Welcome to Open Mindes Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to Open Minds Radio. You heard that right. It is nine pm and one
hundred and two degrees here in Arizona. I'm sure some of you are freaking out running around in circles with your arms waving above your head to hear that. But actually, you know what, I'm loving it out here. I love all the sunshine. So all of you concerned people who are always saying, how do you do it? Man, It's not that bad. Really, well, it's not like I'm gonna go for a bike ride where I's talking with someone else. Not going for a bike ride. Tonight a little
too hot for that. But it's perfect to be indoors listening to the radio or in your car with your AC listening to open minds, especially tonight because our guest is my superb cousin, Jason Cordova, And that's really cool because he has been my partner in paranormal investigation for a long time at least, you know, after he got out of the Navy and after he deprogrammed his mind a little bit from the Navy and then got you know, back into
school and got into the swing of things. And it's pretty cool because what he then did at the college you just graduated from with a degree in aerospace operations, which is pretty cool. That's just a cool name. Aerospace operations. Now, if you're going to work in like if the star Trek world, in the engineering area of the enterprise, that's the kind of degree you
got to get, I think from Starfleet Academy. He didn't go to Starfleet Academy though, he went to Metro State College, and as I was saying, when he was there, he started up a paranormal group called the Cryptoscience Society. He says, it's an organition organization dedicated to the study of unusual phenomenon. Actually now he's since he's founded it, but he's graduated. He's an alumni and he's trying to help get this group throughout the country, and
they were actually very successful. One thing that he noted, which everybody notes in this field, is that there aren't very many younger people in paranormal research. I was shocked when I went to my first MOOFON meeting and it was like an ARP meeting. No offense to the people my mentors and colleagues who I love. I mean, everybody's over fifty years old. That's a fifty
sixty and above. And I'm not kidding a lot. You know, the curve the middle age is up there, so everybody wants to get the younger kids involved, and Jason identified that, but he went about it in a way that was just a little different from I think what people normally want to happen. And we'll talk about that, how he was successful, why, and I'm sure he's going to be successful in getting a network going throughout colleges
and universities to actually already talk to some people to do that. So we'll talk more about that. We'll talk more about paranormal investigations we've done, and all kinds of cool stuff like that coming up in just a minute. Also, for those of you who don't like commercials. Quit whining because that's how people make money. But your winding work because I hear you personally, I
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lot on your show. So that's gonna be really cool as usual, and we'll have a commercial coming up on it, I'm sure. With the UFO Congress coming up, I'm always talking about that. I'm just so excited we've confirmed the SkyWatch that we're gonna be doing out in the desert in this incredible location here in Arizona. And after a Friday night Franks where Native Americans come and tell some stories. It's just fun get together thing for the whole community.
After that, you know where, we got bonfires, We're eating hot dogs, we're drinking beer after that. I don't drink much so and I'm not gonna drink neither is Jason rink because we're gonna eat a hot dog either. I'm not gonna eat a hot dog because I'm a vegetarian. But after all of that fun, we're gonna SkyWatch and look for some UFOs and I'm pretty sure we're gonna see them. We're gonna have stand roman X some other
abductees, and we may even see somebody get abducted. That would be the first time someone's been filmed abducted that I would know that would be incredible, So come make that happen. Help us make that happen. You can find out more about the gear Congress at ufocongress dot com that's going to be in late February, or go to our website, but without further ado. Every day on Open mindsack TV, practically we've got news headlines from conventional news around
the world because UFOs is a big story around the world. Are news correspondent Jason McClellan is here to tell us all about it. Greeting Zalehandro, Hello Phoenix, and Hello world. This is your Open Minds news brief for Monday, August twenty third, twenty ten. Several British travel companies are trying to
push something a little different, UFO tourism. The unusual new marketing effort by travel companies hopes to transform destinations with frequent UFO activity into money making tourist destinations for UFO hunters. Regular UFO activity in Cyprus has the location being pushed by the travel companies. Other places known for UFOs have been successful at becoming tourist destinations. Roswell, New Mexico. So the idea of UFO tourism isn't a
new one, but it seems to be gaining in popularity. In fact, the Travel Channel just even aired a special about Area fifty one in Nevada. Yeah, that Travel Channel. It's funny. They have a lot of really cool shows. I mean, paranormal is a travel a tourism type of thing. There's lots of hotels and staff for ghost hnding and things like that,
so it works. I mean, rachel Nevada, their Area fifty one would probably have nobody there if it wasn't for Area fifty one, right, And like you said, the hotels with the ghosts, I mean that's very popular all around Arizona. There are a lot of yeah, popular hotels for that. We always seem to have UFO Siddings to report from the UK. Here's another siding from last week. A mysterious orange fiery globe was observe observed above
Edmonton. The woman who reported the object described it as a ball of fire moving with no noise. It was not moving quickly, but the woman said it was definitely propelled and not simply floating. UFOs had been sighted in the same area lately. It was kind of said with this particular sighting, though the witness she specifically stated when she gave a report that she didn't want her
name given for sure of ridicule. That said, that's really sad. You know, I had an investigation with a police officer who had this incredible sighting and he almost wouldn't give me his information to contact him back because he had had this incredible bigfoot sighting where they put it on a television show with his name, and he asked not to have his name because he was a police officer. He didn't want people making fun of him, so it had a
real negative effect on his life back then. We hear a lot of that working in this field, you know, or fortunate to work in the field that we do. It's interesting because when you talk to people, you meet people for the first time where he's in conversation and people find out what field we're in, then all of a sudden, they feel comfortable. And it seems like so many people come out with their own experiences, their own sightings,
their own stories. They finally feel that they can tell somebody without being ridiculed because they know that this is what we do every day right right, and they don't want to share it with the general public. Right, hopefully that'll change. Yeah. The San Diego Air and Space Museum is currently hosting an exhibit entitled The Science of Aliens. The exhibit is broken into four areas,
Alien Fiction, Alien Science, Alien World, and Alien Communication. Unfortunately, the alien fiction area of the exhibit features content don donated by the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, New Mexico, which gives the impression that the Roswell incident was fiction. I find that kind of odd, and it's interesting that the International Museum would donate staff because obviously they take Roswell very seriously. I wonder if they knew they were going to put it in the
fiction section. I somehow doubt that they did. I know that it seems very very odd. I mean fiction, you'd put Star Trek and Star Wars, right, and that's what Some of the exhibit was, propitible movies and things like that. Granted, they had some footage there I think from the alien autopsy and things like that, but they also had this stuff donated by
the museum, which was an odd placement. I thought, Yeah, so that is a traveling exhibit and it's been around the world, including Paris and Tokyo, and the San Diego Airspace Museum is hosting it through the end of the year. But that's kind of cool that an exhibit like that is in just a normal museum. Yeah, and then they did have some positive stuff, right, I mean, the guy who wrote the story, I think
even wrote that the Roswell stuff was a little convincing. As Nick Pope, former Britain Ministry of Defense, has stated many times, UFO reports in UK sorry are on a record high. Knowing this, it comes as no surprise to see newspapers in Halifax and Calderdale announced that UFO sightings are on the rise in the area. The Evening Courier reported last week that more people are reporting seeing UFOs in the sky, and many of the witnesses describe very similar objects,
bright orange orbs or spears. Unfortunately, the behavior described by some of the witnesses makes these objects sound very much like Chinese lanterns. They're described as hovering in the sky for a few moments before disappearing all of a sudden. That's how Only a handful have been described, but that seems to be without actually seeing it. The description is very Chinese lantern like, which is something
that we're going to do real soon. We've got to get some Chinese lanterns and float them and videotape them so we could show people what they look like. Absolutely, I think it's very important for people to know these things, what things in the sky look like, so they can distinguish with themselves. And lastly, a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned a new book by Leslie Keen entitled UFOs On the Record Generals, pilots and government officials Go on
the Record. Leslie Keen will actually be appearing on The Kobert Report tonight at eleven thirty to talk about book. Our Arizona listeners might find it interesting to know that former Arizona governor Fights Siming Tension contributed to the book. Yeah, excellent. Hopefully I'll be on time when I get home to watch it me too. We're out of time for the first segment of the show. Stay
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You're listening to Open Mindes Radio with Alejandro Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back, sure enough. As soon as I say there's no commercials, someone in the chat says, what, I love commercials. I think they're a kidding, but either way, we'll add a couple of commercials to the upcoming show, just to make sure we've got all of our bases covered. I did want to mention also a couple of the cool things that we have at our website at Openminds dot tv. I always want to kind
of give you an update on some of the new stories. We have a couple stories on pilot encounters with UFOs from Russia, the USSR, and CIA is the Commonwealth of Independent States out there in the Russian area. And I say USSR because some of these sightings are back during the Cold War. So those are some really great stories. Also, I think I mentioned this before because it was new on the last show, a French aerospace report that endorses
the reality of UFOs. Really, out of all the countries out there, there are some that are supposedly releasing sanitized, you know, kind of UFO reports and they say there's nothing to UFOs and they're releasing their investigations, even though, like we've talked about the UK, they seem to really point towards a total issue safety issue with UFOs flying over air bases and things like that. But the French are actually doing investigations. They're the only country that is
not just releasing reports. They're officially and some of these aerospace companies are doing full on investigations. They've got budgets, they've got scientists, and they're doing some amazing stuff out there in France. So really France, the only country really taking this stuff on, So way to go France. Jason court of as our guest tonight, and I believe he is on the phone. Hello, Hello, Hello. How's it going pretty good? How are you not
too bad? Little warm out here? Otherwise doing pretty good? So it's cool to have you on the show. I know you've been talking about wanting to come on the show, and I've wanted to come on for quite some time, so it's fun to finally get you on here. Although you have been on before once when with the Stan Romanik Witness Show. I guess yeah, it was when you it was still with the UFO thinking oh before ops,
way back in the day, way back in the day. So I've talked about you know, first, let's talk about your degree in aerospace operations real quick. If you can kind of explain to people what that is. Does that mean that you are certified and to fly spacecraft? I wish know. Basically what my degree prepares me for is it's basically a project management logistics type of type of things, with a heavy background in the aerospace industry as
well as mechanical engineering. My minor with a heavy emphasis on the space aspect and commercialized space operations, specifically very Cool, which is an up and coming industry. Yes it is, which I know you keep a very close eye on. Try to well along with that, I was hoping you could share with us then your recent story of the class that you took with those if
you know what I mean. Oh yeah, the basically long story short, it's a class to learn how to use the updates on this powerful physics modeling program and it's used throughout the aerospace industry for primarily tracking satellites. A contractor buys a satellite, they put it up in in space, and they want to be able to deal with their spacecraft, so everybody uses the Boeing Lockey.
The Air Force Air Force Base coman and I was down there in Colorado Springs doing taking this class, and there were a number of Air Force officers there with US Air Force officers and analysted both and we had some off time and I was chatting with one female captain and she I had asked a question about their patch, as you know, and I don't know how familiar the listeners are with it, but the Air Force Space Command patch has this really
neat logo which the artwork is basically depicts a globe with some orbit, kind of like an orbit around the globe, with a silver or gray delta shaped object suspended in the center just above the globe. And I was asking their side of what the patch is supposed to mean, and one of the enlisted Air Force personnel explained that it was the it was supposed to represent the actual spacecraft. And I said, oh, really, that's interesting, like,
are there any spacecraft that actually look like that? And she paused and looked at the captain really quick, and the captain kind of chuckled and said, oh, we're not supposed to talk about that. Yeah, what a cool story. Yeah, And they changed the subject and we went on with the class. Because of course, you know, like you said, it's got that delta shape. There are also some stars that represent obviously satellites orbiting the
planet. But you know, you see in these space command logos is delta shape which seems to represent a spacecraft, but you know, nobody but NASA is supposed to be flying spacecraft. And you're like, you know, what the heck here people? So it's funny you asked, and it's an interesting
answer you got. Yeah, And that as another point to that even though NASA supposedly is supposed to be the only people flying spacecraft, it's obvious that I mean, the Air Force and the Navy and all the armed service branches do operate spacecraft, and in fact, a number of NASA missions are top secret military operations. Right. And you know, Michael Shratt, of course,
who you're familiar with, did some interesting lectures and move on. He does a great lecture recently and you can see one of his lectures online at open minds dot tv where he talks about black projects and some of these clear evidence back in the eighties, even these craft that could break orbit and all of a sudden, I mean next generation space shuttles where they just go totally black. I mean they had built these craft and then all of a sudden
their top secret. So obviously it seems like they're out there. So hopefully you'll get to work on when soon. That would be pretty cool. I also wanted to get into, of course, the cryptoscience society, and we don't have a whole lot of time, but you know what was a purpose in creating that, Well, the purpose really was to one to get young people involved in in the topics of just strange phenomenon in general. And two was to pay some academic attention to it, to bring research and studying of
this stuff into an academic life. Do you think you were successful in those two areas? I do whom and which one? Even the academic part. I really I think both. Actually, it's really impressed me with how successful it has been, at least at our school, and there is a little bit of so far. There's been some attention and some interest in some other schools nearby of founding their own chapters, but definitely the young people. It's
what the younger generation likes. Cool. Well, what we'll do when we get back from this break is we'll talk about specifics and the approach you took to each of those two points and how you got successful on both of those two areas. So stay tuned. We'll be right back talking more about the Cryptoscience Society. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher
and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. We're talking with Jason Cordova and started the to Science Society, a successful college paranormal research organization, and Jason I wanted to ask you, then, what did you see lacking in the like move on meetings sort of the paranormal meetings with the A RP group that you felt needed to be adjusted and that you did adjust to
to attract the younger group. Well, the interactivity I think would probably be the biggest thing that tends to be lacking with with a lot of those groups is just you know, particularly with younger people, you know you're not going to want to go and after especially school age type people aren't gonna want to go sit in class all day listening to lectures all day and then come and
spend their free time listening to another lecture. Even if it is a very riveting and exciting topic, it's not the best for attracting a new audience, and I think new people in general kind of solapprehensive to jump into that. So then you did something different with your meetings and so how did you structure them? Well, I think a benefit of being a smaller group, it
was able to flourish with the idea of just making it participatory. So all of the members basically took a turn every month researching a different topic of their choosing everything from the spring heel jack to mothman, phantom panthers, spontaneous combustion, things like that, taking turns, writing a two or three page research report on the topic, and then presenting it at the meeting to the other members, opening it up for discussion, and in addition to that, doing
interactive investigator training at every meeting too. That makes a lot of sense, you know. It's it's getting people involved. And I can see and this is the funny part, because I can see why the you know, researchers who have been in this for literally decades, they want because they've done research for decades, they want people to hear what they they've learned and discovered, as opposed to sitting down and talking with some kid who you know, they
don't think has been in this long enough to know anything. And that's the biggest rub, And it's kind of funny. It'd be humbling for the researchers, but it's important, I think obviously these younger people want to be heard and they want to talk about it. You don't want to just sit and listen. Well that and I think it's also very refreshing too. I think most of most of my student colleagues are coming from very different backgrounds and positions.
You know, not everybody's coming from a scientific background and not everybody's coming from just very different places. And the level of objectivity I think they're bringing to it, and just the difference of viewpoints that they bring to it opens
things up and you start asking different questions. You know, you tend to get pigeonholed in some of the conventional group thinking in you know that a phenomenon is a certain thing or it's doing a certain thing, because you know, we start to assume a lot and the students are bringing such new, refreshing ideas to it. It's just constantly reshaped and changing it. So, yeah,
that's the end. It reminds me of because I was, you know, taking classes even last semester before I came out to Arizona, and you know, in your classes you're supposed to debate. So one thing I was going to ask, which I'm sure it's similar to in a class, are people pretty civil with each other in in the meetings? Ye? Yeah, they tend to be. Definitely. Occasionally personalities get start bucking heads, but they are definitely very civil to each other. And in the end, everybody's
respectful. Did people really get involved and excited about the investigator training also? Yes, absolutely, that's that there's always more, uh, they always want more from it. That's probably why the ghost hunting gets so popular because so many people go out and actually do it, including which we did for the cryptoscience when for instance, it's is the one that freaks people out a lot.
When you were able to arrange for us to spend the night in a graveyard that supposedly had a lot of activity, Yes, and there was quite a group of people that went out there, and a lot of press coverage as well. Yes, that was actually I think our first formal expedition and expeditions are great because they really get allow people to get a hands on experience
with it. You know, you sit there all day and talk about you know, skills and researching and go talking to people interview with a witness. But when we've got a report of some real activity and we have an opportunity to assemble a team and go out there and and take it on firsthand, then then it's real and people are really excited to do that. And I
think we learned we learned a lot from that particular investigation. Yeah, do you think did you ever have situations where people went on some of these outings and got so freaked out they didn't come back, or did you did you find that at all? It's it's definitely the kind of thing that weeds out personalities that really don't have the discipline to be in it. I wouldn't say
that any particular phenomenon or any experiences freaked people out enough. I think it was more that they experienced the hard work involved and and didn't have the discipline to pursue it from that ah, but then were there. I'm sure there were also people that got inspired and excited to do more. Yes, yes, definitely one of my one of our most valuable members over the years, because Kevin Harris. He's he started out very reluctant, very very skeptical,
and experienced some things firsthand and hooked him, got him into it. He's in a theoretical mathematician and a renaissance man in general, and he he definitely was approaching it from a very skeptical objective view, and he heard some anomalous sounds when we were down in Nativily, and I think that got him that.
I'm hoping, Yeah, that's exciting because one thing that you know, for you listeners, you can check you can check the Cryptoscience YouTube page, right, I think you have it up there, because those were some of the coolest EVPs you know, I've ever heard in an investigation that you guys got there. Yes, actually they are. Well, there's the one that's my favorite EVP that I've ever heard of any investigation anybody's ever done, is the one that sounds to me like the Little Girls Sign. And yeah,
they are on the YouTube page. They're also on the Cryptoscience Society homepage. And actually Kevin did some really good and analysis on those particular EVPs and determined that they don't have echoes, which is particularly interesting, right, anything that happens in the physical universe, obviously, if you're making a sound, it should have an echo, especially down there in the bowels of Sativily where everything's stone and there's a lot of echoing down there. Yep, it's a it's
basically it's an artificial cave. It was designed that way in order to maintain the temperature of the beer when it needs to be a brewery and they were stored, so yeah, definitely phenomenalist sounds and anomalists lack of echo. So that's what I mean. If you were to give advice, it would seem like giving advice to any group out there, such as let's say move on,
because we're both very familiar with that. In getting younger people, they either if they don't do it in their regular meetings, they got to have an offshoot meeting where they create space for people to do some investigation on a training way and also have some communication like a forum. Let people talk with each other about all of this right absolutely, and and allow feedback. Let let let people, let people provide some suggestions, and if they have a
project or something in mind, let it go, let it happen. That's actually kind of you know. We we started out doing things fairly conventionally just to get the ball rolling and get some attention and recognition. We started we
had a lecture meeting once a month. As as people started getting more involved, we started getting some suggestions and one of the one of the women in the group, Sandra Has, she started bringing up her ideas of a class that she is to have and this this kind of open forum like research topic type of thing, and that was that was a lot of her idea and she pushed that. So listening to your people and allowing the suggestions to take form. Cool. Yeah, well, we got to take another break.
When we get back, we're going to talk more about the faculty and getting some of the academia involved with your investigation and how that evolved over time. We're talking to Jason Cordova about the cryptoso Science Society. We'll be back in a minute. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Balu Dupsha, Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All of a sudden,
I'm getting a little sentimental. This is the last segment I'll be doing here on camfin X. I'm going to miss the CAF and X. Kreuk is a are awesome. I really liked everybody here at CAMF and X. So want to get that in before I run out of time, because I always run out and say, oh yeah, I'm not. At the end of the show, Jason, they were talking about paranormal and the Cryptoscience Society. I wanted to ask about because I know you had this issue where you
had to find a faculty advisor, and that became a little difficult. How did that evolve? I mean, did you find problems, of course with people taking your idea seriously? Yes and no. At first, really the first incarnation of that was that I was fortunate enough that the Student Activities Office
was helpful and they agreed to what the director. The director agreed to serve as an interim faculty advisor until I could find someone just to get the ball rolling, and that took a little bit of searching, and then all of
a sudden, it just kind of happened. One day, ironically, the administrative assistant for the Aviation department agreed to serve as a faculty advisor, and the next thing I knew, I had faculty members from my own department coming up to me asking me questions about paranormal matters and kind of almost covertly, and they were kind of cautious, and they almost seemed a little bit embarrassed at first, and then reassured, and to the point where I actually have
had some faculty members going out and doing some investigations for us, you know, taken taking a a couple like a camera or something here and there to this bed and breakfast that they stayed at, and they wanted to check some stuff out and wanted to ask my opinion upon it. So, uh, definitely evolved and definitely did it served its purpose by by lending legitimacy and credibility.
Mm hmm. Now did you what was kind of maybe one of the more shocking instances where you had a faculty member perhaps come to you, uh and share and experience and change from you know, hesitant to enthusiastic. Well, I would probably use the example I was referring to as one of the one of the teachers in the aerospace department came to me, uh, saying, hey, I stayed at this bed and breakfast and I had these some some weird things happened to me. I was a bed and breakfast open and
has this park and he actually had the blanket pulled off of him. Uh, there was some I think there was some rustling. The window might have even opened. Uh, and uh, he was just freaked out and he was, you know, he's like, I'm a pilot. He was also an Air Force Reserve officer. And you know these people, they these kind of people there, they're nuts and bolts. They got to stick to their
guns and trust their instruments. So they go off data and he was shown some data and he didn't know what to do with it, so he said, what do I do? What should I do? If I go back again? I recommended he'd take a camera and just the basic stuff. I offered to let him borrow some equipment out of our out of our equipment walker and take it with him. He ended up just taking a couple uh the digital camera and took some pictures. Actually got got some alright ORB photos.
He didn't he wasn't too impressed with them himself. But he also went to the Stanley Hotel and and did some digging in there, and we debriefed and looked over the data afterwards. But that's pretty cool. Yeah, that was pretty neat. Did any of them share some UFO stories with you? Trying to remember? I'm I'm sure they have there, there's so many uh so, would you say then the faculty in general became pretty enthusiastic about what you're
doing? Yes, yes, actually they have. They acknowledged what I was doing and what was going on. And I think as as far as the UFO thing goes, I don't I didn't have any of the teachers sharing UFO encounters, at least none in the aerospace department. But I think they're still worried about that stigma. But I think his time will go. They'll they'll
loosen up a little more and then the newer generation. Though, I had a lot of fellow students that in the aerospace department and throughout campus that were very enthusiastic and wanting to share stories and things that like that. Yeah, that's pretty exciting. So now you're working on expanding it to whether universities or colleges, And you say you've had some response. Yes, a couple, just a couple mutual friends who happened to be attending schools at University of Colorado
and Boulder and CSU and four Collins. There was some interest, kind of friend of a friend said something about having some interest at Read's University, but that never actually panned out. But there is some definite interest at CSU and CEU. Oh, and now do you actually colleague with move on? An investigator is going back for grad school at DU and she wants to she wants to try to do something with it there. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
It's exciting. It's you know, it's something that of course is scientific as we know. So, I mean, there is certainly some help that could be gained from making student organizations. Like you said, these students become faculty, and once, like your experience, once the students take it serious, faculty then begins to get involved as well. Right, right. And the
fact that the student organization itself is an extension of the college. They're officially recognized by the institution, and that in and of itself lends a lot of credibility to what we do. And one thing leads to another. Oh no, somebody asked, what is the strangest thing you have ever seen? And I don't know that we have time for you to get into your stories, which I wanted to get into, because you've had a couple amazing stories.
Maybe what is the strangest one that you would say? And if you could quickly go through what happened the strangest experience I've ever had ye in my life? Yeah, what strangest thing you've ever seen? Well, it would probably
be my original UFO sighting when I was about ten years old. It was in the Rolling Fork Valley when we used to live up there and I saw what appeared to be five foot diameter glass ball with an amber colored light emine and get out of the center, zigzagged across the field across the river from our house, came and hovered by the window for a little bit and zipped off, zipped off up the river upstream. And then what'd you go tell
your dad? This was funny? Yeah? I went and told him there's this white outside, got to come see it, And he said, shut up and go to sleep. I said, well, if we wake up on Alpha Santari, it's not my fault. Well, we're out of time, so this is the last of our short shows. We'll have to have you on again, where we'll talk about the other experiences you've had and maybe some of our shared experiences that'll probably be really fun to go through. But
thanks for being on the show. What is the website for the Crypto Science Society. It's MSCD dot edu slash Tilda Crypto, but the best way to get to it is just Google Google Crypto Science Society. Thanks Jason. Join us next week, remember at seven pm at Openminds dot TV. We're gonna have George Weiler, a US Air Force officer who chased UFOs and was involved
with aliens being shot into Air Force base. So you're not gonna want to miss this seven pm next Monday, Openminds dot TV talk to you next week. People leaks thing you watch your feet cracks up? Uh, Aliens hob like a movies folks. Black