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I am Alejandro Roja. We have an absolutely brilliant show. Today we have Jeff Willis on. We've been keeping with the theme of having UFO Congress guests and speakers on the show and we continue that with today. Jeff is doing a talk at our SkyWatch which we're going to be on Friday night, and we'll have more and on soon to tell you more about that. But let me tell you more about Jeff. He's been researching UFOs for over twenty five
years. He's had a ton of sightings and when he bought his first UFO, his first video camera, it turned out to be a UFO video camera. In nineteen ninety five, UFO Hunting became a full time activity for him. He's obtained a lot of very cool videos, some of them which have been seen on the documentary dan Aykroyd Unplugged on UFOs. It's a really cool
one. He's been on lots of the TV shows UFO Hunters, and more recently he was on the sci Fi channels Backed or Fake and while their crew was trying to replicate Jeff's videos, they caught unexplainable UFO videos themselves, so kind of cool. So we'll be talking to Jeff in a little while. But first we've got a very special guest. We have our very own Maureen
Ellsbury. Do I say that right? Yeah, that's right, hells very And we're going to ask Maureen about the conference because she's been doing a lot of the organizing and if you call in to voice your concerns too and scream at someone, that's who you'll be talking to. But she prefers it if you're nice. Yes, you have lots of nice people. Huh yeah. Yeah. So how is the attendance going at the conference. It's crazy.
We just ended early registration today and the response has been pretty overwhelming. I mean, we're seeing a lot of growth from previous years and I'm on the phone constantly. I'm surprised. It's just how much it's expanding, how many people there are. It's exciting. Yeah, and I think it has a lot to do with, you know, the the success of Open Minds magazine now and the advertising we're doing and exposing it to this bigger populace. So
we're going to see a lot of new faces. The people you're talking to today sound pretty excited. Yeah. In fact, I just kind of neat that we're getting a lot of younger people as well. Talked to a couple of teenagers today that are coming from road tripping down from Utah and we're thrilled and can't wait and really excited to meet Travis Walton. Nah. Lots of like cool dudes on the conversation. Yeah, sweet man, Travis. What kind of events that are going on? Are you looking forward too? Well,
the whole thing. I mean, I hope I'll have a chance to be able to see some of the speakers. I mean, we have just an incredible lineup. Paul Hellier and you know, Jim Mars, Richard Dolan, all these people are really great. So I'm looking forward to seeing pretty much everyone, but then I'm pretty excited for the SkyWatch event on Friday night
because that's going to be really cool. We're doing that in conjunction with Fort McDonald Adventures, So Friday Nights Franks event, So it'll be meat because we'll be out in the middle of the desert. Yeah, we'll be talking to Jeff about that today because he is the king and the area of getting UFO video, so hopefully he'll be able to bring some good UFO juju and we'll get to cool sightings. Yeah, you never know what, Kinsey, And
then what do you think makes this year special? You know, well, a lot of things that there's a lot of change going on the fact that it's its first year in the Phoenix area and it's the twentieth annual event. So this conference has been going strong for twenty years and I think that's pretty impressive. And it's the first year we're hosting it, so it's in with
the line of both speakers. It's going to be a good event. And you were a friend of Nikki and the Browns, right just like I am, and so it's an honor to be able to carry on that legacy. Right. Definitely, well cool, anything else you wanted to add, I think no. I just hope everyone is able to come out, and if you're not, then we'll have the DVDs for sale on the website immediately after the event. So looking forward to seeing everyone there in February. Cool.
All right, thank you, thank you, Martene. A little other news going on a couple of radio interviews that we're going to be doing February fourth, through the key Hole with Karen Dolan. We'll be talking about the conference there, and that'll be a lot of fun. Karen Dolan is Richard dolan or Richard Dolan is Karen Dolan's not so better half. I don't know how to say that to compliment them both, but they're both awesome people. And Karen does a radio show really cool, so that's going to be a lot
of fun. And then on the fifth, I'll be on I On This Guy with Dee Andrews, and I've been on her show before and she's a lot of fun also, so that'll be cool. We'll be talking more about the conference and we're all really excited about how well everything is going. We're just you know, overwhelmed. I mean, who knew that this thing would really grow? To the size that it has and that we'd have such an incredible response. So we're certainly overwhelmed, very satisfied, and it's going to
be a lot of fun. One of the exciting things about our website is that we update it on a regular basis with UFO News, and these are headlines stories all around the world that talk about UFOs. And even more exciting is that every week we get joined by Jason McClellan and he shares some of these headlines with us. It's always a treat for me, and I know the listeners love it too. Hello Jason, Hello Alejandro, you are full of I don't know what you're full of. It's very flattering, my friend.
Hello and greetings everyone. This is your Open Mindes News Briefer, Monday, January twenty fourth, twenty eleven. Humans are now less afraid of meeting extraterrestrials than we work previously. That's according to an article published on Science and Religion Today. The articles author Albert Harrison, an emeritus professor of psychology at the University of California Davis, believes that there is an anything can happen mentality
in Western society thanks to ever developing science and technology. Harrison points out that we live in a culture where television programs, books, video games, toys, sweatshirts, and so much more encourage us to think about et and it is the constant exposure to these things that opens people's minds to the possibility of extraterrestrial life. Got a point everywhere you look, and I don't know if it's because I'm immersed in this field and you're immersed in this field. We
deal with it every day. So everywhere I look, I see things extraterrestrial, alien themed, everywhere I look, But everything's really I think it's just such an easy creative kind of outlet. Like if you have something strange and weird and foreign, and you want to integrate it in our world or regular environment somehow, you call it kind of extraterrestrial. Like Superman, for instance. You want to have this cool guy who can fly around and be invincible,
But how do you explain that he has all these powers. It's easy, you just say he's an extraterrestrial. That's right. So it's been a part of culture for at least modern wise, for a why, I guess, since we've discovered there are other planets out there. But for me, what's made me less afraid of extraterrestrials. There's lots of meditation. I think a lot of people have a lot of different answers for that, But yeah,
I think the guy's probably generally right. Yeah, probably. I mean, you get a lot of people, especially kids, even though they see a lot of the TV shows, kids get real excited. I mean when you talk to kids about this stuff, a lot of them are, oh, I want to meet an alien. Then you know, maybe they're thinking of the Disney shows with the cute little aliens. Lot of kids who called
him Ellien's Gullians the Alliens. Yeah, yeah, And I probably did when I was a kid too, And I was kind of confusing with Et because the boy's name is Elliott. Yeah, Elliott and Ellien, Yeah, Elliott and et the Ellien. On a similar topic, filmmaker George Lucas is among
those who believe the world is coming to an end in twenty twelve. According to actors Seth Rogan, Lucas recently spent more than twelve minutes or more than twenty minutes telling him how twenty twelve will be the end of the world, recalling the encounter, Rogan told the Toronto Sun, George Lucas sits down and seriously proceeds to talk for around twenty five minutes about how he thinks the world is going to end in the year twenty twelve, Like for real, he
thinks it. I'm not going to impersonate Deeth Rogan, but imagine some superstone person telling this story for real. Steven Spielberg was apparently also present for the discussion, but according to Rogan, Spielberg simply rolled his eyes and said, hey, friend, won't shut up. I'm sorry, I wonder Yeah, I mean, I think Spielberg is referring to his nerdy friend George Lucas. That is correct, and I've heard kind of stories about him being kind of
weird. It's very interesting that he would be so into that stuff. Maybe, you know, when this conversation happened, it wasn't just Seth Rogan who was smoking the joint. You know, maybe George Lucas was partaking a bit. It's certainly possible, and you know, I can't believe it one hundred percent because it is coming from Seth Rogan. Yeah, he could be just joking around, right, But who knows. We'll have to ask him one day. That'd be nice when it comes to the office. Yeah, he'll
probably be at the conference. Yeah. A Scottish man reported seeing a pear shaped UFO earlier this month. He was sitting in his car when he saw two low flying, strange orange lights, one bigger than the other. At first he thought it was a police helicopter, but when he got out of his car he saw a large pear shaped bubble type that made no noise.
The witness watched as the UFO suddenly shot straight up. The East Kilbride area of Scotland where this pear shaped UFO was spotted has become a minor UFO hotspot with regular sightings. I like this description of paar shaped and again I have to commend the UK for their creative descriptions of UFO shapes. They've had their Hamburger UFOs. Last year they had their deadly Dorito ufo and the States is flying Sascer triangle triangle touring Dorito cigar. I guess the gar is kind of
creative. I like that one, but it's an old one. Yeah, didn't now I saw on the stream here this cheesy picture that you have for that with a pair in the sky. Did you make that or was that on the line? That's the real photo on handro there was actually a pair in the sky. Yeah, no, don't, don't. Don't criticize my graphics there. It's cute. No, I don't. I couldn't find an actual photo of this. I don't know if the guy took a photo,
so there was nothing that said he got out with his camera. But he got out of his car and it'd shot straight up, so I don't think he had time to take a picture. That's how it happens a lot of times. But I felt that to best represent a pair shaped UFO. What's better than a pair? You know what? I'll bet in the future. This is another prediction from me. I've had a lot of predictions lately and they've all come true. And if you think about it, should I call
you Stanley? This one is. One day we'll probably have these little cameras in our eyeballs where we'll be able to blink or like hit the back side of our head and it'll snap a picture of whatever we see. It's like a screenshot of everything we see. As scary as it is to say, I don't think that's too far off. It's gonna happen. There's that teacher in New York who had a camera implanted in the back of his head. Really, Oh my gosh, I did not hear that story for the sake
of art. Oh wow. But yes, implanting cameras into human tissue is here, my friend. Wow. And if the aliens don't do it, we will. I'm even more right than I thought. That's scary. Yeah. Police in Newtown, Connecticut saw five mysterious lights in the sky a couple of weeks ago. There's video of these lights on YouTube, and after watching the video, a paranormal investigator from the Smoking Gun Research Agency determined the lights
for Chinese lanterns. And I just watched this video myself, and it's very cool because we have done a couple of experiments now with Chinese lanterns and taking lots of video, lots of photos, and the video of these lights, these five lights look exactly like our videos looked, So for once, I
agree with the person saying that yes they're Chinese lanterns. They were just these slow moving glowing lights through the sky, not anything shooting up or doing ninety degree turns or things things that some people try to blame on Chinese lanterns,
which we have discovered. Chinese lanterns don't behave that way, and you wouldn't think they would, but right, they don't move around a whole lot in the wind, and they don't last that long, right, discoveries that we've made, Yeah, and I think they even had people come forward in this particular case saying that somebody very close released forty of these lanterns and memory of a friend or something like that. Yep. So there's an abundance of these
lanterns out there and they're pretty fun. Yeah. The UFO Chick and the chat is saying they're expensive, which they are, and they are pretty fun. Though I have to disagree with UFO Chick. She clearly doesn't know what she's talking about. Well maybe in British pounds maybe maybe. Oh. There are many different kinds of lanterns, and some are pricey and some are not. But I guess it depends on how you want to spend your money. Yeah, I guess I can think of another mini other ways to spend my
fifty bucks or less. But they are fun and we found out a lot by launching these things watching them in the air, and something that surprised me was the fact that you can't see. These things come in a variety of colors, and we launched a multi pack of lanterns, and you can't distinguish the colors when they're in the sky at night. Yeah, the brightness, I think the brightness of the flame is so bright it overpowers whatever color right
the balloon is and so they all look the flame colors. The yellowee kind of were right. And we wanted to see that because you know some of these reports people report mysterious green lights in the sky or blue lights in the sky. So we launched these to see if the Chinese lanterns might do that. You might see that, but you just see the red orange glow from the fire. And next Christmas, I'll make this vow that we will launch the Santa Claves Chinese. We will launch we have Santa clauss. Yeah,
these things are crazy to get some pictures. They come in all sorts of varieties of lanterns. They make them for everything. They make footballs, they make one for every sports team. They've got pumpkins for Halloween. Pretty crazy, yep, giant pumpkins. I think one even has a giant, giant alien head. I'd like to slaunch a Santa Claus myself, but yeah, the alien head you probably can't see very well, but the Santa Claus looks like you can. It looks like Santa Claus. It's kind of cool his
head. But then kids might be screaming and crying because they're like, ah, Santa Claus is dis dismembered heads floating around as the sky. They might cry if he starts crashing he burns out. Yeah, hopefully we won't scare any kids. But they look pretty happy in the sky. So yeah, there's kind of a strange story. As scientists believes there will be two Sons
in the sky, possibly by twenty twelve. Doctor Brad Carter, Senior Lecture of Physics at the University of Southern Queensland, thinks one of the brightest stars in the sky is collapsing. He says the star might run out of fuel and if it does, it could go supernova at any time. If that happens, a second sun would be visible in the sky for at least a few weeks. The name of that star Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice beetlejuice. Yes, yeah, there is a name for the star, but I'm not going to
try to pronounce it beetlejuice. I think he said it's beetlejuice. Did he really? Yeah, well he gave it a different name. But okay, why in the story I read it was beetlejuice. But yeah, I think
I found that interesting. When I first saw the headline, I thought it was there's there were some conspiracy rumors that they were going to try to nuke Jupiter, to turn Jupiter into another sun because our son was gonna die or something like that, and you can find that in the Conspiracy Annals and actually twenty ten, I think the movie or if you read those books the two thousand series, like the two thousand and one, the Aliens were taking Jupiter
and turning it into a sun in order to create a habitable planet, which was one of the moons of Jupiter. I think Europa, which was kind of funny. So I thought it had to do with Jupiter or something, which is kind of scary. Twenty ten someone in the chat told me, But thank goodness, it's a lot less scary than I thought. It's beetlejuice. And it's barring up away where it won't fry us. All. That's a good thing. But we might have daylight for two weeks or something.
Yeah, that's right. This guy said we wouldn't have night and that would kind of be awful. It's like those poor people living in Alaska. Yeah, like that movie about that What was that one where he couldn't sleep because all of the daylight he was going crazy the cop I don't know. Somebody in the chat will answer that for us. Yeah, but yeah, there are a lot of conspiracies surrounding or related to the Sun. Oh. There constant discussion about satellite imagery and stuff from the sun. And yeah, the
cameras right, people who claim to see UFOs and stuff. Some of those interesting pictures look interesting, but it's just I guess hard to say. Well, and we're not going there anytime soon. So yeah, it's a little warm, Yeah, warmers and Phoenix in the summer, I believe it or not. Yeah, worm here is the perfect type of worm, the sun that's getting a little crazy. Yeah you die. Yep. That is it for the news. Remember to check out these stories and more at openminds dot
tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed, and believe me, it's better to be briefed than debriefed. I agree. Excellent. Back to you, Alejandro. Now, someone in the chat trying to figure out the name of the movie, and you know you can help. But it's the movie where it's about when you can't go to sleep. That's what it's named. Whatever you call that, and I can't remember what that's called. Regardless, Let's
talk about some of the other articles we have on the website. So cool stuff. We put up another UFO case Files Revealed. So Michael Shrat goes and he looks at some of the case files and the UFO archives of some of the big major UFO reporting groups, and then he makes imagery where he shows what the UFO would have looked like in the setting. So you kind of have this great illustration that's somewhat realistic of the UFOs. So we put
another one of those up. Also, I wrote a couple of stories, one of them on the most popular YouTube UFO video, which is called UFO Haiti, and it's got like over fifteen million views. You probably know what I'm talking about. I remember when it came out and people really excited. See here's why I thought it was baked. When it came out, the sound sounded like an audio loop because you had this girl Ah getting all excited and everything with the palm trees and stuff. That was one of the major
ones for me let alone. It looked really almost too good to be true. But you know, you never know what that the real thing will probably look too good to be true turns out, though, you know, this thing became such a big thing on the internet that the La Times looked into it, and it was their cyber somebody who looked into it, and I've
got a link to that story on here. They were actually able to track down who made it and talk to the person, and the guy said he didn't want to give his real name, but essentially that he was kind of experimenting with a movie that he was going to make, and he worked on a lot of Hollywood movies. He's like this expert at this sort of thing, and so he was just playing around made this video to see what would happen on the internet, and sure enough, it went crazy and it got
really popular. So the La Times. Guy said, well, you got to prove that it's you, that you're the one who made this video. So he said, okay, he'd make one similar and put it online, and he made this real cute one. It's called now Naughty Granny's I think
he calls it. And you can see the link again on this story where you see the UFO that looks just like the ones that were in Haiti, but it's floating over this mailbox in Paris, so it's like this miniature one and then it pants over to these old ladies who are playing with a remote control to kind of pretend like it's a little remote control UFO. It's a really cute video that he put together. So finally the mystery was solved and
everybody found out that it wasn't real. So there's just some background. I would just wanted to put together all the info in one story that was kind of concerns, so you guys can all see all the different videos that were related and see the background of this story. So when it comes across, because even to this day, people run across that story and they get amazed and then they email it to all their friends and oh my god, look at this UFO video and then one of their buddies notes that, hey,
that's actually a few years old and it's not real. Sorry. Or you can, like I said in the story, like I do, you know, you can either burst our bubble and tell them look at this link, sorry, that's not real, or you can let them live in their little UFO bliss for a while. And some people, you know, it's better just to say, oh right, great video. Thanks. Other stories I
also wrote just today one on the Dreamy draw Damn. And this is really interesting because I knew the backstory about this dreamy draw Damn thing, but I didn't know where it came from until I did a little more research on it. And the dream we draw dam is a dam, a small one that's in this desert area outside of Phoenix, and it does look kind of weird because it's not like it's holding anybody of water where it's usually dams or next
to lakes and old lakes and stuff like that. But so a lot of people speculate that it was unnecessary, and this legend came that there was a UFO under it. I did some research and talked with buddies and got some help and you know, in the Frank Scully book, which I was familiar with, they did talk about a UFO in Arizona, a UFO crash in
Arizona where a couple of bodies were found. I then talked to some people and was told, which I didn't remember, that Tim Good had written a book in above top Secret about this case also except for he called it the Paradise Valley UFO crash. Paradise Valley is actually sort of far away from where he found a witness and well about twenty miles in Cave Creek who said that's
where this crash happened. That this guy with his hunting buddies saw this UFO being recovered by the Air Force. And then later he said, years later, he saw them doing some construction and stuff and he believed they were bearing the UFO. But that was up like twenty miles north of all of this. And somehow it seems as though people think that this dam, because it's kind of this dam in the middle of the desert, is where they buried this UFO. So that's the story. We went out and we interviewed a
ranger to ask, you know, what's up with this dam? Why do you have this weird dam in the middle of the desert, and he told us why it is because it's by this mountain peak and there is a lot of watershed there and the park does go underwater and it keeps that water from going down into the neighborhoods and sweeping away all of these beautiful homes, which
would be unfortunate. Paradise Valley, by the way, is this beautiful area in Scotts Sale with these incredible buildings up on the sides of some of these mountains. And it's very near the beautiful area where we are having our UFO Congress. Very very exciting. Also, I don't think Jason mentioned this one. I can't remember now, but I'll say it again. No, I don't think so. The crop circle in Indonesia. It's been a busy day. This is a news story as of today, this really incredible looking crop
circle in Indonesia. Of course people are saying, oh, it's probably man made, but Indonesia doesn't really get crop circles. And of course Doug and Dave home, there's only one of them left, and I doubt that he
flew down to Indonesia to make this crop circle. So it is a big mystery, and I hope that some researchers can get out there and they can figure out some more around it, because it looks like it's a very pretty crop circle, somewhat complex crop circle, and it looks like some of those that seem to be actually mysterious and not man made, just like the ones
in England. Speaking of England, hopefully next week we will have our good buddy Ross Hemsworth on the show, an English UFO conspiracy kind of guy. And then we're also trying to get Ben Hansen from Fact or Faked onto the radio show. He was going to do next week, but then he kind of had to. They're shooting the week after next. He's going to be in Argentina, so they're shooting for the show, so he's kind of having problems scheduling around that. But he is going to be at the conference signing
signatures. Also at the conference. Our guests for tonight, which I believe we have on the line, Jeff Willis, Are you there. Yeah, I'm here, Thank you, Thank you so much, thank you. How are you doing? Pretty good? Pretty good? Cool? I know, doing well. Yeah, it's cool to be out here now, you know. We got to talk I think a little bit before I moved out here, but now we're out in the same area and I get to see us
sometimes, which is a lot of fun. And just like you were on the internet when we corresponded that way, you're a very nice and great person. Jeff, Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, I'd love to stop by the office over there and visit you guys, you know, waste a couple of times a year and show some good, brand new footage, you know, here and there whenever I can get them. Yeah, it's
incredible. You have so much footage, and really looking at it, it seems like one of the first pieces of footage that you had that got big was one of the daylight UFO videos you got. It was this like in the mid nineties. Yeah, this was nineteen ninety seven, a little bit after the Phoenix Lights incident. The very same year as the Phoenix Lights of the incident in nineteen ninety seven, March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, we
shot some orbs over there by South Mountain. But later on throughout that year I also was able to catch many many daylight signings that year in nineteen ninety seven and one of the videos that I shot in nineteen ninety seven was featured on Channel ten news here in Phoenix, and it is like you were saying, it was a daylight siding of a Look what would looked to me and what it looks like on videos and dome shaped objects with two domes actually,
you know, you have the rod in the middle and the two domes on the very top, and then it had like three balls of light underneath it, like maybe some sort of propulsion system. And the way it moved was amazing because it goes so fast. And look back in those days those type of objects that I captured on tape, A lot of people referred to those as rods because they were moving so quickly. But a lot of other researchers, like John Burrough at the time, you know, was saying, no,
these aren't rods. These are crafts that are out out in the air, you know, and some of them of course could be rods, you know. But the research kind of shifted to higher shutter speeds to debunk any bugs or raw you know, anything that could be you know debunked. You know, people just advanced their shutter speed to a higher level and then that canceled out anything, and you know that was close to the video camera and of course you always have to zoom to infinity, so you're filming stuff that's
high in the sky, right. And now this daylight video, it was the ninety seven and was that when the video was taken that they used on the dan Acroid documentary. Yeah, some of the they used quite a few clips from me. They used about five or six clips of mine throughout the show that spread throughout the documentary, and a lot of them were taken from my first three DVD's UFOs are Phoenix, you know, volume one through three.
And they wanted to use some footage for the of course, for dan Ackred's documentary that was coming out, and and I had already you know, shot a lot of daylight stuff you know, through the late nineties, and they were kind of internet in some of that stuff. And I also showed him some of the latest videos that I shot, and they added a few of those into the documentary as well. M h. Yeah, some cool videos like the one you were talking about with a dome shaped object to Thomas
like a saucer on its side. Yeah, that was later, That was in two thousand and three when I shot that one, and at first when I saw that, I thought, well, it looks like, you know, maybe that could be some sort of balloon or something. And I have zoomed into it and I still couldn't really figure out what it was. And by the time it got over my house it went like the opposite direction. It like did a weird U turn move over the top of my house.
And I'm still taping it as it's getting farther and farther away. But at that point, you know, I wasn't sure what I got. And a lot of people are interested in that cliff. It was used most recently on Asian Aliens episode three, I believe it was, and that just reaired the other night too. They showed that my clips and that I wasn't sure if you saw that or not. No, I haven't seen that one. I've seen some of them, but I don't think i've seen that one yet.
I kind of don't get many cable channels anymore because I've been so busy and everything. I just decided I don't watch them. I'm not going to pay for them, so so unfortunately I don't get some of those channels anymore. But Luckily you can watch them online and stuff. Oh yeah, YouTube's got funny, yeah, YouTube, and and some of them are putting them up on some of those other TV type shows or websites. But I guess getting to you and your experience, they started for you early on in your life,
like in your teenage years, to have so many sightings. It started way earlier than that, really. Really, when I was about five or six years old, I was, you know, right before I was going to sleep, something was like like grabs a hold of me, like it like actually grabbed my hand when I was going to sleep and I wasn't asleep yet, and so at that point, you know, it was pretty freaked out and and you know, you don't know what to think when you're a
little kid and something like that happened. So, you know, the next day I asked my parents, I said, you know, what would you think or you know, if if I told you that I thought somebody, you know, grabbed me and my sleep last night or before I was going to sleep, and they said it was probably just your guardian angel or you know, you know, like God, you know, trying to make you know, it seemed like it was angels or something like that. So I
was kind of you know, I was comforted. It wasn't a bad experience really. It was more like like, I know that there's not supposed to be someone in the room, and there's someone in the room basically with something like that, you know, and it was not you know, burglars or anything like that. So but you know, after that, it was kind of strange because throughout my education, you know, my first education in elementary school, looking through the library and the elementary school, I was kind of
drawn to the books about the paranormal. But you know, I saw a few Bigfoot books that I had checked out with some UFOs books, and that's when I first saw the Billy Myer photographs was in those books. And I was only about like seven years old when I first saw those photos, you
know, and I was kind of drawn to them. Not to say that they're you know, you know, I'm not sure exactly what is going on with Billy Myers case, but when you see those photographs and you know, you know, real clear photographs of UFOs in a book when you're a small kid, it kind of makes you want to challenge what you've been taught, you know, in the regular education, you know, throughout your entire education, right, you know, it's a challenge. And now, yeah,
you you get a lot of videos. So I your bio talks about how in ninety five is when you bought your first camera, But did you buy it for the sole purpose of recording some of the lot of UFOs that you
were seeing at the time. Yeah, really it was because in the early eighties, I had a thirty five millimeters still photo you know, still camera, thirty five millimeter and that you know, we developed film in high school, you know, and using a larger of loyal pictures and stuff like that, and photo class throughout high school and junior high and I had taken pictures with my thirty five millimeter camera of high you know, white dots high in
the sky that I knew weren't blooms or planes. So I was already able to start photographing UFOs by the time I was like fourteen or fifteen when I first got my camera. It wasn't long after. I think I got it when I was twelve or thirteen, but I had gotten my first UFO pictures by the time I was like thirteen or fourteen or fifteen, and I also, you know, throughout those years three or four still shots. And I also saw low UFO before I got that camera about you know, a couple
of years before I got that camera in nineteen eighty. This wasn't back where I used to live in Bellvue, Washington, right outside Seattle, and there was a small domed cone shaped UFO that was not too high above the trees in the neighborhood that was going very slow and I had spotted it when I was riding my bike through the woods. I saw it, and I tried to chase it and it disappeared. I didn't get, you know, very close to it, but it was a good visual for at least thirty seconds
forty seconds, And that was the closest UFO I had seen. That was actually the first UFO that I had seen. And after that is when I started taking the pictures. But the pictures were of objects that were farther away. This thing you could have thrown a rock at it. Wow, how
big do you think it was? It was probably I would say you take two good size sports utility vehicles, you know, next to each other something like that, you know, maybe just two or three, you know, but it wasn't too big, but the way that it flew, it was just hovering and just kind of wobbling there over the house is not too high, at like thirty forty feet, you know, right, you know,
like real low. And at first I thought when I saw maybe the wind picked up somebody's you know, trampling or you know, stuff and flipped it up there. But there was no wind. But you know, I made a note of that, there's no wind, and it doesn't look like it's caught in you know, like the brief line up there. You know, it was just like sitting there, you know, like fairly moving, you
know. And after that, you know, and then with the experience that I had earlier when I was a kid in the bed in the bedroom, you know, you know, I you know, and these pictures that I've been seeing in these books, you know, that's one that's kind of how it all escalated to nineteen ninety five when I got the first video camera.
And I had lived in Phoenix as knowna since nineteen eighty eight, so I hadn't been here that long when I got the camera, you know, a few years, you know, so you know, after that, it just it just evolved into the video footage of these things. So it definitely sounds like your person who has more UFO signings than the average person out there.
Why do you think that is? Well, if it's just looking for him as saying, I mean, if you look, if you spend you know, let's say you spend in twenty hours a week looking like at the sky at different angles. You know, if you can put that much time into
it, you won't belong until you start paving good stuff. If you have some good equipment right next to you, like some really good binoculars, you know, if you can afford, you know, to buy a little thing, you know, a few things, you can document some of your sightings pretty easily with, you know, with some simple some video cameras, some nice video cameras, and some binoculars. Could could be real nice power high power binocular So I people, I'm sure people have suggested to you that perhaps
it's you that maybe these things are attracted to you a bit. Have you
ever thought of that? Yeah, it could could be. I mean there could be a lot of well, when you're video taping multiple objects over years, years and pick years sort of, you know a time frame, you know, a lot of different things falling, you know, you know, into what these things could be. You know, of course I've had, like I said, some very you know, eerie, weird experiences, not just the one I was telling you about my earliest one, but a few
other other ones up into the point of before I moved to Phoenix, and and it makes you wonder if these some of these things your videotape are the same, you know, related to the experiences that you've had right your life, the ones that you can't explain, you know. But then of course you're videotaping all kinds of stuff, so uh, it's not related to just one type of sighting. If you've noticed on any of my videotapes, it
seems like every single object is different than the last one. There's never one that's the same as the other one. Yeah, that's one thing I was going to bring up about your videos especially, is that the object are so varied in shape. But you know, it's really a funny thing because we have a lot of common UFOs where you know, you get to like a white dot high in the sky and you get high power lenses on it and
no one can figure it out. But it's not a star and it's not a planet, and it's not a balloon, and it's not a plane, and it's something you know that people baffled. And those ones show up over and over again, and lots of people take the same ones. And you know, then we have other ones that are I'm sure you're familiar with this, the one that night that are just a certain color of red that it looks kind of like a flare, but it's not a flare that moves.
Look, those are reported, you know, all over the valley. It's one of the most common ones. But what I do is I use the Peters Dabbin for its website with you know, the Arizona page, because you can see, you know, a lot of common you know, flaps that happen in each air yea of the certain kinds of UFOs I'm telling you about. Like you'll see a flap of these white ones over a period of time, and then you'll notice at night that the red ufo and people describing its
the same same thing. I don't know if you ever go through the Arizona page on the Davenport side, but it'll give it gives you kind of aware, an awareness of where to look for them. If you want to tape these things a video, you know, or have an investigation in a certain area. We use Peter Davenport page back in nineteen ninety seven when I was running a different site with another guy, another investigation UFO investigator that's out of
the field right now. The website doesn't exist anymore either. A lot of people that are listening probably know exactly what I'm talking about, But we use the Davenport side to pinpoint and videotape multiple red light sidings through ninety eight, all the way through like here two thousand and one, and we had a few news investigators that were out there, and this was on Channel ten,
Channel twelve, Channel five, This was on all the channels. But you know, so Arizona goes through these waves of flats and this was not really the Phoenix license to them at all. This was multiple signs for Gilbert Chandler
Mesa. So yeah, it's if there's patterns, and there's waves, and there's you know, there's different types of side right, And that's interesting that you have used because that's then something that anybody out there could do, because what you're talking about is Peter Davenport's Newfork site and where they track UFO sightings for all over the country. You could do this with the move on one too, and and that way you can it's National UFO or know it's Sporting
Center. Yeah, the National UFO Reporting Center and what is it just new fuk dot net and UFO C I think new Fork, uh yeah, but anyway, that way you could look for trends to find out Yeah, new fork dot org and u f O rc dot org. You can track sightings in your area. And you're saying that way, then you can go nowhere to go to look for UFOs. And that's worked for you. It's that when people always ask me, how do you take some of the UFOs?
You know, where do you go to see all this? And I could, you know, tell you, you know, ninety nine percent of them. I just go out in my backyard and look around for a little while and and something will show up, you know. And you know, we does hundreds of hours of stuff that you know when you go through it, you know, you take the belt to the belt because a lot of stuff could be you know, we will a lot a lot of stuff too. When we shoot have skywatchers you know, you you start to you know,
figure out which ones are balloons or spider webs. A lot of stuff in early UFOs, A lot of videos turned out to be balloons or spider webs, and you know, these were a lot of these rods turned about out
to be insects and stuff like that. So you have to have a real skeptically and I've earned a real kind of rough reputation is being pretty critical on you know, any footage left alone my own and and you know you have to go over it and rule it out really before you can, you know, really tell people that it's something yeah, or even though exactly about it, because even when it turns out to be a true UFO that you've taped, you know, you still don't know what that what that thing is.
Now in the nineties, you said when you were doing the red UFO tracking that you talked to a lot of press and that they were interesting. Right. How did they react? Well, a lot of them were you know, honest, and they had good reports, and others they made the person have to be look like a crazy person or a fool. You know. I was working as a news editor actually during the time on a site called
UFO video dot Com. He doesn't exist anymore, and a guy that ran the site, Tom came, worked for him and it's kind of like little UFO news site with videos and all the guy watchers contribute their videos and stuff like that. And Tom was like where the tooled on. One of the Channel twelve did a whole story about the red light sightings and they did an interview on comm and they completely fueled them and called them crazy and everything.
And shortly after that, you know, he pulled the plugs on his website and kind of got out of the fields. I don't know why, but it could have could have been because of poor news reporting, but it seemed like they opened up a little bit to the Phoenix lights. Over the years, if you notice, the reporting on it hasn't been so skeptical and they don't really call as crazy as you know, as much as they used to, so maybe the words getting out that it could be you know, something
to it. Mm hmm yeah. Interesting. Yeah, And you do have to have thick skin definitely in this field, especially when you're dealing with the press. I know you've experienced that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. They a few uh few local newscass that I've been on. I've been
really good, uh you know, real good stories with my footage. But then there's been a couple of them where they seem like, you know, it's gonna be really uh, you know, a really good article, a good show, and then they bring in a skeptic or a debunker to kind of debunk your I don't know if you saw that one from Channel Ten's kind of funny because this guy from the National Skeptics Association or something like that.
I've never even heard of a group that, but they featured my footage on there, and then they bring this guy in and he said that one of my videos looked like a sky diving planes, which is completely ludicrous because if you look at the footage, you know, they were showing what he said and then showing the footage. They were like almost making fun of what he said, like they were more on my side, and the way they ended the clips of the news in my videos, they were making me and my
footage more believable than the skeptic, like turning the story on him. Wow. So he got in a few jabs at first, but then all of a sudden they slammed them with all these you know, great footage, you know, saying yeah, you know there's something to it, because otherwise, you know, we wouldn't have all this video of this. But you know, so, well, that's pretty cool. Have you found that you've been able to convince other people, other skeptics or other people who you were surprised
that you were able to convince with your video? Oh yeah, there's there's always people that are impressed with the video, But what makes them a believer is actually showing them, you know, that they can see stuff themselves if they really wanted, you know. But I also wanted to mention I got a you know. Of course, I don't know if you mentioned that I was my website UFOs or Phoenix dot com. But I have a new website
that's only a few months old. It's called UFO Footage dot net. And there is a new DVD on there of a few skywatchers that I know that has been kind have been sending me footage, some really good footage over the last like ten years, and I was able to make this video and uh sell this. It's also it also has on the website, it's got various uh UFO download clips from all over the world from different sidings, from you
know, different places. So I'm kind of building that side up a little bits as a new you know, a new forum for different UFO topics and stuff like that. There's a there is a chat form there for people that want to discuss uh, you know, UFOs and stuff like that. Too cool. Yeah, and someone was asking, you know, where can I see more of these videos? And UFO Footage dot net is where they can
go. Yeah, and if you wanted to see all my uh you know video downloads that I you know, not all of them, but you know quite a few of them. There's about seventy of them if you go to UFOs over Phoenix dot com and then it's the second button down where it says Jess UFO Footage. So you go there and there's a lot of clips you
can download. I have so many to you know, I like to put up another couple hundred, but you know, it takes so much time, and then I have plenty of bandwidth to do it, and you know, with some much site, I have enough space on there to do it. So eventually, a little at a time, you know, keep checking back because you know, I almost got one hundred downloads just on that one page. So uh, you know, when I get some time, I'll be able to put another thirty or forty up there here, and then it's keep
checking back. I wanted to ask about the Phoenix fights also, so I don't I don't know if you ever are getting footage of that, but where were you and uh, how did because you were in the area at that time? Right, Yeah, we take some words there was there was lots of reports in the South Mountain area of lights that we're in that area.
But the March thirteen thing is a whole other thing all together, because you know, originally the Maryland National Guards said that they dropped flavors over the very Goldwater Range at ten o'clock, and then a whole group other people said, no, that's not what we saw. We saw a triangular shaped object at
eight o'clock earlier that night. So you have two different events going on, and one of them very well could have been the flares over South Mountain at at ten o'clock, and the other thing was the tribal that people saw earlier at eight that didn't even go over towards South Mounta. They went a different trash. So there is a you know, a military base back there behind South Mountain. There's go Water Range and they do drop flares all the time
back there, So you know, have you seen that before? Have you
seen them dropping flares? Yeah? Yeah, we actually did a we had some reports of of of stuff back there back in think it was like eight nineties, ninety eight or ninety seven, and we went out and with this old website that I was working with, we went out and did an investigation on Maracopa Road back there behind South Mountain, and sure enough, we were able to videotape the military dropping flares just south of there from Baillier Fairy Goldwater.
As a matter of fact, a couple of them were right over us on Maracopa Road, which is off of the military base, and we've put eye power on it and we saw the parachute and everything off of them.
That's what I was thinking, because I mean, very Goldwater is pretty far from South Mounta and you have in between Indian reservation, so they might it was definitely on the entering reservations because we were right on Miracopa Road and we just we were on the north side of Americopa Road, and the flare with in the desert right over our heads, and so they're definitely off targets. So, you know, I don't understand, you know, why they're doing
that or what the diversion is. Do you have any idea. I heard a few theories about how how military planes drop a lot of the cargo and stuff like that, or just to get rid of it. No. I mean, I've heard of only when there's like trouble and they need to lighten their loads. But I certainly haven't heard of that like purposely over any populated or non military areas, because you'd think they would get in a lot of
trouble for that. Someone could get hurt. Yeah. I heard a pilot say that sometimes the military jets and planes they unload all their flares sometimes just you know, just just to get rid of them. I don't know, I can see him doing that for fun, because I know they do a lot of goofy stuff just for fun. I mean a lot of these guys are pretty young, and just like anybody gooping around at work, that they'll
do that kind of thing. Yeah, but that was a continuing occurrence because we were getting reports on the Hercopa road and we went out there twice, and there was another incident that ended up being flares too, and that was out by white tanks out there. We're getting through reports in a certain area and we sat up and we saw some flares. So, you know a lot of people think that those or flares you know, or you know those flares, you know, the the dropping our people think they're orb in UFO.
It's especially right there by South Mountain if you have that perfect you know, the spot where everybody're you know, looking for him right there. And that's not to say that what people are seeing over there and taping aren't UFOs, because of course we've had a long running of UFOs and interested in military
basis over the years too. So now, one of your videos from May of two thousand and five is a pretty popular one where it looks like in over a mountain some lights in a cloud that kind of go on and off. And this is a video that people can go watch on that footage page of Jeff's at ufosover Phoenix dot com. Now that I guess, yeah,
do some people say that's flares? And where was that? Well, that was over on Pinnacle Peak in like fifty ninth Avenue there's a little park up there at Thunderbrook Park and there's a little hiking area, and we went up there and we were doing investigation again from a person that was seeing lights near
his house, which is right in that area. So we went up in the mountain then right there and we were having a little interview about his sighting that he had and he had some good video too that was very similar to what I shot up there. And so after he was done with his interview, all of a sudden, those lights show up and I just zoomed in
and was lucky enough to get the footage. And then right after the footage went away and we saw what the F fifteen's come in from a different direction and kind of circle the air and then leave like they had were interested or had seen those objects. And the other person that was with me at the time was Pad Uskert from UFO Hunters. I've don't know that, yeah, but uh, the reason why he was up there is because we were shooting
the pilot for UFO Hunters. We were doing a documentary series which would have
which actually ended up becoming UFO Hunters. So it was kind of unique because here we're doing a documentary which was going to be a two hour DVD that we were going to release on Fat Side in My Side, and uh, when he got back to LA and edited the the DVD together, Uh, he broke it up into a few different parts and called the UFO Road Trips and they put it, you know, on a DVD and took it over to a History channel, and uh, they decided that him and Bill fat
tut Bill Burns over there and they decided to do the series based on our our our pilot. Yeah, that was yeah, so that was kind of cool how that turned out. But people say, you know, skeptics will say those are just flares, you know, being dropped out of a military
plane or something like that. Well, the only problem with that is is over you know, the area that that's over is all houses and there's no It's like he was saying before, you know, at least when we did our investigation on Maricopa Road, the flares were over the Indian Reservation where there's
no houses. It was all open deserts. It's nothing there. So I don't really see, you know, how they could drop those flares over those houses because they're all neighborhoods, they're all you know, houses from miles and
mild, So are you allowed to do something like that over houses? So I don't think so, So I called them the next day, Luke Air Force based the next day, and and Pat turned on the camera and videotaped me talking on the phone to Luke, and they said that they didn't drop flares in that area, and they don't know what I saw, but they said they were running routine training flights, and so I guess that would explain that jets that flew, you know, and circle the area after the lights
appeared. But to me with it on the video, it looks like the lights are disappearing from one part of the sky and then reappearing in the other part of the sky, as if they're going so fast they're like streaking across the sky. You almost see like a streak if you look real close, like a blind fat like that fast. So they look like individual objects too, they do. It doesn't look like one like first you think that it's a triangle shape object. It's all one craft and maybe it can become that
with those lights all connecting together. But the way that I see it, after years of studying that and looking at that, it looks like they're individualize, like four four what starts out as four lights, and then one on the right disappears and another light reappears on the far left. So it's almost like it's you can almost see the streak, you know, like I was saying before, Yeah, it's a really cool video. I've always really liked
this video. I'm looking at it again now and because it is so mysterious and like, like you said that they don't last long. I mean that they appear and disappear in a row and one you know, further out.
So yeah, when it all disappears, Yeah, I was just gonna say, when they all disappear, then all of a sudden, it appears way far away up into the right, up I mean up into the left, and you know the screen, you know, all of a sudden, like it's like what in the world, you know, and you don't see any blinking lights above where those lights are, like the airplanes dropping places where you can't say them. You don't. You don't see that really, you know.
So I don't know what I mean people could it doesn't. You can't drop plays over the houses, I know that, And you can't release what shafe I've heard another person say that it could be shaf h you know, are you familiar with that stuff from Yeah, but definitely that you don't want to be dropping over neighborhood. Yeah, you don't do that. I don't know, especially in Phoenix, Whi's dry like that in the middle of prior season. You know what else is exciting about this video because I didn't know
exactly where it was before. Is that what you videotaped there probably could be seen from Fort McDowell. We're going to have our SkyWatch coming up here next month. Oh yeah, that's that's great. I can't wait. Yeah, it's kind of not too far from that area. Yeah, it's going to be real fun to do that. And I'm looking forward to showing a lot of video clips that we're talking about tonight and hopefully people will will uh,
we'll really see maybe you can get to see something out there. And I was second before, you know, maybe this thing will show up again. Now when you go out looking, and it sounds like you go out for long periods of time, which makes sense. Now, do you what is your success rate? I guess well it comes in waves, it's very and sea in seasons too. Which is kind of weird. Usually I start usually
after March is usually the best time. During the day coming up, you know, right now is not really good time because I notice different for day sidings anyways, nighttime sightings. I have seem to have better luck this time a year for night sightings, but during the days just doesn't seem to work out this time of year. And I don't know know why, but the days sightings start getting doneter after March, and the night sightings, you know, I only get you know, maybe one a year at you know,
anyways of those. So it's just kind of spirit. It's sporadic. You never really know when you're gonna get get it gets you know. Video the latest one night siding is actually really a good triangle triangular siding that I have, and it's on ufosurfinished dot com the homepage, and it's the new video called two nineteen two thousand and ten. It's right under the race droop Wich Mountain h Van. Right underneath that you'll see where S. Jeff shoots to
nineteen twenty ten. But this is a night like triangle peace And like I said, I get a really good nighttime triangle like once a year. I mean that's that's if I'm lucky you get two. You know, those those don't come around a real good ones like that don't come around to off. So, like you were saying before, the great istio of time you put into it before you, it pays off. It's quite a bit of skywatching for night footage. For day footage, it's not like that. For day
footage. You can go outside and look at the sky for about four or five hours and you should be able to see at least one unexplained high altitude uh you know phenomenon, or even a low altitude one, but generally they're more high altitude during the day. And when you get like high power video lenses and stuff like that on these things, you can see there's no strings, you know, the true you know, UFOs turned out to be either
white or black object with no string or anything attached to it. And they appear to be kind of a fuzzy structure, like even though you have a defined video in the jug, it it's like kind of stock and fuzzy the structure of these objects. And I don't know really why that is. Maybe
it's just how it shows up on video. But when they're closer, you know, the more they're more metallic looking, where you get like a real hard edge of you know, a few of my videos on my video page of the black objects or like that, you'll know, the cell they appear to be like metallic looking, you know, and then others are more like like I said before, soft like almost like a blurry surface, you know.
Yeah, I've had myself, actually on two occasions, sightings of the really high white UFOs that looked like just tiny balls that are really hard to see during the day. But yeah, that seemed very high in the air. So I've seen that too. The ones that you say are fairly common.
In fact, I knew someone who took videos of that a couple of times, and I was skeptical when she first told me she took a lot of these videos, and then I saw them and I thought they were interesting, and you know, lo and behold, she was able to take me out and after a few days we were able to have her own sighting. Right at least I was able to have a sighting with her of that,
So that was pretty cool. But like, really I was just gonna Mentionine, we you know, back in ninety seven, ninety eight ninety nine. My first couple of years with the video camera, we I documented you know,
I got like ten VHF tapes full of video. You know that I was transferred from a camera of daylight sightings and uh, a lot of them turn out to be caught and real high up and some of it turns out to be balloons of course, and a lot of them well you see, you see like an object that looks like a boomerang or something like that high
in the sky. And with lots of times with the high power, we discovered a lot of those objects of balloons died together from like a car logs or something that you know, somebody just bought the brand new car or something, but you know, and they let But so we noticed with other videos coming in through that time period that there was a lot of misidentifications too.
So when you really go through this stuff with the fine toos comb, you'll find that people do shoot the real boomerang, daylight objects and the and see
the real orbs too. But when you get tons and tons of video, you know, you have to really look at every single frame and you know, try to be skeptical and rule it out before you can say Yeah, that's definitely really you know, because I, like I said, I you know, we shot me and other skywatchers shoot a lot of stuff that we go through and you know, after we weeded all out, there's the real thing. So it is there is something there, but there is also a
lot of people that that you know, that they're seeing other stuff. And that's good though, because you're gonna see when like you're saying, your friends, he's got probably quite a few real uh UFO images and when you're skywatching a lot, you're going to get the other stuff too. So that's stuff a good thing. It just means you're out there getting what you get exposed
to get. Now your experience with fact or fake. They essentially came out here and looked at some of your video and then tried to reproduce some of it, and that's what you were part of, right, Yeah, exactly exactly, And I was, well, it was kind of scary because I
didn't really know what the show was all about, Suius. When these guys called and and they're like, yeah, we want you to do you know, we've seen your video on other you know, shows and all that stuff, and we want, you know, you to do this show, and I know the executive producers that kind of talking into it. But you know, because he's done some other you know shows. But you know that I was on before is that Ben Hansen, No, Bob, Bob Kiva,
OK. Yeah, And I was on you know that, I was on the amp Mobile video with Paranomen News with April Scott, which was Bob's production. And then I was on the World's Best Evidence Connent tape, which was Bob's production, and I realized he was part of the factor fake. Yeah, yeah, he is. He's a content producer. So if he calls me and he says, I'm with this show from sci Fi and we want to have you on the show. And it was a great you know, it's great, Bob, thanks you. I'll do my third show for Bob,
you know. And so I didn't know it's too much about it, and I thought it was, you know, another one of these UFO documentaries, you know. And so they do the shoot and I knew they were going to you know, you know, try to see you know, what
it was. You know. I knew that part about it, you know, So that didn't really bother me too much because I had done a show a couple of years before this show called EXE Testures that was on Discovery Channel, and the host of that show was actually Gilligan Son from Gilligan Silence. Patrick Yeah, Patrick Denver was. Patrick Denver was the host show with some other guy, and their their show was very similar. They went out and tried to fake footage, and my footage was on that one they tried to
fake and it didn't work. And so I wasn't too worried about it with this other show because you know, it was the same video cliff that the other guys tried to you know, try to find you know, how they how it was done, and they couldn't do it, so you know, you know, why not, you know, And so but when I did see the show on TV, I noticed that it was a lot more that I took a big risk because I didn't realize how serious this show, you
know, these people were to actually calling out someone and actually finding if it's fake, actually come out and actually debunk them and actually destroy that personal career, so to speak. Because I'm sure that after watching the show for these last few seasons, you've seen a lot of footage and a lot of people's
careers go up in flames because of these the show and these people. You know, so when they've vindicated my footage and they couldn't you know, they couldn't fake it, and and you know, they they basically even at the end, had my voice on what they call a lie detective test or a stress voice analysis, and they concluded that I was telling the truth through my whole interview and what I shot was not faked and it was definitely something unknown.
And while they were trying to fake my footage, they actually videotaped real UFOs too in the same area that I shot my footage. So I kind of vindicated the whole case. And it was the first episode of the season of brand new season, you know, the you know Permie episode. So it kind of was great because you know, that footage was also featured worldwide on Coast to COASTAM with Art Bell, and that footage was also, like I said, on X testers that didn't become too wildly a popular or broadcast
at at times. So this new shows I got a little bit more teeth and a little bit more viewership. Actually, right, Yeah, I think it was really exciting for people. I I think people were skeptical about the
show and the concept of the show to debunk things. And you have television shows like MythBusters where at the end a lot of times it comes down to not necessarily proving or disproving, but kind of their own gut reaction that well, we pretty much proved it, so we pretty much debunked it, you know, no, and it's it's no grayer, it's black or white, debunked or not. And they'll call it debunked when they haven't completely done that. And then with your footage, well, oh go ahead, oh,
just with your footage. You know, you were kind of wondering how they were going to call it because they were really trying hard to reproduce this, and then they couldn't do it, and then boom, and then they got their own video. Well, the funny thing about it is is I didn't read when I did it, you know, I didn't you know, I thought that it was going to be you know, you know UFO related, you know, to the point where they're out there to prove that there's UFO
is not disprove them. So I was going into it thinking something different. And then also at the they do something a little bit different than MythBusters. I think I haven't seen MythBusters too many times, but with factor faced what I was saying before, at the end of the show, they put my voice on a light attective, right, So they almost try to do a personal attack if they can get one. And I mean, I've seen a few of these guys. Did you see the Jonathan Reid episode with the stake
aliens. I didn't. Oh, well, they put him on the light detector and they just tore them up. They put it instead of you know, like they did with me on the show. How they they bring up the light sector stuff after they presented the case. That's pretty much being real, you know, but with him, But with him, they wanted to
counter his lies right as soon as he said them. So they set up the machines that when he said all Ie, it lit up that he was lying, and then they came back with a responsor like why did you say that? It's this machine saying that you're on right now, And so it was like more even more of a personal attack. So they're getting like more, I think they were getting more vicious that show, like really trying to debunk all the all the hoaxes out there, and that's a good way,
that's that's good. But on the bad end of it is what if what you tape was real and they duplicated almost perfect and then debunked you on television and the facts remained that you would still tape the real, genuine, bonafide you up o. Ye. Just because you can fake something doesn't mean that what you thought wasn't real or that a great point too, because especially with
you know, uh the garage uh special effects that can happen. You know, a kid with a nice computer, you know, my MacBook right here, with some good uh software, I could get and create some cool special effects if I knew how to do that. Unfortunately it don't. And you can fake a lot of people like those videos the UFO Haiti video out we were talking about earlier, that happens. That doesn't mean that every UFO video is fake out there. Just because you can create a fake UFO video.
Yeah, I'm not sure fact or fake it deals with that. I'm sure. You know, every episode you see, they always bring up one or two CG glips and they're like, ah, give me a break, you know, which you know that you know that's a fake from a mile away. You know, Yeah, I know that. My buddy check Sukowski was on the show talking about cattle mutilations and he was really frustrated because they did
come up with kind of a cheesy answer, you know that one. Yeah, they attempted to actually brush the entire phenomenon on the RUD with this ridiculous explanation because they can't really account even though it could that could that could you know, punch a hole in a lot of cases, It can't solve the ones where you have h trace cases on this this animal from from high feed and other stuff. You know, so there is some some different research that
that proves that there's something to it. Uh, that's definitely unknown for sure,
right, and got all that information. Yeah, that's one I really want to press him on when we are supposed to have Ben Hansen from the show on soon and he's going to be at the conference, and I want to really ask him about that one and kind of champion that cause there, because yeah, they were they talked about skin breaking and and bloating and and of course that's not a precise cut, nor does it explain the organs that are removed. So also, and did you notice get the show where they
did try to pick the moon landing. Did you see that episode? Okay, Well, their whole point wash was, you know, at the end, do you think it was fake? None of them would say it was fake. They all thought it was real, that the landing was real. So on one end, they know that they you know, and they faked it pretty good. It looked almost identical to it. So on one hand, they also know that it's just because they can fake something doesn't mean something,
you know, it isn't real. At the same time, right, they weren't there to go out on the limb and call that a hoax, and I think that that would probably end their career if they did that too, So yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That's a really good point too, that even though they reproduced the moon landing video, they they didn't call it a hoax like they're doing with some of the other stuff.
So pretty interesting that show, And I think you did you know? It was pretty risky to go on that show, And but it's it's great the way it turned out because better They actually want me to do another one for their fourth season. Their third season is going to air here sometime in March. You're coming up and they want me to do a shoot for the fourth season already and and come on there again. And I'm I'm kind of kind of nervous system. Yeah, I don't know if it will happen or not,
but I'll keep you updated and informed on that. Yeah. No, I think for them, they're they're so excited about the footage, the UFO footage that they got because I had talked to him even recently, and they're just so forward and excited about that that I think that you're you're pretty special to him that they hold you in high regard. Now after that, oh thanks, you know, I just try to, you know, capture the
best, you know, that's one thing with with videotaping UFOs. For me, it's always been trying to top the last or best you know, cliff that I had. I'll be trying to get a better clip, you know, and that's fretting much. How I've documented so many different syts of you know, clips, and you know, I did notice that, you know, more people are seeing them, you know, it seems like than before. But at the same time, my videotape footage is kind of paper down
over the years. I you know, instead of tapering, uh, maybe twenty or thirty a year, you know, I've come down to maybe only like, you know, five or ten a year, you know, for some reason, I don't know really why that is. The just they just don't seem to be as much as how it used to be. Well, now that I'm really in this field too, I have not had a signing
for quite some time. It kind of seems similar, and I often wonder, I mean, it's pretty far out there kind of concept, but if there is sort of because I've seen some correlations that are that seem to be more than just coincidence in that, you know, possibly sightings happen around groups of people are for people who just have to be exposed to this sort of thing more than others like you and I, who who already understand that these
things are around and have had our experience, so we don't need it as much as others. Possibly. Yeah, everybody in the UFO field starts out in the UFO field differently, and they're involved for different reasons and have different experiences than other people. So everybody in there that's so to speak, bit by the UFO bug. A lot of times it becomes like a major obsession.
And the people that videotape and take pictures of the UFOs, that's when their posession just you know, they watched so much this guy, you know, so much that they actually were able to prove themselves right by just having an interest. That's the thing about the UFO phenomenon is the UFO phenomena and will find you if you just take an interest in it. I mean, it's like a living, freezing thing. I mean, these you know, entities will come to you if you show an interest. That's all they're looking
for, you know. Yeah, I kind of feel that way, you know, because I had been in this arena researching for quite some time before I had my first sighting. But then I did, and then I had some regular sightings for a period of time that where sometimes pretty exciting. Now, which of your video clips is your favorite? Well, I got lots
of favorites. I kind of I like the I like the one if you go to my video page, you know, you know, the UFOs are Phoenix dot Com Flash Jeff Slash footage downloads, you know, the one off of my homepage on just stucond button down you can go scroll down a little bit, and I like this new newer crust a white object. It's a cluster that I shot in two thousand and nine. It's one thirty one,
two thousand and nine. It's one of my most recent clusters that I shot, and I kind of like that because I hadn't shot a cluster for quite a few years. In the last cluster I shot was black, well, they were black UFOs. They want white ones. And I kind of liked
that one because it's a multiple signings. And then one of my favorites is if you scroll down, it's four twenty, two thousand and six, and that's a knife peep of night footage too, and I really like that one because the lights do really amazing stuff and they they move different and it's really neat because that signing starts out of two white lights at night, and one of them disappears, and then all of a sudden, three or four lighted
objects seem to be it's being ejected from that last light, like all of a sudden, four lights appearing, and as each light is peering, and it looks like if you look real closely at it looks like each new light that's coming on is being ejected out of this single light that was left over, you know, from the from the beginning of the siding one that's actually two lights, so it shapes itself into like a boomerang shape of lights after
that, and then it gets real bright right at the top and then the entire thing just goes out and disappears. So I really like that one. That's kind of neat. And of course the one you were talking about, the May twelfth one, that's really a great piece too. But it's a cool one, especially as a lighting because it's that kind of twilight and it's got a kind of food there. It's kind of seems overcast, and yeah, I like that one. Yeah, And there's a few of them where
I got where that were. It actually shoots another one out at the bottom of it down if you scroll down to the near the bottom of those videos, it's ten five two thousand footage and it shows a wide object that jacks another object out. And I've gotten a lot of those over the years, but they're very, very unusual though, because you don't really know what to think about that. Oh I remember that one now that I found it.
Yeah, that one a really weird one. That's a neat one, and then there's some couple newer ones, one on ten eighteen, two thousand and eight, even though that was just a couple of years ago. Those were tape that was taped at one of my newer those that I've lived in recently, and that's kind of a lower That's a good signing because it's like a low us what you know, you'll see at the end of the video how
of the UFO is low towards the bottom of the house almost. I mean it's like we'll almost landing or something, but it's far away, you know, so it's kind of hard to see what it is. But all right,
well, thank you so much for being on the show. We're pretty much out of time, and if people want to come say hi and see some of these videos, we're going to keep You're going to be at the Congress at our at our SkyWatch and then I will and also I'm gonna I'm also going to be bending there as well, right perfect there in our vendor area all week, and then you need to come out to my house Americape. I got great skies out there and we'll do some skywatching, so that'd
be great. I get reports for America, but all the time, a couple of times a month. We'll definitely have to plan it. That'll be fun. Mine's crew. Well, thanks Open mind, good Morrin and all you guys, and look forward to seeing you guys out there this year. All right, thank you very much. Cool, We will see you there. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Thanks Jeff. Coming up next week, I don't know either ros Hamsworth hopefully or another great guest, so
stay tuned and we'll get that information up on the website soon. We are out of time. Thank you for listening to the show tonight, and thank you for listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit openminds dot tv for more news. Talk to you next week. Hush h