Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome
to Open Minds Radio. We have a brilliant show today. Have you noticed I'm musing. I used to use the word it's great and amazing all the time. Somebody pointed out, would you use some different words? So I've got a whole list of wonderful and astonishing, magnificent words to use to describe are incredible shows that we have every week. And this week we've got an
interesting topic and alternative to the extraterrestrial hypotheses. Doctor Joseph Ferrell is gaining a lot of popularity out there talking about some of the technology that the Nazis may have had that may have been developed into anti gravitic crafts that are flying around right now that perhaps the Americans picked up on Project paper Clip when they got all the German scientists, and essentially he's saying that possibly Kecksburg and Roswell were
crashes of Nazi craft as opposed to extraterrestrial crafts. So we're going to be talking a lot about that. To tell you more about doctor Ferrell, his doctor is in patristics, which doesn't have much to do with the UFO Arena. He got that at the University of Oxford, but since then he has pursued research into physics, all alternative history and science and other strange stuff. He has several books, a few books called The Giza Death Star, which
he started in two thousand and two. These are alternative history and science, essentially talking about technologies that the ancients may have had. Of course, we all know Giza and some of the cool stuff there, and we all still wonder how the heck they build those pyramids. But of course he's also printed several books on the Nazi secret weapons, and we'll be focusing on that end.
I know there's a lot of history there. There's some people in the chat already talking about some of that, so we'll be talking about these alternative theories. So this ought to be really interesting and I know it's going to be educational for me. I have some information, well quite a bit that I've looked into this stuff, but I still want to know more and I know this is a guy to talk to to find out more about this.
Coming up for Open Mind Radio is a new time and location. We're going to be on at seven pm starting three weeks from now on the thirtieth. Our guest will be Major Filer, So this is going to be a great one. George Biler, who does fileer files. He had some amazing UFO experiences that got him involved with this stuff. Really cool, fun guy,
so we'll be talking to him on our first extended show. It's going to be commercial less for the most part except our own commercials, and it'll be longer an hour and a half, kind of like those who have been listening to the show for quite some time, like the old UFO I think Tank show used to be. So a lot of you guys have been asking for hey, we need longer shows, get it out with the commercials. But I mean, hey, you got to make some money in order to do
this stuff. But we listened, and we're going back to this format for you people. Other than that, of course I've mentioned, and we'll probably have a commercial on coming up, and that is the UFO Congress, which is going to be here in Arizona this year at the beautiful Fort McDowell's resort. You can find out more at Ufocongress dot com or Openminds dot tv.
You can also while you're there at open Minds dot tv see the UFO headlines, because there's UFO stories in conventional media all of the time, and as usual, we have our news correspondent, Jason McClelland to tell us about some of those stories. Jason, Hello, my friend, greeting Zalaandro, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday,
August ninth, twenty ten. In his new book entitled UFOs and Water, Arthur, author Carl W. Fine discusses the effects of UFOs on water. As the title indicates, based on first hand accounts, the book explores the impact UFOs have on bodies of water, the boats on the water, and the creatures living in the water. I'm fascinated by this topic, Alejandro, and it's interesting to see that there's more research being done into UFOs and
water or usos as they're sometimes called unidentified submersible objects. We had Debbie Ziegelmyron move On Dive Team co founder, and she was talking about how a large percentage of UFO sightings have to do with water. And I know Carl is very popular. He did some UFO files shows that were really popular and people are always asking what about those usos, dude. But the History Channel did a couple documentaries and he was a part of those. Yeah, they were
great. So and I've talked to him recently and we're going to have him on the show now that he's got his book done. He wanted to focus on that in August, he said, early September. He's there, dude, So we'll have him just a few weeks. That's excellent. That's really exciting. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, me too. Cool, nice guy, funny guy. Get ready for more UFO sidings. That's according to Professor Wang Sichow, a researcher of the Purple Mountain Observatory of the Chinese
Academy of Sciences. Thirty nine years of UFO research have led Professor Sichow to believe that more major UFO sightings occur in years ending in the numbers one, two, and seven. That would make twenty eleven in twenty twelve the years to keep your eyes to the skies if Professor Sitchow is correct. He also suggests that the best months to observe UFOs are July and August and after ten pm. So, Alejandro, I guess that means that next year, in
July and August we need to do the radio show outside. Yeah, a year from now it is on. And of course, being out here in Arizona, we're gonna have to figure out some way to keep us cool while we're out there, other than alcohol, because of course, you know, you don't want people to say, oh, you're drinking beers, and you know that's why you sell UFOs. There are funny people here in Arizona who have outdoor air conditioners. Really, yes, well, after borrow one we
could have a nice setup. Yeah, but it's after ten pm. We'd had to change the time of the show and I don't think guests would like that. Oh, that's true. Another batch of UFO files was released last week from the UK National Archives, and what seems to be getting the most
attention is a letter that alleges a cover up by Winston Churchill. This letter was from a physicist and grandson of one of Churchill's bodyguards, and was inquiring about an incident from World War Two where a UFO allegedly shadowed a plane returning from a mission. The pilots even managed to take pictures of the object.
The letter writer's grandfather, a Royal Air Force officer, supposedly overheard Churchill speaking about the incident with Dwight Eisenhower, who at the time was the US commander of the Allied Forces. So concerned over mass panic, Churchhill ordered the incident to remain secret for fifty years. Pretty cool, Yeah, I mean it's I heard from my mom who heard this, and so it's kind of second hand, but uh, and third hand and fourth hand. It's pretty far
down the line. But actually, you know, on the site of the UK files, they promote a guy's book, doctor David something rather I forget there his name, but he's a very conservative usually he's kind of a spokesperson. He actually said of this account, it rings true, and he thinks it's probably true. And this isn't the only thing that's been mentioned about Churchill and these files that have been released there were Yeah, this is an older
story, but it's essentially that's this is the funny part. They told this guy essentially, well, all of the records prior to sixty seven were burned because the people didn't have any interest in him. And he said, anyway, Churchill has already disclosed what he felt about both UFOs, and essentially they're referring to this document where Churchill asked about UFOs, he was given a document that totally debunked UFOs and said there's nothing to worry about, mister Churchill,
sir. And that's document they're referring to. And that's the one that also came out and set of files about a year ago made a lot of news. There's always interesting stuff in these files that though a lot of interesting stuff. We got more at the website about that. Theoretical physicists Stephen Hawking has more advice for humans move to space. He predicts that if we can't find another planet to inhabit, then humans will become extinct because of natural resource depletion
and because of the aggressive nature of humans. Hawking feels that our only chance for long term survival is to spread out into space. Back in April, Hawking also advised against humans trying to contact extraterrestrial life because he feels extraterrestrials will
likely rate our planet. If you think Stephen Hawking is onto something here and you'd like to move to space, you might want to get started packing because with current technology it will take you fifty thousand years to reach the nearest star. Wow, that's a long time, so you wouldn't get very far. You would get like just down the street and then it's over. Well, we'll see with Virgin Galactic and these other private companies developing new propulsion systems,
that's the key right there. Well, I hope whatever they come up with is not as dreary and ugly as Battlestar Galactica. This show, I mean, it was a good show, but who would want to live on this ugly looking freight. It's like a dump truck in space, pretty ugly and dreary. Hopefully they come up with some pretty and shiny all of though, the like the old Battle Star wasn't bad. Okay, well you should voise
your opinion and not Yeah, I'm gonna write big low. Multiple UFO sidings were reported recently in the UK. Several Colchester residents reported seeing objects in the sky, but the sightings appeared to be of different objects. One witness described something that looked like a huge balloon moving across the sky. Another witness described something twice as big as the sun and on all edges, and another resident
was sitting outside and saw a round disc in the sky. There's always a lot of UFO activity in the UK, it seems, oh the UK. I think you know, when I was posting the news today, I think every single story was from the UK. I mean, they've got maybe it's just that they're more apt to post it, but so many sightings that they're reporting out there, and it's a much smaller place than the United States.
Well, and if this is how many sightings they're getting now, just imagine next year in July and Augustly, Molly, the next couple of years is going to be crazy in the UK twenty eleven, twenty twelve. That's what Professor Wang Fitchow says. Yep, if Wang is right, that's right, we'll see exciting time. Sightings are crazy. And you know, as Nick Pope has said before, the former Ministry of Defense UK guys taking all of
these reports the reports are just off the charts right now. Yeah, that's what's funny about the UK, just not too long ago saying they're closing their department to investigate or to even take UFO reports, essentially saying, if you want to report a UFO, sit and talk to somebody else, not us, because it's they said there wasn't much interest, there wasn't much showing any national security problems. Yet it's in the midst of the busiest reporting that's ever
happened before. And like you mentioned, in those files, there's a case of a pilot the's a commercial plane having a near miss with a giant triangular craft. That's not a security issue, right. The illustration of that is really cool, by the way. Yeah, Yeah, that newsite is a good job. That's it for the news. Remember to check out these stories and more it open minds dot tv your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Mind's news correspondent, Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed. Thank
you. Open Minds News correspondent Jason McClellan. Speaking of which, like I said, we have a lot more of those UFO case files from the UK on our website and what's going on. There a bunch of cool stories this week, so check them out. We'll be back after this break with doctor Joseph Ferrell nazi UFO. Stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back to Open Minds
Radio. I did want to mention also some exciting news. I know some of you who subscribe to the magazine have been saying, where's my magazine because usually the August issue is out just prior to August, but we're doing it the August issue actually in August, so it should be hitting the newsstands hopefully this week, if not next week, and you should have got it in
the mail if you're a subscriber. If not, you'll get any second now and you'll notice it because it's got this incredible image of an extraterrestrial on the cover. Something our creative department dead. Eric McFarlane, an incredible artist that works for us, did a great job with that, so you'll see that. It's an exciting issue too, because it's about alien abductions and some very credible some of the science and hard work that's been done by some of the
best researchers out there. On that, speaking of one of the best researchers, I hear a lot about the Nazi UFOs and doctor Barrell's work, so I'm excited to have you on the show. Sir. Hello there, Hi Alejandro, Thanks for having me on. Yep, thanks for being on. This is a pretty hot subject these days, and there's a lot and it'll be interesting to talk to you about, you know, a lot of possible mythology about what went on with the Nazis and the occultist groups and all of
that, but essentially just getting right to the heart of it. If I'm not correct, you feel that Kexsburgh and Roswell were probably crashes of Nazi technology. Well, let me put it very bluntly and briefly. In the case of Roswell, yes, I do, excuse me. I have a book out called Roswell and the Right that is a fairly extensive review of all the research on the Roswell case and then my own examination of the Nazi technology and
connection with it. As for Kecksburg, the case there is slightly different, Alejandro, because what we're dealing with are a set of data points between the Kexsburg crash, what crashed at Kexsburg and a Nazi technology called the dell, and let me briefly run over what the data points are. In the case of the bell, we're dealing with an object that is bell shaped that has dimensions of about nine to twelve feet wide about fifteen to eighteen feet tall.
In the Kexburg case, we're dealing with a similarly shaped object with similar dimensions. In the case of the bell, we're dealing with a device that had to be tested when it was tested underground in a room lined with ceramic bricks
that was covered with rubber mats. In the case of the Kexsburg Acorn, we're dealing with a device that allegedly was taken to write Patterson Airbase, where a fellow by the name of Myron that worked for a local construction company, was to take an order of ceramic bricks to this particular hangar where this device had been stored. So we're dealing with In the latter case with Kecksburg, we're dealing with a number of data points that to my mind stack up to
a coincidental resemblance. And I put coincidental in quotation marks with a resemblance between the two objects that suggest very strongly to my mind that what we had there is a crash of some sort of Nazi based technology. Yes, gotcha, And let's focus on the bell at first for a minute. Sure this was a device. Do you believe that this was something that was definitely a working model was built? Well, yes, definitely, And let me clarify what
I believe this was. This was a prototype or a gateway technology that was to have led the Nazis to three different things, the first being an access to the energy of the vacuum, and the second would be to a field propulsion technology or as we would also call it, an anti gravity technology. And then the third thing they of course, you know Nazis being Nazis, the third thing that they were looking for is a technology that would lead them
to a kind of a doomsday weapon. So those are the three things. Now, it's important for me to stress one aspect here, and that is that this device, according to the various testimonies that we have from an SS general that was connected with it, the device gave off such deadly deadly field effects that it was not, by the end of World War II, a
practical field propulsion technology. In other words, they had made certain breakthroughs, to be sure, but we can't say that this is a breakthrough to the extent that this was something that you know, people could climb into and fly down. Are you there, Yeah, I'm here. Oh okay, sorry, I was done. Okay, So okay. That that's an interesting point then, that they built a prototype, but not something that could be manned
and something that was extremely dangerous as technology. Well, again, I want to stress another point about this technology that's related or associated with the Bell. I am not saying, on the other hand, that the Nazis did not have some rather advance saucer type technology. However, in that case, what we're dealing with, if you look at the record very carefully, what we're dealing with is saucer shaped aradygnes that were more or less advanced jet turbines.
That's basically all they were. So we're dealing with the Bell with something far, far beyond anything like that. But they did have these other technologies, certainly by the end of the war. So and the people that worked on the Bell, is it possible or do you have knowledge that those people, those scientists then did come to work in the United States under paper clip.
Well, that's another very very interesting and important question. Toward the end of the war, the SS murdered the scientists that were involved with this project. The others went to different places, and the argument of Igorvitkovski and Nick Cook
is basically that the project came to this country. I absolutely and strongly disagree because in my books, particularly in a book called the Nazi International, I outlined the case that the Bell Project itself and one of its leading scientists actually went to Argentina, where the Nazis continued to work on this project after the
war. And that's a very significant thing, and I hope your listeners appreciate the significance of it, because what that means is you're dealing after the war with an organized, so to speak, extra territorial Nazi state that is actually continuing to conduct its secret research independently of any of the Allied powers that won World War Two. And it also implies that they have a degree of organization
and sophistication and financial backing to carry out that research. And I realized that's kind of a whoppera of the statement to make, but that's basically the case that I outlined in the Nazi International. It's certainly worthy of some follow up questions there. So where would the Nazis have gone to or do you know where they might have gone to continue their work? Oh, I can tell
you exactly where that project was continued. It was continued in an area in Rio Negro Province of Argentina, which is centered around a town called San Carlos de Baroloch, which is approximately nine hundred miles I guess you'd say south southwest of Buenos Aires, so it's in a very remote region of Argentina. It's
close to the Andes Mountains and the border of Chile. The project itself that I'm thinking about was conducted on Waimo Island, which is just across the lake there near San Carlos de Baroloce. You can still see the ruins of the laboratories where this project was conducted, so yes, you know, you can pinpoint rather exactly where it went. The project was shut down by Juan Peron
in nineteen fifty one under some rather peculiar circumstances. But I believe that the nutshell at the bottom line is that the Nazis simply moved the project elsewhere and we really don't know where they moved it to, probably somewhere in Latin America, but it's anybody's guess where. Yeah, that's interesting because you know Argentina has a history of sightings. Oh yes, We've written something about that, and I've had on a couple of people, even recently, Ruben Uriarte and
one of our writers, Antonio hunez On talking about that. And that would make sense because we know a lot of Nazis went to Argentina. Oh yes, definitely, And it's important to stress here again that it's not just your
run of the mill Nazis. There were some very top mass scientists that went to Argentina and continued these projects, one of them being in fact, Ryan hart Horton, who worked for Juan Perona and built some rather sophisticated and advanced jets for the Argentine Air Force. So yeah, it's a very very big story. It's almost completely unknown in this country. Yeah, that's really interesting. In fact, I know, you know, Antonio talked a lot about
it in Argentina and Chile. A lot of German blood that's down there, so I mean, oh, yes, changed you know how people look down there, Yes, yes, absolutely, particularly in the southern regions of those two countries. Absolutely so great. So we're going to talk more about this. This is all super extremely interesting and got some people in the chat who have some interesting questions as well, So that's all coming up right after this
break. You're listening to Open Minds Radio and we're talking about Nazi technology. So stay tuned. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome back. We're talking about not to UFOs on Open Minds Radio, a really interesting topic. I started thinking about my next question and before I had finished talking about what I was
saying, but I wanted to ask you then. I guess if we moved into nineteen sixty five when Kechsburg happened, I mean, I guess that could possibly then be evident that the projects you mentioned in Argentina did continue somewhere. Yes, I think so. And it's very interesting that you asked that question because one of the most interesting things to me, Alejandro, is when the
Kexburgh acorn is tracked. If you plot the track, it comes from Canada kind of on a northwest to southeast track, it comes down over the Michigan Peninsula and then down into Ohio, where I believe certain witnesses see this thing stop and then it changes course and crashes eventually, of course, outside of Ketxsburg, Pennsylvania. And it's always been interesting to me because there's been persistent
rumors. I haven't been able to verify them, but there have been persistent rumors in some of the literature that the Germans had some sort of base somewhere in the wilds of the Canadian Arctics. So you know, it's another little weird connection. Well, speaking of rumored basis, one of the chat people had mentioned that they say it's well known on Long Island that there's some sort of Nazi scientist based on Plumb Island, New York, Well that I'm not
familiar with. There have always been rumors that there was some sort of Nazi connection to the mom Talk project, but you know, the mythology surrounding the mon Talk project has become so weedy and overgrown it's kind of hard to separate
fact from fiction. But as for Clem Island, you know, I don't know anything about that, to be honest with you, Well, I guess I was going to ask about Roswell, but we can put down on hold of sect because another question I wanted to ask about was some of the kind of hazy mythology around this subject that people in different secret societies had actually channeled
the Nazi technology from Aldebaran and some of these mythologies. That has been a persistent mythology, and I mentioned that, in fact, I discussed it at some lengths in my book called the ss Brotherhood of the Bell Excuse me, And one of the problems I have with this, Alejandro, is that number one, you do not need extraterrestrials or channeled in for to rationalize the physics
or the technology that the Nazis were working on with this device. In fact, I lay out in Secrets of the Unified Field, I lay out what I believe to have been the physics papers, and incidentally, the engineering basis behind what they're thinking was you simply don't need channeled information. The other problem that I have with that story is that the story began to be circulated after the war and within a very narrow circle of Neo Nazis that were gathered in
and around Vienna and Munich in Germany. So you know, I have to question the source because that particular circle of people were on the one hand, letting out information, but on the other hand, trying to misdirect people's attention away I think from the actual basis of this technology. Yeah, I mean
there's a lot of debate that. You know, some of these sources of information were supposed to come from a real society, and yes, and like you and I tried to look into it, it's debated whether they existed at all. Well, actually, the real society did exist. There was a pamphlet. I have a copy of it. As a matter of fact. There was a pamphlet published by that society in Berlin in nineteen thirty five. And the other testimony to its existence actually comes from the German rocket sciences Billy
Live that came over to this country prior to the war. So you know, you've got the pamphlet, You've got one of these German rocket scientists said it existed. But there the evidence trail ends. There is no solid evidence that I have found yet that can corroborate this story that someone in that society channeled information from Aldebaran. I have not been able to corroborate that beyond the source that actually published it. Okay, got you. Thanks thanks for clearing
that up. Then getting on to Rosswell, you talked about the Nazi disc technology was jet turbine powered. So is that what you believe crashed in Roswell. I believe it is something very similar to that. And the reason why is one of the documents that the Roswell researchers themselves have relied on through the years is the so called Shulgun Collection Intelligence Collection Memo that General Shulgen of the Air Force Intelligence promulgated. I think it was in September of nineteen forty seven.
And if you read the context, if you read the internal evidence of the document very very closely and carefully, you'll discover that the context for it is precisely the Roswell crash. Now, the document exists in two versions. Most of the Roswell researchers cited in an unauthentic faked version where the actual the actual text of the document has been altered to suggest extraterrestrial origin for the craft. In its original form, there is no mention of any of that.
There is mention of things like a roaring sound like exhaust coming from some of these craft and so on and so forth. And the final clincher for me is the clear statement within this document that the ultimate origin of this technology is precisely Nazi Germany. So the Air Force knew, in my opinion, exactly what they were dealing with. And you think, then this is possibly one of those underground Nazi problem. Yeah, I do. And the reason why,
that's another excellent question. The reason why is the only way that I personally can rationalize the kind of panic that you see the military going into as a result of Roswell isn't because that they have recovered something extraterrestrial. They've recovered
something Nazi. Now, you know, put yourself in the political position of the US military two years after the end of World War Two and the so called defeat of the Nazi Party, it's something Nazi crashes in Roswell, then you really do have something that's going to send them into kind of a tail spin. They're going to cover this up because, for one thing, it's
politically very very hot. You know, you don't want to admit that these people are out there somewhere, that they're continuing this research and flying around our skies with impunity. That's just not a story you want to get out there. So then what about some of the the testimony to buys being actually recovered out there in rust? Well, this is another problem with the whole Roswell story. And I get into this whole you know, Roswell and the Reich
of the book that just came out this year. It's a five hundred and twenty five page book. It's a very thorough kind of historical review of the actual research that's been done on the case. Where's the best place for people to go purchase that? The best place would be either Adventures Unlimited Press, the publisher that publishes if they do have a toll free number, it's it's one eight hundred four four or five EGS or something like that, four one
five seven four one eight. If they'll have to look at it. I can't, I can't remember right off hand. The other place they can get it, of course, will be online at Amazon or Borders or Barnes and Noble places like that. But in any case, getting back to the bodies, my problem with with the body story is twofold number one. It's not originally a part of the Roswell story. It takes approximately thirty years for that
aspect of the story to come forward. And the second part of the problem for me has always been that, with the exception of two witnesses who are now impeached by the Roswell extraterrestrial proponents, that those two witnesses alone described physiological features that would compel to the conclusion that the bodies that were recovered were not human. So what we're left with without these two impeached witnesses, what we're left with is the body of witnesses who if you look at the details of
what they're describing, they're describing small bodies. In many cases they'll say they look like ten to twelve year old children with large heads and so on and so forth. But if you look at the descriptions of these bodies, there's nothing in them physiologically to compel to the conclusion that they're actually extraterrestrial. And in fact, I think Nick Redfern made a very good case that what they were describing may have been something very similar to pegeria syndrome. So I'm not
convinced, even on the bodies, that we're dealing with something extraterrestrial. Okay, and then Jesse marcell I guess and his statements. Do you think that the technology in these I mean disc was so foreign that they wouldn't be able to recognize it? No, On the contrary, I think that if again, you look at the documents very carefully that are associated with the Roswell case, whether or not you agree with the Magic twelve documents as being authentic or
perhaps a bit of contrived disinformation. And if you look at the authentic documents, the Twining Memo to General Shulgen, if you look at General Shulgen's Intelligence Collection Memo, which are certainly both authentic documents, it is very clear when you read these documents that the Air Force is very very very carefully trying to dance around the Nazi technology issue. But it's very clear that they know where this stuff comes from. Someone in the chat asked, then why are they
still trying to keep the Nazi secret? Because, for one thing, it's politically explosive to this day to admit that there was an extra territorial Nazi state capable of carrying on research after the war. That's politically explosive in and of itself because the implication is that they might be continuing to this day to do, so you see that's the problem. The second problem is I think a
technological one. I think when you get right down to it, most of this technology that we did get our hands on is clear indicator enough that the Air Force would have wanted to develop it and maintain secrecy around it. So I think that's one reason. The other reason is is part of the technology that the Krem de la Krem of the Nazi technology, which is represented by the Bell, we did not get our hands on, and that is another reason for keeping all of this secret because Okay, I want to follow up
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Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former officials, folksperson for the mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, thanks for coming back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio and we're talking about Nazi technology. Very interesting show, and I've got to apologize to one of my coworkers, Michael Stratt, who had some questions and I forgot
his list of questions. Sorry Michael. But if you're listening, which I'm sure he is, call in six oh two two seven seven five three six nine six oh two two seven seven five three six nine and you can ask your questions. If you're not in town, you're listening on the chat or something, you can call it one eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred. Now, before the break we were talking. You were talking about the fear that somebody else got the Nazi technology. Who would that be. Well,
I don't think somebody else got it. I think it remained in Nazi hands. That's that's the whole argument I've been advancing through several of my books, and again it hinges around the fact that this Bell device, the the Bell technology itself, which represents the very pinnacle of Nazi research and technological development, This device remained in their hands, and the aspects of physics that they were investigating with it they continued to investigate independently, using Argentina as kind of
affront. So I think this technology remained in more or less independent hands, and the Allies and the Soviet Union got all the basically got the crumbs from the table. Yeah, there's I mean, some ideas that the Russians were able to develop something with the Nazis that they had stolen away from Germany,
But there doesn't seem to be much indication of that, does there. Well, there is some indication that I get into in ss Brotherhood of the Bell concerning some of their late war radar experiments and the principle that the Germans stumbled onto in those experiments called phase conjugation, which is a very very important principle in terms of modern physics, and the Russians did get a hold of that
radar team at the end of the war. Now, what they did is what they did with all of the rocket technicians that they got from Nazi Germany. They used them to seed their own technological development. And when they were done with these technicians, they simply expatriated them back to Germany or wherever they went. And in the case of the leader of this radar team, it turns out that he went to Brazil after the war and did similar work for
the Brazilian government. I think you have a case that can be made that this man, his name was doctor Rikhart Hellman. I think the case can be made that he probably re entered this post war Nazi international and did some work for that group of people in Latin America. Well, lord knows, we certainly took advantage of our project paper clips scientists or our entire space program is based off of their work on the V two and Werner von Brunt and
his whole group out there, right. So do you feel that then the some things you had mentioned that the Americans have built on this technology as well? Oh, yes, absolutely, I think it's very clear and let me get into some of the reasons why when the Bell project that was continued in Argentina was eventually kind of inadvertently exposed by Juan Peron. What happened was the scientist in charge was placed under house arrest, where he remained in Buenos Aires.
But the US Air Force about two years later, this would place at circa nineteen fifty four, the US Air Force, in his project Paperclip Files, which I reproduced in the Nazi International, got a hold of this man secretly and interviewed him secretly. And it's very interesting because right about this same time, if you have been following the research of Nick Cook, annie gravity
discussion disappears in the open literature. And it's also at about this same time that the American physicist Thomas town Brown pitched his project winter Haven project to the United States Navy, which of course was nothing but a project in anti gravity. So I think we have a clear indicator that the Air Force in this country was reacting to the fact that this man down on Argentina had continued all of this advanced research and we did not have it. So I think there
got gotcha. So that's when our technology began. After yeah, I think so. I don't think that there was a direct seeding of this field propulsion Nazi technology into American industry. I do think that there was a reaction, perceptible reaction on the part of the Air Force to create our own homegrown version
of it. Gotcha. So, then if you feel that there's this Nachi contingency that continues to this day, do you think they are still more advanced and perhaps what the Americans have Well, let me put it to you this way. The Nazi international after World War Two was literally a wash with cash, and they moved a lot of this at I think probably a very heavy price tag into Western banks in London and New York and essentially laundered that money.
So I think you have to look at the potential now of some sixty plus years since the end of World War Two, and the fact that you have an organization that the wash with money, that was certainly capable of pursuing its independent research after the war, and extrapolate from that what the possibilities might be. Got cham interesting? So and why do you think then some of the other governments of the world would put up with the Nazis continuing? Well,
for one thing, that's kind of a twofold question. If you go back to the period immediately after World War Two, the reason would be it's simply impossible at that point in history to figure out exactly where all of this
stuff flying around our skies is coming from. I'm sure that they had a good idea, but you know, Argentina and Chile, Brazil, those were fairly large regions of the globe, so it would be very difficult for them to have pinpointed with any exactitude in the days prior to satellites and so on and so forth where this stuff was coming from. In modern times, I think we're dealing with something different because I think you have to look again at
the track record of this post war organization. It was very very adept at penetrating and ingratiating itself with Western intelligence agencies and offering its services for some of their clandestine black operations. So I think the other part of the problem is to expose it is really to as far as the Western Powers are concerned, is really to weaken their ability to gather intelligence and to conduct these covert ops.
Got jam So it's kind of a handshake type of thing. Well, yeah, exactly, The big question, and some of the people of course are asking in the chat, is do you believe any of what we do? You believe in the extraterrestural hypotheses. Yes, I do. I'm not philosophically opposed to it. However, I want to make very clear I am not a eufologist. My interest is not to prove or disprove extraterrestrials. My interest is solely in the arguments that can be advanced for advanced human technology.
I'm certainly not opposed philosophically to the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Well, you know, one of the things when I saw your information, when you started coming out, I thought euphology would be really kind of upset and and buy it and you know, not treat it well. But it seems like just the opposite that you've been well accepted. I always hear good things about you from the community. Do you feel that you have been attacked by euthologists at all?
Well, not so much attacked, but ignored. It's an interesting question, actually, and I really haven't reflected on it, to be honest with you, before this, but I have been invited to UFO conferences. But this year, of course, is the year that Roswell and the Rice came out, and you know, it challenges a fundamental part of the extraterrestrial creed, so to speak, and the silence from the uthology community thus far to that
book has been almost overwhelming. It's been deafening. There's been one or two little reviews here and there, but the reviews don't really amount to much of a review of the book, but more kind of a subtle attack on me that uh I, you know, it's hard to gauge what the reception now of the upology community to me. Well, Michael wrote our review on your book for our magazine coming up here, and I know he loves your work and your book, so you definitely can look forward to a good review there.
Well, that's good and interesting enough. A Roswell local this year at the Roswell Festival kind of spoke about this subject and I didn't get to see his talk unfortunately, hopefully i'll get to see it soon, but he talked about kind of some of the work that you've done. Well, I'm glad I got that question in because I just got the signal we're almost out of time. It is Adventures Unlimited Press, where you could get the book. The phone numbers eight one, five, two, five three six three nine
zero. And they carry a few of your other books, right, Yeah, they carry most of my books as matter of fact, and they even carried my book to have been published by another publisher, so they can they can certainly hook people up with them. Great, well, thank you so much for being on the show. We'll have to have you on again where I can get through Michael's questions. Okay, thanks Alero, thank you. All right. Next week on the Shore, we got great George Lebono,
and it's a little bit different. We'll be talking ets the whole time. He's got a show called Alien Mind, The Thought and Behavior of extraterrest Drills. So that's what we'll be talking about next week. So you're definitely going to want to join us. And we'll be right here on Open Minds Radio. Still nine o'clock, still on CAF and X so be here, people, I'll talk to you later. Keep forget it smooth summer, I don't
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