Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here're your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello, Alejandro Rojas with Open mind Radio, your UFO news authority. And today we have a superb show. Just the words
superb today because it is. It's great. We've got Don Schmidt. You may have remembered we had him over a year ago, and I barely remember it because I was really sick and I felt like I was battling the whole time. But I listened to it and I didn't do as bad as I thought. I could tell in my voice and I can see myself kind of being out of it, but I wasn't so much. And also, oh, I should point out for those of watching, you may notice that we
already have Jason on the set there. It was by there were a lot of women who emailed us and said you need to have Jason on longer, and they wanted to take a look at him for a longer period on the show, including the Raiders cheerleaders. So we said, okay, you know, how can he tell the Raiders cheerleaders know, so now they can see
Jason longer. Don Schmidt though, we're gonna have on the show. Like I mentioned earlier, some of the things, well, he told us a little bit about this, but how his mentor was Jay Allen Heinik, who was an astronomer who helped with Close Encounters. He was an advisor for that movie and he had a little cameo appearance in there, and so he's been in this for a long time. He was a Roswell skeptic, but then you know, started researching Roswell and to his surprise, he've just found tons
and tons of witnesses and he became one of the main Roswell researchers. He wrote a book in nineteen ninety and then also helped with Paul David's movie which I'm always raving about, the Roswell movie for Showtime, which you can read about all of this, and the latest issue of Open Minds magazine, which should be on the shelves at the largest bookstores in the United States of America, which is like the big Cheese the US. So that's a big deal.
That's pretty cool, so go check that out. We're also going to talk about some things you might not have heard about, such as Lewis Ferricon had a UFO conference. He had a UFO portion at a recent conference, and it was going at the same time as the UFO Congress which we held, and Don went back and forth to attend both. So he's going to
talk about that. We're going to talk about some other conferences and things that have happened in the area, including a conference that Antonio Juneez and Michael Shratt will be speaking at, which is in Kingman, Arizona. It's the first annual Kingmen Conference and that's May sixth through the ninth this weekend. The website is Arizona ufosdings dot com. If you want to look up more, Don and I will talk about that and I will repeat that you are all again
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Paranormal RPTR where we put up all of our cool stories and everything. Some of the cool stories we put up on a nearly daily basis are UFO headlines from around the world because there's lots going on when it comes to UFOs on a week and it's just mind boggling. And to help us out with that, we bring in our news correspondent Jason McClelland Jason, why didn't you tell
us about the latest UFO news? Buddy greeting Zalajandro and hello everyone, This is your Open Minds news brief for Monday, May two, twenty eleven. The Sun published an article last week about Hitler's plan to build a fleet of UFOs during World War Two. This article points to evidence that suggests an SS officer by the name of Hans Kamler achieved significant breakthroughs in anti gravity technology towards
the end of the war, which supposedly led to UFO development projects. The Sun's article references the German magazine PM, which published a report last year professing to have strong evidence supporting the claim of an advanced Nazi UFO program. The magazine reportedly quoted witnesses who saw a flying saucer marked with the German iron cross
flying low over the Thames in nineteen forty four. According to The Sun, Joseph Andreas e f, an engineer who served as a consultant to a not the UFO project, claimed fifteen prototypes were built, but Martin Staide, who is an author of a book on an area where UFO projects supposedly took place, claims one hundred and seventy four flying saucers were developed at the site. Wow, that's kind of crazy. And this is you know, for UFO
researchers, and of course you and I this isn't new news. This is information that's been out and our own Michael Schratt has talked about the Nazi involvement with UFO research. But The Sun and some other media outlets have done stories on this lately, and I suspect it's due to and we've talked about it on the show, and we've certainly mentioned it on Openminds dot tv, our
website. But there's a movie coming out next year called Iron Sky. They supposedly supposedly they've been working on it forever, but it is a comedy and supposedly the premise of the movie is that the Nazis after World War Two, sent UFOs to the Moon to develop a base there so they could get ready to attack us from the Moon. Well, and sure enough, the Sun is always bombastic and sensationalistic. Antonio actually went and looked at that story on
the German magazine. He says they don't have strong evidence at all. They take a skeptical standpoint and they discuss the issue, but they do not personally purport to have strong evidence to show this. So the Sun definitely blew that out of proportion, which is nothing new for the Sun. Well, and a lot of that particular article was also sort of pushing the guy's book that what was his name, Martin stade Ah, who has a book about the UFO projects, the not the UFO projects. Yeah, yeah, it seems
like they were working on step. I don't know if they actually built something, but built something. I said built felt because everybody of the Bell the Bell there, That's what I'm saying, And because the Bell project is the one that Michael talked about, which is one project which they possibly did really build. Yeah, he actually talked about that on UFO Hunters as well.
Wait to go, Michael. In other news, a new book about the search for extraterrestrial life was released last month by Washington Post staff writer Mark Kaufman. Kaufman explains on his website Habitable Zones. Scientists by the thousands around the world are engaged in a broad and increasingly successful search for the origins of life on Earth and for traces of life elsewhere in our universe. My book seeks to bring out bring to life the science and some of the scientists at the
center of the effort. A Washington Post colleague Joel Achenbach recently interviewed Kaufman about his new book titled First Contact Scientific Breakthroughs in the Hunt for Life Beyond Earth. In the interview, Kaufman briefly discussed the STEADI the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, stating that he has quote never been a fan or even particularly knowledgeable a
knowledgeable person about SETI. He explains that after walking through a SETI telescope array, he came to the conclusion that, quote, if we're in fact interested in trying to learn whether technologically evolved life exists out there, we don't have many alternative alternatives to Setti's current approach. However, he still feels that the
SETI approach to searching for extraterrestrial life is quote mostly a crapshoot. SETI made headlines last week following the announcement that, due to budgetary cutbacks, the Institute was forced to suspend operations at their Allan telescope array. Kaufman's book, First Contact Scientific Breakthroughs in the Hunt for Life Beyond Earth was published by Simon and Schusler and is in stores now. Great. Yeah, sounds interesting, sounds
like an interesting read astrobiological. A lot of these astrobiology books coming out written by these astrobiologists kind of bague on the et subject. You know, they definitely like to have it in the title and mention it because it's sexy and it creates a lot of interest. But many of them, their point is is that they feel strongly about microbes and things out there, and that's pretty
much it. Yeah, there's so many right now possibilities that are presenting themselves that a lot of people are taking different kind of approaches, but usually around them. But this book I like the sound of it because it sounds like just an overview, a general overview of the players right now, the astrobiologists out there in what each of them is doing, the approaches they're taking.
Oh interesting, Yeah, so that sounds like a better approach because I know you and I every week we talk about these different astrobiologists and different scientists with these far out theories, you know, crazy statements. They're just these leaps they're making all for the sake of a paper, and that's pretty much it. Kind of far out there with no basis. This, however, seems a little more safe because it's just an overview of what others are doing.
Yeah, I'm more journalistic, right, give exact idea what's going. And that's the thing. I don't believe this guy is a scientist. He is a writer, that's what he is. So he's a journalist and I think that's the approach of his book, and I think it's a good way to go. Wait to go, buddy. Oh yeah. Well. On April twenty first, the National Security Agency posted documents from their Technical journal, and
in these documents were actually some articles about extraterrestrials. One of these articles was titled Key to the Extraterrestrial Messages, which led some to assume that these documents were pertaining to messages received from extraterrestrials, when in fact, these documents were actually related to exercises the NFA conducted for practicing deciphering coded messages that extraterrestrials may send us in the future. Nalejandra, you wrote an interesting article about this
on our website. Yeah, a lot of confusion there. And I go back because if you're like, hey, man, you know those documents were
called extraterrestrial messages. How can they be just exercises? But if you go read our story, I show you exactly how, because it is very evident when you look at the introduction of these articles, and they all stem back to one particular article by a gentleman named Kalamejos who was a cryptologist, famous cryptologist for the NSSAY, and he started off with his document about kind of
about the beginning of when they were thinking about doing STEADI type stuff. He talked about Frank Drake and his stuff, and this was in the late sixties and it was all brand new then, and it was kind of funny because he has this passage in there about how some of these scientists are because of Frank Drake and other people's works, because there were other people doing this stuff trying to figure out how many extraterrestrial civilizations there are out there, and they
figured probably a lot. So they started to bat around the idea of listening to signals to listen to extra treasturills. But it's kind of funny because in this article, this NSA article that Kella Mahos wrote, he even wrote how the issue is that we have a little bit of knowledge about a certain type of technology, but there's a huge array of possible technology that may be used for communication across the stars, and we only know a fraction, we've only
mastered a fraction. So it's probably might not be the best way, because if they're using any of these myriad of other technologies that we're aware of, let alone technologies we're not aware of, it might not be the best approach. And that's the thing is that we're listening, you know, using our radios and stuff. You know what. Let's say they wouldn't fly over and just use a regular radio line or television signal with a prob or something.
I mean, if they want to get a message to us, they're going to get a message to us. Not only that, he pointed out the difference that even if at this civilization is fifty years more technical than we are, think of how where we work fifty years ago. That's a huge difference. Let alone it's our five hundred five thousand or anything like that. So it's kind of cool some of the things he talks about. It's an interesting read, and it's a short document, and then he gets into some exercises.
Because he was a teacher on how to decipher extraterrestrial messages, and he proposes some exercises, and then other people did, and that's what people thought were these message, these extraterrestrial documents. But he does have another one out there called UFO Hypothesis, where he argues why it's really important, given the UFO sidings that they're having and the credible people that are having them. When he wrote this document in the late sixties, why it's real important that science
and the NSA take UFOs and extraterrestrial visitations seriously. He was really into the topic and he was one of the founding fathers of cryptology in the NSA. So I'm glad you wrote the article on it, because you're You're absolutely right. There was definitely a story there. It's not the story that many people were running with, but it's not disclosure like some people thought it might be, which but it is still some really interesting staff. Yeah. And I
know you actively search on Twitter for extraterrestrial messages. Yeah, and I found, in fact, the majority of messages are difficult to decipher and maybe extraterrestrial in origin. That's right, I can't prove otherwise. It's a lot of strange stuff on Twitter. Yeah, well, Alejandro, I know you and I are big fans of the moon. We both really want to go to the Moon. Well, the moon rocks. Every week we seem to get more options. This one gets us a little closer. It doesn't quite get
us to the moon. But Space Adventures, a private space exploration company, recently announced plans to offer trips around the Moon to space tourists. Passengers willing to pay the one hundred and fifty million dollar ticket price would launch into space aboard a three seat spacecraft. Upon reaching space, the craft would rendezvous with a waiting unmanned rocket that would take the spacecraft the rest of the way to the Moon, where the Moon would be circled at an altitude of sixty two
miles. According to Popular Science, Space Adventures expects to begin launching their trips around the Moon within the next five years. Wow, right around the corner. Within five years. How cool is that? Well, and hopefully another five years after that the price will drop dramatically and then we can afford it. Yeah, fifty dollars special, fifty bucks. I'm waiting for Southwest,
you know Southwest. You can get the Companion airfare. Yeah, Companion airfare or you know, think as the miles you're racking up there, you go, oh yeah, going around the moon. Excellent, that would be so awesome. That's amazing. And what if, you know, the private privatization of space travel actually makes things move quicker. We haven't seen evidence of that yet. We've we've got lots of plans and ideas, but you know, NASA, of course, was pretty stagnant for a long period of time.
Now NASA is going to go back to the Moon, but they're using technology very similar to what they used to go to the Moon in the first place, so they've kind of taken a step back. So it's I'm just very excited to see all this. It's very exciting. You and I talk about this all the time. It's great. And I think with all these private companies taking the lead and doing all the research, developing new technology, it's going to open lots of doors. Yeah, it's cool. You know,
fire around the dark side and maybe we will find their civilizations there. We can wave look at the aliens. Oh yeah, I want to see the dark side of the moon. Yeah, not the fake one that they portray in the next Transformers movie. Oh yeah, but the actual dark moon. Mysterious lights over Lake Erie aren't uncommon, but a resident of Ohio recently captured some strange lights on video over the lake near his home in East Lake.
The witness, Michael Lee Hill, told Cleveland Fox affiliate Fox eight that his video provides the first clear images of these lights. The video shows multiple lights over Lake Erie. The lights vary in color and may or may not be flashing or blinking. At times, the lights appear to hover motionless in the sky, while at other times the lights appeared to slowly move through the sky in different directions. Hill says he has been filming Lake Erie UFOs for a
long time. According to Fox eight, a group that previously researched the strange lights over Lake Erie concluded that they were airplanes. Additionally, officials at nearby Hopkins International Airport told Fox eight that planes from the US and Canada frequently take off and land over the water. Hill disagrees with the airplane conclusion and points
to his latest video as evidence. It's interesting because after Fox reported this story the Canadian the US Coast Guard contacted the Canadian Coast Guard, and the Canadian Coast Guard came back with a response saying that only at certain times of day and in just the right light, people from the US can see these lights in Canada and they're from radio towers or windmills, which is an odd explanation for these lights because if you watch the video, they are pretty high in
the sky, too high for a radio tower or a windmill. Yeah, at the video, you know, you just there was a steal from the video on the video. If people are watching the show via video, if you're not, remember go to Open Minds dot tv. You can see all of these stories and there's links to the video. But you're right. I mean, I remember it was move On. There was a big craze that there were UFOs over Eerie. People were going there every night and saying you
can see them every night. And what move On was saying is that the majority of what people were seeing were planes, because there's lots of planes flying over Lake Erie. And I think they were right for those people saying they're coming every night, and they didn't say for sure, this is the answer for everything. And plus they didn't look at this guy's video. This guy only just released his video this week, even though he's been getting them for
a while, so I don't know. His video does look a little different. It does look like some lights maybe saying still for a period of time. But of course, if a plane is flying towards you over a lake, it's not going to show much of a change, right, especially if cloudy conditions like they were. They have their lights on in the cloud, So it's hard to say. You'd have to see more video and see,
you know, the times of days and stuff like that. I know, the move On guys were able to get the schedules for the planes and show that, you know, some of these videos were taken exactly when the planes were in the area. So I think, you know, it sounds like, because I've seen other video that's really weird, that possibly something is strange is going on over Lake Erie, because there's been I don't think you could
fool everybody, you know. I think there's a lot of discerning people out there looking at these lights who are like wow, you know, I really don't think they would be happy if they could explain these things as planes. But like you said, a lot of those lights are so high in the air planes commercial jets ten thousand feet in the air makes sense, but as tower on the ground. Kind of a ridiculous explanation, at least for that video. That video obviously is not towers on the ground. I mean,
the lights are too high in the sky, right. And even in this video, you know, some of the lights could be planes and some could be unknown, because some appear to have different behavior. And there are plenty of people who witness these lights on the lakes and they say, we've lived here all our lives. We see the airplane traffic all the time. We know the difference between airplane traffic and these strange lights, right, So something
strange going on. Yeah, something eerie over Lake Erie. I'm sure that headline has been used. Yeah, I've read it, but everything all the time. I'll give you the credit eerie light Lake Erie. Let's talk about crop circles. The crop circle was discovered a couple weeks ago in a field of oil seed rape near Chepstow in South Wales. The design had a diameter of two hundred and twenty feet. The farmer who owns the field is unhappy about the crop circle, however, and claims the damage to his crops is
going to cost him more than one thousand dollars in lost crops. In response to the crop circle, this farmer has apparently installed surveillance cameras in the field to catch any crop circle makers in the act. He needs business, he's serious. Well, you remember in Aliens where they had those moved like a movement detector laser cannon r FO time. I wonder if they mounted some of
those babies out there, what would happen entertainment. Yeah, well they might be able to if crop circles were made, even with those laser guns. You know, that proves there's something crazy going on. Oh yeah, well it's cool. This guy has this camera set up, and it's unfortunate that more of the farmers don't have them, because they would have something interesting on you everybody did. They would catch some hoaxers, because there's definitely people hoaxing,
but they may catch some more orbs because people have caught there. There's a real famous one that's fake, but people have caught a lot of very interesting ORB videos right in that area. And I think, I don't know if I talked about this last week, and we're going to have Nancy Talbot on in a couple of weeks, but there's some new crop circles in Holland.
I don't believe you talked about it last week. Yeah, and she was able to demonstrate that there was some actual burning in a crop circle, because she says people have claimed there is burning in crop circles, but every case that she's seen, it's turned out to be a type of moss that is black and not actual burning. But in this case they were able to
show that there was actual burning in the crop circles. So that's an interesting one in these hauland crop circles having to do with Robert Vandenbroke, who will have on uh, you know, we'll talk about the details, but they're getting more elaborate and very interesting and extraterrestrials. I don't know if they don't know or they don't care, but it's kind of unfair to these farmers to
destroy their crops. Yeah, but what they're doing could be more important if they're or if they're interdimensional, whatever they are, whatever's going on, and plus it's not our crops. You know, I doubt they see the world as I doubt they honor deeds and and you know, property agreements. They probably think, you know, hey, this crop's mine too, buddy.
Yeah, but that guy's the one who has to pay the bills. Could be like a message I love you message and it's like, but mister farmer, I love you awesome, but they need to give us the code to decipher. Yeah, I know. Then it would be okay, go oh they love me. It's okay. I don't care about that thousand dollars. Yeah pounds, No, it was six hundred pounds they believe. Oh okay, I converted it. Oh okay. One last bit of news here. The Roswell Ufo Museum plans to build a new home for the museum and it
hit Their plan hit a snag last week. A paperwork error has been cited for the reason for the delay, but the museum's board of Director's plans to reevaluate things after the upcoming annual Roswell Ufo Festival. In July, I reported twelve thousand people visit the Roswell Ufo Museum every month. Lots of people, Yeah, lots of people. And hopefully we're going to be manning a table
there during the Roswell Festival. From the First to the Forest. Don Schmidt will be there to sign his story in our magazine, Buy our magazine. He wrote, a story in there. Sign it. San Friedman wrote a story. He can sign it for you there at the museum, and you are just gonna be looking. You're gonna be sitting real pretty at that point. Excellent, you have, oh one hunter. That is it for the news. All right, Thank you sir. You bet adios, Mutaco adios.
All right. So some cool stuff. Jason all already mentioned our nssay story, which was really fun because we've got a lot of great responses from that, and even some of the people who had reported this story first, thinking that it was a real extraterresterial message, came over and said, hey, thanks man, you know, for clearing that up, and we're really cool about it. So we thank our UFO colleagues and for their enthusiasm and
for their thanks. Another story. Clearing up some misinformation is a way I'll put it, and innocently, so I think just sometimes people, you know, it takes a lot of research to get all the details right. And Antonio has been writing his stories on the royals and UFOs just in time for
the wedding, so this is kind of cool. He wrote a story about Lord Montbountain, who was actually Prince Philip's uncle, so that would be Prince William's great uncle who was into UFOs and he researched UFOs and there was one case where a ufo, according to someone who worked at his estate, landed on his estate and a creature came out. So Lord mount Bounton looked into
that. He interviewed the witness and others who were around, uh to see the witnesses reactions, and went out to go look at the area and stuff like that. And this was supposedly someone that Lord mont Bountain really trusted. And what's need, of course is a great uncle of uh, you know, Prince William. You know is going to be a big week. These are people who are you know, high rollers, they're they're high their officers in the navy and everything, so you know, these are very well to
do, credible people. So it's kind of cool. So this it's a two parter or this first part is all about the landing that happened at border Lands Aren't Broadlands a state which was where Lord Montbountain lived, and the details and some of the pictures and you can even go directly to the actual files
that were made. I think we're the first ones to ever post as far as I know, the actual files that were filled out on the reports of the UFO where you can see the witness testimony and you could see Lord mount Batten's statement on the whole incident. So this is kind of exciting, and we've got pictures and stuff like that, so you can find out more about
what the royals really do believe when it comes to UFOs. Some people were saying he had his own sighting, but that has not been confirmed, and at least mont Boughten never shared with anybody any particular sighting that he had, although I know there's at least one claim out there that he said he had seen something, but that had never been confirmed. But Antonio is going to
write a part too, sometime in the near future. He's hard at work on the next day two of the magazine, so it may be a few days, but we'll have that up and of course look for that because it's going to be exciting, ladies and gentlemen. Our website always is. And speaking of exciting, we've got Don Schmidt. So let's go ahead and listen to our Don Schmidt interview. This is great stuff, all right, Don, I am here, Alejandro good to be back with you. Yes,
it's great to have you again. It's funny because I just listened to a bit of the show I had you on like a year ago, or when we got back from Mexico, and I was so and it's kind of funny because I'm stuttering, and it just reminded me of what I felt like. It was a bad burritle you had, I remember, I think, so it was scary because what was funny actually during the show is I had the hiccups. It's really bad for like a day and a half, and apparently
that's really dangerous if you have hiccups for more than three days. So I was worried, and I drank a pop and I was really worried. And for some reason during the show when I interviewed you did I was able to not hiccup. But I mean I'm talking. I mean, as soon as the show was over, I started hiccuping again, and for like twenty four hours, and I had to go to the doctor and they gave me something that work. But you are correct, I recall you were totally composed.
I did not hear or I know you had told me ahead of time not feeling well, yeah, we even joked about it, but the fact that immediately after the show that I'm glad you took medical action and that, yeah, it was pretty serious because you know, there were at least some more names and stuff I couldn't recall, but you were very gracious and he remembered the names and it all worked out. Yes, yes, it did all
right. So we have a lot to talk about, and uh, one of I guess the first thing I wanted to talk about is during the and I'm not sure how you even pulled this off, if you bilocated or what, but during the UFO Congress, which you were at and you were wonderful and we're getting comments about the people there loved it. But somehow the Lewis ferri Con was also having a conference and he had a UFO portion, and you were at both conferences at the same time at the same time. Can
you imagine that? First of all, I expressed reluctance for leaving Phoenix and certainly being part of this other conference hosted by the Minister Phara Khan almost up to about four days before I left for Phoenix, and I kept reminding them that, I mean, I had a contract in Phoenix. I was obligated to speak there. That was certainly priority one. And they kept assuring me that, oh no, no, we're just gonna pull you away for just
one afternoon, one afternoon. And I kept bringing coming back to well, what if the weather is a factor? I mean we're talking here, you know, March, right, And what if I can't get back from Chicago, what if there's a delay. And just a week before there had been a shutdown at O'Hare airport. Wow, And we had to wait until we saw that the weather did not appear or would not be a factor. There was a forecast of some flurries, possible light snow. But nonetheless it was
a last minute thing. I had not committed to it until just the week before, and then I had other conditions that there could be nothing religious about it and nothing political, that it was strictly going to be UFOs. And after I had all of those assurances, what I finally, you know, even agree and true to their word. That's precisely what did help. What did take place? Well, yeah, I was worried because I knew Himei
was gonna be there. We were going to try to do a live broadcast of him that didn't work out because he was so busy, and I was worried too, because you know, around a decade ago, I was watching Nightline what Tech COOPFO Yeah, of course, and very con was on, and I watched it because you know, I'm a new town and I get really interested, especially in the U that race relations type of stuff that's involved with that kind of thing as a kid affecting all of us today and rightly.
And he was actually well spoken, and the interview was very impressive, actually, especially because I've heard some of the more negative rhetorics that he's had. But then at the end, he's like, I got to tell you one more thing, and he said, Okay, what do you have to say? And he says, there's a UFO, a giant mothership over the ocean, and it's about to come and destroy the White world where all of their crimes and corruptions. And it was so I was like, you know,
everybody watching and take couple were all pretty blown away by that. And in the UFO community, we're thinking, oh, yes, that's all we need, I mean, someone to make such a pronouncement and and and use it mostly as just race s beating in the sense that well, it's it's anti Semitic, it's anti gentile, as far as the idea that you know that even the Aliens had it in for us problem. He was most gracious to us. We met with him for a full hour and a half wow
before that afternoon. Uh, very soft spoken, totally supportive in our work. He kept referring to us as being heroic and pioneers in the forefront of uncovering you know this, this mystery, this phenomenon. He kept referring to the the the wheel, which is you know the word they use in describing UFOs, you know, flying saucers, that I mean that sort, and explained to us that this is something that has taught, something that is generally
accepted within the Muslim Committe community. And so I did feel a bit outnumbered. We spoke in a room of five thousand people, wow, by an audience of five thousand people, and then the overflow room was another four thousand. And I guess what help was the fact that I had a Jewish individual being being that of doctor Roger Lear sitting next to me at the d S. And a couple of times as we sat there, he said to me he asked me, don do you think we're safe up here? And again
they treated us like rock stars from beginning to end. And then go ahead and then uh with with Stan Friedman and even his name Friedman very Jewish. He provided a pre recorded tape statement that was used at the close of the Roswell or I should say, the UFO a portion of the conference that afternoon, and and and there too, the audience applauded when I spoke, and I asked the attending people how many have heard of Roswell, Well over ninety
percent of the people raised their hands and then applauded. So yeah, we recorded that Friedman teeth on my laptop in our little office room at the conference because at the Congress, yes, and I figured it came down to some of your people, some of your production people right there assisting the people in Chicago to get that done so they could actually present it as a final statement.
But again, after all was said and done, we were also informed that it was viewed, as it was streamed online by almost one hundred million people, holy only, probably all around the world. I know he act around the world, the world, And that's what it finally came down to.
The fact that for about three hours, we had an opportunity to present our best case, our day in court, as far as our UFO research, to one hundred million people who wouldn't have had such an opportunity before, and given the stakes, given the idea that we're all hoping that disclosure someday will be at hand, that we may have influenced at least some world leaders into accepting and believing the fact that, yes, maybe we're not being told
the truth about this phenomenon. Maybe there is something more to it than what the the heads of state in such countries as our own United States are withholding the truth, are not disclosing the true nature of the phenomenon. So any time I have an opportunity to speak before someone else beyond the choir, So yeah, I feel that if we are true to our own nature, that
we're going to we're going to present it to the skeptics. We're going to present it to other religions, We're going to present it to other peoples because if they provide us with the opportunity, right, then what do we prove by only sharing it with like minded individuals? Yeah, those are all good points, because I thought you know, wow, because it's such a controversial figure and things like that. What would I do? But when you have the opportunity to reach so many people, Uh, yeah, you kind of
got to take it. And it's a bit of a gamble because you don't know if he'll maybe take what you're saying and spin it. But that didn't happen, which is which is great. And I had back in Phoenix the next afternoon after I had presented as far as my paper, well, how did you do that? You presented? So you went to Chicago Saturday afternoon
and right from there I missed their their evening evening banquet. I didn't have a thing to eat, and I had a rush right back to Old Farm and at the gate in a light snow, and I'm wondering, why aren't we backing off? Come on, don't tell me they're going to delay this flight or because of snow and without an announcement, and a flight attendant finally walked by and I asked, I said, is there a problem? And she said, well, we haven't been given the okay to back off from
the gate. Finally, the pilot comes on and says, ladies and gentlemen, sorry for the delay, but we're gonna have to de ice and we hope to you know, take off within an hour. Wow, I'm thinking, is even if it takes till tomorrow morning, just get me back to Phoenix. What happens when I ride back in Phoenix, it's a cold, blustery rain, and it's like, can I get away from this stuff? Yeah? Well, it was a beautiful morning that Sunday. It was a
beautiful morning. And then I had two sisters of the Islam faith come up to my table after my talk and they informed me that they had seen the Chicago conference on time and that was the reason they came the conference in Phoenix,
Hollie Molly. So we attracted again some additional people, some people who would not have even given it a second thought, but because they were so impressed that there was and they weren't even aware that there was a legitimate UFO investigation, you know, ongoing at that very time, and that there was a conference right in their very city. Wow. And they assured me that next year they were going to spread the word and that it may generate the
generate the one hundred extra people for all you know. Yeah, yeah, how cool, that's great. And you how that works. We see how that works. So yeah, there's a testament. It was the right decision. So who was there? You were there? Friedman had the videosan Roger Lear AJ, oh yeah, he was that. He flew out there too. And there was the couple from Italy I can't think of their name right now, has a multiple ongoing experience, yes, yes, Antonio Zy.
And there was a doctor who works with Roger Lear who was also there to confirm at least some of the testing on some of the alleged implants that he has retrieved through some of the surgeries. And that was basically it. Wow,
yeah, how funny because we also were contending with that weekend. Well, some of our speakers were there was an event for Battle La the movie, Yes, and I don't know if they asked you to be a part of that, but some of our speakers weren't in La part of this panel and opening for their movie, and they were flying back and forth between Phoenix and La for that. I think Friedman was part of that too, and
Colonel Halt was part of that. I know Charles Halt right. Well, it does demonstrate though that we've had some very lean years in the past, where if there were just two or three conferences anywhere, that was about it. But just imagine the thoughts that you're conflicting. I mean, just one weekend there are three different you know events going on, you know, all touching, all, you know, spreading the information. Yeah, about the
very phenomenon that you know, we keep crying out. Just listen to the information. Just examine the record, look at the testimony, look at the documentation. It's there if one just takes the time to look at it. Yeah, that's all we're asked, anyone. Yeah. And then just a few weeks before this gigantic Saudi Arabian Business Forum which had some of our speakers there too, they had Nick Pope and Freedman and again and absolutely Yeah.
So the company of you know, the President Bill Clinton, for example, who as we know himself, has a very definitive interest in the subject of UFOs and most specifically Roswell. You know what, that's a great topic and I haven't asked you about that. So maybe let's segue into that into sure Clinton had an interest in Roswell, And it seems like possibly and we'll see
if you agree with this that because of Clinton's inquiries and interest. We got these Air Force reports too, which were to try to qualm or Quelsh's growth his interest. Well, when we came out with our first book in nineteen ninety, Kevin Randall and IUFO crash at Roswell, and we had already been approached by producer writer Paul Davis for purchasing or optioning the rights to the book.
And as I'm sure most of the audience knows, it then would lead to the Golden Globe nominated Best TV Motion Picture Roswell, which we're still very proud of. Well, anyway, we were hoping to have a private screening of the movie at the White House, just as Spielberg had with the movie et during the Reagae administration, and up until about a week before that is exactly what was scheduled, until someone else, someone outside of the Oloval office,
decided that it was not about to happen. That someone either at the Pentagon or someone else felt that it was too controversial. Well, it didn't stop us from providing something else for the President, at least on the subject.
And it's a topic and you probably have heard me mentioned this before, but the fact that Roswell was mentioned in the ken Star report on the Harmonica Lewinsky scandal, and when the grand jury subpoenaed the book that Lewinsky had given Clinton as a Christmas present, when they retreated from his private study, they found the book Sandwich between two other books. One was a book on Winston Churchill and the other was an autographed copy to the President of our book you
opulcress at Roswell. So therein began, I like to believe his interest or
increased or intensified his interest in the subject. And then as the late Congressman Stephen Shift also made inquiries to the White House and to the then Secretary of Defense, Less aspen As to the opening of the Roswell files, and as Newsweek magazine very aptly described as the preemptive strike on the part of the Air Force when they came out in September of nineteen ninety four with their third official explanation, that being their new theory, that being the same type of weather
balloon device, but that it was part of a top secret project back in nineteen forty seven called Mogul, the theory being that if the Soviets were to detonate their own atomic bomb, that we would pick up the shockwave. Well, I understand right now that the mogulists are now taking credit once again that it was also Mogul that even picked up that first detonation of an atomic bomb
by the Soviet Union in August of nineteen forty nine. Well, if you look at the historic record, well, sorry, Mogil friends, it was not because if Mogul would have been successful, we should have picked up the shockwave within hours or at least a day or two. Nonetheless, according to the Air Force, we didn't even know the Soviets had detonated an atomic bomb until almost three weeks later, because we picked up a higher reading of radiation
in the upper atmosphere. Mogil had nothing to do with it. So sorry, Mogil failed miserably. So not only wasn't it the explanation of what happened at Roswell, it couldn't even do the job it was assigned to do.
But nonetheless, getting back to even President Clinton, we believe, and as you mentioned, that one of the reasons that they so quickly skirted the issue, that being the Air Force, and they tried to downplay the president's growing curiosity on the subject, was by coming out with this new theory, this new explanation, and that being Project Mogul, and most people within the media
to this day, Well, wasn't it Project mobil. Didn't the Air Force come out with the official explanation back in the nineties explaining this all the way, Well, yeah, they tried to, but they are still unable to provide a single witness to that effect. It still remains a theory. None of the witnesses support that theory. None of the witnesses described a balloon of any sort, and as of April two thousand and eleven, they are still
betting zero. And we today have spoken to over six hundred people that claim that the flying saucer explanation was the correct one. Well, I always like to is Clinton's comments, because He's commented a couple of times on this whole affair and that Oh I asked the Air Force about that whole Rothwell thing and they told me it was just a balloone. But he always has the caveat and I know in Hong Kong it was. But I wouldn't be the first
president than that. Creer, Burt Bery Kraft have probably held information from Marlay to that's correct. I've seen that very interview that he did. It's probably one of the more recent, probably the most recent comment. And the thing is, if you think back to it, he appeared to be a bit blindsided, that he was caught off guard when the reporter even brought up the subject, and he was a bit exasperated by it, like you can ask
me anything but that. But then it was also Clinton, who you know, working the crowd in Dublin, Ireland as you remember, actually brought up a letter he had received from a young boy from Ireland about when are they going to tell us the truth about Roswell and he lamented that the problem then as well, that they tell me it was a weather balloon, but frankly, I don't know what it was. They won't tell me. Yeah.
So, and that, as we know, has been the case with I believe all the presidents from Truman who served in that capacity back at the time of the end of nineteen forty seven, right off, for the president president that the president is not albeit commander in chief, is not looked at as
being within the military loop and they're walking the street. They're a civilian in four to eight years, so they they obviously under position of need to know, and for whatever reason, the subject of UFOs is not considered within their purview. Another amazing thing during this period of time was when the fifty eight Versary happened for Roswell and the parade and everything out in Roswell, and Time magazine had a special issue on Roswell with that famous alien picture on the cover
cover. Steve Yes, this is amazing a poll that they did at the time, and their poll said eighty percent of Americans think that the government at that time was hiding knowledge of eighteen life. And I don't know that that number has ever reached its high on some of these bigger official polls as it did at that time. Well, and you had mentioned ABC Nightline with Ted Compell on the fiftieth anniversary when they focused on a topic of Roswell and they'd
had a call in survey which they announced results the very next evening. It was eighty three percent. Wow. So it was in that same ballpark. So as we've been discussing, you know, President Bill Clinton, we could also add former President Jimmy Carter. We've mentioned the late Congressman Stephen Schiff. We could also mention the late Senator former presidential candidate, former Brigadier General Barry Goldwater. And we could also mention the former governor of New Mexico, Bill
Richardson. And I feel I'm a very good company because they would all voice and express their concern that they could not get the answers about what really happened in Roswell in nineteen forty seven, that none of them were able to get to the bottom of what actually crashed back at that time. So we're talking right up to the Oval office. So for any reporter to be so smug as to say, well, the government, well, the government is speaking
out of both sides of their mouths. The Pentagon tells us one thing, but then the president says, well I can't get the answers. Well doesn't that, you know, define the very term cover up? Right? If the president can't get the answers, well, I guess it is still being covered up. That's all we have, that's all we are acknowledging. And if that's the case, our investigation continues until we come to a final resolution. Yeah. Lately, probably just because I've been talking with people about various
crash cases and stuff like that. You know, the Frank Scully has come up quite a bit. Who was then a memo? Yes, right, well, and he was the genesis of a lot of different Yeah, and with the Hottle memo of a lot of crash cases and crash rumors. But that's what's great about Roswell because there's a lot of doubt shed on on Frank Scoli, which I've reviewed on that the show I had James Moseley on. We talked about that, yeah, last week. But Roswell not like that.
Roswell came became popular much later. And the guy who really the first witness to come forward was the military intelligence Air Force intelligence officer who saw the material precisely, precisely, Major Jesse Marcel. And if we're talking about another important factor about Roswell is this was the first atomic strike or bomb wing in the world at that time. It was a composite squadron, the Fible ninth
Bomb Group. They were selected as this composite squadron. They were the best officers, the best pilots, best crewmen, doctors, nurses, and Jesse Marcel being the head of intelligence made him the number one intelligence officer in the United States military at that time and for him thirty years after the fact. He was dying up in physema at the time and having been the Patsy, the fall guy who was ordered to pose with the substituted weather balloon wreckage in
General Ramie's office as they were coming up with explanation number two. And as Jess was always told, you know, just be a good soldier, Jesse, it's all going to come out in five years, ten years, fifteen
years, twenty years, thirty years later. And at the time he's finally you know, his days are dwindling, as he's dying of his disease, and he finally breaks his oath of secrecy, and as you mentioned, he describes how I held it right in my hand, and being familiar with all materials, both domestic and foreign, this was nothing made on this earth.
Well, what else do we need to hear? It's no different than the late Brigadier General Thomas Jefferson de Bos who was also part of that press conference, who was also photographed with his boss, General Rainey in two of the shots, testifying and signing an affidavit before he died that they were the ones who substituted the weather balloon for the actual material the bows stated the balloon part
of it was a hoax. Yeah, so we have two high ranking officers who were party to the official cover up, and it doesn't matter that they become whistleblowers, that they come clean, that they sign as the Davids, that they go on camera, and they stayed in front of the entire world. It was not a weather balloon. It was something not made on this
planet. And it still isn't enough. It still isn't enough for the press to say, maybe we need to look into this, because if we're wrong, if these witnesses are right, we're talking about the biggest story of the millennium and we can hardly go wrong trying to at least get to the bottom
of it. Yeah. One question I don't think i've asked you about Roswell, which I find fascinating, is and not a lot of people realize this these days, and I touched on it earlier, was that even though Roswell happened in forty seven, a press release went out, new stories went out. Of course, then within a day another press release comes out saying, oh, it was a mistake, it wasn't real, and then it goes
quiet. Nobody after you know, intensive UFO investigations in the fifties and the sixties, especially with my CAP and APRO and all of these people looking into UFOs, they never touched on Roswell. It didn't come out until the eighties because, as just described in the situation of Jesse Marcel, for all of
the military involved as well as the civilians involved. The military De Bos told us, for example, that right after the balloon press conference that his boss, General Raimie took him aside and said, I don't want to hear you
ever bring this up again. And that was the common scenario described to us over and over again, that they were told it was a non event, they were told it didn't happen, they were told not to ever bring it up again, and they were sworn to secrecy and within the military when you sign a non disclosure as you complete your tenure of service, or as we've had described that, they were taken into rooms and they were in groups of eight to twelve people, and they were told verbally that if you want to
wind up in Leavenworth, if you want to lose your pensions, if you want to wind up in jail for the rest of your life, you better never bring this up again and with civilians, as you know, they had to resort to physical threats, They had to threaten parents, They had to threaten parents with the deaths of their children if they should ever speak about this again and again, demonstrating the extreme measures that were resorted to by the authorities
just to ensure the cooperation of the witnesses. And that is what becomes so silly that now, after going on sixty four years, that we still have civilian people tell us that they still feel threatened, they still feel intimidated, that they still get late night phone calls reminding them about maintaining their silence about again, as something as mundane, as conventional as a weather balloon. I don't care if it was top secret back in nineteen forty seven. Officially it
was declassified in the seventies, but it was the project. The materials, I can't emphasize this enough, were still very conventional. It was still neoprene rubber weather balloons and reflective foil and wooden sticks and masking tape and strings,
that's all it was. And the notion that the very people in charge of the atomic bomb would not have been able to identify something that prosaic, something that conventional, and to the very deathbeds that they still swear that it was the very first press release which you mentioned, the actual acknowledgement that they had captured a flying saucer was still the correct one. And that's what makes Roswell so important and to me it's what still makes it the granddaddy of all UFO
cases. Yeah, because it is a matter of historic fact. It was reported to the press. They put out that press release that they had indeed captured a flying saucer, which they wouldn't put out lightly. I mean they would not. I mean, that's a very serious thing. And they realized that at the time that this is the air Force thing. We captured a fine disk. So you know, it wasn't a flip type of oh yeah, put out you know, fun thing. It was they believed that they
may had captured something. That's correct, that is correct, and it was all pre arranged. It was all stage in the sense that they had the material in hand. In fact, Washington even had the material for a full day and a half before they put out the press release and they needed they in fact, they were forced to put out that very pronouncement because it had leaked out to the press that you had so many people already speaking about the
reality of the nature that they had to they had to admit it. They had to create the straw man, and then they had to tear it down. They had to first acknowledge that they had captured something of an unusual nature, and then within five hours, well, we're sorry for all the misunderstanding, but it is nothing more than this weather balloon with this radar reflector kite. That's what confused the very people who were in charge of the atomic bomb,
as you did. For weeks leading up to Roswell, the skies were full of flying saucers. The modern age of youthology had started. And then immediately after Roswell the reports dropped down, depressedically nothing They not only had screelched Roswell, but the very phenomenon itself. Yeah, you get it. Real
sports continue. The sightings continued. Yeah, when you listen to the radio broadcast back then, because the guy said, now maybe we finally have an answer to this Sasser question that has been you know, plaguing as far as the airwaves for weeks. Right, So you can tell from those radio broadcasts because some people make the assumption that it wasn't a big deal back then.
But people were seeing a lot of stuff back then. Oh, any one of your listeners can go to the public libraries and pull out all the microfilms and pull out all the newspapers from that last week of June, that first week of July, and I think any one of them would be amazed at the banner headlines day after day about the flying dish, the flying saucers, and all the attempt that scrambles, and all the attempts by our own military
in trying to come to answers as to what was invading our airspace. Back then, we were clearly dealing with someone else's hardware. This wasn't being treated as mass hysteria, or as astronomical or as meteorological in nature. We were clearly dealing with someone else's aircraft. Why else were we trying to bring one down? Why else were pilots mounting cameras, for example, on their aircraft, their P fifty one Mustangs, for example, trying to at least capture
something on film. They were taking it very seriously, and as you mentioned, after Roswell, they went into a full scale effort to not only explain away Roswell, but all of the UFO reports at that time. They attempted to demonstrate that they were all nothing more than weather balloons. And the problem with that is yes, many UFO sightings, even in Project blue Book for the twenty years after Roswell, were explained as weather balloons. But that's at
ten thousand feet. There are a lot of conventional aircraft that at high altitude can look unusual at that distance, but when it's on the ground in front of you, as in the case of Roswell, when as Major Jesse Marcel said, I held it in my hands. If you can't recognize rubber and wood and foil at that point, I guess you need a different job. You need to get out of the military in a hurry. Letlone be in
charge of these tomic bob. Yeah. What I found interesting too, when you talked about the secrecy and just telling the Air Force officers to shut up, how effective that was. When I first interviewed Marcell Junior, I asked him about the movie. You talked about the Showtime movie and how in the movie, you know the main character Jessein Marcel's really upset that they're setting him up and everything, and he said his dad really wasn't upset. His dad
followed orders. If they said, we got to tell people it's a balloon, we got to tell people it's a balloon. It's just day, that's business. I do what I'm told. And it wasn't until later, and it's like, that's just like you had mentioned that. He was finally, Hey, you know, you guys told us to shut up and that the secret would come out eventually. And I'm almost you know, I'm in my last days and nobody's told anybody anything, and I think people got to know.
The only two people that expressed Marcel's frustration on returning back to Roswell after the weather balloon press conference were two other people who shared an adjoining office in intelligence, and that was Captain shared In Cabot and his non commissioned officer Master Sergeant Lewis Rickett, who were both counterintelligence at that time, and both of them described how Marcel came into Cabot's office the very next morning, demanding to
see the report what had transpired during his absence from Roswell while he was away at Fort Worth for this weather balloon press conference and Rickett offered to leave the room and Cabot said, no, you can stay. So he observed the exact exchange that I'm about to relate, and Cabot responded to Marcel, I don't know what you're talking about. Nothing happened while you were gone, and Marcel said, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You were out at
that ranch with me. And Marcell was then told by Cavot, if you don't like what I'm saying, you can take it up with Washington. I'm taking my orders from Washington. And Marcel reminded Kavat, my god, man, I outrank you. I'm ordering you to tell me what happened. And Cavit again said, I'm sorry, Jess, take it up with Washington. I take my orders from them. Wow, and Cabot was I think the only person in the movie who didn't allow you to use his name. I
guess, huh, that is well. We changed his name, and we also changed the name of the mortician, Glenn Dennis from the Home and we changed it as a variation on the executive producer Paul David's name. We changed it to Paul Davies Ah who is now a famous as astrobiologist that is correct who at the time we weren't aware of that, but so we changed two names, so you had Cabot was changed the Carson in the movie, and
Glenn Dennis was changed the Davies now one aspect of the movie. Just because we're a runn out of time, I want to get to this because in the magazine that should be out on the bookstores, I think right now or very soon. It's our special Rosbell issue for June and July. You wrote an article on the surviving alien, and in the movie, of course that's portrayed that. You have a lot of witnesses that have told you that one of the beings from the crash survived. Yes, and in some accounts they
describe that it was lying on the ground when they first arrived. Others describe when arriving later that they saw it walking. We have eyewitnesses who describe it being carried on a stretcher into P three Building eighty four, the B twenty nine hangar at the base at Roswell. We have others describing it, describing
it on a gurney in the base hospital where it moved. And we also in this article I describe first hand eyewitness testimony who describe taking the bodies over from the hangar to the hospital and then a sheet being pulled accidentally away and seeing that one of them indeed was alive, that the head turned and the eyes opened, and that particular witness who we describe in the article is still
emotionally affected by what he saw. It's still something that creates nightmares. He's still according to his wife, that he'll bolt up during the middle of the night and he still can't get the face out of his mind after all these years, and he becomes very emotional when he talks about it. So it had a profound effect on not only him, but the other people because so many described the childlike characteristics of Are the descriptions all similar, like the shape
and size is that they describe? What is it that they describe? The color of welkin stuff like that? And are they similar? The ashen gray color of the skin, the larger, disproportionate head to the rest of the body, the diminutive features, the slight nose, slight ears, the thin slit opening for the mouth, the larger almond shaped eyes but three and a half to four feet in height, the smaller, more spinly body, but again the childlike qualities that even for those in depth, that they seem so
serene, so peaceful, even in depth. So the alien in the movie is that pretty accurate? No? No. In fact, we insisted that even with the special effects people, that the depiction of the bodies would not be as described by the witnesses. He did not want to lead or potentially contaminate any possible This is, any witness that would come forward thereafter and describe the appearance from the movie, we'd know them not to be legitimate as a
result. Gotcha, that makes sense. That's interesting. So in the movie the alien has taken and then you know exact just when it goes into this kind of the speculation, parts of the possible I'm J twelve type of meeting responding committee, Yes, forrestall and all of that. Do you have any
witness testimony that tells you what happened to that creature? Well, the latest observation of a survivor beyond Roswell would be the account of Miriam Recruiter, who was a full Bird colonel and before he died in nineteen ninety five, he described while he was part of the War College, the class of forty seven forty eight, that they were on assignment in April, and in fact, we have the documents that proved he was at Wright Patterson Air Force Base for
an undisclosed mission April nineteen forty eight, and before he would pass away, he would describe independently to his five sons that he as well as the other members of the classmates, all high ranking officers, all lieutenant colonels and colonels present in the room when they were allowed to witness the survivor, they were told, was recovered from Roswell just that July of nineteen forty seven, just
that summer before. That's the last account we have of a survivor. Beyond that, we have rumors, we have speculation, roll counts describe how we've died shortly thereafter others that had lived into the fifties, some beyond that. But the actual last eye witness testimony we have is April of nineteen forty eight.
Gotcha. Wow? Interesting? Now, just so people know, and we'll start to talk about the conference in Kingman in a minute, but also at Roswell, the famous Roswell Anniversary event that happens every year at least into the fiftieth I think is July first to the fourth. There's a Roswell Museum downtown, a lot going on. They can see you and others speak. So people have to book their hotel rooms right now if they want to check this out, because they go quickly. But you'll be there once again at
the UFO Museum, which you're part of the board. Is that correct? Well, I'm actually an advisor to the board. I was obviousally on the board, and I guess I had a promotion because I now tell the board what to do nice. In fact, Stanton Friedman and I serve in that capacity. There was one time where we even requested the board to ask for the resignation of their own president. Wow, and they did comply. Wow.
I guess that's wielding a pretty big sword. But more importantly, the festival so often serves as an opportunity for not only the public, but also for witnesses to provide us with leads, with information that we're able to follow
up on and continue our proactive investigation of the Roswell case. And the same opportunity will present itself next weekend in Kingmen, Arizona, when I've already with numerous media outlets, I've asked for any potential witnesses with any information, with any rumors, any little tidbits of information pertaining to the alleged crash of a UFO in Kingman, Arizona in nineteen fifty three, that with this conference, that with my being in town presenting a paper, that they may possibly come
forward, and I in turn would turn it over to people in Arizona, such as the good people at Open Minds magazine for example, to follow up by I'm in Wisconsin. So it would be something that others would have to follow any such potential leads. But the conference next weekend hopefully might provide such new eyewitness testimonies and some further follow up to continue a renewed investigation on this alleged craft. And back in nineteen fifty three, now this is one that
this is a skully one also right, no, it isn't. It has it's GENESSI I can't remember right now where Kingmen. It actually started with the anonymous testimony to research or investigator longtime Muphon in that stagetter Ray Fowler right and his anonymous witness who went by the name of the Fritz Warner and sur By at firsthand testimony of an alleged crash that happened outside of Kingmen in August of
nineteen fifty three. Now, the last time I was in Kingman was in nineteen ninety five, and albeit I was only there for a weekend, no no witnesses. I was unable to find or have anyone come up with so much as a third hand witness. But in recent years the story now, and I call it a story because at the moment, that's all it is, that a few other civilian witnesses have come forward. In fact, supposedly there's even eyewitness testimony as to the possible ranch the property that this took place.
So my hope is that enough new information may be pieced together to provide some new information for follow up and something may develop. The one the great thing about Roswell is again we come back to the fact that they put out that press release that there are names, that there were photographs, that there were people names associated with the incident back in the newspapers at that time. So we had a paper trail to follow up on with Kingmen. There is
no paper trail. It's going to require people to actually step forward and to provide even again the slightest rumor of information that may initiate some follow up investigation. Yeah, I know, last time I went to write on this story, I kind of gave up because I couldn't come up with that very much, even right about so far on Kingmen. But it's something that is still
so kind of pervasive. People talk about king Men a lot, and yet if one except Roswell, as I am ninety nine percent convinced that it did happen, I then have to accept the possibility that there were other Roswell's right, that there were other crashes. I just can't otherwise it becomes so serving. And I have colleagues who, well, yes, Roswell, I accept Roswell, but nothing else happened. Well, that's faulty reasoning. That's a
false, false premise on the face of it. It's no different that I've had the colleagues who are very pro UFO when it comes to abduction research. But they will then say, but I can't accept that Roswell, you know, was a legitimate case. Well, I wouldn't remind them, as I have in the past, you can accept the egg, but you can't accept the chicken. That's false. That it's false, that's a faulty scientific approach to this, and I do not accept that. Yeah, what ought to
be a fun conference at May sixth to May ninth. People can go to Arizona UFO Signings dot com. At Arizona UFO Signings dot com that's where you can go to register sixth to the ninth. That ought to be fun. You'll be there some very interesting speakers that I'm know fairly well. Michael Stratton, Antonio hune Is from Open Minds will be there and seeing them personally.
Yes, strong presidence there. If if you have any issues with the way that we laid out your story on Roswell, you can bring that up with Antonio, take that out all on him. And then yeah, Lang Caston, who's a local author, a really nice guy, he'll be there. Atlantis Rising is what he writes for. Yes, Yes, so that ought
to be a lot of fun. Looking forward to it, and again especially looking forward to the possibility that being right there in the heart of one of the legendary UFO stories that supposedly took place, Let's again see if there's some actually witness information still available. Just like Roswell, we race with the undertaker and is just five years younger that regard. So let's hope someone comes forward. Cool, So you're going to have a busy and fun summer, it
sounds like. And again, continuing every day we work on the Roswell incident, we have more and more testimony. We have a long list of witnesses that we still have in our active files that we need to conduct further in future interviews with And again I assure your listeners, no one is testifying that this was a balloon or anything else conventional. The deathbed testimonies, as they continue to grow in intensity, are all talking about the recovery of the flying
saucer, of the little men, of the little people. And as one of them, and I keep pointing this out said to us, and I'm ended my talk in Phoenix just a month ago, as he stated, they sure weren't from Texas, right, And if there are any Roswell skeptics out there who have not read your books, then really you can't finish basing your opinion until you do that. Roswellinvestigator dot com is your website that is Correctswell? Yes, yeah, great, Well I think that's everything. Thank you
so much for being on the show again. Of course it's been fun as always my pleasure. Alehandraw. Look forward to seeing you soon. Hope you're going to be in Roswell with us again, and uh look forward to the conference and Kingman as well. Roswell. I've been I usually sometimes dreed going out there because it's so hot on the fourth of July weekend when they have their festival. But now that I live in Arizona, that's nothing, so it's no big deal. But it is a lot of fun, so you
guys can check out. You've got to remember though, there's a lot of of course fun and silliness at Roswell. It's not all completely serious stuff. But when you come into the UFO Museum you meet Don, you can tell Don it's a very serious Stan Friedman, very serious people there. Now they're witty and fun too, but of course they're very serious about their research and they're always in the museum twenty four to seven and doing multiple talks a day
there. So come check us out at the UFO Museum in Roswell next week, ladies and gentlemen, we have a special guest, and that is David Eckhart. I'm ninety five percent sure that will have him. But if you watch Factor Fake, you know him. He's the guy who had some alleged videos of aliens in his house and says him and his wife have visitations.
And so this is gonna be a lot of fun talking to him because just like with Factor Fake, you know, it was more about him being a credible person, and they thought, man, I don't know that this guy is making this stuff up. He seems like he's a real delio. So we will talk to him about his videos and his experiences and that will be a lot of fun. I'm very interested in speaking with him, and he seems like a really nice guy, so this should be a great show.
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