Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade and has long hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. This is your host Alejandro Rojas, and we
have another great show today. In fact, you know, I heard something good about the way I pronounced my name. I don't speak Spanish, and I feel self conscious about that sometimes, but I was meeting with famous Mexican ufologist Time Mussan yesterday and his crew, and they said, I say my name just mine. It's very good Spanish pronunciation. Very good, very good, very good. Today is a great show. We've got James Fox.
He's created everybody's favorite UFO documentaries. He's done three of them, actually, fifty Years of Denial out of the Blue. And I know what I saw, which has just recently been shown on the Discovery Channel, and it's being shown on there. Out of the Blue, I know, was really big when that came out. Everybody was real excited about Out of the Blue when it came out because it was just so much evident, so many great credible
witnesses. He did such a great job putting that together. So he continued on with I know what I saw, and we'll be talking to him about how that went, you know, how he put this together, the experiences he had, and why he's done that. And I paused because I noticed out of the Blue, by the way, showed on the Sci Fi Channel a lot, and I know what I saw was recently on the History Channel.
I think I said, Discovery, sorry about that. The History Channel, which it's shown a lot of great UFO shows UFO Files, was when they showed a lot for a while. And what's funny is that when it comes to like New Year's Day or even Christmas Day, sometimes they'll show every year one of those big holidays, they show UFO shows almost all day long. And what's great about the UFO or the History Channel ones is at least
they finally stopped having a debunker at the end of the show. Used to be all the shows had a Debunker at the end, but History Channel broke that change. So we're gonna be talking to James Box, a great guy, an incredible guy, a lot of fun, and we'll also be talking about something a little off topic for a second where he's at right now, because of course, in that last little break you heard the news about VP and everybody knows about the oil spill and everything. He's out there and he's
made some shocking discoveries out there recently, so good just today. So we'll talk a little bit about that when he gets on. However, before we get to our guests, let's go ahead and talk news. Every day, practically every day, we're posting UFO news from conventional news sources on our website, Open Mindset TV, and every radio show. We have our news correspondent, Jason McLellan here to share those news stories with us. Hey, Jason, I take my microphone. There we go, and now I can say
it again. Greeting Zalehundro readings, my friend, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday, June sixth, twenty ten. The future of the Annual Roswell UFO Festival may be in jeopardy. The Roswell City Council recently approved a preliminary budget for next year, and it didn't include any funding for next year's festival. This year's UFO festival had AIG had a budget of one hundred fifty thousand dollars, but some officials feel
that using city funds for the festival is outrageous. City officials plan to review the budget and determine whether or not to use lodging tax revenues to fund thet Roswell UFO Festival next year. Now, Alejandro, I know that you've been involved at this festival before, and you've been there many times, and isn't
the festival and tourism in general really the lifeblood of Roswell Well? I guess from what I understand there have even been a couple of hotels that have popped up solely for the reason of the festival, So that would be damaging, I think, to the city if they let it go completely. Luckily, only one of the officials had said it was a complete waste of money, so they'll probably cut the budget a bit, but hopefully open minds will be
there to save the day. We're a major sponsor of the event. This year, I'll be speaking and so come to Roswell on the fourth of July weekend and I know we'll talk to him and see how we can help out next year. Huh, that'd be great. You want to come and wear an het outfit or something, I'll do what I have to. Thank you, you know. The news. The Boston Globe published an article last week about the Association for Psychology Psychological Science as the annual convention that just took place.
The article highlights a panel discussion that took place at the convention entitled Alien Abduction Experiences, Normal Science or Revolutionary Science. Alejandro, this goes right to your points and I love bringing it up time and time again. This shows
that scientists are in fact interested in the UFO topic. It was great because one of the quotes from the guy who runs that organization said, if we don't look at the amazing claims, the farfetch claims out there, then we're going to miss out on major discoveries, which is a very wise stance for a scientist to take. And I know some of the best scientists, like Einstein, took that stance because that's what discovery is all about, looking into
the unknown. It seems like just this year alone, so many of these scientific organizations, their annual meetings, their annual conferences, have been addressing the extraterrestrial UFO PHENANMENA. Yeah, it's really great to see. And of course we've had some of those people on the show. I interviewed Shostak. In fact, I should put a piece of that interview together for our show here,
but you can also read about it online. But yeah, we've been able to talk to a lot of these scientists where they've opened up and they're at least willing to discuss because even though they disagree with us, they disagree with each other on a lot of stuff too, right, And I think we'll have more coming out that we'll want to talk about it. In other news, evidence of life has been found on Saturn's biggest moon, Titan.
Natha's Cassini probe has analyzed Titan and has found a surface to be the most earth like world in our Solar System, with mountains, lakes, and rivers. But the liquid on Titan isn't water, it's methane, and scientists expect like there to be methane based evidence also shows that hydrogen gas flowing down through Titan's atmosphere disappears at the surface, leading scientists to believe that alien bugs are breathing hydrogen. What if they're not bugs, What if they're dinosaurs on Titan.
That could be a big bug. I guess yeah, big giant bugs like that movie Starship Troopers. Hopefully they're nice. But this is cool. This is a really cool idea, so exciting. It's so exciting that pretty soon, I think we're going to discover evidence for life in our Solar system. If it's on Mars, the closest planet, that's absolutely incredible. But still, even if it's in our Solar system, what that means is that life is abundant throughout the universe. And recently we've been talking about, you
know, the additional evidence has come out about life on Mars. So I think, yeah, we're getting closer. Yeah, it's exciting, very exciting. We're living in exciting times. I don't know about you, but every time I live is exciting. Amen, brother, All right, let's go into some entertainment news. Entertainment news is fun. Dennis Hopper passed away last week, and while the name Dennis Hopper doesn't make most people think about UFOs.
The actor apparently had an early impact on some UFO researchers. According to Vancouver based paranormal researcher John Kelly, the script for the movie Easy Writer, that Hopper co wrote with Peter Fonda, helped introduce UFO information to a large audience. A scene in the movie shows Dennis Hopper and Jack Nicholson discussing extraterrestrials and their presence on Earth. They talk about alien bases here on our planet,
alien technology, and government suppression of information. Yeah. At first, some people were saying, you know, the scene was to set up just that there are these stone goofballs, But when I rewatched it, that's not the case. Really, they are talking about Jack Nicholson, who's always a lot of fun. They're talking about some of the Adams Gay early contact e stuff that really these people were talking about and was a big deal in UFO
research back then and prior to that. So it was interesting. And you know, I'd seen that movie years and years ago and didn't remember that scene at all, and now going back and watching it is incredible. Yeah, it's so fun. It's a great scene. That's hilarious. We have more entertainment news. Robbie Williams, the hugely famous UK pop star, And I love talking about Robbi Williams because I always think back to your story with Ross
Hemsworth. Yeah, you know Robbie Williams. Really, even still now, I don't think most people in the United States have any idea who Robbie Williams is. And even if I add a little bit more information and say he was in the boy band take that who, that doesn't help at all. Uh huh. But tell your story about when Robbie Williams showed up at the International UFO Congress two years ago. Yeah, he shows up and everybody's getting
really excited. And I saw Ross grabbing his equipment to go do an interview, and I said, Ross is from the UK, by the way, and I asked, who's here and he says Robbie Williams And I said who's that. They said, Robbie Williams, only the most famous pop saw in the world. And he went racing off. And that's the only time I think I disappointed Ross. I didn't know who Robbie was. I love that story. Yeah, I still don't think most people know who Robby Williams is,
but Robbie Williams is a hugely famous UK pop star. He is reportedly selling the english manster mansion he just purchased last year. The house is located in an area with frequent crop circle activity. Williams, who was deeply interested in the UFO phenomenon, purchased the house with the hopes of spotting UFOs. But it seems that Robbie's love for his fiance is more than his love for
UFOs because he's packing up and moving to LA to be with her. And I guess, well, he claims he's moving to LA to be with his fiance, but maybe he's secretly making the move because he heard about that ring shaped UFO that was in La last week. Maybe, but then again, you know, UFOs are all over. He doesn't need to buy some place in some wor space. He's a pop star. It doesn't have to make sense with his right ale handra That's all the news I have for today.
Oh right, great, thank you very much. Someone just reminded me dan Oky good buddy, who was in been listening to the show for a long time, reminded me that you can watch the show live at open Minds dot tv. On video on the watch this tab and Dan is having problems because he can't figure out how to push the buttons. He's out there in the middle of nowhere, and you know, not that computer savvy, I guess,
but we'll keep helping him until he reaches the destination. But you can watch us there, which is a lot of fun because then you can see Jason and all the funny faces that he makes while he's doing the news only sometimes, but yeah, that's other exciting news. There's some of those rings that are happening in Australia. This was a new one for me when I posted the news today. It was the first time I ever posted a news
story on UFOs from ESPN. And it was funny because it was actually related to a surfer who went out surfing and he saw this UFO that many people saw of our Australia. It was another one of those rings, and I think perhaps it was a rocket, But that was kind of interesting ESPN covering it and they took it very seriously because they take this surfer guy very seriously. But are these rings rockets? Are not? It's kind of weird that
these rings are happening so much lately. You know, why weren't they happening before? Why is it only now that people are starting to see some of these things. So those were two pretty big stories. That's a big story going on right now. There's a lot of speculation that that was a rocket
launched from Cape Canaveral. It was one of the tech the initial test flight for a company launching space as part of the new initiative to get private companies into space, and went off without a hitch, and so the White House was very excited about that. They were very excited about that. Trying to get back and restock the space station and hopefully it won't be long till we'll be doing the show from space. Well, we need to make friends with
Virgin Galactic I think yeah, or Bigelow or Big below Virgin. They'll get us up there and Big Low provide the space for us. We can have a suite in his hotel. That would be wonderful. All right, everybody, stay tuned. We've got some great news coming from James Fox, the UFO documentary maker. His history in UFO documentaries and some incredibly discoverers discoveries he's made today. Stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. You're listening
to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas. I'm KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. Hello and welcome back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. This is Alejandro Rojas and we have our guests James Fox on the line, UFO documentary producer and today when he called me earlier, he's off in New Orleans in the area of the golf and it sounds more like China. What's going on
down there than the United States? Pretty shocking, and I was wondering, maybe let's get this out of their way real quick on what you discovered down there. Hi, Yeah, thanks for having on your show. By the way, no, thank you for being on. I'm just a little bit in shock. You think that the media and the freedom of beach right here in America. But I'll tell you right now, I just came in from Grand Isle and it's high security everywhere, lots of workers running around with badges,
security badges. We stopped at a corner market and just felt sort of under observation from the moment we got there. The friend I'm with was highly spooked. I got out and went into the corner store and just everyone's watching you and you turn to try to you know, acknowledge, you know, being there for them, and they just sort of turn away as soon as you turn your back, there watching you. And I talked to a fifteen
year old boy whose father works and the clean up crew. He said that there's a complete media blackout there, preventing anyone from flying over the still zone at all. Wow, No boats, no fishermen allowed to go in there, and that what the media is getting is one tenth of reality. Oil still is way worse than what they want the public to know about. They're arresting people. I wouldn't believe this if it didn't if I didn't see this
first hand and hear this first hand from the locals. Any locals to talk to the reporters or subject to arrest and they reports with cameras or subject to arrest, and they're just it's a complete media blackout. Someone in the chat just asked what country you're in, and that's right here in the United States. And it just was a real, real eerie feeling. The whole area was a very high security state of alarm. Wow, And what is the
pretense they can use to arrest people you know the thing. It's like they're you know, even the people there were saying, you know, this is supposed to be America. Freedom of speech, the media is supposed to have access to these sort of things. So I don't know, I mean, it really felt like third world. It was really kind of kind of scary. Yeah, pretty incredible. I know in some cases perhaps they're able to use these the gig orders type of things. Is that maybe what they're using
to arrest people. Well, I you know, I'm going to go and investigate it first thing tomorrow morning, Yeah, daylight, because it's just and you know, there was just it was a very very eerie, unsettling feeling being there and like you're just being watched. No one wanted to have any interaction with you. I even tried to say hello to a couple of people I felt were eyeballwing me for the from the the little store, and they would just look down at their shoes when I looked at him, when I
tried to acknowledge the presence. And then I was being checked out of the cell clerk. I bought a Coca Cola and he opened up with me a little bit. We actually stepped outside him as the veranda of the store, and we talked a little bit, and he said that it's a complete media blackout. People are being arrested for even talking to the reporters. And just to clarify, you're down by the Golf Region investigating the VP spill down there. I spent a couple of days, a couple days in New Orleans.
I did some man on street stuff, which I'll be posting on my Facebook site. I can link a YouTube video to your site. You'll hear the sentiments from the from the locals. They're very very upset, very very profoundly upset by what's going on. Okay, yeah, I'll do that. I'll link it to our Facebook. That's absolutely amazing that that could happen out here, and it's so frustrating this. You know, these companies don't feel any
responsibility towards taking accountability. I don't understand how they can completely section off, cording off the whole area. I mean, Obama is just there on the Friday in grand Isle. You didn't get the feeling from that report at all. What's actually going on there? Right? They are They're not allowing the media anywhere. I mean, it's it's like it's a scary concept right here in the US or just and this this kid said to me basically, you
know, his father is involved with the cleanup. He said, they don't want the media to know just how bad it really is. That if you could fly over the zone, you'd see just how much oil is there. Wow, And these massive plumes apparently they're using these I know, these what
are they calling them, with those detergents. They're using this that want to make this persons and they're causing these these heavy oil plumes just below the surface and further down below the surface trying to I mean, my only guess that there is trying to hide this how bad it really is, how awful, that's so terrible, and uh, you know that's this kind of devetails bit into the UFO arena and along the lines of something you've mentioned before I've heard
you say is that the president isn't as powerful as people think. Just like the president can get pushed out of the whole UFO arena. This could be a case. What we're seeing here sounds like kind of the president getting bullied, bullied around by these oil companies. There was no question and I'm want to consault with my friend who's with me. Now that the oil companies are
controlling that whole region, they're calling the shots. That's that's this very distinct impression that we got, and they're just the only The similar feeling I had was in was in January two thousand and eight when I was investigating the UFO over Stevensville, Texas, where the you know, the clamp was going down on the whole, like threatening of witnesses and just the general harassment, right, whether it's this I don't know, very sinister body of governing bodies somewhere
that that you know, just climping the whole thing down, right, which is unfortunate. And now let's if unless you had anything to add to or move on to the UFO subject. Absolutely, no, that's fine. I'll have a lot more to report by the end of day, at the end of tomorrow. Great. So we'll keep an eye on your Facebook and then we'll link to some of the stuff you have on your Facebook on our Facebook, and we'll Twitter and the whole social media thing will get rolling. But
with UFOs, what inspired you to get so involved? What let your fire to create these documentaries? Well, I mean I have to say that if you can imagine, uh, speaking hypothetically, that if the UFO phenomena were real, it would be one of the greatest discoveries of our time. And I am three and a half four documentaries into it, and I'm absolutely convinced.
It's a very difficult story to walk away from. I keep. After completing my first piece for Discovery Channel, I swore I'd never make another piece again. But then I got I got invited to Russia, Star City, Russia, and I met with active generals, and I met with Pavel Popovich, who just died I think last year, and those series of interviews, along with the merchan after Gordon Cooper led me to my second piece, which was Out of the Blue, and uh, I swore that I never created
another documentary VIEWFO after that was done in two thousand and three. But I but thank goodness you did continue. Now you essentially were the person and I didn't notice till recently. Who broke the fIF Simonton story, right, Yeah, I did, yeh, And you weren't expecting that. Now. Unfortunately, we don't have time to get into that right now. We've got to take a break. But when we get back from the break, we'll take about Five Simington and your documentaries, and I know you have a lot of
other really cool stories to share that we'll be talking about. But stay tuned and we will be back in a second. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. All right, welcome back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. And before we went to the break, I had mentioned how James Box, our guest UFO documentary producer, had broke the
story of five Simington. And what I mean by that is Five Simington was the governor during the famous Phoenix Lights incident, and you were surprised by what he had to say when you went and interviewed him on the subject. Well, you know, it's funny because I decided in two thousand and three is when Out of the Blue was released. At that point, the film had
just documented what the governor had done. He staged that sort of silly press conference where he had one of his aides dressed up in an alien suit. Mid out of the whole thing. So it was always kind of really frustrated me as to why he did that, and I knew there was something more going on behind the scenes. But I in two thousand and six made a
list of I wanted to revisit Out of the Blue. I was exhausted prior to that, but I wanted to revisit Out of the Blue and just kind of revamp the film a little bit, fill in some of the interviews that I was unable to get at the time. I had a little bit more access because of the success I had No. Three when we sold the Sci Fi Channel, a number of other places Europe and whatnot. But in any case, I made a list of ten interviews and the ninth one was Governor
Simonson. Number ten was President Bill Clinton. But I was able to get to everybody but Bill Clinton. And I remember when in two thousand and six, when I was granted the interview with Governor five Simonson, I quickly went to my co producers and I said, hey, guys, you know you're not gonna believe this, but Governor Simonson actually agreed to meet with us. And my co producer said, well, what's he going to say? And I said, who cares, Let's go so we packed up our camera gear
and we rushed down to Santa Barbara. Because he was between Santa Barbara and Phoenix Son from San Francisco, and all the way down, I decided that who better to ask him a question than one of his former constituents and witness to the event, Stacey Rhades. So I called Stacy on the side of the road with my cell phone. I had a pocket tape recorder and I recorded a statement from her. I told her, Hey, you're not gonna believe what I'm going to meet with, you know, former Governor Fife Simonton.
Would you like to say something to him? She said, yeah, you're damn right I would, And so I pressed record on my little pocket
tape recorder and recorded a statement from her. Then, about five minutes into the interview with Governor five simonton, camera's rolling, I said, oh, Governor, I have a little something I want to share with you, And I pulled out my pocket tape quarter press play and there's you know, former constituent and witness of the event, Stacy Rhodes just lays into him right there on camera, and he he just copped to it right there on the spot
that not only had he tried to determine the origin of this massive object that flew over the state of Arizona, but that he too had seen it, and as a captain in the Air Force, a pilot and governor at the time, was unable to He just felt it was not of this earth. Yeah, which is incredible. Bought the bomb on us. I knew it was going to be a big story, but I didn't realize it was going to be as big as it was. Yeah, And it blew up.
And I think the video that lots of the news stations were showing was your video. Apparently, well, we we went. I mean we went on gosh, just about every talk show, I mean Larry King and Today's Show, and Nightline and Dateline and Anderson Cooper. I mean, my god, did a lot of shows. It was a pretty big story, right, and it led to the birth of I Know what I saw, Ah. And it was great that he was willing to back up his statements to you
and continue talking about it, at least for a period of time. He even went to several other venues to talk about it. He moderated the National Press Club event we did November of two thousand and seven, and that is pretty much the basis of the film. I know what I saw revolves around
that event. We flew in witnesses from seven countries, high ranking government military officials from seven countries, and documented the whole event over a three day period, and then Washington, DC included the National Press Club, and then the film I know what I saw revolves around that event, but it goes back in time as well, like you know, the event Water's Case, Arizona
Cave. And then we flew to France after that, and we expanded on the Commanda Report, which was also featured in the earlier version of Out of the Blue. And I remember finishing a rough cut which I thought i'd integrated into Out of the Blue is going to be re released as you know, quasi new film, but some of the same old material, like I said, sort of revamped, and I was all excited I got the thing done.
I was I had to buy out my previous producers because they were at the end of the rope and finances were stained, and I mean, it was just a whole ordeal. And this agent in Hollywood said, you know, it was amazing what was all happening, and reviewed the film and she said, oh, this is great. This is a really good film.
And I was at the end of my rope at this point. But I tell you, if you spent another year, a year and a half gaining some additional you know, witnesses and more camera footage, I think you could have a really good film. Yeah, I'm done. I'm done. But we went. We went another year and a half, two years actually, and that was the birth of I know what I saw. Yeah. Well, and you've got some absolutely incredible interviews some of those foreign people, including
a general right from the from Belgium. Yeah, yeah, de Brauer, Yeah, I've met. He's a really interesting guy, talking about the case that they took very serious, of the triangles that they were seeing over there over Belgium. We talked about the attempt to intercept the UFO, talked a little bit about the video cams taken and I think it was the F sixteen,
and you know, basically the inquiries. This is really funny actually, and I mentioned this a number of times, is that you know, the US government or the Air Forces, they no longer conduct any interest or investigations into the UFOs. Since the termination of the Blue Book in nineteen sixty nine, and yet every single major UFO siding around the world, including Tehran Iran in nineteen seventy six, had a representative of the US government there investigating the
cases. Foyer released documents to back this up and statements from General saying that there were US representatives in making inquiries into these So those fully an investigative arm of US government somewhere. They're just completely secretive. Yeh what And getting onto some of the other incredible interviews you got, you were actually able to interview
Jerald Ford. Yeah, it was really funny. You know. I spent probably like a better part of a year and a half back and forth with his secretary, Penny Circle, and it seemed possible that he would agree to an interview, but it took forever to kind of pin down. I never got a definitive answer. One day, my phone rings in the early afternoon, picked up and Penny Circles he says, the President is ready to speak
with you. I'm not ready. Can you give me a couple of minutes to get some recording devices to other I know this was out of the blue, yeah, and so I scrambled quickly. I had about two minutes to get ready and I got a recording device and I had a very brief phone interview with with President jeral Ford. That much have been great. I mean, it was amazing. It was amazing. What was funny is that he's
like, well, look then I'm gonna I'm gonna like you. I'm gonna I'm gonna basically verify that he pushed for congressional hearings in sixty six sixty eight because of that massive siding that was over Michigan in nineteen sixty six, and he was then congressman, and so I guess his constituents were up in arms when the Air Force came out and said, I was just a bunch of swamp gasts, and so they put pressure on him and he pushed for congressional
hearings, and he backed that story up with me. But then when I tried to take it a step further and asked when during his presidency whether or not he you know, looked into the matter, he just shut me down. He wouldn't answer. He said, yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not going any further with this m which is at least he gave you something.
I was thrilled that he gave me something. And we also were the first people that I know of to get Jimmy Carter to admit on camera having seen a UFO and made inquiries during his presidency right, which was quite a cupe. Yeah, itself, I think you've been pretty successful, and I would probably attribute that to and maintains stance if you agree kind of the angle you take, the way you approach this subject. Could you kind of explain
your approach? Well, I get a lot of flak from the UFO community, and it's not that I don't want to take it to another level. I just feel that it's very very important too in order to get the people of credentials or credible witnesses to come forward, to give them a platform that's free of any kind of let's say, accusations, but claims that cannot be backed up. In other words, I can't prove that ets are visiting the
planet. However, there's a plunderance of evidence suggest there are structured crafts of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity in our airspace, with technology so far beyond anything we have or had fifty years ago. That makes a very strong argument that we are being that it's not if it's not us, in other words, and it's not the Russians, and it's not anybody else, then you know, natural conclusion would be we're being visited. But I don't actually say
that, right see, and I agree with that perspective. It's kind of like it reminds me of like that the Jaws of life. How you just got to get in there with this powerful information to really open up the public, which is obviously a very difficult task, but to get more and more people interested because of course, you know, one thing I always realize is how little the resources are in the UFO research field. So we need to
get some of these conventional organizations involved to help us out here. Well, you know, we've something i'd like to capitalize on. As we've got the thirty year anniversary of the Bentwaters incident happened this year. I think it'd be a terrible shame not to to host an event with a lot of the new witnesses that are coming forward, as well as some of the older witnesses that have come forward, right and really, because you know, we've got all
the ingredients of a very very solid case. And I've just talked to Jim Penniston about this. Jim Penison was the sergeants that sat with the craft on the ground with John Burrows and Kambansag and he said that every thirty years these cases come under review for a release of their classification, in other words, for the stuff to be released either. So if we could put pressure on the representatives, particularly their representatives, there's a chance that we could get the
US government to release their documents on the case. Right, Well, we'll talk more about that. We'll talk more about bent Waters. There's a requestion that chat to talk about Condon and we'll also talk about buzz Aldrin. I want to ask you about that when we get back from our break and just the Humanutier. You're listening to Open Mind Radio. I'm your host, Telejandro
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maker and one of the people in our chat rooms. Wanting to ask you about the Condon Report and your thoughts regarding the Condon Report. Maybe you can kind of explain as quick as possible what it was for those of us who
don't know. Well, it's funny actually, because we we went back and forth on covering the Condon Report in Out of the Blue, and my partners didn't really want to have anything to do with it because they kept saying, look, you know, we're making key elements of this story then I got an interview with doctor Peter Sturk, Stanford physicist, and you know he lived
through that hole, right. And you know that, in my opinion, is an extremely significant case, our story, because it's probably the closest we ever came to disclosure on the subject. I mean fact that we had congressional hearings, and you know, Congress decided that the Air Force was excuse my terminology but for no better term but expression should I say, for what dogg you do do? So they convened a group of scientists and made the Air
Force pay for it. I think it was a half was five hundred thousand dollars for the investigation involved scientists at the Colorado University, and you know, all sorts of I guess that the memos leaked up, But the nutshell, basically what happened was is at the end of the day, at the end of the study, the as one would expect, the scientists concluded, it's a very thick report kind of report that you know, there are some of them. There's not enough data for UFOs to some of the cases to explain
some of them. Wasn't enough data, so someone ambiguous and some of the few cases were bonafide UFOs where everything checked out, photographs, eyewitness testimony. But doctor Connan, Edward Connon was very clear from the beginning of the investigation that you know, don't bother me with the evidence. I have to quote
San Freeman on this. My mind's already made up. And so as doctor Peter Sturk had pointed out to me, you know, the media didn't bother to sit through the body of the data, but instead just the summary written by doctor Edward Condon, which basically said it there's nothing to it and pretty much you know, that conclusion was drawn. H and they you know, they closed, they terminate right around that same time they terminated a Project Bluebook
and you know, washed their hands clean and walked away. But if you go back to the Connor important actually look at some of the case studies, you'll see that there were some conclusions where they agreed that it was the bona fide UFO, right, And these are for the most part, even to this day, some of the only scientific conclusions in this report where they thoroughly investigated that these and determined that these were us. These were these large craft
structured craft in the sky. Yeah, one of the cases. That was mcvindel organ taken on the trench. Those photographs actually, you know, I really wanted to read. I really liked to at some point revisit the Condon Report. I think a whole documentary could be made on that right alone. There was all kinds of alarms or to tell signs that the fix was in from the beginning. I think Congressman Rouche had pushed for more transparency. But you know, and like I said, I think it was the closest we
game to disclosure. Ben. That was what in the sixties, right. Donald Kehoe wrote a book UFOs Are Real. He wrote several books. He was in charge of Nightcap, as you know, a major in the Marines. His books are very revealing too about that report, because they tried to use some of the Nightcap cases, but just about how they really didn't investigate at times astorially as they should have, or how they predetermined their decisions.
Like you had said, I interviewed Richard Hall right before he died. He's featured in I Know What I Saw. He had talked about his relationship with with Donald Kiho and yeah, and he lived through that whole period. Richard Hall was very, very helpful actually with the historical perspective. I did a snapshot history, and I know what I saw, just because I thought I wanted to create a body of evidence that could be presented to you know,
mainstream going on the assumption that they didn't know anything about the history. And so I did a snapshot history of all of that, and Richard Hall was very instrumental in putting that together. I want to about bas Aldrin, and you came close to being able to interview him, yes, And he seems to flip flop on this the ideas of whether he saw a UF or not. Sometimes he says he does and that makes big news and then he recants
it. Well, that's somewhat consistent with my experience with him, because I'm friends with his sister Fay and Potter, and also worked on a movie set, the Legend of Over Taggart back in the nineties with Mickey Rooney and his wife Jan Rooney, and they had both you know, we were started talking on the movie said oh what are you and you know, what are you doing? You know, James, I was an Exeterra on the movie set. It was in New Mexico, and I told him, Ah, I
thought I was trying to get a bunch of laughter. I told him UFOs and Mickey Rooney and Jan Runey said, oh, you know, we're good friends with buzz Aldron, and they they say, he's got something to share,
you know, about his fighting. He had Wow. And I spent, well, I guess close the better part of ten years trying to get an interview with him, and between Mickey Rooney, they wrote a letter to buzz Aldron as well as his sister, Say and Potter and we he granted me an interview, and I think it was in like ninety nine, correct me if I'm wrong. Ninety nine, Yeah, right around nineteen ninety nine, and he said, meet me in I was in Chenge, just for
the time, meet me in Monte Carlo, montic Carlo. Well, I mean just the fact that I had an interview with buzz Older and I leaped to the occasion and followed ten thousand bucks, got a camera crew together and flew to the south of France, and every day he kept putting me off. And I remember short of day four, I got him on the front of my hotel room. It's a very expensive place to be, yeah, you know, and I had all these people with me. I was a couple of people with me, and I said, you know, I,
with all due respect, I can't. I can't stay here forever. You granted me an interview. Let's let's you know, let's can we do it? He said, Okay, tomorrow morning, meet me in my hotel lobby. Don't have any cameras rolling, but I'll me too, you know, in the hotel lobby. So the next morning I showed up ten minutes earlier, and I went to the little cafe and the hotel lobby and I was having a coffee and the contierge came, I'm mister Bucks. Instead of one
call, I picked it up and it was buzz welbyn. He said, I can't do it. I said, well, what do you mean. I flew all the way down here, I got a crew. You agreed to do this interview. He said. Paul Allen has just invested in SETI, which is NASA's program for you know, the search for US custural life in the universe, and he was labeled a UFO not and I can't jeopardize my initiative of getting funding to develop a rocket that will label citizens to go
into oter space and so. And then he said, and what difference is my story going to make anyway? And I said, well, with all due respect, it takes people of your caliber to come forward to really elevate the phenomenon out of the rut that it's in. And it's it's it's a tremendous significance for someone of your of your stature to come forward. It said, well, I can't do it, so, as you know, you
can imagine how I felt. I have a friendly graph of me. I have a photograph of me in a cafe at that very cafe, right moments after I got the news, and I just looked gutted. You know, you don't look very happy, and it would it's too bad. He couldn't have told you this five days earlier. Yeah, I know, I could. I know. I ended up. I ended up jumping on a plane. I went to Greece to more and in Greece, well, I'm sorry that we're out of time because I had some more questions and some people in
the chat had some more questions. So we'll just have to have you on again my Facebook. I got a Facebook fan page, but I know what I saw. Please join, people can ask me questions. I interact with there at least a couple times a week. It's I know what I saw on Facebook. I know what I saw on Facebook, and you can go to our Facebook. We'll put some stuff out there, So thank you so much for joining us, James. Next week we're going to have David Watts
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