Hello, and welcome to Open Mind GUFO Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and this is kind of funny. Oh and I should say I've got our guest Martin the silent partner Willis. He's really good at being silent. You're just because you're so good at it. Every time we start our our skype you cannot hear me and they're silent. So man, it takes a couple of minutes and we get it all worked out. We figure it
out. But speaking of what you can and cannot hear, everyone will be hearing some noise in the background because we've got some new granite going in today and there's just always so much going on that I got to keep rolling. So hi, gee, weba was but let's see what we got to date. Today's guest. Yeah, very exciting. This is really cool. It's
Jeremy Corbel. Oh. Yes, So if you may have seen that, you know he's got this Skinwalker to hunt for Skinwalker documentary coming up, and he just in the last couple of days has been posting about this on his website, and so we talked about what did this all include and what he told me is amazing. Wow, that place is amazing enough. I know I will have to tune in and take a listen, and I want to tell people more about, you know, all of these cool things that he
told me. It's funny because I'm sitting here trying to resist doing that, and but you know, I want to save it and let him reveal that in the show. But he gave me a lot of exciting stuff. And it's kind of funny because I haven't told you yet, and so I want to tell you. But you're gonna have to, can't. You're gonna have to listen to the show. Yeah, So skin Walker, I just am curious, what what you How would you explain what the Skinwalker phenomena of the
Skinwalker Ranches? Well, it seems really odd some of the things that happened there. I read the book a number of years ago, and uh, and of course I've talked to John Alexander and uh a few other people about the happenings there. You know. I I think the most interesting thing is when the supposed portal opened, when that thing crawled out whatever it was. That and never mind the cameras going out and all these weird things, and
from what I understand, things are happening there again. But I think it's age old. Whatever it is, it's been probably there for you know, who knows, millennia. Maybe that's kind of my thoughts on it. Yeah, and just so people know, it's it's a you know, in the Uinta Valley in Utah, and yeah, it's just just ranch where these people reported to strangeness. And Robert Bigelow, the billionaire we know that has been involved with the DoD project. He's the one who got the money to investigate
the UFOs for the Department of Defense. He has been investigating that ranch with the National Institute of Discovery Sciences also known as a NID'S for quite some time. And now we know through documents that George Knapp has shared recently that you know, the scope of the DoD investigation included much more than just the UFOs.
That that actually was a later phase that Elizondo had, you know, refocused things on UFOs when earlier this Skinwalker ranch was a part of the big part of that, and all these other weird phenomena were a part of it. So very cool, crazy stuff, and so Skinwalker's really important. I think there's going to be more news about all of this. I'm going to be trying to write something up soon about all of that background that's been coming out, and wild and wacky stuff really is some of the some of the
things that have happened there are so unexplainable and so strange. You know, the huge wolf and all kinds of that was shot. I think, didn't he shoot the wolf and nothing happened, no blood or anything. Yes, supposedly this big, large wolf you know, came and it was just they thought it was kind of friendly and kind of wandered around, but I guess it was humongous and uh. But then it got near their their kind of corral with their cattle, and it uh when it grabbed one of the cattle
and tried to rip it out in between these things. So they started shooting at it, and I guess they were fairly close range, and they even saw I think chucks had come off of this thing, and it didn't seem phazed. And eventually I kind of looked at him and ran away. So lots of strange, scary phenomena that occurred, but no people according to the
book. And I've talked with kelm Keller, her the main science guy before and John Alexander, and according to all of them, no humans were ever hurt, even though unfortunately some of the cattle on the ranch did indeed excepher some pretty horrific fate. Fate, you know. I got to tell you if I was that family that bought that ranch and all those things were happening, I couldn't have lasted two days there. They they stayed, they hung
in in uh until they just couldn't take it anymore, you know. But still, oh my god, the things that were happening, I just couldn't. I couldn't take it. I don't know how they did it. Crazy stuff, crazy stuff. So yeah, so that's what we'll be talking a lot about and what's in this documentary, and it's very shocking and very important, and it is new even though we're talking historically. It's new in that we're discovering now what we didn't know before, which was the involvement of the
deal d and the funding and everything that happened in that way. So really crazy, really cool. So otherwise, uh, I just wanted to share it because this is really cool news that you know, my Den of Geek article I wrote about like I had told people and we've talked about this. My interview was Scott Kelly, but they finally posted an interview on Den of Geek and it blew up. It did awesome, so, you know,
there were tons of hits the whole weekend. It was like the most popular article, even though Den of Geek, you know, writes about lots of really cool stuff, like all the hot stuff they're writing about Westworld, and they get lots of scoops on the TV shows and the sci fi shows and stuff like that. So it was really cool that that did really well, and there's been lots of discussion, and what's fun and path this discussion is you see a lot of names and people in there that aren't the regulars.
You know, they're not like the typical listeners of our shows. These are different. These are people who go to Dentic Geek oft and so it's kind of a different audience. So it's kind of fun to get in there and see what people are commenting. And of course, for our listeners who are a little more educated on this topic, it'll probably be fun for you all to go in there and make your comments. Being the sage and wise people who know quite a bit about this topic and so yeah, so that's always
good. Wow, well you get a star in your forehead for that article doing so well one of your very first articles there, right, yeah, it was my second article on that site. And now there of course that from what I heard, I don't know the editor. I work with Chris Longo, who's really really cool, great writer. I dentim geek. I
love this guy. He loves UFOs. He's right open minds. He's really excited about it and has been for a while and he's kind of told me, oh, you need to come over and write for us, and so we finally came around to me happen And I'm loving it. But I guess you know that some of the management were a little more hesitant, and now they're stoked because he was right. You know, he told him people are people love this kind of stuff. They're gonna love more space and science and
UFOs, and sure enough, you know, he was proved right. So they're super happy with both of us and they want more of this, which is great because there's so much credible news that is coming about and it's always fun to introduce all of this information to a new audience. And that's what's unique about the time we're in right now, there are more people open up to hearing more about all of this, and I think that's really important.
You know, there's a lot of negativity I think in this field, wouldn't you say, And I think that it's not necessarily warranted. I think right now is a great time when people are opening up up to these topics. Yes, unfortunately, I do see that as well, and you and I talk a little bit about that every now and then. Off here, there is some negativity, and you know, who knows why. You do see some jealousy sometimes you see people stuck in certain ways that don't want to,
you know, advance any further and what they're what their deal is. So yeah, there can be but it's still it's still a very interesting topic and it'll be good that you're going to be writing about it in like a new forum where there's it's such a busy website, dent a geek. I think it's one of the top websites in the country as far as activity goes. Yeah, a lot of people looking at it. And I also did a little bit on their podcast, one of their podcasts, so they've got a
couple they've got one like called Channel zero and Sci Fi Fidelity. And I can't say I didn't neglect to ask which exactly podcasts that would be on. But they have a podcast site specifically, so you can go to Den of Geek and click on the podcast button and it'll be up there soon. And of course you can follow me on social media and I'll let people know once that gets posted. But yeah, cool stuff, so and there are a
lot of fun so, yeah, this is a lot of fun. And of course I love engaging different people, and I love talking with skeptics. And you know, I think that people like our shows because we're more positive and I if people are skeptical, that is completely fair. And I love to have their input and talk like adults and be mature about this, which is kind of a given in these circles. I don't know why I have
so many people have problems with I guess it's just social media. But sure enough, you know, people are over there bashing on Scott Kelly and calling him a liar and all of these things. And yeah, and you know what, I've got to go to several NASA sites interview astronauts and NASA engineers and people, and they have some of the highest integrity. It's refreshing, it's fun, it's just such a positive environment. And there's so much positivity
when you talk to these people, and and and why it's educational. And I put the link to Scott Kelly's discussion that he did that I got to see it. It's hilarious. I mean, I highly recommend people go watch this video. You definitely will not regret it. So I have just a ton of respect for NASA and NASA employees, and I certainly do not get the slightest bit of sense of deception by any of these people. I think
they're just sharing what they know. You know, these people like saying that, you know, astronauts know something about you know, EPs or something. Is that what it is? Yeah, that's essentially what they're saying. And I don't know. I guess if you're not and you know too, I guess in their defense, they just got to take my word for it. They weren't there to meet Scott Kelly. They don't get to go meet these people. But I would say that, you know, go meet people if
you're into space, and if you're into this topic. There are NASA scientists that do talks all around the country. Many different states have NASA sites or work that's going on that you can go visit. Of course, every university has a lecture series where you can hear these types of people talking, or go visit, you know, go to Johnson's Space Center or Marshall or some of these places which are fun, super fun to visit because they have rockets
and they have all these cool things you can look at. They've got models of big loads, you know, and moon bases and stuff, and you get to really find out what it's like and even talk to some of these people because they're open and they're excited about what they do. So go out and meet people, talk with people, because I think that more secluded people get, then the easier it is to not just get conspiratorial but also kind
of demonize people. And I don't think that's a positive atmosphere. Whereas the situation we have now where people are kind of feeling more open, that's when it's important for us to go begin and continue to engage people, because that's when we can get people to open up more. I think right I have a lot of respect for astronauts myself as well, because you know, it
just there's such an unusual breed. It's like they're one out of I don't know, one out of millions can actually make it to you know, to that level. You know they have the right stuff, so to speak. So they're well and a big portion of the right stuff. And this is something that is something I've learned in the last few years that actually one of the highest priorities in choosing astronauts is a psychological profile. Is people that can
work with other people, people that are friendly. And that's why you see so many astronauts that are that are really humble and friendly and outgoing, because they've got to be able to be team you know, work in teams and you know, be in secluded places for a long period of time with a few people, and that can be difficult. If you're stuck in this little pod with an a hole, you know, that's going to be a struggle
and someone might not survive that experience. But if you're you're with your buddy, Like if it was like you and I could probably I wouldn't want to do just you and I'd be nice to have a couple more buddies, but we can probably you know, make it to a trip to Marson back and have a good time. I think. So we made it through the conference, yeah charmingly. Well, actually, I think so. And that can be a high stress environment because of course you were learning new things and and
you know, it takes a lot of your attention. But you did a great job. Well you did two under the stress. And I you know, I've run a number of events myself, and I've actually lost it a couple of times, you know, not not on people, but I mean you just get so stressed out when you have all these things go wrong. Sometimes that happens, you know. Yeah, yeah, Well, let's get to some news. You got a piece of news you want to share with us, I do. Speaking of NASA, NASA is actually sending a helicopter
to Mars. So this came out on space dot com. I actually saw something on the news about this. So NASA will include a small autonomous helicopter in the agency's upcoming Mars twenty twenty rover mission. The officials announced this on May eleventh. The craft will undergo a thirty Now I wonder why they're just sending one. I mean, what if one breaks? But anyway, maybe it's a space thing, you know. I mean, they can only pack so much, but this is a tiny thing. It's only about four pounds
one point eight kilograms. So the craft will undergo a thirty day test campaign once it reaches the Red planet to demonstrate the viability of travel above the Martian surface of the surface with a heavier than air craft. Now this has to the roters have to actually turn about ten times faster than they would on Earth because of the atmosphere is so thin there, and it's about the size of a softball. But it's it's going to be kind of like a drone,
I would think. And the altitude record for a helicopter on Earth is about forty thousand feet and what does it say. I think it will be able to go up to on the surface of Mars up to one hundred thousand feet. I believe it is. So it's interesting. I think it's a great concept. And they will be able to actually, you know, cover a lot more ground and really look around instead of you know, slowly roving across the surface. Yeah, that is really cool, this little helicopter. And
so that's going to be interesting. And I guess it's a test, yeah, for a bunch of helicopters flying around out there. Yeah, so the future, may you know, maybe a series of so called helicopter drones or whatever they're going to be called. M Yeah, this is a cool story, I think, really cool one. And of course they're going to be looking for microbial life. I don't know exactly how. I think there's uh, it says something like twenty three cameras. I don't know how it could
be in such a small thing. The body of it's only the size of like a softball, it says, tiny little sucker. Yeah it is. Yeah, that's well. And of course the weight on you know, it says it weighs four pounds, but on Mars, what would that be? I don't know what the percentage is, but yeah, I don't know. You can probably find that. But yeah, and that little softball thing must be a little control panel and mostly motor and I guess I'll have to test.
I guess it's got two I think it's got two sets of propellers that go in opposite direction, so they'll be testing. Yes, what you know, how fast they need to spin in stuff to go up and down? Would you guess that? What would you guess something like that would cost. I mean, it just blows me away sometimes when I hear it. I know, crisis. I would think if you went to Walmart, you could get one for maybe forty bucks. But I'm guessing that NASSA paid two point
four million dollars. Yeah, I'd say it's at least a million. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, that's weird, pretty funny. A couple other pieces of news. This is kind of cool so that we talked about, you know, the Skinwalker ranch, and of course Jeremy and I will be
talking about this more in a minute, but it was picked up. George Napp of course wrote about this about the DoD project, you know, and the history, and there were people like Paul Deine and I think we talked about this before, and some other people we mentioned them before that had discovered some documents that alluded to this other earlier rendition of this investigation into paranormal Although they didn't know the scope, they found the name and at least a job
posting on it, and then George Knap shared a lot more. But it was picked up by the war Zone, the Times Ink website, the Drive, Tyler Rogaway, who of course I had on the show a few weeks ago. So that's awesome breaking that news is kind of breaking into the mainstream. I want to write about it and maybe some others and maybe you know,
we can kind of push this out there some more. But another piece of important news today, which is that NASA data from the nineties shows evidence of plumes from Jupiter's moon Europa. So you know, Europa is suspected it's this ice planet to have some underground oceans, and now these plume they suspect our evidence of under ice water, so you know, more evidence for the
possibility of life on that's right, Jupiter's moon. And they may try to you know, plant and mission that will actually look for, you know, signs of life. I don't know within the plumes. I don't know exactly how they would do something like that, but yeah, that's one thing. Well, I guess one of the things that they can do is they can have a just from a satellite from something to go there and fly around it.
They can pick up in the atmosphere some of this this oxygen, this word, this water and from these plumes and then possibly look for microbes in it. So that's one easy way to go about this sort of thing.
And then I've got a story actually on open Minds I wrote a couple of years ago about you know, the research going into actually building a kind of a rover, but a robot, but this is something that digs, so they land it and then it drills under the ice and it's got cameras and stuff and can kind of go underwater looking for life and stuff like that. So why did this Why was this data not look through, you know,
really intensely after you know, the flyby and all that. You know what, I don't know, that's a great question, and I think it just has to do with a lot of times you know, this was I guess data that was received from Hubble. So these telescopes and everything gather a ton of data and they have to go through that data later on and look for it that certain signatures and the data. So it just may have taken a long time, or maybe they weren't looking at it right earlier so, or
some other technology that allows them to identify things they couldn't before. So it's probably in the story. The New York Times wrote it, and I have not actually read through the whole thing because it just came out today. But yeah, check that out right right, check it out people. You can find it on the front page of openminds dot tv. How convenient is that?
Mm hmm. And you can also find there the a link to the Scott Kelly on den of Geek. And then I also posted a short Scott Kelly story at open mind Scott TV where included some of my pictures because then of Geek didn't they only like use one picture per story, but I put several of my pictures of Scott Kelly right next to me, and then you know, doing his stuff, and then of course a link to that talk that he did. You got to check it out. You'll love it because
he's hilarious. So it's really good stuff. We're out of time, we are, yes, well, thank you so much for joining us, Martin, you are very welcome and one is always yep, always a good time. And we'll be right back with Jeremy Corbel. So stay tuned, Welcome back to the show. Very exciting show. Today. We've got Jeremy Corbel on the phone. Hello, Hey, Alejandra, how you doing, man,
I'm doing awesome. And to start off, I just want people to understand because I don't think they do like how important it is that there's something new coming out about the Skinwalker Ranch, because really, since George Knapp's book in two thousand and five and then the lectures that he did, I was lucky enough to see several, one of which was with Comb Kelleher, who
of course we've talked about before because he works with big Low. That's like, really it There's been lots of speculation, there's been people going to the gate and the fence and looking through and everything, but there hasn't been anything real. But somehow you have gained unprecedented access and how did this come about?
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I think what you're right. I think you are right, and I think it's really important, you know, for people to understand that the information that came out of the ranch in the in the twenty years that Bob Bigelow owned the ranch, it was so small and it was in the form of the biggest part was in the form of a
book by George Knapp and doctor Colin Kelleher. But the actual investigations and the NID studies and the bass studies and all this stuff that's in the news now that was going on at the ranch the twenty two million that helped fund all the studies of the ranch. It's been a mystery. So luckily there's been a change of ownership and with that change of the guard, a different regime, all of that information, this information George couldn't put out before. He
wanted to make a documentary, but you know, that was squashed. They
were worried that it was going to jeopardize the investigations. That archive, that a cash shook record of footage during the time of active investigation at the ranch that George documented, that can out now all come out, And so that's why it's kind of right place, right time, and a lot of pestering and we were able to get this footage and all the new stuff, the years of new footage and investigation that I've been doing up there with George can
now all come out too. Mm hmm. That's pretty cool. And you know, George is really good at kind of keeping things under wrap. As a journalist, you know, you often have to do that. But he you know, who knew really that there was ongoing investigation. I don't think a lot of people knew that right Look, his position was he was given the opportunity as a journalist to cover and follow and watch and document what was going on there. He wasn't trying to hold secrets, you know, for
against anybody. He was actually trying to collect data so that when the time was right, this sort of thing could happen. We owe him, you know, a debt of gratitude for his perseverance over twenty plus years of documenting and keeping this story fresh and alive. So, yeah, it's pretty amazing,
man. People are going to see for the first time footage of the ranch in the ranch on the ranch under multiple ownership, and they're going to see it in ways that we never expected the public was going to be able to really, So, did you end up with more material and access and
even you thought you were going to have? Oh? Absolutely, I like, you know, wrote down my wish list of how this movie would play out, and not only did I hit every point on that wish list, but also beyond that, there are some surprises in the film that people are just going to be taken aback by, and I did not expect those things to happen. That's the great thing about a docum metory is that you really don't know what's going to happen until the final cut. Now, how long
has this documentary been in the works. Well, I mean you could say it goes back to George Napp when he first started. He wanted to make a documentary, but you know, Bob Bigelow and the scientific team and now as we know now the government involvement, nobody wanted that footage to come out because it would shine a bright light on the inside of Skinwalker Ranch. And
so you could say it's been in development since then. But as I've kind of released those clips of me going through those archive boxes the treasure trove, it's like Indiana Jones. You get to unearth these tapes that go back again like twenty years. That actively, this documentary actively has been in process for maybe three years, but really went into high gear when we saw the window of opportunity that occurred with the new releases, which all relate back to the
ranch. Every road leads back to the ranch. The twenty two million, the programs that everybody's aware of now it all leads back to the ranch. Right, So that's interesting. I guess I want to get into that because that is really very new information for the public that I think people haven't completely digested yet, which is one of the exciting things for you and I to talk about today. But I do want to get to the essentially your experience.
So how did you first come across the story and what was the impact when you did find out about this crazy Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, you know, I think like most of the world, I learned about Skinwalker Ranch through George Knapps and doctor Colin Keller's book. I think that's how most people were given access to understand in more depth kind of what was going on there at the ranch. So it was through my relation with George Knapp that I was
really shown the goods when it came to the ranch. Although a lot of it couldn't be public when I was learning about it, you know, I did get to see it from a unique perspective and through his eyes, and it really altered my position because when you hear these stories. When I read the book, it read like this great fictional account or something that might have
happened. Then you meet the scientists who were involved during those investigations, you meet everybody who was hardcore involved in this who aren't necessarily public and out public about it, and you start to feel, Wow, this story these experiences are way more profound than I had first kind of given it credit. So
this is why I think the film will really open the Pandora's box. I mean, it's your problem, eventually, the viewer, to deal with the fact that these events happened, and these events change the way that we look at the UFO phenomenon and the associated phenomenon. It's certainly changed the way our Defense Intelligence Agency thought about the UFO phenomenon and the associated phenomena. They're they're related. The things that we observe at the Ranch and the UFOs that are
seen across the world. It's related. So that is I guess getting back to what you were referring to before, which is this, you know, how all roads lead to Skinwalker Ranch and thus far. You know, we've heard about the Department of Defense and you know from lou Elisondo investigating UFOs, and that isn't too far fetch for some people. You know that that's wow, quite a revelation for people like you and I not as big of a
revelation. But to then find out that that some of those funds went to investigating this kind of paranormal ranch that is really unique and that is really different, and luckily maybe for the better, that news is not really completely you know, gotten out there or become a big part of the story because this is so friggin weird. I mean that what goes on there is really strange.
Yeah, So the film really highlights those connections between, you know, the programs that have been popularized now, starting from the twenty two million dollars from Senator Harry Reid to the DIA's involvement, there have been major studies there. They're all connected. The thing that I that I think you're touching upon is that it is easy for the public to hear the words UFO investigation. You know, we get that unknowns in the air. People are familiar with
a tip. But again there's something that has really not been clarified, and the movie will clarify it. So the hint to it is that that twenty two million dollars that was created to study the phenomenon was really inspired wholly by Skinwalker Ranch and what Biglow had been doing there privately with Knids. So the DA study of the Ranch under Bass that was wholly generated because of the twenty two million, because of the book for the Skinwalker and what Bigelow had done
there for all those years with NIDS. I think that they're going to see, the public is going to see about watching this film, that connection very clearly, and that yes, our Department of Defense, specifically the intelligence organization within the Department of Defense, the Defense Intelligence Agency, they took this very seriously. They had to word the contracts in a way so they would be
pushed through without much thought. And if you look at the BASS contracts, which I think George has made public, it's really clear that they're using these terms that allow people to push those contracts through. But the entire point of that twenty two million was to study the phenomenon, the associated phenomenon with UFOs from a medical standpoint, from an observational standpoint, from a scientific standpoint,
and it's mind boggling, it's wild. But they took it very seriously, and not only did our nation take it seriously, but other nations did too. Hmm. And you get into that in a documentary in the bonus material, Oh to the Doctor. The movie is a beast. The movie is two hours and seven minutes, and that's not the director's cut. That's like for the public, my first cut of this movie was almost three hours.
I mean, it is a beast of a movie. So there are going to be five major bonus material pieces that accompany this film which are quite revealing. M hm, that's fun. I'm really interested too, because you know, I'm a huge fan of your work. I've told you that and every time you come on the show, because something that you really do is, you know, you take an intimate look into these individuals that are involved.
But also the pacing, the pacing feels natural and right, and so did you have to kind of speed things up for this one to include more info? You know, the pacing for this one. There's never a dull moment. That's kind of always. My goal is not to lose a viewer for even a second. So it should be visually aesthetic, it should tell the story, and it should be intimate and from a first person standpoint. And
so I think I achieved all of those things in this film. So, even with the extended length, the story has so many twists and turns. It's so deep, it's so profound. What you hear the individuals saying in this footage from the modern day interviews that have been going on for quite some time, now we've actually spent a lot of time, you know, me and the team in the Unita base and doing modern day interviews, which is
really quiet about it, but those interviews made it into this film. So you've got the modern day with all the way back to the NIDS investigations as they were happening on the ranch as they were developing. So all of that footage is kind of pushed together, and I think the pace is strong for a movie like this that spans so many years. It's it's a highly entertaining
movie. I think you won't be disappointed. And so you were, how much of this film is is footage that was shot way back when you were able to get your hands on gosh, you know, I'd have to say it is about forty percent of the original footage you know, from from you know, starting back all the way from nineteen ninety six when Bigelow bought the ranch, and then you know, I'd say sixty percent is new footage.
That is so frickin' exciting. I'm excited. I realize that, and that is so cool because you know, this is a subject when people read the book, I think that you know, it's something that really changes people. I know you saw this recent article by red Pill Junkier Buddy online and on the Daily Grail. I think it was on and it you know, he talks about that how you know, even though he's very skeptical minded, hit, this is just so much happen here and there's so much credibility. It
screwed with his brain. His brain is still twist every time he thinks about it. And I think that's how most people feel, just because it's so odd. But it seems like these things really occurred. So to hear that there's footage from back when all of this being was being developed, that sort of insight alone, let alone the modern you know perspectives, that sounds it's just that's a lot. Yeah, what you're saying, you know, the credibility of this again, I like to say, it really is your problem.
It's it's not, you know, it's the viewer's problem because you have to, you know, kind of assimilate this data. It's beyond looking at it as credibility. Our Defense Intelligence Agency thought it was credible, you know, George Not for twenty plus years thought it was credible. Robert Bigelow, who spent more money as an individual than anybody who owns an aerospace program thought
it was credible, thinks it's credible, knows is credible. So the basis of his interview with sixty Minutes, where he says, I know that there are aliens, I know that they live among us. I don't give a damn. All of that is based upon his you know, research and interest and work with our government at the Ranch. So it's beyond credibility. These events happen, and you'll hear it directly from the witnesses who experienced them,
because George was documenting that the whole way through. Wow. So it's been really hard because you know, I've interviewed quite a few people and had some shows and you know, on this topic because it's a fascinating topic. And one of our YouTube videos that has done the best is when we talked to John Alexander because a lot of the people involved with the investigation are hard pressed. I've even talked with Colm and just kind of baffled, hard pressed when
you ask him what when on there? And I think that I loved this statement by Alexander. You know he didn't, nor has anybody really talked about aliens. So we'll talk more about that. But Alexander called it a precognitive sentient phenomenon. Yeah, that's accurate. I love that statement because it's intelligent. It outsmarted them, that's what they all say. But it seemed to
be pre cognitive. It seemed to know what they were up to. Yeah, as doctor Colin Kelliher has said, it was a real fly in the ointment that it is not an easy way to explain it saying it's aliens. Right there, certainly are UFOs hard physical craft that occur in the Uinta basein Remember, the ranch is just a living laboratory in a hot spot in one of the many hot spots on this earth that we know about. So the lab the ranch itself. It's not that the ranch is a magical boundary line
of property. It just happens to be a place was conveniently a living laboratory in a hot spot. Now, the fire in the ointment is that, no, you can't just say it's aliens because the phenomena that are expressed, and as Robert Bigelo would say, the performances that occurred on the ranch were so varied they never exactly repeated themselves. So as scientist, that was very frustrating because you can't look at something and just say, hey, repeat that
result. It was always altering depending on the observation. I mean, it really is Schrodinger's cat of the paranormal. It was very wild. However, a lot was learned during that time. We might not be able to answer any of the questions that were originally you know, set forward to answer. However, there are things that were learned from the investigations, and that's what I find really interesting. So back when all they started, for instance,
Harry Reid, did he visit the ranch. Yeah, So I can't speak, you know, for him personally, but I know that it was his interest in the overall topic and the people that he associated with that really propelled him forward to help secure the ability for this study to ongo and continue and maybe even in more depth. It was not a sweetheart deal to Bob Bigelow. That is just utter nonsense. Big Low lost money. The reason they picked him was because he had the lowest bid. He was willing to put
the most of his own money into it. So it was really it's really funny. You know, everybody's looking for a big conspiracy, a big money conspiracy. No, you've got a guy like you and me who's so fascinated by this and figures that it with the right resources, he can find some answers. And sure enough, he tried, and he put everything beared no expense. He did his best. He had a lot of people involved who were, you know, really great into visuals. Do have involved? So
I don't know Harry read his personal interest in this topic. I think George has covered that to the degree we can, which is, you know, he finds it very credible. He has reasons like any individual would why he thinks that were there DA guys that visited the ranch? I guess were there government and or military that visited the ranch during this period of time? Yeah, I don't think that's really a secret at this point that you know, Bass was a DIA program period. So the answer is yes, And that's
it's fascinating. I mean, one of the reasons is fascinating is I've been, you know, really close in that I talked to George on a regular basis as part of MUFUND when Big Low approached mouf on and I was on the board and everything, so but I never knew all of the this other stuff was going on, and and that's not a complaint whatsoever, because I you know, even as a journalist, when things are embargoed, you can't
share them. Even you and I as researchers or you know, you working in journalism or as an investigative reporter, there are things that were told that we can't share, and so it speaks to our integrity and that's how we work with others when we don't share those things. Yeah, I mean, yeah, for two years I was on the tic TAC story talking with the primary witness, and you know, like I could not had no way to shield that individual from that from the information getting out, and you know,
I helped to encourage to make sure that information did come out. But yeah, I got a tip, worked it for two years, had to do it quietly because of respect. So I hear what you're saying. Yeah, so I mean and to me though that that I mean, I see that as a positive thing, whereas you know that it speaks to their professionalism of all these people we work with, because I know, you know, they've occasionally shared things with me. But to many though, that's what's frustrating.
I guess it's not a positive thing. They see secrecy and they see conspiracy. So, for instance, if we get to Bigelow, all of these negative aspects or things that say that are really negative looking for conspiracies with Bigelow, I think that they have not listened to what he personally has to say or paid attention to his actions because she said, you know, I've said this before too. He's like us, He's interested in this stuff, and
so he's putting his resources towards it. Yeah, we owe a big debt of gratitude for what Robert Bigelow has done behind the scenes to help get towards you know, UFO truth by working with you know, government agencies to his own personal endeavors like NIDS was a holy private endeavor. You know. People they don't like secrecy, well they should get off their butts and start to bring information forward and seek rather than sitting behind a computer screen waiting for everybody
else to tell them the news. I really don't have sympathy for that. I think that when people say, well that shouldn't be held secret, well then they have never been in the position where they're allowed to be part of looking at something with the agenda bringing it out when the appropriate time comes. And that's exactly what George did for you know, twenty plus years, and luckily that's what I'm able to do now. But you know that it's a
really it's a shameful thing. You know, people that you know complain like that, Well they should get off their butts and start doing research. Amen. Brother. So we're already at the end of this first segment, so we've got to take a break. For those of you who are listening on KGRA, of course you're going to hear some commercials here. Definitely patronize some of these great people who are doing shows or are helping them keep KGRA on
the air. Also, for those of you listening to the podcast, you'll have a short musical interlude and then we will be right back with Jeremy Corbell and talking about the Skinwalker Ranch. We'll be right back. Stay tuned. We are back. You're listening to Open Mind GFO Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we're here with Jeremy Corbel, the creator of the new documentary Hunt for the skin Walker. Now, when is it coming out
and where will people be able to see it? Well, it will be coming out late summer, hopefully sooner the better, but that's where we're at right now is late summer. I'll be finding the exact date within the next week of when it will be launching and available. I'm sure pre orders will be up on iTunes soon. You will be able to see it everywhere. And that's all I can say right now. But you will be able to see it everywhere. Main point is it will be available for like pre purchase
with all those bonus materials pretty darn soon. And you just released I think even today was the first day, or maybe it was yesterday. This amazing poster. Is this what the cover of the movie is going to be? Or or a poster that was promotional? Oh no, that's yeah, that's the that's the movie poster you'll be seeing on all digital platforms where it's available. That's the one. I love it. This wolf coming out of the ground looks like rocks with a you know the actual homestead too, which is
a side of high activity. Wow at parm you know, at this paranormal ranch, high activity at Skinwalker Ranch on top of the wolf's head. It's pretty wild. It's from actual images taken out at the ranch. Oh wow, it is so flip and cool. This poster is amazing. So getting back to now, very few people. Of course, if you want to know more about the ranch, you got to read the Hunt for the skin
Walker or wait for And or wait for Jeremy's film. Definitely check out the film, but I guess just for those few people, because there's going to be a handful of listeners even though I cover this topic quite a bit, who aren't aware. So maybe you can in a nut all as much as you can describe. And you've probably been asked to do this because in media often you know, you got to go do pictures and they're like, what's the nutshell? What is it? What is it about? What do you
tell them? It's you know, actually all hunter, you're the very first interview that I'm doing. I delivered the film yesterday in its full form, but I can wrap this up in a super simple way for people to look
at. So what a Skinwalker ranch? Right? So, based on this best selling book by George Knapp and doctor Kellum hurr By, you know, they had a book out, Hunt for the Skinwalker, This that I'm putting out it's a documentary kind of relative relating to this book, but it's really about the ranch and it's the most intensive scientifically studied paranormal hot spot in human
history. That's what this ranch is, and that is definitive. It's famous now all throughout the world because of the myriad of like strange and frightening encounters and things seen at this ranch, everything from mothers and UFOs to seemingly paranormal events. This has been happening for hundreds of years in the Uenta Basin, but the ranch itself seems to be a hub for this, a hot spot within a hot spot. There's animal mutilations, current animal mutilations, not just
twenty years ago. It's happening to this day for local ranchers. Again, there's poltergeist like activity, there's creatures. That's the thing about the ranch is really strange dimensional portholes. A physicist and another scientist watched this being crawl out of an orange dimensional porthole looking through night vision goggles while they were kind of on the hunt on the ranch to observe and figure out what this stuff is.
The phenomena that's expressed that the ranch is so astounding, and it is about UFOs, but it's about associated phenomena. This ranch was owned by Robert Bigelow Aerospace mogul Biglow Aerospace has an interest in the subject for a long time, and he deployed PhD level scientists. Millions of dollars of equipment and personnel was invested in this, and then the US government's Defense Intelligence Agency took notice and sponsored a massive study to determine what lurks at this ranch to see if
it was a national security threat. So secrets have been kept, big secrets about this ranch and for more than i'd say two decades, and everybody's wondered, what's going on there. We don't have photos, we don't have videos. This has been embargoed, this information, all of that has changed and this story can now be told and it will feature original and rare footage from the ranch during the time of investigations. That's how I can best explain it.
Mm hm. And you're the guy. You know a lot of people I think would be asking why you why this Jeremy guy. That's like what my mom asked. Well, I don't know. It's like not coveted a position. It's a difficult thing to get a movie like this out. It's highly stressful. But no, I think it was Look George Knapp has been a mentor to me in journalism, and over those years I have been able to witness and look at some of what he has been looking at for decades.
And this was something that really, you know, the timing was right, the change of the guard. Nobody else could have done this but George Knapp. And luckily as a filmmaker there I am ready to do this film. So it was you know, consider it luck but it's like being in the right place at the right time. But also I was ready for this mm wow. And you know I can see it because I'm a huge fan
of your work, and that's what makes it so exciting. I'm excited about even if you're gonna whatever mundane little thing you do, you focus on because you do such a great job I think in making anything interesting, but let alone something that is just you know, intuitively amazing. This ought to be great. But I'm curious, was there an incident in particular that stands out to you and or that you really focused on that was maybe meaningful in the
documentary? Right? You know, there's so much to cover in a documentary like this, and we're all looking for the evidence. You know, what is evidence is witness, testimony, evidence. You know what types of documents are evidence. So for me in this film, I really tried to make sure that all the work that George did and he filmed, that all of that could be told in these like news segments where he's reporting to you through all those decades, but then also tying that in to the current modern day
situation at the ranch. Now. People are going to learn a lot from this film. I think it's going to be very hopeful. I think that
they're going to be very encouraged. And I think, personally going there a multitude of times and having my own ability to experience this property and the surrounding area, the most profound thing to me is the way that this high strangeness is accepted by the local culture, and how it's a part of everyday life, and how they won't readily, the locals won't readily just talk to people about it because it is so outside of our consensus reality that they don't feel
like they need to explain themselves to anybody. But when you are in their trust, and we were the first crew ever to get permits from the w went to nation, from the sovereign nation to film at these locations on the reservation and take that footage off for a movie. We were the first. It's not like when Joe Rogan is out there and he's standing on the peripheral of skin Walker and not even close and does some stupid show about it that tells you nothing. Right. This is a hardcore, deep, long term
investigation, a multi general, a multigeneration investigation. So I really am proud of this movie. I think people are going to love it. I think
it's could be entertaining. I think it's could be highly highly informative, you know, And you bring up a great point and John Alexander brings up this point often as well, and I think that's what's going to be different and about this film and why this is important, which is a lot of you know, people have heard about this, maybe read the book, and so they decide they're going to shoot a documentary and they're going to include it or
an episode of this show or that show, and they do just what Joe Rogan does. They go they stand outside the gates, maybe when the lights go down, you know, the sun goes down, they walk around it with their night vision outside the gates for a little while, and of course, nothing happens, and like John Alexander was noting, you know, things
would happen, but it was far and few between. So the chances of you going there and even spending a few days and having some sort of paranormal experience are low because you know, even if a dozen occurrences happen in an entire year, that's a big deal. That's a lot of occurrences, and so you have to really delve in, like you said, like nobody's ever
done before. Yeah, you know, this place is a paranormal Disneyland man, And it's like saying you went to the gates of Disneyland and you stood outside, you don't know what, you know what the matter horn is like Space Mountain is like so yeah, and it's funny. Some of the things will be revealed, like some of the people that you know were invited to come with me and George one time, who you'll see in the film. You know, he a buddy of mine. He turns me. It's middle
of the night, Skinwalker Ranch. It's like two in the morning. We're walking through homestead too, and we are alone, and he turns me and he says, you know, this is like hunting for the proverbial paranormal needle in the haystack. We're here for a weekend, and the Knids team spent seven years day and night and had one hundred incidents over seven years day and night, one hundred incidents. And I said, yeah, it's the proverbial
paranormal neda on the haystack, right, it's really funny. Yeah, you know, you can't be a fly by night person to get the real story. You can go outside the gates and bother the people that live there, which is really stupid to do. But I mean you can do that and get a cool little YouTube video, but that is not an in depth investigation that is again multi generational and multi decade, and that's what I'm hoping to
present to people in this film. It's not a different point. And I think what I hope happens and it may, is that you know, Area fifty one, for instance, is huge. I mean, it's the world. It's everybody knows this term and this idea. That's George Knapp, really he gets to me. Of course it was covering Bob Blazaar, but he's the one who was brave enough to go out and share that information. The
book made a big splash. But of course we're a visual That's how we kind of consume information these days, is the visual, and that hasn't happened. We haven't had this documentary. Like you said, George has been trying to make it. And now that it comes out, you know, Skinwalker the Ranch may go Area fifty one, which would be great and it would be I think you're the right person to be able to help do that. Oh, I you know, absolutely, you know, for better or for
worse, this movie has been picked up for mass distribution. The eyes on this from outside the UFO, the paranormal world, just every day, modern day citizens of the world. This is going to have so much viewership. I always make the joke, you know, Skinwalker Ranch is the Area fifty one of the paranormal And it's true. It has been so secret, it has been so held tight the car it's been held tight on this one. It's all about to come spilling out, and it's going to come spilling out
in grand fashion. Everybody's gonna be able to see this movie. The audience size is going to be hugely increased. Again for better or for worse, but people are going to learn the real story about Skinwalker Ranch, big questions, disturbing answers. I mean it's true, so yeah, it's gonna be great. Man. You mentioned Bob Blazar. I just want to say, Man, I'm putting this movie out. It's coming out soon. But definitively, my Bob Blazar movie will be available in December at the end of this
year. There's no change in that timeline. So another thirty year story, one that I personally want to know, the story I've always wanted to know more about that is coming out. I'm making that documentary full in all in, Bob Blazar is one hundred percent behind it. It is an approved,
definitive documentary. Yep. Exciting, very very exciting stuff. Now, when, like I guess, my question would be this, there were some incidences where for instant, animals were hurt, Like you say, cattle mutilations, your cover or your artwork kind of harkens to this event where this giant wolf kind of came out that the ranchers saw and tried to eat one of their try to rip it through the gates there, through the bars. But at least in the period of time that I've heard about and in the time of
the book where the book was written. No people were ever hurt, scared out of their wits, but not physically harmed. Is that still the case? Yeah, absolutely correct. There's a lot of myth and rumor, and that happens when you keep something so locked down. The ridiculous story about alien firefights and all this weird stuff at the ranch never happened, definitively garbage information,
but it's easy to insert. This is why Bob Lazar is coming forward again with me after thirty years, because it's easy to insert your own fantasy, unchallenged about things when you don't have an account and accurate account out there about what happened. So that's what this is going to do. It's going to push away the rumor bring in the truth, and the truth is stranger than fiction. No, no humans have been hurt I mean psychologically absolutely.
I mean it's terrorized people absolutely. And then go ahead, Oh, I was going to say the effect because, like you said, although they haven't been physically harmed, everyone I've spoken to who you know was part of the investigation was affected psychologically. I mean as that did you run across a lot of that and were how affected were people that you talked to. Yeah. I mean there are some very dramatic moments in my film that were unexpected and
you will see that. I mean, maybe even I underestimated the impact that can be had when people engage the phenomenon. These are close encounters. Let's be really clear to people talk about close encounters. This is close encounters. You don't get any closer than this. The events at Skinwalker Ranch and at the Uinta Basin, these are close encounter experiences, both UFO and something else and intelligence that we don't understand that's related to UFO. So it really expands
your understanding of eufology. It expands your understanding of what it is. We might be looking at why our government was assessing it as a threat, why they thought there were things that could be gleaned from it, both for space, time travel, dimensional wormhole stuff, but also the idea of is it a threat? I mean, those are big questions. So I think that
people are affected on two levels. I think on one level, there's a total reorganization of how you see your self in the world and what the world is. So that's one version. It's not negative. It's just the version of saying, wow, I need to really change the way I look at
the world and what reality is. And that's a psychological effect. Other psychological effect can be that you see or encounter something that you can't handle, and that has been a detrimental thing because you know, it has been said there are hitchhikers in this type of experience. Things can follow you home. This is something that is commonly talked about even within in Defense intelligence circles about the Ranch, and that will become made that will be made clear in my film,
but that is a term that is used, hitchhiker. Interesting and we do know, especially from George Knapp's recent story about Skinwalker the Ranch and its involvement and in the DIA or Pentagon investigation, that people were concerned about this
research for religious reasons as well. Yeah, there was a contingency and actually Harry Reid talked about that in one of the reports that he was featured in by George Knapp, which is that, Yeah, there was a contingency of religious individuals within the Defense Intelligence Agency that thought the study of this was essentially invoking demons and that you know, UFOs or these beings or creatures, that this was demonic in nature and they tried to and maybe in some areas successfully
squashed some of the research. But look, it's just like if you go to a pool party. You know there's going to be people that are highly religious and have certain fundamental ideas there too. So I don't see it as that bizarre. But when it starts influencing the threat assessment of our nation, then I think it is important to look at it and say, no,
you know, is this right? But yeah, there was and is a contingency within the Defense Intelligence Agency that is highly religious and believes that this type of study is studying something that is demonic and shouldn't be done. That's really fascinating now. With the New York Times story that came out in December, it puts a lot of pressure on the d D and the DA to speak to this issue, and they haven't been necessarily consistent or clear in doing that.
In fact, they've been very quiet. If your film takes off like you know it should, do you have any sense of how they may react, Have you gotten any trepidation or communication on that? And thus far have they told you like, just please don't do this. No, there's been no restrictions put on my film in any way. In fact, it's been informed from some very interesting angles. I think that everybody is looking at it
the same way. They're eager to see what's contained within the film. I do think that there is obviously some people who were part of this endeavor who want this information out, and I think that the intelligence community will obviously, you know, be interested to see the film because they were part of this
study. They were part of this investigation. I also think that the releases that we saw from the New York Times and whatnot, that, yeah, people are confused because look out of three different spokespersons for the Pentagon, there were only two cons distant statements. They literally read from a script, and they told us two things when questioned, both of which were lies. For example, they said that the study ended in twenty twelve. That is a
lie that is incorrect. There's a difference between one funding source drying up and the program ceasing to exist. So they have taken a position they probably don't even know the truth. These spokespeople, they don't even know the truth. They don't even have the right name when they're talking about a tip, so they obviously don't have all the right information or they're being given the goods to
sell to us and their lies. So it's really interesting half of you know, some people want this out, some people don't, and we have to sort out what's real and what's not real. And it's a tough job. But thank god, the UFO community has really voracious appetite and really good investigators, people that won't back down and will look for this information. Grateful and
grateful for that. Yeah, not only the UFO community, but I mean the public is really interested in this stuff, even if they're quiet about it and kind of shy about it. You know, they're clicking and they're watching the videos and reading the stories and everything. What a year for UFOs. I mean, they said nineteen sixty nine the government study of UFO stopped,
and then we all of a sudden find out that's not true. And not only do we find out that's not true, we find out that there's probably more going on than just the little A Tip program, the tiny little A tip program, that there's probably a much bigger program. Yea, so we're going to learn more about that. Well, we're out of time. Thank
you so much. This is incredible. I mean, not only is this an event, I mean It's something that's going to generate a lot of activity for years to come, no doubt, and things for us to talk about and interactions at higher levels. This is really important stuff. So super excited, very excited you're the guy doing this. Congratulations and thank you so much for coming back to the show. Thanks so much for having me on, Alejandro. It's always a pleasure. And yes, I'm very excited. This
year will be very big and hunt for the skin Walker the movie. It's going to be a watershed moment where people get so much more information that they can then begin to understand the story from So I'm really excited that the public can now engage this information. Thank you so much to Jeremy for joining us today. I mean, I don't know about you, but I am extremely
excited for his documentary Skinwalker. If you're not aware of skin Walker, I know we kind of glossed over a lot of stuff because we assume people were aware. If you're not aware, you should be because it's an amazing case. A lot of people agree it's it just one of the most amazing. So if you want to kind of get up to speed, check out that daily grail that I had talked about by a red pilled junkie. Also check out the book Hunt for the skin Walker. I think you can find it
definitely on Amazon and in any bookstore. But it's an amazing case and it'll make you that much more excited for this new documentary. And of course George Knapp's right in the middle of it, so if he's involved, you know it's going to have amazing stuff. You can also go to Extraordinary Beliefs to find out more about Jeremy and his work. He's got a lot of really great documentaries and of course that's when you're going to find out when you'll have
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