Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I am here with this quirky little fella, cool little dude, Jason McClellan. Yes, I am here, But Alejandro, I don't know. A week after week, you seem to take great in highlighting the fact that I am short. Believe me, I'm quite aware of the fact that I am a little dude. You don't need to highlight that, do I I noticed, you know, I did take note when I did it this time, and but I didn't realize I do that often. I'm
quite sensitive about my lack of height. Okay, what's one of your favorite features? And that's what I highlight from now on. I have fantastic ears Okay, great, Not really, I don't. I don't have a good feature. My good feature is shut it out. I don't know. I have a fantastic radio voice. Okay, okay, so I'll stick to something else next time. No, feel free to rip on me for being short. I'm perfectly fine with it. Well, it's like it's it's an endearing
characteristic. I think. As long as you say it that way, I'm cool with it, all right. Cool cu cool, so of course we are here to talk some UFOs, and in a little bit here actually Jason and I are going to bring least people on and all three of us are going to be talking about the best UFO cases of twenty thirteen. Get ready for it, people, because this is awesome. We fight it out, we scream and yell at each other. We're not even friends anymore because this
is actually, as you guys know, our interviews are pre recorded. We just did this like yesterday. But yeah, we just got mad. I'm pretending to like Jason, but I'm so mad at him. Yeah, it got heated, pretty upset today. It's hard to talk with you, Alejandro and put on a happy face, but put out a happy face. Crap. There were so many stories last year, and I think we barely barely had the time to scratch the surface with all the great stories we wanted to
talk about. Yeah, we barely scratched the surface. And I think we both talked about this about how it was shocking really when you put it all together, how many really important things happened last year, right, Yeah, definitely, So you'll hear more about that and a bit. However, before we get into all of that we always like to cover the best UFO news from the last week, and I think it's safe to say that this last week has not been you know, so far twenty fourteen, it's not been
a stellar UFO year. You know, I think it takes people a while to recover after the holidays and get back to reporting the good old news. So but you're right, man, last week was a slow one. Yeah, so pretty slow. So go ahead, Jason, what do you think is your best the best story? I don't have one. There you go, there we go by kidding well, I would just like to highlight this story. There there was a guy who put together a video warning aliens to
avoid Earth. Now he did this in good fun, but it was a video created in response to a blog post he saw that that said, it's funny how science fiction universe is so often treat humans as boring default every man's species, or even weakest and dumbest. And you know, that's that's true. You know, pop culture likes to depict extraterrestrials who come to Earth is
being vastly superior and violent and wiping us out and all that. But you know the reason I'd like to mention This is because it highlights something that that I think is a very common opinion of extraterrestrials, you know, not just in UFO community, but just in humanity in general. We like to think of extraterrestrials as being vastly superior in every way. We like to generalize and think that aliens or extraterrestrials will have one set of ways they operate, just
just one type of extraterrestrial. They will be hostile, they will eat a they will take our resources. You know, that's a question we hear a lot and see in mainstream media, is you know, will will aliens be hostile? Will will they do this? And the real answer to that is, well, number one, we don't know, but number two, there will be there. There will most likely be some that, yes, will want to be mean, but there will also potentially be some that are nice.
It's just like look at humanity. I mean, you can't just dumb humanity in one category and say humans are nice or humans are not nice. It goes all over the spectrum. You know, people are individuals, They have different intents, different behaviors, and you think about the universe and the potential for life to be the types of life to be infinite, and so we have no idea what to expect, but it's safe to say that we
can expect a lot of different things. So I thought this video was interesting taking a different look at humanity and warning extraterrestrials to watch out for Earth if they're traveling through space and looking for places to visit. And you know, some people will say, well, obviously, if they have the technology to travel here, they're more advanced than us. Well, that may be true.
They may be more advanced than us in terms of space travel, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be more advanced in every other way, or more capable to eliminate us if we're a threat, or have us not be a threat at all, if their immune systems can't handle our environment, if they can't handle the craziness that humans are in the desire to be militaristic. And what if they look like giant carrots and they get off their ships and the
people who encounter them say, hmm, I'm hungry. What if they're stoned and they see and they go and like take a bite out of them. You don't know, there could be potential risks. I mean, one of the things they highlight in the video, it's human power sources. One of humans power sources is other life. We eat other life. That's just a warning sign to extra trestros who might visit, watch out because we eat other life. I think that that is really interesting, that theory that you just
threw out there, and I have not heard that before. The potential that aliens look like food and a stoned human eats them. Well, I'm glad you caught that all a hunter, because that's a huge theory of mine and I have a book in the works about that. But that's going to be a good one. That's something different. No, not really, I think I'd have to be stoned to write something like that. Yeah, no, I it is. You know, they're infinite possibilities. You got to think
about things, and people love to throw that out. If they can get here, they're obviously fastly superior to us, you know. I love to think back to an episode of Star Trek the Next Generation and I forget the name of the alien race that they encounter, but there are these really dumb guys. Yeah, and they just happen to find their way along life by stealing to t chnology and things from other superior races, and they look for things, things that make us go. You know, they're really dumb,
simple characters or creatures, but they managed to get through space. They're not necessarily more advanced than other life forms they encounter, but they still managed to get from here to there. So possibilities exist that people generally don't think about. Yeah, yeah, good point. That's kind of funny. It's a good It was a funny story that came out last week. Another story that I want to mention is your story, because this was kind of the big
UFO story of the week. And this was the UFO cut on radar at the airport in Germany. And of course you're going to have some details, but essentially a week ago, right in the evening in Bremen, Germany, the Bremen airport, people witnessed the UFO. The police were alerted. They came out by car and by helicopter to look for it. They didn't find it, and eventually, you know, some witnesses said it was allowed and it looked like a plane, and then witnesses starting to come forward. It
seems like describing a plane, right, And this is a story. Interestingly, that you know, has a lot of conspiracy theorists forming a new theories here, because that's very interesting with this story, that the initial reports didn't release any sort of description of this object at all, and then, you know, after the news broke, then a story started being modified to say that witnesses explained that the object looked like a plane, but it was a
lot louder. And then the air traffic controllers, who previously didn't have a description, then described that it had normal lights, red and green approach lights on both sides. So all the descriptions sounding like a simple airplane, but these descriptions weren't in the initial reports, and so a lot of people are wondering if this is a cover story, they're trying to make it go away.
I don't know if that's the case, but I do find it fascinating that when we initially did this story, none of the witnesses, the police who had seen it, the air traffic controllers who had seen it, there was no description of the physical craft, right, Yeah, kind of interesting. So what do you think. I think it's a total cover up job, Alejandro, Not again, No, I don't. I think most likely it's a case of bad reporting, and you know, they later went back
and put in some of the most crucial information. But it is interesting and I do love these cases when they show up on radar, when police actually
witness these things too, and they go through with an investigation. You know, a lot of times, especially here in the United States, if there's an incident at the airport and it doesn't get discussed, it tries they try to play it down because of course we don't have anything in the in airport airspace that shouldn't be there, and if it is, we know exactly what it is because our skies are safe. Yeah, that's the illusion that they
like to create. But having air traffic controls, being able to get their statements, getting police statements, all of this is put out in the news. It's great to see, so I hope other countries take note. Right So, and a couple another thing probably worth mentioning, is there were a couple UFO sidings in England, including some video and pictures, and you could
go to the website and see that. Of course we need to talk about it because it's not necessarily extremely exciting stuff, but it's kind of cool, you know, something to check out there wasn't a whole bunch of information given with these pictures and videos. But again, you know, the UK is a hot spot. But there's something I forgot to mention, and I want to keep you on the line, Jason, because I know this is something
that you utilize. But this is kind of cool open minds. CUFO Radio is now sponsored by Audible, which is an Amazon company, and essentially you could go there and get a lot of audio books. So a lot of you guys, you know, of course, listen to the show and are listening to us at work or in your car, and I know when we don't have a show, some of you are like, what am I supposed to do at work? Well, you could work, No, I'm sure
some of you can work and listen to stuff at the same time. So you can go to Audible and check it out, and you can go actually get a free trial through us for a month of Audible if you go to audibletrial dot com for Ridge slash UFO Radio and check it out. So you
use Audible, right, Jason, I do, man. Audible is awesome and I just started using it last year and they have various membership levels that give you you know, more and more books per month that you can you can download, and uh yeah, and I put them on my phone. I put them on my tablet and uh you know, and I have them on my phone. I plug it into my the stereo on my car when I drive, and yeh, that's that makes the drive so much better listening
to books. And I don't have a lot of time to read extracurricular books. Most of my my reading is done for research and all sorts of UFO related stuff. But when I want to read anything else, uh yeah, I don't really have time, but I'm always in the car or on a plane or something. So being able to have them on my phone and just listen to these books, it's awesome. And they have a huge selection,
and they have several UFO books as well. So, I mean, the the offering there is not short at all, and I really like the service not to uh toot their horn too much, but I'm happy to yeah, well and so, and just so people know, you know, they do have a lot of UFO books. They have Leslie Kanes, UFO's general pilots and goverment officials go on the record. I think I would probably say it I think Jason and I agree that if that might be the best UFO book
out there, if not one of the best. And some of the guests we've had on the show, such as Robin Trish McGregor we've had on the show. They're alien book that we talked about. They have books on it with from Zachariah Sitchen, from Philip Copens, from Travis Walton, Jim Maroney who we've had on the show. So a lot of our guests have their books on audible dot com too, So you could go to Audibletrial, dot
com, Forward, slash ufo Radio. They've got some great vintage sci fi on there too, and it's fun listening to some of those old sci fi and audios. Yeah, done an audio book, it's pretty great. And what is that you are align, Jason, Why don't you say at all? One hundred? I'm just gonna see if you remembered it. Audibletrial, dot Com, Forward, slash ufo Radio. Yeah, rac one cool.
All right, thanks very much, my pleasure. So without further you, let us bring on Lee Spiegel, the correct UFO reporter for the Huffington Post, and talk about some of the coolest UFO stories from twenty thirteen. I am so happy to be doing our Best of UFO Best Of twenty thirteen show, and we have the incredible, the pretty much soul mainstream national news UFO correspondent Lee Spiegel on the phone. Hello, mister Spiegel, Oh more,
don't stop more more. He's pretty funny. He's got great hair. He's got hair for his age, which is all That's why I happened so and then we've also got Jason on the phone with us too, because we're all gonna talk about our top stories and then we'll discuss them. So the way what we'll do this guys, is we'll go to leewask you what is the top story you want to talk about, and then we'll go one at a
time. The reason being that I don't you know, if we had if we said let's do all five, who knows if we'll get to it. Who knows how much discussion we'll have around each story. And it's going to be a lot of fun to discuss each story. Although I'm pretty sure our lists are going to be pretty similar here though, I'm excited to hear what you guys talk about, and I guess no doubt I'll start off the first story. The most important story of the year, hands down is the Kardashians
going to Area fifty one. Guess, well, do you first want to back yourself up there and lay a case as to why you think that to merit's discussion here, Alandro, just because I went with them, No, I guess for me personally, that was my number one story. No, I'm kidding, But you know what is interesting is Kardashians. We also had we had a lot of celebrities and this has been in trend in the last few years, a lot of celebrities talking about UFOs. Not that that's a
top story, but it is a topic for twenty thirteen. That's not really my top story, but it is worthy of mentioned. And you know it being that the Kardashians are some of the most talked about people in pop culture and they've got one of the most popular television shows going right now, it certainly is newsworthy and is worthy of mentioned that they are genuinely interested in UFOs.
And I thought it was fascinating that they decided to go out alien hunting at Area fifty one, and even cooler that they invited you and Travis Walton along so yeah, so and who else There's Rihanna thanks to you, Jason, you know, and Marien you guys interviewed Tom DeLong. There was who said, other singer, who's seeing this? Goodness a fiah don't do that, but her Alicia Keys talking about UFOs. There was Russell Crowe with his UFO photo or his Yeah, his UFO photos turned out to be a sailboat
most likely, right, but he was adamant, you know. And then he talked about the citizens hearing. Yep, he tweeted about that. So yeah, a lot of celebrity UFO news. Yeah, for sure, I have to I have to go along with with the U Alejandro. The Kardashian story was I'm okay, go ahead. The Kardashian story absolutely was it for me, There was no but there was nothing more credible all year long.
In fact, I think that they're going to do a spinoff show now called a ten million dollar Kardashian Bounty. Oh nice, where you capture a Kardashian. Yes, yeah, and you submitted to DNA test thing, so that would be some interesting DNA results, I'm sure, yeah, But I mean it was fun. There were a lot of celebrities I just think that this was kind of a banner year for celebrities in UFOs. A lot of celebrities
talking about UFOs, which is kind of cool. And thanks to you, mister Spiegel, Alejandro and I were able to talk a little bit about this on Post Live, so that was a lot of fun. Yeah. Well, you know, I have to tell you, just to pount all of us on the back here for a moment. The three of us probably contributed more overall news about UFOs and related things than any other reporters anywhere because we
were constantly on it, constantly writing about it. I was constantly stealing from both of you all year, and it was always great because I would go to your site to open minds to see what you two were writing about so that I could figure out how I was going to plagiarize you. Aha, all right, we have evidence, so you don't want your thoughts to hear this. That's right, that's right. Well, you know you gotta get your stories from somewhere. I prefer to get them from a credible source,
and YouTube are the credible source. Well, thank you more more more, Well, well, that's true. And the other thing about the three of us that I really think is so important. After so many years of working in this field, the three of us have no problem sharing information with each other. Yeah, you know, and you can't say that about almost any other writers in this field or others. You know, we share with everyone who wants to share. Yeah, so that's true. Well, you know.
And now getting seriously into the story, there are When I looked at my list and I put it together, I think there are a lot of really game changing stories, groundbreaking stories for twenty thirteen in the realm of UFOs,
A lot change. The whole landscape's different than a year ago. Yeah, you're right, And something that's interesting when we look back at top stories from the from the previous year, it's always it blows my mind because I don't know about you guys, but when you're in this every single day, studying and researching news about UFOs and extraterrestrials, I lose track of time. Yeah. I look back at stories that happened this year, and I was
a holy cow that that was just this year. I don't know the years blend together with these stories. I agree, I agree, and I'm not to get ahead of ourselves here. I would say that for me, the most groundbreaking piece of information or kind of story that kind of evolved over the year, but really by the end of the year it was really big time. It's like, well, here we go into twenty twenteen. How are
we going to deal with drones going forward from this point? U? Yeah, you know, do you want to treat this as the first storyly? Well, I mean, I don't know how important it is other than the fact that as more and more drones are made available where people can go into their home depot or lows or hardware store and get the materials not terribly expensive
to be able to put together something that looks like a flying saucer. You can remote control, you can put lights around it, and you can fly these things around now and within hours you've got headlines of UFOs in different areas and then not really UFOs, And it's going to cloud the whole UFO issue for a while now, as the drones get more and more sophisticated, and as more and more people want their little fifteen minutes of fame by being the
cause of these UFO sightings. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean we're kind of screwed now. I mean, looking at the drone stories. Recently, I agree it used to be. In the last few years, it's been Chinese lanterns. If it's an orange or it's a Chinese lantern, and you know, ninety nine percent of the times that's true. But sometimes even you know us, some of those things we blow off as as Chinese lanterns maybe aren't. But now if it's an orange, oh, or moving slowly
and fading out, oh, it's a Chinese lantern. But now we have these drones, and so now if it's a flashing light, changing colors zipping around quickly in the sky, which previously before the drones was one of the most exciting types of sightings and fairly frequent. I mean, it's something that I've heard throughout my whole lifetime. People think now something like that, it's going to be relegated to, oh, it's a drone when it could be
an exciting you real UFO sighting it. And so I think you're right. I think we're entering an arena where we're in trouble. As technology gets better, it's going to be almost impossible to decipher what is man made and what
is not. Well, yeah, and go aheadly, Well, I was going to say that for me, the ultimate UFO video hoax of the whole year was something that that you Allehandrol helped to expose and you turned me onto it was the drone that appeared over a baseball game in Vancouver, British Columbia. Yeah, and I was going to say about that. That's a game changer too, because you know what happened with that. I didn't think it would work. It came out, you know, they flew the thing around.
I thought, Okay, this is probably a marketing point. If it is, they're not going to get any if they don't admit it, you know. And if not many people make a big story out of this, they're not going to get any juice out of this. They're going to go through this whole effort and not get any juice. Well, the story goes international, then they come out and say it was asked it was a drone.
Then every newspaper that wrote an original story did a follow up paper, so boom, they get this instant international you know, recognition that this Vancouver Planetarium hoaxed the whole thing. So it was a tremendous success. And now just this week we see California with the crop circle, same kind of thing they make. The crop Circle gets to international news and video comes out and says it to us boom Instantly, everybody's writing about that, and they instantly
have some international press. So now we have, you know, people with big resources hosting things to as a marketing stunt. And the success that these two people have had is just going to mean we're going to see more of this, right And I think you know that that shows the importance of the
importance and the difficulty of what the three of us do. And I know that a lot of people contact us and wonder why we cover so many stories of things that aren't most likely easily identifiable, like Chinese lanterns, like RC aircraft, like blimps. But the big problem here and it is people need to be educated. People aren't used to seeing things certain, these types of objects in the sky, so when they see them, they look weird.
And it doesn't matter how many times they come up in the news. Chinese I mean think we like to think Chinese lanterns were you know, a big thing last year, the year before. They're always going to be a big thing because there's always going to be people who aren't familiar with seeing Chinese lanterns in the sky. They see it. It's weird to them. They're gonna put a video up and say, wow, check out this UFO. I mean, it's an ongoing problem we're gonna face and you're not gonna be able
to educate everybody. But if we try as much as we can, when these stories come up and make it big in the news, try to show people what these things look like, describe their behavior, Hopefully more and more people will get used to them and we'll stop seeing so many of these sightings cluttering the potentially genu in more interesting cases, the gay right, yep,
exactly. Yeah, Well you're you're you're right, Jason, And from from from my perspective, I get comments at the end of my stories, and I get emails sent to me by people everywhere complaining to me and accusing me of spending wasting my time, wasting their time on on crap stories that you know, like why is the Humpington Post letting him even write about these things? Who's who's controlling this guy? You know, what kind of a reporter is he? Well, you know, they they think that it's okay to
back me into a wall and say you shouldn't be writing about this? Well, well why not? Or what should I be writing about instead? Give me a better option. Uh, it's it's very frustrating to me that I'm put into a situation where people are actually complaining about what I'm reporting about and I don't just I don't just write stories because well I need a story today, So let's just see I can find anything to write about. That's not how I go about doing this. And I needed to you guys. Yeah,
those punks, those bunks. Yeah. One thing that's true of twenty thirteen and since the invention of the Internet is that internet troll set. Yeah. But let's get into the top story. So Lui Spiegel, you are number one. What is your top one of your top UFO stories of the year. Well, well, you know what the story that for me? I think I wrote three or four stories about this, and they garnered for
me the biggest reader hits of the year. And I'm assuming you've got big hits too, because the three of us, we are so busy involved with the little alien or the little humanoid called add On And this wasn't even really a UFO story, but boy, it belongs in the category. Somehow absolutely longs in the category. But for me, it ranked really low on the list when I put my list together, when I thought of the results, I understand what you're saying that it did bring in a lot of hits and
that's why it's on the list. But when I looked at the results, it added nothing. In fact, it's not anything. It was negative in that it just was a whole silly debacle best case, that crypto zoological type of thing. But what's funny about this is the whole kind of and I know people are going to get mad at us, and sure enough you bring it up because now we're going to make a lot of people mad. But it's almost like a Giorgio Tukulos type of thing. If you don't know what
it is, it's alien. We have no clue you know exactly the nature behind the background of this thing. Although I listened to we have Stephen Gers, DNA expert. He says it's human. I don't know. It probably has some deformities, but it's human. We have several now experts in fossils and some with fetus fossils who have said it's definitely a fetus. Uh, it's probably mummified, and that's why you have these strange bone anomalies that they've
been seeing. So it probably wasn't even a deformed human. It was just a human fetus that's the mummified. So we have all of this and in the background people say, oh, we don't know what it is, so it's got to be an alien. I guess it was a weird social kind of thing that happened, you know, it's a big story that way.
Well, and you know, and there is some kind of an indirect UFO connection here because while the experts were trying to figure out what this creature was, you know, whether it was an unborn fetus or whether it was a creature that actually lived to be six or eight years old. I mean, there's a controversy right there. How do you how do you how do you French eat all that information? But then the Stephen Greer connection to it.
He's the one who kind of brought it to the American consciousness. And here's the guy who basically part of what he does is he gets groups of people together to pay a lot of money to go on these weekend excursions into the wilderness and sitting on the little picnic chairs, closing their eyes, meditating and calling for UFOs and aliens to come visit them. Well, you know,
it's like my head was exploding from all this stuff. And so it made it a bigger story for me because it wasn't just a story about the little alien. It was all the other stuff that surrounded the little creature that just didn't seem plausible or credible to me. And I don't necessarily like the idea of anybody taking money from people and promising them to have an extraterrestrial visitation or
encounter in the wilderness. I don't. I don't like that. I don't like how people who are already gullible, who who will give up their hard earned money to do that, even if they are strong believers in this, because it never actually really pans out, even when they have night vision photography or videos to to confirm that they're being visited by something in the sky. You can't you cannot say definitively that, oh, those lights that are moving
in those strange patterns are from Zeta reticuli. You can't do that. It's it's not it's not right. It's inconclusive and It just brings the credibility for me way down, which is why the story for me was a big story. I agree, it definitely merit's mentioned in this list. It did generate not only massive headlines in the UFO extraterrestrial community, but mainstream media throughout the
world. It wasn't big story. And the most frustrating thing about this story to me, like with a lot of other stories, is that people make up their minds very quickly and will for some reason latch onto one or two sources or statements by you know, certain people that they want to believe, and they refuse to look at any of the other evidence. They refuse to consider any other possibilities. They've already made up their mind before looking at the
evidence. And there are still to this day, so many people who will not believe that what was his name, Nolan, Do you guys remember, Oh yeah, the clientist, Yes, Gary Nolan, straight from his mouth saying that without a doubt, it's human. There are so many people who
will not accept the fact that he said that. They'll read statements, comments that he made in the journal Science, things like that, and you know, they'll invent conspiracies on our own saying all that wasn't actually him saying that. No, why would he have said this in serious And you know that they just create their own reality. They listen to what they want to listen to, but ignore other things that you know, are some of the most
important things in my opinion. So yeah, and you know the other thing also, Jason, that is people will attack you and Alejandro and me simply because we're part of media. We're the reporting media, and if we think something is non credible, whoa, oh my gosh. You know, who are these guys? How dare they right about this? You know? How did they ridicule We're not ridiculing anybody. We're trying to keep people honest. It's bad of our jobs as members of the CIA to be donors, were
downers. We can't get excited about anything. We've got to burst everybody's bubble, right right, I mean, And to both of your points, you know, with with Nolan's statements, you know, even Greer when we interviewed him, was saying, well, no, he didn't say that. He said dot dot dot. No, he didn't say dot dot dot. He said this, and he said it several times. He made himself very clear. And several different arenas. If that's his opinion, that's his opinion.
You know, we can't change that, right, So and then the other thing attached this was the documentary Serious which came out, which I love the guys who made it, They're really cool. It was very well produced. I love Thomas who narrated it. But it really was just kind of a run of the mail another you know, documentary really didn't add anything we didn't know before, so it wasn't really a game change or anything to me. But yeah, this was a big story. Yes, sir, so Jason,
what about you? Well, I'm going to go to very early in the year, and this is a story that was sort of a continuation from something that made headlines in late twenty twelve twelve. But I want to talk about the UFOs along India's border. This is back in November of twenty twelve.
Members of the Indian Army and the Indo Tibetan Border Police Force they witnessed more than one hundred UFOs along the border with China over a two and a half month period, and several agencies were investigating these things, including the Indian Astronomical Observatory, the Indian Army themselves, the National Technical Research Organization and the Defense Research Development Organization, and they were unable to identify what these hundreds of
UFOs were. Well move into beginning of twenty thirteen, yes, so many media outlets were covering this, and one in particular, I think it was India's z News. They reported that scientists and experts suspected that the UFOs were simply, like we said, Chinese lanterns as part of a psychological operation. Now there's no idea here where this information was coming from. But after this story came out, other media organizations seemed to accept that and just completely drop
the stories. They were identified they were Chinese lanterns. But in the middle of twenty thirteen, in July, the Telegraph published an article asserting that the UFOs still had experts baffled. So they said that the director of the Indian Institute of Astrophysics said they were still unidentified. They were still investigating it. They had no idea what they were. But previous articles had said that some said they were Chinese lanterns. Some also said that they were astronomical being a
planet, a planet that these people misidentified. And I don't know why there would be one hundred planets crossing the order there. And I don't know why the Indian Astronomical Observatory, people who saw these things with their own eyes, by the way, would not understand that they were looking at celestial objects. And in fact, they specifically mentioned when this story first broke that they had ruled out celestial objects. So to me, this is one very fascinating story.
There was never a conclusion to it, and just another example of media going crazy and not following up on sources not being very good in their reporting, and people not looking back and looking at the contradictions going on here and starting to question, Hey, I wonder which story is accurate, and why aren't these people able to figure out what's going on. These are military people, these are astronomers and scientists all looking at this pretty substantial UFO case.
And I was very frustrated by the back and forth with inaccurate reporting. In my case, Yeah, I think I think that the final report on that probably should have simply been nobody knows for sure what these lights were, what these objects were. We're not saying, we're not suggesting that there were alien ships. All that we're saying is and this is not said often enough. Is we don't know? All right? I love that. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. And you know I had seen the different stories and there were small stories, but now that you mentioned it, when you've put the whole thing together, you're right, this is a big story, and it seems like because it's been coming up for like the last year or so, it might not have gone away. I mean, we may hear some more from it. I hope we do. And that's a problem with a lot
of these interesting cases, especially ones that are in other countries. You know, we'll hear a little bit from whatever American press will pick up from foreign sources, but then it kind of dies and we don't know if it's in local media and these other countries unless we're specifically looking for it. But it
is hard to see if there's follow up any of these foreign stories. I mean, it's entirely possible too that the powers that be in different countries are actually pleased when these stories die out, and nobody really tries to push harder to get information because some countries don't want the real information to come out. Yeah, you're such a conspiracy man. Oooh, I know that's why I'm
always dressed in black. Okay, Mike n your turn. Okay, mind the number one, and I'm gonna do the top ones first, kids, so we can get for me. The number one story is the end of the UK files. We got the last batch of the UK files. It's an end of an era. The UK has been investigating UFO since nineteen fifty, but that is finally all wrapped up. They're no longer doing it.
If you call the MOD right now and say I saw a giant hovering UFO and it just abducted my neighbors in their house, they're going to say, tough crap, call someone else, we don't care. Have you tried? Is that what they actually say? What's that? Have you tried? Is that what they actually say? Well, they've sent out memos that say that's what they would say. I'm of course elaborating, but they would say, sorry, we don't investigate UFOs, call your local authorities. So it's and
I think it's important too fold. It's important because it's the end of an era. The UK government's no longer going to be looking at UFOs. We finally have the last of their files. Are also no longer going to be giving out any more files. According to them, they've given all of their UFO files are all out there, leave us alone. And here again, even though they blow it off and say, look look at these files, there's nothing interesting in them. There's nothing that warrant us looking ato UFOs when
you look at the files themselves. Yet again, this batch of files had a lot of really great interesting stories, the most interesting being a police sellers several incidents of police kept helicopters having UFOs come up. In one instance, the UFO came up, flew around it and kept flying kind of bugging it, you know, and they people speculated perhaps it was a remote control plane. But come on, a remote control plane chasing a police helicopter and flying
around it. The Airpox Board, which we've heard about that investigates the nervouses, looked into several of these and they came up with unknowns and the mod's responses on several of these were pretty bad. One of them happened in Ireland, and so they said, well that's Ireland's problem. They essentially kept blowing them off and said, well, the local authority, somebody else should look
into this. It's not at But even though there's these incredible reports. So again, UK files are full of some of the best UFO stories that have come out this year. And it's the end of the UK UFO investigation history. It's and then end of the era. Well, I know I am entirely too optimistic, but I am hopeful that we have not seen the end, that in another couple of years they'll release batches again of the same files.
But you know, we'll have phases of files batches that come out that are slightly less redacted, so we get a little more information that's in those files with less black marker over certain Yeah. Maybe kind of like the FBI did this year where they posted some files and everybody thought they were just there brand new, which they weren't. They've been out for decades, but they made a big deal out of them. Well, and let's not forget you
know, Alejandra, you just mentioned the airpox board. You know, this is a really interesting kind of a follow up or update about the UK files. Even though the UK officially got out of looking in the UFOs in nineteen sixty nine and they closed all their investigation offices and facilities, what then happened was the Civil Aviation authority in the UK then turned to the Airpox Board and said, you can have any sightings now that deal specifically with airline encounters.
Well though the Airpot's Board has been around for a while, right right, anything new that they gave them, anything new, But they're the moone standing people looking into these funds that involved near misses, right exactly, because the Airpox Board specifically deals with near misses between one aircraft and another aircraft and they
try and kind of sort out the details. But they're also as part of that, they're looking into things like the case that you and I both recently looked into about how airline pilots may actually think that they're being buzzed or almost on a collision course with something that's not a conventional air craft, but it's something else that scares them to the point where they want to report it.
And then once the report is made and the Airpox Board does all their investigation, we don't get to see it or hear about it for another six months because it's like every five or six months is when they release the information. In my opinion, I think the Airpox Board is one of the most exciting groups out there right now because actively investigating, doing full on investigations of these near misses, and we're getting some of the best information out of that,
I think. So I'm excited to hear what else comes out of the Airpox Board in the coming year. Yeah. I agree. And you know, one of my biggest stories, not for twenty thirteen, was for twenty twelve. Was our friend Nick Pope, who used to work with the Ministry of
Defense for a few years. He was investigating UFO reports for the British government and he told me about a thing that they called spin and dirty tricks and the that was, and I do think it's worth mentioning here two years after the fact, is that while he was involved with the UFO investigations out there, he was told specifically to downplay any UFOs that came through his hands, and to even ridicule the UFO reporters if they had to, in order to
make the stories go away. And I said, well, why would you do that. That seems unethical. He said, it's because there were too many UFO reports that we actually couldn't explain, and the government didn't want to tell the public that there was something operating in our skies that we couldn't explain or control and so we had to downplay everything and it was called spin and dirty tricks and I never forgot that. Yeah, and I want to just I guess to wrap this one up. I agree with you guys on the
Air pro Sport. Really, it's one of the loone governmental agencies there of a large country where we're getting continued investigation of some of these unknowns. And like Lee mentioned, this actually made it to my number six top of the list. I think that London siding where the pilots that he actually had to physically dut which was investigated by the airpop Sport, is one of the best stories of the years also, so that had made it to my list.
But now, Lee, what is your next top story of Well, you know this, this is next top story. You know, we're all familiar with this because of a man involved. Let me just mention his name, retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Richard French. What I know, I know, but but well listen for what it's worth. This guy made my last two
years in a row top stories list. I mean, he's like the he's he was the blue ribbon guy for me for two years because, first of all, you know, whether you believe him or not, he claimed in twenty twelve that there was not just one crash at Roswell in nineteen forty seven, but there were two crashes, and in fact we shot them down. And so, I, you know, on just the merits of who he was in his background, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, even
though he could never substantiate the story. And then all of a sudden in twenty thirteen he comes roaring back, you know, at the citizen Hearing Disclosure of Disclosure in Washington, DC, and he tells this incredible story about how he was part of the Air Force is Project Blue Book and he was sent to Newfoundland to investigate two UFOs that had reportedly submerged in water. And he went there and he saw these two circular craft under the water, and there
was like a crowd of one hundred people there. He says that saw tou He saw three foot tall humanoids looking like they were performing some repairs on one of the ships. And the ship, like you know, gradually came out of the water. It flew around a little bit, came back, went back underwater. The little creatures finished the repairs and then both ships flew away, and I'm going, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is from a retired Air Force guy who claims he was part of the Project Blue
Book. And I said to him, what kind of report did you file? He said, well, it was it was kind of a crappy report because I was supposed to debunk UFO reports at the time, and so I debunked my own sighting. But okay, we gotta we gotta give him some mention here, for I don't think so at at least his creativity if he's
making this stuff off aulhandre No, it's not creative at all. This is I'm so disappointed that has made your list because it it's so ridiculous, Possibly because we have dozens of people coming to us all the time who make these crazy, wild claims. I mean, you probably get him. We get emails every day from people making all of these wilds things. He's no different than any of the others. In fact, we all have evidence of him
not being accurate whatsoever. He didn't even know. This second case is a rehashing of Shag Harbor with all of the facts wrong, but the bare part of the story. He says this took place near in Nova Scotia, which is near shag Harbor, but not quite a year. That is quite a little bit different. Otherwise, he steals parts of the facts and stuff. He didn't even know about shak Harbor un till he came to our office and Antonio showed him our magazine and said, look, we have one case of
shak Harbor in here. And Antonio told him about it because he seemed real interested. All of a sudden, he's here at the Citizen hear and saying he was part of it, but he has his facts wrong on it. Well, she said, I wrote blue book. Blue Book was not a book you write. It was a bunch of cases. This is a guy who was just talking and blabbing and and it's just barely coherent. This is one of these ridiculous, most ridiculous things ever and does not belong on this
list. Well, I'll tell you what if you know and I'm if I'm wrong, then I'm the first to admit it. Uh And and I would say, you know, we should we should combine our powers of investigation here and do a definitive story and take this guy down if if he's if he's you know telling us, I don't feel it's worse my time. If you want to do it, go for it. But I I don't have time chasing all these people with their crazy claims. I'd rather chase some of them
with the good stuff. But of course, if you feel that it may be credibles and then pursue it, and I hope you I wish you all the best. I mean, I mean, I'm the When and Antonio Huns first interviewed this guy a couple of years ago, he was able to confirm that the French was in fact with the Air Force, that he had like an amazing record in terms of how many UH fighter pilot missions he'd been on. I mean now he claimed to have Phonne the most fighter pilot missions ever.
Yeah, which John Alexander said. There's absolutely no way it was confirmed he was a jet fighter pilot, though, why I so, I guess my biggest question is as we as we leave him behind, is why do why do any of us pay any attention to a guy who's formerly with the Air Force, who was a jet fighter pilot, who comes out with these kinds of stories. Why why do we not let him tell a story and let him Bury himself. Why why do we why should we just disregard it
altogether? Well, we did, and Antonio, I mean, we're the ones who broke the story. Antonio really was one to do the first interview, and in the very first interview, Antonio even mentioned he is h he has reservations because a lot of his facts were wrong. But here's the story for what it is. I guess, I guess I think that it needs more of a conclusion than just Antonio saying I have reservations. We can't believe this guy. I think that someone should really put the whole thing to rest
so that he's not lingering anymore in the mind. Right, you know? So I may do that, and please don't hate me if I do. That sounds like a job for Lee Spiegel. No, I'd never hate you, Lese Spiegel. Oh, thank you, thank you. You guys are my people. I want to hear Jason, you didn't pipe in, pipe in what it's signed for my next story? We're running out of time. We've got to get more stories. And there were so many stories Jason the fifth on that one, But go ahead, Jason, what's your next one?
All right? Well, I know Lee's gonna like this one. But this is something that I get really excited about, and I'm going to talk about our friend, Professor Chantra wickremsinga Ah. This is a guy who's very controversial in his science. But back in January of twenty thirteen, in the Journal of Cosmology, he and his colleagues published a paper claiming that they discovered
evidence of extraterrestrial life in a meteorite. It was fossilized extraterrest was fossilized diatoms, which is a type of algae that they claim they detected in this media rite, therefore providing strong evidence to support He's a big proponent of the theory of pants spermia, the idea that life can travel from world the world on media riites and other things. But they were pretty pretty confident that they discovered
extraterrestrial fossilized extraterrestrials in this media rite. That with some harsh criticism from other scientists, but you know, he's had many studies where he believes he's found extraterrestrial life. And again in September of twenty thirteen, who is part of a team who believed they found extraterrestrial life in a meteor shower debris they collected.
They sent up a balloon in the stratosphere and it came down and they had They claim they found small biological organisms that could have only come from space. So Chanda Mcgrahamsinger continues to be in the news. He was in the news of the year before and in twenty thirteen claiming that we have indeed scientific proof that extraterrestrial life exists. And I give you Jason very high marks for being the only person I know who can actually pronounce his name. Yeah,
leave me. I did throw research on that guy's name when I first wrote about him, so yeah, you know. And I think part of that guy's team is this scientist Richard Hoover, who's going to be speaking at the UFO Congress. I'm so excited to hear from him because he's going to be renewing those cases. Because Richard Hoover, NASA scientist, he agrees with Chandra, and he's part of the team where they believe, yeah, we've already
got evidence of extraterreustrial life. Right. There have been a lot of a lot of cases throughout history and sciences, scientists differing, and that's that's what scientists do. I mean, scientists are humans. We have different opinions, and you see a lot of bickering in science. I think a lot of people in the UFO arena are under the false assumption that mainstream science thinks one way and the UFO community thinks the other way. No, that's not true
at all. You have many scientists who entertain extraterrustrial ideas, and you have many mainstream scientists, and Richard Hoover is a great example, a former NASA astrobiologist and other scientists throughout history who have said that data from from certain missions,
from various missions, have proved that extraterrestrial life was discovered. And that's what Hoover's going to discuss during his talk with the International EUPO Congress, talking about the the Viking missions from the seventies and and different things where science mainstream scientists have disagreed. But you know, there are certainly many on the side that say data indicates that we've discovered extraterrestrial life and on various various bodies in
our own solar systems. So it's pretty ucita. You know, these kinds of stories very closely parallel A lot of the controversy that's going on now with the whole DNA question about Bigfoot. It's like we have skeptics and debunkers who very easily jump at the facts of things that are being analyzed and looked at by scientists, and in order to make the stories go away, the debunkers will very easily say, oh, those things that are coming from out of
space, somehow, they must have been involved with human contamination once they were, once they started looking at them like the humans the scientists weren't wearing the right kind of gloves. Any kind of examination can destroy any possible evidence, and they do the same thing with bigfoot DNA analysis. All humans must have somehow touched something or sneezed or whatever. That's like the new fallback thing for
debunker's human contamination. And it's pretty valid it is, and it's certainly something that needs to be considered and it should be thrown out. But I agree with you Lee, it's something that's very, very too easily thrown out as something to say this is definitive. Of course, it's contamination. Dismissed next without considering or looking further. I think hardcore skeptics that the people who don't want to entertain the extraterrestrial idea are the ones who will throw that out as
the definitive end to that story and they move on. Yep. So let's move on ourselves, yes, to get to more story. And here's my number oh no, my number two is the Peruvian government opening up their UFO agency. Those guys, Yeah, that's awesome. That's a big deal. There's not many governments that have an official UFO investigation organization. A lot of people don't know that any government has one. But now this is like the
force government to do that. So that's that's a big deal. I think you know, next le Well, and you know, I believe that it was at the citizen hearing on disclosure in Washington where I think that the the the men I'm talking about was was a jet fighter for the Peruvian Air Force,
and that's I'm wrong about the actual country. But he told the story, a riveting story about how he as as like the best jet fighter pilot in that air force, was scrambled in his jet to go up and to pursue and chase and try and bring down an unexplained craft that was over the air force base and his story was unbelievable. I mean, really you could have heard a pin drop as he was telling it. It was so credible.
Yeah, and how he shot everything he had at it after it wouldn't acknowledge radio contact with him, and he had missiles on his just aircraft that he said the individual missile could bring down big trucks. He shot like thirty or forty of these missiles at this craft and it never seemed to go anywhere near it. And he had the he was like the best fighter pilot. He could take anything down. And he had like an amazing dogfight with an
unexplained object. That was I think one of the more credible stories of any year, because nobody disbelieved him, nobody discounted him. When he was debriefed after the encounter. They looked through all the files and all the pictures of known aircraft that could have those kinds of capabilities that this craft head. They couldn't find anything, I mean, not even even if it was a test aircraft from some other country. How could it withstand the kind of missile attack
on it that this guy gave And nobody could figure it out. And that was like such an amazing story to me. Yeah, they have about it, have incredible cases. In fact, they had some sightings out in a rural town and the news went out there and they got some UFO video themselves and that's what spurned the group from starting up again. So you have some great stories. So what's your next top twenty thirteen story? That would be
Jason, I think right now it's you, mister Spiegel. Oh all right, well I actually again it's not just UFO related, but boy, it's it's engaging, it's important, it involved extraterrestrials. The I'd give praises to the little spaceship that could called Kepler. I love Kepler. Yeah, I
mean, come on, Kepler discovered so many planets. You know that Kepler has discovered at least eight hundred new possible planets and leading all astronomical scientists to believe now that practically every star or sun in our galaxy probably has planets around them. I mean, amazing statistics. And in February of twenty thirteen, scientists suggested that billions, not thousands, not millions of billions of Earth like
planets are much closer to reality than we ever imagined. And that's like, whoa I mean the whole thing about how the late Carl Sagan would say, if we're the only ones here, what a waste of space there is out there? Well in our galaxy alone, And we now know that there are probably billions of galaxies. The numbers are staggering. That the numbers of Earth wife planets that might have life and might have intelligent life in our galactic neighborhood
is staggering. And so if UFOs are if some UFOs not all, of course, if some UFOs may be traveling here from other places, there are potentially a lot of places they could be coming from if they figured out how to do it right. And I think largely thanks to Kepler, you know, we're hearing a lot more discussion about habitable worlds, places where life could exist. And even in December there were Congressional hearings on extraterrestrial life. So
this is becoming a very hot topic in mainstream science. So it's getting to be very exciting. Many more missions are underway, many more tools are being implemented here. And yeah, I mean I think within the next ten years. I'll say a lot of scientists say it's next twenty years, but I think within the next ten years, mainstream science will have definitive proof of extra trustrial life. Oh I agree, And I think even now the public really
is excited about how many planets. Absolutely it has actually been discovered. I mean, people love this stuff. And ten years ago, maybe longer, but around ten you know, when I was a kid, certainly when said he started up, they were seeing this fringe. Now it's like the topic. It's yeah, the big story in science. So I say, go Kepler, we love you right, good one league, you redeemed yourself from your life. Fun. Well, I hate to be a downer, but
Kepler is being retooled because he's broken. But he's got some friends going up there. Yeah yeah, and he's gonna his mission is being repurposed. He can't do exactly what he was doing before, but we have new and better telescopes getting out there, so his mission that he started will go on. How dare you? Kepler's the best? No one's better than kem It's cool. But all right, well I'll jump onto my next story here, and I'll just cram a bunch of things together and kind of group it all into
an overall. Man. It certainly seemed to be the year of Area fifty one was in so many different stories. I mean, first of all, it was officially acknowledged by the CIA, so Area fifty one now officially exists. But there were also stories about element one fifteen. How they're you know that that's waiting to be confirmed, but they're closer to confirming the existence of element one fifteen. So a lot of people were saying, oh, yeah, Bob Blazaar, you know, his his uh, his stories are being
confirmed, and but you know, element fifteen one. The theories behind that existed before Bob Blazaar, of course, but then we got the news that or what Bob Blazar is currently up to you with his current company what is it, United Nuclear? I forget what it it's called, But he also apparently has a has military contracts or contract with what was the company, Alejandro. I think it was Halliburton maybe, but yeah, some sort of contract
for government work. And then Obama the first president to mention Area fifty one during a speech. So, I mean Area fifty one kept popping up all over the place this year. Yeah, that's a good one. I think. You know a lot of people are like, well, we already knew about Area fifty one. Well, we did, but there was still that edge of skepticism. And it's confirming. And I got this, you know from the interviews from mainstream people, is that now that it's out, now
that it's been declassified, that is a big deal. It's a game changer because it's been around for decades and but it hasn't been acknowledged and now it finally is. So yeah, that's a big deal. Yep. Your next story, Elandro, My next story. My next story was just above Area fifty one. My third story, and Lee mentioned it is the citizen Hearings. I do have that as my number three because you know, I don't know if it was ran the way I would have done it, if I
would have maybe a different group of people there or whatever. And I know we probably all feel like that in the field, if I would have done it this way or that way, and if I would have done it, a lot of people, you guys might have felt that, say, oh you should have done this, you should have done that. But you know what, he pulled it off, Stephen Bassett pulled it off. It got
a lot of press. You had Mike Gavell, who was one of his retired you know politicians going out to the news and talking about UFOs and talking about how he believes in UFOs and everything. So this thing, I think made a lot of news and it got a lot of information out and so it didn't create congressional hearings, which was his ultimate goal, but that's kind
of shooting for the moon type of thing. But you know what it did accomplish a lot, and it's you know, Lee are the perfect person to talk to about it because you were live streaming, watching it and live texting and reporting on it. But the citizen cheering is mine. That was Besides the Dick French presentation there, a lot of the others were really impressive. Yeah, I know, and I did a live blog, as you said, every day of it, and many of the speakers, they set it
up as if it was a real congressional hearing even though it wasn't. There were these six retired members of Congress who were listening to testimony. For the most part, a really interesting group of international people coming together in Washington to tell their stories. There were some people whose I wouldn't even call it testimony, and I didn't think they should be there because it was just boring.
But then there were others, like some of the folks from the South American countries who would come to talk about credible things going on in South America. I think I think the press, for the most part, gave it a good shake. A lot of the media kept referring to it as a mock hearing, and it's never going to go anywhere, even though I know that they would still like to try and bring the efforts of this to the attention of the United Nations. But I get Steve Bassett a lot of credit for
organizing it. It couldn't have been an easy job for him to do to get all these people together and to keep them all together in one place. So yeah, I think that they did a really good job. They focused public attention on it, and I think we should have more sessions like that more, even if they're mock congressional sessions. We need more of that to
maintain some credibility about UFOs and to keep it in the public spotlight. You know, not everybody heard about the citizen hearing, but a lot of people did, and certainly a lot of people outside the UFO field. So the more you can do these things to bring it into the public spotlight the more I think you get people to start looking into for themselves and understanding the reality
of the situation. So I agreely, I think we need more and I think the said is hearing you know for what it for what it was, it did a good job. Yeah, you know, way to go, Stephen Backett. And this is one of the first stories where we've even mentioned someone in the UFO field. So you know, uh, this is something where someone in the UFO field did something that that went somewhere in Good job, Steve, you know, we go, Steve. Yeah, so we I think we do. We got time for one more? Do you got
time to give us one more? Let me? Let me give you one. That kind of started formulating into my mind as the year ended, and that was the years beginning was what I thought was the amazing news of how President Obama's latest appointed consultant is former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta.
Now there was an interesting story Podesta, who in recent years has been very public about his belief that the government has been hiding information about UFOs and UFO resource and the government must come clean with this information to the public because the public can handle the information, and you know, there's nothing more important than truth in government, and he's been challenging the government to come forward with the UFO stuff. And now here, all of a sudden, he's the President's
a new consultant. He has the president's ear. So I'm going to be very curious now to see if he does anything with this power that he seems to have of the president's ear. Is he going to suggest to Obama that Obama as a way of increasing his own popularity, because his popularity is at an all time role, will he suggests that Obama release information about UFOs. I mean, wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall in some of those discussions at the White House? That would be fun. I mean,
we don't have any indication at Obama's been interested in UFOs. Bedesta was part of Clinton administration, yeah, and was very into UFOs and even admittedly, you know, pursued UFO information and he didn't get too far. So I don't know if he'll bring up UFOs. But you're right, it is a big deal. It's cool that it demonstrates that a UFO buff can still you know, just because you're a UFO enthusiast doesn't mean your credibility is completely
out of the window. You can still be an advisor to the president or absolutely. Yeah, that's a great point, because you know, he's not somebody who has this this secret, kind of light casual interest in the subject, who's been very vocal about it. You know, he wrote the forward to one of the best UFO books ever, Leslie Kyne's book about UFO's pilots five and officials go on the record. So yeah, you're right. Not everybody who talks about UFOs is blacklisted and considered a weirdo one can't get a
job. I mean, this guy is working for the president. So yeah, that's why I think this whole Podesta thing, with his background in UFOs and now he's with Obama, I think that that's going to cause us to think about what kind of story we want to write going into the rest of the year, because it's it is a story, even if we don't hear anything about it. The question is why why haven't we even heard anything from
Podesta's office or camp. I would like to interview Puedesta at some point and ask him some of these questions, hopefully, and then I'll and then I'll just give it all to you. Excellent, we'll we'll plagiarize that story from you then. Okay, all right, well I think you're out of time. You got to run rightly. Yeah, I'm heading to another appointment right
now. All right, Well, thanks so much for joining us. This was a lot of fun and we hit on you know, a lot of what was on my list for the top story I think, and you guys thought us something I didn't even think of, which is fun. So it was really cool. Thanks so much for joining us, Lee, Well, I appreciate it, and thank you for just only knocking me down on the Richard French story. I mean, I mean, yeah, I knew you had to do it, but hey, yeah, I had to be true
to myself too. Well, of course, and how fun would it be if we all just sat here and nod our heads and go, oh yeah, I agree. Yeah. Okay, so well done, guys. Yeah, all right, So we'll get together next year and do the same thing, right, all right, same time, same bad channel, next year. All right, Thank you guys. All right, thank you to Jason and to the always wonderful Lee Spiegel. Of course, we give each other a lot of correp but that's because we we love each other so much,
so that was a lot of fun. As you've heard a lot of really interesting stories in twenty thirteen, so really exciting. And you know, one of the things we haven't mentioned is there was some other things done by people in the field, such as people writing books and a lot of the authors and some of the best books, really the best books I think they come
out in the last year on UFOs. We have those authors speaking at the UFO Congress this year, and you want to register as student as possible because the conference is just a month away, and if you register right now, you know you're going to get a discounted price and if you show up at the door, So just go to Ufocongress dot com. But Timothy Good he wrote a new book. He's a long time researcher out of the UK.
He'll be there talking about his book on alien contact. We have David Marler who wrote a book about triangular UFOs and I am really impressed with his book because he went back into the record to find out that the trianglear UFO phenomena goes all the way back like into the eighteen hundred. Really interesting stuff that he found. I think it's about time someone went in and looked at that phenomena in particular, so he's going to be there. Also, another guy
who wrote a book is Don Schmidt. So Don Schmidt of course is like the main Roswell UFO researcher and out there right now. Of course, Santon Friedman did a lot of work in the past, but he's kind of carrying the baton and continuing to do work with his partner Tom Carey, and they wrote a book this year called Inside the Real Area fifty one and it's about Right Patterson Air Force Base, and of course the rumors are that that's where
the UFO was taken from Roswell, and that's what he argues. So he brings up a lot of really interesting stuff about Right Patterson and how that's really the top secret place where all of the cool stuff is being hidden. So those are some of the authors from last year with some really cool stuff out.
Some of the other authors, like already six Killer Cards. She talks about negative American legends of the star people and a lot of anecdotes that way, which is always really interesting and I think pretty much most of our speakers have written books so really exciting stuff. So this is another book too I think was really cool, which is The UFO Enigma by Robert Schroeder, where he kind of theorizes how the UFOs might operate. And he's got a background
in science, so that makes that really interesting. But don't forget to come and join us for the UFO Congress just at Ufocongress dot com and go register right now and go do that right now. I'm not kidding. Hurry up, all right, Well, thank you all again for listening to the show. Don't forget. You can go to audibletrial dot com forward slash UFO Radio and get a free one month trial to go download some books to listen to if you haven't heard of you know, read Leslie Kane's book, you know,
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