Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO radio show. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I am here with Senior Jason McClellan. That's right you are. How you doing, Jason? I'm fantastic, Alejandro. How are you today? Not too bad for a Monday? Excellent hot Monday out here in Senni, Phoenix. We're used to it. I know the East coast is getting lots of rain, but tough cookie, We've got sunshine,
all right. So we've had a lot of busyness going on. And I guess I'll first tell you about our guest for today, and that is James Gilliland. So he runs what is called the E SETI Ranch. I think that gets people get confused. There's ce SETI, there SETI, and there's SETI, and SETI is a scientific group. Ce SETI is Doctor Greer's group, and SETI is rammed by James Gilliland, and it stands for Enlightened Contact
with Extraterrestrial Intelligence. He runs the E SETI Ranch in at Mount Adams in Washington, where there's it's always been a hot spot for different paranormal stuff and UFOs and a lot of people who go out there see UFOs, including some TV shows that you've probably seen. They go out there and have sightings that are very interesting. He's got an interesting clip on the website actually where even
Fox News went out there and recorded something so very interesting. Ranch. So we talked to him about why there are so many sightings out there, what he thinks they are, and he has some very interesting answers. So I found to be a really nice guy. So it's gonna be great to talk to him. But before we get into that, Jason and I of course like to talk about some news of the week, so we both share an article. But I think it's been a while, It's been like a couple
of weeks. So I'm going to talk about two. You're such a cheater, cheater, I'll want to do that. I'm just going to talk about one. Okay, should we do yours first? Yeah? Why don't we not? That out? All? Right? Well, Aleandro, I'm going to talk about a story here and it continually develops. This is fascinating and it grinds my gears. This one really gets me worked up. So I'll start off. So many of you may remember we reported last year, the
end of last year about the Indian Army. People in the Indian Army reporting hundreds of UFOs along the Indian Chinese border and the military actively investigated these things, couldn't determine what they were. Where people from scientists and astronomers there investigated these objects saw them for themselves and couldn't determine what they're what they were.
Then, shortly after we heard about that, there were reports by Indian media saying that scientists suspected the UFOs were some Chinese lanterns launched by the Chinese Army as a part of a psychological operation psychological warfare to freak out people in India. And after that report came out, the news kind of died down because media outlets accepted that explanation and said, oh, Chinese lanterns. Case closed.
But then just last week the Telegraph published an article saying that those UFOs still had the experts baffled, and people from the Indian Institute of Astrophysics stated to the paper that the UFOs were still a mystery. They were still investigating them and they couldn't say what the objects were. Now fast forward to today, just a week later, and now there's yet another story coming out saying that scientists from the Indian Institute of Astrophysics say that they were simply planets that
people were seeing. They're saying that these hundreds of UFOs seen by Militi Harry people, investigated by astronomers from these very institutions were simply Jupiter and Venus. And this is being reported by many media outlets. So, Alejandro, I'm very shocked by the back and forth with the reports coming out about this story, and I'm very curious as to what the actual truth is because we're hearing so many conflicting reports about the duration of time these objects are in the sky.
You know, the ones reporting that these were simply Chinese lanterns were saying, oh, they were in the sky for you know, ten minutes or whatever, whereas the initial reports from the military witness reports were saying these objects were in this guy for hours. So and now we have astronomers, and I will point out again I just mentioned it, but the initial investigation, when the astronomers from the observatory there investigated these things, they specifically ruled out
planets and other celestial bodies. Now we have other astronomers saying, oh, yeah, Jupiter and Venus. Yeah, I thought you might talk about this one. And the problem though, I think is I think that it sounds like something mundane although they can't figure out. They haven't figured out what just because the movements don't seem very exciting. And the other problem though, is that they will not because China keeps refusing, we don't have anything to do
with it, so they rule that out. And they aren't looking at the possibility of drones or these other things with China because China says it's not us. But how can you trust China. You can't trust any military, so it could be something military from the Chinese that makes the most sense actually, right, And those reports have come out too, saying that officials investigating the
case ruled out Chinese drones. I don't know how they would concretely rule them out when they people don't know what they are well, And it sounded like they said because the Chinese said they wasn't them, so they they're worked for it, right, But you know, I mean it based on the description, it could it sounds like it could be something mundane. You know, they rise and hover along the horizon for around three or four hours before fading
from sight. But you know, when you have astronomers from the observatory they're investigating seeing these things. I mean, you would think they would know what Jupiter looks like, but I don't know. And it could be because it
doesn't seem like they're taking they're making up. The media is making a big deal out of it, and it is kind of interesting because you know, they're unidentified, but it sounds like they're kind of blase about it, like you know, their first report probably doesn't seem like really hardcore investigation, although lately it seems like they're looking closer than they did before. But again,
you know, the reports continue to change. I mean, we initially heard that they were looking into it, then we heard that they just shugged their shoulders and they said it's Chinese lanterns, and we hear they're looking they're still looking into it. Again, it's a mystery and they're very interested in it. Then just a week later we hear just planets. Yeah, well, a lot of people putting their two cents in there, and really, in the end though they're still unidentified. Yes, sir, that is the moral
of the story. Bump bump bomb, all right, Alejandro, I know you've got to to get to. So let's get to your first story. Oh and I was going to say, I'm sure it's not the last we've heard of this story. Well, I'm glad that we continue hearing about it. I thought once the story came out about oh, it's Chinese lanterns, it would be dead. We wouldn't hear any more about it, which was the case for a while, but it emerged again and I'm glad to hear
it because it's a fascinating case. Right. So, we've got a lot of cool stuff on the website, including the Indian story. But one of the stories that got me super excited last week was this planet hunting scientist. And this guy is not just a planet hunter, he's like pretty much the most famous one. He found the majority of exoplanets using kepler, So he's found most of them, and now he's like, I want to look for aliens, for a giant spaceships, and for a laser based internet in space
used by extraterrestrials. So here's the idea. With the kepler. They look at a star and then when the star fades in and out, they figure there's a planet going in front. And so they studied that to figure out how many planets are there. He figures that if you look at it and
there's irregular dimming, that perhaps then that's a large extraterrestrial ship. And instead of looking for new information, he says, we've already got enough data that we haven't come through from the kepler, which isn't working anymore by the way, that we're going to look at data information and try to find some information
in there. And then that if he kind of feels like SETI is outdated and that they're looking for the the analog signals and any extraterrestrial civilization that is that somewhat advanced is going to be using a more advanced method of communication.
And he lasers. Yeah, a laser internet, so he's looking for He says it should be easy to tell because it would be a really bright light, like a laser headed towards us. I guess that would be them trying to say, hey, we're sending you an email, a laser email or something that that's going to look for. So that's really cool. I think that this guy's so into looking at for ET that he's starting to do this and he's gotten a grant to do this work. Yeah, it's really awesome
stuff, So especially from such a prominent scientists. Yeah, and you know, I mean, look how much attention Kepler gets and you've got this this guy who's identified the planets based on Kepler data. I think it's fantastic that he's he's the one doing this, and poor Kepler. They're trying to bring it back online. I hope they do, because Kepler's done so awesome stuff for us. So yeah, poor Kepler, hang in there, Kepler. Boo boop. Did you hear that? I just heard Kepler response, that's
crazy, that's sweet. He sounded a little up beat, didn't he. Yeah he did. He's had it. He's doing better, so he'd be more like a said or two. Yeah right, that would be scary, but luckily he's hand it happy. Yes. So the other I just wanted to talk about we posted late last week was Movefon's best UFO video case of
twenty twelve. While we were there at the Muffon Symposium, they handed the press a their top ten sightings as determined by their Science Review Board, so it had some information, but I did some digging to find out some more about it, and we posted that video and I think it is very intriguing. They find that this, you know, you see this round object. And this was a lady in Georgia who during the days saw this or daughter
pointed it out. She was with her kids and a friend. Two or three different cell phones got videos of it, and it's like this round thing floating. But it looks like it does have lights on the perimeter because the perimeter is kind of shining. And I think it's a pretty cool video. What do you think? Do you think it could possibly be a kite? No, I don't think it's a kite, but I think it could be because especially because there's no string kites. I've never seen the kite where you
couldn't see the string. The other thing is it moved up. According to them, it was moving towards them and up. Now it could be a balloon. It could be some kind of mile our balloon, and that the flashing light effect is light the sun reflecting off the balloon. That's if it's not something strange or I suspect that could be what it is. That's my best guess. Yeah, it definitely is an interesting, interesting video. Yeah,
I'm not sure what to make of it. Yeah, hosted. That video on the Science review board that they've just put together is pretty exciting too because it's lots of engineers and scientists that I've worked with, like NASA, Lackheed, Martin, Orthrope, Bruman and a bunch of things. So hopefully looking forward to more cool stuff. And then we do have the other ten
cases. None of them had pictures or video like this one, but we'll post those top ten cases here this week so people can see what the scient review boards were, the good cases. It's exciting stuff. I'm glad they've got this board, and you know their intention is to get back to focusing on science. That's what movie's all about. So hopefully we'll see some good things from them. Yeah, what do you think of this symposium? Symposium
was good, man, I was glad it was in Vegas. That was nice and seemed to get a decent turnout and the lineup of speakers was good again focusing on science. And you know me, I'm a big fan of focusing on science when it comes to this field. That's right, Science is cool. We like to be blinded with science. Oh, I don't know, I want to be blinded. Well, it's supposed to be a good
thing according to that song in the eighties. Okay, well, songs from the eighties can't be wrong, right, Well, thank you Jason for joining
us for the newest portion of Open Mind UFO Radio. It has been my absolute pleasure, and I will remind people you just pointed out some great content we put up recently on our YouTube channel, and we're putting up content more regularly now, so if you are not subscribed to the YouTube channel, do that as a YouTube dot com slash open minds TV, and we put up all sorts of good stuff there, including spacing out with you and Maureen and
you guys have a last episode is about the symposium, so people can find out more about it there too. Huh, that is correct. We did shoot some stuff at the symposium, gave a nice little recap there, so do check that out as well as all our their videos. Movie excellente Yes, all right, so let's go ahead and talk to mister James Gilliland. I'm very excited to have on the show today. James Gilliland. Hello, James, Oh, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, thanks
for joining us. I guess to start off, it's an exciting topic people are always excited about the East Seti Ranch, But maybe a little bit about your background and how you came about acquiring the ranch. Yeah, that's a long story. I'll try to shorten it up a bit, but we got lots of time. Yeah, basically, it's I know a lot a lot of youufologists have a hard problem with this, but it was more of a
spiritual experience and awakening, and it came after a near death experience. I kept having visions after a drowning, over and over of the ranch, and I saw a river and the mountain mount Adams in and uh, and then a little mountain behind it, and I kept seeing the words little mountain road,
which made no sense whatsoever because there there was our little mountain. I didn't see road on it, but in the vision because there's this massive mountain, and I kept couldn't understand why they would show me the words little mountain and and then down the road. I found out why because the ranch is
actually on little mountain Road. But after that vision kept reoccurring, I grabbed a map of the United States, and I used some forms of divination that I've been taught to actually nail down the ranch and when I when I got here to the ranch, through a series of synchronistic events, I ended up writing exactly on the spot that I marked on the map. Even even though I threw the map in my closet and forgot about it, I ended up
here anyway. Wow, where were you living at the time. I was in Santa Cruz in northern California. Mm hmm, okay, so that's quite a difference, were you, I mean, ever even thinking of moving to
Washington. Well, I kept getting inner guidance that I really needed to make something bigger because I had a house there in Santa Cruz and it was full, and we were teaching deep meditation techniques, intersensitivity training, teaching people how to you know, get into the higher self, you know, the higher aspects of self and things like that, and I kept getting a message that it was time to build a template of a very spiritual community that lives in
harmony with each other in nature, you know, and covers you know, body minded, spirit, all aspects, and trying to create a template where people could come and see a different way of living, you know, to to kind of get humanity off this self destructive program it's on. So in Santa Cruz. You already kind of had, You were already teaching meditation and these sort of things prior to moving to Washington. Yeah, so I was
very involved in it. I had the near death experience when I was down south in Orange County and I was actually doing commercial real estate and have my own office and people working for me and was very successful. But after the drowning, I had a big wake up call and I came back ultra sensitive and I could see everything for what it was and I just had to get out of that environment. So I moved to northern California and I was living up in the Redwoods, just to adjust to the new energies. And then
how far after that was it that you moved to Washington. Well, that was Listen, I've been here twenty six years now, twenty six years ago that I moved here, and I think I was in Santa Cruz for a little over six years now. When it comes to UFOs, I mean,
were you already into that topic before moving out there? You know, not really As a kid, I was raised in Apple Valley, California and the High Desert, and we saw things all the time, and we were right next door to Round half ring in that group Otis car you know, that were building their own leofos and flying around. So I was exposed to it at an early age, but you know I wasn't really I just accepted it,
you know. I saw things that because sleeping outside, because the desert it's really hot, you know, and a lot of times we just throw a sleeping bag outside on the lawn and watched the sky when we were kids, and we had all kinds of things flying over that nobody could explain, you know, doing zig zag patterns, turning bright blue, flashing and then taking off and and we don't have anything that can fly like that. And that was you know, that was back in the fifties, late fifties,
and so you were seeing sightings in the desert as a kid. But I mean, are the sightings where you are now and even much more numerous than them back then. Oh yeah, yeah, it's because I opened up to it and rose to the occasion and took a very spiritual approach to the matter. We've had more success success here than almost anybody. I mean, this is a hot spot now for UFOs, but it has a long history.
The Native American lore goes back to the inhabitants underneath the mountain and some very advanced beings there, and they took their sick and wounded up to the mountain and they took them in and he healed them and brought them out in just days, you know, with broken bones and things like that. So there's a long history of that. Kenneth Arnold actually lost sight of the ships when they landed on the western slopes of Mount Adams. That's in his in his
information. And then doctor Jalen Heinek, all of these major i think Greg Long built, Local, David Acres, all of these people have done investigations up here with these intelligent lights to keep appearing. And and you know, we're also having metallic ships. We're having everything here. It's pretty crazy. We're having solid metallic ships, we're getting photographs of We're having etheric ships and massive light ships and and triangles, giant cylinders, even pyramid shape ships just
like every color that we seem to be photographing here. So it's you know, it's quite an event that's unfolding here. And so it's a variety of different types of ships. Do you who do you feel is any ships? What do you think is going on there. You know, most people couldn't really handle that answer unless they did some real serious research because there's so many
different groups that have ships that have this technology. Our ancient ancestors have this technology, and it's all throughout the Vedic scriptures, and it's even in the Bible and other ancient texts. The via Amanas, you know, the Atlantis, Lantians and Lemrians they had this technology and they went inward after the floods and joined some other groups, you know, living underground in facilities, and some are coming from distant systems, you know, like the Plates, the
Irion system, the you know near Sirius and those areas. So and it's also interdimensional. It's not just this dimension that's going on. So it's quite a big picture. The sad thing is is, you know, I'm sure you've seen it in the UFO community. It's so competitive and split up.
And you know, I gave a lecture there a long time ago at the Congress and I got a standing innovation and I told people the only way we're ever going to get the truth out on this enigma is for everybody to put their information on the table and share, you know, because it's all the above. It's not just one thing, but everybody's trying to fight for their reality of their truth. You know. One one group will say it's it's
just nuts and bolts, you know. Another group will say it's the Germans, you know, who back engineered this stuff a long time ago, flying in from the North Pole or whatever. And then you've got other groups saying, oh, it's just the Grays. They are here to abduct people, you know, and you know, do genetic experiments. And then you have other groups that say it's all benevolent. You know, it's all it's all positive, it's all benevolent, and the real box you want to check is
all the above, because it's all going on. H Yeah, I so agree with you there. Because it's like people seem to like they have to know the answers for some reason, and they'll attach to an answer and then to stick to that worldview so tightly that they really close themselves off. They become closed minded, they close themselves off to other ideas or possibilities. Yeah,
it becomes a religion basically. And it's sad because you really have to transcend all cultural and religious beliefs to understand this phenomenon and start reading all the ancient texts and do the research, you know, with an open mind, and then you're going to start figuring out what's been going on for ever since. I mean, it's been going on for six hundred and fifty million years,
believe it or not. And that area there, So it sounds like you feel it's lots of different types of phenomena that are going on there. Why they're at Mount Adams, do you think, Well, there's a couple of things going on. One is they've always been here and there's a very well documented history of that. The other thing is they're based underneath the mountain
and actually we're sitting right on top of them. Ground penetrating radar has research has been done here, and we're sitting on just a massive, massive ca you know that that they're flying around underneath us. And I had some people up here that had some pretty interesting equipment and they could measure any anomalies, you know, in the field, any movement in the magnetic fields above and below on all around us with these triangulating antennas, and they started getting movement
underneath us, moving around underneath us. So it's quite interesting. But We've had a lot of pretty extreme technology come to the ranch to measure these anomalies, not just the the craft, but the beings that are the interdimensional beings that are appearing here, and each time they walk away just shocked, you know, when they get the results back. So do you think that what is underground? I mean, is that kind of do you feel that's kind
of a base or do you think that there's a civilization under there. Oh, it's a whole civilization. And it's almost like an intergalactic airport. And we've seen open on that mountain, like huge light doors and things coming in and out of it. We have it on film. But what's weird is if you go up to that area, you'll see just a huge wall like a lava cliff, you know, where these doors are opening. There's nothing there that would indicate, you know, you know, there's any kind of
a base or anything else. And there's two or three spots on the mountain, and there's one spot where there is a huge cave and we see a lot of anomalous lights up there, and in front of the cave, it looks like a Buddha statue is carved out of the basalt. So it's and it's only open for maybe maybe three weeks out of the year that cave has opened. The rest time it's completely covered with snow. Wow. So I guess before we go further, because I love these ideas, and I'm sure
a lot of people are thinking. Maybe some people are thinking these are kind of some pretty French ideas, but I guess to establish that for people who aren't aware. I mean, Mount Adams has a lot of sightings, and you've got a lot of great videos, for instance, on your site, on some of the television shows that have gone out there, and it seems like most of them, if not all, have kind of a spectacular sighting
of their own. Yes, basically, yeah, we've had ABC out here, Fox News, we even had Jay Lenos and a crew out here, but he canned it, you know, because I think they were going to make a joke out of it. And the problem was the UFOs showed up and they split off in two different directions, came right out each other, and then went off, you know, like they were going one was coming in from the north and one come from the south, and they split off
going east and west, and they got some amazing footage, you know, but they canned it. You know, we never heard anything about it, but you know, Robbie Williams was out here, Danny Dyer did a special out here. Paranormal State came out and we told them exactly when and where these ships would appear, and they had their cameras ready and they got some beautiful ships coming in low and powering up and flying tree top level and then
flying around the mountain. So we've proven redundantly that there's not only a lot of activity up here, but it's intelligent and that we're having telepathic contact just due to the nature of having everything ready to go and the ships showing up exactly when and where we said they would. And their psychic chip Coffee was there too, and they brought him in blind. They didn't tell him anything, and he came on the land and he started saying, they're here.
And they said who's here and he said them and you know, and they said, who's them? And he said, the extraterrestrials are here. And he said, look the look to the west or no, at the east at ten o'clock in the morning, I'm blown here at ten o'clock at night, look to the east and you'll see the ships. And then so they interviewed me, and I told them the exact same thing randomly because we were
separate, you know, I had no idea what he said. And so right at ten o'clock in the evening, the ships appeared right, you know, in the east. Little I told him a little more north, you know, I have your cameras northeast, and that's exactly where they appeared, and they got it on films. So you know, we've proven redundantly, you know, we've given exact times and dates and where the ships are going
to appear with the cameras rolling. And I think that's amazing. We've been doing this for about twenty six years here and it's still been highly censored, you know, even more so within the UFO community. Really, yeah, it's amazing. So you mean like the UFO community kind of ignores what goes on there, Well, the most flat yes, a lot of you know certain I won't mention names because I'm speaking at one, you know, one of the most major UFO stations that covers UFOs. Uh huh, the biggest
station won't have me on the show. And uh And I think it's amazing. But you know, you take the like the all the International UFO Reporting Center with Peter Davenport. He's been he has a long history of sensory and the activity here and and be living, you know, be living people that call in and say, hey, I'm out here with thirty five people.
We just saw an amazing ship happen, you know. And he'll say, well, tell me when the little Green men show up and hang up on him, you know, so you know, I could figure out why is this guy doing this? You know, he's sent an engineer out and to do an investigation on it. And she said, look, I checked out all the satellite you know feeds. These are not satellites, these are not space station or evastat. It's not Genesis, it's non no known object.
They're low, they're morphine, they're they're making turns, they're doing things that there's no way that they're not any known object. And one of them got really big as it came towards her and she hit the ground. Wow, she hit the She scared the crap out her actually, but uh and and so she wrote this all up in report and she gave it to Peter and he goes well, and then so he sends the thing out as newsletter saying
that his engineer confirmed that we're seeing nothing other than meteors and satellites. And so people are taking his word on things. And and unfortunately between him and the radio show that he comes on all the time, that group there,
there's some major censorship happening. And and what's really weird too, is they called me up to come on the show and I was waiting here by the by the phone, and I just got pulled at the last minute and they just they from ever since then, they refused to have me on the show again. So so some shenanigan happened. I don't know what it is, but uh, it's it's that same thing has been happening a lot, which
which actually led me to see that the field of ufology. Yeah, what is sad is that a lot of the UFO community has been highly infiltrated with a lot of disinformation people, a lot of you know, misinformation and and you know a lot of intelligence and in there that at the highest levels, and that that's what we've seen over and over again, and and even you
know, some of the people have come up here. It's amazing. They come up here and just try to throw monkey wrenches into things and sabotage things and things of that nature. And so we always document everything that happens here even while they're here visiting. And and you know, there are some people very high up in the field that that were among you know, sixty people in the field saw an amazing ship fly in and power up and make a
turn and the next day said, nothing happened. Really yeah, And and so I through this process over the years, I've learned who is who in the field and who you can trust and who you can't trust. And it's very sad because there's very few people in the field you can trust, you
know, And so you know, it's it's it's sad. But I really think about if we're really going for contact, and we do want to contact these beans, and if they are extremely advanced beans, most likely the very spiritually advanced, and you know, I think they're waiting for us to get our act together before they come in. And a lot of the things going on in the UFO community is directly adverse to contact. I mean, there's no reason for them to contact us if we can't get our own act together.
It's kind of funny though, because I kind of have seen aspects of what you're talking about in this field, and it's it's kind of a careful what you wish for a type of thing, because I've seen where and certain sightings that UFO reach which just kind of act weird about it. It's almost like it challenges their worldview even though it's something they're looking for. So then they just kind of push it out of their minds just like the general public, or or they try to make it fit mm hmm. Yeah, they
pigeonholes into their belief system. You know. It's sad too. It's like right now a lot of the community is going towards it's all negative. It's a threat, and that's fitting into the agenda, you know, of the world order boys and and whereas there that was, you know, there was a lot of tinkering going on in manipulation and there we have been infiltrated big
time by some of these beings. The regenerate ets, the benevolent ones are coming in now to to clean up this interference and to get us back on
track. So but you know, these these the very people that are have been a part of the problem that are working with these regenerate ets now are are trying to turn the positive ones into a thread and brainwashed the people into thinking all the teas are negative, they're all bad, and they're all here to slice and dice this and create, you know, make human pelf out
of us. And Hollywood's really big on that one, right. Yeah, And it's very sad because all of this is total contrary to you know, contact with the benevolent beings, which which really have everything we need to completely
turn this planet around. Now. A lot of and this kind of makes me curious a lot of like what we see, and even the people who have gone out there like and videotaped with you, they've gotten some great I think even the Fox News one, you know, they had the Bernard hash come on and say there are possibly satellites, but earlier they showed the video there are two moving and opposite directions at different angles, which is really weird
for satellites, you know. And then I love the Danny Dyer one because he gets so excited from what he saw. But it seems like they're very careful in what they show us. Yeah, it's been sanitized. All of those have been very sanitized unfortunately, because I mean we had some really good I think Paranormal State did a pretty good job with some of the footage. But we had massive power ups, and people go, those are Riddim flairs. We know where the riddim flares are, you know, and they're not
satellite spending the power up like that. Huh. These things are tree top level. And I have things, you know, I had a conference here. Every year we have a major conference here, and I had like Mary Rodwell, Dolores Cannon, William, Henry Brooks, Agnew Renald Legato. I'm trying to think of all the people. I mean, it was a huge list of people, and so we did an intention experiment and a meditation to
invite them in. And immediately right when it ended, you know, people felt an energy come into the room and people were just signing and bryan and feeling wonderful energies. We walked outside after the meditation and this beautiful pink orange ship flew right over the conference building and god, I'm trying to think of his name. He's a physicist, got a really good he got it on his iPhone, you know, and a bunch of people took photographs and things.
Brooks Agnew filmed it too with a physicist, and so here we've got over two hundred witnesses, and you know, we initiated the contact. The ship flew right over the conference building, you know, for everybody to see. People were jumping up and down, screaming and hollering, going, oh my god. You know, it's like amazing. And this goes on here quite a bit, and I'm trying to wonder, like everybody goes, well, when's contact going to happen? And you know, everybody's pushing it off
into the future. But but I've been saying, you know, this has been going on here for twenty five years. You know, already has happened, and all that needs is some open minded researchers to come and check it out, you know, and and not to come in arrogance, because they're very turned off by that, but to come with an open mind and loving heart and rise to the occasion, and then they're going to understand and experience,
you know, and have their own contacts. I guess what I was meaning too is that the each sees himself, the phenomena itself, seems to be careful at what it displays to us exactly if you're not ready, if it's going to instill fear or you know, they're going to keep their distance and they'll do you know, I call it dazzle duty. They'll do it up high and let you know they're here. But it's all about consciousness and we have to rise to the occasion, and you know, just to stand
in the presence of one of these beings. Their their fields are so strong. If you're harboring a lot of fear and guilt and unworthiness and you know, lower consciousness, you know, this all is creating severe problems, you know, with coming in contact with them in their fields, because one they're extremely sensitive and they feel it and it makes them ill almost and two it
amplifies and accelerates everything within the other person. So they all their fears and their angers and frustrations and their old wounds and traumas come up, you know when it just being in their presence, and very few would stand in that presence and heal that. Most of them will project and blame and you know, go for their gun or fall back into a victim role. I want to hear your thoughts on this too, because this is kind of where I've
gotten in it. It's one of the things where it really has been a goal for mine for a long time to get out there, but I haven't really prioritized it super high. I probably will now that I talk to you, because it gets so busy, but also because I kind of feel like, you know, I've seen I've had sightings. I've seen them these things flying around in that I believe are you know, from somewhere else. But
it's like, okay, great, what does that do for me? I kind of feel like, uh, and I don't mind this that we're on their timeline. So in other words, whenever they feel like, you know, an experience can happen, it will happen. Pretty much. Yeah,
they're the ones in control of what's going on. And you know, they have a friend up here, John Kelly, who's been out in the field filming for the past probably what four or five years, I'm not sure, and he's just gotten amazing footage and he does reverse speech on a lot of the even our presidents, you know, and they say, you know, the UFOs are in control. You know, they said there's the real power and things like that. So so basically we are on their timeline, especially
the benevolent lines. They are are waiting for those you know who are you know, healing and moving towards an open mind, a loving heart, and
pure intent. And when you've got those mastered, they're going to find you because your frequencies are going to be emitting a field and energy that they'll pick up, so they know when you're ready, and and if you're not ready, they'll just kind of just tease you a little bit, get closer and closer and closer, and push your push your envelope a little bit, push
up your peers and things until you're really ready to have the experience. I want to tell one short little story because we had a woman here and we have a lot of Native American elders come here, Lama's Jovis, people from all walks of life that all know about this phenomenon. It's part of their culture. But we were doing a ceremony in a sweat lodge and we came out of the lodge, and right when we were coming out of the lodge, I was telling people, you know, we're very unified now in energy,
and we're really at peace and we're in a really good space. So don't be surprised if the UFOs don't drop in really low. And so this one woman is standing and she goes, I want I want them to land, they better land. I want to get on this sh And she's said, I want you know this and that. And right after she said that, this huge kind of an orange colored lightship and beautiful lightship came in really
low, brilliant light right over us. And she ran and she ran and grabbed a tree and was hanging on a tree, and and I told her, I said, you know, we think we're ready. We really do. We think we're ready. I've had chigung and kung fu masters just go go in to blank out and go into shock almost and stare at these ships. And after they go away, they have a camera on their shoulder and
they forgot they even had a camera, and like that. So we really do think we're ready for these experiences, but when it happens, we often find out we're really not. Does it seem like to you that a lot of this interaction is I mean, because we like to think often in a like us and them, as far as these large communities contacting or communicating back and forth, and it seems overwhelming to think that maybe these things would be
interacting with people like one at a time. But it almost seems like that's the case. It is kind of an individual kind of growth or experience, you know, you know it is, and they don't want to get behind any one religion or government or anything else. They want us to transcend that, you know, and they you know, somebody asked me do they believe in god or do they have a god? And I said, you know, they have their leaders and their masters and their history, but the God
that they worship is an unseen god. It's like the creator in all creation. It's more of an intelligent design program that they're looking at. And you know, the bearded God that so many people are involved with with, you know, that image came from the Anunaki. They were the bearded gods. You know, that came to the Earth, what four hundred and fifty thousand
years ago, But there were many other experiences. I mean, the Earth's history goes back six hundred and fifty million years according to Cremo, you know, Michael Crimo and other researchers. You know, there's been advanced cultures here and that have you know, we've had to start over suprimitives due to poll shifts and meteor strikes and things of that nature. So the archaeology is there.
You know, they're digging up the ruins and finding them and you know a lot of it's hidden, you know, but because you know, they don't want to upset the apple cart. But you know, we've been around a long long time here and we've had many different civilizations start up here. The earth has been colonized over and over and you know we've had Laryan colonies here, Platian colonies here, Atlantis and Lamiri were started by the Palladians.
There's been so many different races here. So you know, we are the ets we've been looking for. I mean, there are ancestors, you know, we're genetically connected to these beings and we're connected to a lot of different ancestors, which is why we have all the diversity here on the earth,
some of the sightings out there. Because just to also let people know, you know, another reason why why I am excited to talk to you and I find this all interesting is that so many people I know, I think everybody I know who have gone to the East Adie Ranch or Adams have had their own sighting, some of them very skeptical people, so they're they're been really excited about it. A lot of the sightings I've heard of have been
things that are far off on the mountain. So to some of your videos, however, could you describe me be some of the really close, Like
how close have some of these things gotten? These physical crafts? Well, personally, for me, I've had interactions with them ever since I was a kid, and I've actually been on the ships, and not just physical ships, but other dimensional ships because after my near death experience, I learned to go interdimensional with a lot of training, you know, through lamas and yogis and things of that nature. But this is way outside the box, and
it's hard for people to understand that we're not just embodying a personality. We have a spirit, and that spirit's multi dimensional and it goes all the way back to the source. So when we understand that and really do our spiritual practices, we start to engage the spiritual side of ourselves, the multi dimensional self, and then we can have these multi dimensional experiences. But relating that back to here on this level and bringing that into this matrix that has everybody
trapped in the physical and everything is external. Is a rough road you know, to haul, you know, because you don't have any mirrors or there's very little agreement on that other than the physicists know that these Michio Kaku talks talks a lot about it, you know, and saying a lot of our contacts may not be coming from another world, but from another dimension. The different beings that you see, how often do people see those? And like
how close do these these beings get. Well, there's a lot of people I know of that are having face to face contact and they're having scenes appear, you know, in their living rooms and things like that, and in their meditations they're popping right in. So that's happening on a very big scale, especially after people come here and go through some of our courses or go through the transpersonal release sessions, you know, which are those are interesting too,
because we had a scientist come here and film one of the sessions, and one of the sessions, a seventh dimensional being came in from the plane of Bliss, a golden light being, and he actually filmed the whole thing as it came in and everybody's bodies turned into a pixelated out into white light and during the healing process, and then another being came in and her energy was pink, you know, and another being came in and it was green.
But we have that all document on the website. So you know, you're talking about seven dimensional things here, and most people aren't ready for that. But this phenomenon, you know, a ufo. You have metallic UFOs, you know, with physical beings on them. You have energy UFOs with
energy beings on them. You have light ships with beings with magnetized light bodies on them, and so all of this, but very few people can access the higher dimensional aspect of contact and the contacts, I guess, are they more kind of an interaction where it's kind of experiencing each other, more more of that kind of thing, or are these contacts I guess, intended to help us move to a place where we can all be in connection with them.
Yes, their main purpose. I asked some of the plannings we were working with why they're here, and they told me to release the pass, and so I asked them to go more in depth in that, and they said that your past is creating your tomorrow, and all your wounds and traumas and history and your grudges and all these things that you're holding onto are recreating
your tomorrow. So they're they're helping us heal this and actually a lot of that energy psychometrizes into the very earth itself, and they're changing the frequencies of the planet. You know, a good one was the dome one Dome of the Rock over there. A lot of people are trying to say that was fake, but the first footage was real, and then they threw a lot of fake footage in after that, as they always do to try to divert
people from it. But that ship was actually a feline race from serious that came in and you can see the ship interacting if you really look at you can see it interacting with the ground and this beautiful energy coming off the ship and interacting with the ground there. And when it finally takes off, a
power burst goes off and it hits the whole area. And we found out through telepathic means that these beings were there to change the frequencies and all the old religious psychometrized energy in you know, the whaling Wall and the Dome of the Rock and all these other things there to give us a chance to reboot, you know, to reboot consciousness, because these are they're like, oh
god, they're very sacred places. They're power spots on the planet and they're connected into the grid on major grid lines, and so when they change the frequencies there, it helps the entire planet. You know. But this is this is things that that most people wouldn't understand. You know, this is
really high level understanding what's going on. But what also is interesting is, I believe the ship over Russia that shut the airports down and everything, some of the people in the tower said that they had conversation going over the intercom there and that the beings sounded feline, and they sounded like they're like cat like beings that they're They didn't know what they were saying, but it sounded like a female cat like beings that was trying to converse with them over the
over the radio. And so that ties into a lot of the information that we're getting as well as our contacts here with some of the feline beings. They're humanoid, you know, they're upright, but they're more feline. Now do you think this is working? Because I mean, when you look at what current affairs or how things have been going. It looks kind of almost dim that. So do you think we are actually moving in the right direction,
that some of this help is working? We definitely are. You know, have you ever seen I think it's cimantics when they put a lot of energy in You'll have a pattern and you put a bunch of energy into it a pattern, and often it just goes into chaos for a little while, and then it creates a whole new pattern after that. And then you turn the energy up higher, same thing happens. Everything goes into chaos, and
then it settles back into a more highly evolved pattern. And so, believe it or not, it's hard to look at, but some of the chaos and all of the revolution stuff going on, and the wars and things like that are all part of a process of you know, all of that's coming up. It's being pushed up to the surface, and the people are just saying, you know enough, you know, we're done with tyranny, We're
done with being controlled and manipulated. And I think one of the most backwards people during this whole process is us, you know, the United States. I mean, we just found out that on every level our constitution has been you know, especially you know, our right to privacy and things like that, and and our leaders and the people are just sitting on their heels not doing anything. Oh that's okay. You know they can they can listen to
every email, they can listen to every conversation. I have every phone call. Uh, and you know, they could probably blackmail me later on with that, you know, or any other little misunderstood things going on. They could you know, build a case. But you know, I think I think people should just be There are a lot of people they're just totally not going for it, you know, and where you know, the totalian and
state that we're moving into right now. Yeah, it's funny you say that because I agree in that, you know, with all the trouble that goes on everywhere, it's almost like we're kind of spoiled and we we forget to be compassionate and that we've got what we got and you know, you're on your own kind of attitudes. M you know, it's sad because now this is this there's another walk on the wild side if you want to go there.
But there's a matrix and it's a consciousness and there's people that are in the matrix, and we've been so programmed, you know, by social consciousness, by TV, by other frequencies and forces that are you know, working hard on us on a daily basis. You know, the food additives, the aspartame, the fluoride in the water, all of these things have actually
dumbed us down and held us within this matrix. And the programming is so external that all of our love and joy and bliss and happiness everything comes from
external acquisition. You know. We we have to drive the right car and drink the right beer, you know, to get the blonde beauty on the beach, and you know, all of these things are all external, and we're so endoctrinated into that that we're totally our internal process has completely been hijacked, and so we're trapped in the physical all in survival, sex, and power, basically in the first three chakras of the base emotions, you know,
through this matrix. And this matrix is a matrix of consciousness. It's also been fueled by other frequencies and energies, and that whole matrix is collapsing right now. So people are starting to wake up and they're starting to go within and go internal and go wait a second. You know this, these other things are dependencies. They're enslaving. You know, we've been totally enslaved through dependency in our own minds. You know, we have fuel less energy,
We've had that for years. You know, we have all these other technologies with free people up to get back into their creative mind. But that's all been heavily suppressed. And people are starting to wake up to this whole thing, this network, I call it the ARCon network. It's it's not a very pretty picture because the higher you go up, you know, in leadership, the darker it gets. And so and those people were seeing in
the physical are actually being manipulated by unseen energies. And they do secret ceremonies and things like that to bring these energies in for power and wealth and power over others, not empowering others. So it's a very self serving, selfish program, and that whole program is being you know, collapsed. I mean, look at the banksters, look at the military industry, you know, the oil industry, the pharmaceutical industry, all those industries are not really here
for the highest and best good of humanity and the earth. They're here to create you know, more pain, more suffering, more chaos, and more enslavement. And you know that's that's all going to fold in on itself during this process that we're now undergoing. I'm curious, I mean, do you feel that you have Do you feel there's a timeline to this? Do you feel like you know you'll see this kind of opening within your lifetime or maybe
even sooner. Definitely, it's it's it's really kicking up now. In the next three weeks, major events are going to be unfolding, but we're going to see it go on for the next three years and this whole program, this whole tyranny program, and the enslavement through dependency and all these other programs are going to be clapping in on themselves. And it's all being done through
energy, and you know, consciousness and energy is how it's happening. But we have to do our part, you know, here on the planet as well. So it's a matter of communicating with each other and you know, getting back to the basics and you know, following the universal principles that are necessary for a healthy society and environment. Our universal law and that's written in
the heart of hearts of everybody. We all know what that is, and we just have to get back in touch with the heart and start communicating with each other. And that's the way out. Now. If people wanted to come experiences and come to Mount Adams and to maybe have their own experience, what's the best way to do that to come to the ranch or s they're
camping. What would you suggest? The best way to do it is either to call us, you know, or go to the east Setti website, you know, Esteti dot org and all the information is there and give us a call or send us an email and we'll set something up. We had to change everything here. We used to be totally open. You know, anybody could come to the ranch and we just let anybody come up and do
their thing and with no problems. But we started receiving a lot of problems from the powers that be and through certain agencies, you know, county agencies and things like that. So we had to totally shift gears and go completely private. And so we we actually patented the land and everything and had to remove ourselves from from the from jurisdiction. And at the same time we had
to not be open to the public. We have to have everything private so we can maintain our boundaries and not get you know, shut down basically, So we had to go through a process. So that process is that people contact us and then we give you a private invitation if you want to come and have a private experience, you know, right, And and that's not the way we we really wanted to do things. It's the way right now we have to do things because of the the status quo and the powers that
be, which are sen to be the powers that were now. And it sounds like you're open to people. You know, they may not be really into the metaphysical parts, they're not sure about that, but they do want to there maybe more nuts and bolts people who want to have a citing experience. Are you still open to those people contacting you? You know, yes we are. But one of the things that I find if you do come
up here, I don't I don't mind discernment. I think discernment is really important, you know, but when people come up here with a bad attitude, they mess it up for everybody else. And so we've had people come up here and you know, and they just start that's not that's a satellite. That's that's and they start just just making it nasty for everyone else. And uh, you know, and we'll just wait. You know, you don't know that's the satellite. You know, do you have the Heavens Above
or the j tracker on your computer right now? And and we said just wait and observe it, you know, and see what it does. And you know, we had one woman here when Above top Secret was here, and she was a moof on investigator and she just started standing up and screaming and yelling and saying, these are all satellites and these are all you need to go to Above top Secret and check out their website and and learn about this and everything else. And you know, Johnny Anonymous was right there with
all of the equipment. He says, woman, I am Above top Secret and these are not satellites. You know, he said, I have all the tracker and equipment right here. You know. So so you know, we get people that unfortunately are beginners, that are a little arrogant and they have a you know, they come to to they think they have to save
everybody or something. I don't know what it is, but you know, and I tell people too, it's like I can't be out in the field twenty four to seven, pointing out what's the satellite and what's the UFO. Yeah, it's that. I try to if the space station comes over and I'm out there, I go, hey, guys, you know, everybody's screaming and hollering. I go, No, that's the space station, you
know, it's I try to tell people. But John Alexander was here and this beautiful triangle ship was coming in right over the mountain, totally silent, and everybody was screaming and hollering, you know. And I was telling John and I told the people that I said, that's not a UFO, and they got really upset with me, and I go, it's not a UFO And they said why, and I said, because the light's dirty. It's dirty light. It's our light. It's not starlight. You know, it's
yellow. It has it. You could has a tent to it, and and because of my abilities, I could scan it. And I said, whatever's on that on that jet or whatever it is, it's some kind of high tech stuff. But the person on it is not very conscious, you know. And so finally when it finally came over us, it was silent too. When we finally heard a faint engine when it came over us, and you could tell it was, you know, probably one of those stealth
bombers or something of that nature. But you know, it's kind of like almost a setup, you know, like when they flew over it, trying to get everybody to say yeah, yeah, and then they'd set you up later. So you have to be really discerning and careful about that because you know, they're always trying to set you up, you know, and make you look like a crackpot or whatever. Yeah, well, I think we're about out of time, But I agree with you. I think that's just
good in general. It's fine to be skeptic, but you don't have to be a jerk about it. Yeah, I'm ever good to have a bad attitude. Yeah. Yeah, that just runs it for everybody. And they scan us, they scan the group, and they sense that and that if the group's all chaotic and there's a lot of negativity there, they'll stay up high. Well, great, thank you so much for coming on the air.
I think this was a lot of fun. So people know it's ees Eddie dot org org and that's enlightened contact with extraterrestrial intelligence and you're going to be at contact in the desert. Is that true in just a few weeks here, Yeah, what that is the I'll let people know when that is, and then hopefully you'll be coming to the UFO Congress in February too. Then. Yeah, it'd be good to get back there. I haven't been there in quite a while. Yeah, it'd be a lot of fun.
I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear what you have to say. Sounds great. Hey, well, thanks for having me on the show and keep up the good work. Thank you very much. Thank you to James for coming on the show and talking some really interesting stuff. Of course, you had some very interesting ideas. Some of you might find it a little metaphysical. Some of you, I'm sure, really enjoy that aspect.
But I would implore even the nuts and bolts people out there to go visit Mount Adams because, like I said, you know, it seems that a lot a lot of people are having sidings out there, and it is something that I feel it is a little irresponsible of me have to have not been out there yet, but hopefully I'll get out there soon because there's supposed to be a lot of really interesting sidings out there, and I'm excited to get out there and take a look for myself. I found personally that if you
want to see a UFO, you go where people say. They say UFOs a lot, because my sightings have been in a couple of hot spots as well, so I'm excited about that. So thank you to James. You can go to his site at esti dot org ec eti for more information and for more information on all the news that Jason and I spoke about, and you could go to Openminds dot tv and like we said, we're getting lots of really cool stuff up on our YouTube, so go to open Mind's TV
on YouTube as well. You can get there through the site or open Minds TV on YouTube, and you can also check out spacing out for or more UFO news as well. Thank you all so much for joining us this week, and always thank you too, Caleb Hanks for our opening music and two Earth Minutes for the close music. I love our music and it was so nice of them to send that to us and create that for us. As for the rest of you, Audios, Mochato's will talk to you next week.
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