Welcome to the USA Think Tank Crazier with your host Alejandrolo. Hon Hello and welcome. The intro. My music is I like it. It's groovy, but it does sound kind of serious. You know. When I was listening to it just now it sounds like I should be answering Hello. This is all one hundred less and welcome to uf HO dink Tank. Instead of the way I usually do it, which is hello and welcome. Do you have
think Tank Radio? This is all humbro. I like the second way better, honestly, and it demonstrates the excitement that I have towards speaking with you all every time. And I am excited to talk on this subject, to talk to some of my good friends about some of the cool stuff going on in this field, and that includes you, all of you wonderful listeners. Welcome. So today's guest speaking of good friends is George Weiler. He is
a retired major for the Air Force. He was in the Air Force Intelligence and some people will say that, well, that means you can't trust anything. This guy's got to say he's got to be one of the behind the scenes secret keepers. No, actually that's not the case. Actually he does a UFO newsletter email newsletter that he sounds sends around pretty much on a weekly basis. He's been doing this for a very long time. Very cool guy.
In fact, I'm really excited that I've been able to make a friend out of mister Filer because he was one of the people that I was really impressed with on the Disclosure Project. He was one of the witnesses that came forward in May of twenty two thousand and one for doctor Stephen Greer's Disclosure Project at the Washington Press Club, which, as many of you know, got me really involved with this stuff. That was the moment where I was just
like, I'm ready to jump in, let's do this. And that's when I decided, you know, to get out there and try to get this information going. So it was very made a big impression on me. But this guy comes out, George Biler, looks like a nice guy, He's got a nice suit on. He tells his story in a very humble and way, but with his sense of humor. He cracks a couple jokes that, of course the crowd was really serious, as if they had just listened
to the intro to this show. They're just like oh, into good information here. I gotta be very you know, respectful and listen. And not that you know Filer was cracking any disrespectful jokes, but he cracks a couple of jokes, and they just weren't in the mood to laugh. They were just kind of in the moved to absorb what was being told to him. But I thought that was kind of neat because I chuckled when he made these jokes, even though I don't think anybody else or anybody in the room did.
I wasn't there, unfortunately, wish I had been. Anyway. I just really I thought, this is a cool dude. I really like this guy. So the first time I met him was at a MoveOn conference because he is a MoveOn Section director for the northeastern part of the United States of America, not just a section director for a state like I am. I'm actually, I don't know if I think I've mentioned, I'm a state director
section director for part of Arizona, big part from here on south. But so he's got the whole Northeast there, and he's been a big influence on me and others, and he's done a lot in this field. Why was he so important that he got to speak at the National Press Club is probably what some of you are thinking, And that would be a wonderful question that I'm more than happy to answer for you right now. And the answer to that would be that when he was in the Air Force, he was on
an eight Air Force tanker over the UK. This is a while ago. This was probably we'll ask because I can't remember. I think it's even like the sixties and he's on the tanker over the UK when they said, hey, we're getting some weird UFO. We're getting some weird radar blip. Can you guys go check that out? They fly to it. There's this large
object they see boom flies away at extraordinary speed. More interesting. And to get the details on the second one, which are really great, you're going to have to really listen to the last radio show I had with George Pyler on because we spoke in detail about Fort Dix when he was asked to brief some generals. He comes to work at Fort Dix and people are running around. It's like, what's going on? They say, well, there's some aliens running around on the base and he's like, oh my gosh, how
did some illegal aliens get on the base. You know, he goes in and they're like, yeah, some crazy happened and you're going to have to brief the generals on it. He's like, what do you mean, Well, there was a spacecraft that landed on the runway, some aliens got out, tried to run away, we gunned one of them down, and you got a brief general so and he's like, ah, yeah, I don't think so, because of course he didn't want to lose his job and be
marked his insant. He didn't want that reputation as a looney, and so he didn't see this ordeal happen. But this is what he was told, and of course he believes that that's what happened. And both of these incredible occurrences have inspired him to get very involved with all of this, especially since his retirement, and he spends a lot of time. So I'm very happy to have him on the show. And he's actually going to be live just so you know, I'm going to be dialing him up in a little while
here. And as you know, when I dial, like try to do a little dial music. I'll come up with something. But because I had, you know, my guests didn't come through for me this week. He's a busy guy, and I won't say any names. I don't want anybody to fill back because I know it wasn't intentional. Even if it was, you know me, I'm not like a trash talker. I don't know what that's called. I know a flaming is like online, but what's it.
I don't know what it's called. When he just talked trash about somebody, he's straight. It's probably straight something because in the street everything's like straight. You know this or that. I'm straight UFO talking. It's what I'm doing now. That's what we're gonna keep doing. But anyways, George came on on some last minute stuff and so we'll have it on mind. Very very
exciting, as you all know. Maybe I should call this the very Exciting UFO Show, because at least, if nobody else is, at least I'm excited about all of this stuff. And another thing that I'm very excited about, of course, it's a conference that I'm putting together called the Cosmic Exploration Conference, which is going to have a bunch of very critible speakers, some mainstream media, some scientists, some professors, all getting together to talk about
the mysteries of space, including extraterrestrials and UFOs. So many of you are going, wait, hey, hold it, buddy, they're called UFOs because they're unidentified. How do you know they're extraterrestrial. The answer to that is, I personally don't. Of course, people do believe that, and I think that that's most likely the best theory. They call it the extraterrestrial hypothesis. In fact, we'll have Chris O'Brien on soon. I just saw him
do a talk about alternatives to the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Okay, if these advanced technologies that we're saying don't come from another planet, where do they come from? Smart guy? That's what I'm gonna tell Chrish. Smart guy, and he's a smart guy, and he's gonna give us some answers. So we'll talk about that in a while. But you've got a good point there.
I don't know that they're extra treastural. That's not the point. The point is that that's a great theory and it's the best hypothesis I think right now that they are extraterrestural. So, of course, the search for extraterrestural life is such a big deal. It's in the news all the time. Mass is talking about it, said, he's talking about it. Everybody's talking about
it. So let's talk about it. So let's you know, put uupos in there because it makes sense because if we are searching for extraterreustural life, Okay, let's say we find it. Let's say we find it on Mars, which is not out of the question. We're finding water and all this stuff. Let's say we find on the Moon. The Moon's got water.
People, if you haven't noticed, hello, So if there is life on the Moon, on the very next chunk of rock and space next to us, that makes it fairly certain at least increases the chances that life is all over the place. If life is all over the place, then it's even more likely that advanced intelligent life forms have also developed. Would we consider ourselves advanced intelligent life forms? Advanced? Yeah, look at the iPhone. It's
pretty cool. That's advanced intelligent. I don't know, but anyway, we'll discuss whether it's out there. You know, major scientists are talking about that. Let's bring some of those scientists to talk about it. Let's throw in the mixed to UFO deal, see what people think. A lots of these scientists believe in UFOs and think there's something to it, which makes sense. People say, scientists aren't into this stuff. Yes they are, they're talking
about it all the time. It's just when they're talking about it, they're huddled in the corner of a dark closet with the door closed and a lighter because they are too embarrassed to tell the public that they're into this stuff, because they don't want people to look at them. Funny, you and I we don't care look at us. Funny, what do I care? You know? But no, seriously, there are some scientists that aren't afraid to come out of the closet, as the saying goes, and talk about this
stuff and say, yeah, there's something to this. Mitchell Cock, who's talking about it all the time, we talked about this, We talked about Mitchello talking about this. One of these scientists is Ben McGhee, who's going to be on the Chasing UFO's television show for National Geographic and that starts next weekend. I finally got a iowe up for him on the Cosmic Explorations website. You will find that very impressive. He has a aerospace consultant company that
he is the founder and leaked scientist for. He's done a lot of cool stuff. You can read about it at Cosmicdhexplorations dot com or just go to UFO Daily News dot com. You'll find a link at the top of the screen. Or I also have the domain cosmicex dot com, just one that's a little shorter and they help you get there. So Ben mcke's coming, that's really cool. Also, I got an email from a professor at the
University of California Davis. Turns out the University of California Berkeley nearby are the people who are kind of working with SETI search for extratrustural intelligence, and so does doctor Albert Harrison. He actually gave us talk at the British Royal Society and twenty ten. He is in sociology and psychology. Very very exciting, and he says he would be delighted to speak at the conference, so he
will be there. What's exciting about this stuff is that a lot of these people I have contacted, you know, and I'm thinking, man, this person is a professor. They're really cool. They have some incredible stuff to talk about. I hope that they'll say yes. They are very enthusiastic about the idea of speaking with other credible people and with other university professors and things
like that. I mean, so, if nothing else, the speakers are really excited about all of this, and me of course, so I'm really happy that he's going to be able to join us. He talks about extraterrestrial life, of course, and what people think about it. He talks about SETI. He talked about the prolonged effect of working and living in space on humans, on the psychological effects, and this is particularly interesting. I think he feels he feels that the public opinion on UFOs is going to have an
effect on the type of contact that we have. He feels that we will have contact with extradustrial civilizations, and our view on UFOs and all of this is going to have an impact on that communication when it happens. How interesting is that? Terribly interesting? So of course you want to get seats.
And here's another reason why you want to go register sooner than later. I only have limited seating for the banquet where you get to have dinner with all of these cool dudes and it's I think it's going to start to blow up where the seats are going to go pretty quick in the next month. And here's why I'm actually posting a Kickstarter for this UFO Kickstarter. I don't know if there's ever been a UFO project put up on Kickstart. Probably there has,
I don't know about it. It hasn't made the UFO news rounds as far as I know. Anyway, because I don't know any better, I'll just play them and call this the first, the first Kickstarter UFO project. I got a Kickstarter ready to go. There's of course different paperwork, sign whatever that you got to get done, and that's going to be done very soon. In fact, this thing could be up as soon as tomorrow or the next day, certainly this week. And so what I'm doing here is
the conference is going to happen. I don't need Kickstarter money for that. But here's what I'd like to do. We're bringing all of these wonderful speakers to talk about these cool subjects. I would like to tape them. I would like to provide people the ability to buy DVDs at reasonable prices. A lot of places are offering DVDs. I don't know that the prices are that reasonable. To be honest, I'm not gonna lie. I would like to
offer reasonable prices. I'm talking ten bucks come on clude shipping anyway. I would also like to post these videos on YouTube for free. I mean, they're full of ads. I'd make it add full chuck full of ads. I mean, I'm sorry. You know, everything on YouTube has a lot of ads, and but at least you can watch them on YouTube, even though they have ads on them and everything. Or you could buy the DVD and then there's no ads. But at least then people can watch these incredible
talks on YouTube. In order to do that, I need some av equipment. Of course, I've done these conferences before, so I know what I needed. I know how to do it. I just need some help with that part. So kickstarter dot com, if you've never heard of it, posting the project up there saying hey, I want to get some video equipment so I can film these great lectures and put them online and to sell DVDs.
And if you want, here's what you do. You can put in some money and if you put in ten bucks, you get a DVD. Put in twenty I'll give you three DVDs. Put in fifty, you get more DVDs. Put in more, you get even more, including en up to you know, come to the conference and get a full set of DVDs. So check out the Facebook and the Twitter those of you who have access to it, and I will be posting information on this Kickstarter here soon. You can also, of course go to UFO Daily News dot com. So
this is gonna be fun. I hope it does well. I think it'll be fun for something to put on Kickstarter. Kickstarter is very popular and it is a lot of fun. So we'll see how this goes. I think it's I think it's gonna go out. We'll see. So that's enough with that sort of news and my excitement and silliness. Well, you know what, we're not getting away from my silliness completely, but at least getting onto UFO news that's going on. Some of this maybe we talked about a little
before, but we'll talk about some more funny enough. There's a big ad for chasing UFOs National Geographic There is been who's going to be at my conference. There's my good buddy James Box who did the documentary Out of the Blue, who's been on the show who also is on the Chasing UFOs And there's Aaron Ryder. Pretty lady. I like pretty ladies, and she's a pretty lady, and so that's why that's so exciting for me and she. They're all very cool. I got to go look at UFOs with him. I
told you about that. This is on the story with Lee that Lespiegel has. He was I think the first to jump on the discovery of what was on the Baltic Sea. Was it a millennium falcon from far away in a long time ago. No, they think it might be a giant mushroom or something. It looks like it's just this big rock or mushroom type of thing. Funny they said it was kind of a mushroom. But yeah, they
went down there and they were not impressed with what they found. Necessarily, so there's a story on what was on the bottom of the Baltic Sea. Of course, sometimes the story is more exciting when we don't discover what it is, and that's the case in this situation. Also, this has kind of gotten me frustrated. I'm gonna be honest that people going around saying Navy drone causes stir in DC area. People report UFO on a a truck bed in DC and it wasn't a UFO. It's a Navy drone. Hello,
you ran this story. It's like they're just trying to get more buzz out of a story that already happened when they were driving this Navy drone across the country months ago, different people were reporting that they had seen this thing. The media blew it up, saying, oh, people are going crazy. They think the Air Force is driving around a UFO. Come on, now, most people knew, you know, it was a drone or some kind of air Force thing. And so they're making a big deal about this again
because they're driving it around in the DC area. How many times are they going to try to make a big deal about this thing which is nothing. I don't know, but I don't like it. Cut it out. In Ohio, there was a large meteor that shot across the sky seen in Wooster, Perry and Circleville. Wooster and Circleville, Holy Only those are some funny names. So it disappeared, I guess over the Lake Erie area, and a lot of people got excited about that. This is kind of exciting too,
This is kind of funny. I've talked about this quite a bit speaking of secret Air Force or that was a Navy jroone, but this is an Air Force still is the X thirty seven B, this little unmanned space shuttle thing that they've been flying around for like a year. And it's kind of funny because they call this this top secret Navy drone. Yet they release all these publicity pictures and it's in the news all over the place. So not much of a secret, is it. What is a secret is what's inside
of this thing. They haven't said what's inside. They said it was a test bed, but then when they asked, well what's in it? We can't tell you that secret, Well then it was more than just testing. Well, we can't tell you that secret. So who knows what this Spice satellite deal was up there doing. But yeah, isn't that incredible this little thing flying around for a year. Of course, those more conspiratorial minded are saying, wow, they got this little drone that they're telling about that's quote
unquote secret flying around. What could they have that is not quote unquote secret and we don't know about and couldn't have people in it? Even more, couldn't have extraterrestrials in it or monkeys. They used to find monkeys in space. We probably know that. Who knows what they're doing, But that's kind
of an interesting story, I think. Of course, there's more stories about planets being found that hint that they could be host to extraterrestrial life, and that has all this you know, news and excitement has culminated around a lot of news and excitement per SETI. Like I mentioned earlier, Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. They had a conference this past weekend and so that created a lot
of news. Sounds like a lot of fun. Looked pretty cool. Also in the news a lot has been their boss, the lady who led it, Joel Harder, who has retired and now someone else will be taking it over. So there's been a lot of news on SETI for those reasons, including this story from NBC. UFO et or alien scientists debate the nature of extraterrestrials. See and that's the whole point is, Okay, scientists are discussing extraterrestrials. You know, yeah, these things that are far far away and
too far to get here. What could they be? Like? Well, come on, guys, what if this advanced technology that's being seen plying around. This guy's is them better question, my friends? And it should be represented in your conference. And if you're not going to have it in your conference, I'll have it at mine. So hmm. So yeah, so that's what we're doing, and so that's been making news. This is kind
of funny too. Lee Spiegel, of course, of the Huffington Post, our good buddy, has written about this, and he got some interesting feedback. But he wrote about Paul Krugman as economist who and it's hard to get a read on whether this guy was joking around or just being serious. He's just kind of saying, you know, if we want to boost the economy, we should fake a war with extraterrestrial and everybody will get together, we'll
build weapons, and it will boost our economy. So what's interesting this guy keeps making this statement kind of reminds me of Reagan. How Reagan said, you know, we'll all get together and create world peace if if we all thought extraterrestrials were attacking us. So we asked some things. Lee went around and asked, like John Alexander, who's going to be at the conference,
retired Army colonel what he thought. He thought that it's good for Hollywood, which is kind of interesting, and if we did create some sort of scenario like this like they do in Hollywood, maybe it would boost the economy. He also has, says Shastak, who is the spokesperson and a senior astronomer at SETI, who we just talked about. So he kind of said, well, we're all kind of toast if that happens for real. So I don't know how it would boost our economy, but so that was kind of
a funny answer. He asked Carol Rozen, who's an aerospace executive. We've had her on the show. She's a great lady. Also, he asked fIF Simonton, the former governor of Arizona, also an Air Force officer, a gentleman who says he saw the Phoenix lights and thought they were extraterrestrial in nature. Kind of talked about how there's no way to prepare for something like that, and instead what we should do is colonize Mars, because that's something
we could do and may help simulate economy. So that's great a politician who has a more practical idea. And then he asked Stanton Friedman, who kind of looked at it very more practical too, which is is, do we know what practices would be effective on resisting aliens? When we have to convince all the countries and we'd all have to agree on one military tactic. We can't agree on anything. And maybe it would be nice if we spend trillions
of dollars on something else other than the military. Where would this money come from? He says, Krugman seems to be suggesting more lies or what is needed. How about everybody cutting their military budgets in half and feeding people instead. So mister Santon Friedman, the nuclear physicist, with a much more practical solution and kind of saying, come on, en up with the lies. I think we all feel that way. Quit lyon your butts off people China
X files. This is interesting. I'm sure George Filer has something to say about this, and that is China just recently launched a rocket and they are really getting on the ball with their space program. They have been practicing docking with a space station. They don't have one yet, but they want to build one. They had their first female astronaut on this rocket, and some believe they spotted UFOs during the launch of the rocket. How interesting is that
China has a huge We've talked about this before UFO organization. By the way, that was helped start that. It was began by some academics see just some conference. But anyway, all these academics are into this stuff. They
really are. And these academics kind of got together in China and when the government loosened up a little bit and Russia kind of went and minded their own business back in like the sixties and seventies, they went to the government and said, hey, can we want to make a UFO journal And they said, sounds good. Not only can you do it, let us help you
pay for it. And this is an exciting story from silver screen saucers and he really got it from coast to coast am And there's this gentleman named Chase Brandon. He's a thirty five year old veteran of the CIA. He just wrote a book. It is a book on Roswell and conspiracies, and he's pretty much saying, in fact, his quote is it's one hundred percent guaranteed Roswell happened. There was a craft absolutely cadavers. So a CIA veteran talking
about how Yeah, this happened. People get hip to it. Just check it out. So that's kind of interesting. Definitely an interesting story, and hopefully we'll hear more about that over time. Maybe I can can get him on the show. Love being on my show. It's fun, man. And then speaking of radio shows, I want to thank j Lawrence of KTAR local talk radio channel out here in Arizona, a big one. I think it might be the biggest. Anyways, he had me on the show on
Saturday and it was a lot of fun. So check out the Jay Lawrence Show on KTAR. And I want to thank Tony Forty who helped me get on the show, who suggested me. So he's a friend of Jay Lawrence's, I guess, and helps him out with that sort of thing. So thank you very much, Tony, Thank you very much, Jay, and thank you all very much for listening to the news. Next, let's have George Feiler get on the line and let's talk to him about UFO and stuff.
Let's see, I'm going to have to dial his number here. So oh man, I had a song and I can't remember it, so we'll just do that. Dot dot do do do do do do do do do do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Da da da about voo dooo doo. That's all it took. I'm already Dyland, all right, i'd be right, Tylers. Hello, it's Alejandro. How you doing, Alejandro good? How are you fine? It's always fun to hear your voice.
And uh, I was mentioning earlier when I was talking about you being on the show that it was a lot of fun when I saw you on the Disclosure Project. You were one of my favorite people up there talking and everybody was very serious in the room, you know, listening very carefully, and you cracked a joke here they there that made me chuckle the crowd. I wasn't in the mood to chuckle, I don't think, but that certainly endeared me towards you, and I've been a fan ever since. Well, thank
you, yep, thanks for joining. Oh thanks. So how's it going there? It's going good. It's really hot out here in Arizona, so thank goodness for air conditioning. And if we lost air conditioning, I would have to leave this area of the country, I think, but probably many would. Well, that's how how are you doing out there enjoying your summer? Yes, it gets hot hair too. You know it was ninety eight
Sunday. Oh really, so you had a warm weekend, right, you know, we lived through a course, part of it is that we have
air conditioning too, So yeah, exactly, Thank goodness. So I wanted to talk more along the lines because we've talked about your exciting Port Tacks story and some of that, But like we talked earlier, I would like to talk a lot more about Air Force intelligence because of course there's a lot of the UFO situations or events where Air Force Intelligence has been involved, and you have a particularly unique insight into that as you used to be part of Air
Force Intelligence. Yeah, almost twenty years so quite some time is to fly, and I wasn't flying. I usually had a desk job in intelligence. M h. So I guess we'll go historically, so going back earlier on to well, of course, well I'll just ask, you know, going even further than we were talking about before the food fighters. I mean, did you ever hear much in the way of that and when you were in
the Air force stories about these balls of light during World War Two? Frankly no, I heard about, particularly in the Pacific theater, that they had seen, not if they were actually balls of light, but they had seen objects that they thought were UFOs. And it's kind of I don't know if I ever told you my experience in chasing one. Yeah, you did,
but let's feel free to tell us again. Well, I was flying tankers in England and one day they came to us and they said that would be willing to chase UFOs over England. That some of the fighters had not come back when they chased them, and the chase takes a rather long time frequently, and that they had limited fuel the fighters on an hour so fuel. That's one of the reasons the tankers were up there all the time. They said, sometimes the fighters don't come back. Basically, Oh really, I
hadn't heard that part. They didn't say why or anything. They just people don't realize. But back in the you know, sixties and so on, that we lost a lot of fighters, I mean in terms thousands. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the UFOs. It's just that they were not very good airplanes and fell out of the sky and you know, wings
fell off and all that kind of thing. Oh wow. But but in any case, for example, General Benjamin Chidlaw said that they had lost, you know, large numbers of fighters chasing UFOs, and that was even published in Time magazine. But in any case, they asked us if we'd be
willing to chase them. We said sure, And the idea was that apparently if you fired at them, they would return the fire or block it or someway or create problems with your capture your I'm not sure what would happen, but in any case, it was not a good idea to fire on them, and we were unarmed and they apparently were aware of that. So when the tankers chased them, we could play almost as fast as the fighters, and we had, you know, twelve fifteen hours of fuel on board.
Consequence, we could go for a long period of time and make a long chase if it was necessary. In any case, one day we were up refueling in about eight o'clock. All the fighters have been refueled and left us, and about that time London Control called us and said we've got a unidentified would be willing to chase it? You know? We said sure. They said it's over the center of England. We were out over the north Sea in a refueling pattern. In any case, they gave us heading towards actually
Oxford or the Stonehenge area. The UFOs are often over Stonehenge for some reason. Apparently I like that area. Yeah, But in any case, we were like thirty three thousand feet. This thing was like a three thousand feet so we had to let down and we're well excited about the so to speak, and trying to get there as quickly as possible. And we went through our red line air speed of the aircraft and had to pull back on the power. But then I turned on the radar and about thirty miles ahead was
this huge radar return. Now, when you took off out of England, you could pick up the Firth or Fourth Bridge in Scotland, which is similar to the Brooklyn Bridge or the San Francisco Bay Bridge in one of these huge bay bridges, and it was about a mile long, you know, made as steel. And when I turned on the radar, I thought something was kind of wrong that we were picking up this bridge over Scotland, in fact,
over the middle of England. In other words, the radar return from the bridge and the un were almost exactly the same, which was indicate that the UFO was probably almost a mile long, you know, assuming that the radar was working correctly. Any cases, we let down and got closer to it. It you know, filled up the radar screen, so to speak, and we could see it way off in the distance. That it was nighttime. We could see a bunch of lights, like twenty lights. You
know. Really it looked like an ocean liner. Ugh, if you've ever seen an ocean liner, co see. But that kind of a situation only as it's flying. And in any cases, we got closer and closer, we're really only seeing lights, but they're horizontal to the ground, about twenty or so lights. Any case, we've got about a mile or so away, and it's a big, huge radar return and this thing goes straight up in the space. Mm hmm. Could you get a sense of the shape
from the light? Well, I from the light it looked like a cylinder or a cruise ship or something like that. Now I guess it could it could be have been a you know, a circle or a disk shape. But we were looking at it from a side view. M it looked like a long, long series of lights, right, But I really couldn't tell, you know, exactly the shape. But I I have seen photographs and video of motherships that are the long cylinder shape objects. So that's what you
saw. So what do you think. What did the rest of the crew think of this situation? How did they react? Well, most of us saw the lights, but I was really the only one looking at the radar and everybody's it's kind of funny. There's about eight man crew, of course, somewhere in the back and zon. But some were all excited, and you know, I thought it was from outer's space, and others didn't think it was anything significant. It's almost from from denial to you know, we
saw a ship from outer space. Now. The interesting part of the story was that, you know, we land, and we tell people, and some of the people in the squadron leavers and some don't. You know. It's kind of like if you ever you happen to have a sighting today,
you know, as a person, not everybody believes you. There's this factor about, but in any case, a couple of weeks later, there was a what's call it dining in where they invite the officers to the officers club and we all dined together, and the speaker that might happen to be Prince Philip really and Prince Philip gave a nice talk, and after his talk he said, I would like to have dessert or you know, finish up dinner and talk to the aircrews that have been chasing UFOs. So we were real
surprised that he knew that we were chasing UFOs. But when we thought about it, London Control was the one who was giving his headings and everything, so he probably had a contact there. So any case, we sat down with him and he was very friendly and really a nice guy. And there's about eight of us, I guess, and he was still real dapper back then, I'm sure, huh. A couple of the other crews, well, he was like forty or so and maybe fifty, but he looked young.
And he was a you know, flow planes and was into that military type stuff, you know. And in other words, he felt comfortable with us, and we felt comfortable with him. And that was the same night that you had your sighting. No, this was like two weeks later. Oh two weeks later, okay, wow, but still pretty close. That's incredible, and well, I was very impressed by it, frankly, I mean, and the fact that he was interested in the UFOs made me become
more interested. And one of the reasons something do you know that I'm still studying him after all these years, but of course I want you to see one and believe it. But not only that, is that he confirmed to
us that the UFOs you know, are real. And I asked, I told him my story just pretty much like I told you just now, and asked him why he was interested, and he said that Lord Manbatten or Earl Mandutt and his uncle had raised him and his uncle had also seen them, you know, like we had, apparently when he was in the head of a task force or something in the Pacific, and that so many words, because his uncle believed that he believed and he wanted to find out more about
them. And I understand that the whole family through the years is you know, kind of looked after them and received like you know, the British documents on them and so on. His aides would go out and interview the various
crews that we're seeing them or you know, individuals type things. As a matter of fact, there's some books about that his aides have written saying that even going so far as the saying that Aliens wanted to meet with Prince Philip, and I don't know if this ever occurred, but in other words, people high up, you know, with very high clearances and so on, like Prince Philip would have know a lot more about this than they. Certainly
the average person in the public knows about it. Well, yeah, he's married to the queen, for goodness sakes, and it's always so interesting. I always wonder, because him and his uncle have been so into it, what conversations, what she thinks she's because I think they've probably had conversations, and we know she's read books on crop circles. So I always wonder, you know, what conversations they may have had, and where the Queen's interests
lie, or any of the other princes. But he apparently got the data on a regular basis. And of course some of our presidents like President Reagan and Carter have been very interested and they have asked for that intelligence data and
be filtered through them. Now, besides my job is flying, I have almost five thousand dollars, but I would be an intelligence officer and I frequently brief generals and admiral as far as you know about intelligence, and I would say once a month or so we would we would have a sighting pretty much like you get you know, a UFHONU had seen a UFO and flew off
their wing or you know, flew over them. I don't know if you remember the sighting over Tehran, Tehran, And in any case I brief that the general staff about that sighting, and that one that one stucks on in my memory of the fours try to attack a big mothership out near Tehran, Iran and their weapons systems essentially wouldn't work and they had to turn back to
land. That in a Tehran Air Force base. But in any case, on a regular basis, we would brief about u F. But it wasn't you know, I didn't learn, you know, if we hadn't captured anybodies or anything like that. Did they ever talk about their ideas about the nature of the phenomenon. Actually, whenever I briefed the generals, they would just kind of smile and look at each other, and you know, they never criticized me or anything. It was just like, this is something that exists
and we like to know about them. Say. I was at various times in Tactical Air Command and and Military Air Command, and as as the briefer for the four star generals, so we would get most of the data that was coming on, you know, the coming through the channels. We would get the information from the IACIA, the Air Force channels and so on.
It was mostly the aircrews that were seeing them, or like you know, say the Brazilian Air Force or some other air force around the world that had a good sighting and it would report it and would get into the traffic and people were aware of them and just kind of treated as something that existed, you know, in the sixties with your first sighting, and were you and or the crew at that point afraid to report what you had seen, because
that seems to be predominant, at least especially these days. Well, well, we wrote it in the navigator's log, you know, such a time we saw UFO and that was about all we did. And nobody really made much of a big deal about it. Prince Philip was the one who made the biggest deal about it. How cool, which was kind of strange, you know, mm hmm. I mean, air force people really didn't make much of a lot of it that you know, reported it as something else
that we have seen and something unusual. You know mm hmm. Yeah. I had an interesting story from an older gentleman at a kawanis I did a talk at and it was kind of funny because everybody was polite, but you could tell they were like, I don't know about this stuff. And there was a table of older gentlemen and there was this one businessman who was very interested and after everybody had gone, he was still doing business there. And
there's a table gentleman much older. I mean, these guys were a lot older, and he said, thanks for talking stuff. You know who should talk to is that guy over at that table. Because I had been by that table and they didn't seem too interested. I was handing out mupon fla and telling him about moufon and so I went back to that table and I talked to this older guy and I said, you know, I heard you were in the air Force and I should talk to you about this stuff.
And his friends kind of leaned back and chuckled and they all look at him and he says, oh, yeah, those damn things. I used to have to chase those things all over the place, and you know it really then everybody's like, oh wow, hand me a fire, you know. Then they're all excited and wanted to hear more. But I always just said, you know, I'm fascinated about that period of time because things were so much different. It seems before this real ridicule factor had solidified or it become
so predominant. Yeah, Well, the news mean he used treated as a very serious situation, and I think later on they got into the you know, scoffing at it. There's some indication that a government program to do that. Well, that's interesting. You know. That segue is exactly into kind of what else I wanted to ask you about. Are some of these well
what we know and what's just theory? For example, it's theory in many cases that especially, I've heard some theories that this whole phenomena is just created by this idea to make the Russians back in the you know, sixties for instance, or eighties even and during the Cold War, to make the Russians kind of chase their tails and go on wild goose chases and think that we recover technology that they don't have, or make them think that you know,
there were ufoster to kind of weed out the trails because I know, you know, one tactic and maybe you can tell us about this is to seed some false information and see where it goes. Jeuice, you can find out where that the information lines are and that this whole phenomena is the air Force back then, you know, creating all these stories to mess with the Russians. Well, my personal belief is that you know, the UFOs are here
and have been here from other planets. I think guess they could be from under the sea or you know, someplace like that, or hiding in mountains or whatever. But I think there's objects at least that I saw and had on a radar that you could not explain as belonging to anything that humans had built. On the other hand, as far as the Russians are concerned, I know from intelligence sources that they were very interested in UFOs, just like
we are. Almost all nations of the world are, because they're an advanced technology. And if you can get a UFO and you know it re engineer, so to speak, that you have a very advanced craft. That's a
very important object. And I do know that this. I was told by several people using Richard Dodi that we had manufactured documents to sell to the Soviets that had some truth in it concerning UFOs, and I had, you know, some false data and that they were more interested in buying UFO data than they were, you know, as than something like our own at that time would be like an F one eleven, you know, in other words, our advanced aircraft. They were more interested in the UFOs they were in our
advanced aircraft. Now maybe they had comparable data, you know about our advanced aircraft. Weren't worried about that, but they were very interested in buying data on UFOs. If you think about most nations, whoever builds the latest aircraft, it probably has the best craft, and then you know, next year we build the best one, and the following year the Soviets build the best
one. That kind of thing. Consequently, in most cases that our nations aren't that much ahead of each other if you follow me where if you get into it a UFO technologically, it may be one hundred or even you know, thousands or twenty thousand years ahead. But they just found a cave in Spain where there's what looks like a mother ship painted on the wall, and they figured that the cave drawing is forty thousand years old, so they may
have been visiting us for eons of time. And there's another factor that people don't think about. If you look at a chimpanzee body or bones that are two hundred thousand years old, their brain is exactly the same size it is today. And if you look at an ape brain and you know, two million years old or whatever, that's exactly the same size as it is today.
And the only really different Homo sapient type thing, in other words, the brain that's different as in people in humans, in our Homo sapiens, our brain has grown through the eons of time from you know, like from a orange sized brain to you know, a melon sized brain is like tripled
into size. Well, why has you know, chimpanzee brain, says stayed the same, and why has our brain through the years grown so much larger and made us so much smarter and so well, assuming that they we've been visited all this time, and maybe because somebody's meeting with us who happens to have larger brains, and so suspe just speculation that that that we may be almost you know, like catlet or dogs that we breathe and increase in intelligence
and capa and so on, we maybe somebody else's harm animal citizens, right. I want to get more into those ideas. But I'm really interested in talking to you more about Richard Dody because he's such an enigma and I've interviewed other people on that whole area, and I think that his story is really important. It's difficult because I don't know. It's hard to know with him
what's truth and what's not because the story has changed here and there. But he was Air Force Intelligence out of Kirkland Air Force Base, and we know he was releasing different UFO documents and things. And so when you said you've been able to speak with him, yeah, he's also a police officer, I don't know if yeah, I knew he was a police officer. I think in New Mexico at least for a while. I'm not sure if he's still doing that. But so, what sort of things did you talk to
him about? Well, I asked him about, you know, his experience in the Air Force, and he basically said that they, well, part of their job was to hide our advanced fighters like the one seventeen and so on in In other words, they want to keep certain military capabilities silent and sounds funny, but UFOs aren't a good explanation for advanced aircraft. And I think there's a certain amount of you might call a truck wery there that we're
trying to hide our capability it is. And I think some of the UFOs that are being seen even today are you know, advanced, not very aircraft mm hmm. So, and that's what it seems like he was doing at Kirkland with Paul Benowitz. Is Benowitz was seeing technology, and that's what he said before, although the stories kind of gets more of that, uh, And then he was trying to make him see me like he was seeing UFOs.
So if the Russians caught wind, you know, they would think this guy's some crazy guy seeing UFOs and he thinks there's echieth and stuff, and so they wouldn't really put much stake into what he was saying. People don't remember too much, but we were virtually at war with the Soviet Union at any time, you know, basically could have destroyed the world or ourselves at
least, and the Soviets, you know, and everything. So a lot of well things were done that maybe you don't agree with completely, but you know, they were trying to protect the United States and in effect the world from you know, World War three, So you sometimes you do things that may not be completely on the upper up. It's kind of like all all games and love and warm that. I think he was doing his job, trying to protect the country, and not everybody would agree with what was done,
but it's reasonable that would be done to protect their assets. Mhm. With dirty And it seems is though he was I mean, he was releasing to document and information that wasn't true. But he also says that some of what he released was true. Do you get a sense of what was true or not or is it kind of that difficult for you to determine as well? Well, you know, you go back to let's say, Roswell.
Mm hm. That's the first time most of this came up, you know, and there's allegedly a crash at Roswell and I talked to astronaut, you know, Edgar Betchel, and he said it was real as occurred. And I talked to you know a lot of other people, a military and the light who all basically said it was real, and at least all my contacts indicate that it was real. Now, one interesting thing is that the higher that I want in contexts, the more the aliens looked like us. Mm
hmm. I don't know if that makes sense, but you know, there's this story that they look like grays and so on, and then there's other stories that they'd look very human and mm hmm. There's even indications that that some aliens are helping us that look very human. They generally described as you know, as the Blondes. Well, and I guess to get back to
kind of some of Richard Dody, it's just one of these suggestions. One of the suggestions was that because he seem to be putting out a lot of information, he claimed to have broken into Paul Benowitz's offices, which is, you know, not necessarily legal, and at least, like John Alexander has suggested, he was probably rogue at some point. Some of those things were
probably things he wasn't sanctioned to do. Being an Air Force intelligence yourself, do you think Air Force intelligence would go that far as to tell people to break into people's offices to kind of monitor them. Well, I never heard any personally, you know, never heard anything like that. Mm hmmm. R. In other words, anything illegal is illegal, if you know what I'm saying, it's one thing selling the Russians something that may not be you
know, completely true documents. It's another thing to break an entering. But Benowitz was a essentially was working for the government, you know, with contracts and so on, and it was causing problems. And Uh I talked to I forget the captain's name, but they his commander and the general that was a commander. I tried to look into the ben I went to affair for a while back and m h talked to different people over him, and they
didn't have real high praise for him US but other way mm hmm. Yeah, and I and I got the impression that he got into some kind of trouble mm hmm. Then he ended up leaving O s I and working in other areas in the Air Force mm hmm. Yeah. Indicated that he went somewhere else, you know, I don't know, but at least with me, he always was very forthright I think mm hmmm. Talked about he had
UH guarded a UFO at one time. I'm apparently an alien UFO that they they had captured one or it landed or whatever, but he was guarding it out towards somewhere in Nevada. Mm hmm. That he kind of indicated they had been here, but we're gone now. Was so I don't know, Yeah, I know he promoted the oh Man I cannot remember the name, oh Surpo documents, which was that's what the scenario was there is that, you know, they came kind of the close encounter thing. We exchanged humans
and aliens and they aliens stayed here, humans went out there. They brought our humans back, we gave them their aliens back and it was just a scientific exchange program and then they left and that was it. And according to the CERPO documents, you know, there was no more aliens coming here after that and that was our only contact. Well, of course we're getting a thousand UFO reports a month, so somebody's flying around. I guess it could
be Thisss identification and all that. Now getting back, I guess some of them are still arown. Yeah, getting back to what you were talking about with the different types of creatures or different types of entities reported. You've been in this for a while, have you seen a trend? I know? And what are your feelings that on the types that are most likely visiting?
If there are well, there's one group apparently that looks pretty human. I mean, if you saw them in Walmart, I might say they look a little bit different, but an awful lot of people in Walmart look a little bit different. Goodot. And the other thing is, well, there's stories of the grays. I've talked to a lot of abductees who claim they've seen the grays, and but I think most people are aware of what they look
like. They're you know, four feet high, with larger heads, that kind of thing, and kind of a grayskin, but basically humanoid other than the fact that the head is larger than than the average human ess. But that way in large eyes and so on. And recently I've seen it written about, you know, the insectid types that I've never seen those or hurt anybody, you know that who is an abductee personally that claim. So I don't know how factual that is. That almost seems like a white mirror type
thing. It's not, maybe it's not, you know, it's it's hard to determine what's true and what's not. But I have enough people who have claimed to have seen the well human kind, you know, the blonde type, although they're now blonde, but you know, light skin might eyes and light hair. Sometimes it's blonde, sometimes it's a you know, redder or
sometimes a light brown type thing. But in any case, that is at least the people that I talked to and claim to have seen them, the abductees and so on, that seriously what they're talking about or the or the grays mm hmm. Now there may be other types, but I haven't had any you know, contact with that with those types, whether they actually exist or not. M. Now, when you were at Fort Dix, and I can't remember the year, so maybe you could share that with us.
There there was an incident where people had reported a craft had landed and they wanted you to preach some generals on it. What were the what were these entities described like that? Well, that was described pretty much like a gray mm hmm. This was just January eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight. Mm. And did they have uniforms on or anything? The description wasn't very exact, but I got the imperson it was a silver or you know, gray uniform,
pretty much like a flight suit. M. Now, in this situation, did the craft and the entities leave or did they recover all they recovered that night. Correct, Well, what what one? Uh? The story was that alien you know craft landed on Fort Dicks in a secure area and a military policeman happened to come upon them and ask so many words, you know, stop or shoot, and he shot and killed one. Actually he wasn't killed. He was wortally wounded at the at the time at being shot.
And the craft supposedly took off otherwise it wasn't there, although there's some question whether it actually stayed or not. But that was a story we heard.
And the alien ran from Fort Dix to McGuire Air Force please which are side by side, just a fence supports dividing them, and he ran over to the runway where he was later found then on the runway by Air Force security policeman who I talked to and said, yes, that he saw them, and he guarded you know, he guarded the body along with some other Air Force security policeman, but he never got very close to the body, so he couldn't you know, say for exact exactly what it looked like other
than that look he might say alien. M Now, I've talked to other friends about it, even generals and they said, well, it could have been like a deer or something. Now he denies that. Now. I went into work that morning at like five o'clock and i'm, you know, the general's brief are normally at eight o'clock. I would give a briefing. Actually easily, we had to have a seven o'clock briefing for the colonel's and they had decide if what I said was correct or not, or something they
didn't want to tell the general or whatever. Normally they didn't say anything, but could be. But in any case than at twelve o'clock we had briefed the generals about what was going on, and when I went into the command post, they said, I'm just telling you it was pretty much already saying that an alien was found that you know, shout at Fort Ditch and ended up at McGuire that was coming in from Mike Patterson to pick up the body.
And then I should brief for general eight o'clock. And I questioned, you know, an alien like you know, somebody from some other country, and they said, no, no, it was an alien space, which was kind of surprising obviously, And I question, and at this point, it's a colonel's telling you this. No, it's the it happened. The fellow that was telling me was the was his senior master sergeant that much ran
the ran the command post for twenty first Air Force Command Post. There's there's colonels in there, but the sergeants do a lot of things, you know, the kind of like running the place like our restaurant or something, you know where the uh, the fellow kind of really in charge on a day
to day basis. Isn't the owner, you know, or the highest ranking person they're They're making other decisions like who's going to pick up the president or who's gonna That's sound funny that we were in charge of all the flights for the president on down and there's some three hundred aircraft that would fly from basically from India to the Mississippi River. We had half the world with wo and in the case, they were telling us to brief General Sadler and the staff
about what was going on, and then just prior to my going on, they said they didn't want it briefed that And I was glad because I'd have difficulty proving it one way or the other. I didn't see anything. I'm just getting these reports from various people that are on the fight line and the wink amand posts, and I talked to security police, and I talked to three other people at the control towards try to get confirmation. Because Tom Zadler
didn't have a real good sense of yoga. Although he's a nice guy, I'm not sure he would have accepted that. You know, I didn't actually even see the bodies, so I'm not even sure to this day. But I do know that one came in and picked up something wow. And I talked to a major who flew the plane, and he he knows that he picked up something special. He's flown in in the middle of the night,
you know, the first thing in the morning to pick it up. All this has done very secretly, and very few people really know about him that kind of thing. Mm hmm. The idea is to pretty much keep things quiet. I think I think they're afraid that, well, what our aliens likely to do, it's not really known for certain m and their technology is so far advanced to ours that they could probably do anything they want. And and it almost appears that through the years they've been helping us, at least
to many of them, mm hmmm. One question is that have you ever tried to talk to anybody at Right Patterson to get an idea of, you know, what they would do with this sort of stuff, or if they get a sense of if they someone remembers receiving that, or if they have this sort of thing there. Well, I've talked to dozens of people from Right Patterson pretty often, and the average person who would just you'd say, well, you know, show me where it is, and they'd say I'd
like to know myself. But most people acted like, you know, yes, there was something going on, or at least there was a lot of rumors to the fact interesting. But I'd never talked to anybody at Right Patterson who kind of took you aside and said, look, I know there's stuff I've worked on. This stuff just well, I've never talked to anybody who's been on active duty who would admit to anything other than they varied the rumors.
Now I've talked to people who will even call me and say that they worked at Right Patterson at one time and they were saw the UFOs and had one fellow say that he saw one texting down the runway. Another fellows say that he would go underground own two or three times a week, and he would inspect the UFOs and make sure that there was no no biological or chemical or nuclear problems on board the UFOs before they let the scientists and to examine
them. Hmm. I mean, I've heard all kinds of stories. Whether you know whether they're true or not. Is well that that, you know.
I send on my filer's files to eleven thousand, a couple of hundred people a week, and consequently a lot of people read them and if they have any interest, you know, they'll they'll call me or you know, and I don't know if they're telling the truth or not, right, but but there's enough stories that I think there's you know, there's and the fact that I've seen them would make me believe that there's something to the stories.
M that's all the detail about it. I don't know. Yeah, it is interesting that Right Patterson seems to come up so often in these stories. Yes, and if if we get a Chinese fighter tomorrow that lands in nationalists China and they release it to the United States, it'll go to right Patterson. Then it'll be taking apart there, you know, And so many words that's our engineering hub where all this kind of thing is done, whether it's a UFO or a fighter from another country or whatever. Now, I guess
before we're done, we're almost out of time. But you had mentioned you believe that they've been helping us. How do you think they've been doing that or what makes you think that? Well, people who some of the people who get my files or from work for a Lockeed and Boeing and so on, and they've mentioned that. Now, I you know, I have no first well, I have first hand information that they've told me, you know, face to face that they were being helped and been rich. And others
have made comments along those lines that were being helped. And if you think about it, of our technologies has rapidly advanced in the last fifty years or so, and all the attendant Colonel Case, of course I said that said that as well. And I don't believe everything, of course I said, but I think I think he was truth in saying that. M and a lot of a lot of people that you talk to indicate that there's something along
that line. And then then if you start thinking back, even even the rapid development of of humans, you know, Homo sapiens and these kind of things. And I happened to talk to a lot of abductees who feel that in many ways that they're being out. And for example, you know woman I interviewed the other day who said that she was dying as a as a girl, and the doctor came in and said, well told told the family in somebody words psych goodbye to her that she would not live throughout the night.
Well, that night she was picked up by what she felt was aliens. I guess they could be angels, but you know, whatever is. They came and they hailed her, took her bout a craft, hailed her, brought her back. And the next morning her parents came in to see expect to see her dead, and she said, you know, can I have some breakfast? I'm hungry? But she swears that's true, and her
family swears it's true. M hm. So I feel that and and I've similar type stories and in many ways now some people are fighting to death obviously, right, but if they get over that, at least a lot of people have good memories. M h. Yeah that and well I hope it's true. Let's put it that way, right, Yeah, Like what you say they have their best, their best, what's the best for them? In mind, they also help us when they can't. Be a little bit
like a farmer, you know that's taken care of us. He's going to do things that helps the cattle in the long run. But sometimes they don't. Yeah, sometimes they scare the hell out of the cattle. Right. But I and if you think about it, we could have been destroyed anywhere along the line and at will m HM and people have been in Chernobyl and the recent Japanese situation. You can look at the film of the of the power stations there the you know, the nuclear power stations, and you can
see the u of os they're around. The point is is that a lot the situation could be a lot worse than it is. Yeah, all right, well we are out of time. Thank you so much for being on the show again. People can go get bilers byle at nationalufocenter dot com. Is that the best U r O or just just right major Star at Verizon dot net and I'm happy to send it town major Star att net YEP for free and we get about one hundred new people awake that it. Wow,
I mean those people seem to like him. Yeah, you keep busy. I mean, you don't miss a step. I mean I've been getting these for years now and they just keep coming. You must keep really busy at this about fifteen years yes, yeah, wow, long time. So that's great. Well, thank you for the work that you do in this field and it's wonderful. And thanks for sharing your story stories here with us today again and we'll be in touch for sure. Okay, anytime. Thanks,
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