Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. We are live in Lachlin, Nevada at the International UFO Congress. This is the UFO conference, the largest in the United States. There are probably like a thousand people here. There's something like six hundred and fifty people that preregistered. However, there are dozens of people arriving on a daily basis registering for some of the great talks. In fact, I think right now Travis Walton is talking. If you haven't
looked into his case, it's incredible. He was the subject of the movie Fire in the Skaya Paramount smash hit about this gentleman who got abducted in the seventies. So if you haven't seen the movie, check it out. Hopefully you watched us out in our live stream last night where we interviewed him and he talked about what really happened, because in this blockbuster movie, the portion where this gentleman was a board a craft is not accurate in the movie.
However, it was accurate last night from the mouth of Travis on our life streaming at openmindstat TV. So remember we're doing that every night at seven thirty Pacific, so that's eight thirty Arizona time at openmindstat TV and you can see that live tonight. We'll be interviewing a couple of the guests as well. We'll probably have on well we're not positive who were having on for sure tonight, because we're just grabbing people, we're gonna try to grab Daniel Sheehan.
He's a lawyer. He helped out with the Disclosure Project. That's something that you definitely have to check out if you haven't. The Disclosure Project was this process where this gentleman, Stephen Greer, got hundreds of witnesses, including many of them military, and Daniel Sheehan was a lawyer who helped him with that cause. And essentially their goal was, hey, you know, if you're working on these seas black projects, the oath you took is illegal anyway,
because there are legal projects. So if someone comes after you for talking about what you've witnessed in the military working on UFOs or otherwise, then he promised he would defend them. And they went out and talked and nobody the government never said, hey, you're not supposed to be talking about those UFOs, so which would kind of be cool if they did, of course, because that would validate that these people really had some experiences. So that's what we're
up to. There are speakers all day today, there are speakers all day tomorrow. There's are a film festival here every evening, and we will be filming live the results of the film festival tomorrow on our streaming and that'll be the people who win the coveted Ebe Award, which the filmmakers win for great work. But as usual, before we get to our guests, and I'd better tell you who that guest is, it's the famous Mexican upologist Jaime Mussan
as his own television show, The Guy is Famous. I've gotten to dinner with a guy and people will come out of the kitchen and ask for signatures and and the Spanish speaking world. He has mister ufology and we will have him on in a minute. But before we do, we've got Jason McClellan back and he is going to give us some news. Let's talk news, Jason, Thanks Alejandro. Let's get into the news. In Mexico, a
circular or halo cloud was recently photographed over Mexico. This cloud was strikingly similar to the one seen over Russia last October Many have speculated that these clouds are cloaked UFOs, but meteorologists explained the phenomenon with rare naturally occurring weather behavior. In addition to the sightings in Mexico and Russia, these strange clouds cloud formations have appeared recently in Indonesia and Romania. So all over, yeah, they're
weird, they're weird stuff. Who's to say with clouds, But they're definitely pretty pictures to look at. We'll ask me about this Mexican one, for sure. On the China, China has its site that on the Moon. In twenty twenty, China hopes to land its first man ever on the lunar surface. This news comes just after President Obama's cancelation of the NASA's Constellation program,
the program that would have taken the US back to the Moon. Another space race made to be developing, as both India and Japan are also planning to launch lunar missions later in the near future. Yeah, I mean that's interesting. Obama essentially gave the private companies the go ahead that they're gonna help fund them to do things like go to the Moon and stuff like that.
So we'll see if a private company comes in bids for some sort of projects like that, which would be pretty cool because maybe then you could apply it. I could apply to go out there and I'll be able to broadcast from the Moon. That would be really cool. Let's work on that. Yeah, for sure, we've got some inroads with some of these aerospace companies, but that it'll be interesting if India and China are on the Moon and then
you know, NASA's on Mars. That'd be cool, very cool. And in some local Arizona news, a strange light was seen in the sky over tuth On earlier this week near Davis Mothin Air Force Base. Video of the daytime sighting was captured on a cell phone by a sixteen year old boy, and it shows a bright object's zooming through the sky. The object was low in the sky and doesn't look like any earthly craft. TV Channel nine and two son did a short story on the sighting, but was unable to determine
what it was. Yeah, and we've got these links on our website, So remember front page of Openminds dot tv. You've got links to all of this, including a link to the Channel nine website where they have a video posted that you can look at and you can determine what you think yourself. And they've got their complete coverage of this situation on their website, which is pretty cool. Definitely, I watched the video yesterday in I've watched it a
couple of times times. It's kind of cool to watch these things just zoom over the kid's head. Yeah, and it's neat writ in Tucson, who knows what the heck that that thing is. James mcgaha, who is a guy who worked for the Air Force and is an astronomer, took a look at it and kind of debunked it on the news coverage Channel nine had. He also was on Larry King when they were covering the Phoenix lights and it was debunking that. But really what he has to say is kind of it
doesn't make sense, it doesn't fit what you're seeing. He's saying he's not a video expert, and he is kind of talking about the video quality on this one. And then he said, there were eight tens that flew over Phoenix. Those are very loud planes. Those are as loud as it kids, And I'm sure living in Phoenix, a lot of people have heard those A tens fly over. You don't miss that. But what people described in
the Phoenix lights made no sound at all. That's right. I grew up in the Buckeye area and we had a tens flying over the house all the time. Those things are loud. Yeah, they're really loud. So highlights from or did you have more news before I get that's it for me, Alejandro Cool? Highlights from Laughlin? How have you been enjoying yourself? Jason
Laughlin is fantastic. You know, this conference last year and it was so exciting to come back and you see a lot of the same people here year after year, and you just get to talk to some incredible people here. M h. It's a lot of fun. And then of course the speakers are phenomenal. Are speaker well. The last few guests that we've had on the radio show are here, Chuck Zukowski, Barbara Lamb, David Sarita. People loved last week's show with David Sarita, and he's here to reveal even
more. I mean, he told us some stuff no one else had heard, and he's going to be talking about more that no one else has heard here. So it is a lot of fun. It's a lot of work for us of course, doing our show. We're also taking over the Congress and we are moving it to Phoenix, the home of KFNEX Radio. So that's really exciting because all of you in the Phoenix metro area are going to be able to come and enjoy this yourself without having to go so far.
So that's a lot of fun. We are extremely excited about that. It's difficult for us in a way because we're having to convince people who love Laughlin that you want to come to Phoenix. But you know what, Phoenix is beautiful, so that's absolutely no problem. So this is going to be wonderful to have, you know, this going on in the Phoenix metro area. It's going to be at the Fort McDowell Resort, which is just gorgeous.
We have a representative from the resort here who is handing out paperwork and helping us on that. So we and now everybody else that we've talked to is very excited about doing this in Phoenix. We'll be talking more about that, but let's go to break. After the break, we've got him Mussan, So stay tuned, all right, welcome back, and remember at Open Minds
to that TV you can also see a lot of news videos. So the news that we've got in the magazine, news pieces that we've written about these are all encapsulated in these cool little news vignettes, and we've been taking all of them and showing him here at the Congress and that's been quite a hit, a lot of people hanging out and watching that. But more importantly, we've got our guest here with us in my hotel room. We've got him Mussan. Thanks for joining us, Alejandro. How are you doing good?
Doing good? You've been keeping busy here? Huh. Yes, I am coming from interviewing Stan Romaneque, which is an extraordinary case. I know some people criticize his case, but I can tell you that there is so much in this case. It's very real, and their incredible evidence. I think people should listen to this man more carefully. Yeah, you know, he was on our show, and I had him on because he's a friend. Mind. I've investigated the case, and I know people criticize it a lot
because it's a lot to take. But you know, I love that people are able to come here see more of his evidence so they can see for themselves and judgment and especially talking to him. You know, you feel how honest he is. It's something I have developed. I've been in a journalist for forty years and I can't tell you when someone is telling you the truth or lying, right. That's just an instinct that you developed when you are
investigative journalists for solo like I have. And I can tell you that you can feel the honesty of this man. And I think people should listen. I'm going to present a full hour, a full and a half, one hour and a half in my television show in Mexico from this interview, and the evidence is that he presented. The videos of the creatures, the extraterrestrials are just incredible. Yeah, and I know, I'm very sure they're real. I can say you know for myself, he did not fake those things.
No, even he questions, maybe you know, someone was tricking him or something, and who knows, maybe that's the case, but he did not do that. He did not. He told me about the daughters. Yeah, oh right. His daughters are his biggest, biggest critics ever, and they're his stepdaughters, these twin girls. If you go to the house,
which you should come to his house. He loves having people over you can meet them, but they watch him like hawks, and they tell me, you know, they're watching him, and they're like, if he's faking something, they're gonna catch it, because I mean, they don't like this stuff being in their lives. Of course, it makes them different. It's traumatic. And of course everybody with the family which is this wouldn't have happened. So it's not something these guys are are making any money off of,
really, or or something that they've invited to to happen to them. Yeah, I think I'm going to present this story and I'm going to make the follow up because this is just in the middle. This is happening right now, and I think it's going to continue happening. Yeah. Now, how the people you've talked to you who watch this talk and it was probably it's interesting that people are very interested in these abduction cases. Stan Romanek had a
huge crowd, everybody was there. Travis Walton talked this morning, same thing. Those are probably the two biggest talks so far. And next we always know that you packed the house as well, But how are people reacting to stands incredibly? I mean, I think I felt that most of the people believed in what they saw, because when you are in the presence of the goodness, it's different that when you just have investigators. That's the case in
two thousand and three, Quen we learn about this case. It was not presented by him. It was presented by some experts, some scientists, even scientists, and the case was really good and really really impressive. But this time, when you have him and you hear from him the little details the inside the story, is very different. I think people should boy the book.
Very soon. He's going to have a documentary when you will be able to see some of the evidence that he presented here and you will realize how important is what is going on with him, you know. You know. Another good point too, is that people are going to be able to buy his presentation as ye yea and or at UFO Congress dot com and probably in the next couple of weeks here you will be able to see the presentation and see all of this and judge for yourself. Probably next year in Open Minds.
Yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, next year, because we'll be taking it over and moving it to Phoenix. This is incredible. Yeah, that's a lot of fun. So your presentation. Well, actually, let's get into a little bit of your history. Now. You used to host the Sixty Minutes of Mexico. Yes, I did it from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety five. The program ended with the highest ratings on the Mexican television.
I don't know why it ended, probably because of political reasons. In a way, I am happy it did, because probably I would be dead at this moment. You know, it was very dangerous what I did then, But at that moment they stopped when they were going to attack a journalist in
Mexico. We were some kind, somehow sacred or divine. They weren't dare to do anything bad to us. But at this moment, any investigative journalists in my country is in real dunion, especially if you go around drugs or something like that, you know, narcs, and then you are putting your life in risk. I am very sure in Sixty Minutes we would have done that because we were very adventurous and we didn't care about how Hriskey was,
how dangerous it was. And then I am very sure we would have done some very dangerous programs and parably, at this moment, I wouldn't be doing UFOs, I wouldn't be doing anything probably wow. On the ground. So right now because of the drug wars going on with the drug sellers and the government. If you talk a journalist who cover the drug wars, they are under danger incredibly and they are dying. They are dying. I mean especially
in the little towns away from the cities. That's where it is more more dangerous. But it could happen to anybody. Yeah, I mean, I am very sure that they would have attacked us if we were presenting this in sixty Minutes. And probably God didn't want us. I mean, he didn't want us to have that kind of destiny, and that's why we are doing something else. But that's real. I was in sixty Minutes for fifteen years. I was a very good friend with Mike Wallace. I met some of
the people I work very close to good sixty minutes in the US. And actually we have more about your history on the first issue of our magazine that's coming out a couple of weeks. Yeah, I saw it, Thank you very much. Oh did you read the article? You do know, I haven't read the art. I saw it, okay, and I saw that you wrote this story I am very anxious to see it. Yeah, I hope you like it, because it's too late now it's going out to print, so if you don't like it. But so from sixty minutes then you
went into the UFOs and now your show is very popular. Yeah, because I never planned this, but I earned the credibility through tell through the work I presented in nineteen seventy three. As a matter of fact, I started in television seventy two until ninety five, that's almost twenty three years presenting these journalistic stories. Then when I presented the UFO stories and the UFO investigation after ninety one and especially after ninety seven that I had my show, I was
welcomed by the Mexican people. Even my presentation, my conferences were very crowded, very successful. From that moment, I realized that I what I did before it helped me to present something so problematic as the UFO phenomenon. Many people don't believe in it, but many people understand that when somebody who is honest is behind investigation, probably they are they are receiving the truth. That's what I try to do, and that's I think the connection I made to
the Mexican people. Most people think I am honest. Some people think that because I am presenting this phenomenon now, I am not trustable. But those are the less I say that most people still believe that what I say is the truth, and that somehow I have the courage or I take the risk to present something which is going to be poleemic and problematic, you know, And but that's the way it is. I mean, I'm behind the truth.
I am looking for the truth, and this is the truth. And any any person who is listening to me out there and don't believe in this, okay, just try to investigate this. And I am very sure any journalists who is listening to just investigate this, and you're going to find that this is real. Right. That's what I think is incredible that anybody who really looks at the facts, really looks at the evidence, you find stuff.
There is a lot of great stuff out there. That's what's exciting about being a part of Open Minds to get this information out to people, because there's a lot there. And there's some researchers that argue that if you don't believe, you probably haven't looked too heavily into it, and that's typically the case. Yeah, yeah, that's in most of the cases. People that don't believe in this is people that just they don't think is real. They
don't know that it is not real. I mean when somebody says this is not real and I said, you know, or do you believe? If you know, tell me why you know? Or if you believe, I understand you believe it's not real? You see. But the thing here is not to believe or not to believe, is to investigate, is to know or not to know, you know? And I want an open minds because I know Johan Wow, it's behind the scientific truth. He's looking for this
and that is why I think you're going to be very successful. Yeah, that's what's exciting about this conference. And I think the guest we've been able to bring is that they're very credible, and I hope you know, we've been really able to open the minds of people here in the Phoenix metro area. But we're going to take a short break and then we'll come back and we'll talk about some of the amazing evidence that you're going to be presenting during
your talk. So stay tuned. You're listening to open Minds Radio on kfn X. All right, welcome back. This is your host Alejandro Rojas, and you're listening to Open Minds Radio and we're here with the famous Hime Mussan. When we went to dinner with you in Phoenix, people were coming and getting your signature, and that was happening here. There's a guy asking me throughout the week when time they come and when time they come in. So,
especially in the Spanish speaking world, you're you're very famous. Well, after four years in the television, you know, investigation reports, people finally know you and that is why you know. I am yeah, I am really fortunate to be this popular. Do you find that Americans are much more skeptical of this subject than in Mexico? Really? Yeah, the Americans, the English people, and there are others who are really skeptical. They have it in front of the nose and they don't want to accept it, they
don't want to believe it. They just take whatever the so called scientists say. And if the scientists say this is not true, that's it. They don't need to investigate that. And everybody, anybody who believes in this is a food and if they are absolutely wrong, my friend I can't tell you for sure because I saw two living creatures. Oh really, absolutely, Where
did you see this? And May twenty seven, nineteen ninety nine, at the Rumor Rosa, Sierra, I was investigating a case where three young kids were surrounded by creatures, first by UFOs and then by creatures back in nineteen ninety seven. Two years after that, I was the same day because it happened to them the seventeenth eighteenth of May nineteen ninety seven. I went there twenty sixty seven or something like that of May ninety nine, and at two
o'clock in the morning, I was really exhausted. I was sleeping inside by sleeping bag, and they called me and said, hi me, what is that? And they called me many times, and then didn't want to go out because I was very retired. And I just told them if it's a UFO, johnery on it and I will show you, I will say tomorrow. And they insisted until I came out. I was a little bit mad
because they didn't let me rest. And I saw a couple of very bright creatures moving seventy meters from us. I remember this guy, the guy, the man who took us there was making a fund of all of us all the time. Oh, they are gonna come for you, for you from Mars or whatever. They starched rest us and so on. When this happened, I looked for him and she was inside he's sleeping bag, and you
couldn't even see his face. Next morning, I asked what happened, Danielle, mister Danielle, and he said, oh, that's a revelation from God. And I said, probably was a deer. Probably was a big cat, and said he said, not a big cat and not a deer. This is a revelation from God. What do you think of that? I don't want to comment on that. I don't know this. Wow, And yeah, I mean that tells you any everything? Right? Right? What it is that things that you sound look like they were? I loomin.
They were small, They were phosphorescent like green, so when you're pointing to the cover of Stan's book, So they did look kind of like the typical gray aliens with the big the right, but they look green greenish like phosphorescent. Wow. So they were glowing, That's what I saw. Especially the eyes. The eyes look a little bit blue but very very bright, like
have you seen serious or venus in the sky sometimes like that. The eyes were the most startling thing from them, I mean so so bright they were, you know, and everyone saw it. I mean we were six people and I saw it from that. If I believed in the phenomenon that day, I became absolutely, absolutely convinced. I am. I feel sorry for
those who are away from this phenomenon. I don't want to investigate and don't care about it, because it's real and this is going to change your life, and it's gonna happen, and it's gonna happen soon, sooner than many people think. Oh you think pretty soon, it's going to be so obvious that everybody something is going to happen. I don't know what. I don't know if it's gonna be exciting or what. Something is going to happen. That's what I believe. If you ask me, do you know, I
tell you no, I don't know. I think because I've seen the development of this phenomena. I've seen the phenomenon from very far away, little lights, little spheares far in the orison, and now I see creatures I see except for results in video, I see big craft. I mean meters away from the camera. It's clearly, it's clearly an evolution of the phenomenon. Then we will see very soon. I mean, if this continues, something
is gonna happen. I've seen this year a new phenomenon, which is signs, but in the sky, Senals and in Seattle we had signs on the ground through the crop circles from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty three until now we are seeing now the same stuff in the sky. Now are you talking about actual kind of just craft aligned in shape? Okay? I see, for example, the big spirou that we have December the ninth in Toroms of Norway. Everybody was amazed of them, and then they said, oh, it
was a rocket, a missile from Russia. Then everything is explained. And then the Secretary of Defense of Russia came and he said that was not O's and the secretary of Defense from Norway came and he said, there was not a rocket from Russia. And we know that as a five. And you know what, the media didn't care about it. They never went back to see what really happened. And we found out the spiral the same phenomenon you see they saw in the sky. We have found many Petrovisus with these spirals
thousands of years of character or five thousand years, three thousand years. And you can see this in the stone right throughout the southwestern America here there. And let me tell you, February eighteenth, two thousand and ten, we had two spirals in the sky with auroras with the shape of spirals. You never seen something like that before. Where was that? This is the first
time. It happened in two in Finland and in Norway, as a matter of fact, in Toronto, the same city where we had the original spiral back in December two thousand and nine, and now we have the same phenomenon in two thousand and ten, February eighteen, and you have it in two places which are probably six hundred six to seven hundred miles apart at least. How can you have this phenomenon? I mean, you don't have spirals, you don't have aurora making these circles in the sky. There is none recorded
so far. These are the first two known. And I don't know, somebody has a pictures or something. I don't know, but no, this is the first time. And it's incredible that we had both at the same time and something else happened at the same time that we had the spiral in December ninth, twenty ten, we have the pyramid recorded over Mostcow over the Kremlin. Oh right, that was amazing. We posted that story so well, the story is fascinating. I know there there were many many people try
to host something similar after that was presented with the regional video. Unfortunately we don't know who recorded this. Yep, well we have seen it and analyzaid the video the cell, the cell video that was taken from the car the Red Square. Let's talk more about that. And I also want to ask you about another news piece that we covered today, which was a halo cloud halo that was seen in Mexico and people have been seeing those throughout the world
as well, so we want to talk more about that. We've got a break coming up here and we'll come back with him Maisan talk about these strange shapes in the sky. Stay tuned Open Minds Radio. All right, you're back. This is Alejandro Rojas with Open Minds Radio. And before we went to break, and I do want to mention another guy in the room is Santiago Teria, a guy you've been working with for quite a bit. And he does his presentations at the Congress. Well, I respect very much untility.
Yeah, he has been an incredible collaborator. He has helped us a lot. It's very important to the organization that we have created in Mexico. He's a real expert. He can find very easily when something is real or if it's not real. And that's it's very important for this kind of organization to have someone like Santiago, because when you don't know something about some image,
you can be easily full, you know. But fortunately he has a big historian record of all the cases that have been presented over the last twenty or third years, I mean, and sometimes for example, let me give you an example, and I think was a Romania as they presented No Bulgaria, they presented a video supposedly taken by a little kid ten years old and you can see two hands in the sky clearly, and you say, wow, And this little kid took this video. Wow, was presented by the
news in Bulgary. Wow, this has to be real. And the mother talking about this and you are and then I send all of this and tell me what do you think of this? And he had the story this was created four or five years ago, and he knows who did it, how he did it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Then four people from the Bulgary News because they didn't know they were full, but they were pulled by a little boy and his mother. That's incredible. But this
happens all the time. And now when you have all these cybernetics, you have all these computers, it's very easily to be full. That's why for us it's very important to know who is the witness, who else was there? What do we have here? For example, we have a picture that we're going to release tomorrow here in the UFO Congress where you will be able to see a pyramid, the chi Chenisa pyramid, the very famous pyramid, the Mayan Pyramid. July twenty fourth, two o'clock an thirty one seconds.
A family, the Sis and Ciliesan Hernandez family, Ectociliesan Glenn Rnandez and their two daughters, Destiny and Caroline the pictures and they took a picture of this pyramid because it was raining, they saw lighting behind the pyramids, and then this man pulled the daughters in front of the pyramids that had the pyramid and a lighting, striking or cutting the sky, you know, beautiful picture to make a putter or something, you know. And then when he did that,
he got the lights in the park. But it's not very impressive. But then from the pyramid, from the roof of the pyramids, you can see a tunnel of light going to the sky. Wow. Amazing, I mean, Alexandro, amazing. If I tell you, I cannot make justice of my description to the incredible evidence that this is. This is one of the best things I have ever seen. Then we know the names of the people who took it. We have the pictures and they were taken with the
iPhone and that way, we have the GPS. We know exactly where it was taking in the exact position on the air where this was taken, in the direction was taken. We have witnesses. We found what witness that was there, who is a very famous ankle in the Mexican television and besides that, very scatty. He's like a film class, you know, he's as avonker. He makes fun of anyone. Well, and what does he think about the picture? He said, I was there when this was taken.
I found him because this family told me there was a famous man from television, and I looked through the descriptions and I took Google and we found the picture and it is the man. Yes, he's the man. Always Rene Frank okay, I was going to call Renephranco and coincidentally he told me to bind it to his show to make fun of me again or you know.
And then I said, Okay, Renee, were you the Were you in Cichensa July twenty four yes, uh, he said, before I asked, and I saw a picture that I took there and then I said, and then you saw it, and then you know what I'm talking about. So people saw this light coming from less. I saw it. I was there, and he declared that in the television. So and he accepted plenty Yes, man, for the first time we agree in something. I saw a picture and I know the picture is real. I don't know what the picture
means. I don't know what is this. I don't think it's extraterrestrials. I don't think that whatever. Well, he said that the picture is real. Wait until you see that picture now that it's going to be the cover your second issue. Probably, Hey, it sounds good. I can't wait to see it. Now do you think there's a mind connection? You're talking about all these signs, and that's a lot of singing behind that picture, because it means that these minds have technology from the past. Friend, I
mean from in the past. Promise not to restals. There is no other way I can explain. This. Probably is a natural phenomenon, but for me has to be something else. I mean, we can't debate on this. You can say, no, this is because of the lighting in the bark. Then the energy comes under the ground and it's released through the pyramid. I don't know it's a pulse because it didn't last one hundreds of a second. It didn't last. Okay, it's like this and that's it.
But there are watching you see something like a like a flash, and that's it. That's incredible. I can't wait to see it. And it seems like there are a lot of sightings in Mexico, much more than in the United States. And you're getting videos, you're getting you're getting pictures. Why do you think that is? Probably the picture in the pyramid explains that probably there is a relation from the past. Probably we were together with this.
Probably they came to see their friend and so there's the songs of their friends and from the past. I don't know, because probably because we were astronomers, probably because we have so many magnetic mountains, who knows, probably because we don't attack them. Of all these reasons together, the thing is that we have incredible sightings. And I'm gonna present tomorrow here if the people can
come, because I know they're listening to us in Phoenix. I tell you, Santiago, Tulia and myself will be giving this presentation one o'clock tomorrow. He had the aquariums hotel, and if you want to know, you shouldn't miss this presentation because the full two hours that we were given are gonna be
used to present evidence, one after the other. Santiago even brought us the last images from the last mission, the STS one thory that just finished what Sunday, Saturday Sunday, a couple of days ago, five days ago, five days ago. But we have the images UFOs around it. I mean, it's amazing. Was from the last NASA mission. Yeah, you're showing this tomorrow too, Yes, so you're right, there's plenty of time to get here, especially from Phoenix. You know you could leave after work.
Yeah, four hours no, No, it's four hours. You could leave early in the morning. Yeah, well, I think they should. Whatever they can't, they should because this is not presented by the American media. It's what a concern m hm. So the Congress. You've been going to the Congress for quite some time and the Congress is about the only American venue you use. Yeah, and it's like the only American venue where you come doing an English presentation. Why do you think the Congress is so important?
This Congress is the most important for me from all the United States, is the most serious. They make a good effort to bring very objective people, the investigators. For me, the most credible events I've been in many don't confuse, don't get confused. I know many other events, but this is my favorite from all on that I put time. I received invitations all the time to other events, but I never go because I don't feel comfortable.
And you're definitely going to join us next year in Phoenix the huh if you invite me? Yeah, yeah, definitely got to have him for the first the twentieth anniversary. They're probably Santiago to all right, perfect, we have to have him as well. Yeah, I've interviewed him before on YouTube and it was awesome, and we're going to interview him later today for our live show. So really excited about that and really excited to talk to you.
What else, what is the other big amazing thing that you can present at your time? Says so much more. We have this video from May twenty seconds two thousand and nine, when you can see an object releasing hundreds of spears on both sides. Oh, that's amazing video. I've seen some too, Yeah, and there are two of the same kind. I mean, I mean two different witnesses recorded at the same event at the same time, right, And this is amazing because you will see hundreds of his spears being
released by a small object. How can that be? Nobody has been able to explain that. But this is an amazing and real video because you have two videos recorded at the same time, and that's very very seldom. Well, it looks like we're at a time, So join us next week the new bass for Move On Clipper clipp and we'll be talking to him about hit the direction he wants to go with that and hopefully I know there's been some some bridges that need to be rebuilt with move on and I am experience of
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