Loop Hop Radio. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas. Open Minds Radio is the UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello and welcome to Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have a very special show for you today, not that every show isn't special and wonderful
and fabulous. I don't know how we do it, to be quite frank, how we keep up the great quality of the show, but we do. We find a way to do it amongst all of our other crazy work, busy, busy all day long to get you guys the latest and the best information on a daily basis. And today I am excited to say we have Joseph mcmonagle. And what's too exciting about this He was the very first
remote viewer, so some of you are very familiar with remote viewing. And this was essentially what had happened was the government had found out that the Russians, and this was back in the seventies, were using psychics to figure information out. So what they decided to do was to do this themselves. So and see if they could figure it out. So they went and they found the best psychic they could find, and that was a gentleman by the name
of Ingo Swan. Ingo then worked with the Stanford Research Institute and the Army to develop what they called remote viewing, which is protocols for these guys to be able to see things that of course are very far such as sub marines and Russian and stuff like that. So they did develop this and then they tested people. Mcmonacle'll talk about this, the testing that he went through to become a remote viewer, and he became the very first and he did this
for for many years, and you'll talk about how accurate they were. And one interesting note if you've read up on this, there's Jim Mars's books I Spies. It's a good one talks about the history. But also Joseph mcmonagle himself has written several books and he'll talk about that. But a lot of the remote viewers, purposely or not purposely, had seen UFOs when they remote viewed. So they remote viewed UFOs extraterrestrial stuff like that. Very interesting stuff,
and it's incredible. How just about I think everything I've read about remote viewers, every single one of them, whether they were skeptic about the subject before or not, remote viewed UFOs. So that's really cool. So we'll talk to him about the information. He's going to be speaking at mofon in July, and we're going to be there too. That's July twenty ninth through the thirty first in Irvine, California. You can find out more MoveOn dot
com. But that's going to be a fun event, and Joe and some of these other people are going to be speaking there, so that's going to be some good stuff. And you can come meet us, come buy some magazine, to talk to us about the magazine, hang out, give us a high five, or tell me, hey man that story you wrote about Xyz suck Man. Whatever you want to talk about, come talk to us.
What we're so busy doing on a regular basis, of course, is getting you the UFO news, and on our website you can get the latest and greatest on a regular all the time. So and there's always something going on. And every week on the show, we bring on our news correspondent, Jason McClellan to talk to us about some of that news. Jason, let's talk some UFO news buddy. Thank you, Alejandro. This is your Open Minds news brief for Monday, June sixth, two thousand and eleven.
On May twenty sixth, the ABC News news program called Nightline featured a confrontation between Annie Jacobson, the author of the controversial book about Area fifty one that
is still making worldwide headlines, and ABC reporter Bill Weir. In her book, Jacobson claims that an anonymous source told her that UFO parts recovered from the nineteen forty seven Roswell crash were actually from an advanced German aircraft, and that bodies recovered were actually children that had been mutilated by Joseph Mangele, the infamous
Nazi physician who had performed gruesome human experiments during World War Two. The anonymous source further stated that Joseph Stalin had flown this craft over the US and with mangled children in order to trick the Americans into thinking this was a spacecraft wn by extraterrestrials, inciting a mass panic similar to the one caused by the airing of the radio program The War of the Worlds. Jacob's arranged to have Weir
talk to this anonymous witness. However, Weir says the witness told him that he did not make all the claims laid out in the book and described the gentlemen as in his late eighties. It seemed obviously confused and confro lickted, Yeah, I don't. We're of course very used to this in the UFO world, talking to witnesses who claimed some extraordinary things, but of course not
seeming to be completely with it themselves. I would imagine since she's been a journalist for that's the thing for so long, she probably knows better, and we're was kind of telling her that, you know, you know better, this isn't journalism. So it looks like she might have been just adding that whole kind of cherry on top just to sensationalize her book. And it works because she's sure did get a lot of coverage. It certainly seems that way,
and it's really unfortunate. But yeah, the ABC did a really good job of kind of calling her out Washington Post, I mean, really bashed her on the fundamentals of the claim, how it doesn't make sense or you know, if this was an extraordinary craft, you know, where is this
technology now? And it's interesting because she even mentioned how the witness Annie Jacobson's witness said, oh, yeah, well we have this stuff, we have Harber's stuff and everything like that, which, of course he's saying was developed
from some of this. And so they really kind of took the whole argument apart, regardless of now the credibility of the witness, which himself doesn't seem like he accurately remembers things either, right, And you put that in an article, And we also have the video on our website of that ABC interview,
So check that out at openminds dot tv. In other news, Oh yeah, In other news, three fast moving lights in the sky above Oakland, California, were captured on video on May twenty sixth, As The Daily Mail reported, the video was uploaded to YouTube by the witness who also captured
similar lights in the sky in May and June of twenty ten. In the May twenty sixth video, the lights move in a tight triangle formation through the night sky at nine forty pm. The witness who recorded the night vision video describes the lights as a UFO squadron. Based on video, it's difficult to determine if the three lights are from one object. Or from three independent objects.
Some who have viewed the video have suggested the objects in the sky might be a flock of birds, according to The Daily Mail, The witness has responded, for all you bird lovers out there, you can call them geese if you like, but I will only laugh at you. But we and others have looked at different video. They're actually you can't go on our website and see video of flocks of birds flying in the sky. And this is
kind of interesting, all hunra. I mean, birds at night through night vision look very interesting in the sky, but they don't tend to keep this tight triangle pattern that this particular video shows. Yeah, I mean we posted one of the videos we posted are some birds in a triangular or enough formation and they fly somewhat together. They're more of in a line. It's I
think, very very slight. I can't shut the door on this latest video birds because I you know that it's a really tight formation and they're all moving together, which I don't see how birds could do that. But because of that other video being slightly similar, maybe not, I don't know, but you brought up some good points that there are other lights in this video. In addition to the tight triangle formation. Yeah, and these lights don't just
move together in a group. One was stationary and then started moving in a direction. Oh yeah, those were the Ed Grimsly ones right right, right, yeah, now, and right exactly when you look at these bird ones Ed Grimsley's his were blown off by MSNBC as being birds by this Radford and who works for Skeptical Inquirre and someone else from Skeptical Inquire. But right one sitting there perfectly still, then it takes off, one is going in the
direction, slows down and turns completely around. I mean, it's here again, doesn't look like birds. And then the older one, the one from Fresno in or Fremont in two thousand and eight, that is five lights in a perfect formation. Definitely not birds. So I mean, these could be some kind of secret aircraft or something like that, but they're much much more
interesting and intriguing than especially the skeptic for MSNBC keeps putting on. If you haven't done it, I highly recommend either getting or borrowing night vision equipment and checking out the sky at night. There's some cool stuff going on up in the sky. You see a lot of weird stuff I've seen a lot. You see so many satellites, and you know, with some of them, it's hard to follow these things, so you have to get experience. I've
seen things zooming around really fast. I haven't seen anything do like a right angle or or a turn or anything like that. But that's typically because I lose them fairly quickly because I don't have one myself, so it's usually barring one I need to well. I mentioned before, I actually have gone out with Ed Grimsley on one of his night watches and have seen these things that do the right angles and the going in one direction, stop and then go
another direction. I have no idea what it is, but it's it's amazing to watch, so it's incredible. I think this is where our breakthrough can come if people get out there with their night vision and take enough video like Grimsely and like these other two gentlemen, and you get that in front of the experts. I mean, I think they'd be more hard pressed to come up with answers. I think people tend to be a little little too not lazy, but you know, rely on what other people have told us.
We mentioned this with NASA, how every week NASA seems to figure something new out that they that we always thought they knew what was going on, but they have no idea of their own. Oh they are all these giant planets zooming around with no orbit. Well, yeah, you know more. People need to pick up their own telescopes, their own night vision equipment and look at this guy for themselves, because there's all sorts of crazy things going on
that we have no idea about and nobody's telling us about. In other news, Stephen Greer, founder of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, has been charged in connection with allegedly operating a commercial venture on a national wildlife refuge, according to the Outer Bank Sentinel, and is scheduled to appear before
the US District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina next month. Greer has been leading ambassador training courses for nearly a decade, which a week long intensive course is designed to prepare individuals for making peaceful contact with extraterrestrial civilizations.
These training courses have been held at a National Wildlife refuge in North Carolina for the past four years, and because of this, Greer is being charged with the operation of a commercial enterprise on a National Wildlife refuge, tresh passing on a national wildlife refuge, and violation of daylight use only regulation, which prohibits
all night time activities on pe Island except fishing. No permit was obtained by Greer or the organization to conduct business on the wildlife refuge, but, as a spokesperson from the US Five and Wildlife Service told the Outer Bank Sentinel, we don't allow and would not permit non wildlife dependent commercial recreation activities. Thus would not likely issue a permit for a UFO program, commercial or otherwise.
Yeah, we got a response from c Set directly that we posted, and I kind of feel bad for him because it sounds like they got bad information. That they were told by someone who used to work for the park that that person had secured the right permit and gotten the right permissions right, but that person actually hadn't, and they trusted that person. So I feel bad
because they trusted this person. At the same time, they charged one thousand dollars ahead for these things, so they probably should have checked with the park themselves to clear this stuff. But it doesn't seem right that and I don't think that that Fish and Wildlife person was accurate, and that they don't allow people to do anything in the land that isn't wildlife related. Yeah, I
think you're right with that. But it is interesting that they seem to have a daylight only regulation as well, and obviously skywatching would be at night. Yeah, so if they forbid all night activities as well. Interesting how people were able to get on the land anyway. Yeah, that's well, most parks are like that where they have a sign up that says you can't be
here after dark. That's true, that's true. And I've done this, I've organized these skywatches and usually you have to go and you have to get permission, and some places won't let you and some places will. But yeah, the quotes that they provided from the official theme like they were kind of discriminating against the against UFO people because they said, really it doesn't matter, we wouldn't give you a permit anyway. Yeah, that's not cool, not
cool at all. Well, I know you like movies a Lejandro, and I know you're looking forward to this one. Super eighth is being hype up through a variety of marketing efforts. A Super eight iPhone application was released last month to let you create your own vintage movies with the Super eight camera emulator and if that were cool enough, Paramount Pictures and the convenience store chain seven to eleven have announced a super Right promotion that will be giving away a trip
to space. Seven eleven Chief marketing officer Rita Bergerhuff explained that the Superright promotion, saying, not only will there be special prizes and a retro look from the nineteen seventies at the stores in honor of the movie, this promotion will rank as the largest ever for seven eleven, with an expected twenty one thousand prizes distributed. Topping it off will be a suborbital spaceflight or grandest prize ever.
Even if you don't win the grand prize of a space flight, they are still giving away ten zero gravity trips in cooperation with the company's space adventure. Super eight hits theaters this Friday, and Alejandro, there you go. Your dream is there? You can go to space? Yes, all I have to do is drink slurpees. I need to go get my slurpey cup. Anyways, I was really excited with the Simpsons movie when they did this. I still have my Slurpy Simpsons cups. When yeah, made them quickie
marked. We had one of those in Denver seven to eleven that was a quickie mark for a few weeks. Right, So yeah, pretty exciting. And what if you go on this space strip, I would imagine it's the Virgin Galactic one where because they're the most they're closest to being ready, where you just kind of go up into space and come back. But that'd be a lot of fun. The zero gravity one I'm not so sure about. Yeah, you know, i'd take it. But more excited about the suborbital
flight. Yeah, totally, but I don't think they've announced a partner for that. The only partner they announced for any of the space stuff was Space Adventures, which is, you know, a space tourism company and they do these these zero G flights right now. But I think they're one of the companies that's working on, yeah, taking people into space. So yeah, they're working on it. But some of these others, I think they're the ones who are hooking up with the Russians, aren't they? Yes to do
the hundred and fifty million dollars one, right, that'd be cool. You got to spend time on the space station, get blown up there by the Russians. Yeah, but he had a lot of fun. Even cooler is getting this free ride through seven to eleven. Yeah, yep, that's the way to go. Paramount Pictures announced on Thursday that it acquired the rights to make an animated adaptation of the Penny Arcade online comic strip The New Kid.
The Escapist explains that the plot of the New Kid comic strip is centered around a boy and his father talking about how they are constantly forced to move from planet to planet by his father's job, making the boy a constant new kid at school. In addition to New Kid, Paramount is also distributing the upcoming extraterrestrial related movies Super Aid and Transformers, Dark of the Moon, and is also scheduled to distribute Paranormal Activity three, a Star Trek sequel, and a
movie about Area fifty one. So Paramount Pictures seems to be very into the topic. But I guess this isn't a fantastically new theme concept for a movie. But you know, and it's a it's again an each movie geared towards children. It's about a boy who is the new kid in school. But
the school is a school filled with a classroom filled with extraterrestrials. So instead of a lot of the movies geared towards children and everybody else that we watch where a lone extraterrestrial comes to Earth, this has the Earthlink being the lone human on a different planet. Mm hmm. So again, more more extraterrestrial theme movies targeted towards children. Yeah, but that's been I mean there's all kinds of I don't think it's a growing trend. Necessarily. There's tons of
cartoons for for a long time that have been around extraterrestrials. A good portion of the cartoons out there, if you go watch and go see the cartoons have aliens in them or an alien related. It's definitely a genre that's huge when it comes to cartoons, right, Yes, and you and I have had this conversation. We talked about Marvin the Martian and other things. So you are right, it's been implanted in my brain since I was a wee. Last Yeah, all right, well there was We have a cool photo
from from this past week. A man who recently was vacationing in the outskirts of Kunming, China, accidentally photographed a UFO. He says he snapped two photos of the scenery, and later, when he was reviewing the shots later that night, he noticed three black dots hovering above the song Huaha Dam. In the photos, he thought the largest dot looked like a butterfly, but cunning UFO Research Society President Dang Yifang ruled out the that it was a butterfly.
He stated, it has a saucer of shape of a UFO. I believe it is a UFO, but I can't confirm anything yet with just one photograph. That's kind of a fun photo from last week. Yeah, it's pretty background too, it is. It's a very nice photo. And he's right, I mean, you look at it and it does sort of look like a butterfly. One of those Yeah. Usually I say, you know, especially if people don't see it, typically it's a bird or or something or bug, because you know, you don't they zip by and you don't
think anything of it. That or something they created, right, Yeah, that is one of the red flags. We've talked about that before when people say, oh, I didn't notice it when I took the picture, but I was reviewing it later and noticed this mysterious dot. But you never know, I mean never know, I've done that myself, and a lot of
photos you go back and lock yarll, what is that yeah? Or more often you take a picture of you and your friends and in the background there's a weirdo with a weird face, and you're all, well, who's that guy in my photo? That's in all the photos I take of you, Alejandro, who's that guy? Well. In a continuing trend of government X files, it's been a hot topic all these governments with their X files. A lot of files have been released this year. Well, apparently not Australia.
There files have gone missing. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the Australian Department of Defense has lost its X files. The Herald reportedly sought to obtain files from the Department of Defense relating to UFOs via a Freedom of Information request, but after two months of searching, the department was unable to locate the files. The Herald reports that the department's FOY Assistant director informed them that
only one file could be located and the others had been destroyed. Another UFO file showed up in the system, but again the FOI assistant director informed the Herald that the files could not be located and Headquarters Air Command formally advised that this file is deemed lost. Like in several other countries, defense officials in Australia investigated and kept records of UFO sidings for decades. The Royal Australian Air
Force RAAF was charged with investigating UFOs or uas unusual aerial sightings reports. According to Department memo Dysfunctions East in nineteen ninety six, after consideration of the scientific records, suggesting that there was no compelling reason for the RAAF to continue to devote resources to the recording and investigation of uas, Department of Defense heads decided to stop taking UFO citing reports. In November of two thousand, according to
the Sydney World Morning Herald lost the files. That's fishy, yeah, and I didn't get to read a whole lot about this, but I think one of the reasons, and it can correct me because you probably read more that they know these files were there is because one researcher had seen the files right and in the past as part of his job or something, so they knew
that they existed at some point. You're right, some people had seen these files that have gone missing, and even some like the person said, were indicated in the system, but when they went to go to get the file from where the system was telling them that the files lived, there was no file. Yeah. That's awfully suspicious. That's very interesting. Maybe that was Australia's way to just deal with the subject. We don't have to answer any
questions if we just lose the files filed in the shredder. Yeah. And one last bit of news a Lejandro. This was something that just came out today. There are rumors, and you've probably heard these rumors that during a special screening of ET the Extraterrestrial at the White House in nineteen eighty two, Ronald Reagan made a comment about everything in the movie being true. Well,
those rumors have now been confirmed by the film's maker, Steven Spielberg. In an interview with Ain'ted Cool News that was published today, Spielberg was asked about the Reagan rumors, to which he replied, he just stood up and looked around the room, almost like he was doing a head count, and he said, I want to thank you for bringing ET to the White House.
We really enjoyed your movie. And then he looked around the room and said, and there are a number of people in this who know that everything on that screen is absolutely true. Spielberg went on to say, I'm a little bit of a ufologist. I was hoping that there was something more to the joke than met the eye. I'm sorry to say. I think he was simply trying to tell a joke. Yeah, that's really And you know what's funny with this story too. I'm so excited about this story because I've always
been curious about this rumor. It's just been a rumor, so you kind of put it on the back burner. I know Grant Cameron of presidentialufo dot Com had gotten a letter from a friend who spoke to a friend of Spielberg's who said that he confirmed it with Spielberg. But still that's kind of third
hand. So it's really exciting to not only get up firsthand because we have the transcript like you just read from, but if you go to our site, the guy at Ain't It Cool News also put up the audio recording so you can hear Spilberg talking about it and his excitement about this whole event. So it's really cool. This is just I think for me, this is really exciting. I love this Spielberg stuff, and the idea of getting to
talk to him about UFOs and everything is just so exciting to me. Right, And we've all known that, you know, he's definitely has an interest in the subject because the majority of his films and television projects and everything to deal with the subject. But to hear him refer to himself as a ufologist is kind of interesting too. Yeah, that's really cool because he's been so elusive, especially lately, about his belief in UFOs when it was obvious and
well he's always dodged this rumor too. Yeah. Yeah, so it's great to hear finally you know what's going on. And then this whole was it real or was it not? Is wasn't a joker? Was it not? I mean, it's kind of exciting too, because what if it wasn't. He said he was straight lift He just said it straight, so we couldn't tell if it was a joke or not. But everybody laughed and he let
him believe it was a joke, So it's it's definitely interesting. And what was really funny too, is later on and I thought, oh, here, we're going to get to the meat of it because he said he did get a one on one with Nancy and Ronald and then they did whisper something to him, But it was just Ronald Reagan saying, why does the credits on the movies have to be so long? They should be he can't they just be fifteen seconds? Yeah, it's pretty funny, Yeah, really funny.
Well, just one of the great stories, one of the many great stories from this last week, and you could read all about them on our website Open Minds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. And that is it for the news for today. I'm your Open Mindes news correspondent Jason McLellan, and you've been breathed back to you all. Thank you, Jason.
That's right. We have so many exciting stories on the website, and I've just was really happy with today's story about Spielberg, and of course you can go to our site and read about it, listen to the audio, and then we have a link back to to PRESIDENTIALUFO dot com where he has a lot of information about Reagan and UFOs, and we also have a link to a great story that Antonio wrote on our own website, which is actually a great summary of Reagan and his UFO signings and his beliefs and stuff like
that. So a lot of information on all of this on our website, and even more exciting is in our upcoming issue of the magazine Open Minds Magazine. We have a little blurb on Hollywood and UFOs. We've gott an article from Jason on all this Hollywood and UFO stuff. Ugliously, you can see he's excited about this subject. But we also talked about dan Aykroyd Spielberg.
I'm Shirley McClain and Jackie Gleeson. So and we have a special photo that we received from the Ronald Reagan Library that I really wanted to use in the web today, but I didn't because we're saving it for an exclusive for the magazine which is coming out, and then of course it's from the Reagan Library. On it's out, everybody will have it and it'll be all over the
web. But it's pretty fun. Otherwise. You can come see those videos that we've talked about, the one from Fremont Grimsly at Grimsley's video and all these other night vision videos in our story about the media shining light on night vision UFO videos and then several videos of birds, even one that does look similar to some of these, so you can kind of determine for yourself.
And thank you to those people who are out there getting night vision of birds, because it's always helpful to get video of things that could be UFO so we can determine whether they are or not. And of course on everything else that we talked about, you can read all about that too. However, we've got a long interview with Joseph mcmonagle remote viewer number one, so let's go ahead and talk to Jill. I am very happy to have Joe mcmonagall
on the show. Thank you very much for being here. Hello, Eleandre, I'm glad to be here, yep. And one of the reasons we have you on is for the MOUFON Symposium coming up here real soon, so are excited for that. Yeah, I'm finishing up my presentation as we speak. In fact, I'm very excited about coming out. This will be my second trip in the second time that I presented at the MUFON conference and it's a lot of fun. I've always enjoyed being out there for Yeah, there
should be a big crowd, so it's going to be pretty exciting. Uh huh, what are you going to focus your talk on? Well, there's a number of things I'm going to touch on prenomenantly. I'm going to be touching on what we can expect in what we can expect in reality to be confronted with in a full on communications with an alien species. And I want to talk quite a bit about why I think we've probably already met these aliens and the meaning behind some of the things that have been going on in the
alien arena, that kind of thing. Great, Yeah, that sounds really exciting and in fact, you know, I think maybe we'll touch on that in a little bit. But I was thinking of going back in history, kind of going back to how this all started for you, and I think what you were traveling the world's going off over the place in the Army, is that correct? And then that's correct? Basically, I actually had a UFO experience in my first assignment in the Army. I was in Army Intelligence
and my first assignment was a Luther in the Bahamas. I know it sounds like a pretty tough place to be a sign, but I dutiful dutifull Lee went to the Bahamas for eighteen months and served on a lutra and in that
period of time had an incident with my with the guy. I worked with, a man by the name of Stephen Roberts, and he and I were were basically illuminated by a UFO over some sand dunes one night during that During that experience, we were both kind of framed in a very bright light coming off the underside of a very large UFO hovering at about twelve hundred feet, and we didn't know what to do. We were kind of like deer caught
in headlights. We just sort of stood there looking up. We had actually started to night going to a double feature movie and then had gone to the bar afterwards and had a few beers, so we were not completely intoxicated, but we were not feeling any pain. But it really surprised us that it sobered us immediately to be standing on these sand dunes on our way to our quarters, taking a shortcut to our quarters, to suddenly be illuminated by this
very large metallic craft. And after a few seconds of being in this light, very strong light, our perception was the light winked out and as our eyes were adjusting, the UFO kind of shot away and disappeared over the horizon. In retrospect, when I look back on it, it's very possible that it actually could have just collapsed, you know, down to a very small point of light or something, you know, hold it out of reality, so to speak, and it would have maybe given the appearance of having shot
away very quickly. But I I don't know late sixties. This was in nineteen sixty six timeframe, early nineteen sixty six, and we decided we went back to the bar, and we decided we didn't want to discuss it with anyone because we were very, very pleased with being in the Bahamas and not in Southeast Asia at the time, and so we made a pack that we weren't going to mention this to anyone. Unfortunately, the following morning, when
we both were awakened, we both had extremely bad sunburns. He in fact was burned so badly he was aravat to Homestad Air Force Base in Florida, WO, to the Army hospital there, I'm sorry, the Air Force hospital there, and I was treated on a luthra. I was not burned as badly because I was a diver and so I had an extremely good tan and that probably protected me from the UV rays, but he was burned pretty good. And they of course asked us how it happened, and we told them
what occurred, and they of course did not write that down anywhere. They said that they weren't going to make a silly report like that. What's interesting about it is in retrospect, I went and checked with the down range tracking systems that we had on a Luthra that were part of the Cape Canaveral tracking system, and they informed me that almost everything, every piece of equipment they had in telemetry and radar, etc. Had been wided out for approximately eight
minute period when that occurred. So, uh, it was a huge energy output that occurred at the same time. Now, in retrospect, given all of your experiences, what is your perception of what happened there? Why why this happened? Well, it's it's obvious to me that in order to in order to travel star a star or planet the planet, it's it's not going to be done with a fire away and it's uh, it's going to be it's going to be done with a vehicle that has the capacity or the capability
to fold in and out of space time. Uh. In other words, we're going to be dealing with aliens that use time machines and by virtue of the fact that they can disappear at one star and reappear in another, in other words, make the trip in a very rapid way or using a very rapid methodology. Uh, they have to be time machines violate time space U. If that's the case, then it opens an entire plethora of possibilities in terms of what aliens might be. They could, in fact be ourselves visiting
ourselves from the future. It could be a civilization that developed on Earth that might be visiting from the past. Or it could be true alien creatures that have no consensus with us in any subject area. We just don't know. It could also be that it's a that they hail from another universe completely kind of a multi dimensional place other than where we reside in terms of physics.
So it opens up a lot of questions. Yeah, so this was the beginning of your military career, and then years later, more than a decade later, as your career is burgeoning, you've come back to America and you've become remote viewer number one. How did you find out about this program and how did you feel about being recruited into it. Well, those are all very good questions, because if someone had actually walked me into a room and
said, we think you're psychic, would you volunteer for this program? I would have said, what are you out of your gourd? If someone had said, you know, everybody who thinks they're psychic in the room, raise your hands, and you know, we all knew that if we had raised our hands, our careers would have died on the spot, and you know, our clearances would have disappeared, and we of course would have been cooks or bottle washers or something the next day. But the way it actually happened
is they were a lot more nefarious. When I say they, the intelligence people, were a little more nefarious in their search for psychics within the army. They chose us, bringing us into a room and challenging us with a lot of paranormal material reports in these paper articles and things, some of which were classified at the time, and asked us how we felt about these things, and did we think that having absolutely no knowledge about any of those things,
was it could be or was a threat to the United States. And of course, after reviewing the material they presented me with I had to respond truthfully and say that I felt it was a great threat to the United States having for us to have no knowledge of, you know, what was behind these kinds of phenomena, I felt would be a tremendous threat, especially if another country had a capacity or capability that we didn't poss And so as a
result, I was sent to see some people where I was interviewed and they felt that I should go to SRI International on the West Coast and be tested. And I agreed to do that, thinking there's probably not a you know, not a way, not a way that I could be involved in this. And on arrival at SRI, I turned it turned out that in my sixth dole line remote viewing tests, I had five perfect results in one near perfect result. Wow, So that I was Stanford Research Institute all right,
exactly. So I was subsequently volunteered and became part of the Stargate it's now known as the Stargate Project. So that was got quite a process and you were very successful at it. Yeah, I was the first one recruited. I was a remote viewer zero zero one, you know, a licensed to kill. No, no, not really, but you know, I did get the number one, since I was the first recruited. And then when they realized if they gave zero zero two to the next remote viewer they recruited,
they'd be telling everyone how many remote viewers they had. So the next viewer got three eighty two or three eighty five or something like that. So I turned out to be the only double zeroe double low agent. Right, of course, there's no significance to that at all. There were six of us recruited in the original group. I believe three or three survive today, and out of those six, we were all individually felt the military felt that
all six of the original viewers were exceptionally good viewers. And that's how it proved out. Anyway, and the the course of our UH, our ability to respond to specific taskings and missions of all the intelligence agencies in America.
Was this pretty shocking to you? I mean it seems, especially you know, late seventies, you know, not too far from Vietnam, certainly on people's minds, that a lot going on and a very conservative type of period of time, and all of a sudden there's this there's this psychic program going on. Well, yeah, it was. It was a very conservative period and UH. But within the context of that, we were being tasked with some very real world problems, UH everything from UH missing fighter bombers to UH
to agents or to kidnap generals, to UH terrorist organizations and UH. And we were tasked double blind on these things, and we're able to in effect provide sufficient information to rescue people who were being otherwise tortured. We were able to locate and find things that other agencies spent literally dozens of months looking for and we're unable to find. We would, for instance, a bomber that
went down over Africa. The CIA and the number of other agencies looked for that plane for well over a year and we're unable to come up with any data. And we found the plane in four hours. So it turned out that the applications of remote viewing within the at least the purview of the intelligence agencies was of extreme value to the government. Now, maybe you can explain to people what double blind is and maybe a little bit about the process.
Yes, it's what makes remote viewing significantly different from just psychic functioning. Psychic functioning is someone who may get insight to something by you know, just popping up with information, having information just pop into their mind while they're discussing perhaps a murder case or something. But in most cases they do know something about what it is they're looking at. They may have some details about the murder case, that kind of thing. At the time, the single greatest deficiency
in using psychics was the fact that you had the frontload them. That you would give them information, and in many cases they would just sort of regurgitate that information back to you in a different package, and so to show that it was real psychic information remote the protocol for remote viewing was invented by SR International, where they would task a psychic with producing information, but would maintain that psychic in a double blind and a double blind scenario. In other words,
the psychic would be taken into a room. He would be sitting in an empty table in an empty room, and a person would come in with an envelope, say a double wrap to pick envelope which would have nothing written on it, and they would drop it on the counter and they would say, tell me what I need to know about what's in the envelope. Basically, neither that person nor anyone else in the room with the psychic at the
time would have any information that was pertinent to the target. So the idea was that it would force the psychic to actually use the psychic ability to obtain any information at all about the target. What's astounding is and in most cases, I say most cases, and at least fifty percent of the occasions it was used, the psychic would produce pertinent information that was very good value or
at least important value to the subsequent solving of the problem. Now, one of your books, your handbook I read, and I know you talked a lot about the importance of feedback and practicing kind of could you explain that, Yeah, practicing remote viewing is extremely important because basically every human being. We
know that every human being thinks differently. We are all brought up differently, we all have different experiences, our minds all work differently, and the way we frame information in our minds and use it is completely different one from the next person. So you can't generally make a statement that says only this kind of information will occur with someone at this particular point in thinking. You have to allowed it that all kinds of possible information may pop up in somebody's mind.
The idea about being psychic is not so much the information popping up in the mind, but the ability to understand the symbology of that information. What does it mean when you get the image of a swimming pool, for instance, It doesn't It almost never means that there's a swimming pool at the target. But what it will mean is that there's a large containerized area, perhaps
some fluid that might be in the target area. And so you have to try to interpolate how those symbolic pictures and things are popping into the mind. Everybody does that differently, so the rules can't be hard and fast. The only rules that you can really make about remote viewing is don't jump to conclusions. Don't try to identify specifically what it is you're talking about. Just try to give the barest facts, the minimum facts that come into the mind.
In many cases people are able to do that, and in some cases they're not. The Only way to discern whether or not somebody is a world class psychic or world class remote viewer is to have them actually do it. In in order for them to become good at it, they have to practice it in a repetible, fatable way. In other words, over and over and over, until it becomes second nature. It's kind of like a mental muscle. They have to exercise. Yeah, and you kind of learn how your
muscle or your brain works that way. Then huh, exactly, And so it's very hard. Well, another person can't say this is a rule. That's always hard fast. You know, if you get an image of an inverted V, it always means a religious target. Well, no, not necessarily. It may it may be so for sixty three point five percent of the population, but the other part of the population, the inverted V is
going to be meaningful for something else. So it's only through practice that we can we can learn the sort of this dynamic language of the mind, the subconscious to the conscious mind. And in that language is dynamic, it changes constantly, so practice is required. Even if someone is a world class remote viewer, they still have to practice on a regular basis so they lose it. It makes sense because then you can learn how to also translate, because
like you said, it's the pool. Then you can write maybe, uh, because I've taken some some of the courses and stuff and seeing how different people would do it. If you write water or fluid container as opposed to pool, then when you find out what the target is, you can see maybe it was a glass of water or Yeah, even more importantly, if you're if you are putting down the details like cube ground level contains fluid,
fluid flows a certain direction, that kind of thing. Uh. Then when that information is married up with other intelligence information, say an overhead satellite photograph or uh maybe two or three reports from some one agents, then that information may imply that there is an underground element to the target that no one knows
about. And then they can take adequate steps to re target using the kinds of implementation or implements that might provide the specific information that you're looking for about the underground portions of the target. That kind of thing. It's never used alone. It's always used in conjunction with other intelligence intelligence information. But it
can prove extreme value that way. Yeah, And which makes sense because a lot of people unfortunately are kind of out there quote unquote remote viewing and unknown targets, and then they do talk about how they've discovered what's on the moon and who makes crop circles and all of these. Yeah, you can't really do that. You have to be able to you have to be able to have something. You have to have something that you can compare the information to
that you can validate the information with. There's many techniques and methodologies for doing that. It takes a lot of time sometimes to build target information or a library of information about a target to the point that you can extraploit extrapolate sufficient information of value. All of these are also bits and pieces of the techniques that are married into married up with the actual remote viewing that makes remote viewing
a methodology that's worth using. People that don't understand all of these things or don't have the sufficient man hours of research backing them up, you know, will usually fail and any efforts that they may attempt. Yeah, I wanted to get to I guess that we haven't talked about Ingo Swan, who and from what I understand, it was an sr I who kind of had him since he was a known psychic who I guess they were able to demonstrate had a real ability on. Yeah, he helped them create the protocols. Well.
Ingo Swan was a psychic in New York and he became known to doctor hal put Off, and doctor put Off brought him to SRI to study him, and he became more than just a guinea pig or a subject. He became a partner in research and helped helped to develop some of the remote viewing protocol. A lot of the a lot of the things about remote viewing are a direct result of some of the things that Ingo Swan did. For instance, in the beginning, they used outbounders. That's where they sent people to
the actual target sites and targeted the people. Of course, that would have been very difficult. If you're looking at a Russian classified area, you would have to find someone who had access to that area and target them. They found that to be very difficult. So Ingo said, well, what we can do is we can use coordinates, you know, geographic coordinates for the targeted area, and that seemed to work very well. The CIA, of course, balked at that. They came around the first five months I was
a viewer working for the agency. They balked at the fact that their targets were being given to me in geographic coordinates. And so we said, well, that's fine, we understand you think Joe has a photographic memory and he's memorized the world. Well that's fine, why don't you put the geographic coordinates in a double raptopig se almblow and we'll just ask Joe to report on what he finds important whatever location is identified inside the envelope, and that works just
as well. So you know, we went we made the let very quickly into sealed envelopes. The process is really driven by two things. Intent. That's the operational intent of the people making or inventing the target. What their intention is, what they in their expectation for outcome. If you have an intention to penetrate the underground area of an ICBM site and you have the expectation that you will produce valuable information about that site, then that's precisely what the
remote viewer will do. How the target is identified within the envelope is really not very material. Set intention and expectation. It gets the viewer to the target interesting and then early on getting onto kind of back to the UFOs UFOs. Surprisingly, when I was, you know, reading about remote viewing became kind of a fairly common type of thing. I think every remote viewer I've read about has had some sort of experience looking at this sort of thing.
And I think even the Ingo Swan had an unexpected run in when they at the beginning of the program m when they were trying to remote view at a submarine. Uh huh, there there's some interesting things about UFOs throughout the history of the program. Uh. There of course was a great deal of interest in UFOs, so there was a lot of targeting of the remote viewers on UFOs. I have to say, however, that almost all the targeting of UFOs was not bequest of the government, but at the bequest some of the
other viewers. So the viewers themselves were setting up blind targets for other viewers. They were not being told or knew that they were working actually on UFOs. During the history of the project, there was only one actual official viewing of a UFO, and that happened to be a US Air Force target and
I was asked to be the viewer on that particular project. What actually had happened is they in using some of the Air Force surveillance equipment to photograph a target site in an Eastern Bloc country, they happened to capture an object at about fourteen thousand feet in one of the photographs, and not knowing what it was, they sent a negative of that wrapped in a double wrapped the pick
envelope to our office and asked us to target. I came up for targeting at that time and did some very nice drawings of the actual the actual facility that they had been taking photographs of. While doing the drawings of that facility, I happened to state that I had a sense of something that just passed
in front of my face, and they asked me. The man who was sitting with me thought that maybe I had seen the fast mover or the vehicle that had actually taken the photograph, and he thought that would be really neat if Joe could draw a picture of this classified fast mover, And so he asked me if I would draw it, and I said certainly, And after a few minutes of concentration, I ended up drawing an oblique circle on the
page and filling it in as what apparently was a saucer shaped craft. I said the craft was at approximately thirteen thousand feet and was traveling at fourteen thousand I'm sorry, traveling at four thousand miles per hour and had just finished making a hard right hand turn ninety return in that photograph. In fact, in three frames of the photographs, it did make a ninety degree right turn, it was estimated to be traveling at approximately thirty nine hundred miles per hour,
and it was traveling at about eleven thousand feet. So that battle alone was verified by the the analysis of the photo. And there was some other information that I provided which I can't share, but was a very interesting target to do. Wow, how did they react to that? Well, that's an interesting story in itself. I having the clearances and whatnot, I immediately typed out a request for my own copies of the photo and sent it into the
system. And when that floated around out there for about ten days, I got a message to report to the commanding general, and my commanding general told me that he wanted to know in the military, I'll see, it was the Naval Intelligence Service at the time NIS, who was specifically charged with protecting those photographs. They wanted to know why I had asked for copies of the
photographs that were missing from that particular file. So I was never able to get copies of the photograph and they were pretty hot about finding out why I was asking for photos that turned up to be missing. Oh wow, Yeah, it turned into a more complicated situation than I had expected. So I guess just to get an idea, because this is so interesting how the group work. I mean it was set up when you started, I mean, was there a period of to get things rolling, the whole department rolling with
their training for you and the rest of the group. And how long did that last? Yeah, initially it was going to be a study project. We were going we knew that at the time we were at war, in a Cold war with a Soviet Union, and we knew that through our own nefarious ways, that the Soviet Union was using psychics to target to target us,
and we had no idea how effective that was. But it bothered us that we didn't know, and so a suggestion was made that the way to find out, since we can't get someone into the Soviet psychic program, the way we would do it is we would spend a three year period studying how they did exactly what they did. We would use the first year to recruit
and train our own psychics exactly the way the Russians were being used. Then we would spend the second year we would send those recruits out into the world, and those would we would target things we knew about, like the BI or the CIA, or the White house that kind of thing, and then at the end of the second year, we would take all the materials that we collected psychically and turn those materials over to a independent agency who would evaluate
the results and say, oh, this is approximately how good you did, so this is probably how good the Russians do. In that way, we would have some ground truth about their ability. Well. As it turned out, no one knew what training meant, so we were pretty much just practicing remote viewing. We did have the basic protocol for remote viewing down, so we were doing practice runs with targets, local targets like air fields and fire
stations and things like that. And about three months in we had the Iran te irantage problem where our embassy was taken over and they of course had no way of monitoring what was going on inside the embassy. They asked a number of us to They woke us up in the middle of the night before anyone in America knew that the embassy had been taken over, and they asked us
to. They told us that an embassy somewhere somewhere in the world had been taken over by terrorists, and we were asked to identify by photograph the people who were kept as hostages because it had been taken over on a Sunday, so nobody knew who was a hostage and who wasn't. We identified I think it was sixty four people at the time, actually did some pencil sketches of
three of the people because there was no photo for them. It turns out that those three people were later identified as CIA agents that it was in country. Have we not drawn sketches of them, they probably would have died in captivity. It turned out our accuracy was phenomenal in identifying the actual hostages.
So as a result, we ceased being a study group and were reoriented and reactivated as a active collection facility, and that was approved and financed on a year to year basis based on our abilities in what we were able to accomplish, and as a result, we existed for twenty years and provided intelligence to every intelligence organization in America over that twenty year period, to include five administrations in the White House of an ad Wow, do you know what that?
The White House self like, I come to you guys for for work we we did. We did work for the White House, the Secret Service, the FBI, C I, A, D, E. A, d I, A, n S A, UH, National Security Council, all the intelligence agencies as a d O D to include the Coastguard. I mean there was I can't think of a single intelligence organization that we didn't do work for. Wow. Were there some groups I think I had read this that came in and asked you to do work and you just you didn't know who
they were? Uh? Yes, there were some groups that did that. Initially, h Initially they had a great deal of doubts about psychic the use of psychics, and so they felt that even giving a hint as to what group may have tasked the material would be giving too much information. So we were asked to demonstrate our abilities by targeting information and coel envelopes provided by totally
unknown people. And in many cases, oh, actually in all cases we were able to do that, demonstrate that we were able to do that. In one case, I was personally asked if I could if I could track a human being, and I said yes, And so the agency, which I did not know at the time, provided me with a three x five card with a single social security number written on it, and I was told that that was the target individual. So I had no idea if it was a man, a woman, a child, or what or where in America
they might be. And I was called randomly on three different occasions and asked to describe with detail exactly where they were. On all three occasions that specific spot in which they were standing was easily identifiable by my drawings. So as a result, we got a lot more tasking from that specific agency, and then eventually you guys went on to train train other groups. Well, that's not entirely true. There was an attempt. There was an attempt made to
train remote viewers. There was some feeling Englo Swan had some ideas that he could put together a training mechanism whereby he could train people who were not psychic to be psychic, and an attempt was made to do that. It was a six stage training mechanism. Only the first three stages were trained over a period of eighteen months, and what we wound up with was no significant improvement with any of the people that were being trained, so it was terminated.
Subsequently, what we discovered in that we discovered this through research is that all human beings, regardless of background, race, place of birth, culture, or anything else, all human beings are psychic to some degree or another. That degree of psychic ability is differentiated by levels of personal talent. Just like you would have someone who had sufficient talent as a baseball player to end up
the National Baseball League, so it goes with psychics. There are some who have a natural ability or a natural talent that can excel and whereas most people don't. Most people are just naturally psychic in a spontaneous way that you know, it happens once in a while. Yeah, we've done, you know, in the past and it years. I've been involved with a few different things where with remote viewing exercises and with our move on in Colorado, there
was one individual who was just really good at it. Definitely showed that he was more accurate, much more so than anybody else. Uh yeah, and surprisingly in this also from research, I can tell you that if you were to stand on any street corner and any random city on the planet and just randomly grabbed two hundred people off the street, you would basically be grabbing one
world class psychic. If in that two hundred, Wow, that's a lot of world class psychic out there, right, And so somebody would say, well, where are they? You know, it's four hundred thousand in America alone. Where are they, Well, they're the stockbroker who's making the right guests on what investment to make sixty eight percent of the time or better. They are the surgeon who intuitively does exactly the right thing when seconds are involved
in saving a life. They're the painter who has incredible skill at bringing paintings to life. And that's who these people are. Yeah, makes sense. Now. The video kind of portrays that Project Stargate was closed down because it wasn't effective, which kind of doesn't make sense. Why would the program last so long if it wasn't effective? And that doesn't seem to be accurate.
Exactly. Well, I got a I was aware of a legion Americ by the Secretary of the Army for for providing Basically, I provided standalone intelligence of national interest or hire in over one hundred and sixty missions as a remote viewer.
I will tell you that as an intelligence officer who spent nearly fourteen years overseas, in that entire fourteen years, I was only able to produce a single intelligence first in that entire time of six and a half years before I retired from the Army, I was able to do that over one hundred and sixty times as a remote viewer. So you do the math. That's a phenomenal success as a intelligence officer. So yeah, it's true, very low
percentages. Our success rate was somewhere between eighteen and twenty percent. But the difficulty is you have to look at what we were tasked with. The eighteen and eighteen to twenty percent or eighteen to twenty two percent success rate we had was with targets that no other agency could find a solution for. We didn't even get them until many of those agencies that worked those problems for one or more years, they were dumped in our lab and we were able to solve
twenty two percent of them. And that's a very low percentage, true, but we were able to solve twenty two percent of those within hours. I think that's significant, right. I mean, even if you consider a police work, you know, if you have you're able to resolve just by using these these these mesthods twenty percent of your full cases. That's better than not
solving them. Oh, that's incredible, that's that's absolutely fantastic. There are police, I know, there are police departments who would build whole departments that could do that if they could do that. So yeah, and there are some other area other things about remote viewing that are not as commonly known are as well known that that make it even you know, more important. As an example, on nuclear targets, for example, remote viewers almost at least
some remote viewers almost never miss a nuclear target. So if you're if you're looking for where's the nuke? You know which shell is the new kid under? Well you want to remote view are looking for it because the remote viewer almost never misses that question. So when it comes to your talk at move On with UFOs and Extra Treastrials, is that you're remote viewing of UFOs giving you the insight that you're using for this talk. It's given me a considerable
amount of insight in fact, and and a lot of an insight. I'm using to address some of the problems that we may face if we were to come in full contact with aliens, and that's kind of the gist of my presentation. I'm going to speak directly to first what I know to be true based on remote feeling, and what I think we could expect based on remote feeling. So what are some of those things that you know to be true. Well, i'd be giving it away. You need to come to the
move on conference to find out. H Yeah, but you got to give them a little hint so they can be like, oh, wow, this is great, I gotta go. Well, there's a lot. There's a lot said, for instance about you know, almost almost everyone that has some kind of direct alien contact experience uh deals with the large dark eyes in the feature almost featureless face. And I can tell you from remote viewing that the reason for that is because all aliens where what I would call a skin suit.
It's a very uh it's a very form fitted uh environmental suit which is used to protect their uh, their senses, their uh smell, taste, touch site, everything about how they are influenced buy our reality. The for instance, the eyes have to be covered because many of the the biologic threats that they would be facing within our our our environment would be uh very damaging to them through the through the eyes, through the mucus of the eyes.
So they were they were these environmental suits, and the environmental suits are not meant to hide them. It's it's meant to protect them and to give them some some edge over uh over their normal uh ability when they're within our environment within there, when they're within our uh uh bright sun are are you know, our starry nights so to speak, versus their kind of a super advanced space suits. Yeah. And and the other difficulty is catching them out outside
of one of those environmental suits. That does occasionally occur, but it occurs when they're within their own protected an environment, which is their ship or their vehicle. The vehicle is not particularly well suited for deep space travel, but then it doesn't have to do deep space travel. It only has to do
a fold in and out through time space. So, but the but the inside of their vehicle does protect them, does protect them to a great extent from the multi variant diseases and viruses and things that we have on our planet that they would become very quickly victim to. Mm hmm. Now I've heard that you've done some help with crash retrieval type of work. Do you believe that their craft have crashed on occasion? Yes, I believe they have.
Here's here's some facts that that I know from hands on. I've been to at least twelve known crash sites where many people believe UFOs have crashed only one of those actual crash sites. Do I believe in alien vehicle crashed. There's a substantial evidence, through investigation or post investigation, that many of those crashes were our own vehicles, our vehicles of our own creation. Does that include pardon, does that include Roswell. I don't think a crash appened at Roswell.
I think that's a watched the birdie thing. It's it's interesting to me that every time, every time serious discussion begins surrounding the I'm not going to remember it now, the crash in there was another area in Mexico where the Roswell one happened, or a different crash. No, it's a different crash site entirely. I can't. He has to forgive me. I can't remember
the site Augustine. And but whenever serious discussion arises about that particular crash site, all of a sudden, Roswell pops up and everybody starts discussing Roswell again, and the Air Force starts passing on information, and there's all kinds of stuff about Roswell. And I think Roswell is a distractor. It's meant to distract us from the actual crash site may huh at no, No, it's a different one than that. Okay, ies real one. Yeah, from
the actual the actual event, it's of importance. The The other thing which is interesting to me is the uh Uh it's very difficult, for instance, uh targeting targeting an alien craft. It's very difficult in the first place because I think they have a very clear sense of women are being targeted psychically. Uh So. Uh a psychic is generally given something to keep them busy. Uh. In my case, I've they continually give me boxes within boxes.
So uh for instance, I started out with an with a sort of an impression of uh in kind of a y three lines all intersecting, and uh it took took six months for me to figure out that what I was seeing was the inside of an empty corner of a box or an empty box. Uh, the inside corner of an empty box. And uh So they do things that that are kind of like, you know, hand the kid a
rattle and maybe he'll get involved and and be distracted. So uh Uh there are there are ways around that, and the ways around it are to uh target target things where they don't expect you to be, and that would be at some of the sites in which alien vehicles might be spotted uh, in all of the tens of thousands of sightings uh, in order to target one that actually has real aliens involved in it. That's a pretty daunting task, you know, uh, which ones are for real and which ones aren't so
uh. Preliminarily speaking, remote viewing can be used to sort of weed out the the less uh, the less real from the real uh. And then once you've done that, then you can sort of get down the business and target real sights and and get more information. And that one of the two twelve sites where you believe it was a real crash. Why did the object
crash? The object crash because it collided with another vehicle with a plane, and the plane the plane basically uged in and exploded on the desert floor. This is in nineteen fifty And the actual vehicle itself, it was witnessed by two miners, and the vehicle itself skipped along the ground like a frisbee. It actually ricocheted off the ground two or three times before coming to rest nose
first into the side of a hard rock kind of mesa. And if you go there today you can actually see the imprint of the circular outer edge of the oplique oblique vehicle just as it just as it had been impacted into the side. See where the stone has been blasted away in all directions. And then you can see the ashual heavy track marks of the military vehicles that came
in to remove the vehicle from the area. Of course, they're much well printed in the area nearer to the crash than they are where they were just simply driven in off the tractor trailers. But the evidence is still there. It's the middle of a desert where it never rains, and you can still see the mining equipment and the digging equipment and buckets and things that the miners had, so you know all the facts at up and except there's nothing there.
But it's a very real site for me because it feels different from the other sites which don't seem to be one hundred percent. They never seem to be quite one hundred percent. Is this a well known crash or one? Maybe that's in Ryan Woods book? Uh, it's I will tell you it's in Ryan Woods book. Uh huh? Did he write about your experiences with that in the book? I'm not I'm not going to say one way or
the other, because I haven't, I haven't. I don't know which one we're talking about, So okay, gotcha, Okay, yeah, that sounds pretty interesting. I know in the fifties two, I was reading in Jim Mar's book that you had remote viewed UFO math sighting in Tacoma, Washington. That's correct. Yeah, uh huh. And I was targeted on a mountain near Tacoma, Washington because everyone thought there was an alien base, an underground alien base there, and but what in fact I found was and did actual
drawings turn out to the very accurate drawings. When I did the drawings, everybody said, though, it's got to be an alien base, nothing like that ever existed on the Earth. And many years later, I think twelve years later, what it's turned out to be is an over the horizon radar site, and it, of course is a top secret facility for twenty years because no one knew you could look over the horizon with radar because it's the
line of sight. So my drawings are very accurate though for the actual site itself, the facility itself, So there are bizarre things that you do pick up on that you can see and say, oh, those have got to be alien, that can't possibly be us, when in fact it is us and we just don't know about the technology. I think my last question will be do you think that the Stargate program probably could have continued but gone even more clandestine? No, I don't think it has. Uh, I know,
right, I don't think it has. And the reason I don't think it has is, uh, even when it was operational, we had as many distractors as we had friends. Uh. It was going going to work every day. It was like a knife fight in the phone booth. And didn't know who your friends were, your enemies were. And it's just too big a a target. Uh. Any politician involved who would have their careers ruined over it because they were believing, uh end quote in that psychic that
funky psychic stuff. Generals were put off by it because uh nobody, nobody in their sane or right mind would buy into that stuff, that kind of thing. Uh. But on the other hand, we had some very powerful senators and some very uh, very interesting operational people down at the down at the agent level who believe very very much in what we were doing and used our information all the time. So no, I don't. I don't think. I don't think it continued. I think it was ended. Gotcha.
Well, thank you so much for being on the show. Really intriguing. I'm very excited to hear your talk and move on. I hope I can catch it. If no, I'm definitely going to get the DVD. All right, definitely definitely be there. It'll be fun. Yeah. I suggest everybody come and enjoy it, and then your website's Emcyeagle dot com. That's correct. All right, great, is there anything else you wanted to share with listeners? No, no, just come to the event and hear my
talk. It'll be fun. All right. Great, Well, thank you so much. You're welcome. Have a nice day. All right. You will be able to see mister mcmona go, myself and some other of our open Minds peeps at the event he was talking about, which is the mouf On Symposium in July twenty ninth through the thirty first in Irvine, California. So that's going to be a lot of funmofon dot com to find out more about that. And as you heard in the interview, Joe does have a
website and several books. Very very interesting stuff, especially if you are interested in remote viewing and how to do it yourself or at least see if you have any abilities that way. You can read some of his books and that handbook that he talked about, the handbook for remote viewing that he did, is very helpful, especially for getting to the details and the things like the feedback like he talked about in the exact protocols and really what they did to
do what they do. But as he says, you know, you really got to be able to know if you're accurate or not and find that out. And one of the coolest remote viewing exercises that I've done and remote viewing classes do, is you just get some pictures and you can get together some
friends and maybe put some pictures on your laptop. And of course you as a facilitator wouldn't be able to participate, but then you get these pictures on your laptop and you have people do remote view and you know, get a book or something so you can know the protocols when they do those protocols, don't show them the picture, of course, and then display the picture and see how accurate people were describing the pictures that they're going to see and you'll
have some amazing results and you'll find there are some consistencies where some people are better at it than others. So it's very interesting and it's a lot of fun to do. We're out of time. Thank you so much for joining us on Open Minds Radio. Next week. I'm not quite sure who we're going to have. I'm shuffling around a few people. Definitely can have Ted Loader even either next week or the next. And he's a PhD. And
we talked about the physics of UFOs and things like that. And I'm talking to astronaut Story Musgrave who had his own UFO sighting and it talks about UFOs and stuff, and so I have been talking to him. He's a busy guy, so hopefully we'll be able to get some time from him. So we got a couple of exciting interviews coming up, and you'll have to wait and check out our website. In the next couple of days, we'll post who will be next week, but we'll be here with the show and it'll
be a great guest, So don't forget to be here yourself. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit Openminds dot tv for more UFO news and we will talk to you next week. People, how do you have a good week