra trestroal on this one, right, And I'm not going to jump to hoaxed video either. I mean, I did notice an anoma in the
video when I was listening to it, and watching it. There is a point in the video where the audio track fades out and then fades in again. There's no reason for that, at least that we know. Of course, there could be a reason, but you know, that's that's a minor red flag showing that the video has for whatever reason, been edited at least one time. So that was mysterious. But I don't really suspect any sort of hoaxing here. Yeah, I think skycam is a good possibility, but
it's just that the possibility. Yeah, and I mean this one. And we're getting a lot of this certain people, and I guess this is nothing unusual. Certain people are getting a lot of attention by immediately jumping to this extraterrestrial conclusion with anything that is remotely different in the sky, and so many
of them turned out to be something mundane. But it's certainly working to make certain people popular, and that gets a little frustrating because it's just putting out more not as impressive stuff out there and getting pressed to stuff that and overshadows some of the stuff that is more impressive. I think, yep, I agree with you completely. Yeah, Well, I thought the video was interesting, you know, it was. There's not something that could easily be identified.
So there, there is definitely a mystery there. I think there are some some possible and even probable answers to it. But it's still a fascinating video and it has a mystery there. Yeah, But I mean the way you covered it is right. You covered a lot of different possibilities and pointed out a lot of the different things going on, and you did a full examination here. But unfortunately, a lot of the people who post this stuff at first just say, oh, look at this weird video. It's got
to be an alien and and that's it. You know, they really don't. I don't know what it is, so I know what it is, right, So they really should do a full examination like you do before they come to any conclusions. But of course, jumping to a quick conclusion gets you a lot of eyes and it gets a lot of people talking about you and not so many people's focus. Yeah, that you are. You're a little too kind to me there, sir, with thank you your kind words.
All right, so what is your story of the week? Well, and they're not just kind with their dessert because it's the best coverage of that story I've seen that he wrote So another story that gets really popular on our site, the one that I'm going to talk about. We have a few other sightings that people can go check out, but I'm going to talk about this thing that Ben Hansen did. So Ben Hanson worked for the FBI.
He's worked for in law enforcement for several years for different groups, and he talks about how, you know, in law enforcement, of course, being able to tell if someone is lying or not is really important, or if
they're deceitful at all. And so he's studied, you know, the nonverbal cues to find out if someone is being deceitful, and he mentions he's no expert in it, but he's used it in his professional career as a law enforcement agent with the different places he's worked, and so he's learned quite a
bit about it. So he wanted to take a closer look at Jimmy Kimmel's interview with Clinton about UFOs, and so he did this long He said he just wanted to kind of take a quick look, but it ended up being like this thirty five minute YouTube thing that I know he spent a lot of time on because, like he said, he's not a professional editor or anything, but he did a good job and putting it together. It's very well done. But he analyzes it bit by bit and he's pretty convincing, I
think, and pointing out a lot of cues movements. How Clinton kind of changed his position and changed his It wasn't as open. He seemed to be a little more reserved when he talked about UFOs and careful, and he seems nervous, if not a little stressed when he was talking about this stuff, and that, to Hanson makes him think that perhaps there's some deceit or at least some stuff that he isn't sharing. You know. He kind of goes on to think that maybe Clinton knows a lot more at this and maybe he
did find something unusual when he researched for oswell. But even though he says that he is Clinton's stress, and I think he makes a good argument for that, it's hard to say exactly why though, because of course, you look at someone like Kusinich who had a UFO siding, and when that was brought up, you know, they made fun of him and it really damaged him, I think a lot when he was running for president, and so I think, you know, it could be just that Clinton's nervous about that,
careful and choosing what he says, so he doesn't seem like he's he's a lunatic or really gone off the deep end or something like that. So it's hard to say why he was nervous, but I think Hanson makes a good argument that he was more nervous during that part than other parts of their talk. Yeah, I think you're right. I agree with you that the body language analysis is great and determining possible elevated stress there, but anything beyond
that is just presumption and an educated guess on VN. Hansen's part, and it's certainly a possibility. But you know, as we've talked about a lot, Clinton is very interested in UFOs, and you know, it would be understandable if he's more stressed or agitated with that topic, because, as he points out, it's been a topic of frustration for him and you know, something that he's hit roadblocks with well. And what's cool is that he's never
denied that he had an interest either. He did look into things and didn't find much there. But of course I could say it would be hard to say that and at the same time not be labeled a goofball, and of course you know how the media can go crazy and go wild with stuff like this, and so you have to really be careful with how you choose your
words. That doesn't happen. I think, Yeah, if it's a topic you know that, you know it's kind of a fringe topic and you're on a comedy show it comes up, you know, this is something that you are passionate about, something you believe in. That topic comes up, you're not really sure how the questions are going to come and how how the audience
is going to receive it. So I understand that's that's something that you and I face, right, you know, when that comes up, especially in an environment like that, I could see how it could be frustrating and a little stressful. Here, all right, where's this gonna go? Right? Yeah, exactly. So yeah, even like you said, we can feel a little stressed when we're doing that sort of thing. So a little bit. But it is really interesting and I think people have found it interesting that
that there was any stress there at all. The headlines that have come out from from articles talking about Ben's and Ellis has been hilarious talking about how Clinton stressed about UFOs and yeah, that's been a lot of fun. Yep, yeap, so because I liked that, right and ires that what was ours talking UFOs with Kimmel's stresses out Clinton? Yeah, that's kind of fun. You're right, so cool. So there's the news, Thank you, Jason. Of course you can go to Open Minds dot tv to see all of
our news and we post stuff daily. Yes, we do, and we do spacing out every week now, so look for spacing Out every week on our YouTube channel or just at Openlindes dot tv. Right, so let's go ahead and talk with Matty Beckerman. All right, I am very excited to have Matty Beckerman on the show, the director and producer for Alien Abduction, the new movie. Hello, Hi, thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I'm really excited to have you on the show, especially because
you're kind of a UFO enthusiast. I understand. Yeah, you know, I really only became that way through making this film. Oh really, Yeah, it kind of converted me into Initially I went into very skeptically, and then after interviewing people and really talking to them, locals who've been abducted and people who've seen the Brown Mountain Lights, their whole life. I converted into someone who definitely believes and really follows it and studies it. Well, how
did you first? What inspired you then to make the movie? Was it a movie your idea or was it a project that was brought to you? Now, it was my idea. My family have lived in the mountains of North Carolina since the nineteen seventies, and I'd always heard the stories of the Brown Mountain Lights. And if someone's not familiar with it, for over eight hundred years, there have been these mysterious lights that appear and disappear around western
North Carolina and it dates back to the Cherokee and Kataba Indians. And it's real. I mean, I've seen the lights myself. I've took taken pictures of them, and there's all these abduction stories that have happened right around that area. Mm hmm. Yeah. I looked into the Brown Mountain Lights, of course, on and off over the years. I got to be on a travel channel show talking about it. But and I've seen lots of video, and you're right, it's one of these mysteries that has never gone solved
but continues to take place. Yeah, it's it's pretty wild. I mean, I'm you know, it's one thing to see these lights like across a parking lot and across a giant valley. It's another thing to see it ten fifteen feet away, and then it chased you down the highway. Now pretty wild. I think you said you've had you had your own sighting. Was it during the shooting or was this trior? It was during the shooting.
I went up there with my wife, and you know, because the Brown Mountain area has a lot of its Native American, you know, history of the Cherokee and Kataba Indians. I brought a friend of mine who is a shaman who trained with the Caro in Peru, and we, the three of us, sat up there and he saw and we all saw like a nine or ten of these giant orbs. It was massive. And I wasn't prepared
because we're just going there in like a whim. So I picked up my iPhone and started trying to take pictures of him, and they're just too far away for me to capture anything, but we took pictures of us standing around, and what shows up in those images is amazing. We actually have these beams of light that are shooting around us. And off of us. And then John, my shaman friend, started doing some energy work up there and you can clearly see these just beams of energy coming out of him. It's
so cool. And I put it up on our website if you checked out Alien abductionfilm dot com and went to my blog section, there's a whole bunch of pictures we took that night, right. Actually, I was looking at those so really strange and and with that, were there other encounters that happened? Could you actually filmed in that area? Right? Yeah? You know we the whole movie is shot where the real lights are seen. You know. We we were on location there the whole time, and everybody up there
was affected by it, for sure. We all kind of felt that that vibe and energy. And the first night everybody moved into their places where they're going to stay at this like old Ski Lodge and Corey, who plays the older brother, flipped out, came and found me at four o'clock in the morning and said, there's there's something in my room standing over my bed. And it was enough to wake him up and freak him out and demand that
he switched rooms. Wow, So we did have a bunch of crazy experiences up there, and there's these lights and in this experience, I mean, there are some people who feel that, of course they might be extraterrestrial nature, but some feel that they could be ghosts too. Right. Yeah, there's you know, there's stories throughout history, being that it dates back so
long. The original story was that there was a giant battle between the Cheroke and Kataba Indians and that in that process the large amount of people died, and the lights are the maidens of these Native Americans who go out looking for them that night. And then there's another amazing folk song called the Brown Mountain Lights where a plantation owner goes out hunting and he gets lost, and then
all the workers go out looking for him and they also go missing. So this repeats itself, and it's a constant story of large groups of people going missing in the area throughout history. And it's always you know, people equated to ghost stories, people equated to all different types of things. But the people that I've interviewed directly who talk about being abducted and talk about gray aliens, that just makes it all the more compelling that something larger is going on
here. And so I guess when you first came across this, you kind of noticed that the government had didn't done some research into this, and you first had chosen the title Project blue Book after that study, right, Yeah, Project blue Book had studied the brown mountain lights, you know, back in the nineteen fifties, and they could not explain what it was. It was one of the unexplained to five out of the tens of thousands of cases
that they took on. And we were contending was that Project blue Book has not actually shut down, and it was a you know, fictional but it's kind of a fun premise that they just went into black ops, uh, and they kept the department alive and well, and that was kind of kind of just a fun way of thinking about how, you know, how the government still involved in the military is still involved now. I saw that on
the viral website that you had. But is this a premise that's also introduced in the movie very slightly, I mean, we don't really get into the heavy details, but at the end of the film, when the camera has been found, what you see is a US Air Force you know, tent surrounding now where this camera has fallen, a Geiger counter reading the meter and a guy walks up with a gas mask and a Project Blue Book coverall you
know, that's a hazmat suit in order to pick this camera up. And that's just a real flight like hint and saying like thank you to ufologists who follow this stuff, and saying like you know, if you guys get this, you know, you get it all right. You know what Project blue Book is, You'll you get that kind of wing well, and that's what's
kind of cool. You know what with this movie is you've got lots of links to actual UFO research and all of that in here that there are different aspects you tried to stick to. And you even have a ufologist that was a consultant of yours and was in the movie, right. Yeah, So Joshua P. Warren, who you know, I met through the process of
making this film. We interviewed him and his interview was great. So we ended up leading the entire opening of the film with interviews with you know, with local people and Joshua Warren and as professor of physics and astronomy who studies the Brown Mountain lights at Appalachian State University, Dan Cayton. You know, I still think and I keep on saying this, I think the Brown Mountain
lights is bigger than Roswell. It's bigger than Area fifty one because people can actually go there today and see these lights, as have thousands of people for hundreds of years. This is a real phenomenon and it's freaky, and that's a really good point, you know. I think that's what makes this phenomenon.
There's a couple of places in the world that are like this, but not too many in America, where like you've said, it's a continuing thing that people witness on a regular basis and has been reviewed on a regular basis throughout the years and has never been explained. Yeah, completely unexplained. And some and there's and it's been studied by the US government three separate times that we know of, and the military are definitely running some operations up there.
There's you know, there's definitely reports of like large groups of military throughout the area, and you know, strange guys in in uh in black SUVs, you know, monitoring people who go out there with any kind of testing equipment. That happened to Joshua Warren. He was telling me that, you know, they were when he went out there with a whole National Geographics crew to try to figure out what the lights were with some pretty heavy duty equipment.
They were pursued by unmarked you know, SUVs, and seems to seems to be some kind of cover up going on there, mm hmm. And less commonly known, I think, is are all these cases of missing persons. Like I was aware of the song, but I didn't wasn't aware that this was a phenomenon as continued through the years as well. Yeah, yeah, And it's a typical thing. People see the lights, then someone goes missing. People got looking for that person, and then those people end up missing
as well, and that is that is a folklore kind of story. That's what happens throughout throughout history. But the modern occurrences of abduction there are are pretty startling. So one interview we have in the film, a woman goes and she sees these these lights in the sky, the Brown Mountain lights. She heads home and she is sucked up against the ceiling of her bedroom. She wakes up as if in a dream, in her bed, and her husband jumps out of bed next door and says, oh my god, I
just had the worst nightmare. I was sucked up against the ceiling of the house. Right as that happened, their daughter comes running in the room and says, where have you two been for the past day and a half. We've been looking everywhere for you. Wow. Yeah, that's the that's like one of the you know, time loss stories, one of many of people seeing the lights, losing time, waking up somewhere unfamiliar to them or familiar.
But this happens over and over. So prior to you know, you getting into the movie, you hadn't really known about these stories, and worse, skeptical, this had to be kind of shocking to you. It was, you know, I went into this really just making a movie. It was going to be fiction and kind of you know funds. And then you know, I started interviewing people. And these were police officers, these were school teachers, these were people who salted the Earth's just great people who had
no reason to create a story. And actually, when I interviewed the sheriff there and I won't say his name, he asked that we not use the interview after the fact. Wow. And I said, you know, of course, he was cared that his reputation would be harmed and that he could lose his job and the ridicule that would come down on him from the department, you know, and I don't I don't blame them at all. And these are you know, these are constant stories of abduction throughout that area,
I know, for me and for others. You know, like when you accept that these other realities or these other possibilities could be going on, it kind of changes your worldview and it can be kind of a shock to that, to the system. Did you experience that, Yeah, completely. And I feel like this is gonna sound a little hokey, but I was almost meant to make this film so that it would change my concepts from skepticism to
open mindedness. And uh, my life has changed because of it. You know, I'm really looking at things in a different light and I have a little bit more faith and kind of the unknown around me now when it comes to the nature of the phenomena, I mean, what what do you think when it comes to you know, possibly ghosts, possibly extraterrestral or other given
your research in your interviews, what do you think you know? There there is an energy there, there is some kind of you know, main like vortex type you know, feeling, it's it's so hard to describe, but while I was up there, it was it was electrifying. It was it
was a different kind of vibe. So the lights coming there, it must just be attracting this type of energy there, And I think it is extraterrestrial, whether it's the actual Graves who we actually depict in the film, or some kind of energy being that can travel and connect with these universe right at that spot. You know, I don't know for sure, but I know it definitely is real. There's something there, and I've been affected by it.
You mentioned the how it would just you know, you covered the aliens and how the extraterrestrial was kind of an answer to the phenomena that you went with and that you're talking about, you know, abduction stories and things like this, and it was important for you. It looks like to portray the beings in an accurate way as to what witnesses had described as well. Yeah, you know, I tried to keep the you know, the stories of
people had told me. I tried to stick to that. And you know, the classic gray alien is in most abduction stories, and so I felt the obligation to keep that, keep that look and keep that feel. So it seems like you had a sense, I mean, in a lot of the movie to kind of try to get out some of this research that you were finding, not just kind of stick to a complete fictional kind of interpretation. Yeah, every scene is based on reality, based on things that have
happened, and based on people's recollection of their abduction stories. One of the scenes, you know, one of the clips that was released that got a lot of attention was that the birds falling from this guy. Was that something that's been reported in that area. Yeah, so in West Virginia not too far from there, Like you know, tens of thousands of birds died and just fell out of the sky and there was no understanding of what it could
be. There's also you know, these giant fish kills that have been happening recently where millions of fish will beach themselves on shorelines, and you know, these mass extinctions I would call them are are something that no one can explain. They don't know why it's happening, and we just put a little twist on it that it is something that's being controlled, right and that yet it's kind of a scary scene where these people are kind of pelted with all these
things. Yeah. Yeah, I even imagine being in the middle of that with it's almost out of hitchcocks and the birds. You know, you've got tens of thousands of birds raining down from the sky. Yeah. Speaking of coming down from the sky, it's kind of interesting too, the footage or that you have of the found the camera that the producers that found footage comes from from the sky. And how did you get this shot, you know
where it's the camera going out into the lower orbit. Well, what we did was our director of photography, Luke Geisbueler, had created this viral video where he took a weather balloon launched it into low earth orbit with a GoPro camera attached to it. And I had no idea he had done this when we first started production. But I had this scene I had written in where the family gets abducted and sucked up in a space and yeah, I didn't know how we were going to do that because nothing we do is CG.
I just didn't have the budget for it. Yeah. I mean we did do tiny little CG things, but we definitely didn't there's not one full CG scene. Wow. Yeah, So we had to really practically do this So when we get on set, I see this giant weather balloon and all the gear started coming in. I'm like, Luke, what are we doing? He said, Oh, We're going to launch the family and into space.
Uh. So we actually did it. We did this. We launched the balloon and we were tracking it with these GPS trackers and one of them was an iPhone, but it would find my iPhone in it. But those shots we got were of the real curvature of the Earth actually space, and the balloon goes up and at a certain point it explodes because of the pressure and then the camera falls back to Earth. All those shots are real. We did not know where the camera was going to land, and we lost two
cameras. Two Oh my gosh. Yeah. The first one is somewhere in the Great Smoking Mountains National Forest and the last no GPS coordinates are. I'm going to post them at some point and then I'm going to give a reward. That is so cool because we've thought of doing that, because I've seen these kits you can buy to do that and send up a go pro and they kind of try to sell them to companies to you know, because you
can mount your logo or something in the foreground this concept. But my DP was the first guy to do this, and then City Bank did it and made a commercial out of it, and people have done this now based on his his initial design. Oh that is really cool. Yeah, it was so much fun, let me tell you. I mean it was. It was a blast, so cool to try to track this thing and figure it
out, and it was so cool. Well, and it's also kind of cool that this And just like you described, a lot of the shots were done without CG, which especially these days, is kind of unheard of, especially with sci fi. Did it offer up a lot of challenges? Were there some benefit to that you found? I think there are tons of benefits to it. I mean I'm a fan of the first you know, Star
Wars original and then episode one like destroyed it for me with CG. Like I mean, I think when you have you have too much computer graphics, it becomes fake feeling. Yeah, and everything we did was practical. Everything we did was in camera. I mean, the aliens are real, and we hid them from site from the actors up until the moment they see it for the first time. Wow, no actors had seen this thing and it
freaked them out. And it's legitimate fear, legitimate scare. It's different when you're doing that versus some computer graphic that's not there yet in the scene the actors can't work with it. Yeah, it seems like that would be a lot harder, which is what they do these days, you know, fearing the grease green screen as opposed to something that's actually chasing you down. Yeah.
I mean we didn't do any green screen. We actually, I couldn't afford it, right, Yeah, well that's cool, And you know, it's funny you bring that up because especially in the transition, you know, when two CG from the Models was happening, I was so different disappointed because I'm a big sci fi buff and I hated the CG stuff because it was just so fake looking. Like I remember, you know, I love the Star Trek shows and I wouldn't watch like Babylons five because of all the CG
and and it does the land. I mean, of course, film is beautiful, the camera work with a lend is all of that can look really cool. And of course Star Wars like you mentioned, oh and two thousand and one, you know, did an amazing job with models. So yeah, although you know, when you go back and you actually physically can see something and you don't have to recreate every little piece, it makes a huge difference. I mean it shows like you know, Star Trek and even what
is it Farscape? Well, yeah, a lot of the models actually there. I mean I'm a huge science fiction geek, so yeah, I get into this stuff. Yeah, totally cool. That's really interesting and which is also great because people have talked about how the film looks so good. You know, the de camera works well done, and I mean I think that's
especially important when there isn't tg work, which everything has these days. Yeah, I'd like the constraint of not being able to do that, the constraint of having to be creative in a different way or you can fix that in posts, you can't because you have to have everything there. I mean,
the birds are real. Like what we did was when the birds are falling from the sky, we actually had four hundred plus birds that I had a crew of like forty people standing on the sides of the roads throwing them and the birds are actually physically raining down in that car and the like stuffed we ordered. Like for some reason, people on Amazon like to create crafts with these giant crows and it's like a thing. So we ordered like every stuffed
bird that you could find on the internet. That's funny. Wow, weird. There's probably a stuff crow shortage out there. Yeah, this for like witchcraft work or something like that. The heck nos. But we have all of them, so hands off. Well, now you can put them up on eBay and that. But we couldn't find Oh yeah we could. We could do that. It'd be funny. Yeah, make the money, yeah, make the money because people buy them. They're using them for their whatever
dark arts. That right. But we we ran out of birds and we needed more, and uh we we figured that you know, the ones that are closer to camera, you could really make out what they are, but the ones that are further down the road, those ones are just a black dot. So we got water bottles and painted them black, got a piece of carpeting and cut them out a black carpeting and it looks almost perfect and
has the good weight to it too, because it's filled. And we were throwing these water bottles with carpeting ripped out in order to get these shots. It was a ton of fun and I loved it. I mean, we couldn't get We had to do that shot about fifteen times. Wow, and it wasn't working. Like, I was having a real hard time getting a first bird impact the windshield of their car. We tried throwing it, we tried getting a rope and like having them run directly into it just wasn't working.
And we had, you know, a huge group of people out there that day, at least one hundred and fifty working on the scene, mainly volunteers, mainly people you know from the university who wanted to help out. Trying to coordinate everybody and keep them all, you know, in place,
it's tough. So finally I was like, it's through it, and I got one of these birds and I put it on a fishing pole and I got on on the roof of the car and I was smashing this bird into the windshield well while it was while the car was moving, so it was it was pretty treacherous. My wife is gonna kill me for doing that's hilarious. That's funny. Well, and what's funny too is that it seems counterintuitive that you know, doing it the way you did it would be cheaper than
CG. I think, you know, people when this verse came along. You think, Oh, people can sit in their basement and make their movie. I have, And it's weird that that it's come about that way. Yeah, it's it's so expensive because the processing power you need is massive. And these guys are artists who do the CG work. I mean they're they're highly skilled and I they're too, We're just expensive. When you get a big CG house who knows how to do it the correct way, they cost
a fortune and because they're used to getting paid that. I mean you look at Avatar and they spend two hundred and fifty million dollars to make a movie. I mean our film was under eight hundred thousand dollars to make. Right. Wow, it's funny and you know what it reminds me of, And I'm sure you're familiar with this because it was kind of before CG was really a rolling and it's certainly not a well produced piece, I think, but
very effective. Was Alien Abduction, same title incident in Lake County. Oh yeah, yeah, that was in like nineteen eighty nine, right, And I'm so I'm sure you're familiar with that, and that was you know, kind of found footage aliened to this family being abducted, and even though it's kind of cheesy, it's really scary. Yeah, you know, for what it was back then, it definitely you know, impacted people. I mean I remember, I don't think I saw it until after we made our movie.
I didn't, but but people pointed it out to me, of course afterwards, and we're like, hey, you need to see this. I was like, oh, man, you know, it's funny because you can see some well known actors in it. Now. Yeah, yeah, you go back, you watch it, and I mean the show Entourage, Sloan who's his girlfriend, is clearly in it. Oh, It's it's so funny to see that guess when they're first starting off, you know, when when she was first starting off as an actress. Right our movie is you know,
on demand right now, we're like climbing the charts. It's like such an amazing thing to see. I'm just so happy that things have worked the way they have and that IFD put us out and we had these amazing producers, Lawrence Bender and Mike Flice and Lawrence Bender, uh did every Tarantino movie from Reservoir Dogs, Wow J and Kill Bill and Glorious bastards like he's Laurence Lawrence is Tarantino's producer, and he got involved really early, and it was
incredible to have someone like that. And that's probably why we've done what we have, is because we had support from from producers like Lawrence and Mike, and Mike did Hostel and Texas Chainsaw Massacre mm hm, and so our little movie, it's like a little engine that could we just keep on plugging away? Yeah, Well, I wanted to ask another question about that, the found footage genre and taking that aspect. So like when Lake County happened, I mean, found footage was not a big thing. Uh, you know
that, and but it was effective in the Lake County peace. But now it seems like, especially for alien movies, that found footage is really popular. Why did you choose to do it and why do you think that is? Well? I had met with this psychologist and he had an autistic patient who was a kid about eleven years old, and Uh, this kid stopped speaking at all. He kind of went went quiet and kind of inward and
wouldn't speak to anybody, wouldn't react to people. And the he used to you know, play with uh with his mom's phone and and and that's about what he would do. So the psychologist gave him a flip camera. Uh, and this kid started using the flip camera as almost his like security blanket, and he would start talking when he would make these videos with that flipcamp it would allow him to somehow filter out all the input he was getting from
the rest of the world and use that camera as his security blanket. So I really found it fascinating, and I said, this is a great premise for how, you know, in like Colverfield or a movie like that, I think someone would drop the camera at some point they're in the midst of this scary, crazy stuff when the giant got zillo like beaf shows up, I'm dropping that thing. I'm running right, But if it is my safety blanket, if it is something that I can't be without, like this autistic
kid, you're going to keep that camera on. You're going to keep rolling right. He's the only thing that keeps your saying right. And that's what we did here, is exactly that. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and you're right it It justifies because that can kind of, you know, deter from the reality of some of the movies where you're like, why are they still holding this camera? Like you said, this giant monsters coming at him or killing people in front of them in there, still holding
the stupid camera. Yeah, they're still in it. But I think we solve that issue with this this way of telling the story. Cool yea. So now that you take this phenomena more seriously, how do people react when you tell them that? Because I'm sure some people ask you, well, you don't really believe in this stuff, right, how do you? I defend it full on. I completely defend it because it's important to me that when people come and share their stories of abduction with me, they know I
will I will be on their side. They know that I will not ridicule them, I will not think they're not telling the truth. I'll listen completely, you know, open hearted, and say, you know, I understand. And I think that's super important. I think anytime you're making a film and you're trying to get the realism there, you have to fully engage yourself
in that topic. You have to completely immerse yourself in the universe that is this, this storyline and I'm in man, are you planning on doing anything else in this this kind of arena influenced by this this newfound knowledge. Yeah. I think the thing that's fascinating me the most right now is hypnotic regression and quantum what is it called the qh H T and quantum quantum healing hypnotherapy, and people are being regressed into past lives and they go back beyond the
past lives into are you familiar with this stuff? Yes? Okay, So they go beyond the past lives and suddenly they hit this higher self, this master, if you will, who kind of is a god in their own life and is your subconscious level higher self coming through, And then people are going back even further beyond that and contacting what they're calling alien life, extraterrestrial life. It's a little known piece of science right now, and I think
it hasn't been talked about. And I'm really fascinated with it because one I was regressed myself about a month ago, and the things that were coming out
of my mouth were insane. And you know, it's one thing to sit down with a medium and have them tell you blah blah blah your relatives or this and that who have passed another thing for it to come out of your own mouth out of another voice that is not yours speaking through you, right, and that actually happened to me. Now, finally, when it comes back to the Brown Mountain lights and all of these people you interviewed, was there one story that stands out or maybe if there are a few, if
you could pick one of them that had really made you think and really struck you. Yeah. So the police officer I interviewed, so he was on patrol, riding past the overlooks, stopped there for a moment, and a giant orb came up over the gorge, up right onto the highway. It stationed itself above his car. He flipped out, started racing away from it. It chased him down the highway for a long time. The next thing he knows, he's waking up in his car, like a day and a
half later. Uh, And he has no recollection of what happened to him. Wow, And this is a typical story. This is something that keeps repeating itself. Right, And why do you think people don't pay more attention to it? I mean, that's so shocking. Why isn't this a bigger deal? You know, with the media and everybody out there. People are dismissive. You know, you hear a story like that and they're like,
oh, this person is just nuts. But the problem is you hear a hundred stories like that and you that's that's where you know, I can't get past it. Maybe maybe it's just like a group think mentality where people are feeding off of one another. But these are not people who want to have this story out there, right, These are these are people who are terrified
by it. And I don't know, I think it's easy for you know, the modern media to kind of look past people as wackos, right, And I think, you know, people don't realize kind of like you said, when these things happen, it's not like people want to go share that this happened to them or you know that. I think they think, oh, well, this cop would have gone to the police station and gotten all of his buddies and they would have all gone to figure out what's going on
and talk to the media. No, well, if he would have gone to the police station and talk about this, they would have all made fun of him for the rest of his career exactly. They would have torn this poor guy apart. And that's not I mean, there's a few of those stories. There's actually a group of people. Josha Warren told me about this, So he interviewed a group of about ten people who were there this night.
This guy and his group of friends went to their life and they were about to go see the life of they overlook and by the way, this is a clearly marked area on the side of two major highways and its own overlook called Wiseman's View where there are signs of that say brown mountain lights, here's the history, and that's where he look to him. No, it's not like it's a hidden thing. So they all go to the overlook and they're about to leave, and suddenly two major major orbs show up, come
right up onto the overlook. Everybody's running away from them, except this one dude who is crazy enough to walk straight up to it. Everybody's like no, no, no, no, get away, freaking out, and he takes his arm and he sticks his hand right into it. Wow. And there's two different sides of this story. One is his perspective and then the others the people who actually witnessed it. He said it was like sticking his finger in an electrical socket, and it was an instant he said it happened
like in moments. I got a few seconds. The people that were with him said he was stiff as a board with his arm out for a good five or six minutes and they couldn't do anything about it. Wow. So there's definitely some time disortion going on there perceptually, you know. So there's all these stories that come out of this area cost Now, when with these stories, it makes you kind of think, Okay, cool, there's a
place where you can go to witness this phenomena. But then when you tell some of these more scary stories, it's like, well, maybe I don't want to go there and check it out. After all. There's there's a guy that used to live there who passed away named Ralph Lale. And Ralph owned a gem shop. He would sell like you know, geo's and cool stuff up there. But he was you know, good redneck hillbilly kind of guy. And he would pack a one and you know, walk out into
the woods and say I'm going to meet my alien friends now. And he would disappear for weeks at a time with nothing with him and show back up, and you know, everyone thought he was just a kookie. Ralph Rayle. But what he had in his shop, and I don't know how true this is, but I've seen the pictures. He had what he claimed was an extraterrestrial body, and he would take people into this back room and show
them this thing. And this is all at Brown Mountain and he said the lights are definitely you know, the UFOs, And he has a picture of this thing up and actually, if you get at Joshua P. Warren dot com, he has the picture up there and it might be actually Brown Mountain Lights dot com too. Yeah, the picture of this alien body is there. It's funny you say that because I had this very picture up when you started talking about it. I was at Joshua Horren site. So yeah,
pretty weird stuff, that's for sure. Yeah. I mean you can't really tell what it is. It's not as clear as that body they found in the out of Comma Desert, and it definitely looks inhuman. You can't really see what it is. But you know, when Ralph Leal died, his shop was bulldozed. Nobody knows why, and the body has never been recovered. Do you get a sense that there is some sort of cover up at the government or somebody knows more and the information is being hidden. Oh yeah,
for sure. I didn't think that at first, but I definitely think it now. I mean because I've talked to people who have seen massive an eye so military and moving through that area and and you know, so this was a hot spot for UFOs or that plasma energy that's been created by the light is something if I was in the military, I would try to figure out a way to harness that energy and use it. And that's what Joshua Warren's theory was, is that that plasma energy is something you know, it's
powered by that's the power of the sun. So if you could tap into that and weaponize it, it could be something pretty formidable. Wow. Interesting, So your movie started. It was premiered about a month ago. People can see it on video on demand on all of the major places Google Play, Amazon, iTunes, and if they go to Alien abductionfilm dot com they'll be able to see all of this. And then also a listing of theaters. Yeah, yeah, we were in movie theaters and you know we're in
Portland, Oregon right now. I think that was the last showing we have. But now you can watch it on demand and see it on most major cable networks as well. Okay, cool, all right, Well, thank you so much for coming on. I think, you know, talking to someone, especially like you, someone who was involved with creating the movie and everything, and knowing all of this background and what you went through makes viewing
the movie so much more enjoyable because you get to see these parts. Oh yeah, you talk about this, and I know where that came from and everything. So and especially for my listeners who are really into the topic, I know they're going to be really excited to hear that this whole experience has kind of opened your eyes to this incredible phenomenon. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm glad it did. I'm happy that it's opened me up and I embrace everything
now. Yeah, yeah it is. But I mean it feels like for me, and especially for a creative person, that I would think, you know, all the possibilities, so much more possibilities in life. Yeah. Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. Yeah, thank you, Okay, thank you so much to Maddie for doing this interview. It was
a lot of fun, really interesting stuff. It's really interesting to hear from someone who kind of goes from from zero to one hundred miles an hour, in other words, being skeptical about all of this stuff to all of a sudden, you know, his eyes opening to new possibilities and getting into a lot of different stuff, as he said. So I think it'll be interesting what comes comes from this in the future that he works on. And I think it's a lot of fun when you talk to these guys and then go
watch these movies. You get to actually see how they incorporated some of their beliefs or research into the film, and so when you're watching certain scenes, you can go, oh, yeah, I remember he said this about that, or he said this about this, and it makes kind of watching the movies a lot more fun. So if you haven't watched Day in Abduction, of course, if you go to our website and look at the radio show, we've got a link to his website where you can go get it.
It's on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, Xbox, the Sony Entertainment Network, so it's all over the place online where you can download it and watch it, which is what a lot of people are doing, of course, and then you can also go see it in some films or in some theaters, and they've got a listing of the theaters and of course you'll be able to buy it on DVD. I'm not sure if it's out yet. I don't think so, but I'm sure it will be soon. But cool stuff.
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