Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we
have a fun show today. We've got a local guy here, Joseph Apolo. He goes by just Apollo and he does meetings out here. He's been an investigator into UFOs and ET contact for thirty years now. He's part Cherokee. He has a little Italian throwing in there too, But he likes to look at this matter from a Native American perspective, and that's what we'll be
talking about today. A lot of the Native American legends out there. He says that there are many tribal elders who have been recently coming out about their tribal secrets regarding ET, so that's exciting because I kind of feel the same way. Really, it's kind of the different background culturally that I have that got me into all of this. So I'm really excited to talk to him, and I know he's really excited to be on the show. Great fun guy, He's got a good group out here. Also, we've got some
changes to the show coming up, good and bad. In fact, I don't even know if our engineer way knows about these changes. We'll see, but we've only got three shows left here on kfn X. Oh, I guess he didn't know, No, he didn't. So in the four weeks, we're going to be moving back to seven pm. And here's what a lot of you listeners are going to like is that we are going to switch
back to an hour and a half format. We've got a lot of people asking for the show to be longer, so we will have a longer show. Yet again, I'm gonna miss it here in the studio because it's a lot of fun and the staff here at KFNX is great. But we'll be online as usual. We'll go back. Some of you I've been on following the show for a while might remember kind of the cool stuff we were able to do in our TV studio, so we'll be going back to doing that
kind of thing, and of course we'll still be podcasting and everything. So all of our new Phoenix metro area listeners, like our guests tonight, you're just gonna have to listen online or watch us of course at Openminds dot tv. You can always watch us live and chat with us on the internet. I'll miss you, buddy. Well don't say goodbye. Yeah, we've seen here for a couple more weeks. Now you have time to save up some money to get a guest exists good bye exactly. So that's the big news.
Other big news, of course, is the UFO Congress coming up in February this week. In fact, even tomorrow, we'll probably be sending out our notice of registration, so you can already start registering for the UFO Congress twenty eleven. And we will also have a list of about ten of the confirmed speakers. Of course, we're going to have twenty plus speakers. But and we're not blending you in on everything yet, but we're going to give you a taste of what it's going to be like. And a bunch of
the speakers out there I'll give you some little insider. Let's see who can I think of off the top of my head, Jim Mars, Lloyd Pie, those are going to be some of them. Stan friedman everybody loves. We got to have him back, and I'll tell you what. He did this new talk at mofon that was really good and people loved it. I know people come out and say, oh, I already heard his talks, but a lot of people have move on. We're saying, you know what,
I've heard Stan Stock for decades, but he did something new. It It was really good talking about Stephen Hawkings. So we've got a lot of great people coming up. So check out the website tomorrow, or if you're on our email list, then you will receive an email tomorrow saying register for
the Congress. And here's some of the cool people we got. Speaking of cool people, I am always joined by a very cool dude, Jason McClellan, our news guy, and of course we're always posting the latest news on UFOs on the website, and Jason is here to let us in on what's been going down. Greeting Zalahandro, Hello, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds News Brief for Monday, August second, twenty
ten. Holy cow, It's August. A European film crew paid a visit to Needles, California yesterday to do a story on a UFO that reportedly crashed south of Needles in May two thousand eight. The story has certainly received previous attention from US media companies. George Knapp from KLAS, the CBS affiliate in Las Vegas, did a series of stories regarding this incident, and it was
also featured on the History Channel series UFO Hunters. KTOX, the radio station in Needles, says it gets calls all the time from Europeans interested in information relating to the two thousand and eight crash. The European film crew doesn't have firm details, but they do hope to have the project they are producing air to on the Travel Channel. Alejandro, you know more about this Needles incident, don't you? Yeah? This is a whole George Nap story. You
can go YouTube the George Nap coverage. He's of course a guy in Las Vegas who's an investigator and a reporter, but really interesting. Bob down by the river, who saw this stuff, felt harassed and took off and George couldn't find Bob down the river for a the while. But really interesting case. In fact, some of those black, you know, unmarked cars were driving around and George saw one on the highway. He flaked it down and
to find out what happened with the conversation, which was very interesting. You're gonna have to go look it up. So look up George Knapp's investigations on needles. The details of this crash and this story are interesting with you know, details that don't seem to be seen in other cases, I mean to a teal or a turquoise UFO. Yeah, really weird and actually witnessing a crash. And you know, I know George quite a bit. He's had
me on coast to coast when he hosts sometimes. But we're still having problems getting him to confirm speaking at the congress. So call him up and say, George, you have to speak at the UFO Congress. Tell us about needles live and in person. I'd love to hear more from him, or email him. If you don't have his phone number, there you go. Probably not. A UFO was seen in Pretorious, South Africa last week two consecutive nights. A witness described the object as having very bright lights and being
almost heart shaped. On the second night, neighbors gathered to watch the object and even watched it through binoculars, but were unable to make out its shape. The South African Air Force, the Johannesburg Planetarium, and the Hercules Police Station had no knowledge of the incident, but still a group of people gathered in thought two nights in a row. Mm hmm. Yeah, those are always interesting and it happens frequently, but it's fun to hear about the international
sightings as well. Oh yeah, because there's so many. Investigative journalist Leslie Keen has published a new book about UFOs. But what is grabbing people's attention is the author of the books forward. Former President Clinton's chief of staff, John Podesta, is lending his name to this new book on UFOs, entitled UFOs Generals, Pilots, Government Officials go on the record. While Podesta's involvement may surprise some, there are others who know that Podesta has gone on record
before advocating the Pentagon's release of classified government documents relating the UFOs. Leslie Keyne's book goes on sale August tenth. Of course, our first magazine, we had an article on that written by yours truly, that's right. A woman in Newberry spotted a UFO. Last week in the UK, Sandra Bartholomew and her husband spotted the fast moving blue light in the sky at ten thirty pm.
Their first assumption was that they were seeing a balloon, but after observing the light move quickly then shoot towards the moon, they firmly believed that what they saw was no balloon and no Chinese lantern, something that is commonly reported as a UFO. Yep. And our upcoming magazine, the fourth issue, we're going to have a story similar like that. Someone wrote into us and I wrote back to that guy and said, hey, we're going to use
your story in the magazine. This is someone in the UK. And he said, oh great, because I saw this thing again and here's what it looked like. So pretty cool. That's really cool. And when I was reading this and you know, hearing about the movements again, we've been hearing a lot about things and the movements that shouldn't be what the Chinese lantern is making. So it's a good identifier. But my first uh, thought was that, oh, it's blue, you know, not these orange balls we've
been hearing about a lot lately, and Chinese lanterns typically are orange. But if you go on any website and look at the Chinese landers, they come in a variety of colors. You can get any color you want, so that the color doesn't rule it out right away. Yeah, And I hadn't gone to the fireworks stores, so I was surprised when Debbie told me that they were selling these things at all the fireworks stores, because I remember when I used to go to them a long time ago, they didn't have those
things. They seem to be a new uh favorite. Yeah. Another UFO siding from last week in the skies above Brazil, passengers observed a UFO while their plane was above Rio de Janeiro. The object was described as an egg shaped ball of light and it seemed to follow the plane for two minutes. Apparently, some passengers were even screaming because they thought the plane in the UFO were going to hit each other. A passenger, though, fortunately managed to
take photos of the object out his window. And if you're watching the stream, we have a nice picture of that. It's difficult to make out, of course, but it does look like an egg shaped ball of light. Tell me, ah, yeah, do you know? Of course there's a Lanni's and more case Sikora, which we're writing about in this upcoming magazine too. But you know you can read about that in lots of places. That was a very convincing case for some people, and that was egg shaped.
So it sounds incredible. It sounds like work from Mork or Mork from Mork. I get those mixed step. It's more from work, isn't it, because it's more Commindy. I'm having fun listening to you. Yeah, but yeah, people see these egg shaped white oval craft like that. Every time I get on an airplane, I spend the whole flight looking out the window. Me too, I always think of cloud City though, Yeah, that's true. I think we're too alike. And to revisit a story we've been
following the Chinese airport. They was shut down several weeks ago by a UFO. The airport shut down for hours because an unidentified object was hovering over the airport. Still, several weeks later, no official word about what shut the airport down. What was in this guys? Like we talked about last week, and we just wrote another story up yesterday. There's a lot of confusion about what's real what's not real. But they even confirmed that there are no
photos except for one and no videos. Only one photo, like we wrote about in our story last week, that is related to this sighting. It was a photo that was taken after and not at the airport, and it turned out to be an airplane. But as for the original event, there's
still no explanation. Right, And this story was fascinating because it grabbed so much media attention, a lot of US media attention, major news sources, and since then, since the official word came out, or official word the only statem instead of come out about, oh, this photo doesn't seem to be related to the incident, these major news sources only are reporting on that fact. Right. They're coming back saying, oh, well, the photo
isn't real, so I guess we're not interested anymore. Yeah, And they came there forgetting the fact that the airport was shut down by some obset in the sky and they just completely dropped the story. Yeah, I mean, why would you shut down an airport. This is a big airport, So that's still a very strange part to this whole story, and that now they actually said two crews and passengers had seen it before they said it was one plane and crew that had seen it. Yep, we'll continue following this story.
I know you recently published another article on the website about it, so we are certainly following any updates. And you can read about these stories and more at Openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your open Minds News course fund at Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed. Thank you, Jason. I have a feeling that that they'll just leave edit, that we'll never find out, they'll never talk about it anymore. That happens
a lot. But other stories we have on the web. I Jess porosted one on Gordon Cooper astronaut, one of the first guys spend a lot of time in space. And we have one on the michelin Man. You know that weird looking alien thing. People have actually seen that coming out of UFOs. Check it out open Minds at TV. We'll be back in a sec.
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How are you good? Did you do the whole? A la la lajandro? Like that song. I've been practicing saying it that way for a week. I have yet to hear this song. I hear a lot about it, but I don't think I've heard a little bit. I think, but that's it. I'm afraid of watching the video because I hear it's kind of So how are you. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on, Arire. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for coming on. So
you've been into this subject and researching it for over thirty years now. Oh absolutely, And before before I get started, I just really want to thank you for not only having me, and let me say first of all, as one of our representatives here of the local UFO community in Phoenix, I want to acknowledge the work that you're doing, Alejandro and and Open Mind are doing to promote research in the UFO field and to welcome you guys the Phoenix
and we are particularly excited everybody that's an organization is bringing the International UFO Congress to the old Leblo. So so thank you for being there, buddy and all that you do. Well. Thanks for the compliment. I'm loving it here and I plan on sticking around for a while. Buy the house, forginness sakes. Oh you're gonna be here. Oh wow, we're happy. We're happy about that. I just a little bit of mentioned about my background
with the Native American perspective. As you know, as many as as your audience members may or may not know, Alejandro, the contact with ets that have been occurring over one hundreds and thousands of years, from the grasslands to of Africa to the bad Men of South Dakota, and the native peoples have interacted uh and commune with aliens from another world, and through their ceremonies they've
danced and ritualized their relationships with these things from other galaxies. In the North American tribes they were known as are the Wanley or the or the bird tribe, the the Chippewa Indians talk of the dijenguins or the flying boats, which are reminiscent of the the solar boats of the Egyptian, Franciscan Navajos and the Pains, and the Hope's televe of the Golden strangers from the skies in flying
canoes armed with their terrifying electrical rays. So there there's plenty of of you know, given given a bad experience for time, native people that have been dealing with the ET phenomenon certainly much longer than our minor contemporary society has. I think it only makes sense that we look to native cultures as a as a compass to guide us through the complexities you know, of the UFO feelings, and that's really been my focus of my work. Well, I think
that makes a lot of sense. I mean, when you research this field, you hear a lot about even when you look into alleged Air Force research, or if you look into not so alleged, such as the physics manual that they used to teach at the Air Force Academy, which included a chapter on UFOs and it talked about how, most likely we've been visited for thousands
of years. If that's the case, it would make sense that native cultures might have a lot more information if they've had have a track record of communicating with different beings out in any discussion about Native tribal perspectives on extraterrestrials, you know, one as to talk about prophecy, let me say as an introduction to that that an important aspect of Native culture is not only here, but from around the world, are its prophecies that have been handed down by words
now for hundreds of thousands of years. These prophecies, along with their spiritual and religious implications, also serve Vallejandro culturally as a means to ensure the future survival of the tribe, and what the elders of the many tribes are beginning to see are signs that the fulfillment of these prophecies are at hand, many of which have to do with the environmental and spiritual state of our planet, as well as knowledge of and the returning of the star nations or star elders,
which is the term you know, many tribes used to describe extra traustials, you know. And because of these signs, many of the tribal elders have felt it was time to go outside to try to talk about the prophecy, to reveal some of the long held tribal secrets regarding ets, as the fulfillment of these popsys have planetary implications. They will effect all who live on planet Earth. And if I may let me say that, why, I
think it's important to listen to what these native people have to say. In order to do so, I believe we need to look as a society how we get our information about anything, and it's usually through the news, which you know, more or less is under some sort of governmental control, as well as from our educational and religious institutions, all of which historically has shown
to have some sort of agenda for the control of the masses. Now, on the other hand, native prophecies and viewpoints about the world has been handed down for one hundreds and thousand years by word of mouth with only one agenda,
and that is to ensure the surveiment of the tribe. So in essence, there's no metal man like our governmental official or corporation with an agenda to twist information or to stay manipulate the thinking, or to hide something from me, which had did a lot of hiding from us a lot of information. So information gleaned from Native prophecy is information. It's pure state coming to directly from my ancestors. So it's information for the people, not the power structures.
So that's wildly They're very important. Yeah, you know, one thing I always found was interesting because I have I'm from the San Luis Valley, which is full of Mexicans Native Americans, like we say there, you know, we didn't cross the border. The border crossed us. And you know, it always hit me and I think that's why I had a tendency to be more open minded, is that, you know, when it came to Native people and others, when you talk about some of these mysteries. It
was like, oh interesting and open mind. You know I heard this story, I heard that story, or this is part of my culture. And it was, you know, a very open type of listening and respecting the person who tells you. Whereas and the other side in the western kind of contemporary culture, there's it's highly emotionally charged. You can't say you saw a
UFO about sometimes people getting upset or getting very emotional and often disrespectful. And I always thought, wow, you know that just didn't feel comfortable to me. Right, yes, yes, and you know I think that you know, things are things are changing more now people. Uh, it used to be you're crazy to believe in UFOs, and now it's you're almost crazy if you don't believe there's life on other planets, right right? Oh yeah.
Have you heard of Rainbow Eagle. He is someone who has learned some some things from the elders in the Southeastern area, and he is a Choctaw and he does some talks that are similar to what you're talking about. He says something similar to what you're saying, that they feel that now it's time to share and that you know, it's been a very difficult time of course, since the you know, the Western world has come to this land and change
things. But now it's time for the natives to be able to infuse themselves in to create this space that we can all share it to go into the future. And you know what, one of the things along with what he was speaking through is the fact that it's one of one of our challenges, one of our many challenges as researchers, contemporary researchers in the UFO field,
is to convince people that this is a serious phenomenon. And one of the reasons why I like to refer back to some of the native prophets is that they're coming true and you can track those those prophecies and see that and and once you do that, it all leads up to the revealing of the Star Nation culture's visiting here. And and that to me is the quote to as much proof is as I need, because I trust my ancestors, and I trust the eldest because they don't have an agenda to try and nephulate me.
And one of the great and certainly one of the most active propheties is from the Hoping Nation. And as you trust the prophecy well, let me put you on hold there for a second on that. Sure, let's talk about that prophecy because I know it's very in depth and it's great. Step. When we get back from this break, we're talking to a follow about Native Americans and our star brothers. Come on back. This is Open Minds Radio
here again, your host, UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. All right, we're back, and I'm excited that we are because I love talking about this subject. We are talking to Apollo about Native American legends of UFOs and ets and our space brothers, and he was getting into one of the best ones, some of the Hopey prophecies. So if you could continue,
sir, you bet. I think that as we as we explore the prophecies and begin to see that they're coming true, the elders are seeing the signs of the fulfill of the prophecies and which is leading to contact with the star nations, and they kind of follow along that track. I wanted to kind of review a little bit about the hope prophecies and to indeed see that they
that they are valid. One of the things they predicted was the coming of the Spanish conquistadors with their armor as humans coming to them as turtles across the land. Uh they would there would be top web built around the earth, and people would talk across this top web. And when this would happen, the earth a shape that was the advent of the telephone and the start of
World War two. Gords of ashes will fall from the air. It will make people like blades of grass and the prairie fire, and things will not grow from any seasons, which of course was the atomic bomb. Human beings are going to find the blueprint that makes us. They're going to cut this
blueprint. This, of course is the discovery in splicing of DNA. Now, these prophecies date about fifty thousand years wow and exactly, and there are many more prophecies Holandro, but the most important being that there will be a third grade shaking, world War one world War II being the first two of the great shaking, and that the third shaking will be worse than the first two. And the prophecy states that humans living in these times will experience things
no humans has ever experienced before. And it is in these times that the return of the star nations is predicted. Because the hope. These do speak of a cushioning process, whereby if we can get our act together as a planet, these changes can be softer and more gradual rather than cataclysmic in nature. And their feeling is is that the star nations are returning to assist us
in this very endeavor. And one of the things that really exciting things that are happening in this Indian nation these days has been the birth of a female white buffalo cast which to many tribes is like the return of Jesus okay In in their beliefs. And this indeed that when this would happen, major events would begin to happen on the planet, and indeed it was born in nineteen
ninety six and with them the first to be born for generations. This event subsequently led elders of some tribes to come out and speak openly about the et
situation from a tribal standpoint. And until then, the older councils of the various tribes from North America were always forbidding their members and any Letican people to share their knowledge of sacred spiritual matters and records of centuries of contact with outer space civilizations like Chad just asked, why are they why were they so secretive? Well, uh, this assistant part of the traditions of you know, when when the when the white men came over from Europe, they weren't very
nice. I mean, you know, that is just how it was. And you know a lot of the teachings were held back because they knew they would be probably killed for them. Okay. Just the culture even more destroyed because of them. So you know, but even today, if you talk about UFO, okay, you could be considered crazy. So these were these were one of the many reasons. And because it's just their their traditional ways,
they don't speak about those things. Yeah, there were fact go ahead, just in fact, many traditionalists are all are all from are against these comings. Elvis coming out even now it's talking about it, so it's still controversial among the thought. Interesting. Yeah, one way I had heard it explained was, you know, when the white men came over, they said, well, so we were talking to the starpeople, and and the white man was like, the star people, who are you talking about? And
they thought, oh, you don't talk to them. I better hush up about that, because they must not be talking to you for some reason. Yeah, you know very good example, well, you know until we're of nineteen ninety five when standing Elk who was that the CODA who is at the Code of Spiritual Advisor and Sun Dance chiefs were instructed in a vision to organize the first Star Knowledge Conference. I know you're familiar with those others. And
then first wasn't on. The suit was in South Dakota in nineteen ninety six, and the vision showed that Native American His vision showed that Native American spiritual knowledge about the Star nation of course, which are the extraterrestrials, were to be shared with the world. And the first conference was the firstallment of ancient
Hopey and the Code of Prophecies that this would indeed happen. Now some of the information that is being released to the conferences and through meetings and if my own interaction with from the Native people, one of the things that fascinating things we're finding out how to mission a few of these things, and about me anytime, it is little known, but all tribes from Turtle Island, which is what they call North America, the North American consonants that's kept secret records
up the visit and get this build it during the first century of a white man they call a Kia, who they said came from the planet Venus, who taught them how to pray and how they conduct them. This is something that's been with help and all had recently been exposed, all the tracks that had been aligned with these star nations, some of them visited by the same star people. A lot of them have origination stories that go back to isn't
the Navajo they believe they're from uh Pladians Plats. Yeah, yes, yes. It's also Leandro little known that when the white man tried to stop Native people from practicing the rituals, you know, their ceremonies, it was not just to systematically destroy their cultures, which of course they did, but to ensure that the practice of contacting ets by grassroots population would sea and shift. And yeah, I'll tell them it was all these Native Americans that were doing
it ocause now more of your teams are getting involved in it. But back in those days, it was just a Native Americans. So even back in that and like those times in like the eighteen hundreds and stuff, Yeah, they were suppressing that particular Oh yes, aspect. I mean, there's an agenda agendas behind agenda you see, that's he's a shallow government. You know what you talked about with the hope third World war and stuff, which is
kind of scary. And I hope, you know, I get to catch a right on one of these things to zip on out of here of person ysha. I'm hoping, and you know you may have some actually some insight into this is uh Now, I live over by the Australa Mountains, and I hear that that's kind of an important place, yes, in fact, that they will of course Australia. Me start, Yeah, that's so, I'm hoping that's where I'll be able to catch my rag. Yeah, you're
well, I'm up here in the small peak area. There's folks be a base on any here too, so but then I hope we can get to rise ourselves. But you know, I don't want to instill a lot of fear in people about about these Earth changes. I think that as a planet we are we are improving another different seeing that way too many, but I
believe that we are. And as I mentioned before, the Hobies do speak of a of a chrishioning process where we can slow the the the the Earth changes to be more gradual rather than a cateclysmic and I believe that we're doing that and we're seeing it earth releasing pressure now with the earthquakes. It's not cataclysmic yet, it's just sort of just letting off steam, and we're hoping
that we can make this transition smoother. Mm. Well, there's a little great stories coming out of some of the conferences, of some of the great quotes that that your audience might might be interested in. Yeah. For instance, that looks for buffalo from the oc nation. These are all elders that
are coming out and speaking about their tribal secrets. This over law medicine person looks for buffalo, says this the avatar Jesus Buddha, the white buffalo calf woman, which is their equivalent our star being in that each Native American tribe has its et race of origination counterpart the star beings will return at the time of earth changes, at the first sign that floods, fires at airquit And what do we have in Alejandro, this huge fire in Russia, I mean
Moscow is completely covered in smoke. Wow. Paula Underwood of the Iroquois Nation, an Iroquois or all tradition told of an et telepathic message that she revealed which said like this, we are coming. Wow, the telepathic message. There's a music al so we'll continue this when we get back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. We'll be back in a minute. Welcome back to open Minds Radio. Here now former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network,
your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, we are back. Thank you so much, Paulo for coming on the show. You definitely got a lot of information. So you when I had to cut you off. You're talking about an Iroquois prophecy, yeah, and it's an oil tradition and it speaks of a et telepraphic message that was received by one of the medicine people in the tribe and it goes like this, we are coming. The Iroquois elders responded, Dolf, come, we are not prepared to
start being replied. Prepare yourselves. So they're basically saying, is get ready because this rocket is launching and you can see that now. Uh In In contemporary times, one of the in the Blackfoot traditions of the nation, wids and and Goup says this, and elder Indians consider themselves privileged to have a regular business from start being during ceremonies, and the considered these events as faked
it. And there was a story that came out of one of the Star Knowledge conferences of healing healing, of healing taking place in a TP on the reds and the medicine person was working with with the with the patients when blue lights were shining outside the TP and then floated a gray on the gray looking state of ridiculous, who then took an instrument and pointed it and waved it over the patients and then floated out and back in the ship and left.
So these are the type of stories now that are coming out. And and just like we were asking earlier why they held back the secrets, because they knew very well and their et contacts told them that there are rogue ets that are backing shadow government that do not want the common people to be in touch with extraterrestrial and develop their own relationships with them, because then they would lose
power and control. Right, And it's it's been the privilege of the native cultures throughout the world to hold this information until the common man human uh, Earth human beings were ready and we're ready to act on it. And I really believe, as the elders do, that we are, in fact we must. Uh. There's another elder by the name of actually a former NASA engineer contact engineer Blacks and a Blackfoot nation right skin door. He said, we are getting word of the ETS coming now. He emphasizes, and he
has been said he's been taking aboard UF both several times. But this is an engineer, okay, including one during a vision quest. So a lot of ET contacts. This is, this is everyday kind of experienced this for any of these tribes on the rest. Well, we know, you know, I'm looking at you know, it's just looking at the move On report six hundred and sixty three sightings in just the last month. I mean,
there's a lot of activity going on. And it's kind of funny that you talked about how they said, no, don't come, we're not ready. I have a buddy who's real into this stuff, and we were talking about it, and he said, well, what if I'm not ready for what if I'm happy the way it is. You know, I got a good job, I got my kids. That he loves and his wife and his little house, and he's cool with the way things are. And it's just kind of like, well, you know, changes, changes, the only
thing that you can count on, that's it. And I think our hand is being forced here. I think the elders recognize that that it's time for humanity to grow up. The Hopies have said, we're we're exiting the cycle of the animal and now we're moving to the cycle of the human. And what they mean by that is that the human being is now discovering itself to be more than terrestrial being, that it has connection to the stars, and that it's much much more. And because of the environment and the shape of
our planet. This is these are issues that are forcing us to evolve, right or are or not exists at all. I mean, it's it's come down to that. Don't you think that's why Jason and I are vegetarians. We've begun in our evolution, right, No, we're eating animals. Well, here, the big question I'm sure a lot of people are thinking of
is, of course, the correlation with the twenty twelve Mayan prophecies. Yeah, yes, well the Mayans are all right in line with the Hope right in line with the Lakotas, right in line with the Australians, right in line with the Scandinavians, The European cultures, the tribal cultures, all of them are are are looking towards this, this kipping point. And many people
have different viewpoints of what twenty twelve is. I personally think that if the transition of consciousness where we put our attention to focus on more harmonious type relationships rather than competitive ones, but more importantly in terms of dealing with the real, everyday world. Many believe that twenty twelve is the point of extreme darkness, where you know, the powers that be are clamping down with more control.
We can we we we certainly can see that, uh in in in our society with cameras being everywhere and and and you know, and and and the light and that it's it's gonna tip from this point of of of dicity and and then and then and then have a breakthrough where we must change and two thousands it's got it's kind of a wake up call, you know. I don't think that the polls are gonna shift on the day of twenty twelve. I really believe that those of us who want to live in the world
of peace and Harry among all races, this really is our day. That the shadow government and the Et force, this is native beliefs that there the ets behind the shadow government. They're making their their their final moves, their final act that get control, and they're there. They're forces that drink, urging and actually corrpting on themselves. See, I have a more positive perspective
like you. In fact, someone in the chat put it really well, the powers that think they be, because I think all of that is kind of a yeah, that's really cool. It's really kind of an illusion in that, you know, I am of the belief that we we liberate ourselves and I always kind of think and it helps me as a personal kind of practice to align myself. What if twenty twelve comes and all of a sudden
we can all read each other's mindset, there's no more lying. I mean, that would be a very difficult thing, of course, for everyone, even me, because I'm sure some of the pretty girls I see won't appreciate, you know, the dots that I have. But fib So I'm gonna have to control myself well that way think you brought that up. You know. It's it's said that one of the reasons why the mind Calendar is ending at twenty twelve because they don't really know what the human being is going to
turn into. Understand that the mind calendar is not just about a bunch of days. And I'm sure you understand this. It's what it is. It trusts evolution, use evolutionary trendsit cycles, okay, and so it's been tracking our evolution. But at twenty twelve, it's like, we don't know where it's going to go next. Because the only to describe it, I know, this is kind of like a spiritual cliches, you know, but it's like we didn't A caterpillar could never dream that it's going to turn into a
butterfly. I mean, it's it really comes down to that we are mutating. Our DNA is mutinating, and plenty of evidence of that as well. So we're changing into something that that it's new territory, and the Mayans knew that, and so did the elders. I love that that analogy. I haven't heard that because I can just think of, you know, some caterpillar not feeling good and I'm you know, trying to tell it. Hey, there's going to be better days. You may feel frumpy and big, and
you're going to turn into this beautiful butterfly and it's taking you. Luke. Some so oberweight they can barely move exactly. And most humans have best perspective or perception of the cells in our planet. We just think we're a bunch of losers. If we can't get along with each other, we can't accept person of a different color, how are we going to accept star cultures? But we're gonna have to, I mean, and in fact, it is changing. You know. The news just doesn't report it. You know,
things are not as bad as they used to be. And you can look back in history and it's like it's getting better. You know. It's just that it's slow and and and and the violence and they hate it still gets a lot of press. But things are changing and I feel very very positive about it. And I wanted to make sure Olie Handros, you know, I have a local community UFO groups. O. Yes, talk about that
because we're out of time. Yeah, yeah, I want. I want to make sure people are aware of that who are interested in running more about UFOs. Our group is called UFOs Aliens and extraterrestrials, preparation for contacts and as a group, we're dedicated to providing you know, the most comprehensious up to day or we're running out and you can find that on meetup on UFOs right meetup dot com UFOs. It was an extra crescial. We're have business
Bust on author twenty nine from one to four. There's a quest books for come join us. All right, thank you so much for being on the show. Had a lot to talk about. We're definitely going to have to have you on again when we have our longer show. Thank you very much, Thank you, talk to you soon. Thank you. See next week we've got a great show, doctor Joseph Farrell. A lot of people have
been asking me to have this guy on. He talks about Nazi UFOs and the Nazi secret weapons and possibly he even has a theory that Roswell was possibly some sort of Nazi secret something or rather. So we're gonna talk to him about that. We'll talk to him about the Bell and they sat to be really interesting. And then our first show in a few weeks, that is the longer version. We're gonna have major Filer. A lot of you get
filer files. We're gonna have him on to talk about his experiences, which are pretty dang incredible at McGuire air Force Base and other places, so check it out. We've got some good shows coming up. Look for Openminds dot tv for more information on future guests and everything else we got up our sleeves