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This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another great show. We're back from Mexico, including our news correspondent Jason McClelland we'll talk about that in just a minute. And our guest was one of the speakers out there, Donald Schmidt. He's an incredible guy. He's been investigating UFOs for decades. He was a co director for the j Allen Heineck Center for UFO Studies. You've probably remember me referring to Jay allen Heineck many times. He worked for the Air Force
as a UFO researcher. He was also a special investigator for the Heinik and the art director for the International UFO Reporter. He's done a lot more than that actually as well. Since then, he has been on the Discovery Channel several times with a Roswell dig special. We've talked to other people who have been on that show about that a bit, but this guy is a Roswell
probably the guy to interview when it comes to Roswell. He's got all the details, knows all the people, and he's going to share with us why this alleged crash of a UFO in Roswell was the real deal and was not a weather balloom. So I'm really excited to have Don on the show. We'll start off with the face with Don because he's got so much information in this, but he'll definitely be someone that will have on the show in the
future. Speaking of Mexico, many of you have gotten our first issue of the magazine, and one of the things we did out in Mexico was get some great pictures. For the second issue, we've got a great story on the aspects and some of their omens that Antonio had written. We talked a bit about that last week, and so we were able to visit tot Wakan, you know, some of those giant pyramids they have out there, and that was a lot of fun, and we were out there for Haim Mussan's
conference. We were able to stream it, so it looked like many of you went to the website to see that and you're able to watch the guests live there. We've also got them recorded, so eventually we'll get them up
on our website so you can see them there as well. Because even though the English about half of them weren't English speakers, the coolest thing was that they were translated real time into English and some of the non English presentations were incredible, especially the groups of pilots that they had and their sightings that they shared and the researchers that they have out there with all of the UFO sidings that they've gotten, because there are a lot of UFO sidings out there.
One of the guys who gets these sightings all the time is a Nate guy named Antonio Erzy. And you know, I got to say we were out there filming what might be UFOs. We got to look at it closer, but we're definitely seeing things in the sky. So we'll talk to Jason about Mexico, but first let's bring Jason on to do some UFOs in the news. Good afternoon, Alejandro, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Mind newsbreed for Friday, March twenty six, twenty ten, and
updates to a story we've been covering. The mysterious life that we're appearing over Lake Erie have been identified as lives from incoming jets, according to Tom Wortman, a field investigator for the Mutual UFO Network. The lights were observed, recorded, and reported by Ohio resident Eugene Erlik for more than non consecutive nights,
and the sighting received extensive press coverage from Fox News and MSNBC. But even though that's the final word for a muffon, it's still really unsure what the lights actually were because the lights appeared over Lake Erie and at night, same place, same every time, every night. When I used to fly to Pennsylvania, we used to fly over Lake Erie from Chicago, and when you make a turn over the lake like we did, we would look like
a light getting really bright and fading out. Right. Those are the kind of things. We've got a lot in Denver around the airport. People mistaken UFOs for planes, absolutely, and that's usually a sign, you know, if lights are appearing repeatedly, same time every night, so we'll see right. In other news, last week, German scientists announced that they have created a three dimensional invisibility cloak. Photonic crystals and special lenses create a cloak by
partially bending light waves. The findings are published in the journal Science Crazy. I mean, the technology is getting pretty amazing, but I think what that cloak was too. It's just like tiny little microbes or tiny little specks of gold, right, right. But it's a cool thing to think about, you know. That's something that everybody thought about, you know, the possibility of being invisible. Yep. And while it's a cool thought, it's also
a scary thought thinking about the applications for it. Yep. The first step is a little piece of golden next step is a Klingon warship. I always enjoyed their cloaking devices. Also in the news, on Monday morning, Virgin Galactic's spaceship two completed its first captive flight, reaching an altitude of forty five
thousand feet the three hour flight. With the success and another major step towards commercial space flights, there have been no announcements regarding a date when space tourism flights might begin, but Virgin Galactic has already received forty five million dollars in deposits for space flights from more than three hundred and thirty people. I hope they pull it off. What happens if they don't, They got to refund all that. Yeah, right, I think it's really exciting. Wean the
thought of going into space and space tourism. It's really cool. Yeah, and we'll get there eventually. But even when it starts, even if it starts next year, I'm certainly not getting in line because these people are paying astronomical amounts to go into space. Just you know, wait twenty years. It'll be cheap. And I guess it does include like an at least an over and eight or two day stay at the spaceport. I think so, and they go through training, and I mean, I'm sure it'll be fun,
but yeah, I wouldn't spend the cash on it right now. Yeah, Well, we'll see. They're making huge progress. It's really exciting to see and in open Minds News. Open Minds is officially launched open Minds Magazine. We've been accepting orders for the magazine on the Open Minds website for a couple of weeks, but the first shipment went out last week and magazines had
begun arriving in mailboxes around the world. Additionally, this week, the magazine began appearing on the shelves of Barnes and Noble, Borders and other bookstores around the United States. Yeah, it's really exciting. People loved it. We took a bunch out there for the speakers out there in Mexico. They all loved it, and they were all saying, Hey, we want to write for it. We want to write for it, which we love. You know, anybody out there who feels you're good at writing, you could go
to our website and submit a story idea. You know. We try to stick to more of a news reporting, not opinion. You know, it's more presenting the facts like you'll see in our magazine. But go to the local Barnes and Noble and pick yours up and you'll be able. I think you'll be really impressed. The response to this magazine has been phenomenal. It's a really good magazine. Yeah, so I haven't heard from anybody saying that it's awful. And I have some friends out there who can be very blunt.
I'm sure they'll call. But it is a quality magazine and I'm proud to be a part of it. For the News, I'm your Open Minds News correspondent Jason McLelland back to you, Alejandro. All right, great, So yeah, this magazine, of course, we are very excited about. Like I said, it's in your local Barnes and Nobles, so go there and check it out. If they ran out, then go to the next one. And if they ran out or at each place, tell them, hey, man, where's a magazine you should order more? So that way
they will because it's an awesome magazine. A lot of work went into it, and the graphic designs are just incredible. We have a great graphic design group that did a great job with it. So not only is the content great, but it looks beautiful as well. Some of you have probably seen some of the fit on the website, so go check that out. Coming
up next, we will be talking about Roswell. We'd be talking about Alan j Heinik will be talking about old UFO stuff, new latest breaking UFO witnesses who have come forward, and why roz Well was the real deal and this guy's evidence is pretty dang convincing. So we're going to take a short break. We'll be right back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on KFNX. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven
hundred. All right, welcome back. I want to remind you too that all of those news stories that Jason talked about earlier in the show can also be seen on the front page of our website, Openminds dot tv, and we update that on a nearly daily basis. I was a little out of sorts this week here and there, so it was slower, it wasn't updated
as quickly as usual, but it has been updated. And there's a very interesting story about UFO wave that happened in nineteen fifty f more where the mayor tried to ban these things in this whole incident inspired a whine, so kind of a neat story. But now we have our special guest, Don Schmid. Are you on the line, Elejandro, Yes, Hello, it's great to hear from you. Good to talk to you again. So you didn't fare so well after the last trip, but unfortunately this one got me.
That last burrito you had, I know a lot. I think I got it on the plane, you know. And it just seems wise to wear a respirator when you're traveling internationally on a plane. I think I hear that. I hear that more and more, and I'm surprised that more of us don't take ill considering maybe one we're in contact with. But I'm glad. Yeah, that was nothing I want to go through again. Well, it's good to talk to you again. It was a lot of fun to hang
out with you for a little while there in Mexico City. It was. Yeah, I enjoyed it as well. Uh huh. And as far as you know, you know, one of the things the main subject I believe you talked about after was Roswell. And do you get the feeling that Mexico is as up to speed on the whole Roswell's legend as we are out here. Well, and you consider that it isn't you know that far. I'm
actually here up in Wisconsin, further from Roswell than most of Mexico. I think that, especially going back even to that time in nineteen forty seven, there were a good number of people of Hispanic persuasions who were even involved. There were a lot of Hispanic station at the base of Roswell at that time,
and even a lot of the ranch hands civilians who were involved. Even the famous doctor Lincoln la Pause, the famous meteor expert of the University of Albuquerque, New Mexico and Albuquerque, would come in later that fall, assigned from Washington to go out into the field and actually determine the speed and trajectory of this this crashed object. Well, I find it amusing that how would you why would anybody be concerned about determining speed and trajectory of a weather balloon
right now? The official explanation was this the professor who believe he believed at first that it was something technology and then he changes story later. No,
in fact, he never changed his story. In fact, one of the counter intelligence noncommissioned officer, Sergeant Lewis Rickett, was assigned to assist him in the field for three weeks and the Pause because of his meteor exploration he believed in the technique of triangulation and in that fashion, that manner, by interviewing enough witnesses, you would triangulate, and then you would be able to the term and precisely were something impacted where it came down. And that's precisely what
he did regarding the Roswell crash. He spoke to enough of the ranchers and surrounding people, and that's how he made his judgments as far as how fast, at what angle and precisely what trajectory this came in. And according to Rickett, who I had interviewed quite a few times before he died, he did not see the final report that Lapause sent to Washington, but Lapause told him he was convinced it was interplanetary. Wow. And that was the word
they used back then. We had no knowledge of our solar system as we did within an next, you know, fifteen years thereafter. But back in forty seven, that was the word. It wasn't exterrestrial, it was interplanetary. Nonetheless, it was still something off this planet. Right. So find now, how many witnesses have you spoke to, witnesses that you you believe are legitimate. We have to date spoken to over six hundred wheople either first,
second, or third hand involved. And that's over the last twenty one years, and we only intensify our search for these people. And as you've heard me say, Alhandra, we're racing with the undertaker, the World War two generation. You know, the attrition rate is only intensifying each day. We're losing at the rate of fifteen hundred every twenty four hours. Wow.
And sadly, so many of these people take all of their secrets with them, and that's why we afford them that one last opportunity to finally, you know, go on the record and tell the truth. Tell the truth for their families, tell the truth for their their fellow countrymen, their very country itself. I think we all deserve to know what actually happened. And you've had some success there with some deathbed confessions. We are now approaching twenty deathbed
confessions. And invariably they all talk about the little men, the little people. That seems to be the big secret in all this, the fact that there were bodies involved. It wasn't anything that was unmanned in that regard. It was it actually had a crew. And as a result, they've had to live with something that has haunted them, something one of the he's still
alive. He lives in Albuquerque, and he was one of the MPs that was part of the unit that actually took the bodies from Building eighty four P three as it was called back in nineteen forty seven. It was a large B twenty nine hangar, and they escorted the bodies over to the base hospital and they were draped as far as with sheets, and as they pushed the gurneys, someone stepped on the corner of one of the coverings and it pulled free from the body. And this pick gramp. He saw the eyes open
and it turned its head and looked at him. Wow. So, in other words, one was alive. One survived well. Even according to his wife, they have not slept in the same bedroom for over now thirty years because he still has the nightmares, the flashbacks. He will bolt up in the middle of the night and scream out because he can't get that face out of his mind. Wow. So and then he get these people. They get emotional, they talk and the tears flow as they talk about this.
So it's something that has left this, you know, indelible mark on their very psyche. And after now sixty three years, they care. As one of the witnesses said to us, it's the first thing he thinks of in the morning when he gets up, and the last thing when he goes to bed. Well, what got you involved with Roswell research? Now? You had been researching UFOs for quite some time. Why did you decide to particularly
focus on Roswell Well. I had been a special investigator with doctor Jalen Heinek up right up to the time of his death, and then immediately following that I was appointed his director of Special Investigations. And the one case that everybody was still talking about was Roswell work. Crash saucer retrieval cases even possible.
Now, I was quite the skeptic. In fact, you know, even dating back in nineteen eighty five, I had even done a paper with the Center for UFO Studies that I just didn't feel it was conceivable that a story
of that magnitude could be kept secret for all all that time. And we were planning a trip to the Southwest in the fall of eighty eight, and I had just been to a lecture with Stanton Friedman, and I approached him backstage before the program and I asked him point blank, did he feel that they had interviewed every last possible witness if he felt that there were others still available, still out there, and I was actually quite surprised for him to
say, don there's probably hundreds of people still out there that have, you know, yet to be discovered. And I took that pretty much as a green light, and he did encourage us to, you know, go right ahead, see what you can do as far as even an independent investigation on your own. And we made that first trip within a few months. It was February of nineteen eighty nine. Again very confident we would wrap this up
in a weekend. And we came away, especially after speaking to first ten witness who actually handled the wreckage, the material and as they described it, the characteristics that defied all conventional explanation even up to twenty ten. Now as I look back and we left with the mission, we have to get back here as soon as possible. Can you tell us who that wness was? What was that? Could you tell us who that person was? Oh? Well, that was even the rancher's son, Mac Brawsow junior, Bill Braso
junior, that's correct. And then his wife Shirley was there at the same time, and we spent an entire afternoon and even when we always came back. Could it have been a weather blow? Could it have been a plane rocket? And he just fired right back? You know, No, I have never seen anything like this in my entire life. Amazing stuff. Yeah, incredible by now in a lot of these witnesses I'm sure are also military, absolutely, And those are the people that we typically are getting the deathbeds
from. They live their lives sworn the secrecy. They took oaths back in nineteen forty seven never to say another word about this, And sadly they wait until they're very deathbeds before they finally feel that the government can't hurt me any longer. They can't take my pension away from me. And I need to tell, you know, my closest members of my family what actually happened. I have to, like Superman, finally admitted Clark Kent. You know I'm
Superman, correct. So I want to talk about some of those witnesses when we get back from our break. We've got to take a short break. Right now. We're talking with Donald Schmidt, who's a roswell researcher around many other things. We'll talk more about his history. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on KFNEX. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host, UFO
paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. We're talking to Don Schmidt, longtime UFO researcher and recently Harold Right before we left the conference by one of our colleagues as one of the most attractive men in UFO research. I wanted to congratulate you on that one. I sense a total jealousy there. Yeah, you guys, one day I'll get there, do something new with my hair or something. I grew this little go tea
type thing to me. That happened, But that's okay. I'll keep trying. I'll do. We have to work at it every day. Yeah. So, I want to go way back before we get into the deathbed confessions real quick, and I want to find out about your entrance into UFO investigation at all, what you were doing at that time, and why you got inspired to work so hard on this subject. You're talking specifically Rosware UFO now,
now UFO's in general. I had an interest through even elementary school, and I through high School at the peak of even the Air Force involvement with Project Blue Book, and there wasn't a week that went by that UFOs weren't in the public arena. I mean, the constant the jousting between the investigators and even the press and the Air Force as to what was actually happening.
It was an exciting time to observe because any time it was we were left with the impression that something was going to break, something was going to happen, the government was finally going to complain. Well, as we both know historically that since nineteen sixty nine, everything has gone under the table, everything's gone underground. The level of official denial is such that I think more and more of us are starting to believe that if we don't solve it, if
we don't know breach that cloak of silence, then nobody will. Yeah, I know, you know that happens. Ever since I've been in this field only you know about a decade. Seriously, you always have this disclosure is going to happen minute, any minute. Disclosure is going to happen any minute, any slight little movement by any politician or in Washington, and people think,
oh, it's just around the corner. But in the forties and fifties you had a lot of military openly investigating UFO, the UFO subject, and through the sixties right up until nineteen seventy, I've been I've had the good fortune of being to SECORL New Mexico, which was the famous landing that took place in April nineteen sixty four involving the late Lani Zamora, who just died last year, And that was the one case that really through the Air Force
I SIGNEDIF director doctor Heinich admitted to us years later that they finally had to accept that they were dealing with nuts and bolts, that something that actually landed. In fact, even in the Air Force report it refers to the vehicle, so we weren't talking about mass hallucination or weather anomaly or anything astronomical.
Well, it's something that touched down. Yeah, I mean, I had read also that Hector Kington, yeah, eventually admitted that that case for him was one that he admits was mysterious, even though he really didn't believe that UFOs were a thread or anything. But he did say that you know,
that was one unresolved case. That's correct, and he was the last director of Bluebook, and I think the pressure was growing to the point that even the mass media had had enough of swamp gas and lights in the sky explanations.
They realized that the government had to either throw up their hands that they were helpless, that there was something that was flying through our airspace with total impunity and they couldn't do anything about it, or they actually had evidence, they had answers as we now are convinced they have in regards to crash retrievals, that they actually have physical proof that we're being visited, that it is
something manufactured off the planet. Now, during that period of time that we're talking about forties, fifties, and sixties, you have people like Gerald Ford as a senator calling for well he was a congressman in Michigan. Congressman, sorry, but yeah, he was asking for, you know, the government
to look into these subjects. He had the first director of the CIA, Hillan Cotter, who was Roscoe. Hillen called her correct at least a couple of quotes in what the Washington Post about how he felt the Air Force was
hiding information. In fact, Hillen Calder actually belonged. I mean you're talking about the first director of the CIA, and eventually would become a member of one of the first civilian UFO groups, the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena Nightcap out of Washington, d C. So so many of these people. It's so different than you could cite the case of the late Senator Barry Goldwater of your own state of Arizona and his failed efforts in trying to get the
chair of the Joint Chiefs General, Curtis LeMay to open the files. He wanted to see the proof. He was convinced again that the government had the answers, and as Goldwater himself told us, LeMay said to him, hell no, and don't ever ask me again. And then he added further, and if you ever bring this up again, I will personally see that your
court martialed. Now Goldwater was a Brigadier at general and for LeMay to tell him that his request warranted being court martialed, Please, ladies and gentlemen, don't tell me there isn't a UFO cover up when someone who was a former presidential candidate and senator and a brigadier at general is basically told, you know, this subject is off limits. Don't even bring it up right and definitely be loved out here. We've got lots of Very Goldwater around herself. Well,
they need to look into that. They need to realize, I mean all of Arizona. I mean, for those who are still very fond of the memory of Very Goldwater, I mean look into that. I mean, this is something that Goldwater used to lament about over and over again to the press and he could never get anybody to follow up on it. Now,
this all really kind of some of this fervor. Although looking into when Roswell happened, it looked like flying sausages were all over the news when you listen to those broadcasts, because there of the sort of is this, you know, finally going to be resolved, So it seems like people knew this was in the news. Do you think, even though it kind of faded away a bit, do you think behind the scenes, Roswell had a lot to do with a lot of these military people coming out and taking a harder look.
Well, in fact, the very first Air Force investigation, which was Project's signed, originated due to that very wave at last week of June, first week of July leading up to Roswell for explaining Roswell was a weather balloon, and then there was a conscientious effort by the Army Air Corps to put on weather balloon demonstrations all over the country at that time, which we've been able to document. So they weren't only trying to explain Roswell, they were
trying to sweep all of these sightings aside. And nonetheless it still necessitated the creation of that very first Air Force Project Project sign which went on for a year, and their conclusion that went right up to the Chair of the Joint Chiefs, then Colonel Hoyt Vandenburg, was that the phenomenona again was interplanetary. That was their conclusion a year after Roswell, and Vandenberg ordered the report burned
because he felt it didn't provide evidence. Well, Vandenburg was up to his eyeballs as far as regarding Roswell, and lest we forget, the very first director a project book, the late Captain Edward Rupelt in his own book, Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, he stated that by the end of July, now the very month that ros Will happened. He states that by the end of July of nineteen forty seven, Air Technical Intelligence Commission was in a complete
panic over the situation. Wow, we've got to go to a break right now, but we'll finish that up and talk more about those deathbed confessions. Will be right back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on the FNX. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former officials, folksperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, we are here with Donald Schmidt, one of the original investigators when
it comes to Roswell in many different cases. So it's exciting to have him on the show. And I think, did you get the total quote out there you were talking about Rupelt's quote? Yes, okay, I thought so, Yeah, that was it. That's the basically the pentygon. Just imagine that today if the Penta Gun should announced that they were in a panic over
anything, right, but what what had created that? And once again we believe it was Roswell, the fact that they had something drop into their laps without any answers, you know, no answers as to from where, from why, or from who. And now let's talk about some of those deathbed confessions. I believe one of those was actually Walter HoTT, who is one of the first witnesses military witnesses, and then later he added to his uh his claims well, Walder Hot was a first lieutenant. He was at the
five le ninth Bomb Group back in nineteen forty seven. He was a public
information officer. He was the liaison between the local community, the local press, and the base and so it was his job to put up press releases issued by the base itself, by the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard, And he would receive a phone call later in the morning of July eighth, after a couple truckloads or should say car and a jeep load of actual debris had been returned to the base from the crash site, and they put out
that you know now famous press release about the actual capture of a flying saucer on a ranch north of Roswell at that time. So he distributed that press release, and he was ordered to do so by Colonel blancht right by Colonel Blancherd correct and not as far as not only would it make worldwide news at that time and went out over the wire's services, and Walder would described to
us that he'd stack of phone calls on his desk six inches high. But within five hours that first explanation was retracted, was recanted and going up a chain of command. Colonel Blanchard's boss was Brigader General Roger Ramie of the eighth Air Force over in Fort Worth at Carswell Army Airfield, and they had a press conference, and even General Ramie's chief of staff at that time, General Thomas de BOE's, admitted to us before he died that they switched the real
material for a weather balloon. They substituted a very common weather device with a radar reflector kite. It was laid out on the floor of General Rami's office. The press was a lot to come in and photograph it and that would be the end of it as far as the press republic were. I think said that he didn't know what it was what was replaced. He just knew they had replaced the actual material. That's correct. That's correct, guess,
And in fact he played dumb to it. He acted. I think he tried to at least smoothed out the impression that the five or ninth bomb grove over a roswell. The very squadron which was in charge of the atomic bomb was unable to identify, again a very common weather device. And I think common, I mean that the materials you're talking about, neoprem rubber for the balloon itself, and the reflector kites for nothing but wooden sticks, reflective foil
and masking tape. You know, something, you know, a five year old child would have been able to recognize. But Walter always stuck to that story that he distributed that press release. He heard a few other things on the base and nothing more. But because he was so close to Colonel Blanchard, I mean they were almost like uncle and nephew in their personal relationship,
we realized that Walter had to have been brought into the loop. He had to have seen and known more being that close to the very base commander.
And I always went back to him, and through the years he gave us little trickles of more and more information, to the point that when Walter, who was always reluctant to go on the record and admit everything that he was aware of, he finally agreed to a signed statement, a sealed statement for posthumous release, something that could come out after he was gone, and two
years before he died. That's precisely what he did and admitted to not only handling the wreckage being out at the site, but also being taken to that hangar I described earlier and seeing the bodies laid out on the floor, right, and this all fits. It all makes sense. I mean, one of the things I find interesting is Jesse Marcel, the guy who found the stuff for intelligence, right, he intelligence at the base. He's found it, strange, brings it to his boss. Everybody's shocked. They sent out
a press release that it's a flying saucer. Then you know, they don't get in trouble for misidentifying it. Instead, according to Marcell, they're told to shut up, and they do, and they do, and they're all promoted after back. I mean, Colonel Blanchard would go on to become a
four star general. Jesse Marcel would retire a lieutenant Colonel. Walter Sadly, who the newspaper accounts described as having been severely repro manded, you know, by Washington, denied he so much has ever received a scolding from anyone. But yet, for whatever reason, he did resign from the military a year later. I think a lot of it was because his spirit was broken that they knew what actually happened, and they were all forced to live this lie
or about the biggest story of all time. So who are some of the other deathbed confess confessors that you were just ecstatic to find? Well, another one and someone I didn't mention at the summit in Mexico City. But he's a civilian, but he's also a scientist, an engineer. He was a mechanical engineer at Boeing Aircraft and he worked specifically in their crash investigation team back
in nineteen seventy give me forty seven. His name was Richard Loveridge, and he was responsible for both Texas and New Mexico crash investigation at that time. So he had homes in both San Antonio and in Roswell, of all places. And after this happened, he was immediately called in for what he thought was going to be a routine plane crash, but it was much more. It was so much more that he refused to talk about it. Refuse to
talk about it for many years thereafter. In fact, every time his son heard anything new about Roswell, knowing that his father had actually been there, his father would just always respond, don't ask, don't ask, don't go there, don't talk about it. And it wasn't until he was dying in nineteen ninety three that he finally told his son what happened, and that he had actually been out at the crash site and that he had seen the remains
of the ship which was you know, non conventional, and saw the bodies. He admitted to seeing the bodies wow, and again he described them as the others, that they were small child sized and that they were clearly not human speak. But he warned his son, Lee's don't ever say anything, because the government can still hurt you. That's how you put it. That
was in nineteen ninety three before he died. Amazing so that they lived, you know, with that level of intimidation and fear right up to the moments, and they're warning their families, you know, the very same thing. You can't talk about this now. Forestall. I know, at least in Paul David's movie, and I think it comes from some of your work.
There was a connection between forest Law and the beings. Well. Forestall was the Secretary of War, which was a threat accessor to the Secretary of Defence, as he was in nineteen forty seven and immediately after this whole situation, he became quite interested. In fact, if we were to go back to the White House log of meetings during that whole week that this took place,
you would have thought World War three had started. I mean, there were there were emergency meetings as far as between forrestaw and the President Vandenburg, who I mentioned chair of the Joint Chiefs, as far as Leslie Groves, General Leslie Grove who was ahead of the Manhattan Project, and at others James Doolittle and other generals. And again it was as though we were, you know, under a major alert, and and and Forrestall was one of them.
And right after this he becomes rather openly outspoken about UFOs, and he starts to even keep a log, and he starts to even suggest areas and ways that the phenomenon needs to be investigated. And we know that he had marital problems, he also had bouts with depression, and there was concerns that he may have even been suicidal. He was hospitalized and he was found that he
either had jumped or something else outside of his hospital bedroom. And I know many people just dismiss it as being nothing more than the sad, tragic ending to you know, someone who was into bouts of you know, hallucination and depression. But then there are those who suggest he was getting too close, he was looking under the very interesting. Thank you for being on the show, Don, That was great. I mean, it's just incredible information on
as well out there that people do not realize. And where can I go to see some of your books? Our website is roswell Investigator dot com. Roswell Investigator dot com. All right right, Greatswell is there. Thanks for being on the show. We'll have you again and for the rest of you, be sure to show up next Friday. You've been listening to Open Minds Radio on kfeex