John Ventre, UFOs over Pennsylvania

Welcome to UFO linketan Crazier with your host Alejandrol Rohan. Hello, my friend, Hello, my friend. Hello, it is Early Han Noo. It's wonderful to be speaking with you all again. It's been a couple of weeks. I was not here last weekend. You are aware of that because there was no show, and you probably thought that your new iPhone five was broken

because all the bi cast weren't downloading, But that's not the case. It was I but it wasn't out of evilness that I was not here last week In fact, it was a very good thing for me and and for you because I was actually, among other things, I was in Vegas last weekend. My friends, Yes, this is where I was, and I was

there to cover that special panel of UFO peeps. So we're going to talk about that, and possibly you've seen the stories on the Huffington Post and then the last Vegas son I think it's called, and they posted my pictures because I took the pictures and of these guys, so that's cool. Huh Yeah, score for me. Then I'm happy about that. And we'll talk about the story about that event a little later on in the show. During the news section. However, I want to tell you about tonight's guest. Tonight's

guest is John Ventury. He is the Pennsylvania State move On Director. So he's a busy guy out there in Pennsylvania, and he has just retired, and he isn't just like you know, sitting on the couch watching Judge Judy for his retirement. He is actually out moving and shaking, writing books, running conferences, all kinds of stuff. And in particular, we're going to talk to him about the conferences he's got going on. In fact, there's a weird echo going on. I don't know if you can hear that or

not. Hopefully now hopefully it sounds good for you. But in fact, he just ran a conference that just ended last night, and I interviewed him Thursday, the day before this conference in Philadelphia that he just did this past weekend, just yesterday, and he's got one going on this weekend as well. No that this weekend, and a couple of weekends from now twelfth through the thirteenth. I'm pretty sure it is in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, it's what

they call it out there. I know I worked with some of those Pittsburgians, and they have some weird things that they say and do out there. But regardless of how weird Pennsylvanians are, they're really cool because they go to these conferences that John puts on. And we'll be talking about those conferences and why he started them, because he actually started them because and this all rolls

into the book and everything. He started them because of a big signing a few years ago that happened over a mall, started over a mall mass sighting, So we'll talk about that. That inspired an episode of UFOs over Earth, if you remember, I used to talk about that because that was the move on television show that I get to be somewhat involved with. That was a few years ago. They only filmed three episodes. They tried to put us against the football Monday night Football. They figured, Hey, we want

to get the audience. Our audience is older males, that's who usually watched the UFO shows. We want to entice them from watching football, So let's run a UFO show against the NFL Monday night football because we also we want that audience. Yeah. Well, I guess thank you for having so much baith that these interesting move on cases could pool those people. But yeah,

it didn't happen. Surprise, surprise. So the ratings weren't that good and it was quite frankly, and I'm sure some of you are thinking that you it was a dumb idea, really bad idea. Who are the geniuses who came up with this one? But you know, Bob White, the guy who produced it, he did a great job. Certainly wasn't his fault,

and I think the show turned out good. And actually, and we'll talk to John John says that they still run the program once in a while on I believe it's the History Channel that was running that one, and so people will call them and say, hey, I just sew you on TV. And so luckily they're still running those episodes because those were really cool shows. I think they were much better than some recent UFO shows, if you catch my drift. But yeah, so that was who we've got coming on later

on the show. And then now I am excited. Oh by the way, yeah, I didn't finish because he The episode in Pennsylvania of the UFOs over Earth was called UFOs over Pennsylvania. They covered a couple of cases that we'll talk about, including mass signing and so John then figures I'm gonna write a book and he does, and he calls it UFOs over Pennsylvania about some of the great move on cases he's worked on and some of what's gone on there. I also talked to him, because you may remember, and we

did talk about this. He was on Anderson Cooper not too long ago to talk about UFOs and Anderson Cooper did come off that great. And we're gonna get John's side of this story here, and I think you're gonna find it interesting. I certainly did. But yeah, so that's our guest. Cool huh. I thought so too. So let's get into the news. And I'm excited because I told you how I was gonna go find some news theme

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He creates music. I've used. Actually, some of my theme music in the past has been from him or some of the YouTube videos I've done, and a lot of people actually have used his music because he offers that he does his cool music and he lets people use it for free. Isn't that cool of him? He is cool. That's fun though, hotphone news, so this is our UFO news and I'm just so excited about the music that i can't get into the news. We gotta do this though, in

the Lovely UK. Speaking of the Lovely UK, I did want to mention Tracy Austin, who we had a last on the show, a Lovely UK import. She now lives out here. I got to see her in Las Vegas, so that was a lot of fun because she lives out there and she's just a very pleasant and wonderful UK lady. Speaking of the UK, but they're seeing UFOs in the UK apparently. Now. This first story is

regarding what appears to be an identified flying object. But a lot of people were calling about some UFOs in the sky and they were seeing some flares on tipt jeff So, Secember twenty third, they were seeing weird stuff in the sky looked like maybe a meteor shower, but some debris or something, and that's what it turns out that they believe it was some debris from a spacecraft or a satellite. They're really not sure that was coming through in the sky.

And they got a cool little light show out there in the UK on the twenty third, so that was very pleasant for them. That would be neat to see. Actually, I have seen something like that. Maybe you have too. I keep well, I'm out in the night. I'm a night guy. I love the night. I am not a vampire because I'm actually like a good guy. I guess there are some good vampires, but not really because they have to suck blood. I personally don't think that's cool.

I'm a vegetarian on top of it all. So but I'm like some sort of maybe I am sort of sort of mutated monster paranormal being that could be. I don't know, because I really enjoy the night and I like being out there in the darkness that night. I love the calmness. And I am a night being, a night vegetarian, mammal type creature. And so I look up at the sky because I'm looking for UFOs, which I rarely see. But I do see satellites and shooting stars, and I have

seen some incredible meteorites that break up in the sky and stuff. So these guys got a really cool show like that. However, on the same day, actually the day before the Sun the Irish Sun reports that UFO floats over pregnant mum, mum being the word for mom in England. Me mom, that's me mum. That's kind of how they say it. Not really, but you can try to do your own accent there. Okay, I know

I'm not good, Leave me alone. So this is an interesting picture because it shows a pregnant mum and she's standing there and above her is kind of a cute. They call it a what do they call it? The guy from Toy Story Captain space Dude kind of looks like, oh man, what did they say? Sorry, buzz light year, there we go. It kind of looks like a glowing buzz light your floating above this lady. It's probably a moth, but a cotton flash or some sort of bud cotton flash.

But it looks pretty strange and so people thought it was weird. The Sun decided that they would post it and that's exciting. Yay. Thanks UK other UK news. Oh my gosh, I'm not a big fan of this story. I'm gonna be honest with you. This is my good buddy Lee Spiegel. We had on the show, and I'm always like, oh, he's so great, he's so great, and then he does his crap story. No I'm kidding. I mean he felt it was good and he thought

it was just interesting that this lord Martin Rees an astronomer calls. He didn't say only see and I totally I don't necessarily agree with the title. It says only kooks see UFO UFOs. He didn't say that. The actual quote is that he doesn't give any of them credence, and he says something like, you know, kukes, here we go. They wouldn't if there were really UFOs coming from so far. Et is coming from so far, they

wouldn't just meet a few well known cranks. So you know, he didn't call everybody who saw a UFO a cook, but he says, you know, some of these people that are reporting that they're meeting aliens are cranks, well known cranks. I think so too that some of these guys are cranks. But I also think, and if I had one of these guys that I thought was a crank on my show. You wouldn't know because I'm going to be nice to him and I'm going to listen to him, and I'm

not going to tell you I think they're a crank. And you may be thinking, who does he think is a crank? Come on, fest up robots. I'm not going to tell you because I don't want to talk about about people. But you know, there's a few, but there's also real deal stuff out there. There are people having experiences, certainly people believing they're having experiences, and especially people seeing UFOs. Come on, you can't call

them all cooks. You know. We'll talk about this later, but the sport of this panel of military people that were in Las Vegas recently certainly are not all cooks. I'm not a kook. I've seen a UFO and I'll bet you if you pin this guy down. You know, have you ever seen anything you can't identify? Yeah, well then you're a kook. You know, that was kind of a blanket statement. So I don't know that he's saying everybody's a cook, but still, you know, an astronomer,

old grouchy guy saying he doesn't believe in UFOs. Big whoo, how's that news. There's a bunch of these grouchy old astronomer guys, and you know, I'm not too interested in what they have to say. However, there was another blogger on the Huffington Post. His name is Dan Mack and he actually made a response to the story and I loved his response. It's long, but and I think Lee's going to do a follow up because I told him about this stuff too, and we've talked about it on this show.

Is that there are astronomers who do believe in UFOs, because Lord Reef was saying, oh, if there was a real deal, you know, astronomers are always looking at the sky, they would be reporting UFOs. And funny enough, James mcgaha, big debunker. Lee did quote him in the story also who he doesn't believe in you. He's a really bad debunker. You know, he comes up with really silly things to explain away some of these

really interesting sightings. However, he did say that most astronomers aren't looking in the sky. He says most astronomy he says, he's a rare astronomer that actually is looking up in the sky with telescopes, but most astronomers are looking

at data. They're looking at computer screens, they're looking at data. We've talked about the Wow signal, which of course was like ones and zeros on a form with some letters and stuff and some cryptic looking goobly gook was circled and Wow was written next to it, and supposedly that was something interesting that the astronomers noted and it's just like code and stuff and what the heck is

that? Nothing to do with stars? And he actually made the point that no astronomers are actually not mostly looking at the stars, So isn't that interesting? I think? But anyways, this Dan Mack did a story about all of the astronomers, many astronomers who have seen UFOs, and he included some tables and data, and I think he did a good job with that. So I tweeted that and I'm telling you about it now, and it's on the Huffington Post Weird News page, along with speaking of mums, We've got

bums. In Brazil, they had a pageant for the best booty essentially, and so it's awfully distracting because you go to the Weird News and there's these pictures of these bikini babes in their booties, which they of course are some of the best booties in Brazil. I'm sure Brazil's got some of the best star are out there. But I had to mention it because it's distracting me right now while I'm looking at Dan Mack's story other stories. Are we the

extraterrestrials? Are you and I in fact the extraterrestrials? I think some of you have thought about that question, and I think some of you believe that perhaps your neighbor, or someone you live with, or someone a family member is an extraterrestrial. Well, there are scientists that may agree with you. In fact, they think that perhaps life was seated here. And we've talked about this. This isn't really anything new, It's just some scientists have been

talking about it, lady lately. Is that perhaps you know an asteroid or meteorite that was broken off from another planet with some microbes on it, came and landed here on the Earth and life was created. In fact, we spoke with a scientist a few weeks ago on this very show about those theories like wouldn't be interesting because he was saying, there is no evidence that life was created on this planet. We've got no evidence that, you know,

the initial microbes just like spontaneously appeared here. And his argument was, we haven't seen it over and over again. If it's like a flower that blooms boop, you know, and these things are created here, why wouldn't it happen all the time? Punk funk microbe, microbe, you know, all these different microbes. That's my microbes. And he's got a really good point

there, I think. So maybe there are like these planets that are incubators for the life, and that they're seeded here by asteroids that come floating around kind of like you know, the plants and stuff that travel across the ocean and seed life on other islands and stuff like that. So interesting thoughts. What's really kind of interesting is it shows the ignorance I'm sorry of these reporters, because some of these reporters are like, oh, well this is new,

No, this isn't new. This transpermeon. Stuff like this has been talked about for many, many eons, well before I was born. And I'm a very young man, actually I'm getting pretty old. But one of the news sources, and I can remember which said Zany. Scientists scientists are actually agreeing with or giving creedence to scientists zany ideas about extraterrestrials. And they're talking and he was just talking about this this transfermia where the and it was

like, dude, this isn't wacky, this is decades old. Come on, what were you doing in science class picking your nose. Here's another interesting story. Scientists discover iron man found by Nazis is of extra terrestrial origin. DN The title sounds more exciting than it is. Actually, I think it's an exciting situation. However, it's not what it appears to be. They did find the Nazis a old iron carving, and the iron carving turned out

to be extraterrestrial. However, what it was is a meteorite. So some ancient people's found a meteorite. And you've probably seen these things, and they're heavy and they're really thick, and they carved this statue out of the meteorite. So pretty interesting. But that's why they're saying it's an extraterrestrial statue. It doesn't mean ets carved the thing. It's just that they carved it out

of an extraterrestrial rock. So speaking, of these credible people. And speaking of Lee Spiegel, I got to hang with Lee Spiegel and some of my other buddies in Las Vegas last weekend. Who is there, Ben Hansen, Ben McGee, let's see speaking of some of the TV shows that are not too good, Maureen and Jason, you guys remember them, huh? These

guys are awesome. Tom and Antonio and all the open Minds guys, Mike and John, we're all there, George Knapp, my good home boy, Tracy Austin, like I was talking about Alan Palmer who runs this museum where they had this talk. And of course some of the speakers John, Alexander, Nick Pope, Colonel Holt, these are all my friends. So it was awesome to see these guys last weekend. As there was this panel that was held by the National Atomic Testing Museum, and this panel was quite historic

in my own humble opinion. They had Bob Friend who used to run blue Book for a few years. Coleman Robert Coleman where his first name is and he was a press person for Project blue Book. Then of course you had Colonel Holt, who was the base commander at Rendel from Air Force based However, he was deputy based commander when this incredible sighting happened in nineteen eighty where

he even saw this object that beamed a light. There was Nick Bob from the Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Defense, and John Alexander, several of these people we've had on the show, and it was moderated by Alan Palmer, the head of the museum, the curator for the museum. There, cool guy, he was just awesome the panel. There were no secrets revealed. Really, I mean, this is stuff that you and I have heard from the general public. I think they would be pretty interested. The two

Blue Book people are skeptical. They say they genuinely did try to investigate UFOs and never came across a case that they thought proved anything of extra treastural origin or that were that mysterious. But they both have interesting backstories. So Bob Friend, who ran Blue Book, had said he still though, believes that this is a real phenomena that needs to be investigated by science, and he reiterated that at this talk. Now, these guys are like in their nineties,

Holy moly. That's why it's historic, because these guys haven't come out and talked like this in a long time. They've been in a couple of television shows, but nothing like this, and they might not be around too much longer. But friend went on to say, and he told us about how they really sent photos to labs, they sent film to labs, they sent materials they received to labs. They did their best to try to figure out what was going on and to prove that something mysterious was going on.

And he just says they never came across anything. But he's all four and he does believe there should be scientific investigations, So that's cool, right. Coleman is a little more skeptic. He's like, look, e teas are too far this whole sety thing. If they're going to you know, dude, there's no way they can get here from their type of jet. However, giant however, here he had his own lip in crazy UFO siding where they saw this disc thing cruising across close to the deck as they call it,

you know, the pilots close to the ground. They flew in there, playing behind this thing and followed it. It was whipping up a trail from the ground. It was that close. Zoomed and flew off at amazing speeds to this day, he doesn't know what the heck that was that he saw, So how interesting is that a blue book guy who's skeptical, doesn't think we've just you know, shown anything, but he has this incredible sighting. And he recounted this sighting at this talk and he said, I don't

know what that was, so how cool is that? And then of course Colonel Halt came up. We've talked to him before and he stated, you know, he stated unequivocally, and this is a little bit new for him, actually, he said there he believes there definitely is some organization within the

military that investigates and knows all about this UFO stuff. He's adamant there has to be who collected this information, who's been collecting all the information from all of these great sightings such as well, you know, there's just like Gordon Cooper who had the film of the UFO the Astronaut and that film was taken away. Who took that away? All of these other instances where this film

was taken away, Who's taken this away? Where is it going? Somebody's got to be collecting at somebody's got at And that's pretty bold for him. To say that, because he's always kind of said that behind the scenes but never come out and said there has to be some sort of organization. The

military must be still investigating UFOs, So that was kind of cool. Nick Bope came out, and this is something that he really hasn't talked about public too much in that he said, we did in the military for the Ministry of Defense, when I investigated UFOs, we did try to make UFO sound silly. And we also, even though not everybody but he personally thought there was something to it. He said, we also kept tabs on UFO organizations.

We ordered their journals. He says he's snuck into a conference, although he says mostly what they were looking for at least the idea was to see if we were seeing black projects. So were we catching were the UFO people, you know, catching reports of the Aurora or these other possible black projects? Could they gather information about secret technologies that other governments are using by watching reports of UFO sightings. That's what they were doing. But they were spying

on UFO groups. And then John Alexander, he didn't really see anything new. He just said the same that UFOs are real. He looked into it, but he doesn't believe there's an organized group within the military. He essentially, even though he was in the military, says, these guys are boneheads, they're goofballs. They're not organized enough that they're collecting the information. But there's mostly too much of a hot potato. They don't want nothing to do

with it. Look someone else's problem. This is too crazy. I don't want nothing to do with it. So and Lee wrote a couple of stories regarding that, And then there was another UFO incident that's getting some news where these Google pictures are coming up with what really looks like a reflection, some sort of reflection in a lot of these pictures, because the image that is being captured in all of these pictures is exactly the same, and it looks

like some kind of possibly due to the way the camera is made, this kind of lens sware. Who knows, who knows? That's just my suspicion. And then finally, my friends, is the Air Force is spaceplane? Remember we talked about this. It's kind of this oh my gosh, my chill always going crazy over here. Anyways, it's this small, little kind

of space shuttle type of thing. That was up in the air for many, many days, four hundred and sixty nine days it was in orbit, and it's supposed to be secret, but the Air Force is giving out like press pictures and stuff like this. Well, it's taking its third mission and it's a secret mission. So they're saying, hey, we're applying our cool secret space plane, but we're not telling you nothing about it. I mean, why tell us say you're flying it? And why let this go take

pictures and stuff. I don't get what's going on with this. Maybe it's just to get people excited about what they're doing. But at the same time, this thing is eight billion dollars of our tax dollars and they're not telling us why they're flying at or what they're flying at. For the Chinese think that it could be some kind of weapons system. It could be I think, you know, and maybe it's just because I watched ET again since they

released it on Blu ray. Could be full of Reese's pieces, So they're you know, trying to attract aliens ets because you remember ET like Teresa's pieces. If you're too young to have seen ET, you gotta watch it and then you'll know what I'm talking about, because unfortunately, I'm getting that old where the movies that I watched when I was a kid. These younger dudes don't know what the heck I'm talking about, and that's kind of a bummer.

But so who knows what's going on? But yeah, that's like thirty dollars per American, So every American has put thirty dollars into this. And for my thirty dollars, and how I got that number is subtracting eight billion by three hundred million Americans. I think I should get something for my thirty dollars. At least tell me what you're up to. Come on, dude, just don't plant it in my face. I guess I'm getting these pretty pictures regardless of what the Air Force is up to. We've got a great

interview with John Ventury, so let's hear what he's got to say. Okay, I'm very excited to have back on the show John Venturi. Uh, welcome back, John, Thanks for having me on. Hellahundra. Yeah, you've got a lot going on right now. So you have a couple of conferences once starting tomorrow, and then you have a new book. Yeah, you know, I retired three months ago, and I can't believe how busy I am. I'm busier now than when I was working. Yeah, oh

that. I mean, this is a lot of stuff. And I heard you retired and I figured, wow, yeah, you're definitely keeping busy. I know, for instance, when my stepdad are retired, he like couldn't figure out what to do. He started getting bored. And I always thought, you know, i'd be doing like you. I'd be keeping busy. There's all kinds of stuff to do. Yeah. I mean it's actually great

because it's on my own schedule now. But you know a lot of people asked me what are you doing, and I tell, well, you know, I filmed two episodes with Discovery Canada. I was on Anderson Cooper's show. I just published a book. I've got another one that'll be out probably in January. I'm running two conferences and I'm setting up a third one for Eerie PA for May. So I keep pretty busy. Yeah great, I used to go to Erie where worse actually, So let's start with that.

Let's start with Anderson Cooper because I had forgotten about that. But I've I've seen the video, you know, tweeted it and sent it around to people, how was that experience? Well, you know, it was great. You know when I this is going to be a two part answer, because when I filmed the show and everything went great. I mean, you know, Joe Nicol was the skeptic there, and every time Anderson asked Joe a question, then he would say, John, what do you have to say

about that? And I gave some really good answers, you know, so you know, and we had good witnesses, the two girls from Kentucky and the one from the Bucks County you know episode. And so when I left, man was I was on cloud nine saying this was a good show. So then it airs a couple of days later, about four or five days later, and everybody in the Pittsburgh area is watching this thing, along with all of Muffon, because they've sent out a email alerting everyone. And I'm

sitting there and it's like, wait a minute, I said this. I said that, And they just edited about half of my answers out. They left in everything that Joe Nichol said, but then when I gave a good response, they cut it out. And I'll give you a couple of examples. At one point, Joe Nicholl made a comment that the girls had seen Jupiter, and when he said that, the entire audience broke out laughing.

They dubbed out the laughter because I listened to it and you could just hear silence in the background, which means they just dubbed everything out, so they cut the laughter out. There was another point where I made a statement that these three women, you know, showed a lot of courage and integrity to come here and say what they saw even though it's not you know, accepted by the mainstream, and the entire audience applauded for me, so you know,

I thought, wow, that's great. That's gonna be great on TV. They cut it out and they're doing no they cut it out, and there was a couple of other answers that I gave in response to what Joe said, and they cut it out, and you know, it was just incredible, and you know, I was upset. You know, I went from being like on Cloud nine to cloud one after I watched it. I mean, it was a good show, and I think, you know, my friends and family all watched it and said, well, I mean that

was great. You know, you were relaxed and everything went well, and uh, I said, no, it didn't because half of what I said got cut out. And they they absolutely you know, slanted the show to the skeptic. And I could tell you the three women were really upset with you know, Joe not believing anything they said. But that's you know, that's a skeptic. And you know, Joe and I got into it right at the end of the show where I got a little heated with him because

he was picking on the women and not believing them. And you know, I'm pointing my finger out, I'm raising my voice, you know, telling him that, you know, skeptics, you don't look at any of the evidence. All you do is is apply common sense. But you know, sometimes things happen one time, you know, and you can't repeat it. It doesn't happen again. And and that's what it is with these these three witnesses. And but the funny thing was over here in Pittsburgh. You know,

this was a forty minute show on Anderson Cooper. You know, it rang longer than they thought. And right when they got to that last segment, the last five minutes of the show, when Joe Nichol and I are going at it, there's a special news bulletin alert here in Pittsburgh's so nobody that knows it was unbelievable. They caught this guy who held up a armored car. He killed his partner. I don't know if you remember that,

Conaius. He killed his partner and took off with the money, and they finally caught him in Florida or wherever he was, you know, So they cut out the whole end of the show for this special news bullooking, so nobody around here got to see the end when I got into it with Joe. But you know, the funny thing, though, was there were thirteen pages of comments on the Anderson Cooper website regarding the show and the way that they viewed the witnesses being treated. And you know, he also sprung a

psychic medium on. You know, at the last minute. When I got there, he told me they were going to put the psychic medium up and could you support her? And I said, I'm not supporting. You got three witnesses, myself and a skeptic. I said, that's all you need for your show. You got plenty here. We don't need to introduce a psychic medium. Now. I know they used them in police cases, and

some of them probably have ability. But you know, when you saw the show and what this woman said that Anderson Cooper was from Limoria, I mean, it just it became stupid at that point, you know. So so that so that show went from being great to being eh, okay. But here's the thing that happened though. You know, I called the producer twice and had some conversations with him, and I told him, take a look at your website. You got more hits on this show than any other show

you've ever done. And you know, a lot of it had to be the way you slighted the show, you know, in favor of the skeptic and you know, and nobody but you and I know what you cut out of the show, which which turned it completely around. But you know that's what the media does. That was NBC. And you know, so after the show airs, I say to myself, well, well wait a minute, this aired on NBC here in Pittsburgh. Oh I remember Trayvon Martin and

Zimmerman. NBC remember how they edited the nine to one one call to turn it around into a racist situation when that wasn't what the call was, but they made it be that way. So I said, well, I guess that's what NBC does. Wow. And you know what, I know, there's no doubt because he's a producer, Anderson Cooper I'm sure had a lot to do with it also because I mean, he's a skeptic and he's a

good guy, but he you know, he's a skeptic. He's always kind of the only couple of times he's talked about this issue, been very skeptic and uh, and of course during the show he was and yeah, big applause whenever he made a joke or he said something. And then at the end, you know, he says, I don't really believe this kind of even setting up the audience. So then when he took the raise of hands, you know, not many of the audience raise their hands. Yeah,

that was unfortunate, and I felt bad for you. You. I mean, you stood your ground, you did a great job, but you were kind of the only like investigator. A lot of these others, you know, had a lot of except for your witness for the bugs County siding, we're really kind of on the fringe. And he was dealing with many different issues and muddling it all together, and it wasn't really a fair shake.

Yeah, no, I agree, but you know what came out of it though, And I don't know if it was the all of the comments that were on the website. That show aired in April, I think June first, they left for the summer and they came back September first with the show. The show was live now, so you know, it went from being

a tape show to a live show. And you were one of the last four or five segments that he had, you know, and you know, so I don't know if that was because all of our complaints about the editing and you know. And I called the producer up and I said, hey, now put me back on live, you know, because he really liked what I did on the show. And he even said to me, you know, you did great, and you you know, you stood your grounds and you you know, you fought for your side, and he said,

this is great. So I said, good, Now put me back on live, you know, and and bring Joe back if you want, just Joe and I and we'll have the debate on whether the UFOs are real, you know, so we'll see what happens. Yeah, Joe nichol is frustrating. He's one of those debunkers. Debunkers, And what's really frustrating with him is even in his title, it's just a lie. It's not true. And he's supposed to be some investigator. He says he's the only full time

paranormal investigator. Yeah wrong. You know, there are plenty of people who have done that. I've done that for a period of time, paid full time. You pretty much do that. Now you're a full time paranormal and you know there are many many others over the years, and he's always said the only full time paranormal investigator. Yeah. Well, you know what, I found out something else about these guys. You know, they come on saying that they're skeptics, and everybody says, oh, okay, so that

makes them like smart and they look things up and all that. But here's something else. And I just came across this. I don't know where these guys belong to. A society be called the Society of Skeptics, agnostics, and atheists. Okay, so that means they don't believe in God, they don't believe in anything. So I guarantee you the next time I'm on the show with a skeptic. If I can get back on Anderson he brings Michael Shearmer or Joe back, I'm gonna ask him, do you belong to that

society of the skeptics and all of that? And then I'm gonna turn that around to them. Oh so, let me get this right. You're an atheist. You don't believe in God. Okay, so you don't believe in UFOs, you don't believe in God. You're an agnostic. You're a skeptic where you only believe what can be put out in front of your face. So I think if you give them the whole title, not just a skeptic, they're a skeptic, agnostic, and atheist. That's the society they belong

to. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's very It gives a full kind of you know, it's like it's like they were doing with you or with the UFO topic. It's like they're trying to air a lot of dirty laundry where they don't do that with the other side. Yeah. I agree. So, so you know, it was a good experience. You know, I tell you that night that they put you up in a hotel the night before and it's kind of a little dinky hotel down the street

from Columbus Circle. But you know what I did. I booked my flight out the you know, the following day. So I stayed nextra day in Manhattan, and I booked myself into the Waldorf for Astoria using my Hilton Hotel points. How. Wow, what a great experience that was. Wow, because I'm a platinum something member with them, because I have time shares and they have to upgrade you. So they upgraded me to the towers to a suite. What a room. Unbelievable. That was probably an eight nine hundred

dollars room that they put me in. So it wow for me, that was a great, great couple of days. Now, I just wish they didn't do the editing because I kind of put a damper on it, you know, right, Yeah, that's turkey, that's too bad. Yeah, it's great to hear your side too, because I didn't know that. Yeah, I don't know if many people did. No, I mean, the only people that know. Well, I'll tell you what though, if you

didn't know, you know, I did write something in the journal. I wrote a rebuttal to my first I wrote a story that actually got into the Journal before the show actually aired, So then I wrote a rebuttal to it saying, well, everybody probably read my my write up last month, Well let me tell you what happened. So so I did put it in the Journal, and it's in my book too, in one of the sections that covers the media, I put that in there as to how the Hole Anderson

Cooper show went. So that's that's part that's in my book. Okay, Yeah, Well let's before we get to the book, because I think we'll probably spend a lot of time on that. Let's also talk about these conferences that you have going on now. You've been running two conferences in the Pennsylvania

area essentially, yeah, and we're going to up that to three. You know, even though the economy is not as good, and you know, our pre sales are down about fifteen twenty percent right now, I hope the crowd actually comes walking in and wait until the last minute, because you know, everything I've been involved in, you know, jugle, diabetes, rotary, the golf outings, all the things I do for charity around here in

Pittsburgh, attendance is down. People are just not spending money. And you saw it at the move On Symposium in Cincinnati also, so you know, our pre sales are down right now, but you know, I still think we're going to have a really good conference. And you know, when I say it's down, you know said it drawing two hundred and twenty, we might draw one ninety and you know per day, So you know, what are you gonna do? But yeah, we do two conferences, and we're

actually planning to do an ERIE Pennsylvania conference too every May. So we'll do ERIE in May Philly in September and Pittsburgh in October. And we have a great lineup, you know. This this conference coming up tomorrow night. We start off Friday night. I'm the first speaker at five point thirty. It's at the Bucks County Sheridan Hotel, right across from the Oxford Valley Mall, which is the place where all of these UFO sidings in two thousand and eight

started in Pennsylvania. Right there at that mall was where the whole flap started with the two hundred sightings over four months. Right, So you know, we you know, we obviously were trying to be smart about it, and so we do the conference in the location that got the pressed and people you know, will come out because they want to learn about it. But so it thoughts off with myself. Then we have a cocktail hour, you know, with our dervs, and then after that is Frank Fashino and he's going

to speak about the sixtieth anniversary of the flat Woods Monster Case. So that's Friday night and that's thirty three dollars to attend that Saturday, we have five speakers. The last speaker today we have the swy text and a few other speakers, but the last speaker today on Saturday is Travis Walton. So he's always I think he's really in demand now he's been going around all over the country speaking. So we have five speakers Saturday, it's forty dollars to get

in. And then Saturday night is at dinner. You can sit at the table with one of our twelve speakers. So we have a dinner with the speakers and Peter Robbins speaks at the dinner. That's thirty eight dollars for the dinner. Then Sunday, you know, Sunday might be the best part of the whole lineup is we have four speakers and then the speaker panel and our four speakers is Mark Passio. He's a local guy, kind of more of a paranormal investigator, but does UFOs also, but a real good guy.

We follow that with Grant Cameron, Stephen Bassett, and Richard Dolan. And you know, Bassett said to me that those three had never done a conference

together before. So he says, make sure you tape it, sell the DVDs, and you know she's and it was his suggestion, he said for the panel, you know, put the three of us together and we'll have you know, other some of the other speakers on the panel also, not just the three of them, but I think the fact that you have those three speakers and then we get all the all the other speakers together for that question and answer session at the end Sunday is going to make for a real

good, real good conference. So so that's the Philly Conference. It's our fifth anniversary, and it's right where the two thousand and eight UFO flap started in Pennsylvania, right, which kind of started this conference off with a bang. I mean in the media big time that sighting. And maybe you could give a short kind of synopsis of what happened there and then you had your

conference, which was well attended and it's been doing well ever since. Yeah, yeah, you know that conference, the first one we had in January. It was actually January nine, right after the TV shows aired on Discovery Channel UFOs over Pennsylvania. That first conference drew six hundred people. It was probably the largest UFO conference in the country for a one day conference, you

know, I know that. You know, UFO Congress runs seven days, so they end up with more people, but for a one day conference, we had six hundred people come and that started us off. I mean that was you know, we gave us a little bit of funding so we can hold these conferences each year, and you know, every year we upgrade the

conference too. This is now the fifth conference, and you know this year we actually we have the ballrooms, so we've you know, we've right, we've gotten each year a larger room because our attendance has actually gone up fifteen percent every year. We draw about thirty more people every year, more than the late year. So you know, we'll see how it looks right now.

Right now, it looks like we might be down twenty or thirty people, but it's still going to be a great conference with somewhere around two hundred people per day. Yeah, great, great, And yeah, actually Friday night's attendance for the cocktail Hour with the two speakers, we've got about fifteen more people preregistered than we did last year when we had lind Katai as the Cocktail Hour speaker. Oh good. So yeah, maybe you could talk about

just briefly on that sighting that started this whole thing off. Well, you know what this two thousand and eight case, you know it really when I go back through it, it starts around May and of May, beginning of June with some cases on the Pittsburgh side, And that never really came out, you know, even though I tried to tell the producers and you know and other people when they talk about maybe we'll do well we just did the

Canadian Discovery Channel, but we never really talked about the Pittsburgh side of the state. It was always the Phillies. But what happened was there were some UFOs coming down from Lake Erie over East Lake, Ohio. And then from there. The strange thing is I get this guy Sam Over in East Lake, Ohio, calling me saying, I see these UFOs coming in off the lake. Then I get a guy in West Virginia over by Pittsburgh. We wheeling or weird in West Virginia. He tells me he sees these UFOs coming

in from Ohio. So there the same ones they came in over the lake. Then I get a guy in central Pennsylvania up by Penn State saying, I see UFOs coming across the you know, coming across the state. So you know, you start putting it together. We got UFOs coming in over Lake Erie, Ohio, across this little peninsula of West Virginia before you get

into Pittsburgh. We got cases in Pittsburgh. Then we got cases across the state, over by Penn State. And then we got the big flap over in Philadelphia where just it started at that mall, at the Oxford Valley Mall. It started with a news story that these kids leaving a swim meet saw this UFO over It wasn't over the mall, it was over the Mexican restaurant Don Pablo's that had gone out of business, and they saw it, you know, hovering over the over the building, and that hit the press,

and uh, we just got so many good cases. I mean, we got uh. I think when I look back at it. There were three police officers that filed cases. There were three military people that filed reports. And the one case we had from the police officer was great. And uh, you know, I spoke to the precinct and the media supervisor and they just killed it. They wouldn't allow him to come forward. And he sent me saying it's good for my career and I can't come forward, you know.

And I put that email in my book without his name, obviously, but I just put the text of the emails to what he said about how he couldn't come forward. And I didn't name the police department, you know, I didn't name the police department either, But you know, so that was a good case. But then you got to these two other cases that

made it to the TV show. You had Denise and you had Cliff, and it was it's around the same time that it that these sightings occur in July, and and you have it's about the same time a night too. It's at about four am. Both cases, the dog wakes the person up, the dog starts barking, and in Denise's case, she walks out to the back door, goes in her yard and she sees this triangular UFO.

It has three lights, you know, one on each corner. And there's about eight witnesses to this, also different people in the in the housing complex at different times. Because Denise saw this three or four times and there's a total of eight witnesses. And on one of the cases, she says, it drops these metals, Alex sprinkles down. She thinks they're probes into a tree, a privatory right there in the in her backyard, and she tries to take pictures. She don't get pictures. But you know, Bob Gardner

is my chief investigator. He takes samples from the tree and then other trees in the neighborhood and we send it off to Professor Levingood for analysis, and you know, it comes back that there's high levels of boron and magnesium on

these leaves on her tree where she said something happened. So, you know, I asked, Denise, you carry boron and magnesium in your spice rack and she didn't know what She didn't know what I was talking about, but you know, so she didn't sprinkle you know, boron and magnesium on her leaves from the second floor window, you know, But you know, then I came across something else in my other reading called force its Repetitions, and this was written, you know, twenty years ago. I think George Forcett

was North Carolina state director. Years ago. He identified twenty five things that are similar in UFO sidings. What do you think Number six is boron and magnesium, So I guess that shows up as a trace element on UFON siding. So you know, she had a good case. Bill Burns with UFO hunters. You know, he got the police involved, the sketch artist. He interviewed all of the witnesses separately and he said, you know, the sketches matchup. You know, he had them interviewed separately and he said,

you know, this looks like a good case. So that was a real interesting case with Denise. And then att, like I said, at the same time, you get Cliff's case. And Cliff is the retired He's living in Doylestown, so that's a little bit north of Denise, maybe about fifteen miles or so. And same time, four in the morning, dog starts barking. He looks out the window. This happens twice now a couple of weeks apart. He sees his slow moving object coming, you know, towards

his house. He thought it was a cloud. He didn't know it was a hot air balloon. He said, what's this thing? And you know, he sees it when he gets closed, and it looks it looks like a six sided craft, very slowly moving in the air over his house. And the second time it happens, he gets his wife and they go outside and there's a heat lightning storm and when the lightning flashes in the background, he can see what looks like six objects docked together, six triangular craft docked

together, creating this six sided object. So so that you know, he thought that was, you know, amazing, and it moved very slowly, and then he said it just kind of went off to the northeast. So Bob Gardener goes and visits the you know, calls the Philly Tower, and they invite him up there clear him, and he goes up and they said, yeah, we had a large object with no transponder came on their radar and it veered off to the northeast towards New York City and that matched up

with Cliff's siding. But here's the interesting thing with this case now, is so then we file. You know, after I'm told about everything transpired, I file freedom of information acts because I want to get the radar right. So it comes back that there's no more radar. It's beyond the forty five day retention period and there's no records to be checked. So I filed an appeal and it came back with the same explanation. I called, you know,

the FAA, and they told me the same thing as nothing. So I contact the Glenn Schultz, who's you know, with Moufon, and he gives me the protocol. And you know, they keep those radar discs. They don't get rid of them. They're there right there in the office. They just filed in a different cabinet, you know. So the FAA is giving you these fourier ants saying that there's no records to be checked, and that's not true. And I contact this at the Philly Tower and I told

them, Hey, this is the procedure. You've got this radar and I want a copy of it. Well, this person responds back to me, I run an efficient office. Yes, I do have the radar. I'll send it to you. So now this isn't direct conflict with a freedom of information act that says they don't have it right. So that's significant. So this person sends me two discs. Of course I can't read them because you have to have the airport's system to be able to raptor system it's called to

read the disc So I sent them off to Glenn Shultz. He reads them. He pulls down six screens of paints of objects that didn't have transponders on it. Right. So I get back to the person and tell her that the discs were corrupted and overlaid with other, you know, other data, because that's what Glenn had told me. And she replies back that remember that the discs were not overlaid. I didn't do that, you know, something

to that extent. But I put that in my book. Also, all of these emails, I took the names out and I just put the conversation in my book. But it paints a very clear picture of the FAA telling you there's no records to be checked, and this person giving me all the records to be checked, you know. And I think that's significant. And we didn't get to do that on the Discovery Channel show because that all transpired

after the show was filmed, which happened. You know, we filmed that as this case was going on in July and August, and the show had in November, but I finally got to the truth about January of the following year. So you know, if we can ever get to redo that show with Discovery Channel or History Channel, you know, we'll we'll bring the facts out on the radar, right. And I mean that was and that show especially nowadays, and I don't know if some people listening are probably kind of

new and they don't know that MUFON had a show with Discovery Channel. There are only three episodes. One of them is this one that you're talking about. Is UFO's Over America as a whole show, And that was a really good show I thought. I mean, they showed all of your research and what you guys did. They included the part about the tower and everything, and you know, I keep thinking back to how good that show was, especially in light of these new shows which are not close to us good.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say, Alejandro. If you look at the UFOs over Earth three episodes on Discovery Channel, which play all the time on Investigative Discovery, I get every time it air, somebody sends me an email, calls me, so you're on again? Good? You know, which is cool? I got people from my high school graduating class. Is that you emis? I said, yeah, that's me. But you know, you compare it to Chasing UFOs and you and then you compare

it to that show we did for years ago. I mean that show was good. You know what's funny? You get this criticism all the time no matter what you do. You know, uh, you know, I mean people criticized Anderson Cooper show. You know, people criticized because I got hot with the with Joe Nichols at the end. But yet the three witnesses were happy. I did that, you know, right, and the producer was

happy also. But you know what I remember four years ago people were criticizing, well, why did you air in the North Carolina case with with Richard Lang if the guy failed a polygraph, Well that was part of the investigation. He failed a polygraph, but he still says that he saw what he saw and and and you know that he claims he had a close encounter third kind you know, so you know, but you know, this seems to always be criticism. But if you look at that Chasing Ufoux show right now,

My god. I mean, you know they're handling evidence without gloves, they're going into radioactive areas. You know, they're they're repelling down wall and I mean it's like it's nothing but showbiz, you know, it's. Yeah, it's really sad. And you know, I talked with Ben McGee in fact, I saw him this last week and the science guy on that show, and I mean he genuinely he kind of had an Alan Heineck moment.

He generally wanted to do some investigation, like like on the show that you were talking about the UFOs Pencil over Pennsylvania episode of the UFOs over Earth, and they really didn't let him. It was kind of like Heineck, where it's like, Okay, get in there, and we're not going to tell you anything prior. We're not going to really let you analyze anything, but we're going to ask you to come up with a conclusion without being able to

do any research. So it's really unfortunate because he thought it was going to be more like that, so did James Box, and it turned out to be just nothing like that. But you know what I read though, you know, it took the Fox had a lot of guts to come forward and yes, this show wasn't what he expects because they hijacked it from him. But there was a statement I read, I think it was an entertainment magazine or just in the newspaper, that that that was the most highly rated show

on that geo. They had more people watching UFOs over Earth, I mean, chasing UFOs than any of their other shows. So you know they're going to renew it. It was their highest rated show. Well that's in question because yeah, because Lispiegel did a story too, and they told him that. However, it sounds like it's not going to be renewed. Oh okay, yeah, well I will. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either. But it puts in to question these claims that they made that it was doing

so well. Yeah. Well, you know the female on their rider, if you watched any of that Destination Truth on the Sci Fi Channel, she was in that and it was that same mo of the same formula, yeah, repelling and that action type stuff. So, uh, you know, I spoke with James Fox and I told him, and he's going to be at our Philadelphia conference next year, so he's gonna he's gonna be one of our speakers. He wants to come to Philly and talk to the crowd.

So that's gonna be cool. But yeah, so that's you know, that's the story on those shows. Yeah. And now these these cases that you just talked about are two of the cases that are in your new book, right, yeah, yeah, they're in there. So what is the name of the book? You know, how many? What is it? Just of it? Okay, well the book is now. Now we just talked about the show which was UFOs Over Earth, right, So I named my

book UFOs over Pennsylvania. Ah, there you go. And in the opening I say it's you know, it's a takeoff from the TV show in two thousand and eight. And we have a great cover that shows the state of Pennsylvania. I got these little dots, you know, like like you would put a pin everywhere you had a UFO case. Now you know, most of them in that Bucks County area, in the Pittsburgh area, And I got a UFO and then I got these three bright lights on the other corner.

So it's a really nice cover. And the book, Alejandro, is five hundred and eighty pages. I could have wrote a thousand pages on that, you know, and I was actually when I was talking to the publisher, he says, you got to split this up into two books. I said, well, you know, I'm going to give it. I'm gonna put it all into one book, and I'm just gonna make it really good for the people here in Pennsylvania. But it has ninety pictures in it.

It has five hundred and eighty pages. There are fifteen different authors to the book I wrote. There's thirty five chapters. I wrote twenty one chapters. The other fourteen chapters are written by fourteen different authors, which made it very easy for me. You know, we have we have Bill Burns wrote a chapter on the Bucks County case because he was involved in that with UFO Hunters. Tom Carrey wrote a chapter on the Carbondale case that he investigated with the

Rick Fisher. And then I have a Reverend Swoop out of Erie. And we didn't get to talk about the Eurie conference or the Pittsburgh conference coming up, but Reverend Swoop and Fred Saluga wrote a chapter on Prescal Island. One of my investigators wrote a chapter on Harrisburg cases. And then there's some personal accounts in there too, from Chris Augustine and Melissa Milano. She was the one in the show with us in that case, the Asian woman if you

remember her LISTA Simon is her name. Melissa Simon wrote, she wrote a chapter, so it's really cool, you know. And then you know,

I even had a chapter on police cases. So what he did was I investigated and pulled out all of the UFO sidings over the years, and I think I go back to like nineteen fifty five in Pennsylvania, and I have one chapter that has about thirty accounts by police officer and I named their names because they were in newspaper articles and their names were named, and so you know, you talk about, well are their good police cases and sightings?

Yeah, there's a whole chapter on these police sightings throughout the state over about a fifty sixty year period. So and then what I did was the last third of the book I call related material, and I have chapters that I think people would want to read. Scotti Roberts wrote a chapter on the mephylum. Paul Stonehill wrote a chapter on Russian usos called Fine, wrote a chapter on American usos. Philip Mantel wrote a chapter on the real alien autopsy story,

which is a really good chapter. And he wrote another chapter on a case in England. And so that's all the different type of authors that I have in the book, writing different chapters. And you know, I'm so proud of this book, I tell you, Alejandro. I wrote the two twenty twelve books, which were, you know, mostly science fiction books, although I did a lot of research on the twenty twelve prophecies, the Mayans, you know, Hopee, Edgar Casey, all of these different cultures and

prognosticators. But you know, I did those two books, and now I got to my third book, and I got to tell you, this is a quality book. The cover, you know, the way it was put together, the pictures. You know, I'm very proud of this book. You know, even in the end of the book, we have position statements by people in the field. I was reading a UFO book written oh I had to be fifty years ago, and I kept seeing in their position statement, position statement. I said, man, I haven't seen that in years

position statement. So I all of a sudden I was done with my book and I said, I'm hitting another chapter right before I published it, and I emailed everybody that's ever spoken at my com differences probably sent forty emails out and about thirty returned it with their position statement on what they believe or no.

You know, it's funny. One of them, you know, I asked them to tell me what you believe, and one of them actually came back Sallas with the Malstrom case and he said, John, this isn't what I believe. This is what I know because I was there. She gave me his position statement. But you know that chapter in the back has you know, thirty different position statements. Stanton Friedman, Lind Katai, Bill Burns,

you know, all the usual suspects that speak at the conferences. But you know what I was thinking, and I think this is going to be pretty cool when we do these two conferences now over the next two weeks. Is you can buy this book. It's only twenty dollars for five hundred and eighty pages, and you know, I'll obviously autograph it. But at any given conference, there's going to be four or five people who wrote something in

that book. So you can get Bill Burns, Tom Carry, you can get you know, this Weekend Grant Camera and Steven Bassett, all Gaming position statements and you can get their signature, you can get them to autograph their position statement or the chapters that they wrote. And I think that's going to be cool. I'm going to tell people, you bring the book back every year to the two conferences or three conferences once we start earing next year,

and just keep getting signatures. Over four or five year period. You're going to get thirty signatures in this book and that kind of makes it a collector's item. Yeah, that is really cool. And you know, not only that, I'm sure you know other conferences you go to since you have so many people in there that most likely they'll be a speaker from at that conference. It's in your book. Yeah, you know what I didn't You know

what, you just gave me a great thought. I have one copy the first edition that I have downstairs and I signed it and wrote first edition. What I'm going to do now, I have to bring that with me now to all these conferences, and I h I got to get those people to autograph that, just like I'm asking everybody else. I need to do that. You just you just gave me a great idea. I have to do

that now. Yeah, that's really cool. Now with this book when you were putting it together, there must have been some stuff that was kind of news to you or something that you found particularly shocking or interesting that you didn't know before. Well, you know, right in the prelude, right in the beginning, I came across something called what President Kenny would have said?

And it's a letter written it's what this is by Professor Lawrence Merrick. And he has a you know, a letter there of what the President would have said regarding disclosure. But what he does talk about was two uh documents which I was able to find and put in the book from Kennedy that were a week prior to his assassination, and you know, it regards him talking about coming forward with the truth and stuff like that. So there were two very

very interesting documents seven days prior to his assassination. So you know, there are people that you know, surmised, you know, why was Kennedy killed? And you know, but but I'm coming across more now that there might have been a UFO angle to this that he was going to come forward, you know, with the truth as far as what was going on, And the same thing with Robert Kennedy. So you know, I found that to

be very interesting. But you know, it surprised me with all of the police cases because I didn't know I was just going to come across, you know, and I was actually writing the chapters, you know, like the different chapters UFOs over Bradford, over Reading, over Somerset, over Bloomsburg, and I kept coming across an article that talked about a police police recalled to the scene and saw the UFO. I said, you know what, I got to put a chapter in there on police sightings, pull all of those

together together and make a separate chapter out of it. You know. There is also another chapter in there, which I called mummification. And this is an interesting, uh story. Uh, I guess it was about you know, I have to look at my books see what it was. It was maybe four or five years ago that I had this person contact me and she

started she had I verified her background. She was uh, you know NSA and uh you know, and she she would tell me stuff about UFOs, about you know, them being real, but she got often into almost like it's inter dimensional and and things like that. And but then she didn't hear from her for a while, and she contacts me and says tell me about the Todd CS case in Pennsylvania. So you know, I told her the Todd's story. She says, well, this is important to me because my

grandfather used to tell me a story that he was abducted by UFO. He woke, he awoke, and he was in like the top of a tree, and there was there was like a calf cattle in the tree with him, you know. And she said, I've researched it and come up with six cases around the country where people were killed and mummified and dropped into a tree. And that's why she was looking at the Todd Sees case. Because Todd left his house to go ride his ATV and he's found like a mile

from his ATV. He's in his underwear, his boots are two miles away in the top of a tree. And you know that they say he was drained of blood. There was no fluids in his body, and that's why she was asking him about it. But she goes on to tell me a whole bunch of other stuff, and I copied everything she said. You know, I changed her name and I put all of our conversations in the book. Now I lost track of her. I think it was two years ago, right about now, it's about two years ago. I lost track of

her, and she said she was she had to leave the country. She was. She contacted me from Europe twice and told me where she was. She even sent me pictures of where she was. And that's it gone. You know, she was kind of like on the run. She was one of these people. And I asked, I will tell you to tell you who I asked somebody, really you would know who the person is, obviously, do you know this person? And he confirmed, oh yeah, she was like deep deep, you know, into undercover type stuff, and he

knew who she was. And she's gone two years now. I have not emailed her, tried her phone number. I can't. I can't seem to track her down. So that chapters in there, it's called mummification, and I think that's a real interesting, real interesting chapter in there. Yeah, how strange. And you were able to confirm she actually did work for the

NSSA. Yeah, yeah, I confirmed her background and this other well, that person told me she was deep into stuff that he knew who she was, and that's what she had told me, you know, So you know, it's a really interesting chapter. And you know, probably the thing I learned the most from this book was I did a chapter on Nazi UFOs, and you know, that was something that we didn't really know a lot about.

And I think the first time I heard anything about Nazi UFOs was when James Carrion brought that up at the what was that the two thousand and nine symposium when he talked about Roswell and and possibly you know, being Nazi technology, and it was it wasn't extraterrestrial, but it was actually somebody flying that. You know, it was American Russian technology. I had never heard of

that before. But you know, so I did some research into the Nazi UFO program and Kamla and what interesting information I came up with a high jump and a few others that really interesting, and and Hitler's involvement in the occult and of real society and a book written in eighteen seventy one called the vril Ya and his belief in this you know, underground society in Hollow Earth. And if anything, that was the chapter where I learned the most that I

didn't wasn't aware of. And you know, it's funny discovery Canada came out here maybe three weeks ago to film the Keksburg UFO case with Stan Gordon and myself and the local witnesses, and they said to me, I want you to cover the Nazi angle on Kesburg because it looked just like the Bell program.

So I had already done the research for my book on the Nazi UFO program and the Bell and all of that, so I said, yeah, that's cool, I'll do that because I just learned about it, and you know, so that was my part in the TV show, was talking about the Nazi program, which I think would make a great movie if somebody, you know, like Valkyrie with Tom Cruise, you know, and let's do it from a UFO angle of KAMMLA and these secret programs and what they were

working on. Yeah, yeah, I mean that would be interesting. But I wanted to know also about some of the cop cases. Were you able to speak to some police other than the one that you said we wanted to say anonymous earlier? Yeah, well, yeah, that one I had. I had direct contact. Most of these other cases though were old. They were really from newspaper articles and that type of stuff, and you know,

will help me tremendously with this book. Was John Shustler. John sent me packet after packet of old stories from Pennsylvania, and you know, I would go through them and break them down by city and kind of categorize them, you know, vigil chapter and that's where I came across the police cases. But there were a lot of these cases were fifty forty years old. You know. I did try looking up some of them and hauling and the phone,

but those people weren't around anymore. And you know, it was interesting even some of the people from the two thousand and eight case, when I tried to track them down and they were gone. I sent release letters to their house. They came back that they were no forwarding address. I tried their phone numbers from my mouf on files when I was talking to them on the investigations, they were gone. You know. So obviously in the book,

I changed their names because I don't know where they went. They could be in Florida, but you know, so it became it was in a lot of instances, it was hard to track these people down, you know, so you just and I say that in the opening too. You know, I changed a lot of names for obvious reasons. Uh, you know, I couldn't find them, so I didn't have differentmission, so I just used a different name and described what happened. So do you feel that Pennsylvania

is a hot spot? Well, yeah, it absolutely is. And you know, one of the things I mentioned in the book was in nine Popular Mechanic of all magazines did a story and it said that West Smoland County, where I live and Stan Gordon lives, has had the most UFO cases of any county in the United States that doesn't have a major city in that county, like La County, let's say, But wes Smolland County has had the most UFO cases over the last fifty years of any county. That's really strange.

I wonder where they got this, Maybe from Newport, because I certainly wouldn't trust what anything they have to say about UFOs. They're terrible on this subject. Yeah, you're talking about Popular Mechanics. Yeah, yeah, you know. Actually some of my guys email them and we're asking, you know, what your source was and all of that. But we do get a lot of cases here in West Smallan County I am, and I think it probably Stamp and Gordon who he had such a network here with the police and

investigators and scientists and newspapers. I mean, in this area, he did what a state director should do. And so I think any case that came up, you know, it got reported and it got categorized. But the thing I add to that story is that Bucks County over the last four years since the two thousand and eight flap, has had the most cases of any county in the United States. I mean, you can throw Stevensville in there, you know, I've got I've got at least six hundred cases out of

Bucks County over the last four years. You know, So the Bucks County and Westmoreland County are the two hot spots in the country. Pennsylvania usually comes in third or fourth, you know, in sidings, you know, it's usually California, Texas, and then I you know, it's between Florida and Pennsylvania as far as who ends up number three and number four. But you know, also you can look at that and it's the states with the most

population, you know, usually get the most sightings. You know, all the all those states like and it's really odd New York you don't see a whole lot of cases, you know, Massachusetts, A lot of states that have a lot of population, you're not getting a lot of cases either, right, And do you see then in Bucks County that the events are similar? Is it a similar type of phenomena being experienced there? Well, you

know those cases there there were two types in Bucks County. There was this triangular craft that people were seeing when they saw it low flying, you know, like cloud level, below cloud level. And then there was a kind of a starlike fast moving object that they would see, you know, when it was high at like ten thousand feet let's say. And you know when I saw something like that right in the middle of that flap on June twenty eighth, and it just stunned me. But you know, I did what

we're supposed to do. I went to the tracking sites and it was actually an asteroid that passed through at that I think it was ten ten fifteen PM and the moon light reflected off of it. So I saw this bright object was shoot by. There was no contrail, no you know, no flash toute or anything, but it was lit up and it just moved across the

sky and it turned out to be an asteroid. Mm hmm. But you know the interesting thing too, is uh, you know, I learned about the t R three B, which you know people claim is a you know, Air Force government anti gravity craft, and you know when you read about it, it's a triangular craft with three lights on it, and it actually matched up to what Denise and you know, half those cases were reporting. So you got to wonder, now, was was it a government project that

these people saw in Bucks County? Yeah? What you mentioned John Souschler when he was part of the Biggelod group NID they did an investigation where they tried to figure that out. But of course there's no official records. They couldn't find for sure that the government ever worked on a tr or something like that. But of course if they have, then that would you know, say a lot, especially if they did it towards the nineties when all the triangular

stuff started. So it's certainly an interesting question. Yeah, no, I agree with you, so, but you know it makes me think because you always, you know, none of us have the answer, and we go back and forth, you know, and say, is it is it psychological? Is it a misidentification? Is it a government craft? And now even though you try to figure that out, what I always do to ground myself is I take go back and say, okay, that doesn't explain the older

cases. You know. And as a matter of fact, tomorrow night, my presentation, the start off the conference is called UFOs and Art and History, and I go into the Renaissance paint things, the cave drames, the petroglyphs, all of that type of stuff. And you know, when you look at the history of this, and actually if you lay it out and

you look at the whole timeline, you know that this is real. And but you know, the average person hasn't done that, you know, so said they don't understand the history, you know, when the CIA got involved in the Brookings Institute and that and that type of stuff. So you know, getting to that, what are your feelings about the nature of the phenomenon? Well, my position statements in my book on page time, you know, but it actually did write a position statement. You know, my beliefs

have changed over the years. And you know, I used to think it was just interplanetary, that the moon is away station. They're probably on the dark side, and and you know they have a base there, whether it's in one of the craters, and they come in and out, and you know, just like any settler. You know, when the people came over from Europe, it was a place that they you know, kind of restocked this, a lot of stuff like that, And I figured it was always,

you know, interplanetary. They came here from some distant planetary system. It probably takes fifty sixty years to get it, you know. But I tell you now because in this area of Westmoreland County, it not only has the most UFO cases, it has the most big foot cases. It has like the most paranormal groups and ghost hunters. I went to a website Paranormal societies dot com. There were two hundred and sixty paranormal groups in Pennsylvania would

over five over fifteen hundred members. So you know, when you start to go to some of their conferences and you talk to some of their people and some of them join MUFON and they tell you their beliefs. At this point in my life, I'm thinking that this UFO phenomenon is interdimensional. But I tried it. In my mind, I'm trying to logically reason through everything.

I've had some paranormal experiences in my life that would be more on the ghost side, let's say, So I have to try to explain where does that come from? Where do UFOs come from? Where did these legends come from? You know, when more people have had ghostly accounters, let's say, than UFOs. So you know, I'm kind of leaning now that there's another dimension. And maybe it's the same dimension when you pass away that your spirit goes to. And so I kind of think that this is all interdimensional.

But you know, every time I think that, you know, you come across something else, and you know, I'll be talking to somebody who tells me, well, you know, UFOs or demonic, and you know, it's the devil was cast out and Lucifer went to his own dimension or world, and like Hitler, he's developed these crafts and stuff, and they were able to come through to our side. And that's why you have abduction. So I mean, you listen to this and you say, oh, that

makes you know, sounds pretty good. Maybe that's what it is. I don't know. Nobody knows, you know, and and somebody, you know, until we get government official disclosure on it and tells us exactly what it is. You know, we're just guessing. It's all you know third hand, and you know, you don't really know. But you know, my

guess is I think it's interdimensional. Yeah, it's interesting you say that, and it's interesting to hear you say, you know how you kind of go back and forth, especially because you have an open mind about it, just trying to look at the facts. But with the other position statements, were they was everybody pretty much saying the same thing or were you surprised by the diversity? Well? No, I think that most of them talk as a

fact of being interplanetary and government cover up. You know, I think that that's even know, if I had a categories three out of four probably tow the party line of interdimensional. I'm not inter dimensional, you know, interplanetary extraterrestrials that came here. The government knows and the government's not telling us, and that one day we will get the truth hopefully, you know. So you know, but there's a lot of opinions in there, some real pointed

opinions also. But you know, again, it's it's a cool chapter to read. Yeah, it would be really interesting. I'm looking forward to that. And where can people find the book? I know I found it on the Barnes and Noble. You can download it for your nook. It looks like, yeah, yeah, it's on Nook, it's on Kindle. You know, obviously those are the most course effective ways to do it. I

think it's only four ninety five on those avenues. And you know, the hardcover copy if you if you want to get my signature on it, it's twenty dollars and it's you know, five bucks for shipping and handling. And that's exactly what it costs me for the uh the uh you know media mail because it's a heavy book, it's like two pounds, and the mailer that you put it in the padded envelope, it's cost me five dollars. So you know, I'm not making anything on that. So if you see me

in person, it's twenty bucks. At the conference, if I have the maility, it's twenty five dollars. And where do they go to get that? Can they go to the Pennsylvania moop on site? Uh? You know, you could probably find me on that site. But I just I have my own website. It's just Johndentury dot com. And you know, what's left of the twenty twelve books is on that website. A couple of DVDs

also, but it's my name John Ventree dot com. And you know you'll find this book and you'll also see my next book because I got like a little kid in a candy store when the publisher we've already created my cover for the next book, and that's on the website too. So if you go to John Ventry dot com, you'll see this and you'll see my new book, even though it's not there to buy yet, but this one is. And just how people know Venturi spelled v e n t r e John spelt j o h n so j o h n v e n t r e.

And I guess, finally, what is your next book about? Well, it's uh, it's about the asteroid of Poppas and I'm going back to sci fi where this of the four books I'm writing or have written, this is you know, the UFOs of a Pennsylvania would be nonfiction because it's factual, and the other three books are sci fi. I am just a real creative person. I get a lot of ideas. I mean, I sit and watch shows and say, why didn't you do this? Why didn't you

say that? I critique shows and movies as I watched them, But then I get these epiphanies and say, man, I'm going to write something, you know and put it in my book, but I can do that in the sci fi book. So it's about an actual asteroid by the name of Apoppus, and this asteroids a half mile wide. Every seven years it gets closer and closer to Earth. And this is true. I'm not making this

up. So it's based on an actual event. In twenty twenty nine, this asteroid is going to pass us and dip below our satellite, so it's going to be less than twenty and this is the truth. It's going to be less than twenty five thousand miles. It's going to be so close to Earth, but it's a half mile wide. And I learned a lot about

asteroids for my research. You have to have at least a mile wide asteroid to cause a climate change, let's say, but you know, a half mile wide asteroid would take out the eastern Sea board of the United States, the traje hectory on it is actually into Nigeria, so if it were to hit, it would take out the entire country of Nigeria. So you know, if you're anywhere within a thousand miles of it, you're in trouble, but it's not a planet changes so if it hit Africa, you wouldn't feel

it over here. You know, you have to have at least a mile wide asteroid. So it's based on that, and you know what happens, and it's a storyline. And the cool thing is, I try to predict what the world will be like in twenty twenty nine, you know, with technology and voice activated stuff and where will be you know that? And the same thing I did in the first twenty twelve book that I published in two

thousand and seven. It was a sci fi story of you know what happens with the Mayan calendar and the catastrophe and the crazy thing is and I put that in that new book is there was I think seven things I wrote in that book five years before they happened, and they actually happened. And I'll give you a good example on page two of the twelve twenty one twenty twelve a prophecy book. On page two, the main character is sitting there watching

television and watching his favorite show called Switched at Birth. That show just came on ABC September of twenty eleven, and it's in my book. You can look at the copyright. It's in January of two thousand and and you just came up out of this. You just made this up that there would be a television show called Switch at Birth and you didn't know this was coming up. No, how would I know? It was five years before. So,

I mean, you know, it's like it's crazy a lot. Yeah, I'm at work and you know a lot of the people that worked for me over at ups and I mean they read my book and they would come up to me and say, Hey, John, do you realize that that

just happened, you know, the Switch to Birth show. There's something in my book about the Supreme Court ruling that, you know, the Second Amendment, You're right to guns is a right and it's not a privileged by the government, and the Supreme Court rules that by four they ruled a couple of years ago. I have something in my book where we find this cylinder,

this pod and it's Norwegian fishermen. It finds it and it almost matches up to what just happened with that disc that's on the bottom of the Baltic Sea, very very similar description to it, so, you know, and then I have another section in there where the you know, the character and his buddies in a bar and they're talking about this movie and what a cool movie it was getting all those old time action stars together, stallone, Schwarzenegger,

Van Dam, Bruce Willis, and that movie comes out The Expendables one and two. So I don't know, you know, there are things in the book that just happened, but that that thing with the TV show, you know, like like, now, can I pick the name of a TV show that's going to be on in twenty twenty nine? I mean, that's what I did. It's in the book, and I approve, Yeah, I can procreate. That's so funny. That's really cool. That's interesting.

Yeah, So I mean that's I think that's so cool that I actually picked the name of the TV show five years before it appeared. Well, it's looking pretty good that we're gonna make it to twenty thirteen. So maybe your new book will set the new date that everybody will say the world's going to end. Twenty twenty nine will be the new you know, everybody will talk about that instead of twenty twelve. Now, yeah, well we had Y two K and then twenty twelve. But you know, I wouldn't go say

and that we're going to make it to twenty thirteen. I just they we're going to make it. I tell you what. It was my predication, Well, I hope so you know, matter of fact, I was supposed to speak down in Mexico at the Chitsanitsu at the Temple of Coco con December twenty first, and that kind of you know, something's happened there. I'm not going down there. I actually feel a lot better than I'm not going down there. Yeah, I don't want to be stranded in Mexico. Yeah

sound you know, but yeah, but it's all fun. You know. I'm retired now and I could spend more time on this and I like doing the sci fi stuff also because I can use my imagination. Right all right, well great, we're out of time. Thank you so much for coming back. This was a lot of fun. The books down it's really interesting. I think people are gonna really really love that. Thanks for having me on, Alejandra, all right, we'll talk to you later, all right,

thank you, Hie. Twenty thirteen right around the corner. Are we gonna make it? Are we not? You be the judge? We're gonna make it? Quip Be and goofy. You a bunch of knuckleheads. So yeah, twenty. If we don't, I'm gonna be mad because I want to see another Christmas, open some Christmas presents. If I don't get my Christmas presents, I'm gonna be really upset. So I am so happy that you were able to join me once again for another wonderful episode of UFO Think

Tank Radio. Don't forget to visit ufodailynews dot com for the UFO News Feed, which you can find the links to the stories that we talked about at the beginning of the show. Also, keep an eye out. I'm gonna write a little opinion thing about the Las Vegas thing for the Huffington Post. And then of course go to Johnventuri dot com to see his books or to

the Pennsylvania move on site to read more about those conferences. If you're out there by Pittsburgh and you want to check out their conference coming up here in a couple of weeks, you can do that. That'll be a lot of fun. It may be if John is right, the last conference you ever see. Thank you so much, you guys, have a wonderful week. Audio smooth Chas