All right, hello everybody, it's good to be here. Opes I'm supposed to go Hello and welcome to Open minds UFO Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and this is the new show. So just to share, well, you know what, let me bring on my special guests, so I'll explain how this is work going forward. But I'll do that with my good friend President, so he can put in some color commentary and that here is the famous spiego Hello. Well hello there, and you know you
mentioned color commentary. I realize that I've been in the sun a little bit and the color my face makes me look like I'm living on the sun normally. Uh, that's money, your lovely, lovely complexion. Oh well, thank you. Well, it's good you're getting out. Yeah, I know, amidst the pandemic that's surrounding us, doing my best to get there under the actual sun and praying to the gods and the goddesses to help us all.
So hopefully I'll bear with me, Lee, But I've got a little bit of business to talk, so to let the audience know and you can be informed too. So now that I'm back with the Open Mind UFO Radio, here's how it works. This is the live Friday livestream newscast. So essentially what I'll be doing here is every Friday, I'll be talking about the UFO news of the week, and I'll have a special guest with me. In this case, it is Lee Spiegel. If you heard my first little
mini podcast kind of announcing that I'll be coming back, I did. We were talking about Martin being here, but that didn't work out, so we've got But of course we'll have various people, and Martin will be backcher However, it will work a little differently in that my interviews, this won't really be an interview with Lee. Of course, Lee is going to share his vast knowledge in the topics that we're talking about and his educated opinion on all
of this, and that's why we have him here. And I think he'll probably make us laugh a couple times along the way, which is the point is to kind of have a light, fun discussion about the UFO news of the week. But my interviews, in my in depth analysis, which is something new that I'm sharing, is you know, the lectures that I've done before, and I'm putting together new presentations kind of deep diving into various topics,
and those are called the Rojas Reports. I'm gonna mostly do those on Wednesday, and those are a subscription service, So on Podbean you could pay the buck fifty and get access to those, or you can go to Patreon and there's a couple levels. If you just want the audio, you can pay a dollar fifty there and get all the audio. For everything I do, I'll upload the audio there and I'll do it, you know, on
Podbean as well. And if you are a patron at the higher level, the five dollars level, then you can join all of my live streams live. So for instance, I did a behind the Pentagon live stream earlier this week where I detailed to the stars and a tip and the whole history and
how that came about really important to understand for people who don't. But I posted that earlier this week, and if you were a Patreon patron at that level, you could have joined us live and ask questions and things like people did. Later today, I'm going to interview Brian Bender, and I'll talk a little bit more about that. He's a writer for Politico, used to
be the Defense and Space editor. Now he's a course senior correspondent, but he broke a very important story that we'll be talking about here in a minute, and so you'll be able to join us live and ask questions from Brian Bender or any of my guests. So all of that, like we used to do the fun parts with the interviews and everything that will be the Rojas Reports. Please do subscribe. I hope you're not disappointed, and that that
information is now behind a paywall. However, one of the big reasons I had to leave is just this is very expensive. It's really draining on resources, finance, actually, time wise, everything else, and I really want to keep this going. I think you all have been so kind and you've really stressed how important it is that we have these discussions about the credible information when it comes to UFOs, and I think it's really important because look where
we are. The Senate is asking for UFO reports. We're in a new world where the credible information is much more important. Those of us who have been following the credible information have been above ahead of the curve when it comes to all this stuff the mainstream is talking about. So let's stay ahead of the curve. Let's look for the credible information. That's going to be compelling
to the mainstream and to the lawmakers out there and continue our conversations. And what's great about these live streams is it makes it more of a community because now we have these people who are alive talking to us. So thank you to Connie, to Renee Tomorrow, to Tim, all of you who are joining live armand and and thanking us for being back. Thank you all for being here. So that's how it will work. And Lee, how are
you doing today? I'm great. I'm not sure if you can hear it yet, but there seems to be a storm approaching my area here on Long Island. Yeah, the rain is starting at the little little rumble of thunder. Unless it's it's from some other worldly source and there they're just coming down. They need to be close by where I live so they can they can tune into the podcast. I think they want to know what you and I are going to be talking about. Yeah, this will be fun and just
a reminder for people. Yes it is Lee from kg ra A. Somebody asked, that's what this is about. This is not so much a conspiracy show. We do address them in that, you know, talking about any pertinent conspiracies that pop up. And certainly it's not to say that there aren't necessarily conspiracies, but it is more about that credible information and also approaching these
conspiracies in that manner. And and you know, that's what's great and why Lee and I have an affinity is that we kind of come from the journalism world. And you've got to be able to and I would love your perspective on this, Lee. You have to be able to and this is something I think a lot of UFO people, if I can use the term struggle
with. You've got to be able to understand the perspective of the mainstream not just mainstream science when you're writing about that for journalism, but mainstream media. You know are colleagues. So for instancely you were working in a newsroom at Huffington Post, you know, full of other writers, journalists and skeptical by
nature, rightfully so, and you were covering this topic. So I mean you would have it in your face every day, that high bar that you have to meet to really get some something convincing out there to your colleagues in the public. Yeah, working in that newsroom in the middle of New York City, the Huffington Post. I you know, I kept I kept pinching myself at my luck. And it was a combination of luck and the fact that my friend Buck Wolf, who was the editor of at the time it
was called the Weird News section of Huffington Post. He and I had both come from working at ABC News. He left ABC, went over the Tough Post, and shortly after he landed at hof Posts. He he called and he said, how happy are you over there at ABC? Because I need someone like you at helf Post. Are you interested? And I said, well, I don't know what you what have you got? Make me an offer? And I went over to see him at Health Post. It gave me the lay of the land, and he said, look, I'm doing
weird news here. I've got a small staff, but I need someone who has a background in UFOs and unexplained phenomena, which I had from eight years on NBC Radio in New York. And he said, if you're interested, it'll be the kind of situation here where you won't have to run past any story ideas unless you really feel like it's necessary before you put something together.
And I'll be your editor. And I said, well, I can't ask for a better situation than that, and so I spent seven years at huff Posts as the only feature writer there dealing with not just the UFOs but the whole range of the paranormal, and as often as I could, I wrote stories that went across the boundaries of the overlapping worlds of science and the paranormal, because I I wanted to do something to give science a chance to kind of lend its voice there too, and so I was always always looking,
still always looking for scientists, people at universities, people at NASA, people within the government, to get somebody to give their opinions on different topics that I wanted to talk about. Even if we disagreed on those subjects, it was important for me to give the impression that I wasn't biased in any way whatsoever about the topics. I wanted to stay neutral because as a journalist,
I have to. I think you feel the same way. We need to be presenting some kind of credibility in a field where there's not a lot of it. The media out there doesn't know how to handle a lot of the topics that you and I deal with, and so we have to kind of act as a litmus paper to have people filter their information through US. I try to stay away as possible from all the really whack jobs that are out there, and there are some there. I'm not naming names because I don't
have to. You all know who you are. But I remember back in the days when before NBC first hired me in nineteen seventy eight, and they said, we understand you're putting something together at the United Nations about UFOs, and we've heard about that. We'd be interested in having you come on NBC Radio and do nightly daily UFO reports. Are you interested in that? And I said, well, well, sure, absolutely. What are the parameters? And they said, not really. We think you know your stuff.
You know what you're talking about. You have had enough experience about it, even back then in nineteen seventy eight. All that we ask of you is that you don't say anything on the air that could bring a lawsuit to us here at ABC. And I thought, okay, and they said, be careful of the language you use because we're not you know, we're not a cable radio network because there weren't any back then. I don't think in nineteen
seventy eight. This was years and decades before something called serious XM, where you could go on the air and do and say anything you want. So I was very mindful of that and it worked, and it's still working for me on KGRA Digital broadcast. And I'm having a great time interviewing people that I wish I had known back then. But this is good because you always you and I were always looking for good new interviews of people who have something
interesting to say. It's all about getting good news out to the public. Public doesn't really know way to get accurate information from. When I'm a presentation anywhere Alano, at the very beginning, I always say to the audience, thank you for coming today. It's nice to have a good audience here. I will ask two things you do today. Please. Number one, don't believe anything I'm about to tell you, and they know how to react to
that. And I say, tom, I because if you're looking for information about UFOs or ghosts, or sea serpents or esp the whole range of the paranormal, don't just rely on what I have to tell you, because I will present people who will help you form a good opinion of these things. And so that that's my first question for you. Second question is what wasn't a question, It was a piece of advice. I would say to people, please don't only rely on ancient aliens on TV to get all of your
information. I'm not knocking this. I'm just saying it's a very popular show, but there are many other places where you could also get information. I always urge people do your own homework, do some legwork, make some calls. You may not be a journalist or a reporter, but if you want to find out more information, I will always provide links of places that you
can go to, people you can read. I'll always turn you on to someone like Alejandro Rojas, then the Rojas Report, people that I think are credible and will offer you the kind of stuff that you're looking for, so that the next day, when you're back working in your offices and you're standing around the water cooler and you want to talk about things that you've heard about, you'll have something to talk about and you'll be able to say things that
you've heard that come from credibility. And that's pretty much all that I'm at right now, right And I mean, you like me, are also open to criticism. I mean I like people looking at my stuff and saying hey, what about this or what about that? Because I want to know if I miss something I want to learn, and it may mean a follow up article or or correction. But I also want to make sure that I did a good job and you know, got everything, and I think you're the
same way. I try and do my best, especially when I'm doing my radio show. I will always come as prepared as I can to offer the information that I want to get across, Like even right now today, I've put some notes together. I don't mind saying that, because I want to make sure that that I like dotting my eyes and crossing my t's really carefully, especially with the information that I put out. And if I make a mistake, if I say something inaccurate, I want someone to point it out
and I'll apologize and I'll make a correction. It happened a few times with Huffington Posts where I had to go back and do a correction at the bottom of the story where I had found something or someone had read it and pointed it out to me, Hey, you made a mistake. You said this, or you gave this as the date and it is the wrong date. And I will always make a correction, and I don't mind using notes because frankly, if I have to rely totally on what's in my head sometimes that
frightens me. So yeah, that works. And before we move away from this topic, it's important, especially going into the news that we're going to be talking about here, because it pertains you know, It's one of the reason I guess I have a lot of media or journalism people on like I'm interviewing Byron Bender later today, because you know, we kind of come from
a similar world and that like these topics we're talking about. And you know, it's my intention, and I know people don't believe this of all media, but it is true of much more media than you may realize. It's my intention when I get a hot tip on something, to thoroughly examine it and research it. And my duty is to the truth and sharing credible, valid information to the public. That's my duty, beyond whether or not what my friends say, what other people say, that's kind of a thing.
Now, well so and so said this, and so and so said that. Well, I respect those people, but it doesn't mean they're always right. I'm not always right. Nobody's always right, So we have to follow the data. So sometimes we get these hot tips and we end up having to debunk the story, and it's not that we wanted to, but that's where the data leads. And at least I think with us who are more
friendly to it. And there is a difference if you're a mainstream journalist and you want substantiated information and if you get a hot tip and you follow that thread and it leads to something interesting, you want to print that. However, that's not typically what happens. Typically what happens is, unfortunately you find they were missing miss information, or people misunderstood something, or something broke down along the lines and the story was not handed to you correct So you got
to correct write the correct story. But at least you and I will be respectful of that. Where a lot of mainstream media, if they debunk it, then they're going to make fun of it as well. Sometimes I will sometimes I used to do this more often when I was at hof Post. I would criticize and I would get on a grandstand or bandstand and I would criticize a lot of international media that they just don't you can tell. First
of all, there's a lot of sloppy writing out there. Uh, they don't care whether or not they're getting that even their grammar correct that not even doing correct correctly formatted sentences. And and they don't seem to care a lot about the facts. And they'll make things up or they'll I mean basically they'll just make certain things up. And it's like you and I, we have
this problem with a lot of stories. I hate I hate stories when when they always they'll come up with any reason to use the word aliens in a headline, right, or extraterrestrial must have been aliens scene over over Montana. You know, citizens are stunned by extraterrestrial visits. Well, you can't say things like that, it's and I'm not saying it wasn't aliens, it wasn't
extraterrestrials. But boy, what do you think the chances are that that, uh, an extraterrestrial is just gonna hang out above a baseball game, for example, Uh, and and cause problems. You did something years ago, if I recall involving a baseball game and a vehicle that was seen by people in the stands, do you remember that, Yeah, and that was a UFO hoax, Yeah, but it was perpetrated somewhat innocently by a marketing department
for marketing. I forget what they were even marketing at this time. Market It was in Canada. It was for a new planetarium. Oh that's right.
And they had built they had someone actually build what looked like a flying saucer circular with lights around it, and and they even test they did test flights of it, and on the day in the question of the night in question, they sent this thing off and and they sent it over to a nearby baseball stadium, I believe, and during the game they had this thing rise up from behind center field or somewhere, so everybody in the stadium saw
this thing and and it created a big ruckus. Now, mind you, it didn't have words around the bottom of it saying Hi, I'm representing the new planetarium. Come see. No, it was nothing like that. But still, and I believe, and I believe I gave you credit. You were the media guy who set this straight and who really did the work on it with your integrity, and I always always applauded you for that well. And we played into their hands somewhat because their idea was to try to get
articles out there. So when I hunted that down and wrote about it. Then you wrote about it, so it take them a bunch of publicity, which is exactly what they wanted. Yeah, and in a way I feel a bit conflict because they were hoaxing, but at the same time it was somewhat clever and their planetarium or looked really cool. Yeah, and I was
happy to write the story. They even provided us with pictures of what the thing looked like when it was being built, and they did like a comparison of it kind of on the ground, and then a comparison of that of when it was over the stadium, so you can actually see that. Yeah,
somebody on Earth made this, but for a good reason. But at least they didn't try to perpetrate it as a hoax the way some people have through history, through the UFO history, where they've actually been hoasters on a variety of stories claiming that they were visited, in some cases taken for rides on hips. And again, I don't want people out there to think, oh, Spiegel's just now he's putting down the experience or the contactee the abduction
UFO stories. No, I'm not doing that. All I'm saying is that We've got to be careful how we report these things so that everybody comes off looking really good and credible. And there's no place in what I do, no place for ridicule. I will never ridicule anyone in any stories and any shows that I do, because what's the point. Nobody benefits from that at all. And people's wives have been ruined because of the ridicule factor, and that that simply has to go away forever. Mm hmm. All right,
so, and one last question. Actually, this is kind of turning into an interview, but I want to get your perspective on this because it's a brand new world. I mean, I'm going to be interviewing. I keep bringing him up, Brian Bender, because I think it's just such an important figure in this because he writes for Politico. I mean, it's a very credible publication that typically covers what's going on in Washington, d C. And UH and because of that, they have to be very careful about credibility and
the whole ridicule factor. So it's pretty I think notable that this senior correspondent for them has tackled the UFO topic, and over the last few years he's had quite a few of the big scoops regarding Washington and their interest in UFOs. And then there's others like Tyler Rogaway, you know who writes for the Roar Zone that is also breaking great news. Of course, George Napp is
a mainstream journalist who's always been writing about this and continues to. But you also have you know, Fox News jumping into the mix with lots of interviews with the TTSA people. So we're in this new world where now you know, you're not one of the few kind of mainstream journalists out there trying to get the word out. There's a whole there's there's more of them. How
do you feel about that? I'm happy about that. I don't want to stand out as the only one out there reporting on this stuff in incredible way. No, I welcome everybody who wants to do that. That's that's the whole right. And I always look at Political, the Political magazine for stories here because those are the stories that I can rely on so that I can quote from them. And I did this just on my own radio show last
night. I will always give credit where credit is due. And you talk about Political and Brian Bender this story, if I can start jumping into this right now. No, let's not jump into that yet. Let's hold that for a second. But I want to just touch on one more topic because we had a question out here in the chat regarding all this Bim Jim who
says journalists could have their articles proofread by a scientist. I have done proofreading for lawyers, and I do want to address that because that's an issue. In fact, I was in a meeting with a bunch of Nobel laureate scientists and this is just a conference room where we discussed a lot of this. In fact, you can go look on I think it was three AM that sponsored it, and if you find the video, you can see me defending
journalists with these scientists, because it is kind of difficult. First of all, Lee and I have both had it where editors give us headlines we don't like, we don't really feel represent our stories. But second of all, with it scientists, it's very hard because they're really in the weeds with the
information. As a journalist writing on a science topic, typically I've got to take this extremely complicated issue try to figure out how to explain it to the general population in a thousand words or sometimes less, and that's really difficult. So there are times where I have had a scientist look over an article and if I trust that they can kind of understand what I'm trying to do here.
But the problem is with scientists, you're never going to get it right because they're essentially wanting to get details in there, and you're kind of like, well, I get what you're doing, but nobody's going to get what you're saying. That's just too complicated. So it can be hard to balance that, and scientists get really frustrated with the whole working with journalists. When I was writing for seven years that huff Post, I didn't always read material
that would come from scientists or scientific journals or universities. I would read papers that have been written or other media sources that written about for stories, and I would rewrite it so that I felt that it would be palatable for my readership. I didn't always feel like I had to send a finished story to a scientist who is involved in the story just to get their impressions a because you never know when a scientist or anyone is going to have the time to
read yourself and to give you their comments or their critique. Or their corrections. They're very busy scientists or their university teachers. They don't have the time to start reading a lot of things that other people have written about them. Basically, they're hoping that any stories written about them will be accurate, and
so it's my responsibility. It was my responsibility to do it as accurately as possible and to make it as understandable to the readers as possible, because scientists will use phrases and terms and names and things that I wouldn't understand, and I would always have to go to my rely on my dictionary or my thesaurus to figure out what the hell they were saying to use words, and they
often don't care about the article. A lot of people you interview are really excited because you're excited that they're going to get their name out there printed in an article. Scientists often could care less. If not, they're like, Okay, quit wasting my time. I've got important work to do. Let's over with. So it is a struggle and what I like about what I'm
doing now, I'm not sure how you feel about this. The idea of doing a one on one interview with someone and they've already agreed to the interview, and you kind of them know ahead of time the kind of points and things you want to talk to them about, so they're already feeling comfortable before the interview begins. And the interview starts and you get into the questions and it's like, well, they have to answer those questions in some form because
they're doing it live or pre recorded. And if, as the interviewer, if I don't think that they're answering my question, I'm always aware and I'm always having a dialogue with myself while I'm having a dialogue with them and basically saying, is this person answering my question? If not, I have to gently bring them back and ask them instead of saying, hey, but you're
not answering my question, what's up? Right? You know, you want to be very careful about basically, I don't want to piss anyone off when I'm talking to because I want to keep, you know, as friendly as possible. And that's part of the job of being a journalist is you want to get the information from them that you want to get. And sometimes I'm sure you've had this as well. Sometimes you'll ask a question and they don't
want to answer it. I mean, and they'll even say to you or you can feel it, well, I'm a little resistant about that, or I can't really answer that, and you've got to figure out a way of getting around it. So they will somehow give you an answer, because you know, you've got an audience out there that also wants the answer, and they will be satisfied until you give them something that will make them hungry for more. It's an interesting occupation we have, and I haven't decided yet do
I prefer writing about it or talking about it on radio. I'm still I'm still working on that. Yeah, all right, well let's get into the news just one more kind of behind the scenes. It's kind of cool. It's just sharing me in the face right now. And I have not shared
this with the audience yet, which is that this was really cool. I met Sean k Hill about a year ago at Comic Con because I invited them to our Dent of Geek party and Lee Spiegel was there, and some of you may remember we posted an interview with Sean ky Hill and Loue Alesondo from that party about a year ago that you could see on YouTube. But Sean ky Hill gave me this. So lou Alesondo his office is less than a
mile away to the Stars to office. In fact, yesterday I was riding my bike out, you know, because that's where I ride my bike either, you know, it's one of my bike rides. And so I took a selfie that I put on Instagram of me in front of the to the Star store because it's been all locked down. But and then I talked to you and facetimeon you got to join me on my ride there. But this was really neat Sean ky Hill gave me this. So Loue ale Asondo in
his office has a bunch of these coins. They're called like challenge coin. So what's the other word you remember? But in the military you get these four awards and stuff. Oh yeah, I don't remember. And it's really gorgeous. I love the flags. Yeah, this is amazing and this is one of the most important things to me. So they're a real honor when you get them. And Lou Alesando has a row of them on his desk over here at to the Stars. I've got one, so I've got it
right here on my desk. But this, if you can see, it's from the Princeton so shown Hill when he saw the UFOs from the Princeton at the famous Nimitz event, he had two of these in his he had one in each pocket, and this is one of them. And he felt, he just said, he felt that, you know, because of the great work I do that I was I needed to have this and I'm just so
extremely flattered. And I keep it right here on my desk and it reminds me to keep on keeping on. You don't walkeet you're out there riding your bike. I don't want to lose it. So I keep it right here on the desk to look at me when I do this. So that's a little insight. So thank you so much, John, I mean, I was, I got emotional. We gave that to me, and it was at that Comic Con thing, and it was it was it was surprising. It was the first time we ever met face to face, so it was
really cool. Cool. But anyway, let's move to the news. So the big news, and I don't know that there's really another story out there, to be honest, but this is a big story, and is that the Senate Intelligence Committee in their bill for the essentially the intelligence spending bill, they have included a request for UFO or uIP information and they want to report.
But this report, and this is headed by Marco Rubio, this report is not just asking for, you know, a report from the Navy, and I'm gonna get into some of the background here real quick, but it's asking for an exhaustive search for all of the summaries from essentially all of the different agencies that are looking into UAP. This is really interesting because they actually name the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force under the ONI, the Office of Naval
Intelligence. That's really interesting because this appears to be and we don't have this completely official, but people like Chris Mellen, who works for the Stars and also worked for the Senate Intelligence Committee during the Bush era, where it was his job to essentially get black project and SAP information for the Senate Intelligence Committee when they requested it, and also you know, provide reports on all of those black projects. Chris has said yes, this essentially is the same group.
I think Lou Alesando said that too, and they're actually going to have a podcast soon where all of them are talking about this, and that ought to be very interesting. But Lou a TIP originally was under the DIA Defense Intelligence Agency. Then when Lou took it over kind of and it turned into the UFO thing, all of this which I reviewed on my Rojas report from Wednesday. But when Lou took it over, Lou Alesando worked for the OSD, the Office of the Secretary of Defense, so he moved it over there.
Now we get this thing coming out that's saying the Office of Naval Intelligence the ONI is oversight for this project. So apparently, at least from what I've heard from people in the know such as Tim McMillan has been talking to some of the people involved, that O and I has essentially kind of taken over, even though it's still kind of housed in the OSD, and it's
a multi agency thing. So Roger Gassel, a UFO researcher who's been doing lots of foyas and has also been in communication with the press people at the Department of Defense, he got them to admit that, you know, these UAP investigations do still continue, and they it is a multi agency kind of cooperative thing. And essentially they're admitting another thing that they denied that loue Alezondo has been telling us since December of twenty seventeen, which is that that program
that he ran continues to this day. So it's yet another thing that the DoD hasn't denied that Louel Alesando has been saying that has been confirmed. So it's gotten so much momentum. You know, Brian Bender broke the story that a year ago the Senate these Congress people were briefed on the UAP situation, and now we see that they're still taking it very seriously and they want this
EXAUS report. I do want to mention too that Danny Silva here was one of the first people to get that information out there, along with another gentleman. And I'm going to go look up his name in a sex so we can get that name out there. So we'll talk about brand with Brian later today on what his sources were and how he came across the story. But of course Brian behind the scenes is talking to these people in Washington every day.
So pretty shocking revelation, Holly, Yeah, and several interesting points about it. This entire report that Senator Marco Rubio of Florida that has filed to get the information they're looking to get detailed a detailed analysis of all data collected on UAP. Well, the ultimate goal, they say, is to make
it accessible to the public. And there's there's the rub Really, so, I somehow can't imagine that every thing that they discover in their analysis is going to be very quickly made public, because could the public really handle or understand
all the information that they're going to collect. And as Political magazine, as Brian wrote, and I'll let me just quote directly from it, it said, the committee remains concerned that there is no unified, comprehensive process within the federal government for collecting and analyzing intelligence on unidentified aerial phenomena, despite the potential threat end quote. So there's the thing for me is so they are clearly
considering these UAPs or UFOs as a potential threat. Now, for all those people who insist that the UFO UAP experience can be blamed on the technology of other countries like Russia and China, it may not be that cut and dry, but at the very least, it now appears that after many years of the government and military being very close mouthed about UFOs, now suddenly, as you say, this topic is now it's on an official Senate agenda in reading
about this and as a result of the US Senate's concern all these close encounters with UAPs they've occurred in recent years with America's military forces. And that call for the review of the UAPs is part of a report called the Intelligence Authorization Act, and it's for the fiscal year of twenty twenty one. And as we both said before, Senator Rubio has already submitted that report. And I'm wondering what you think. Do you think, Alejandro, that that anything will
actually come of this UAP review? What kind of threat to our national security would they likely find? What do you think? Well, I think that the term threat, and I think it's a really important one, doesn't necessarily mean that they've come to the conclusion that these were under attack or there's a certain particular danger. And I think this is important because a lot of people get on this point. They keep saying this is a threat, they're a
danger, they're bad. Why are they saying that? They don't even know that, Well, they don't know that. However, anything that is unidentified by is a threat. We don't know intentions, we don't know what it is. It could be a weapon. When it's your job to secure the safety of not just the citizens, but your own a military personnel, then that's a really big deal. I think an example of this would be Kevin
Day. Kevin Day, who is the radar operator, says he was very emotionally affected by what happened, and that's because, like he says, it was my job to watch those radar screens and make sure there were no incursions by any unknowns and if they were to identify them, to scramble to go take care of this issue. Typically in his career that meant drug runners, you know, people veering off course, drones, things like that, but in this situation, they didn't know what it was. His last go too.
He retired soon after that, so he was very emotionally affected because there was something flying around out there, his job to protect the airspace and he didn't know what it was and had to retire and still does not know what it was. Benny Hansen put it, I think he put it has a really great explanation for this. Our good mutual friend who is on the Travel Channel quite a bit these days doing paranormal shows, but he put, like
this, here's why they would consider it a threat. If you woke up in the morning and you went to the kitchen and you saw footsteps, and you know someone had come and walked in your house and left. They're gone. There're no current threat at that point, but you're not going to feel very comfortable about that. Even if whoever walked into your house was friendly and the nicest person in the world and they came in to help themselves to you
know, an apple or something and left. Even if there were no male intent by that person who entered your house, you're still going to be feel very threatened and you're going to want to secure your home so that doesn't happen again, because you don't know the intentions of this person coming into your house and it may threaten you and your family. It's like that. Not only that, it also justifies budgets. This is the defense department. This isn't
the happy shake hands interplanetary diplomacy department. And we don't even know if there's aliens involved, So I think that that factor is really important in calling it a threat. So if it's an unidentified if there are true incursions from technology that we don't know the origin, what origans are, then that it fits a threat. And if that's what these guys have determined. That's what the Senate Intelligence Committee wants to know the other part of this. Will something come
of it? I think so, And here's why, like you said, and I was going to look for the papers and maybe I will look for this quote there's a direct quote. Oh oh, by the way, Steve McDaniel was the other person who shared this information right off the bat, really early on. But here is some of the information. And the important part that I want to find here is what you talked about where they said they want this to be in the public right And essentially, the committee understands that
the relevant intelligence may be sensitive, never lootheless. The committee finds that the information sharing and coordination across the intelligence community has been inconsistent, like you're saying, but that was just a point. They want a public republic report, although they say some of the information could be sensitive, so they get it that. You know, if we were to ask you for a report, we would want you to Normally the report might have to be classified because the
information is classified, but we want a public report. So even if a lot of this does contain classified information, they want a sort of summary. They want them to make a concerted effort to have public statements about this, So they want this information in the public. Likely it is because if they are to take it seriously, they have to substantiate the credibility of that. So they've got to have a public report that shows Heysen guys in the Senate
Committee aren't UFO goofballs. There's a real legitimate reason why we want to look into this. So that's really important, and it also indicates, I think a lot of momentum because this isn't the first one to go ask for this sort of information. John McCain did. There was another representative in the House and I forget his name. It was Warner or Walker. Somebody told me I had those names and mixed up, and I think it was Warner.
Another story that Brian Bender broke and I'll have to update. But regardless, there are other politicians that have been asking for this information. So I think even if this fails, even for some reason gets removed from the bill, that there's enough momentum that people like Marco Rubio and other people in Congress. I'm hearing this from the two the Staris guys and from Brian Bender that there's enough people that want to know that, I think that they're going to get
that information one way or another. This is one attempt to get it, but they'll try others if this doesn't work. And you know, I'm a great believer in looking at things historically and not forgetting certain things that have been that have already taken place, that have been said, that have been written about. And every time, you know, every time I hear the phrase
national security, certain little bells go off in my head. We have I heard that phrase before related to UFOs, And the first one that comes to mind is, gee, do we all remember back in nineteen sixty nine. That was the year that the u United States Air Forces Project Blue Book ended
after decades of investigating more than twelve thousand UFO sightings and reports. Sixty nine is when it ended, and it issued as part of its deletion of Project Blue Book from the public, it issued a statement, and part of that statement read quote no UFO report. See I want to get this right. See, just like I said before, quote no UFO reported investigated and evaluated by the Air Force was ever an indication of threat to our national security?
End quote. Now you see they keep saying that they keep harping upon that, but now we know that that was just not true. In fact, on my program last night, I had returned, I had Air Force Captain Robert Sallas, and I read that quote to him on the air and I said, so, Captain, was that a true statement that the Air Force wrote in sixty nine? I said, no, it was all a lie. And we now know for sure that national security does come into play here.
Anything that involves any objects that are in the skies above our country, any country anywhere, that are flying around with impunity and can go anywhere they want, whenever they want, that's considered something to do with national security, especially if we don't know what their purposes, what their intention is. And
I'm not talking about just encounters with the Air Force or Navy pilots. What about all the encounters between commercial airline pilots who've had weird things happen to them while they were flying from one local to another, and that they saw things from the cockpit, and on many occasions passengers also saw similar things. And
yet we know now pilots aren't supposed to talk about this. There's a there's an organization called NARCAP that was created by doctor Richard Haynes, former NASA scientists, specifically for pilots who want to report strange occurrences that happened to them, but they're not allowed to talk about it from the commercial airline companies, so
they can report anonymously through NARCAP. In doctor Haynes's side and through his help, I've been able to perhaps you have too, been able to interviewed some pilots who said, yeah, these things are out there. When they approach you, you don't know what to do. You don't have a lot of time to make snap decisions, especially if you've got passengers and you're like responsible for their lives their safety, and the airlines would rather we not talk about
it. I mean, imagine a anjo. What airline company is going to make any kind of an announcement and say, well, folks, yes, we understand that some of our pilots have been reporting certain things. It doesn't seem to be any aggressive behavior toward them by these unknown objects, so we think that it's still okay to fly. The friendly skies will keep you informed
about yeah, but they never keep anybody informed. They just won't talk about it because hey, the business probably not well, and I think that's the key there. I think you've got a great point. In the Chicago hair incident, for example, in what two thousand and eight, it was happened people, very very credible siding with lots of witnesses. Happened over a United Airlines gate and what was air United Airlines. They were the first to cover
it up. They were shutting it down. They were not completely honest in their initial responses to it. This is well documented by a Chicago Tribune writer and he did a great job. I mean he was not a UFO writer, he was just a travel writer and he was like, Holy, Holy moly, this is a very legit thing. So yeah, they tried to squash it, probably for that same reason that you were talking about. Getting
back to Project blue Book. You had a great point about how they said this doesn't pose a threat, because they were trying to say this isn't anything. But at the same time, when they said they're a closing Project blue Book, there was a memo that came out from I think it was even a general and he said that's okay. The important cases are reported up the ladder separately anyway, So any of those cases that perhaps did pose a threat
were not reported through Project Blue Book. Also, we know that they've been lying to us all along, all of us. You know, this Pentagon UFO project has existed since two thousand and seven. Yet all of our foyer requests or requests to any branch of the military has told us, No, we haven't cared about UFOs since nineteen sixty nine. Even when we have releases of official documents showing a UFO investigation, we're like, hey, there's this
document I got via FOYA. What do you guys have to say about this. No, we haven't been investigating UFOs. That's not my question. Obviously, you've been investigating UFOs. I've got to document here. My question is what was the result? Who investigated it? What did you think? No, we haven't been you know, we've been lying to this whole time, and that could be what is kind of inspiring this response by the Senate Intelligence
Committee right now. Luelsondo said he came out because he was trying to get this information up the ladder. He knew General Maddis the Secretary of Defense. He worked for him, but his people would not let lou bring any UFO stuff to him. They wouldn't let him bring it up. Chris Mellan says he helped them to get that information up the ladder and they failed. So they decided to go elsewhere, kind of do an end run and go to the media, and Alexander resigned. They got their story out in the New
York Times, and now it's resulted in this. And so Chris Mellon has said there is an attitude in the Senate Intelligence Committee that hey, why didn't you guys ever tell us about this. You're supposed to brief us on everything you guys are doing. Why did you not brief us on this? Now we want answers, which vindicates Aleixando because they said, you know, that's what Alexando's goal was, said he believed they wanted this information, and he
was right. And so they could be looking back at the history and saying, look, the Air Force has been lying to us all along. They've been saying there's nothing too Now all of a sudden, we're finding out through the New York Times that wasn't true at all, that they have been very concerned or they have been looking into do this, And now the Senate's like, now we want answers. And they may even address that. Why have
you been lying to the public for so long? It's about time? And can I bring up another little item that was in the news that's arcalated? Oh yeah, definitely. Okay. Last week President Trump nam okay. President
Trump point was interviewed by his son, Donald Trump Junior. It was a Father's Day themed chat, and near the end of it, Donald Junior asked his dad if he might ever disclose information about the nineteen forty seven reported UFO crash near Roswell in New Mexico. Donald Junior said, quote before you leave office, would you let us know if there's aliens? Would you ever open
up Roswell and let us know what's real going on out there? End quote, to which the President responded, quote so many people ask me that question. It sounds like a cute question, but actually there are millions and millions of people that want to go there, that want to see it. I won't talk to you about what I know about it, but it's very interesting. Roswell's a very interesting place with a lot of people that would like to know what's going on. Okay. End quote. Then, when Dawn Junior
asked if his father is saying that he may declassify it. President Trump simply said, quote, I'll have to think about that one, right, And as he said that I was watching, he looked off camer to his right, as if to get some kind of confirmation from someone who was sitting there. And that's how the interview ended, as it was reported by NBC News.
Now, I'm not going to sit here and offer any kind of speculation as to what the President meant when he said that Roswell is a very interesting place, or that he wouldn't tell his son what he knows about Roswell other than it's very interesting. And when Don Junior pressed his father about declassifying the Roswell information before he leaves office, whenever that will be, when the President said that he'll have to think about it, what kind of a tease was
that? And who is it directed to only to his son or to anyone watching the interview who's interested in the subject of UFOs aliens Roswell. The other thing that I want to say about this is that while I watched the exchange between father and son, it made me think of the story that I wrote for the huff Post back in twenty sixteen when presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton dropped by the Jimmy Kimmel Live TV show and they discussed, among other things, UFOs.
Will asked, if she became president, would she release UFO files. Missus Clinton said, quote, yes, I'm going to do it. I would like us to go into those files and hopefully make as much of that public as possible. If there is something there, unless it's a threat to national security, I think we ought to share it with the public. End quote. And there's the catch, because in the last couple of years, obviously all of us the public has been hearing about and seeing videos showing close
encounters that the Navy jet fighter pilots have had with unexplained flying objects. Part of the documentation that's come out about these events includes officials declaring that some of the UAP encounters could very well indicate a threat to our national security. So, in the end, Missus Clinton would probably not have released sensitive UFO files if she had won the election, and now President Trump will most likely not
do that either because of the national security implications. For one final thing about that that I realized in both cases Missus Clinton and President Trump, both of them were very aware of the millions of citizens out there who want to know more about UFOs. Even President Trump said, millions and millions of people want
to know they want to know about UFOs. But you know, if you easily substitute the word citizens in that sentence for the words registered voters, then we'd get millions and millions of registered voters would want to know more about UFOs and who might be more apt well, who who might be more apt to vote for someone come election day? To these registered voters who are interested in
there's a catch. Yeah. I think that this is a really important aspect to all of this, is the politicizing of it and the politics of it. The Senate and the senators are political animals more than anything else. In the the TTSA talks Chris Mellon, which is an amazing interview. I really think people should listen to that Tom DeLong interviewing Chris Mellon. You know, he talked about this and about how, you know, the majority, vast
majority of the work that senators are doing are on their campaigns. They've got to work on getting re elected and that unfortunately, that takes up most of their time rather than actually being able to run the country. And even at some of these briefings, you know, they're not able to pay much attention or do much about what's going on. So I think that's an important aspect. But I agree with you one hundred percent. My take on what the
President said there is that he's playing from the John Podesta the playbook. And I know I plug this, but I think it's fair because I'm very proud of it. But that Jimmy Kimmel interview that you just mentioned, when John Podesta's emails were leaked via wiki leaks, there was an email from one of her head of staff who said, why does Jimmy Kimmel want to talk about UFOs in this upcoming interview? And somebody said, because Bill and John have
a history of being interested in UFOs. And one of the stories they linked it was my story about John and Podessa's John Podessa and Bill Clinton's history in UFOs. No time to go into that right now. Maybe I'll do another Rojas report just about that. But my point is John Podesta was very interested in UFOs, and so is Bill Clinton. But I don't think like you, that that was their driving intent. When Hillary Clinton was doing those things,
John Podesta was pushing Hillary Clinton to talk about UFOs. But this is during a campaign. These guys are savvy people. Everything they're doing is a calculation on how is this going to get my candidate into the White House.
I think what you're saying is exactly right. They were trying to appease the UFO lobby, who I believe they thought was a conspiratorial group who were probably leaning towards Trump, and they thought maybe this is a way to get into some of those people to say, hey, you guys are in TUFOS. So is Hillary. You know, she's got a whole history of UFO investigation, so you guys have to you guys should vote for her. I really see this Trump thing as a play on the same thing. Hint some UFO
stuff so we can get these UFO guys on board with our campaign. It's a total exact same thing. In fact, here's a great question somebody asked, and I think it's a very fair question, because what about the politics of this announcement, What's going to happen there? I think it's a great point. There's a guy on the internet, Adam Keho, who is people should watch. He's writing medium articles. He's great and he did an analysis and he said, watch out, guys, because here's what's going to happen,
because this is what happens in politics. And he's exactly right that there's going to be some delineations here. Whatever happens with this UFO thing, there's going to be finger pointing this was your fault, and there's also going to be people trying to take credit look what I did, like a Marco Rubio saying look what I did, or maybe even the President saying, look,
during my administration, we asked for UFO questions. So this person asks g Harlequin, funny how the Senate hearing is being initiated during the next election campaign. Do you think it's an attempt by Donald Trump to gain the UFO vote. I don't think so. We're going to ask Brian Bender about this. I'll leave that up because that's the topic. I'm going to ask Brian Bender
about this when I interview him in about an hour. But I think Marco Ruby, from what I understand from what I've heard in the background, has a real genuine interest. I think that the Senate Intelligence Committee got this briefing and they really are like, why didn't we know about this. We need to know about this. I know there's got to be some political thought to it, because there always is number one thought, how is this going to
affect my electability? And that could be why Marco Rubio is really pushing for the public end to this so he can justify why he's doing this so he doesn't take a hit when it comes to his voters. But you're right, top of mind is going to be the who are the registered voters that are into UFOs and who are the ones who will not vote for me? Because I'm asking about UFOs, I know, and on it goes right, yeah,
on a kind of a related topic. They're all related. A few weeks ago, I spoke with former Air Force Colonel Charles Holt on my radio show, and he's very vocal in his criticisms of how the military handles UFO
cases. Specifically, he suggests that the government and perhaps other nations as well, are part of a UFO cover up that involves a secret agency that's really overseeing all UFO related things that he says, it's an agency that receives classified information from the so called three letter organizations like CIA, FBI, DoD NSA, etc. And that they don't know what the other agencies are gathering and
passing on to this alleged super secret place. In fact, Captain Sallis on my show last night, refers to this as a cabal, not just an agency. It's a cabal. And this whole thing, it's like it's is it a science fiction movie? No, this is reality, because really, who's pulling the strings? Not just in our government. We can't forget this
is an international issue. And so if we assume that all the leaders of all the nations know that there are strange objects operating in their skies, not just in America, then everyone must be concerned to some degree on some level. And so is it the United Nations that they're doing this under Perhaps not. Colonel Hall thinks, no, it's above national boundaries. It's another organization that's gathering this. And again I'm still wondering, and I still ask the
same question of this cabal. Who's in charge, who's the lead either of this so called cabal? And nobody has an answer to that. But boy, it's a chilling thought. I think I think so too. I just don't believe in a cabal. I don't think it's a realistic idea. I think that all of these people are too disconnected. If there were a cabal, you by trying to control something like this, with all of these disparate different organizations scattered across the world, you would be exposing yourself and if you
wanted to remain secret, you couldn't do that. So I don't really buy that. I do believe that there could be disinformation. There's got to be disinformation campaigns going on. I think that's a real blind spot for the UFO community that we haven't been really good at researching that. I feel that when
I have done research, I have been stonewalled. For instance, in my research of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations Agent who in the eighties released fake documents that have really established a lot of the UFO mythology out there. I definitely I got some information, but was lied to when I was gathering that information. So there is a disinformation going on. But what disinformation? And it would make sense that it would be I think a tool that would
be used by some people. So I think that's another area that we're going to need to get into, especially if we have more access, and I think that would be a great question, and it could be something on the mind of the Senate committee. Why have you been lying to the public about
this topic and what have these lives been. Have there been disinformation campaigns against US citizens, which is not something they're supposed to do regarding this topic, even if it's innocent, even if it's well innocent in the way that we don't believe there's UFOs, but we wanted people to believe the UFOs. I mean, in this document that revealed Area fifty one, you know, it's
a history of Area fifty one. There are U two engineers who have said in there that they were happy with people believing that U two s were UFOs because the project was secret and they didn't want people to know. They encouraged that. You know, Nick Pope admitted to you that they had employed what he called spinning dirty tricks in the UK to throw the media off the trail. So this sort of thing has been going on. But to what degree,
I think is really important to know. So I don't think there's a central cabal, but I do think there are a lot of various departments. There's Chili who's doing great work. They have gone so far, and I don't think any other country has done this to get a lot of officials together to determine. We don't think these things are malevolent in any way. They think that they're observing. But I think there are gon we shouldn't underestimate the
dysfunction. And I forget what John Alexander calls it, but something around incompetence that can happen not just in our government but every government. And there could be governments that are hiding their head in the sand they just don't want to deal with the topic, whereas there are others who are probably being very proactive about the topic. So it probably goes across the gamut there. It's all
great stuff. It's up to date. It seems like when you and I get together like this, we never have a lack for to what just happened this week or last week or in the last couple of Weeks's always something and it would be nice, really finally, if it does lead down some trail where the public is a beneficiary of all of this, all this investigation and information. I've always been interested in a proponent of disclosure. I'm not convinced
that ultimate UFO disclosure will happen in my lifetime. I think it would be great. I don't know if the public really can handle all of it, if it's all thrown out at us at once, maybe it really has to come out little by little so people get acclimated to the idea that we're being visited by someone something. I don't care who it is, where they come from, how they get here, I don't care. I'm satisfied after all these years of studying it, I'm satisfied that Earth is being visited by something,
and I think it's a wonderful thing. They don't seem to be here to eat us. I don't think that that's the problem. I don't think that they're here to take us over, as in an HG. Wells War of the World's scenario. But I do that there is something going on, and I'll continue to report on it as I'm sure you will, because it's the kind of thing that we can't get away. We just can't walk away from this, and we want people to know the truth, whatever piece of
that truth there is. Yeah, I'm commenting here. I think another point because a lot of people are jumping in on the disinfo thing, and I think it's important because we don't really thoroughly investigate this possibility and what might be
disinformation. And someone just made a point here too, is that I won't name names kind of but essentially that perhaps someone involves with to the Stars is a disinformation is I don't know that I would go that far because I know these guys and it's I don't know, it's possible, anything's possible, but I think it would be very likely that they would be targets of disinformation.
I personally, for instance, especially lately, feel that some of the information and or beliefs, and I've got to say beliefs because none of these are things that are unproven that have been shared by some of those guys is very dubious. I respect all of them so much, but like I said before, anybody could get things wrong, So why are they talking about these really dubious things? And it could be that they themselves are victims of disinformation.
I think that would be very likely. I think in my investigation or in my report that I did earlier this week, I demonstrated how this group of people with a tip and with two of the stars there, it's not just you know, it was kind of framed as this one guy, Lou Alizondo, coming out with all this information, and he's probably a liar or a disinformation is No. Lou was working with Bigelow and all of this group of
people who we have been working with and writing about for decades decades. This is a group of people who have been working on researching the paranormal and trying to do official projects with the government to research or to develop these sort of paranormal programs, with some success at times. But they've been doing this for decades. So if there were disinformation campaigns along the way, they would be the perfect targets. They would be the people you would go after. And
it's entirely possible that they've fallen for some of these disinformation tricks. I think that's something that we have to keep in mind. I think that we get targeted. I get really weird information, and I think a lot of you followists do where they say I've got a secret source who says he's an admiral, or I've got a secret source who says he's a captain in the Navy, and I can't tell you who he is, but here's what he's telling me, and then they share all this wild information. You know, we've
heard this in the UFO community for years. I think they really are talking to people. I get these emails and messages. I ignore them personally, and I get you feel the same way you get. Question. If you're not willing to go on the record, then quit wasting my time because I'm not going to go down this rabbit hole. But I think that's the way you have to treat it, Otherwise you can easily get sidetracked. I agree,
I agree people, that's what disinformation is all about. It's spreading misinformation. And unless you're an expert on such matters, it's hard to tell who's saying what and what could they possibly how could they benefit from the spread of information? And it brings me back to the original question or the question I always ask again, who's in control, who's pulling the strings about all of this all around the world. I keep reminding myself that it's not just an
American phenomenon that we're talking about. The phenomenon is everywhere. That was my little slight plug for an upcoming movie called The Phenomenon. Yeah, so we've got to wrap up, and that's a good segue into doing that to talk about you and what you're working on and where people can get information. You just mentioned a super exciting project you have been working on, and that's this documentary with James Fox. I know you might not be able to share much,
but I guess that it's upcoming. It is upcoming. The film is done. James has been working on it for a little over six years now. I spent the last three years working on it as one of the producers and writers of the film. It's going to be we're going to be focusing on We're not saying that we think that what's happening about UFOs is extraterrestrial. There are hints of that, not necessary from us, but from the people who we've interviewed, and you and I have made several references to some of
those people's Christopher Mellen is in the movie. Senator Harry Reid is in the movie. George Knapp. We've got an amazing clip from President Clinton from a speech he once made that was very serious, where you talked about the possibility that sitting presidents aren't always told everything, especially about UFOs. That was really
interesting to hear him say that. We've got that in the film. The attitude that we're taking is one of the reasons why the governments of the world haven't really been totally transparent about UFOs is simply because they don't know the answer. They don't know the full truth. They may know certain aspects of things that are going on, but the whole truth may still be kind of hard to focus on. So with that, we've got a variety of high level
people mentioned John Podesto, he's in the film. We've got people talking about it, and what we're hoping is that even de bunkers of UFOs in general will come away from this movie going having at least one I didn't know that kind of moment when they see this. We've been very careful about who we've
interviewed and what's in the film. Now, originally we were going to we were going to have the premiere of it in early September in Los Angeles, but this thing called the coronavirus hit and now nobody's showing any movies anywhere unless you can fit only fifty people into a theater, and so it's still on hold, and we're just we're in limbo right now, waiting for the right moment to release this, and we want to release it. We're going crazy.
We want people to see this thing, and so it will happen for any of your listeners or any audience who are interested in seeing the official trailer of the film. If you haven't seen the trailer, just go to this site. It's called the Phenomenon, which is the name of the movie, The phenomenonfilm dot com. Let me repeat that, the phenomenonfilm dot com. It'll take you to a nice page. It give you some background information about
the film. There'll be a lot of behind the scenes photos of what it was like putting the film together, and there'll be the full trailer there for you to look at. It's like all trailers, it's meant to be a tease, but it's pretty good teas because we're not just going to present something that we can't fully back up when the whole movie comes out. I promise you that does that look right on the screen. There they Phenomenon Phenomena film dot com. Yeah, that's it. Okay, So there you go.
And then, of course, yeah, I know I miss popcorn. That's the only time I popcorn is at the movies because I can't resist it and it's not part of my diet, So don't you at any part. Years years and years ago, the the movie critics Ciskel and eBird Geene. Siskel used to always say that whenever he'd go into a movie or a screening room to look at a new movie, he always brought a briefcase and he was allowed to bring it in because he was a critic, so he was there
to see movies. But then he would go there and he would sit down and he would open up his briefcase and he'd pull out his homemade popcorn. How funny. I didn't know that. I met him too several times, but nice guy. And then otherwise you are also doing your podcast on k g R a g ra It's on Thursday nights between eight pm and ten pm Eastern Time, wherever you happen to be, and if you if you happen to miss it the live broadcast, then the next day on the archives.
The the actual podcast version of it is available for free. And so it's out there, and like you always trying to come up with the really really interesting guests to put out there. It's fun to do, it's fun to work on, and I learn a lot. This is for me. I feel like I'm going back to school with every person that I interview, and I like that. I'm just glad to take a test like I used to
have to take in school. But yeah, this is just great to do and I enjoy it, and I'm sure you do too, and I love coming on your shows that I'm looking forward to the next time we can do our year end UFO report. But we won't be doing that till what December maybe, Yeah, so it'll probably come quickly half a year away. But yeah, it's going to be an interesting one. I have a feeling that there's going to be a lot of really great breaking news that will be coming
on a weekly basis. I make a prediction when we do our next year end report, many of the things that you and I will choose to talk about we just talked about in this podcast. Yeah, I think you're probably right and hopefully some results. Although one thing we didn't mention as far as the results is that the report isn't doing until March twenty twenty one, so even if this does pass, it's going to be quite some time till we see that report. Well, we'll give us more news next year, right,
well, at least in our year end Report of twenty twenty. It will have been because it already is one of the big UFO stories so far this year. Yeah, exactly, for sure. Well, thank you so much for being here, Lee, thank you, thank you Alejandro, my friend. As I say to everyone at the end of my show, please stay safe, stay healthy, and please keep your distance. It's a great comment. Usually I just say at the end of my show, like I'll do now to wrap this up, Adios, smooth chatos.